sk-discussion

[night ruin]

I see this as hornet recognizing that lace grew past the expectations placed upon her

[marsh ibex]

I’m sorry jeez

[errant orchid]

i hope every event in hk happened in like a week

[open narwhal]

wtf since when are you in main

[marsh ibex]

I just hear this brought up a lot

[plucky stag]

how is lace even able to talk to hornet from down below anyway

[fiery burrow]

That's just not what those words mean

[surreal smelt]

none taken i was just.. well ykw faire sorry

[night ruin]

To you maybe

[trail holly]

apparitions and shit

[fiery burrow]

Like idk what to say other than reading comprehension devil

[vale totem]

Can you give me your pfp PLEASE I’M THE BEGGIEST BEGGAR IN THE ENTIRETY OF BEGDOM PLEASE I’M BEGGING YOU

[lusty orchid]

Bro ppl caring this much abt some bullshit and arguing about it here all day

[plucky stag]

my headcanon is that lace isn't actually doing that; hornet is just talking to herself and using lace as an avatar to air her thoughts out

[marsh ibex]

making the silk spun forever child grow up kinda flies in the face of that type of commentary I think

[night ruin]

I wish we could be respectful 😭 you guys are hostile like someone’s paying you for it

[trail holly]

chainsawman reference

[copper hedge]

yea. silksanity

[barren dew]

DW, you can view lace as whatever you want really, as long as it isn't weird you are good

[errant orchid]

nothing better to do in the car my switch is dead 😭

[eager pelican]

uh-

[trail holly]

oh

[vale totem]

jujutsu kaisen illiteracy special grade curse lives here

[plucky stag]

in the same way a programmer would use a rubber duck to talk to it in the hopes of finding bugs

[worldly lake]

hi what's happening now

[surreal smelt]

trvke

[vale totem]

THANK YOU

[night ruin]

I think that’s exactly the point.

[barren dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333565770986426501/1411863487080300574/resize.webp

[trail holly]

WE CANT FUCKING READ!!!!!!
READ WE FUCKING CANT!!!!!!!!

[exotic cedar]

I view lace as supid

[surreal smelt]

what emotion is this supposed to imply

[fiery burrow]

"Why doesn't Shrek move past being ugly and turn into a conventionally attractive man?"

[compact robin]

Most ungrateful shittiest ragebaitest and least open minded community ever

[lusty orchid]

Nah man not talking abt u i dont think i saw u arguing about bugs

[barren dew]

I think lace is in need of education because she is stupid

[void moat]

true this would make shrek better actually

[errant orchid]

bug 🐛

[barren dew]

Joy

[night ruin]

Because shrek was always attractive.

[exotic cedar]

So true

[vale totem]

Do you think we would get a shade cloak variant for hornet in sea of sorrows

[marsh ibex]

then that’s a horrible point to make

[fiery burrow]

Shrek must be a static and poorly written character

[surreal smelt]

:]

[night ruin]

Anyways I think we should be normal about video games…

[barren dew]

:3

[mortal dagger]

its honestly not to bad when you forget that skdisc exists

[marsh ibex]

“Man I’m really struggling with my issues”
“Yeah just grow out of them”

[copper hedge]

Lace was forced to education, and graduated with high honors in the College of Silk Science

[errant orchid]

no but i want lifeblood ending

[eager pelican]

what is this chat on abou

[surreal smelt]

:3c

[indigo eagle]

Hollow Knight and Well Written Characters in same sentence

[placid citrus]

we def ain't getting another main ability

[eager pelican]

What?…

[safe ore]

Idk but I NEED THAT SHIT.

[night ruin]

To you maybe

[void moat]

she didnt graduate shit she’s stuck in middleschool

[icy crow]

Chaos over fictional game characters

[plucky stag]

i read "a husk shaped to act as a child" more like her being frustrated that she's meant to act as a forever child to gms when she desperately wants to grow up and choose her own destiny

[barren dew]

All videogames sucks hop on escape paleking simulator 😂😂😂😂

[vale totem]

We would definitely get a crest that’s for sure

[safe ore]

Shade cloak in silksong will make 100x more easier

[errant orchid]

airball of doom

[exotic cedar]

Is that real

[trail holly]

hornet is looking through her bag for spare shit as she is on one mask in a fight, and she finds the knight's cloak she looted because she's from detroit and equips it (IT COMES WITH CHARMS)

[compact robin]

Sotrue like i have seen the most vile hot takes here and in hk disc

[plucky stag]

her role is to be an eternal child and she wants to break free from that

[errant orchid]

we all on crazy cattle

[fiery burrow]

That'd make the following dialogue from Hornet nonsensical because she's assuring Lace that her life has meaning in spite of her unique creation

[placid citrus]

ye sure

[barren dew]

Very real

[compact robin]

"bro white palace sucks why is it so white"
It's in The name

[surreal smelt]

all 40 charms on the same time

[night ruin]

I see it in a similar way. The worst thing a child can do in skong antagonist’s eyes is grow up.

[trail holly]

infinitenotches mod (she spits on sharp shadow and discards it)

[exotic cedar]

• all the silksong tools

[indigo eagle]

This game doesn’t have any well written characters other than Hornet like and thats probably it the others don’t have the same depth

[night ruin]

I think it’s folly to take things hyper literal though

[mortal dagger]

the fact that people here are really adamant on arguing that someone is above the age of consent is REALLY weird and honestly warrants a hardrive search

[errant orchid]

“spell twister is a top 3 charm”
get out

[marsh ibex]

which she does
but not by physically growing up

[void moat]

well id argue hornet’s writing in silksong isnt the best

[plucky stag]

this is such a common conflict in a parent-child relationship

[barren dew]

Hello I'm slenderbug. Find my forty charms.

[surreal smelt]

yes

[lusty orchid]

I think green prince

[indigo eagle]

Who is i forget alot

[wet tulip]

exactly

[trail holly]

elderbug probably died standing btw

[plucky stag]

parents who treat their children like objects instead of humans

[night ruin]

Literally

[vale totem]

How mfs who complain about white palace’s color wants it to look like

[marsh ibex]

I agree, that’s the point

[marsh spoke]

to me lace reads as more of an unstable and abused individual forced by her mother to be a child even though she isn't. i think her story being someone inspired by someone else to strike out against their abuser and seek freedom is more interesting. i think her actully just being a forever child forever just makes her a lot less compelling

[surreal smelt]

ALWAYS BET ON FOUND VERDANIA

[plucky stag]

as empty husks to project their own insecurities on

[prisma terrace]

escape the paleking sim: buzzsaw edition

[indigo eagle]

Like shakra probably contends

[trail holly]

bro is that hogwarts or am i tripping

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[indigo eagle]

gosh thank god that old hag had to die

[plucky stag]

and these kinds of parents don't allow their children to become their own people

[eager pelican]

have we seen what the white palace looks like on thr outside

[barren dew]

WE should destroy the white palace

[fiery burrow]

But her being a forever child and having to accept that her life has value and her rebelling against GMS are not mutually exclusive

[vale totem]

yeah, technically

[marsh ibex]

The thing is that the forever child thing is a result of being made by a god

It isn’t meant to be the end all be all
By striking back against GMS she becomes her own person and grows out of the role she is forced to

[lusty orchid]

I think white palace is good being white but u pulled up like one of the coolest photos ever saying the opposite

[zenith thunder]

ooooh were we talking about bug ages again? let's kill sh*kra ships as well 🙏

[fiery burrow]

And what you think is compelling and what is actually true are different things

[vale totem]

THE BUILDINGS ARE MERGED TOGETHER 😭

[marsh ibex]

to me a lot of the disagreement just stems from people claiming mutually exclusive when it isn’t

[void moat]

she’s still forced to be a child, just literally, she can still strike out against her mother and it adds extra complexity to her character

[indigo eagle]

i think one of silksongs themes is choosing your own identity

[surreal smelt]

^ she is at the mercy of a neglectful and abusive caretaker and must meet her standards.

