sk-discussion

[hollow abyss]

Git gud

[candid kayak]

yeah that's just player error, sorry

[pale oasis]

ur probably holding a key/button down that results in the incorrect output

[graceful oyster]

Yeah, it is

[candid kayak]

I strongly suggest exiting hunter's march

it's full of relatively strong enemies and there's almost no reason to go there, ESPECIALLY in earlygame

go left until you end up back in the marrow, then go down

[graceful oyster]

Are you playing on a controller by chance

[candid kayak]

they said keyboard earlier

[graceful oyster]

Okay

[light swan]

oh i get the problem

[grizzled sierra]

didn’t see hornet turn at all

[light swan]

youre sitll holding left 😭

[candid kayak]

mm ok

[pale oasis]

ok wait can someone answer my question tho instead of arguing abt hunters march pogo sry

[candid kayak]

btw you can kinda pogo INSIDE of those things btw

[hollow abyss]

Ur just coping. It was your fault

[candid kayak]

like you can pogo at point blank range

[graceful oyster]

It's like dreamnail

[delicate ice]

Is this actually hard for anyone. Actually just curious cause I thought this was easy you just gotta control how far you push your joystick and such (on controller at least)

[light swan]

oh wait

i get it again

[candid kayak]

do you have drifter's cloak at least

[candid kayak]

try using that between each pogo to position yourself better before pressing the attack button

to give yourself time to reposition and turn around

<@&283547423706447872> MORE FREE MONEY

[native canyon]

FREE MONEY

[light swan]

hornet doesnt turn around while backflipping until the backflip si over

[candid kayak]

mm

[light swan]

this is the first time im hearing anyone complain about that so like i feel like its just you whos complaining

[candid kayak]

yeah

[light swan]

clearer demonstration of what theyre talking about

[candid kayak]

yeah they do

[light swan]

hunters crest is probably the most used crest

[full rune]

MORE MONEY

[candid kayak]

I LOVE FREE MONEY

[rough quiver]

Bruh

[full rune]

and MORE money

[grizzled sierra]

more free money

[candid kayak]

lmao

[graceful oyster]

[light swan]

😔

idk what to say anymore

are we playing the same game

[foggy fossil]

you should open a bank with all this free cash

[light swan]

are we in the same community

[grizzled sierra]

is that all of the free money

[candid kayak]

reaper is um
the worst crest in the game btw

[exotic cedar]

I got used to the hunter pogo right in the start of the game

Its not that hard

[light swan]

reaper is the most hated crest

[exotic cedar]

Didn't even struggle with it

[rough quiver]

It’s fun

[candid kayak]

it's extremely slow and has almost nothing working in its favor

[light swan]

anyway you can still pogo the other way it takes 1 extra braincell

[foggy fossil]

I've seen more wanderer hate but reaper is second most

[foggy fossil]

same

[exotic cedar]

I don't hate reaper, i just hate the people who say it's the best crest

[light swan]

wanderer hate only recently started happening and its pretty much only in this chanel

[orchid locust]

i've been clicking on every single free money link sent in this server and i currently have 181.28 million dollars

[candid kayak]

what about wanderer

[foggy fossil]

i see wanderer hate ALOT on tiktok

[light swan]

nvm then

[grizzled sierra]

the knight is the roaring knight

[candid kayak]

wanderer hate is a shitpost

no voice to roar

[exotic cedar]

I don't hate wanderer but i think it's kinda boring to use

[candid kayak]

agreed

[feral basin]

What is the first?

[light swan]

i think its super fun

[exotic cedar]

People say it makes silksong "way too easy"

[grizzled sierra]

but we never saw them in the same room also their shade can sing

[exotic cedar]

And basically they say "go back to hk"

[candid kayak]

it's fast, and it has a very clean pogo

[exotic cedar]

I enjoy witch the most

[candid kayak]

I don't like the sprint attack or needle strike of wanderer

[exotic cedar]

Same

[candid kayak]

ironically they're both slow

on the "fast crest"

[light swan]

reminder that wanderer is stupid but i still love wanderer

[misty drum]

gl Imma be happier when steel assasins dlc releases than when the actual silksong did

[candid kayak]

wanderer is just very basic

[grizzled sierra]

sea of sorrow tomorrow

[foggy fossil]

wanderer vro

[light swan]

rdac chaining is only barely faster than wanderer spam which is really annoying

[misty drum]

steel assasins dlc gonna be PEAK

[foggy fossil]

i enjoy hunter and architect(without spamming)

[feral basin]

Oh

[exotic cedar]

Just use needletect

[strange knot]

Chat, my 148 score in flea bounce didn’t saved

[light swan]

lots of people use wanderer and reaper unfortunately

[exotic cedar]

Needletect is very fun
I think reaper is good for exploring
Wanderer is uh, wanderer

[foggy fossil]

i also enjoy beast

[light swan]

also dont need to farm on architect if you don’t mindlessly spam

i’m an architect user but with no red tools and it’s very fun

[feral basin]

I personally am a shaman main

[exotic cedar]

Shaman is like very good and fun crest but too bad it's opened in the worst part of the game

[light swan]

i know people who use flintslate flea brew delvers drill architect

[candid kayak]

lmao

[strange knot]

Holy shit, shaman pogo is goated

[foggy fossil]

is this pogo only

[zealous elk]

i just did crust king khann, getting his heart was cool but it was a little underwhelming. i mean maybe make him do something with his sharp intimidating claws instead of... controlling coral

[feral basin]

[light swan]

no i did that on accident

[foggy fossil]

:0

[void moat]

i like reaper crest

[exotic cedar]

Overall my opinion about crests is that i hate them all i hate this game i hate silksong

[light swan]

wanderer and reaper are still playstyles which people enjoy

[feral basin]

[grizzled sierra]

someone call the knight

[foggy fossil]

you're so real

[light swan]

my overall opinion is that witch is cool

[subtle rain]

ARCHITECT MENTIONED

[light swan]

minutely reminder than witch pogo is crazy

[strange knot]

Hunter and witch are the best crests imo

[grizzled sierra]

how about witch heal

[zealous elk]

lowkenuinely felt like a noob when someone said no one with a functioning brain uses wanderer crest.. i've gotten too used to wanderer crest to switch 🥀

[next torrent]

quick question do yall think the dlc will have different things is youre in act 2 or 3 (or 1 even)

[exotic cedar]

My problems with the game is:
Wishes are really boring to do, esp on replays

Act 3 feels more about hype moments and aura, it's the most boring act because there's little to no exploring. Only good part about it is the hearts quests

Also im not a big fan of hk npcs and i liked how much more emotional hk was compared to silksong

[light swan]

also crazy

[zealous elk]

crest king khann

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[exotic cedar]

But silksong combat is pretty good, charm system sucked ass

[grizzled sierra]

yeah charm system sucked because there was no charms

[strange knot]

Finally someone I can agree with

[light swan]

i haven’t heard “objectively bad game design” in ages

[foggy fossil]

definitely

[strange knot]

No charm balancing*

[candid kayak]

are you still talking about spear skarr?

this guy?

