sk-discussion

[candid kayak]

but it's there

[fair shoal]

well yeah i guess

[stable plume]

There is gameplay, you play as frisk, going thru the underground, either sparing people or killing all of them, to make it out of the underground from the barrier that sealed all the monsters underground

Thats like the basic idea of it

[hexed sigil]

Ohhhh

It's like mother 3

[stable plume]

This is off topic now so imma just stop :p

[hexed sigil]

I get it now

[verbal steeple]

i no-hit shakra at 1 mask

[candid kayak]

eh it's fine

[hexed sigil]

It's fine for off topic to happen in sk discussion I'm very sure zal and mods said it

[candid kayak]

nice

[verbal steeple]

this is such a fun fight

[hexed sigil]

like the rules about off topic is kinda bendy

And speaking of bendy

[stable plume]

Wait yall get hit by shakra? Her moves are so predictable

[verbal steeple]

bendy the ink machine?

[fair shoal]

guys i beat coral tower yesterday and it legit took me 3 hours

[hexed sigil]

The bendy and the ink machine is getting a new sequel

[candid kayak]

[fair shoal]

it was torture

[stable plume]

holy hell vro

[candid kayak]

I found coral tower to be by far the easiest of the hearts

[stable plume]

ever heard of the architect crest?

[verbal steeple]

shakra is really fast. and i love the fight because of that

[fair shoal]

i used wanderer oops

[stable plume]

spam curvesickles and tacks

[verbal steeple]

oh. ew.

[strong moat]

grimm troupe and godhome

[verbal steeple]

mf talks about "oh you guys get hit by shakra?" and he uses architect crest

[stable plume]

its usually a last resort

[candid kayak]

updated my nickname

[hexed sigil]

So like is it a 2D RuneScape

[stable plume]

i use hunters half of the time

[hexed sigil]

or is it exactly like mother 3

[verbal steeple]

mf probably killed shakra in 10 seconds by spamming 120512 tools

[stable plume]

DUDE ITS A LAST RESORT.

I USE HUNTERS.

[candid kayak]

have fun running out of shards instantly

[verbal steeple]

opinion invalid

[fair shoal]

i never beat colo 3 in hk so i might be able to do it now after i got absolutely shit on in coral tower

[verbal steeple]

architect crest user detected

[stable plume]

Dream boss fights dont spend shards

[strong moat]

4000 pristine cores to use that crest for 12 seconds

[candid kayak]

I like architect, but not for tool spam

[candid kayak]

against shakra I mean lmao

[verbal steeple]

architect has a pretty nice move set

[stable plume]

I USED HUNTERRRRSSS

[candid kayak]

architect's needle attacks are very dynamic it's fun

[strong moat]

i use it for damage and plasmium overdose

[stable plume]

ARCHITECT IS A LAST RESORTTTTTTTT

[hexed sigil]

It takes 500 dollars to fire this thing for 5 seconds

Or something like that

I forgot the heavy qoute

[strong moat]

BEAST CREST BEST CREST it literally has "best" in the name

[verbal steeple]

architect as any resort is cowardly

suffer for 10 hours like a normal person

[candid kayak]

It costs four hundred thousand shell shards to fire this weapon for twelve seconds

[stable plume]

Gng is slandering me for playing a singleplayer game the way i want to 😭

[verbal steeple]

mods. send thsi guy to putrified ducts with naked crest

[exotic cedar]

What if instead of architect you used needletect

[strong moat]

my last resort is hiroshima

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/average-witch-crest-speed-kill-gif-16326558384304353968

[candid kayak]

when I equip architect I use tools about as often as I do on any other crest

[foggy fossil]

my last resort is uninstalling the game
best weapon

[candid kayak]

i.e. sometimes

[stable plume]

holy hell you guys are crazy

[verbal steeple]

my last resort is going feral

[strong moat]

average speedrunner fighting mossgrub

[foggy fossil]

same

[stable plume]

cant even use architect anymore

[candid kayak]

I use tools in moderation

[strong moat]

BEAST CREST

[verbal steeple]

we're beyond crazy

[verbal steeple]

ew. no.

[hexed sigil]

Don't tool and drive kids

[candid kayak]

architect's craft bind is a pointless novelty gimmick, fight me

[hexed sigil]

get it?

[strong moat]

[foggy fossil]

use it however you want bro

[hexed sigil]

GET THE REFERENCE OR WE ARE DHING

[exotic cedar]

True this game sucks anyway

[candid kayak]

lol

[verbal steeple]

feral as in i stop thinking and just attack

[stable plume]

then this is the same guy that probably uses the nuke build with witch

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2efKI1rzk

[candid kayak]

like when the fuck do you actually need to do this

[strong moat]

beast crest exactly

[foggy fossil]

witch is fun

[candid kayak]

aside from plasmium overdose, craft bind is not very useful

[stable plume]

so you use wanderer?

[verbal steeple]

except i do it with hunter crest and circlet

[verbal steeple]

no. hunter crest

[foggy fossil]

architect too(well when you don't spam) imo

[strong moat]

fr nuking lost lace when she is staggered is the most satisfying feeling

[candid kayak]

wanderer is like flat soda

[stable plume]

Fair, but i like spamming volts

[strong moat]

beast+circlet is actually goated tho

[verbal steeple]

i think wanderer is fine tbh

[candid kayak]

beast crest is fun

[candid kayak]

same, but it's kinda boring...

[stable plume]

This guy thinks every crest that isnt hunter is bad doesnt he

[candid kayak]

wanderer is just woefully basic

[stable plume]

Wanderer is hollow knight simulator

[verbal steeple]

said this after i said wanderer is fine btw

[strong moat]

I thought it was a bad crest until I decided to use it on clover dancers since they were shitting on me as a last resort

[verbal steeple]

i don't hate any crest. i just do it for lols

[candid kayak]

lol

[verbal steeple]

except for reaper. REAPER FUCKING SUCKS

[candid kayak]

reaper needs some kind of buff...

[stable plume]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY.

[exotic cedar]

Let's all play with witch

[strong moat]

1 full silk per orb is balanced trust

[raven tinsel]

It should deal more damage than other crests with its needle swings

[candid kayak]

the bonus silk is a half-assed compensation for its slow attack speed giving less silk per second

[orchid locust]

i love crest discussion

[candid kayak]

and the way it ends the bind effect the moment you get hit is stupid

[verbal steeple]

it should gain a speed buff when its passive is active

[verbal steeple]

just not a damage buff like beast

[candid kayak]

true

[strong moat]

attack speed?

[candid kayak]

oh my god yes

[stable plume]

Or hear me out, when you bind you jsut spawn NKG, easy as that

[verbal steeple]

also it should be like beast. where if u get hit it reduces the time of the bind. not remove it completely

[candid kayak]

TRUE

[verbal steeple]

and the silk should go DIRECTLY INTO YOUR SPOOL INSTEAD OF BALLS

[candid kayak]

^^^^^^^^

[strong moat]

fair and balanced

[candid kayak]

maaaaybe have them home in on you

[orchid locust]

Top 5 Crests

• Republic of Florence (1251 - 1569)
• Hong Kong (Present)
• Seiwa Genji
• Albania (1992 - 1998)
• Duchy of Brabant

[plucky onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-5212414221781865424

[candid kayak]

wah

[verbal steeple]

nah just straight up let them go into your spool

[stable plume]

What

[strong moat]

facts

[candid kayak]

I see.