[pastel pelican]

Where can I ask for silksong help?

[night ruin]

But no one is forever a child, even if they’re told they are. That just isn’t the case in real life nor is it the case among the themes in skong. For it to be true, you’d have to write lace as a static character. This is demonstrably not what we get

[marsh ibex]

you know we’ve literally outlined why this isn’t a valid point to make repeatedly

[trail holly]

hope i think

[void moat]

In #sk-help

[indigo eagle]

#sk-help

[copper hedge]

#sk-help

[eager pelican]

No we werent.

[marsh ibex]

Stop trynna rage bait

[errant orchid]

she gets hard friend zoned by hornet anyway lol

[compact robin]

#sk-help

[eager pelican]

#sk-help

[lusty orchid]

Aislop hype moments and aura but it would look cool if it was actually a painting

[night ruin]

I think the problem with lace is that players have to parse the lies told to her

[zenith thunder]

she should've been enemy-zoned by hornet

[fiery burrow]

This is a fantasy world and being mentally a child does NOT mean you can't have a character arc

[surreal smelt]

UHM GUYS HORNET X SHAKRA IS ACTUALLY PROBLEMATIC MEDIAS... SHAKRA IS 34.. SHE WAS A MINOR 16 YEARS AGO on the other hand.. HORNET WAS A MINOR 10982674287247986 YEARS AGO

[barren dew]

Are you guys sure it's sk help

[vale totem]

dude

[indigo eagle]

Team Cherry when it comes to talking about how Hornet loves fluffy insects instead of clearing 13 lore retcons

[barren dew]

Me when I hate on a character for helping me

[night ruin]

Right. A fantasy world. Fiction. With themes and goals.

[zenith thunder]

shakra = worst npc
pls team cherry allows to kill her in dlc

[pastel pelican]

That channel wasn't in my list

All I had was this one for silksong

[fiery burrow]

Among these themes is Lace having to come to terms with her being a forever child

Lace: Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.
Hornet: Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.

[foggy fossil]

funniest shit ive seen today

[mortal dagger]

switch to dark mode i beg

[marsh ibex]

alright man chill with the memes

[void moat]

lace’s character development comes about in revelations and actions, not about growing older and maturing, she doesnt need to be mature to be a proper, complex, fun character

[eager pelican]

no one is falling for your ragebair

[vale totem]

no

[marsh ibex]

you’re on the edge

[gloomy hill]

I’d slaughter her if I could

[zenith thunder]

BASED

[fiery burrow]

No children can't have character arcs

[errant orchid]

me when i’m a watcher

[night ruin]

“Husk shaped to act as a child” reads to me as her struggling with the lies told to her about her birth.

[barren dew]

Why do you always use this picture hmm

[eager pelican]

lmafo

[fiery burrow]

Read the very next line

[exotic cedar]

This chat kinda sucks im gonna try to draw something

[night ruin]

I did. I hold my case.

[errant orchid]

big ups

[barren dew]

Draw bald paleking

[vale totem]

Can you draw my roblox avatar

[fiery burrow]

Hornet assures Lace that her life has value in spite of the unique traits from her creation

[zenith thunder]

Because it outlines my point and it took me a long time to make it because I don't have paint

[void moat]

she can be a child and honestly id prefer that over her being an adult, it makes for a more unique character in my eyes

[marsh ibex]

You’re so right for that
Chapter 10 of my fanfiction awaits

[spark anchor]

Phantom
wrong reply

[fiery burrow]

Hornet: Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.

[spark anchor]

phantoooom

[timber beacon]

Poshanka!

[night ruin]

Good example actually.

[barren dew]

Took you long enough to make it.... got it...

[gloomy hill]

I’d like to kill the character did literally nothing useful and also lost all respect from me after duelingme

[eager pelican]

i just finished a bacon egg and cheese

[spark anchor]

i didnt mean to reply to you but okay

[errant orchid]

garama!

[indigo eagle]

Draw Thorfinn from the goated anime Vinland Saga

[night ruin]

Does “unique creation” = forever a child? I think that’s the assumption you’re making

[marsh ibex]

I actually believe phantom supports the lace being an eternal child thing

[marsh ibex]

keep in mind phantom shows actual age and was discarded

[errant orchid]

where’s your nail?
don’t need it

[barren dew]

Hunter if I throw you in the abyss would that make you happy or sad

[indigo eagle]

Ye phantom is an useless loser tho

[night ruin]

Hornet recognizes that lace was created to serve a strange purpose, but that lace can grow and change in spite of that.

[fiery burrow]

"Unique creation" refers to Lace being "shaped to act as a child". That's what Hornet is responding to

[zenith thunder]

I would throw Shakra into the abyss

[night ruin]

Red Memory verifies this

[marsh ibex]

sequestered to the mist and made to do whatever the fuck she does I forgot what she does

[opaque sigil]

she does but this is obviously not an argument with somebody in good faith it's just ragebait

[errant orchid]

i thought of that line as referring to her silk nature

[barren dew]

Who are you

[copper hedge]

can you draw THK, ghost, hornet, lace, and sherma playing UNO

[gloomy hill]

Only people who know they are wrong resort to death threats

[night ruin]

I think it’s many things at once

[zenith thunder]

I'm someone

[barren dew]

You don't die in the abyss tho do you 🤔🤔🤔

[indigo eagle]

Garmond is a nothing burger mf stop calling this guy legendary

[errant orchid]

say that to the vessels man

[gloomy hill]

You do that’s kind of the entire thing about the Abyss. Even the Shamans are surprised that GMS is alive down there

[barren dew]

Vessels are too silly

[sand frost]

I finished flea festival and got the final pale oil which gave me the final 1% I needed, I did it!

[surreal smelt]

i found shakra way more compelling

[copper hedge]

500 Shakras vs 5 Savage Beastflies

[rancid stag]

SHESHIBOOOO

[spark anchor]

he does his best and i find him flattering

[marsh ibex]

well no, you can survive in the abyss

You can’t survive in the void

[surreal smelt]

FIRE

[void moat]

you need to beat lost lace to get the achievement tho

[barren dew]

So that means you can be alive horay relax guys it's called physics

[marsh mirage]

hello people

[fiery burrow]

How did they like
write garmond with a straight face

[marsh mirage]

o

[surreal smelt]

she kills the beastfly by making her choke on a ring

[fiery burrow]

7 years and that was the best they could do with the character

[barren dew]

Hi radiance the

[void moat]

they didnt

[gloomy hill]

You lost me

[prisma terrace]

500 shakras

[zenith thunder]

overcharging your friends and running a monopoly is compelling

[spark anchor]

the first thing i did in act 3 is VISIT the fleas i did not want to see them hurt. i was happy to see that they're just celebrating their last days in pharloom

[barren dew]

How we aren't in a forest

[zenith thunder]

compelling in the sense that it compels to fucking want to kill her

[void moat]

they laughed too hard at garmond while writing the rest of sk lore, that’s why it turned out so jank

[sand frost]

Ik

[errant orchid]

flea festival was so peak

[icy crow]

You can say the same about Cornifer cro

[gloomy hill]

Same thing for Shakra. How do you make such a bad boss after teasing it 7 years ago 😭

[night ruin]

Drink some water bro

[surreal smelt]

yeah it is i call it hanging out

[rancid stag]

when do you fight garmond and zaza again?

[barren dew]

Pretty sure they said they didn't play hollow knight

[void moat]

Citadel

[icy crow]

Top of Whispering Vaults

[copper hedge]

someone did 500 shakras vs Lost Lace (with Sherma as emotional support) with a mod. i wonder how many Garmond and Zaza it would take to beat Lost Lace

[rancid stag]

when though?