[mellow lily]

what, those were in hollow knight too

[exotic cedar]

Def not tanky

[light swan]

guys this one enemy in one area sucks so the entire game sucks

[foggy fossil]

they get two shot bro 😭😭

[exotic cedar]

What is your needle brochaco

[sharp slate]

Early gsme they are

[candid kayak]

stand below them, then they'll do a dive stab attack where they sit there on the ground for ages and you can land tons of hits

[foggy fossil]

are you fighting with a stick

[candid kayak]

literally not true btw

that's not correct math

[mighty crest]

he’s tickling their armpits

[mellow lily]

search this channel and you'll find eight cases of such

[spare flare]

I BEAT SILKSONG

[candid kayak]

unupgraded needle does 5 base damage, and deals 1.2x damage against spear skarr (6 damage)
they have 75 health
that's 13 hits

[royal mason]

Why is Lost Verdania INFESTED with teleporting enemies 😭

[exotic cedar]

Lost verdania enemies suck

[spare flare]

Theres more silk oh god.

[feral basin]

Noice

[candid kayak]

your needle is dealing 6 damage per hit not 4

[spare flare]

Is hornet okay??

[candid kayak]

yes

[hoary jackal]

!!??

[exotic cedar]

And the bosses are dissapointing

[spare flare]

OH SHE HAS MORE ARMS DEAR GOD SHES BECOMING GOD

[grizzled sierra]

that’s just a tuesday

[zealous elk]

GOOD JOB !!

[coarse leaf]

easily lookable on the wiki

[spare flare]

WHAT

[sharp slate]

Spear skar has 75 health /5 15 hits

[feral basin]

[zealous elk]

fuck wrong image i'm soryyej

[spare flare]

A

[sharp slate]

Oh 20% hm

[grizzled sierra]

don’t get me started about wednesday

[sharp slate]

13 hits then

[foggy fossil]

where'd the 1.2× damage come from

[sharp slate]

They still are pretty tank imo

[spare flare]

Okay so like

1. My eye is twitching
2. Gms felt weirdly overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time.

[foggy fossil]

oh
nvm

[candid kayak]

btw you can upgrade your needle

[coarse leaf]

if it's too tough you may come back after you've freed bellhart and sharpened the needle

[sharp slate]

Don't get me wrong im not saying nerf em im just saying they are tanky

[candid kayak]

why are you even in hunter's march

[royal mason]

I cant use Witch crest anywhere

[grizzled sierra]

how else are you meant to beat her without healing

[sharp slate]

Because the game puts you there, I immediatly went there after bell beast lol

[spare flare]

I said nothing about not healing

[candid kayak]

it doesn't go anywhere, except for being a significantly harder route to swift step than just going through deep docks

[foggy fossil]

to balance out the game
they definitely don't want you to one shot an enemy later on when you upgrade your needle to max

[royal mason]

How do I beat the Lost Verdania gauntlet with Witch crest?

[candid kayak]

but they said they've beaten act 2

so they should know better

[sharp slate]

Oh sorry, nevermind then, on mobile its hard to keep up with messages one one gif/meme takes up 3/4s screen

[feral basin]

Well now.. act 3

[candid kayak]

not really

[royal mason]

They don't do anything at all

[foggy fossil]

how exactly??

[spare flare]

That definitely isnt ominous at all

[candid kayak]

just multipliers

[spare flare]

Im gonna try steel soul

[grizzled sierra]

yeah god just gets sent into the void with her child just no biggie just another wednesday

[sharp slate]

Gl!

[spiral glade]

https://youtu.be/Jl0bdLnUHYY?si=6mbqdMwTlQsq2XUw
I KNEW IT

[feral basin]

Good luck but do try to find act 3 soon

[spare flare]

I keep forgetting i dont have my abilities when i start anew

[candid kayak]

lol

[spare flare]

I will!

[feral basin]

[graceful oyster]

Mmm smoothies

[candid kayak]

roughies when

[coarse leaf]

imma try out beast steel soul again, maybe I don't throw before even getting the damn crest this time

[candid kayak]

how is that dumb

[spare flare]

Is anything different in steel soul?

[candid kayak]

not really

[foggy fossil]

you still haven't said what's horrible about it

[coarse leaf]

just a few things added

but steel soul's mostly for the challenge

[spare flare]

Alr

[candid kayak]

dead bug's purse is replaced with shell satchel (lets you hold more tool uses at once), and there's an exclusive wish

[graceful oyster]

One of the worst tools is turned into one of the best tools (dead man's purse to shell satchel)

[candid kayak]

and uhh... styx is replaced with a Creature that TAKES silkeaters and gives you rosaries for them

[spare flare]

What

[candid kayak]

it's literally the opposite

the multipliers make enemies LESS TANKY when you have fewer upgrades

[graceful oyster]

Who was the one guy who always came in here screaming and complaining about everything he saw in the game? Justin is that guy

[candid kayak]

then everything's very flat

[native canyon]

I miss averagedos...

[graceful oyster]

Averagedos yes!

[royal mason]

Lost Verdania with Witch crest is like eternal hell

[graceful oyster]

Love that fella

[candid kayak]

different enemies have different damage multipliers, so every enemy doesn't just feel the same

[graceful oyster]

Ooooh Clamity Inferno! Wow I'm swooning

[feral basin]

Real he was funny

[candid kayak]

if every enemy had 15 health and died in 3/2/2/1/1 hits, that'd be fucking boring

[strange knot]

Flea bounce down dash is kinda goated

[candid kayak]

not to mention stupid, and bad game design

[marsh spoke]

calamity infernum zzz

[spare flare]

I'm gonna go try and get act 3

[candid kayak]

good luck

[barren dew]

I'm in hell

[graceful oyster]

Terraria in general:

[native canyon]

we love world arena slop

[candid kayak]

good to know they at least have internet

[barren dew]

They might have banned discord in Egypt yall 💔💔

[graceful oyster]

Yikes

[native canyon]

what the hell why

[marsh spoke]

please dont design a video game ever

[barren dew]

RELEASE MEEEEEE

[barren dew]

Because Egypt

[graceful oyster]

Come to Alaska it's nice and warm and we have polar bear drawn sleighs

[barren dew]

We can't do anything in this country 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[native canyon]

maybe you don't need to buy everything early game

shocking idea I know

[marsh spoke]

the late game is the one that sucks

[native canyon]

trueeee

[candid kayak]

for spear skarr it's 13/9/6/5/4 hits to kill

[marsh spoke]

the early and midgame is like actually okay

[native canyon]

earlygame is fine now with the relics and the mossberries

[strange knot]

You don’t need to buy everything tho

[barren dew]

But discord is working with me on website tho

Not sure about phone

[candid kayak]

in other words, don't go to hunter's march at the start of the game unless you're very confident

[barren dew]

App i mean

[marsh spoke]

Well

[native canyon]

I mean even so that's intentional

[spare flare]

im assuming i need to beat up the last judge to unlock act 3
didnt do that yet because there was this weird thing where my screen would randomly go back while fighting her and made it WAY less playable

[candid kayak]

me when I buy "Magnetite Brooch" and equip it

[strange knot]

I didn’t buy it until act 3

[native canyon]

silksong is partially about economic exploitation so why should you be able to easily get money pre-citadel

[graceful oyster]

Time to play SKYRIM on my Limited Edition MINECRAFT Xbox One

[candid kayak]

oh dear...

assuming you aren't losing tons of rosaries by dying, you have plenty throughout the game

[umbral lagoon]

If you can reach ||hunter’s march||, the enemies there give good money

[spare flare]

i beat gms and i still havent gotten magnetite brooch

[marsh spoke]

This is big if true. This sucks for most people but it means I never have to read a medical horror story again.