[verbal steeple]

having it as balls is stupid imo

[candid kayak]

1.33 silk per hit

[plucky onyx]

hi guys

[orchid locust]

simply joining in on the crest discussion

[verbal steeple]

yes

[candid kayak]

flat, no silk balls

[stable plume]

1.3333333333333333333333333

[candid kayak]

anyway I'm going to bed now, goodnight everyone

[plucky onyx]

ty for Dutchy of Brabant

[stable plume]

Fool

[candid kayak]

yes?

[raven tinsel]

My favorite crest = good

Your favorite crest = bad

😼

[verbal steeple]

also maybe make it so if the passive is active, if u use a silk skill it doesn't consume silk but removes the passive fr

[strong moat]

whats ur fav then

[plucky onyx]

reaper best

[candid kayak]

ooohhh

[raven tinsel]

I was joking!

[candid kayak]

I like that idea a lot actually

[strong moat]

what time is it its 7.16pm here

[stable plume]

Thou art a foul
COWARDLY!
MAIDENLESS KNAVE

[plucky onyx]

reaper best crest

[candid kayak]

12:16 am here

[verbal steeple]

it 1:16 pm here

[strong moat]

still curious

[candid kayak]

midnight, basically

[orchid locust]

the belgian lion is a fire emblem it appears on a bunch of coats of arms

[verbal steeple]

alright gn

[sweet matrix]

CHAT I GOT MODS LESSGOOOOOOOO

[verbal steeple]

go eep

[candid kayak]

I love this idea

[orchid locust]

duchy of brabant is my favorite iteration of it cs i fw the yellow on black

[plucky onyx]

em what brabant isnt belgium?

[gloomy hill]

hi chat

[strong moat]

please dont tell me itsstakes of marika or no dbl dmg

[plucky onyx]

hi mate

[candid kayak]

it's also quite situational since you've only got a limited time window to do it

[sweet matrix]

idk what either of those are
i got hornet voice restored (for original hk voicelines)
and christmas hornet skin

[gloomy hill]

I had an exam today

[raven tinsel]

I don’t think I have a favorite yet. I’ve only used the Hunter Crest for the most part. I never really experimented with builds or crests.

I am interested in a Witch Crest (and a Beast Crest) play through!

[open narwhal]

@gloomy hill

[plucky onyx]

how did your exam go

[candid kayak]

suppose it'd be good with reaper + pale nails but like, who's using reaper in late act 3

[sweet matrix]

i dont like gameplay changing mods i only like audio and visual mods

[open narwhal]

how did orgochem go

[candid kayak]

with pale nails lmao

[gloomy hill]

@open narwhal

[strong moat]

this guy knows ball

[orchid locust]

yeah but that lion symbol is called the belgian lion

[exotic cedar]

Did you die

[candid kayak]

alright, gn

[gloomy hill]

I should have just played ultrakill or smth

[plucky onyx]

oh dat wist ik niet

[strong moat]

definitely do a beast crest one the pogo is so fun once u master it

[sweet matrix]

i now spam taunt because i need to hear "HOHO HAHA GITGUD"

[plucky onyx]

GIT GUD

[gloomy hill]

I spent the entire day studying and it was only 8 questions long 😭

[open narwhal]

wtf hates me

[plucky onyx]

ru dutch?

[gloomy hill]

no

[verbal steeple]

it could also technically be a nerf? hypothetically if you use bind and then get full silk way before it de-activates. u can use a silk skill and then potentially refill the silk u used back really fast due to the fact this new bind would also increase attack speed. so making it consume the passive when using a silk skill could technically be a nerf

[plucky onyx]

i tought so cause of your search result were dutch

[gloomy hill]

?

[plucky onyx]

it was saying (belgische leeuw)

so i tought you were dutch

[stable narwhal]

What happens if i stop clawmaiden from stopping before completing its journal entry

Am i locked out forever

[gloomy hill]

look I don't like studying for an entire day just to answer 8 questions 😭

[sweet matrix]

INSTANTLY MAXES CLAWMAIDEN JOURNAL

[smoky latch]

hi

[plucky onyx]

hi there

[smoky latch]

i just found out if you go to steam and search peak then scroll down a little you will see silksong

[open narwhal]

"an entire day" what

[stable narwhal]

Oh hell yeah

[open narwhal]

thats bare minimum gng

[gloomy hill]

bro I was studying since yesterday morning 😭

[gloomy hill]

IT WAS 8 QUESTIONS

[open narwhal]

ok so?? 😭

[gloomy hill]

even normal class tests for 10 marks have atleast 12 questions

😭

[open narwhal]

[plucky onyx]

i suppose quite big questions

[gloomy hill]

no

[fervent forge]

yo guys, im 8 hours into my 100% in 30 hours speedrun, ive completed almost everything in act 2 (except bilewater, ducts, sands), is this a good pace

[plucky onyx]

the hell

[gloomy hill]

the longest questions was "Explain Markovnikov's Rule with an example"

[sweet matrix]

CHAT RATE MY WITCH BUILD
its a hybrid of bind/needle strike/spell
injector band, flintslate, claw mirror, volt filament, pin badge

[plucky onyx]

send screenshot

[gloomy hill]

it's like 3 lines

[gloomy hill]

yeah

[hallow loom]

citadel is just lost-child-in-mall simulator

[gloomy hill]

ehhh 5/10

[fervent forge]

compass in the big 26 🙏

[sweet matrix]

how improve

[strange knot]

4/10 no circlet

[sweet matrix]

i have no sense of direction

[plucky onyx]

good build i think im using reaper

[plucky onyx]

fr true

[gloomy hill]

first off, what are you using this build for?

it seems combat centric but you have compass on

[fervent forge]

use sawtooth circlet

[gloomy hill]

second off

[sweet matrix]

it is combat centric, but im trying to get my hunters journal entries with it

[fervent forge]

and considering ur a low range user, you could go with cross stitch

[verbal steeple]

wdym??? compass is literally OP

its not AS broken as wayward compass but its still broken

[sweet matrix]

i like sharpdart.

[uneven harbor]

I have yearned for a 3rd blasphemous ever since I played the first two, I need it bad

[verbal steeple]

literally the only reason i beat radiant NGK

wayward compass is goated

and so is compass

[earnest drift]

isn't nkg one of the easier radiants

[gloomy hill]

if you want to use witch crest
red: Anything works
blue: Sawtooth, claw mirrors, multi-binder and snitch pick
yellow: Barbed Bracelet or Weighted Belt

[verbal steeple]

idk man i never beat radiant NGK lmao i was just making a joke

there's no way i could even beat radiant pure vessel

[plucky onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[orchid locust]

nightmare ging krimm

[sweet matrix]

why snitch pick?