[barren dew]

I think people should play hollow knight no matter first or after playing silksong

[compact robin]

Top 1 reason why phantom is best girl

[surreal smelt]

as i revisit some things i realise that some skong thing weren't as peak as i thought and it was excitement of release speaking 😭

[night ruin]

Agree

[errant orchid]

yeah it’s like the best game ever

[gloomy hill]

[fiery burrow]

Thankfully the steamDB leaks were there to cull my excitement

[surreal smelt]

"best girl" just reminded me of ddlc

[errant orchid]

that game was too scary

[exotic cedar]

I can't even draw full bodies 😭😭

[night ruin]

I could tell on first playthrough that some parts of skong are overhyped.

[spark anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/spotify-volume-volume-up-banger-song-gif-25334954

[exotic cedar]

That's why my pfp is just cut off

[surreal smelt]

that award goes to oneshot im ngl. like im not the most puzzle kinda guy BUT ONESHOT

[gloomy hill]

Same

[night ruin]

I thought phantom was a dude

[timber beacon]

ngl compared to voidheart,i prefer silksong

[copper hedge]

its time to start the challenge :)

[errant orchid]

i think hk is still the better game

[night ruin]

Woah there

[surreal smelt]

half correct phantom is actually nonbinary

[barren dew]

we aren't going back now

[verbal trench]

phantom is undefined

[night ruin]

Fr?

[errant orchid]

haven’t gotten around to it the best puzzle game i’ve played is tunic tho

[copper hedge]

NaN?

[zenith thunder]

neither can team cherry 🙊

[gloomy hill]

HK redefined a genre…Silksong is well just Silksong

[marsh spoke]

i did not deny that the lace child interpretation is the correct one. i think for now there's enough wiggle room for both to be true although i could be wrong. if there's any statement made by team cherry either through the game or out of fit then that's that
you are correct in that what i think is compelling isnt necessarily true and you are correct if you assume i want it to be true. that's because i think it would be better
on the other messages:

• i think the message of her life having value and her rebellion is just a lot stronger if she's an adult. maybe it is because it is more relatable to my own experience, maybe it's because i havent considered the other point of view hard enough
• considering she's made by a god who's already fucked up twice i really dont think that means she's successfully a forever child. i think her being another failed attempt ala THK is just 1) a really good parallel to the first game 2) a more interesting to me interpretation.
  this is my thoughts on the subject. its just thoughts. i can very much be wrong. i don't think i am but i still can be wrong. Maybe i'm missing something whether deliberately or by accident or because I'm not really qualified for these things. I'm just someone who has an interpretation of the character that I like and i just dont like that a lot of people (not necessarily you) just shoot it down without question

[fiery burrow]

HK is better yea

[copper hedge]

holy text wall

[gloomy hill]

HOLY WALL

[night ruin]

Holy wall

[surreal smelt]

mhm fr

[timber beacon]

wdym?

[rancid stag]

SHENSHIBOOOOOOOO

[night ruin]

That’s peak asf

[sand frost]

Indeed

[errant orchid]

silksong just has some weird bad game design moments, definitely fixable with dlc

[copper hedge]

and updates

[night ruin]

Oh on further read a lot of this is mega agreeable. Thank you for having the eloquence and patience I lack

[timber beacon]

agreed.

arguably same with hk-

[surreal smelt]

my goat has spoken

[trail holly]

hard agree

[zenith thunder]

HK redefined a genre? Which one?

[errant orchid]

no my game is perfect

[cunning geode]

yeah it’s got too many benches

[barren dew]

Astig writing fire

[fiery burrow]

Lace growing up isn't consistent or good writing when you consider the Lace 2 dialogue

[gloomy hill]

Metroidvania genre

[trail holly]

metroidvania i presume

[surreal smelt]

metroidvnanias

[errant orchid]

not enough traps

[night ruin]

Let it go bruh

[cunning geode]

very true unironically

[timber beacon]

WE NEED MORE BILEWATER BENCHES

[fiery burrow]

And we know for a fact she isn't an adult by virtue of being referred to as a child by meta text

[cunning geode]

more traps

[zenith thunder]

But how did it redefine it

[marsh ibex]

hmm
Well I don’t think GMS fucking up before lends credence to her not being a forever child

[timber beacon]

i am talking about the muckmaggot trap one,yes bathe me in muckmaggots

[spark anchor]

it's kinda ambiguous

[copper hedge]

someone pointed out how the three dreamer icons on the left room of the Black Egg temple in Forgotten Crossroads in HK got changed with the new update and it took them that long to change it

[night ruin]

That’s what I’ve been saying for days

[timber beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/raining-cheese-garfield-the-garfield-movie-shower-me-with-cheese-cheese-lover-gif-11668461938495053621

[marsh ibex]

GMS fuck ups were yknow, lying to the weavers about being divine or some shit and having phantom get age

[cunning geode]

muckmaggot shower to buy for bellhome

[icy crow]

The first time I met and fought Phantom the boss looked female enough for me lol

[marsh ibex]

because she cannot wrap her head around her children growing away from her

[night ruin]

Nonbiney

[rancid stag]

we do indeed need more of SHENSHIBOO

[errant orchid]

did it far better than everything before it on a huge scale and with insane levels of polish also has some of the most well done world building

also revolutionized youtube video essays with its soundtrack

[marsh ibex]

So she made lace a forever child and erroneously assumed it meant she’d stay with her forever

[timber beacon]

i think silksong wait was worth it,silksong is really good

[opaque vale]

Yo is that submarine cutscene real or is twitter baiting me again

[timber beacon]

it lacks zote so it sucks ass tho

[exotic cedar]

I'm trying to draw this but paleking

[fiery burrow]

Probably real

[zenith thunder]

I cringe every time I hear hornet's theme in a youtube video essay now fuck those video essays

[night ruin]

Youre finally seeing it oh my god I’m so relieved

[marsh ibex]

but that literally can’t happen
Children grow away from their parents as a result of life and their changes

[barren dew]

Surprisingly it's not a silkpost

[marsh ibex]

GMS is an asshole mother fighting against nature

[bleak lark]

lace's supposed mommy issues fall flat when you dont get to see what exactly grandma's mistreatment of lace entailed

[spark anchor]

you probably got baited

[night ruin]

The burden of immortal life and servitude ain’t enough?

[marsh ibex]

you…don’t have to?

[copper hedge]

animal instincts check

[marsh ibex]

the fuck?

[spark anchor]

yeah it should play dark descent instead

[icy crow]

We should ban all Silkposters from Reddit

[marsh ibex]

oh so you need to see abuse for the issues stemming from abuse to stick???

[opaque vale]

Yeah this one

[marsh ibex]

cmon man

[night ruin]

They tried that

[marsh ibex]

Be better than that

[surreal smelt]

there is not necessarily a "non binary" look characters who are nonbinary don't need androgyny to be enby

[spark anchor]

please be real please be real please where did you get this

[zenith thunder]

Also I enjoyed SotN a lot more than Silksong

[gloomy hill]

It’s one of the best indie games of all time. And most of not all proceeding meteoidvanias have been compared to HK and inspired by HK in some way. It’s basically become the measuring stick of metroidvanias

[barren dew]

It's somehow not a silkpost I'm shocked as well

[opaque vale]

We should all ban Reddit who uses that

[errant orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/não-sobrou-nada-gif-12105309631444318443

[safe ore]

What if the silksong is the friends we made all along

[icy crow]

I mean yeah, just saying that Phantom looked female to me at first

[verbal trench]

my interpretation of her constantly being referred to as a child was that she acts like one due to being neglected and since has accepted that role as a child, but i guess her being a forever child would make a lot more sense

[barren dew]

It's on Reddit actually you can find the link here wait

[fiery burrow]

HK has better map design SS has better moment-to-moment gameplay imo

[surreal smelt]

i think bait hk/ss are more detailed for fast travel cutscenes

[marsh ibex]

Well we see what gms’s neglected children look like
Phantom

[fiery burrow]

I think HK is the better game because its overall more fulfilling because unlike Silksong its quality doesn't drop off a cliff near the end

[dusty crater]

ok

[surreal smelt]

yeah no its fair :] i was just stating something which was a tangent to that

[opaque vale]

I’m starting to think 2021 silksong might’ve been better than current silksong

[fiery burrow]

Also better story/art direction

[errant orchid]

hk does everything better except graphics and gameplay imo

[night ruin]

I think the notion of “forever a child” is just kind of oxymoronic, especially with the themes of skong in place.