[verbal steeple]

slay the princess

[native canyon]

okay now I know you're just a dumbass

[candid kayak]

also remember to not buy trash items like most of jubilana's wares until you have nothing else left to spend rosaries on

[native canyon]

I'm arguing with an anti-intelluctual I hate this server

[strange knot]

The only tool you need is compas

[native canyon]

it's not even a hard concept to grasp

[candid kayak]

justin, your hairline is receding

[verbal steeple]

better than lace age discourse

[marsh spoke]

These silksong fans are so funny

[candid kayak]

stop complaining and go outside or something

[native canyon]

uh... yeah...?

[umbral lagoon]

The worker exploitation arc is a long ways away

[marsh spoke]

Yeah thats the fucking point

[native canyon]

I never said it was supposed to be fun

[candid kayak]

[graceful oyster]

If it wasn't fun at all why is Underworks my, uh.. 3rd (?) favorite region

I like environmental storytelling a lot

[native canyon]

games should be allowed to not be fun otherwise this medium will forever be held back

[strange knot]

Lets goo. Underworks lover

[umbral lagoon]

It’s one area, not a big deal

[sharp slate]

Because narravitive shouldnt hinder gameplay

[candid kayak]

again, so long as you aren't dying or wasting rosaries on junk like Spool Extender, you'll have more than enough rosaries to buy benches, bellways and the stuff you want

[graceful oyster]

Shouldn't? Says who?

[native canyon]

narrative is gameplay in this case

[sharp slate]

you can still give rosaries and have the same narrative...

[umbral lagoon]

I fight every enemy that gets in my way and that gets me enough rosaries to buy just about anything I want

[sharp slate]

fuck have a rosary chest by the last judge for example

[marsh spoke]

dont bother

I think this is the legendary "i only play games for the gameplay" crowd

[umbral lagoon]

Eventually you run out of things to buy anyway

[graceful oyster]

Hey

[sharp slate]

That isn't the point, you can have both. you dont need to sacrafice replayability for narrative reasons

[candid kayak]

you're not supposed to have enough rosaries to buy everything you see that can be bought as soon as you see it

[graceful oyster]

I do too play games for the story

[sharp slate]

no but the rosary amount is fucking horrible in this game

[candid kayak]

not really

[feral basin]

Game fun

[marsh spoke]

I know grynne thats why youre cool

[small atlas]

Hi um, how can I defeat ||trobbio||?

[native canyon]

the rosary amount is fine rn imo

[sharp slate]

the amount of rosaries you get from wishes is not even enough to complete the wish donation quests, let that sink in

[umbral lagoon]

How many enemies do you fight on average

[sharp slate]

all the rosaries you earn, dont even pay for progression fully

[candid kayak]

I think the only time I grinded for rosaries was when I was doing the speed completion achievement

[umbral lagoon]

Like do you usually run or do you fight them

[marsh spoke]

literally only problem is the lack of a colosseum in act 3 to get more rosaries faster

[candid kayak]

you don't HAVE to spend rosaries on every bench you encounter btw

[sharp slate]

I had to do it both in my first playthrough and in my 100% now i use debug

[marsh spoke]

PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE TC ADD A GOD DAMN COLOSSEUM

[foggy fossil]

making them less noticeable would make getting the upgrades almost very much less rewarding

[sharp slate]

you have to spend it on the donations though THOSE ARE REQUIRED, thats what i meant by progression for wish wall

[candid kayak]

yeah that's normal

[umbral lagoon]

Wish granted, last round of first challenge is ||two savage beastflies||

[marsh spoke]

You dont need to spoiler that and yeah thats fine

[sharp slate]

Fuck even if you get ALL the colleibles and geo rocks you dont have enough rosaries to buy everything

Every single rock without losing a single rosary

[strange knot]

Not bad with full equipment

[marsh spoke]

2 savage beastflies is fine

[candid kayak]

you're not supposed to be able to buy all that stuff right away

[sharp slate]

not to mention 1/2 rosary rocks them money full into spikes

[candid kayak]

it's a metroidvania, you can backtrack when you DO have money to spend

[strange knot]

He said “anything” tho

[umbral lagoon]

You guys should go to ||hunter’s march||

[candid kayak]

okay first thing

[umbral lagoon]

The big guys there drop 25 rosaries a pop
Hard area to go through but worth it

[sharp slate]

I just think team cherry overcorrected from hk, hk had too much money and silksong doesnt have enough

[spare flare]

I JUST DIED IN THE MOST EMBARRASING WAY EVER LOL
I LITERALLY DASHED RIGHT INTO LAST JUDGE ON ONE HEART XD

[candid kayak]

right now, get 120 rosaries and buy magnetite brooch in bone bottom

then equip it

[sharp slate]

magnetite doesnt even fix the rosary problem

[feral basin]

lol

[candid kayak]

what about ones that fall towards hazards, hmm?

[strange knot]

It’s not really an embarrassing death

[sharp slate]

you get 90% rosaries anyway 10% manginite would have collected are in spikes or lava

[sharp slate]

they get destroyed by the spikes broch doesnt even get them

[foggy fossil]

honestly i didn't struggle with rosaries that much
shards are a pain for me

[strange knot]

Same

Share grind sucks

Shard*

[candid kayak]

they were for me in early playthroughs

[graceful oyster]

Shards are easy when you don't use reds

[candid kayak]

^^^

I still use red tools, but not that often

[sharp slate]

Shard quests in bone bottum are fucking horrible as well

[strange knot]

That’s why I stopped using reds

[verbal steeple]

i hate courier's rash

[sharp slate]

on replay i just cheat shards for damned quest in bone bottum

[candid kayak]

...what

[marsh spoke]

rosaries breaking on spikes is stupid. like i want to jump and kill myself to get them but the game doesnt even let me. whats the point

[candid kayak]

I always have enough shards for bone bottom's donations when those wishes show up...

[graceful oyster]

Since I don't use reds the bone bottom quests are free

[barren dew]

GIR ARE YOU HERE

[safe ore]

Rise and shine hornet rise and shine

[graceful oyster]

Hopium

[candid kayak]

red tools aren't even WORTH using that early in the game anyway

[remote tulip]

Do you guys know that theory that hornet and grimm are somehow related because they have some very similar attacks?

[feral basin]

When I did it I got there with a pixel of bar left

[safe ore]

Half life 3 tomorow

[sharp slate]

yea true, its narrative that quests are dogshit

[candid kayak]

ah yes lemme just burn through my entire fucking supply of Straight Pin to kill this weak enemy

[verbal steeple]

the magnetite brooch should:
also magnetize shards,
instantly give u the items instead of pulling them.

[candid kayak]

the pulling is way way better than gathering swarm

[verbal steeple]

you don't use straight pin to be optimal. u use it to style on enemies

[graceful oyster]

I mean sting shard is pretty crazy for arenas and bosses but I think killing something fun is more exciting than killing something fast when it comes to replays

[spare flare]

I DEFEATED THE LAST JUDGE
..after defeating gms.
lol

[candid kayak]

gathering swarm suffers from the angular homing dilemma where the geo ends up orbiting you

[sharp slate]

you are trolling right?

cruveclaw, sting shard, flintslate

[verbal steeple]

curveclaw my beloved

[spare flare]

i cant get curveclaw.

[candid kayak]

in the fucking marrow...?