[verbal steeple]

i think i only completed the left side of bosses in radiant

[plucky onyx]

😭

[verbal steeple]

like sisters of battle

[strange knot]

Cuz clawline is cool

[verbal steeple]

circlet better than snitch pick smh

[strange knot]

Why not both

[sweet matrix]

the reason to use clawline in combat is mostly to zoom towards the enemies to deal damage
sharpdart does that
and deals more damage
and it makes me feel cool

[earnest drift]

i love snitch pick

[strange knot]

Snitch peak*

[earnest drift]

shit pick

that's what people who don't know how to use clawline call it

[sweet matrix]

i like it and ive used it before

buti prefer sharpdart spamming

[verbal steeple]

does snitch pick work on enemies that don't drop rosaries? since it takes rosaries from the amount enemies drop

[strange knot]

Wait wtf

It doesn’t do that

[earnest drift]

it works on shell shards, and it doesn't take shards from the shard pool the enemy would usually drop

but idgaf about the farming

it's about the sweet sweet +25% dmg

[plucky onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[strange knot]

So I used snitch peak, and didn’t know anything about it😭

[verbal steeple]

doesn't snitch pick give u rosaries depending on the amount enemies drop on death????

like if u hit an enemy with snitch pick and it drops like 3 rosaries from it

[strange knot]

Maybe, idk

[gloomy hill]

more clawline damage?

[hallow loom]

are there not a single bellway in this wretched place

[verbal steeple]

when the enemy dies it drops 3 rosaries less

[verbal steeple]

do they know

[sweet matrix]

im not a huge fan of using clawline as a sharpdart main

since sharpdart just has a slightly lower dash

[verbal steeple]

bottom right

[hallow loom]

of course

[fickle sand]

what dose it do

well no i know waht ti does igt ogevooy umoney

[sweet matrix]

steal rosaries additional clawline dmg

[earnest drift]

+25% clawline damage

[strange knot]

+25% clawline dmh

[fickle sand]

i didnt know that thats cool

[earnest drift]

remember when snitch pick made clawline return 2 silk instead of 1 silk?

if it still did that, how good would it be

[verbal steeple]

probably like on par with circlet

[strange knot]

It did?

It’d be goated

[earnest drift]

yeah the extra hit used to give silk

[white quiver]

how do i get threadstorm

[exotic cedar]

Greymoor

[white quiver]

I heard it was in greymoor

[gloomy hill]

left of greymoor

[stoic frost]

i love my wanderers crest

[white quiver]

ik i did the craw arena thing but idk what to do now

[fathom echo]

Go up

[white quiver]

so i gotta go more alr

[fathom echo]

Man how do people get such buttery smooth gameplay

[verbal steeple]

i choked a bit

but man 50~ seconds is the fastest i've done shakra i think

well its more like 40~

[hallow loom]

huh, I don't remember dying before getting the cocoon, yet I lost all rosaries for some reason

[stable pilot]

Wasn't it right?

[stable narwhal]

God witch heal area feels so small at times

[verbal steeple]

yeah its right

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silk-issue-silk-issue-gif-15588893687607418966

[lean yoke]

Epic flea rescue 😎

[verbal steeple]

threadstorm is on the top of this place

[stable narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/lace-gets-shredded-lol-silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-skong-gif-17017295231270868098

[verbal steeple]

the area on the right of the bench

[stable pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-radiance-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-radiance-gif-1212652150997464963

[sweet matrix]

whats a good beast crest build

[stable narwhal]

Attempting high halls gauntlet with with witch crest alone

i think i can do it but healing is quite hard

[zinc sonnet]

I love when that happens

[lean yoke]

I just lost 600 rosaries in the stupidest way possible

[raven tinsel]

I’ve never seen her be used for that meme before, and she is actually perfect for it!

[exotic cedar]

Use anything tbh, beast is strong even without tools

Sawtooth could be good for vesticrest

Belt and dice maybe? And the others are up to you

[stable narwhal]

High halls guantlet is so long

[verbal steeple]

i should learn to use dash on right mouse button instead of c

[sweet matrix]

my dash is on f

[stable pilot]

Heal on the ground reeds

[gaunt shuttle]

what if far fields was called car fields and instead of plants it was full of cars

[strange knot]

My dash is left shift

[ionic gale]

flintslate flea brew druid's eyes magnetite dice and just shred the boss without thinking by spamming attack

[gaunt shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/iq-to-high-iq-to-high-dumbass-gif-8703840328342123411

[exotic cedar]

My dash is right click

Yes i use mouse yes im evil

[sweet matrix]

dice/belt/flintslate/fleabrew/sawtooth circlet/cross stitch/flintslate/flea brew good?

[ionic gale]

get garmond and zaza or shakra to help u

[sweet matrix]

i am too lazy to get druids eyes

[exotic cedar]

Brew isnt that useful for beast

[stable narwhal]

Trying t but i get hit too much

[exotic cedar]

Doesn't incrase attack speed that much

[zinc sonnet]

People who use mouse how do you move? I mean what do you use for going right and left, looking up and down?

[ionic gale]

u gotta cuz that's pretty important, it helps heal when u take damage

[stable pilot]

Injectors band

[stable narwhal]

Nah i want some challenge

[gaunt shuttle]

flea brew doesnt actually speed up the dps when in beast mode cus theres a speed cap to not make it too op so its kindaa useless

[ionic gale]

cogfly

[stable pilot]

Wasd probably

[strange knot]

Wasd?

[exotic cedar]

Wasd but i use w for jumping space for looking up

[stable narwhal]

This is like my 3rd playthru

[ionic gale]

then tacks or cogfly

[stable narwhal]

I heard it’s bad on witch crest? Although it might work is if i just want to heal instead of nuke

[stable pilot]

Straight pin

[stable narwhal]

Not trying to use red tools as well

[stable pilot]

Try it once

[gaunt shuttle]

The humble delvers drill and conch cutter
butnidk my pref Lol

[ionic gale]

straight pin is literally trash?!?!?!??

[stable pilot]

Exactly

[stable narwhal]

Bet

[sweet matrix]

uh

[stable pilot]

Why use op stuff when you can use straight pin

[median fractal]

I use Button 5 on my mouse

Its convenient

[stable pilot]

Y'all playing on keyboard

[zinc sonnet]

How many buttons do these people have in the mouse? Because if you dash with it, you also need to have the other controls for needolin, bind, and the other stuff

[alpine juniper]

OK GUYS THERES NO WAZY BRO

[unkempt steeple]

Druid's eye is pretty useless imo

You gotta take damage again to get on bar of silk

[median fractal]

HK is easier on kb&m change my damn mind

[stable pilot]

What do you usually play games with

[unkempt steeple]

2 masks (4 in alot of cases) for one strand of silk

[alpine juniper]

YALL TOLD ME I HAD NO TOOLS AND I WAS FAR BEHIND SO I WENT FROM MOUNT FAY AND WENT TO UNDERWORKS AND STAYED IN THERE FOR 4 HOURS AND THE ONLY TOOL I FOUND WAS A FUCKING DRILL AND NOW IM LITERALLY BACK AT THE CHAMBERS FROM UNDERWORKS THERES NO WAY CLAWLINE IS IN HERE I EXPLORED FOR A GOOD 5 HOURS IM NOT THIS BUNS DRILL IS MY ONLY TOOL RN

[sweet matrix]

dont disrespect delvers drill

[alpine juniper]

like bro what am i supposed to do

[stable pine]

Drill is great

[arctic epoch]

shops literally sell tools btw

[median fractal]

Kb&m for 2D games + MC and then Controller for 3D non-MC games

[unkempt steeple]

Only charm equivelent tool that's worse than the original charm

[stable pilot]

Then that's the easiest input method for you obviously

[stable pine]

Wanna get a hint?