[timber beacon]

i kinda find Silksong's gameplay more fun than hk's rn

[marsh ibex]

she wasn’t neglected she was forced into a role and had some overbearing shit

[compact robin]

Bro i don't wanna kill phantom yet but i don't wanna do mist again

[opaque sigil]

Creating her as an eternal child is itself extreme abuse

[opaque vale]

Once you do mist once you don’t have to do it again

[vale totem]

Guys

[night ruin]

The finished game is better than the unfinished game

[vale totem]

Next earclacks fight is unarmed vs boomerang

[compact robin]

Doesn't it only go away after you kill phantom

[fiery burrow]

SO TRUE

[opaque vale]

Idk actually I’m just saying stuff

[bleak lark]

not literally, i mean any kind of implication of that

all i got is lace's detestment of her for (reasons), those reasons arent elaborated upon

if its "her nature" as a silkbeing and being a perpetual child, okay? why are both of these are a burden to lace, how arent they really explored besides the very few blurps that come up in exchanges regarding her

theres just... so little of lace, and shes supposed to be central to the whole thing

[verbal trench]

phantom was more physical neglect, lace looks like more emotional neglect

[spark anchor]

i found the post and it's NOT in the silksong subreddit

[opaque vale]

As in the map and idea

[zenith thunder]

I don't like how HK's combat looks imo, even if I didn't like SK overall its combat was objectively pretty good and definitely one of its highlights

[compact robin]

Ik it goes away. But i think it's after you kill phantom

[opaque vale]

Ofc the finished game is better

[barren dew]

Wait what

[vale totem]

you can see that phantom’s mask is broken/fractured

[night ruin]

I don’t play ideas on my outdated laptop

[vale totem]

And she wasn’t even wearing it when she was playing her song

[wet tulip]

hollow knight subreddit

[opaque vale]

Fair sigh

[marsh ibex]

… lace literally does not think her life had any merit based on the way she was made
The way she was made was out of silk and being a child

[gloomy hill]

Imo I don’t blame GMS for forcing Lace into role. if I make something it should work as intended, otherwise it sucks and should be discarded of

[marsh ibex]

To be frank if you need more than that you’re like…kinda weird

[zenith thunder]

Maybe they should remake HK with SK combat

[barren dew]

Shouldn't that be posted in silksong subreddit tho

[marsh ibex]

That’s open and shut abuse my guy

[night ruin]

Fucking crazy thing to say lmao

[marsh ibex]

[vale totem]

hornet modded into hollow knight

[timber beacon]

The tool system is fun aswell as crests rn

[compact robin]

Somehow not wrong LMAO

[night ruin]

“You know… I would make my child an immortal slave too. I get it”

[marsh ibex]

no it’s definitely wrong

[gloomy hill]

That’s just how creations work iirc

[opaque vale]

Og hk with silksong’s soul/silk mechanics and silksong with og hk soul mechanics

[wet tulip]

not necessarily, the hollow knight subreddit is for hollow knight in general, including silksong

[marsh ibex]

No????

[errant orchid]

yeah it’s fun to see such customization

[timber beacon]

But silksong compared to hk feels like hk's first release compared to the many dlcs improving hollow knight

[marsh ibex]

Lace is her child

[night ruin]

My dude that’s child abuse

[errant orchid]

but silk skills SUCK

[compact robin]

not wrong as in that's most definitely the mindset gms followed

[opaque vale]

And you heal 3 masks in og and 1 mask in silksong

[barren dew]

Ohh alright (i don't use Reddit mb)

[vale totem]

you can play as the knight in silksong if you have thunderstore mod manager downloaded

[opaque vale]

If only I had a good pc

[open agate]

GUYS HUGE NEWS
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxiAaAHH-UE8VbTj0acIZwN7NAi73gn39G

[night ruin]

Who told you this

[marsh ibex]

Oh yeah that’s true

[gloomy hill]

You make a machine, the machine doesn’t work as intended you gonna fix it or discard it and make another one that fits your perspective or just give up?

[marsh ibex]

Carry on then

[open agate]

SUBMARINE CUTSCENE CONFIMED

[marsh ibex]

“You make a machine”
A child is not a machine

[open agate]

LETS GOOOOO

[errant orchid]

the few criticisms i have of silksong aren’t dlc related but i think comparing decked out hk to release silksong is wack

[night ruin]

Good thing lace isn’t a machine

[marsh ibex]

the fact you’re using this as an example is kinda disgusting

[opaque sigil]

Also if you make a sapient machine that would still be bad

[errant orchid]

a good boss fight producing machine

[marsh ibex]

please grow and change as a person

[gloomy hill]

The way Lace is made seems way closer to a machine given a soul rather than an actual child

[opaque vale]

I will voice out my main silksong criticisms once team cherry stops adding content

[torn token]

Guys what's this gap in my journal entry?

[marsh ibex]

did you…play the game?

Hornet is like

[gloomy hill]

Yes

[marsh ibex]

Explicit in the fact that she is an actual child with actual life

[misty drum]

guys

[marsh ibex]

oh my god bro

[gloomy hill]

Same thing with Vessels

[fiery burrow]

My condolences

[opaque vale]

Zote

[marsh ibex]

OH MY GOD BRO

[misty drum]

what do the tiny logos above the completion mean

[verbal trench]

oh lord

[gloomy hill]

Made purely using silk by GMS

[fiery burrow]

this mf didn't mash through the dialogue

[compact robin]

phantom omg

[misty drum]

these things

[errant orchid]

i get the point but lace is made mostly so gms can fulfill her need to have a baby so she is child all the way

[torn token]

Should've known

[bleak lark]

okay but that hasnt manifested in anything but lace's giggles and dialogue exposition, lace is incredibly cunning, intelligent, and just... she didnt really read to me as a child until hornet brought that up, not that children characters cant be intelligent, thats not what i mean, im just not getting how that is burdening her aside from the game suggesting that it somehow does

[marsh ibex]

And the point is that is irrelevant

[open agate]

Oh boy an argument I joined at the right time 🍿

[marsh ibex]

She had life

[compact robin]

True ending i assume

[marsh ibex]

Can you not be fucking weird dude

[misty drum]

oh cool

[compact robin]

LMAO WHAT WAS THAT 😭

[still elm]

Yes news today

[hollow wharf]

SAME HELP 😭

[fiery burrow]

Cunning and intelligent?

[marsh ibex]

don’t post shit like that

[compact robin]

WHAT WAS THAT 😭😭

[open agate]

Drama food be so good

[opaque sigil]

It has manifested in her dialogue she resents the fact that she can’t grow up because she thinks it makes her life false but hollow knight fans can’t read

[surreal smelt]

i do see what you mean but i think the fundamental flaw of gms is seeing her SENTIENT creations as just that a machine. a means to an end. a vacancy to be filled and not as real beings. i blame her exactly for treating her very animate and living creations as objects

[bleak lark]

okay, she made an impression of such a character to me at least

[errant orchid]

freaky jumpscare 😭

[compact robin]

iam genuinely so skarred rn

[turbid quail]

Genuinely fuck who ever made coral tower

[compact robin]

I literally jumped dawg

[marsh ibex]

Lace isn’t cunning or intelligent
She sees GMS wants hornet so she lets her free and tries to kill her

She sees GMS trying to take hornet in silk and soul and stops it from happening

[bleak lark]

you can object/correct my understanding without calling me illiterate btw

[compact robin]

What floor didja die on

[errant orchid]

same guy that cut THE PRETTY CORAL AREA

[marsh ibex]

That’s not cunning that’s just “I’m doing the opposite of what you want”

[fiery burrow]

The magnificent Crust King and his glorious army

[gloomy hill]

Yes, but last I checked in most stories, gods are very very out of touch with normal people

[eternal horizon]

Umm what is this?