[crisp heron]

if silksong had a crest which let you equip all tools then I think that the game would feature hornet as a protagonist

[spare flare]

can i get curveclaw in act 2?

[verbal steeple]

hunter's march is early game. and u can get curvesclaw there

[candid kayak]

and again, hardly worth using

[marsh spoke]

red tools mentioned

[candid kayak]

you can just hit enemies with your needle.

[crisp heron]

hush you

[verbal steeple]

its in the top room of hunter's march

[remote tulip]

Sting shard is so good imo

[candid kayak]

<@&283547423706447872> wow a new one

[verbal steeple]

if you're in act 2

<@&283547423706447872>

[stable pilot]

Reply if you see this

[candid kayak]

bonus points for originality

[verbal steeple]

Eat up mods. your slop is here

[stable pilot]

I think my discord is bugged

[spare flare]

where in there

[candid kayak]

I didn't see it :(

[marsh spoke]

its fine

[marsh ibex]

Shit man I want my parlay

[feral basin]

[strange knot]

.

[spare flare]

like

[vestal vault]

10 quids?!

[spare flare]

where at the top

[verbal steeple]

its strung up in ropes

[marsh spoke]

anything above and including straight pin is fine

[spare flare]

i'll go look

[candid kayak]

sting shards are a bit awkward to use imo

[sharp slate]

Im sorry but when the fuck do you complete the bone bottum quests before leaving the marrow lmfao

[marsh spoke]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[subtle nova]

can we all agree silksong is unnecessarily frustrating

[candid kayak]

and very easily wasted

[verbal steeple]

you SEE this top room?

[marsh spoke]

like half the bosses give you a tool or a key item

[verbal steeple]

its at the end of it

[strange knot]

Wait, phantom doesn’t give reward? And lace 2?

And fotf?

[remote tulip]

I usually throw it and if the enemy doesn't touch it I guide it to the shard

[crisp thicket]

can we all agree silk is unnecessarily song

[candid kayak]

you're still facing weak enemies around that point of the game

[rocky lotus]

Wdym

[candid kayak]

and simply hitting them with your needle is more than sufficient

[feral basin]

Phantom: parry lace 2: silk heart

[strange knot]

-# gut gud

[crisp thicket]

because it deals damage?

[verbal steeple]

curveclaw

[candid kayak]

it's also faster than grinding shards

[subtle nova]

silksong is just frustrating... had so much more fun with regular hollow knight, much better difficulty scaling

[verbal steeple]

mf u don't need to grind shard to make use of red tools

[marsh spoke]

Oh my god yeah whatever here I'll type you a list of every boss and the reward they give

[barren dew]

I can't live like this

[remote tulip]

For me it's only bile water and some bosses that are unnecessarilyfrustrating

[verbal steeple]

if you use them semi on the regular u can very much replenish enough shards naturally to just not worry about shards

[candid kayak]

the complaint here was not having enough shards for donations

[rocky lotus]

U didnt really explain tbh

[spare flare]

OOOH YOU MEAN THAT ONE

[verbal steeple]

that's just a skill issue

[candid kayak]

yes

[spare flare]

i'll head over there as quickly as i can so i can get it

[rocky lotus]

Like what specifically makes it more frustrating

[umbral lagoon]

Half the time I feel like people who complain about not having enough cash or shards are just not killing enough things

[sharp slate]

"shards arent a problem for the bone bottum quests if you choose to ignore a whole ass mechanic of the game" yea sounds like good design to me

[candid kayak]

if you don't have 200 shards by the time you've defeated the bell beast, that's a skill issue

[verbal steeple]

shards are kind of stupid i think

[sharp slate]

huh??? lmfao

[verbal steeple]

but like complaning about donations is...

[umbral lagoon]

I consistently reach the shard cap earlygame and that’s WITH spending as much as I can on reds per trip

[sharp slate]

im such a trash player yall right

[candid kayak]

you know almost every enemy in the game drops shards, right?

[sharp slate]

i love people calling me trash lmfao

dumbasses

[candid kayak]

several shards

each

[verbal steeple]

except gauntlets. gauntlets should drop shards like its so stupid that they don't

[spare flare]

did anyone else feel unimaginable terror when they saw that sherma went to whiteward?

[candid kayak]

ngl, yes

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pure-vessel-hollow-knight-gif-8691405304708562462

[feral basin]

YES

[leaden delta]

I feel like there’s enough shards in the game

[remote tulip]

Yes I was mortified

[sharp slate]

yea which 1/2 of which fall into hazards, woooooooo 4 shards per enemy amazing

[verbal steeple]

got me like this

[spare flare]

like the morticians?

[strange knot]

Bell beast, Beastfly 1 & 2, second sentinel, trobbio & emo trobbio, pinstress

[sharp slate]

im just saying for early game quests at bone bottum

[verbal steeple]

there's enough shards to replenish semi-regular uses of red tools

[strange knot]

I can name more

[candid kayak]

I suppose the argument is that you could farm shards from them

but you're likely SPENDING shards in them

[leaden delta]

only time I was running low on shards was during moorwing and groal

[sharp slate]

gaunlets should drop shit like shards imo

i didnt run low on shards in my firstplaythrough, but now i actually use red tools so i do

[umbral lagoon]

Who’s using gauntlets of all things to grind shards anyway

[sharp slate]

because using red tools is fun

[candid kayak]

btw I swear one time a leaf roller in lost verdania dropped shell shards

[verbal steeple]

except farming rosaries FOR shards would be faster than using gauntlets for shard farms

[umbral lagoon]

You could just find enemies to grind rosaries and then spend those on shard bundles

[sharp slate]

This, it would be faster to farm rosaries

[candid kayak]

you can't

[verbal steeple]

gauntlets should drop shards and honestly i think that's the only complain i personally have for shards

[umbral lagoon]

Just have it drop shards so people don’t have to grind between attempts if they’re low

[sharp slate]

I just have the complaint for replayability

[umbral lagoon]

Not like there’s a narrative reason for them to not drop any

[sharp slate]

i basically need debug mod on replay

[candid kayak]

the problem is that gauntlets end up consuming shards without giving you ANY back

[strange knot]

And give my shards back when I die😭

[subtle nova]

more frustrating bosses, unnecessary difficulty like losing 2 masks on every boss, a lot of parkour sections feel like mini paths of pain while hollow knight had only white palace, difficulty scaling much worse with some difficult bosses appearing pretty fast (I hate bell beast might be skill issue) a lot of bosses have much worse and less telegraphed patterns so its hard to get consistent in them and because of lack of any kind of invincibility frames ability you get more unavoidable damage, also shorter invincibility frames often make you take 2x hit from one attack and you can't even breath a little bit. A lot of parts are difficult just for the sake of annoying difficulty instead of being fun like I experienced it in hollow knight

[sharp slate]

but apparently im " a trash player" because i dont like to farm shards

[verbal steeple]

no i don't agree with this

[foggy fossil]

i think TC made shards less obtainable so people don't just spam red tools

[verbal steeple]

the only people who spam red tools ALOT is architects

[foggy fossil]

not that it worked out anyways

[subtle nova]

overall I find silksong frustrating, I love how its much better mechanically but the frustration ruins it for me

[verbal steeple]

and that's kind of the POINT of that crest.