[alpine juniper]

i didnt know tools existed till i made it to mount fay yk

[lean yoke]

600 rosaries down the drain 💜 I'm such an Idiot LMAO

[alpine juniper]

YES BRO

[lean yoke]

Oh well wanderers crest can wait

[unkempt steeple]

Oh the barbed bracelet too ig

[stable pilot]

That's the equivalent to overcharm

[stable pine]

You need to go to Whispering Vaults, and from there get to elevator

[stable pilot]

Also volt filament is worse than shaman

[median fractal]

That makws sense yeah but I never get why people are surprised to know you play something like HK on kb&m

[stable pilot]

Uncomfortable

[barren dew]

Hello!!!!!!!!

[verbal steeple]

tbf there is a literal crest that's meant to be shaman

[sweet matrix]

i disagree, egg of flealia.

[keen solstice]

It can wait until shellwood, you only need it for completion and to upgrade hunter crest

[unkempt steeple]

Oh true

[keen solstice]

You're meant to use shaman and volt together

[alpine juniper]

where is this at

[lean yoke]

Tbh I just really wanted to buy the simple key lmao

[stable pilot]

You can equip quick slash and shaman in hk tbf

[stable pine]

Right to the cogwork core

[keen solstice]

The simple key can be used for deep docks to get flintslate which is far more valuable than wanderer

[sweet matrix]

magnetite dice are statistically far worse than carefree melody
shaman stone is better than volt filament

[alpine juniper]

WHY THE FUCK DID I GO TO UNDERWORKS THEN? I DID CLOGWORKS BEFORE I EVEN DISCOVERED UNDERWORKS

[gloomy hill]

I also use mouse

[zinc sonnet]

Do you already defeated the boss in whispering vaults? If you did it you know who am I talking about

[stable pine]

Well, idk why you went there

[alpine juniper]

is it the duo?

[stable pilot]

Carefree melody takes 3 notches

[keen solstice]

Oh wait this is hk charms vs silksong tools I assume

[alpine juniper]

some fucker told me to go to underworks for clawline

[unkempt steeple]

Those aren't as noticeble to me imo

[stable pilot]

Yeah kidna

[stable pine]

Well, he was not wrong

[keen solstice]

It's in underworks lol

[stable pine]

You’ll get it once you get to claw line

[alpine juniper]

WHERE

[unkempt steeple]

Egg and druid's eye are worse even without looking at stats

[stable pilot]

Somewhere, you're supposed to explore

[alpine juniper]

WDYM ONCE U GET TO CLAWLINE I VE BEEN TO EVERY PLACE IN UNDERWORKS

[verbal steeple]

magnetite is worse than carefree melody in terms of what it does. but magnetite dice is still good since its a yellow slot so u basically always have it active since there's not a bunch of better yellow tools

[exotic cedar]

Its just more comfy to me tbh i mess the buttons while using keyboard

[stable pilot]

!wiki clawline

[alpine juniper]

i have been in underworks for 5 hours

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Special:Search?search=clawline

[stable pine]

Ugh, you need to defeat boss in Whispering Vault, you’ll get to the other side of underworks

Calm down

[alpine juniper]

where is Whispering vaults?

[stable pilot]

!wiki claw line

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Special:Search?search=claw+line

[hallow loom]

yikes is there no way to get the nectar thing without forking over 460 rosaries

[stable pilot]

What is it called?

[stable pine]

To the right from cogwork core

[verbal steeple]

or go through whiteward

[jade barn]

no there isnt

[unkempt steeple]

True it's basically a "no point taking off"

[sweet matrix]

agreed compared to 3 charm notches a yellow slot is far less valuable
since 3 charm notches can be strength or quickslash

[earnest drift]

hornet and lace epilogue pls

[stable narwhal]

Nope, time to kill some reeds

[alpine juniper]

why did i go to underworks then im gonna lose it dude

[sweet matrix]

like magnetite dice is goated yellow
but it would be the worst tool if it were blue

[stable pine]

You asking me?

Like I told you to go underworks

[stable pilot]

Not the worst

[alpine juniper]

yed u did

[stable pine]

Huh😭

[stable pilot]

Use the fucking wiki

[strange knot]

Almost

[alpine juniper]

im not reading all this my reading comprehension is already focused to rezeros web novel

[stable pine]

I was telling you to go to Whispering Vaults gng

[stable pilot]

Egg of flealia would be worse

[unkempt steeple]

It's being saved by the blue/yellow tool separation being terrible for late game

[stable pilot]

What are you? 11

[strange knot]

Better

[stable pine]

Go to cogwork core. Go to the right side. Transition to whispering vaults

[alpine juniper]

nope

[stable pilot]

Nah

[alpine juniper]

ok ill let u know when im at cog

[strange knot]

At least it doesn’t depend on rng

[unkempt steeple]

Charm notches were better than tool slots imo

[stable pilot]

Egg of flealia would actually be good if you could use it when you aren't full hp

[solemn lotus]

BB is the best yellow tool

[gloomy hill]

Egg has uses

[lean yoke]

BB?

[strange knot]

Truth nuke

[gloomy hill]

bracelet

[stable pilot]

Overall, not only hitless bosses

[earnest drift]

no spell twister was already busted we don't need another

[lean yoke]

Ohhh barbed bracelet

[stable pine]

Check DMs

[gloomy hill]

shaman crest uses it

[earnest drift]

volt filament should've had a downside

[stable pilot]

Yeah but dice would be better overall

[sweet matrix]

only if youre good at the game

[gloomy hill]

uh no it wouldn't

[stable pilot]

Yeah it would

[gloomy hill]

dice is utter dogshit

even as a yellow tool

[earnest drift]

dice is bad because you need to get hit to use it

[exotic cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003935536211296277/1451541877554941993/SHERMAAAA-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[stable pilot]

Same reason half of HK charms are bad

[fickle sand]

i used it for 8 playthroughs and never realised what it does because i never got hit ever

[earnest drift]

yes

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[zinc sonnet]

Dice is not good but since most yellow tools are crappy, it comes in handy a few times

[earnest drift]

dice is good when you're bad and bad when you're good
barbed bracelet is bad when you're bad and good when you're good

[exotic cedar]

Dice is ok belt is better though

[fickle sand]

how does the knight even roar hypothetically hes not a lion

[stable pilot]

Well unbreakable heart is good

[fickle sand]

i use perfectly time quadrilaterla dash cancels so belt is worthless

[earnest drift]

it's not good if you have enough skill

[sweet matrix]

only if you dont suck at the game
if youre trash (like me) then bb isnt good

[feral spindle]

He does the simplest thing he just says "ror"

[keen solstice]

Dice is good when you plan to faceroll every boss with beast

[stable pilot]

Its good for most people
Other charms that involve getting hit are pretty bad

Heart isn't

[gloomy hill]

bracele=/= belt

[foggy fossil]

it's okay when you're good
since you don't lose anything from having it equipped nor does it hinder you in any way

[stable pilot]

Thorns, all lifeblood charms

[sweet matrix]

oh wait i wasnt thinkin straight'

[stable pilot]

Grubsong

Stalwart

[alpine juniper]

can i grab this

[stable pilot]

Quick and deep focus

[unkempt steeple]

Dice is good becuse most yellow tools suck and it haa no draw backs so it's no very good on its own, only by comparission

[pallid flare]

dice is not necessarily bad since it only takes up a yellow slot with no ill effects

[stable pilot]

Not yet

[earnest drift]

heart is still not good because you need to get hit 9 times without healing to use it

[exotic cedar]

Bro is behind the bars

[alpine juniper]

fuck

[foggy fossil]

quick focus is not bad

[stable pilot]

Saved my life in every pantheon

[strange knot]

Go around

[stable pine]

Did you find the way?