[errant orchid]

the goat

[verbal trench]

a cool statue

[opaque vale]

If the void took hornet what would happen because hornet is 100% void 🤯

[compact robin]

Rune rage

[fiery burrow]

PK was for the people

[surreal smelt]

yes

[mint harness]

there is definitely 3 areas, i predict them to be the pharloom bay, distant trench and the conductors spire

[opaque vale]

Have fun!!

[turbid quail]

3rd room, where the floors become spikes at the dude spams the long range attacks on u

[errant orchid]

all 3 are deepnest

[opaque vale]

What’s the second one

[compact robin]

Oof 💔

[gloomy hill]

So it’s not out of the question that to her, Lace is just a thing that to fulfill her want for a child, same way the entire purpose of vessels is to act as a prison for Rad

[marsh ibex]

not funny
Didn’t laugh

[verbal trench]

i predict fuck all predictions it's just blue lake again

[mint harness]

for sea of sorrows there will be a spire somewhere and it makes sense to be a location

[marsh ibex]

yes and notice how the vessels failed because they were individuals

[opaque vale]

We got mr serious over here

[marsh ibex]

i be making jokes
hornet void isn’t funny

[opaque vale]

A sugary spire……

[marsh ibex]

hasn’t been funny in 7 years

[compact robin]

that sucks i usually use tools for that
Just so you know you can unlock a shortcut to skip the first 3 once you get the 4th one

[barren dew]

Why does this fandom have three jokes

[opaque vale]

Man I don’t use Reddit idk what jokes are up to date or not

[errant orchid]

moss bag made it pretty funny

[verbal trench]

• hornet is void
• silksong isn't real
• zoteboat

[surreal smelt]

im not saying that it isn't "out of the question" or "unexpected" all im saying that its a flaw of hers. just the way pale king's arrogance was his flaw. gods are flawed

[fiery burrow]

Hornet is void elicits a hearty chuckle followed by the slap of the knee

[earnest cliff]

||https://youtu.be/NOgQU3ui1Ds?si=Iw6RdXi1G3h0kARN|| what a cool mod, it uses all the sprites that are found in the game files

[barren dew]

This fandom's jokes is EXACTLY the same type jokes people do in DDLC fandom

[marsh ibex]

aunt

[compact robin]

man y'all and ur boring lore just turn the bosses into bits

[zenith thunder]

Now change the middle point to

• silksong is good

[errant orchid]

the knight is pale king 🤯

[exotic cedar]

Hornet??? HER NAME IS SILKSONG

[verbal trench]

god not the matpat video

[opaque vale]

Hold ur horse partner it can’t be that bad

[mint harness]

they will all be east but i think the spire will outlook the ducts and actually open it up

[barren dew]

What I mean is that it gets boring

[errant orchid]

the video that marked the decline of that channel ☹️

[verbal trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358217287760347376/1447017380059545621/caption.gif

[barren dew]

Just like how DDLC has one joke (haha get it? Sayori dies)

[surreal smelt]

man if you hate it so much why even talk here its the holidays spend time with your loved ones

[opaque vale]

New joke:
beast seven

Cuz
Cuz it sounds like six se

[compact robin]

Sybau

[bleak lark]

yes, all of her actions are defying GMS, the last of which is pretty reckless which causes it to be the catalyst behind act 3 happening

thing is, it just doesnt come up until hindsight, lace to me didnt make an impression of a child and as a result her complex didnt land as well for me

maybe its a screentime issue, she really doesnt pop up much

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-shit-loser-seriously-gif-5731140

[exotic cedar]

Goodbye

[errant orchid]

this is the problem with beast crest

[zenith thunder]

I spent yesterday with my loved ones
Now I'm sick of them
I hate board games

[marsh spoke]

the cradle dialogue i'm assuming you're referring to: "just a husk shaped to act as a child", "a child too broken" (the one i was thinking about the most while typing this whole thing out)
obviously this means she failed at her role of being a good daughter for GMS. i personally believe that her being "too broken" would work very well if it was her mentally growing up and just being unable to fill the role of her even being a child. it could also work as her feeling like she isn't enough due to GMS's implied obsession with hornet during the whole thing. but the thing is the rest of the dream nail dialogue talks about that so in that scenario it would feel like a strange unnecessary addition. I just think that that specific line existing hints more to her also feeling like she's not a good child (as in doesn't play the part well).

[wary storm]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-marvel-marvek-marvel-thanos-snap-gif-1546982591688400710

[compact robin]

Holy FUCKING textwall

[surreal smelt]

man you're just cutting edge at this point. that outta food?

[barren dew]

STOP

[marsh ibex]

when the trumpets toll and the ledger of life and death is revealed, you will not be spared from the reckoning.

[opaque vale]

I’m so plump and gassy

[timber beacon]

Guys guys what if we sunk lace into muckmaggot water,does she desintregrate like meat on acid?

[surreal smelt]

i thought we had one joke

[errant orchid]

like cotton candy in water

[barren dew]

What if I throw an atomic bomb here and all of us dies

[compact robin]

Sink her DEEP into that shit please

[exotic cedar]

Prob? But can we talk about how she survives fucking LAVA

[barren dew]

Two, here you go

[compact robin]

Fuck you sideways

[surreal smelt]

3*

[opaque vale]

Basically we get phantom 2

[zenith thunder]

*die
all of us die

[barren dew]

???????????

[marsh ibex]

no, she’d be eaten alive with nothing left

[barren dew]

Dies, dice

[exotic cedar]

Do you keep one atomic bomb at your house

[errant orchid]

unleash the silk eaters on her

[barren dew]

1

[surreal smelt]

die and dice

[barren dew]

Yes

[surreal smelt]

ln(8e45678908765767876)

[exotic cedar]

Wow, amazing, incredible

[errant orchid]

i must have missed that precept

[barren dew]

3356324677865

[barren dew]

63463214577? 674336632

[zenith thunder]

You have put a slur in your name sir

[vague pilot]

i just got silksong yesterday

[errant orchid]

they ain’t gonna spare you

[vague pilot]

the games peak already

[rich herald]

finally, oro gives something useful in a rando

[fiery burrow]

Lace: Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.
Hornet: Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.
Hornet assuring Lace that her life has value in spite of her unique creation would be nonsensical under that reading

[rich herald]

oh are we lace age discoursing nvm

[fiery burrow]

Lace's arc is about accepting that her life has value in spite of being a forever child which is like... good writing

[errant orchid]

they are lace discoursing about something else for once still kinda wack

[proper otter]

oh my god bruh the lace age shit again

[barren dew]

Off topic but do you have other socials you post your art in it? :3

[zenith thunder]

I have many intelligent friends of artificial descent, I take offense on their behalf

[marsh ibex]

I wonder who Hornet is referring to in the latter half of her dialogue

perhaps an individual with a large physique

Wielding a blade

[rich herald]

I do not, i used to but i had my art nicked by some loser AI bro so i'm a little scared to post my shit publicly anymore

[marsh ibex]

Wracked by illness for eons

[barren dew]

WHAT THE HELL I'M SORRY??

[open narwhal]

at a sign "lune"

lune should do a handwriting reveal

[errant orchid]

i wonder if there will ever be a way to get a direct continuation of godhome ending

[mortal dagger]

You'll cry

[open narwhal]

@marsh ibex omg u retired hi jonkler hru

[errant orchid]

maybe dlc cutscene

[open narwhal]

at its magnificence or its horror

[rich herald]

it happened almost a year ago so im not really mad about it anymore but its scared me off from posting stuff on social media lol
maybe ill move to tumblr and post stuff there but thats only if i can actually figure out how to use that site

[mortal dagger]

.... no comment

[open narwhal]

what...

[marsh ibex]

I’m sick

Might be temporary might be permanent

We’ll see

[open narwhal]

aww :( with what

[ebon rivet]

I've seen a leak.