[sharp slate]

this, and they could have fixed it by removing architect tool bind

[rocky lotus]

The only part of this i take issue with is the telegraphing part

[marsh spoke]

Moss Mother - Doesnt need one
Bell Beast - Fucking bellway travel, 1 silk heart
Lace (Deep Docks) - Progression to Far Fields, meant to be a skill check
Fourth Chorus - Meant to be a drifter cloak tutorial for combat
Moorwing - Sure, this one could be fine with a reward, whatever
Sister Splinter - Cling Grip
Widow - The fucking needolin
Double Moss Mother - Weavelight
Great Conchflies - Needle Strike
Savage Beastfly - Beast Crest
Skull Tyrant - Heavy Rosary Necklace
Skull Tyrant again - Sure give him a reward whatever
Last Judge - Meant to be the final boss of the act, doesnt need one
Phantom - Cross Stitch
this is just the act 1 bosses btw I could go on and on

[umbral lagoon]

I use red tools a lot

[verbal steeple]

uh no. removing architect's tool bind is stupid. it is an important part of the crest

[candid kayak]

even when I use architect I don't even use red tools that much

[umbral lagoon]

A lot of flying enemies are made much easier through thrown tools

[rocky lotus]

Most bosses are pretty well telegraphed

[candid kayak]

craft bind is a novelty feature lmao

[sharp slate]

i honestly dont think it is, just give it more tool capacity boom

[verbal steeple]

maybe make it so architect's tool bind gives less tools instead of fixing all of it

[candid kayak]

...perhaps

[verbal steeple]

perhaps make it only able to repair half capacity for each tool

[marsh spoke]

what if

[subtle nova]

can we all agree beast fly was created just to be a frustrating piece of shit?

[sharp slate]

that could be a solution as well, my point is there are many things that could be used instead of shell shard system

[foggy fossil]

i don't even think the Skull tyrant rematch needs a reward tbh

[marsh spoke]

We remove the tool bind because it fucking sucks

[candid kayak]

though that makes me think of when you equip and unequip shell satchel

[sharp slate]

shell shard system just exists so players can feel good about killing enemies and getting something

[verbal steeple]

lets just remove binding tbh

[leaden delta]

ehhh no I disagree I think architect’s tool bind

I think the issue comes with everything else about tools

[rocky lotus]

Nobody is going to agree with you here

[sharp slate]

since they didnt want to give money they give shell shards

[leaden delta]

interacting with architect

[verbal steeple]

make architect give less tools from a binding

[candid kayak]

spend shards on more tools
unequip, additional tools get deleted, shards spent on them are wasted

[subtle nova]

glazing beast fly is crazy

[sharp slate]

if you fought it early it could be rough, but overall its fair

[rocky lotus]

Everyone in this channel is pretty sweaty

[foggy fossil]

it would suck ass

[verbal steeple]

infact what if u just replace the architect healing with the tool binding

[rocky lotus]

I aint glazing

[foggy fossil]

nerf tools

[rocky lotus]

Im just saying ppl here dont hate bf

[verbal steeple]

most people just use overdose on architect anyways

[marsh spoke]

1. i count 6 2. they probably dont need one anyway

[rocky lotus]

Not saying its a good boss

[spare flare]

i got curveclaw

[subtle nova]

didn't say its unfair, its just frustrating as hell and a minion spawner which is the worst type of boss, like let me fight the frickin boss not the minions

[candid kayak]

my favourite boss

[sharp slate]

i guess if you compare it to hk, you usually get and item and money

[marsh spoke]

Why is progression not a reward anyway

[foggy fossil]

abilities aren't rewards???
im crine

[candid kayak]

Beastfly

[verbal steeple]

what if architects got like only 1 tool refill for each time they sit in a bench

[marsh spoke]

Like why are we even sayign thats not a reward

[spare flare]

say, is there any way to upgrade the silkshot?

[marsh spoke]

It quite fuckign literally is

[sharp slate]

progression is a tangible object i get ingame (in my inventory)

[verbal steeple]

clawline double jump

[bitter briar]

What’s the argument rn

[verbal steeple]

i have no clue

[rocky lotus]

Did u think silksong lived up to expectations or no

[bitter briar]

I just got here

[rocky lotus]

Simply curious

[strange knot]

That’s the worst logic

[candid kayak]

moorwing's reward is access to bellhart
or if you skip it, the reward is a beast shard instead

[subtle nova]

bell eater was such a pain in ass, one of the reasons why I don't want to replay act 3

[bitter briar]

Okie

[shy plover]

Hi

[sharp slate]

false knight, key and money
hornet, core ability
mantis lords, progression money mark of pride
soul master ability, money, grub
watcher knights, money, huge story

[strange knot]

But abilities aren’t rewards

[sharp slate]

even the bosses only drop money drop alot in hk

[sharp slate]

wait what, by that metric barely any bosses have rewards

[strange knot]

Agreed😭

[verbal steeple]

needleoin allows u to access more areas and gain masks and shit

[subtle nova]

its a great game, took everything from hollow knight and expanded it but all of these sweats doing "haha beating the entire game hitless because no silksong" made team cherry think we all love when game makes us want to throw a controller across the room

[hollow crater]

If I get the ability to parry literally anything in real life after murdering someone I would consider it a big reward for my efforts

[sharp slate]

i just think giving more money/shards in skong doesnt hurt the narrative

[verbal steeple]

you don't need to get a mask shard for progression

i mean as in

[verbal steeple]

y'know i have no arguement

[strange knot]

Why tf do you need parry in real life

[foggy fossil]

even if they aren't rewards
bosses allowing giving you progression abilities should be more than enough

[candid kayak]

to block damage

duh?

[foggy fossil]

it is

[hollow crater]

to parry a car driving towards me just because I felt like doing it that day

[candid kayak]

progress is a reward

[fleet zinc]

Jump out a plane and parry the ground duh

[strange knot]

Lmao

[strange knot]

True

[foggy fossil]

ngl you're just greedy

[verbal steeple]

FUCK WTF

[quartz ravine]

10 billion rosaries to bilewater

[subtle nova]

shaman crest would be my fav if not removing ability to heal in air, like why... its not that strong even with it

[weary hatch]

Pogo on the spikes boi

[verbal steeple]

I GOT KIDNAPPED BY THE ELEVATOR WHILE DOING COURIER'S RASH AND NOW THIS WASP IS DAMAGING ME

[rocky lotus]

Well unfortunately for you they wont do anything to change it

[candid kayak]

look out it can damage you in there

[quartz ravine]

at least you're not that far

[feral basin]

[candid kayak]

AAAAAAAA

[rocky lotus]

Not trying to be mean ot anything

[strange knot]

Because crests are meant to be balanced. And then there is architect

[candid kayak]

that fucking elevator has claimed so many courier's rasher attempts

[verbal steeple]

can't believe i got kidnapped by an elevator

[barren dew]

Can't use gifs anymore!!!! I'm officially WASHED

[candid kayak]

it's far more common than you'd think

[subtle nova]

and wanderer

[sharp slate]

im honestly gonna be brutal here, most crests are balanced enough

[merry bear]

Hello

[foggy fossil]

why

[strange knot]

Wanderer is lowkey balanced

[golden karma]

n

[verbal steeple]

reaper needs a fucking rework

[candid kayak]

empowered silk skills:

[merry bear]

THEY GOT RID OF THE 10 SECOND SLOWMODE

[stable pilot]

Who's that guy that does hitless on mobile

[subtle nova]

wanderer can face tank every boss

[candid kayak]

old news...