[stable pilot]

It's 3 charm notches

[exotic cedar]

Heart saved me in p5

[foggy fossil]

also grubsong

[pallid flare]

on the other hand, barbed barcelet does just make you take 2 times damage for 25% more damage, which is categorically horrible unless you dont get hit

[foggy fossil]

and?
it's very effective

[exotic cedar]

I had 2 hp left after i killed pv, without heart i would have died

[stable pilot]

It's 3 charm notches

[alpine juniper]

im still getting to cog works als oi dont have compass so idk how to use my map

[strange knot]

Nocli.. strength saved me in p5 yeah

[foggy fossil]

i don't understand the problem here

[stable pilot]

Its way too much

If it was 2 it'd be good

[foggy fossil]

no it's not
if it was 2 notches it'd be waaaay broken

[pallid flare]

quick focus costs as much as (fragile) strength while providing nowhere near equivalent power

[stable pilot]

Normally quick focus doesn't even make a difference

[pallid flare]

no wait, isnt it one notch more expensive?

[stable pilot]

It's 3

[pallid flare]

nevermind it's the same cost

if you compare it to other charms, quick focus just isnt that good

[foggy fossil]

33% decrease isn't noticable?
yea right

[alpine juniper]

opel

[stable pilot]

When you actually know how to heal

[alpine juniper]

i am here where now

[stable pilot]

It's pretty much useless

[stable pilot]

Listen

[alpine juniper]

listne up barou

[stable pilot]

If you already didn't

[foggy fossil]

not really

[alpine juniper]

i did like 3 times

[pallid flare]

quick focus makes healing 0.3s faster

[sage glade]

yes, press q to extend your arm

[stable pilot]

You usually heal during staggers

[alpine juniper]

that works?

[pallid flare]

yeah

[alpine juniper]

but from that far?

[stable pilot]

So it doesn't make a difference

Could be decent in absrad

[pallid flare]

I wanna remind you, strength increases damage by 50%!!

[stable pilot]

But you'd have to sacrifice either shaman

Strength or quick slash

[pallid flare]

same cost

[stable pilot]

Could be decent in PV

[alpine juniper]

wow dude this place is beautifull

[stable pilot]

But you'd have to sacrifice steady

[lucid escarp]

what would happen if you would beat GMS while cursed and silk and soul complete

[verbal steeple]

aghagha i'm so addicted to this fight

[strange knot]

U just get cursed ending

[foggy fossil]

the balancing in hk is shit
just because one charm is great
doesn't mean another is bad

[lucid escarp]

hmm I would try this but I play on xbox so I cant edit saves

[pallid flare]

with the way the charm system works, yes it does

[stable pilot]

Power creep makes charms bad

[wide fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-silksong-absolute-cinema-hornet-absolute-cinema-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-5012008976124037910

[strange knot]

Charms suck ass

[pallid flare]

you can make this argument in silksong since all tools "cost" the same amount

[wide fiber]

and the music

[stable pilot]

Unbreakable Strength

[junior osprey]

Sea of sorrow when

[alpine juniper]

guys where do i go from here for this clawlie

[strange knot]

That’s quite the reason

[marsh spoke]

whar

[junior osprey]

Im bored i cant find any good games pls help :[

[stable pilot]

Silksong in question

[verbal steeple]

BRO

[strange knot]

Celeste, nine sols

[marsh spoke]

quick focus is really fucking good

[alpine juniper]

what bro

[junior osprey]

I 100 percented

[verbal steeple]

THAT IS THE WRONG PLACE 😭

[alpine juniper]

u guys said go to cog core

[verbal steeple]

CLAWLINE IS IN UNDERWORKS NOT FUCKING COG CORE

[marsh spoke]

its like The best survivability charm

[alpine juniper]

i was in underworks for 5 hours i couldnt find it

[strange knot]

It’s not. You need to go to vaults first

[foggy fossil]

we can make that in both tho

[stable pilot]

Heart costs one notch less and is better

[verbal steeple]

u can go through whiteward

[alpine juniper]

where is vaults

[marsh spoke]

heart is dogshit

[stable pilot]

Wayyyy better actually

[verbal steeple]

subaru did u unlock songclave

[alpine juniper]

OH UR LYING

[pallid flare]

???????? are you kidding me

[alpine juniper]

DUDE I VE HAD THIS WHITE KEY FOR LIKE 8 HOURS NOW

[verbal steeple]

???

[marsh spoke]

no i'm not

[alpine juniper]

I COULDVE SKIPPED UNDERWORKS??

[verbal steeple]

no lmao

[alpine juniper]

DIKQÖSZDKOQSKIDOQSKDLMKQSDKQSLX?CKLQSJ?NCFMLKQSJDLMQSJDQSJDQLSJDQSDQSLJDQSLDJQSLFJQSLJDQSLJDQLSFQSJLMNQSDNFQSDLQSJD

[junior osprey]

Whats 9 + 10

[verbal steeple]

whiteward lets u access a part of underworks u couldn't before

[pallid flare]

you're telling me quick focus is better than (fragile) heart while costing more and providing less value??

[alpine juniper]

i ve been to the first shrine evil

[verbal steeple]

or the vaults can do it aswell

[alpine juniper]

where do i use this white key? the gauntlet i beat in citidel?

[olive kindle]

21 can you do some for me

[unkempt steeple]

I think the individual tools are mostly better but the notch system is better than being forced to only have two blue tools

[foggy fossil]

providing less value based on??

[stable pilot]

White ward

[pallid flare]

a flat 2 hearts compared to healing 0.3s faster

[verbal steeple]

u see that brown marker i placed?

[alpine juniper]

wheres that

[verbal steeple]

go there

[alpine juniper]

i dont have compass and i dont have alot of maps

[stable pilot]

2 permanent hearts, may I remind

[verbal steeple]

do u have the map to the citdel

[strange knot]

Charms balancing suck ass. Everyone uses 8 charms when there is ~30 in the game

[verbal steeple]

show me your map

[alpine juniper]

uhh i think so

[stable pilot]

Agree

[marsh spoke]

yeah because qf speeding up healing is absolutely busted while heart gives you 2 more masks that you have to care about. lifeblood heart/core is better for that purpose

[pallid flare]

not even in the slightest

[stable pilot]

You have to be kidding me

[verbal steeple]

click on citdel

[foggy fossil]

that 0.3s is more of a game changer than 2 hearts

[stable pilot]

Lifeblood heart is better than unbreakable heart?

[pallid flare]

well, this discussion highlights why the tool system is better, you don't need to give up valuable slots for utility tools, all tools have the same cost etc

[verbal steeple]

jesus christ

[stable pilot]

Are we deadass?

[pallid flare]

YEAH RIGHT????? what the hell are you guys saying

[alpine juniper]

what? i bought alot of maps dude

[olive kindle]

damn

[pallid flare]

we're talking 0.3s faster for THREE NOTCHES

[alpine juniper]

DUDE I BOUGHT ALOT OF MAPS??