[marsh ibex]

my sibling’s disease

[open narwhal]

if im allowed to ask

[marsh ibex]

Haven’t we all

[errant orchid]

an infection of sorts

[ebon rivet]

you know it too?

[marsh ibex]

silkers call me the vessel

[open narwhal]

praying for the best

[mortal dagger]

Ive lost a few too many marks in math from it being unintelligible

[marsh ibex]

they call them the what

[marsh spoke]

Not really?
i think it still works just under a different lens
her not being a forever child doesn't mean that she's not a unique creation. she's a) quite literally fragile since she needs silk to sustain herself b) still was forced into a role she could never hope to live up to
she still thinks she's not really alive because of her circumstances and that her life doesn't have value because of her state of mind and her physical drawbacks
I think it still works

[open narwhal]

wtf 😭

wait lune have u seen my handwriting its like 90% of my personality

[errant orchid]

i’m very telligible

[marsh spoke]

also hi osbald sorry for late greeting Im arguing about silkslop

[open narwhal]

i figured and decided to wait until u finish the disc

hi astig

[mortal dagger]

I dont think so? Im really intrigued now maybe we should compare

[marsh ibex]

my NOSE

It DRIPS

[fiery burrow]

Her being made out of silk isn't the trait focused on

[ruby agate]

guys I just killed craggler (insanely mid fight btw) and entered this area anyone know if this area is important or should I go back to red coral gorge

[fiery burrow]

Its said that she was made to be a child forever then Hornet assures her that she's still a person in spite of that and then Caretaker comes out and says "Hey guys yeah that person has been a child mentally for ages"

[golden karma]

Whether or not lace is a child lacenet is #ahh

[errant orchid]

i would go to caelid for some masks rq

[open narwhal]

do u wanna see scribbles or actual neat notes

[bleak lark]

good future SS timeline

[golden karma]

Lace doesnt deserve love. She deserveds muckmaggots

[fiery burrow]

Then lace keeps being referred to as a child even after rebelling against GMS up until the final boss where the meta text refers to her as a child

Its not very ambiguous

[errant orchid]

should have dropped her in the void

[mortal dagger]

Complete default handwriting, no rush but no pressure for like perfection

[golden karma]

Instead of fighting lost lace you just go to kill gms and let lace dies

[quick cedar]

The nether

[timid sky]

Nooo why is the mossgrub dead

[oak dragon]

cagney vs flowey who wins

[errant orchid]

hopefully hornet will use her submarine to go save quirrel

[quick cedar]

Cagney

[zenith thunder]

Middania

[oak dragon]

go on

[marsh ibex]

Quirrel didn’t drown himself

[golden karma]

Why can't we let quirrel die

[quick cedar]

Okay quirrel knower

[errant orchid]

the thinker

[golden karma]

Like bro he did everything he could do why do we wanna force bro to live

[oak dragon]

explain

[timid sky]

🅱️uh??

[quick cedar]

No

[errant orchid]

he took a tumble

[golden karma]

Same with cloth
Cloth surviving is literally her bad ending

[errant orchid]

but then u have less friends in dm ☹️

[subtle rain]

This one the dark shall not take 💔

[worldly lake]

i shredded far fields beastfly i genuinely thought it would be worse

[oak dragon]

hi astig

[golden karma]

Let the dark take her who gaf 😂

[timid sky]

Fr

[oak dragon]

damn

[open narwhal]

havent held a pencil in like a week :(

[subtle rain]

I do 🔥

[marsh ibex]

You, don’t?

[timid sky]

She fought hornet 3 times why save her after allat

[marsh ibex]

He dies from old age

drowning himself just isn’t how he dies

it’s also stupid

[golden karma]

He went to take a swim

[worldly lake]

either i'm just used to savage beastfly or i am going to enjoy witch crest very much

[fiery burrow]

Hornet: Oblivion may take you, child. My own life, I shall not sacrifice.
Fakest IDGAFer ever???

[quick cedar]

Hes so old he crumbles to dust and is blown away

[mortal dagger]

You write like you're really tryna convince me you're innocent

[golden karma]

It's what's implied, because he gave up his nail next to the lake and you can't foind his body

[oak dragon]

nice handwriting

[marsh ibex]

No, it isn’t

[golden karma]

Yes

[worldly lake]

(i have officially joined the witches)

[open narwhal]

BAHAHAH WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN 😭

[marsh ibex]

his death is implied

The commonly spouted method is entirely fanon

[errant orchid]

he ate a rancid egg and blew up

[golden karma]

Yeah but his nail is next to the lake and his body is nowhere near to be seen
It's an implication to me

[mortal dagger]

Idk but i felt it

Lemme show you my performance

[errant orchid]

more of a theory, a game theory

[quick cedar]

He took 1 final swim

[timid sky]

He dissipated

[marsh spoke]

Id argue otherwise because the lines before that talk about how she's not a bug made out of bug meat and bug bone but from pure silk. i would say her being made out of silk is the primary focus in that dialogue and i would argue hornet is in fact talking about her physical state and not her being a child or playing the role of a child

[marsh ibex]

you realize his corpse would float to the top yes

[quick cedar]

Explain where his body is then liberals

[errant orchid]

he’s too fat

[ruby agate]

who r these people bro

[golden karma]

Like ze'emer

[marsh ibex]

his voice audibly ages
he slumps over after giving monomon her mask
he literally SAYS “I now feel my age”

he died from old age

[quick cedar]

Vuma and kiki

[marsh spoke]

also sorry for slow responses I'm rereading shit multiple times to make sure i'm not just pulling things out of the aether

[golden karma]

Quirrel is actually the heaviest character in the game

[worldly lake]

did you know that if you use a volt filament rune rage right when savage beastfly spawns you can get to second phase within seconds

[quick cedar]

According to the words on screen

[fiery burrow]

The reason Lace gives for her not being alive is her being shaped to act as a child not because she's made of silk

[marsh ibex]

being heavy makes it easier for you to float

[errant orchid]

died of age mid butterfly stroke

[ruby agate]

oh fuck a fight started

[timid sky]

Why does it say “Territory” and not “territory”

[exotic cedar]

Savage beastfly has a second phase?

[timid sky]

Are they stupid

[fiery burrow]

Congratulations, spider. Finally, I felt your sting, and you've bared the truth of my pathetic empty shell.
Hornet: You always had the scent, child. You are no bug. Yours is a life born entirely from thread.
Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.
Hornet: Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.

[errant orchid]

he ate all the wanderers journals

[worldly lake]

the part where it summons the tarmites

[marsh ibex]

what is this beautiful ass handwriting

[golden karma]

He's actually magnetically attracted to the bottom of the lake

[marsh ibex]

disgusting

[fiery burrow]

Like her being a child is absolutely focused on here

[exotic cedar]

Oh

[marsh ibex]

It should be barely legible chicken scratch

[fiery burrow]

If it wasn't relevant she wouldn't mention it

[open narwhal]

its not even my peak 😭

[marsh ibex]

I’m disappointed in you oswald

[worldly lake]

anyways i don't know what carried harder rune rage or mirror nuke

[ruby agate]

oh yeah sub-area in verdania I assume
entered a cave system and it said "territory of the king"

[subtle rain]

Literally me

[golden karma]

Why are you using rune rage

[quick cedar]

Kill all neat handwriters

[eternal horizon]

3rd try not even close

[marsh ibex]

When I read handwriting I better see shit floating after I recited a long dead magical spell

[worldly lake]

-i worked hard for it
-it is SO GOOD for far fields beastfly

[marsh ibex]

not this…easy to parse nonsense

[mortal dagger]

This was the only paper near me

[ruby agate]

vuma and kiki are FREE bro I beat them

[glacial rivet]

I could only wish to write so neatly. My handwriting is very nearly illegible chickenscratch.

[marsh ibex]

you see?