[sharp slate]

reaper is fine, oh no it doesnt have as high of an impact, it has survivability

[stable pilot]

What's his username

[subtle nova]

ok maybe not every

[stable pilot]

Area access is good enough

[merry bear]

I know but it's been a while since I've gone on this server

[candid kayak]

also the idea is that you're supposed to be spending silk on skills, NOT on binding

[sharp slate]

not everything needs to do 100% damage

[barren dew]

Discord is banned in my country now i think 💔 (I'm rn using the website which seems to work normally)

[merry bear]

Well. "A while"

[strange knot]

Reaper is balanced because it has bad performance but easy to use

[fleet zinc]

Every crest is balanced in my opinion. Architect is broken, sure, but you also need like 100000 shards to use it. Beast crest is usually trash but insane when you learn to use it properly

[candid kayak]

reaper isn't great but it's usable

[stable pilot]

Virtual Private Network

[foggy fossil]

oh shit
maybe try a vpn?
idk

[candid kayak]

wtf

yes it is

[stable pilot]

Yes it is

[subtle nova]

reaper is good imo, great pogo and range, the only real disadvantage is attacking upward and attack speed

[barren dew]

I actually never tried vpns tbh

[stable pilot]

What's that guy username that does hitless on mobile I need to ping him

Horrid sentence holy

[strange knot]

Attack upwards isn’t even bad. How are yall missing it

[subtle nova]

somebody pls buy him a mobile controller

[stable pilot]

I need to know If he bought skong or not

[subtle nova]

weird hitbox compared to other, takes a while to get used

[graceful oyster]

Lurienian

[sharp slate]

i honestly really like reapers design, maybe im the only one though because its a low skill floor crest thats avaible early to assist the player

[fleet zinc]

The reason there’s so much debate about what crest is the best is because tc did an amazing job balancing them

[subtle nova]

Am I the only beast crest hater here? Pain in ass to get, trash pogo and can't even heal without enemies risking getting killed

[strange knot]

-# architect

[sharp slate]

and the game hasnt been on that long, most people dont know how the game works xD

[subtle nova]

so no consistent healing

[stable pilot]

Yeah the one with the cat pfp ty

[rocky lotus]

Beast is quite divisive

[subtle nova]

maybe its my skill issue with beast crest idk

[fleet zinc]

Yeah but also shards lol

[rocky lotus]

Its not bad its just hard

[strange knot]

Chat, can we rate crests on how fun they are to use?

[subtle nova]

why make your life harder if it can be easier

[graceful oyster]

Witch tops 100%

[verbal steeple]

hunter crest top 1

[subtle nova]

silksong is hard enough lmfao

[sharp slate]

beast is fine, i dont enjoy it because its annoying for hitless

[stable pilot]

@compact robin sorry for ping but have you bought skong or did you just pirate it on mobile? Pure curiosity, I'm not against piracy

[rocky lotus]

Beast is a perfectly useable and powerful crest if used properly

[rocky lotus]

Its easy if you can learn the pogo

[split cape]

The parasite hates EVERYONE bro even silkeaters

[strange knot]

Agreed

[rocky lotus]

Beast is amazing on bosses

[sharp slate]

its easy if you learn, welcome to silksong xD

[fleet zinc]

Just started my beast crest only playthrough. It’s actually pretty fun to learn by using in game progression to teach you how to use its specific playstyle. Trying to learn on a 100% save is much harder

[foggy fossil]

you literally heal by hitting enemies
how are you risking to get killed
also the pogo is subjective
it's just difficult

[rocky lotus]

But struggles in platforming sections

[void moat]

crest discourse again?

[umbral lagoon]

It’s almost like different crests fit different playstyles and different people play the game differently

[strange knot]

It never ended

[subtle nova]

while face tanking enemies you still get hit so you lose health (skill issue ik) and healing depends on the amount of enemies and stuff so its really inconsistent, you can heal 1 mask or 3 or 0

[sharp slate]

its not bad atm

[void moat]

everything comes to an end

[graceful oyster]

I'd eat

[strange knot]

Not crest discourse

[golden karma]

Crests and shipping locked to dedicated threads when

[golden karma]

It has poisonous berries in it

[graceful oyster]

Idc

[golden karma]

And also a whole maggot

[graceful oyster]

Okay

[sharp slate]

crest discussion is fine as lone as no one is being and ass, which atm it is chiil

[rocky lotus]

Shipping channel would be fire so i could block it

[foggy fossil]

beast crest pogo had the most i frames btw
from all the pogos

[strange knot]

What does “atm” means btw

[sharp slate]

at the moment

[split cape]

Im gonna post something mossed up

[stable pilot]

The most popular ship is banned

[strange knot]

Thx

[modern mist]

icl silksong's Trek of Torture will be so annoying

[stable pilot]

What's that

[modern mist]

path of pain

[worldly lake]

how much do you need to optimize to get the speedrun achievement

[stable pilot]

Nice name for it

[verbal steeple]

first time i freed this guy i thought he ruined my grand reed farm

[sharp slate]

not that much, just have a route in mind (you can even get additional nail upgrade from whispering vault pale oil)

[golden karma]

I think shipping in general is better off locked to a thread because it leads to a lot of annoying discourse and convos

[modern mist]

thx

[fleet zinc]

Very very little. I got it accidentally on my second playthrough 💀

[foggy fossil]

only 2 crest's pogos start immediately
wanderer and witch iirc

[worldly lake]

i'm trying to work out the logistics of getting speedrunner and twisted child in a single run

[void moat]

yeah because it’s also the worst ship

[subtle nova]

speedrun and steelsoul achievements left, I really don't want to...

[sharp slate]

defintely possible only need clawline to get the child

[bitter briar]

First thing I see, w

[verbal steeple]

y'know its weird that the parasite is afraid of the void

[fleet zinc]

The main roadblock for anything is just hhg

[strange knot]

Bro got 1 right

[foggy fossil]

they do NOT start immediately

[sharp slate]

hardest part will probably be the fight with gms

[candid kayak]

speed completion can be easily done in under 15 hours, out of the 30 hours you're given

[foggy fossil]

not even 1

[strange knot]

Hunter doesn’t start immediately?

[worldly lake]

(this means both achievements, which means i haven't ever practiced a cursed gms fight)

[bitter briar]

There’s like a slight windup

[stable pilot]

I see where they are coming from, but come on, she literally calls her a child

[foggy fossil]

ig it's not your play style then
but that doesn't mean it sucks

[strange knot]

<@&283547423706447872>

[bitter briar]

The two are shaman and witch

[golden karma]

So trues

[candid kayak]

they never learn...

[stable pilot]

.1 second but it's annoying

[foggy fossil]

no

[bitter briar]

Free money

[dark gyro]

im cooked

[foggy fossil]

there's like a very small windup

[bitter briar]

No more free money

[worldly lake]

wait can you get clawline before cogwork dancers

[fleet zinc]

Mods

[golden karma]

Like every other hornet ship is at least somewhat better than lacenet REGARDLESS of the child stuff

[foggy fossil]

and beast does too

[subtle nova]

I started this whole discussion with "am I the only one who doesn't like beast" so just explaining why I don't like it, not saying its bad because I suck at it

[golden karma]

Ok anyways

[bitter briar]

I don’t like hornet shipping

[fleet zinc]

Just go to songclave then whiteward

[strange knot]

What about horce?