[verbal steeple]

no subaru u didnt

[alpine juniper]

all i had was the citidel map when i made it to mount fay i bought the maps like yall told me to 😭

[stable pilot]

You should stop using discord for help and play on your own for a little

[verbal steeple]

listen. did u get the citdel bellway

[storm dagger]

Indeed

[alpine juniper]

the reason i ended up like this is cuz i didnt use discord

[foggy fossil]

like i said
0.3 is a game changer

[alpine juniper]

i got the slab bellway its very close

[mortal dagger]

In what universe is unbr heart better than qfocus

[verbal steeple]

no there's a citidel bellway with a place u can buy a citidel map for

[stable pilot]

No no, since you got to the citadel you asked for a step.by step guide

[pallid flare]

are we actually serious? am I getting baited

[mortal dagger]

Qfocus is top tier

[stable pilot]

In this universe

[verbal steeple]

subaru if u can somehow navigate yourself to the grand bellway shown here

[foggy fossil]

definitely not

[stable pilot]

Have y'all done pantheons?

[alpine juniper]

yeah because when i made it to mount fay i asked people how to climb and they told me i had no tools or maps so me playing alone is uh yea

[verbal steeple]

u have the cogwork heart map so u can probably like estimate where to go @alpine juniper

[storm dagger]

Yez

[pallid flare]

the fact that you can take another hit in a fight like pure vessel, where you can't heal much or even at all?

[mortal dagger]

Ive done them all hitless and all bindings too

[foggy fossil]

yes

[mortal dagger]

Qfocus is high a tier, heart is b tier

[pallid flare]

you know what

sure, whatever, I dont care

[marsh spoke]

quick focus letting you heal faster is incredible for survivability even if you dont get hit that often, because 1) you heal faster which means less time standing there vulnerable 2) opens up new healing opportunities
heart does none of that and just adds an extra 2 masks
the lifeblood ones also add extra masks but unlike heart you dont have to give an actual shit about healing them back up which means EXTRA SOUL FOR SPELLS!!!!!!!!!. the only bad thing about them is that they turn into dead notches once the lifebloods gone
all 4 charms fall off at High Level Play trademark emoji but quick focus falls off the slowest while ubheart falls off the fastest

[mortal dagger]

You can heal loads in pv with qfocus

[storm dagger]

Great use

[mortal dagger]

Okay lifeblood heart > heart is diabolical now im mixed

[verbal steeple]

anyways like i said @alpine juniper if u can somehow navigate to the grand bellway u can get another bellway and the map for the citdel

it shouldn't be hard to navigate there since u have the cog core map so u can estimate the location of it

[marsh spoke]

lifeblood heart is admittedly mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lifeblood core is the better one imo

[foggy fossil]

same i don't know about that one
but heart>qf is diabolical

[stable pilot]

Lifeblood core is also bad

[stable pilot]

It's the truth though

[verbal steeple]

joni's blessing? more like joni's shit

[foggy fossil]

it's not tho

[mortal dagger]

Lifeblood charms are just weird anyways, but qfocus is top top tier

[stable pilot]

It's 3 notches man

[wise saddle]

well duh but that's expected when they're an early game and late game charm

[alpine juniper]

where do i go from here

[stable pilot]

Right

[mortal dagger]

So is strength, so is mop, so is shaman, so is strength

[stable pilot]

<@&283547423706447872>

[foggy fossil]

longnail is early game and it's still decent

[verbal steeple]

<@&283547423706447872> eat up

[mortal dagger]

longnail is bugged iirc and thats mainly why it sucks

[stable pilot]

All of those mentioned except mop are absolutely amazing

[fickle sand]

narc...

[mortal dagger]

As if mop isnt a top 5 charm pk

[verbal steeple]

mods snap this guy's balls

[stable pilot]

It isn't at all top 5

[marsh spoke]

but like if i had a person and that person desperately begged for a survivability charm id give them quick focus and if they were lobotomised id give them lifeblood core yknow

[fickle sand]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-weenie-weeniehutjuniors-youareindeedaweenie-you-are-a-weenie-gif-12604608

[mortal dagger]

Qslash strength shaman sbody mop, whats urs?

literally the r5 build

[alpine juniper]

is this it guys

[stable pilot]

Qslash strength steady sharp shadow heart

[mortal dagger]

OH HELL
NO

[foggy fossil]

SHARP SHADOW 😭😭😭😭

[mortal dagger]

Sshadow is bottom 5 charms man

[fickle sand]

do u think if u played hollow knight once and then u played it again lobotomised would u play worse and if so do u think itd be a consistent percent worse across multiple people with lobotomies

[marsh spoke]

I LOVE SHARO SHADOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[digital lake]

SHARP SHADOW GOATED

[alpine juniper]

qslash strength sharp shadow and fury is what i use i overcharm

[marsh spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[mortal dagger]

and where the fuck is shaman?? Top 3 charm godhome, top 1 overworld

[alpine juniper]

ye sharp shadow best charm

[mortal dagger]

sshadow is buns, heart is mediocre

[strange knot]

You either hate or love sshadow

[marsh spoke]

Sharp shadow is the best charm in the game
I mean, look at it. It looks fucking awesome. It’s like a spiky thing with a black background. Fucking masterpiece. But more importantly, it’s effects. The increased dash length makes otherwise impossible bosses like watcher knights and god tamer possible to dash through. I love being able to press dash without thinking about it and guaranteeing dodge due to how comically long it is. This alone would be worth 3 notches, but I haven’t gotten to the best part. It’s free damage.
Free
Fucking
Damage
When you’re paying absolutely nothing and getting damage, you know it’s good. Some people don’t get it and complain the damage isn’t enough, but that’s why dashmaster exists. You get even more damage, for free! There’s literally no cost and you get 32 damage every time you dash through. It carried me through nightmare king Grimm because I dashed through every attack, and the fight only took me 3 and a half minutes! I love SHARO shadow!

[alpine juniper]

so guys??

[fickle sand]

sharp shadow is cool but i donty think its very good

[mortal dagger]

sshadow is fun but it undeniably is bad

[stable pilot]

Not useful for PV

I don't do hitless

[alpine juniper]

CAN WE ANSWER

[mortal dagger]

You don't understand pv AT ALL if you think shaman is bad

[alpine juniper]

oh hi kaiser

[mortal dagger]

all 3 spells are good for pv

[fickle sand]

does that look like a bellway

[foggy fossil]

you don't use Shade souls or ddarks in pv?
i understand shriek

[alpine juniper]

i already used the key

[strange knot]

Shaman, spell twister, qslash, strength, idk 5th

[stable pilot]

I use shriek and shade soul

[mortal dagger]

Ddark is the best

[fickle sand]

go explore then

[alpine juniper]

so im going to vaults right

[stable pilot]

Yeah but I dislike it

[mortal dagger]

ddark on focus
Shriek on pillars
Shade soul on triple slash

[fickle sand]

for sure!

[stable pilot]

I'm a nail guy

[mortal dagger]

That.. doesnt make the charm bad?

[alpine juniper]

ok i guess not does this still get me clawline

[stable pilot]

Shaman isn't bad at all?

[mortal dagger]

A new player doesnt use nail arts, nmg is still good

[strange knot]

Ew, non spell users

[foggy fossil]

then how is it not useful

[mortal dagger]

You literally had sshadow and heart over it

[stable pilot]

Absrad

[stable pilot]

Because I don't find it useful personally

[fickle sand]

why dont u explore & figure it out the games meant for u to play it without knowing all the answers

[strange knot]

Wut

[mortal dagger]

sshadow is bottom 5 charm for bosses

[stable pilot]

I only use spells in absrad

[alpine juniper]

last time i did that i ended up in mount fay with no tools no maps and 5 masks

[fickle sand]

soo you experienced the game as it wanted you to experience it?