This is art

[mortal dagger]

[marsh ibex]

The harried nature

[eternal horizon]

GG

[quick cedar]

W glaze

[timid sky]

Missed opportunity to call them bouba & kiki though

[marsh ibex]

The way some letters bleed into each other

[worldly lake]

not only does it do insane damage if you use it the moment savage beastfly spawns in

[timid sky]

Team cherry flopd

[marsh ibex]

And you can’t tell where one ends and one begins

[marsh ibex]

perfect

[worldly lake]

you can also easily take care of the tarmites

[mortal dagger]

Its authentic cursive

[subtle rain]

One of the best fights, worst silk skill 💔

[errant orchid]

just noticed how jolly we gettin

[marsh ibex]

“Ugly handwriting” THE FUCK

[marsh ibex]

ITS TOO CLEAN

[mortal dagger]

this is ugly?

[worldly lake]

and also

[marsh ibex]

THIS CHICKEN IS FUCKING RAW

[mortal dagger]

Id cry happy tears if i wrote thst

[quick cedar]

Something about this is villainous

[worldly lake]

rune rage has aura

[open narwhal]

actually not that bad if it werent for the unconnected R i had to use way too much brainpower to know what it said

also wtf is that k

[golden karma]

Maybe but that's all it really has

[errant orchid]

would you happen to have a shiny chi yu

[exotic cedar]

This is better than my best writing

[quick cedar]

Nope

[golden karma]

Which character in silksong has the highest aura debt

[marsh ibex]

GMS

[timid sky]

Also i think that in far fields beastfly you can go off the arena a bit to bind safely, left but not so left because room transition

[mortal dagger]

My name starts with a k so i get a bit lazy idk

[open narwhal]

this is a page from my notebook

[worldly lake]

it's pretty situational

[marsh ibex]

You are not a real individual

these are notes?

[timid sky]

Spamton reaction?

[marsh ibex]

I can READ THEM

NOTES ARENT MEANT TO BE READ

[open narwhal]

spontan = spontaneous

[marsh ibex]

you disgust me

[worldly lake]

is it normal for savage beastfly to roar and hornet not get stunned

[gloomy fjord]

That is nothing compared to my handwriting 😭

[quick cedar]

Dang

[rich herald]

people who write like theyre typing in a font are terrifying

[golden karma]

Gms is more so all aura and nothing else

[open narwhal]

my name has the ugliest spellimg ever it looks so unneat :(

[marsh spoke]

she calls herself a weak wasting existence and a husk shaped to act as a child
i would argue weak wasting existence is referring to her being made out of silk and how she'd just waste away without it
i would also argue that in "husk shaped to act as a child" i think personally its her calling herself a husk that's the more relevant part here. I'm not saying that "shaped to act as a child" is Completely Irrelevant to anything far from it but I just do not think that is the main focus in that specific interaction. I think hornet saying that her existence was in fact a life is more a response to Lace's self deprecation rather than specifically that part

[marsh ibex]

barely any aura man

[errant orchid]

weak aura

[marsh ibex]

any aura she had is evaporated by being a piss easy fight

[golden karma]

Id say her fight has aura vidually

[marsh spoke]

oswald would you rather be called osbald

[honest veldt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/eh0605MbPEU?si=7Apl4Ae4M38ofM6H

[open narwhal]

wait do you guys think of letters as made up for three spaces

[marsh ibex]

and just yapping in act 3

[golden karma]

Only visually

[open narwhal]

i dont mind either ngl

[fiery burrow]

Hornet

[golden karma]

Khann is similar they gave him so much aura but made him trivial

[open narwhal]

osbald has tons of lore to it

[timid sky]

Wdym

[fiery burrow]

GMS Hornet Shakra and Green Prince

[marsh ibex]

fuck it I’ll start a steel soul run again

[golden karma]

Hornet slab agartha red maiden phonk

[quick cedar]

Easy bosses can have aura like tormented trobbio

[marsh ibex]

goodbye

[worldly lake]

?

[golden karma]

Green prince is lowkey an idiot I can see it
Shakra has aura smh

[hallow lintel]

He was so disappointing bro

[quick cedar]

Idk

[timid sky]

And how is this related to silksong

[prisma terrace]

gak gak

[errant orchid]

fun fight but not hard

[honest veldt]

Fourth Chorus

[hallow lintel]

Do you have to restart the coral tower if you die to khann?

[errant orchid]

he is so gluttonous

[mortal dagger]

@open narwhal this is my neat book.. you are a printer or smt

[golden karma]

Was fourth chorus being early game a mistake

[honest veldt]

Yes, absolutely

Fourth Chorus should have been guarding clawline

[hallow lintel]

Crawfather isn’t even that hard, the minion summons are the majority of the difficulty

[golden karma]

Honestly I think the fight was presented well in my first playthrough it didn't really dissapoint me

[marsh spoke]

im quite tired of the discussion for now star so i'll probably leave it off fwith my next text wall about lace being called a child after the cradle because you did mention that and i dont wanna go off without talking about that

[prisma terrace]

one attempt

[quick cedar]

Pantheon version of fourth chorus will do it justice

[errant orchid]

they just should have done something with the ones in the citadel like a jumping

[fiery burrow]

Green Prince and Shakra both squander their aura with a mid bossfight

[honest veldt]

My main problem is the amount of potential it had

[golden karma]

It does ig

[quick cedar]

Pantheon version of shakra will do her justice

[hallow lintel]

It’s a little dumb how easy nylteh and khann are, only for karmelita to be exponentially harder

[timid sky]

Speaking of pantheons

[quick cedar]

Pantheon khann will do him justice

[errant orchid]

seth is the real nyleth

[hallow lintel]

Shakra’s fight was already good tho

[hallow lintel]

Seth was fun but not that hard, I kept using needle strike

[quick cedar]

No

[open narwhal]

uhhhhh whatever this is

[golden karma]

TC after making nyleth the most visually beautiful fight in the game only to make her feel like a miniboss compared to the boss before her

[errant orchid]

he took me the most attempts out of any boss 😭

[honest veldt]

Karmelita is by far the best hearts and nobody can convince me otherwise, the only thing close is the Coral Heart

[errant orchid]

maybe i need to use nail arts

[compact robin]

Let's FUCKING do this

[timid sky]

I think it would be cool if in the godhome dlc or hwatever for silksong bell beast would be fought together with her children, like they could mimic her attacks but deal less damage and just kinda act as obstacles

[echo cobalt]

on phone bro 😭

[hallow lintel]

Good luck

[compact robin]

I take it back

[echo cobalt]

yeah goodluck

[honest veldt]

5 mask Groal on phone, good luck brother

[quick cedar]

Godhome 2 will be insane

Itll be like godhome 2

[errant orchid]

took 6 seconds 😭

[worldly lake]

anyways
tips for high halls gauntlet?
fellow witches only (just kidding any advice is good)

[honest veldt]

Instead of pantheons we're gonna get "Symphony"s

[chilly mountain]

Lost sherma ?