[hollow crater]

100% one is very forgiving imo
Any% much harder but not too strict still imo

Except if you cant do high halls on 5hp and nail 2, that was what pained me the most (so I just got a dose of pale oil and solved this)

[golden karma]

Shipping isn't really my thing in general, tbh

[void moat]

horce IS lacenet

[bitter briar]

She doesn’t seem like the type of person to really like things

[foggy fossil]

oh my bad then
it's totally okay if you don't like it

[candid kayak]

careful

[golden karma]

Horce is a tuff name but doesn't change the ship itself

[subtle nova]

team cherry really said "fuck it, turn half of the map into a citadel" lmao

[candid kayak]

I prefer horse

[strange knot]

I ain’t even shipping them

[fleet zinc]

I prefer boating

[hollow crater]

Damn I keep saying nail I forget hornet uses a needle I just call everything nails

Because every problem can be solved with a hammer and nails

[void moat]

i think shipping can work in hollow knight but most every ship the community makes is horseshit

[candid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-orb-pondering-wizard-horse-plinko-plinko-gif-24381668

[ripe herald]

just started act three and i’m on bell eater

where the fuck is bell beast?

[bitter briar]

That’s what they were gonna do to coral gorge

[fair cradle]

yay

[bitter briar]

But they changed it to asscheeks citadel

[subtle nova]

can we stop sexualizing bugs in the first place pls

[golden karma]

Shipping is pretty justfied in any universe with canon couples yeah

[void moat]

shawkra? garbage, any other popular ship that i cant name? dookie

[candid kayak]

defeat bell eater first, then your question will be answered

[rocky lotus]

Groal x khann is fire

[golden karma]

Just not my thing

[bitter briar]

What is this random ass shi

[void moat]

i want funny nuanced ships, like eva x mask maker

[candid kayak]

key isn't all that useful anyway

[golden karma]

Shawkra is conceptually ok to me but it wouldn't work because shakra Dies

[stable pilot]

Wanderer's!!

[foggy fossil]

hunter, architect, reaper launch you downward

[verbal steeple]

its time for me to show this sentinel who's the best

[rocky lotus]

I only do it to piss ppl off

[candid kayak]

mmm

[strange knot]

What about khann x karmelita

[stable pilot]

Hive knight and hornet

[hollow crater]

There's no ships in this game I haven't seen a single boat yet
There's a raft technically in fleatopia

[bitter briar]

Sprintmaster swift x garmond

[verbal steeple]

is it normal to turn feral whenever i have circlet equipped

[foggy fossil]

not really
they're like really noticeable

[void moat]

just wait for sea of sorrows

[subtle nova]

spiders eat bees, not fuck them

[void moat]

S.S. karak is ready to be set out to sea

[stable pilot]

This is hollow knight

[candid kayak]

you can get into shellwood with just swift step and a key via wormways

[strange knot]

Not as noticeable but still noticeable as fuck

[bitter briar]

Yeahhhhhhhh

[golden karma]

I can't believe team cherry is adding Ships to silksong it sooo overs.

[verbal steeple]

i always do it

[bitter briar]

[sharp slate]

i cant wait till sea of sorrows then i have one more boss to fight in the pantheon 😭

[foggy fossil]

okay
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it has to have a rework tho

[bitter briar]

OMG TWO SHIPS

[subtle nova]

zote x knight romance scene when

[mighty crest]

i ship zylotol and pavo

[stable pilot]

Also hornet lived in the hive

[candid kayak]

ship them

[golden karma]

[strange knot]

[bitter briar]

W ship

[stable pilot]

I'm guessing 4 bosses

[subtle nova]

dumb ahh bees

[void moat]

zoteboat x zoteboat ❤️

[hollow crater]

Battleship minigame just to spite the speedrunners

[golden karma]

Fine pins x silver bells (The Items) still undefeated btw

[bitter briar]

Zoteoteboatoat

[void moat]

battleship as in the tabletop? Hell yeah

[stable pilot]

I ship cornifier and izelda

[subtle nova]

when zote dlc to silksong

[strange knot]

Based

[hollow crater]

Yeyeye exactly

[void moat]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sunk-my-battleship-milton-bradley-board-game-battleship-70s-gif-17219559

[golden karma]

Yoooo this ships sucks ass bro 😂

[strange knot]

Let’s ship 2 conchflies and clover dancers

[stable pilot]

Better than shawnet

I ship green prince and green prince

[subtle nova]

these ships are fire ngl

[golden karma]

What are we doing anymores maaan 😂

[hollow crater]

pollip pouch x tacks

[stable pilot]

And conchfly and conchfly

[sharp slate]

by time all dlc is released pantheons gonna be over an hour long

[strange knot]

Pollip pouch x architect

[rocky lotus]

Pollip pouch x dogshit

[sharp slate]

its already 43 minutes ish

[golden karma]

There's gonna be 6 pantheons watch

[stable pilot]

Is POF fun?

[subtle nova]

ain't no way anyone will force me to do pantheons in silksong

[strange knot]

Why do you ship dog shit with dogshit

[worldly lake]

non-optional items i think i'll need to get to optimize boss fights
-volt filament
-EVERY pale oil i can get my hands on
-wanderer crest
-pollip pouch

[hollow crater]

You clearly never stepped on Legos in your life and that will change in 3 hours

[stable pilot]

Actually very possible

[rocky lotus]

Because they relate to eachother

[golden karma]

It is yeah

[sharp slate]

if you like the mechanics of silksong you will like pantheon of pharloom imo

[golden karma]

With dlc bosses, 6 pantheons is very likely

[bitter briar]

Peak discussion

[rocky lotus]

I will strap you down in a chair and make you do it

[stable pilot]

Pof = pantheon of fiarlongo because pop = path of pain

[worldly lake]

does any of this seem unnecessary
especially since i need to do the great taste of pharloom

[stable pilot]

No way to abbreviate easily

[subtle nova]

I am a bit sociopathic but theres a limit pal

[stable pilot]

Is the boss order and bench placements fair?

[strange knot]

I think I will try to do rof(radiant pantheon of pharloom) when dlc releases. I really like silksong combat

[stable pilot]

Btw fiarlongo is the Portuguese translation to pharloom

[hollow crater]

For speedruns? I mean if you're doing 100% you have to go for it anyway, the earlier the better

[subtle nova]

can't wait to fight beastfly v2 radiant with extra health, ts will be so fun

[verbal steeple]

this was actually fun

[rocky lotus]

I dont have the mental energy to do absrad radiant

[sharp slate]

I would say so

[stable pilot]

Second sentinel be like: "oh you're not haunted mb"

[rocky lotus]

Its just not worth it

[verbal steeple]

i love his fight

[worldly lake]

nah i want to get the twisted child and speedrun achievement in a single run

[quartz ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1450220351962218507/fleapetting.webp

[crisp thicket]

what if we put void in a glass and made it a tool

[stable pilot]

What is the most unfair part?

[strange knot]

You’ll have all upgrades

[crisp thicket]

trust me

[verbal steeple]

is second sentinel a dude or a woman

[subtle nova]

ain't doing that even with these

[crisp thicket]

it's a clanka

[bitter briar]

Why did second sentinel flash us

[stable pilot]

Robot, wiki says ungendered

[subtle nova]

non binary

[strange knot]

Based on the voice, I think they are woman

[verbal steeple]

wouldn't it be binary?