[zinc sonnet]

Keep progressing , you will eventually find a zone that's part of underworks, you're going to get close to the clawline

[alpine juniper]

john can u shut the fuck up and stop tryna act deep

[mortal dagger]

And if i dont ever get hit, is heart then an F tier charm? Exactly

[stable pilot]

Worse than throns, womb, defenders, heavy, all lifebloods, all exploring charms

[fickle sand]

maybe u should just watch a playthrough if u wanna just have everything done for u

[stable pilot]

Are we for real?

[mortal dagger]

Lifebloods are not worse lol

[stable pilot]

I never said shaman was bad

[stable pilot]

Definitely are worse

[mortal dagger]

Brother its called an analogy

[foggy fossil]

core is better than sshadow

[strange knot]

The worst charm is Hiveblood def

[mortal dagger]

Lifeblood charms have 0 downside beyond cost
Sshadow is actively detrimental

[earnest drift]

joni's blessing

[fickle sand]

the honey effect is pretty though

[stable pilot]

How is it detrimental

[earnest drift]

joni's blessing is more detrimental than sharp shadow

[stable pilot]

It's a bug

[strange knot]

You don’t need to wait 10 sec for one hp

With it

[mortal dagger]

Extra dash distance = less hits (0.5x less dmg) for most cases, and when bosses are designed for base dash distance... yeah
Also enables telefragging on most bosses LOL

[foggy fossil]

other than wp, hiveblood is dogshit

[earnest drift]

you don't need to wait any amount of time for hp because you can't get any hp

[mortal dagger]

You can enjoy sshadow, but saying its good just means you dont understand bosses very well

[stable pilot]

Just learn how to use it

[mortal dagger]

0/10 bait

[alpine juniper]

none of ur business how i play my game man why are u tryna stick ur nose where it dont belong 💔

[stable pilot]

Not even bait

[mortal dagger]

Thats worse for you

[earnest drift]

sharp shadow is only useful to make the knight feel less like a sloth

[strange knot]

Joni’s blessing is good for abyss lifeblood door. Hiveblood doesn’t have any uses

[stable pilot]

?

[mortal dagger]

you dont have to be good at bosses, but dont pretend to be

[fickle sand]

because you are my enemy and i will be against you no matter what you do

[earnest drift]

by this logic, hiveblood is good to make the hive enemies passive

[stable pilot]

Never said I'm good at the game once

[mortal dagger]

Then use logic, yet you havent done so even once

[strange knot]

It does? But you never go to hive again cuz it sucks

[mortal dagger]

your argument is just 'learn to use it' like okay buddy

[stable pilot]

I am using fucking logic

[earnest drift]

grimm troupe quest?

[mortal dagger]

Respond to the reasons its bad then, 0/3 so far LMAO

[earnest drift]

and maybe you missed a grub on your first visit

[stable pilot]

What are those again

[strange knot]

Fair

[mortal dagger]

good lord scroll up

[mortal dagger]

Let me guess, you think sshadow is good on pv?

[stable pilot]

Yes

Good on all ground bosses

[mortal dagger]

Oh boy

i pray this is satire

[fickle sand]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-silksong-hollow-knight-gif-1788200368606378727

[mortal dagger]

can you explain why its good on pv?

[fickle sand]

fight fight fight

[stable pilot]

Makes dashing through him more consistent

[earnest drift]

does the sharp shadow shade dash take longer to happen than normal shade dash

[stable pilot]

The damage makes him stagger earlier too

[mortal dagger]

Have you tried just dashing later?

[stable pilot]

I get hit

[mortal dagger]

You get one less hit so he staggers equally but you do 0.5x less damage everytime you do it

[mortal dagger]

So the charm helps only if you have a major skill issue, that does not make it a good charm overall

[fickle sand]

if you were in a jar and periodically fed slices of cheese would you be upset

[strange knot]

Just pogo pv. I never shade dashed through him

[marsh spoke]

here's a charm tierlist since we're arguing about them

[stable pilot]

Where did you get 0.5x less damage

[mortal dagger]

Triple hit shade soul, on counter

[mortal dagger]

good list imo

[earnest drift]

is this an analogy

[strange knot]

Pogo at the start of attack, dash, shade soul

[fickle sand]

but i like hiveblood because it makes your masks look like honey and i really like honey

[earnest drift]

mark of pride too high

[fickle sand]

no its a hypothetical scenario

[mortal dagger]

You cannot triple hit by pogoing, try it if you want

[plucky stag]

this sort of thing is probably why team cherry put kratt into the game

[earnest drift]

mark of pride is still so overrated oml

[strange knot]

Oh. Should try to shade dash through it now

[plucky stag]

as a potshot at that side of the internet

[marsh spoke]

its Extra range

[earnest drift]

for three fracking notches

[mortal dagger]

For reference, i also pogo but shade dashing through does have uses

[marsh spoke]

25% extra range for 1 notch is great

yea 25 i mixed up the number

[fickle sand]

u guys are using percents is this boolean algebra

[earnest drift]

it's 3 notches? what

[mortal dagger]

mop is great but just overshadowed by qslash shaman strength

[earnest drift]

and in what world is mark of pride three tiers above longnail, it's only slightly better

[marsh spoke]

better hitbox

[mortal dagger]

Iirc long nails sprite is bugged so its worse than should be

[earnest drift]

mark of pride is underpowered, team cherry knew it when they made longclaw give more range for one slot

[marsh spoke]

overcharming

[mortal dagger]

Mop is great in overcharm

Only replaced by eater on a few bosses

[strange knot]

Wtf

[fickle sand]

3 messages in 10 mins and theyre all just suggestive things about hornet are u ok

make it 4

[foggy fossil]

I'd put dreamshield lower
good for nothing charm

[marsh spoke]

if youre not overcharming you want the guys above but if you do overcharm its quite Good

[earnest drift]

mark of pride is just overrated, gives like 1 or 2 extra hits every now and then while other 3 notch charms increase your dps by 50%

[marsh spoke]

yeah which is why they're Above

[mortal dagger]

It is overrated i'll admit, but its also underrated by many

5th best charm excluding fury flukes for bosses imo

[gusty wadi]

TROBBIIOOOOOO

[earnest drift]

i'd rather overcharm soul eater or even flukenest

[foggy fossil]

flukenest is very skill dependent

[gusty wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-trobbio-dramatic-death-gif-4926813514533061211

[mortal dagger]

I mean it does more than that, its less risk more than it is extra hits

[foggy fossil]

for it to be good

[mortal dagger]

Hence why its super good for hitless

[earnest drift]

every boss is designed around base nail range so it's not really necessary

[foggy fossil]

it's still less risk

[earnest drift]

if it were two notches i'd like it but three? no way

[mortal dagger]

I mean what else do you overcharm with? Eater is overkill 9/10 times

[earnest drift]

flukenest

[mortal dagger]

Its evident where high majority of r5 runs use it

[earnest drift]

strength, shaman and quick slash are also all better

[mortal dagger]

Something being better doesnt make it bad?

Qslash is also the best charm, doesnt make the rest not worth using

[earnest drift]

you know what

soul catcher > mark of pride

[indigo eagle]

Son

[earnest drift]

stop

[mortal dagger]

i mean catcher is great but no

[indigo eagle]

Son really said soul catcher

[foggy fossil]

that's stretching it

[full ledge]

Why are people talking about r5 in ss discussion

[foggy fossil]

catcher is nice

[fickle sand]

is he really your son

[indigo eagle]

no

[earnest drift]

at least soul catcher gives a flat increase to a numerical stat
mark of pride is a crutch

[mortal dagger]

i mean its often off topic so same thing really

[misty drum]

because we have to talk about anything but ss in ss general

[indigo eagle]

son im crine wdym soul catcher is better than mop

[mortal dagger]

i looked in the channel and saw hk so

[full ledge]

Hk doesn’t count

[strange knot]

It’s not sk-discussion. It’s everything-except-sk-discussion

[earnest drift]

+27% soul for 2 notches vs +25% range for 3 notches

[indigo eagle]

Ye we the hollow knight community are showing signs of insanity

[foggy fossil]

it becomes a warzone when we start talking about ss
it's always the same 3 topics

[indigo eagle]

soul ain’t allat

[full ledge]

Is one of them about lace

[fickle sand]

thats stupid that it says sk-discussion as the name for hte channel then that can be relaly confusijng

[mortal dagger]

wdym? Hk is allowed here unlike how sk isnt in hkdisc

[indigo eagle]

range IS allat

[foggy fossil]

mhm

and the other two are just dumb

[full ledge]

Yeah but like why would you want to talk about hk

[earnest drift]

i'm casting spells 27% more often

[indigo eagle]

Idk about you but I don’t need a charm to gain soul fast

[full ledge]

As if the first isn’t dumb

[earnest drift]

no matter how fast you gain soul, soul catcher will objectively make you gain more

[mortal dagger]

I looked here and saw hk topic so beats me, i dont like discussing sk

[foggy fossil]

well it is but it's alr banned

[earnest drift]

mark of pride is just a couple of extra hits
for 50% more notches than soul catcher

[full ledge]

Hornetxshakra

[indigo eagle]

You ain’t getting extra range brotatochippington

Without charms

[earnest drift]

why do you need more range

[foggy fossil]

poshanka

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-pinstress-waving-see-ya-gif-15859769634424072620

[indigo eagle]

the more the better

[earnest drift]

just get closer

[indigo eagle]

I am not even a MOP user

[alpine juniper]

U Need 550 hours of rehab

[fickle sand]

i hate pintstress so much her littel wake up is so stupid but the wave is cute i never saw this before

[earnest drift]

every boss is designed around base nail range so just get used to it

[indigo eagle]

Since all charms except shaman long nail quick slash and strength are frauds

[strange knot]

Hi

[indigo eagle]

Because HK has ass balancing

[mortal dagger]

Crazy sneak in

[pallid flume]

yooooo, stairs?

[alpine juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-subaru-stairs-gif-4501449160892633508

[strange knot]

Spell twister

[earnest drift]

who tf let longnail in

[barren dew]

Silksong fans try not to hate on a favourite character whenever I mention them challenge

[pallid flume]

peak

[full ledge]

For spending 550 hours doing something I enjoy spread out over 3 years?

[foggy fossil]

not really the greatest with mawlek
or soul tyrant

[indigo eagle]

ReZero is peak but damn the community sucks

[strange knot]

Spell twister is the best charm ever

[fickle sand]

she is so not a favorite character, and i said a compliment too!

[worldly valve]

I like her

[marsh spoke]

every boss is designed around charmless stop playing with charms

[indigo eagle]

Ye

[mortal dagger]

Every boss is designed to be done hitless too

[barren dew]

She is my favourite character but I appreciate the compliment 💔

[earnest drift]

my favourites are strength, quick slash, soul catcher, soul eater, spell twister, shaman stone, and nailmaster's glory
everything else smells funny

[verbal steeple]

39 seconds to beat shakra. this is a new high

[indigo eagle]

Every game is designed to be not played so do not play trash stupid kids games like Midlow Knight

[earnest drift]

nailmaster's glory is iffy because strength doesn't stack with arts

[worldly valve]

defenders crest smells really funny

[fickle sand]

doesnt her wake up make u mad just a little though why does she sleep so much why doesnt she talk to her seamstress friend isnt she worried about them a little

[verbal steeple]

nailmaster's glory should increase art damage and strength should increase it even FURTHER

[mortal dagger]

nmg just fits is nicely with a 10 notch build for the most part.
Still great though

[worldly valve]

to be fair nail arts still so like 50 damage a pop being able to spam them really isn't bad

[pallid flume]

bet nobody here can guess my fav charm

[verbal steeple]

let me one shot bosses with a charged nail

[barren dew]

Honestly it makes me laugh she is so silly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1458760130563936421/Pinstress_Wakeup_1.gif

[indigo eagle]

If you haven’t done P5AB yet you’re not valid

[earnest drift]

strength doesn't stack with nail arts because strength was busted and team cherry knew it
hence why there's no direct equivalent in silksong

[mortal dagger]

Lets raise the bar smh

[indigo eagle]

We must bring Elitism back

My best achievement is 6 hit pantheon 5 bro stop

[mortal dagger]

Oh sick gg

[worldly valve]

radiant p5 all bindings*

[marsh spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-meme-gif-11660183272536871757

[foggy fossil]

well of course
that wouldn't be any more balanced

[earnest drift]

fury of the fallen > mark of pride

[full ledge]

I did p5ab 3.5 years ago you’re late

[mortal dagger]

At how many hits does r5 become harder than p5ab

[indigo eagle]

Ok this I can agree with but only if i am in the mood

[foggy fossil]

imagine fury + strength on cyclone

[cobalt pilot]

Hey gang . Guess who stayed up all night on the eve of her first class of the semsester

[barren dew]

WHY DO YOU ALWAYS DRINK

[indigo eagle]

Son I did it 5 years ago

In 2021

[barren dew]

WHY

[full ledge]

I’m late

[lofty shell]

radiant P5 with almost all bindings except charm bindings
and for charms
you can only use stage 2 grimmchild
and you should that as your only source of damage

[unkempt steeple]

flukenest solos both of them

[cobalt pilot]

Gotta tough it out

[earnest drift]

flukenest is also better than mark of prde

[worldly valve]

it's this one officer

[alpine juniper]

WAIT DID I MAKE IT?

[barren dew]

TWIN NOOO SLEEP

[alpine juniper]

IS THIS THE VAULTS?

[cobalt pilot]

This whole fixing my sleep schedule thing. I'm about to go to sleep for a few hours dw

[orchid locust]

i was running p5ab with aurelius at the forum romanum back in 284 BCE you ain't special

[alpine juniper]

IS THIS THE VAULTS @stable pine @stable pine @stable pine

[pallid flume]

no thats underworks

[indigo eagle]

No 😭😭

[alpine juniper]

im gonna end it bro

[indigo eagle]

You’re not supposed to descend from Choral Chambers

[verbal steeple]

this isn't the vaults. but you're near where u get clawline

[barren dew]

OH OKAY GOOD LUCK THO

[cobalt pilot]

Heh . Just you wait

[earnest drift]

grimmchild > mark of pride

[indigo eagle]

Go to cogwork core and go under and to the east

[alpine juniper]

OH YES

[earnest drift]

kidding not really

[barren dew]

Gulps

[foggy fossil]

the vaults
son🥀
you don't know big WV like that