[sharp slate]

im biased, i fucking hate shakra and zango, ik they arent the most bs, people will probably be annoyed by having to do one mandatory arena before khann, (arenas are included in pantheon due to limations i assume)

[crisp thicket]

no because it has no coding

[rocky lotus]

Unconfirmed iirc

[hollow crater]

oh man

[rancid stag]

wsg

[verbal steeple]

but its a robot

[subtle nova]

no, has every number besides 0 and 1

[crisp thicket]

it's powered by soul

[verbal steeple]

darn

can't even make a robot joke

welp its 1 am that's enough silksong

bye chat

[quartz ravine]

it's a non-binary robot cause it's powered by soul
as opposed to code

[strange knot]

Bye

[subtle nova]

too much of silking the song

[worldly lake]

i assume it's gonna be best if i get cursed right before the gms battle

[bitter briar]

Emotional support sherma

[worldly lake]

but from there i gotta do some planning

[crisp thicket]

why are we saying non binary instead of genderless

[bitter briar]

10 hp bro really is ralsei

[quartz ravine]

because we were making robot jokes

[rancid stag]

i'm playing cotl rn

[hollow crater]

I'm not doing those two in tandem tbh I just know I couldn't
But if you're running volt filament and cursed you can't actually cast spells right? Since they cost 4
Or am I just dumb

[subtle nova]

3v1, is that a gangsong

[strange knot]

Btw, is 148 flea bounce score fire?

Hi @rancid stag

[crisp thicket]

first we silk, then we song

[golden karma]

The robots do seem to have some programming and directive of some kind even if they are soul powered, they are all clockwork though so it's obviously not like binary code

[rancid stag]

hi sherma

[subtle nova]

I would rather beat abs rad radiant twice in a row than do ts

[hollow crater]

Not related to filament you just can't like do anything with your silk other than clawline

[crisp thicket]

but it isn't coded with 0s and 1s

[stable pilot]

I really wanted to like shakra Seth and pinstress as bosses

[rancid stag]

why tf is there an area called silk cradle?

[strange knot]

Bounce is fun tho

[golden karma]

Yeah

[worldly lake]

yeah i know
but i think i'm gonna have to spam the crap out of spells before i fight gms

[bitter briar]

Pure vessel as the roaring knight

[crisp thicket]

because Silk is in it

[bitter briar]

Nkg as jevil

[rocky lotus]

Zango is really bs tho

[subtle nova]

we have a different definition of fun then

[worldly lake]

anyways

[stable pilot]

Difficulty or what

[strange knot]

Juggle and bounce are fun as fuck

[bitter briar]

If they were deltarune characters

[crisp thicket]

watcher at the edge*

[stable pilot]

Design similarities?

[bitter briar]

Pure vessel is definitely roaring knight material

[stable pilot]

Lore similarities?

[worldly lake]

wanderer's is probably the best for finishing off bosses as quickly as possible

[quartz ravine]

then there are servitors that use runes

[bitter briar]

Pretty much

[hollow crater]

I mean it probably does help a lot, so I'd say worth the time sink

[subtle nova]

oh wait bounce, yeah bounce is easy, juggle is trash, would rather do dodge

[strange knot]

Architect:

[bitter briar]

Like if they had a place in deltarune

[rancid stag]

i lowk thought this one guy was called shawarma

[quartz ravine]

beast:

[worldly lake]

i don't have time to grind shell shards

[strange knot]

Dodge is trash more than juggle

[rancid stag]

i bow or refuse?

[mighty crest]

sherma if he was awesome

[bitter briar]

Za shawarma and za bepsi

[subtle nova]

dodge is rng so with enough attempts I can finish it, juggle is skill so must get good = bad

[rancid stag]

i bow to the bepsi

[crisp thicket]

shanga

[worldly lake]

anyways wanderer's is prolly the best for a speedrun

[strange knot]

This logic is perfect.

[foggy fossil]

why is altars of apostasy lowkey peak

[sharp slate]

not for any%/true ending% because its out of the way

[strange knot]

Hunter

[worldly lake]

easiest gauntlet, quick attack speed, and an easy pogo

[crisp thicket]

why is silk of song lowkey sea of sorrow

[subtle nova]

wanderer is the best overall imo if you aren't a tool spammer (aka grinding shards after every fight)

[worldly lake]

i'm shit at platforming with hunter

[bitter briar]

Ultra

[quartz ravine]

i prefer the world looks red but i also love altars of apostasy

[bitter briar]

Kill?

[sharp slate]

in 100% speedrun they use shamans i think at endgame

[strange knot]

Your takes are lowkey crazy

[crisp thicket]

the next dlc is probably going to be called steel suburbs honestly

[hollow crater]

Wanderer is easy to pick up tbh so I went for it in my run for the achievement

It does cost time but I'm better at wanderer than at hunter so that's why I went for it in the first place

[crisp thicket]

to keep the s

[worldly lake]

yeah

i like reaper but it is TERRIBLE for speedrunning

[strange knot]

Btw, the only crest you should get for sub 5 is evo hunter imo

[bitter briar]

Steel supercalifrigilisticexpealidocious

[subtle nova]

can't wait to fight lost groal in sea of sorrow

[hollow crater]

How many open tool slots does it need tho

[strange knot]

First evo. You don’t need anything except for needolin for that

[worldly lake]

what if i used caravan skip

[hollow crater]

I actually never visited eva but maybe it's a good strat to go for hunter evo

[subtle nova]

can we balance out yellow tools so most of them aren't useless compared to other colors

[worldly lake]

and got clawline before getting drifters cloak

[crisp thicket]

what if instead of silk song it was called song silk and instead of sea of sorrow it's called sorrow of sea

[hollow crater]

OK that's a great point lmao

[worldly lake]

it's gonna be hell but is it possible

[subtle nova]

we would song the silk

[bitter briar]

What if instead of Japanese food u were food Japanese

[strange knot]

You meant needolin?

[rocky lotus]

Maybe in dlc

[worldly lake]

nope
clawline

[sacred lion]

bro does anyone actually use the focus from hunter crest

[crisp thicket]

I would be a japanese made from food

[sacred lion]

except like speedrunners i guess

[bitter briar]

Sushi man

[strange knot]

You can’t tho

[bitter briar]

He’s made of sushi

[strange knot]

Everyone who knows how to play the game

[worldly lake]

i can't think of any instances past greymoor that requires the drifters cloak

[hollow crater]

I don't because I play like a drunk driver

[worldly lake]

i may be wrong and also stupid

[sharp slate]

even experienced players get hit

[crisp thicket]

A lot of them

[worldly lake]

between greymoor and clawline?

[subtle nova]

chat when silking the song mechanic

in some dlc

[rancid stag]

cradle climb

[bitter briar]

Chat when silksong

[strange knot]

You can get hit 1-6 times. You can reload(or how is its called) the focus

[crisp thicket]

for example

[sacred lion]

i mean technically you are always using the focus since its built into hunter crest but like youre never really gonna get its full potential cause youre bound to get hit unless ur cracked at the game or something

[crisp thicket]

there are many things

that require the drifters cloak

[foggy fossil]

love them both

[crisp thicket]

you wouldn't know because of your limited mind

[sharp slate]

ifyou get hit it resets the focus full doesnt it?

[feral harness]

Freedoms just a penubra phantasm for big shots about the world revolving