[errant orchid]

new godhome is just trobbio putting everyone in a play

[timid sky]

What are you doing playing silksong on mobile

[compact robin]

Threadstorm

[quick cedar]

What if it's actually just godhome

[echo cobalt]

act 4 spoilers

[compact robin]

Iam broke ok
As in no pc

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-elite-elite-ball-elite-ball-knowledge-ball-knowledge-gif-9337371460101398527

[timid sky]

How does one even achieve such a feat

[quick cedar]

Or maybe its hornets memories again

[chilly mountain]

Chapter 29 spoilers

[errant orchid]

and they make shade lord fightable 🔥

[hallow lintel]

I don’t know if I should be upset or impressed I beat the entire game not knowing vesticrests existed

[worldly lake]

pollip heart or volt filament guys

[errant orchid]

i really hope it’s not that

[quick cedar]

Volt filament

[sage glade]

all my homies love redox titrations

[errant orchid]

filament for aura

[hallow lintel]

I only found out about them AFTER I beat Lost Lace

[echo cobalt]

when they add godhome to silksong i can finally beat the fuck out of groal

[honest veldt]

What's y'all's favorite act 4 boss

[compact robin]

Volt filament any day
Pollip is so ass

[chilly mountain]

I only knew when i 100 percented

[timid sky]

Who the fuck is grimm 3

[tall surge]

what stupid things did you guys used to think while palying silksong?
Imma start: i used to think that khann and karmelita were in love or something, i thought the karak and skarrs were the same thing

[chilly mountain]

The roaring knight

[echo cobalt]

grimmobio

[quick cedar]

The moment we get godhome 2 bros running str8 to the groal statue

[timid sky]

Reddit watermark

[hallow lintel]

Sixteenth Chorus

[errant orchid]

i beat the game without knowing mount fay or bilewater existed 😭

[open narwhal]

holy shit i can read like each other word 😭

[sage glade]

erm what

[hallow lintel]

Same, It was the only thing I was missing (I had 99%)

[eternal horizon]

Oh no

[chilly mountain]

Loll

[echo cobalt]

put trobbio next to him so that he's easier to reach

[hallow lintel]

Same

[sage glade]

none of these are real wrods

[errant orchid]

yeah i beat it day one i had one nail upgrade and 6 masks with no wings 😭

[honest veldt]

TROBBIOOOO

[worldly lake]

anyways i use rune rage because i suck at silksong and i don't want to actually aim my silk skills

[chilly mountain]

Go fight lace lil bro

[quick cedar]

okay drab squib

[errant orchid]

i wish they made lace 2 have attacks with the flowers cause they so pretty

[honest veldt]

Imagine rune rage with primal aspid aim

[rich herald]

if you dont want to aim silk skills why not just use pale nails

[worldly lake]

i simply say "go my rune rage" and let the spirit of lumble the lucky go through me

[patent heath]

Since today.

[quick cedar]

Lace 4 in godhome doe👀 👀

[worldly lake]

because i'm still at act 2 bro

[errant orchid]

pale nails is weak aura

[chilly mountain]

Lost togore

[honest veldt]

So Rune rage is basically gambling?

[echo cobalt]

Lace 59 is confirmed act 6

[hallow lintel]

Or act 7?

[chilly mountain]

Gambling WHERE

[quick cedar]

Vespa boss will be crazy

[timid sky]

Everything is gambling if you think harf enough

[chilly mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436830493730541601/1453408111095189604/image0.gif

[hallow lintel]

Herrah boss when?

[worldly lake]

magnetite dice should fr make rune rage aim better

[echo cobalt]

[quick cedar]

Phantom plus lace 1 fight will be crazy

[open narwhal]

never had that this is casual redox reaction

[rich herald]

it now has a 2.2% chance to hit everything

[errant orchid]

i sure hope so

we could king thk rework in there too

[hallow lintel]

Phantom was painfully easy

[honest veldt]

There's assets in game for a boss, guessing it was gonna be in red memory, but got scrapped

[quick cedar]

Dang

[hallow lintel]

Anyone here miss the twisted child ending?

Cuz I didn’t

[timid sky]

How would a red memory bossfight even work

[errant orchid]

the knight boss fight but you’re just hunting fireborn

[ruby agate]

came back to vuma and kiki arena after beating clover dancers and turning verdania into wilting verdania WHO IS THIA

[quick cedar]

I didnt cuz I'm a gamer I do this

[timid sky]

The shamans can only cast the spell once

[misty storm]

Who else loves Beastling call here

[rich herald]

gms while cursed is lowkey pretty fun tho

[errant orchid]

did on my first playthrough cause i didn’t know act 3 was a thing

[hallow lintel]

Aren’t they dead aswell?

[worldly lake]

what if enemies that get caught in rune rage's aoe got stunned for one or two seconds or what that be too much of a buff

[quick cedar]

The cursed binding in silksong will be crazy

[ruby agate]

dude this boss is hard what do I do when they spawn vredanites??

[timid sky]

Git gud

[ruby agate]

buddy

[hallow lintel]

I can honestly see that as a real binding

[rich herald]

this would make it actually useable in more cases so i think this is fine

[echo cobalt]

silk issue

[misty storm]

Beastling call is just a better dreamgate, dreamgate costed 1 essence, and while still not a lot, Beastling call is ABSOLUTELY FREE

[hallow lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[sage glade]

it's a normal titration, but you use compounds which react through redox

[timid sky]

1 silk strand

[errant orchid]

locked behind stupid act 3

[honest veldt]

Here's the sprite sheets that are in the files

[quick cedar]

Beastling call proves hornet is a lazy bum

[misty storm]

True

[echo cobalt]

You're mad about 1 essence? 😭

[ruby agate]

so you're telling me the guys that are for atmosphere can attack when you curse verdania

[rich herald]

good luck getting enemies caught in rune rage AOE though

[errant orchid]

in this economy?

[honest veldt]

You use silk to use needolin

[quick cedar]

I smoked all my essence

[hallow lintel]

Anyone else saw the scrapped bad ending?

[quick cedar]

Yea

[sage glade]

1 essence is worth 402 geos in my currency, so yes

[hallow lintel]

I wish it was still in the game

[open narwhal]

that sounds cool, i took my last chem course this year tho so ill probably have to wait until uni for that 😔

[echo cobalt]

inflation

[elfin pumice]

Chemistry?

[misty storm]

I don’t care about 1 essence since I already have everything in the game but still Beastling call is just a better dreamgate because it costs a resource that can be restored for free by just beating bell beast and getting a silk heart

[errant orchid]

the rosary has destroyed the hk world’s economy

[open narwhal]

yes

[timid sky]

Also what the hell are you doing in act 3 with just 5 masks

[echo cobalt]

👍

[timid sky]

Go back and get some masks

[sage glade]

higher level chemistry is much more fun than memorizing lists of rules and their myriad exceptions in introductory chem

[echo cobalt]

👍

[plucky stag]

i thought the reaper crest was the next evolution of the hunter crest instead of its own thing

[quick cedar]

Chemistry and fun

[elfin pumice]

Looks like a decent mod

[ruby agate]

?? act 3
just beat craggler after leaving shellwood wdym

[hallow lintel]

Which boss did you all struggle on the most (excluding lost lace)

[echo cobalt]

👍

[ruby agate]

moss matriarch

[plucky stag]

groal

[quick cedar]

Karmelita trobbio>

[timid sky]

You said you beat clover dancers

[golden karma]

Unr*velled

[plucky stag]

mind you struggling is not equal to difficulty

[hallow lintel]

This guy gets it

[echo cobalt]

git gud bro

[errant orchid]

seth was most attempts by like 10

[ruby agate]

yea? they're the final boss of blooming verdania

[golden karma]

Worst boss in the game fuck unravelled

[elfin pumice]

Moss mother

[hallow lintel]

There was no reason to make karmelita significantly harder than khann and nyleth

[ruby agate]

after beating the arena with vuma and kiki

[golden karma]

Yeah seth was hard too

[errant orchid]

truth nuke

[golden karma]

ONLY boss i used architect cheese for

[hallow lintel]

Not even that hard

[quick cedar]

Worst boss in the game is trobbio1

[hallow lintel]

Unraveled is just annoying

[echo cobalt]

😡

[worldly lake]

raging conchfly is currently my least favorite boss and i think it is underhated

[errant orchid]

they had other gimmicks at least

[hallow lintel]

I always run into it on accident

[elfin pumice]

Chill

[kindred gust]

I think its just nyleth and khann were always easier considering they're reused act 1 bosses

[quick cedar]

Trobbio is what people think gpz is

[echo cobalt]

it's a joke oml

[quick cedar]

Ttrobbio is goated tho

[hallow lintel]

It reminds me of enraged guardian and I love that boss

[elfin pumice]

Chill

[plucky stag]

in a vacuum yes, but in the context of having the walkback (even cut in half via the hidden bench) it's different

[hallow lintel]

But trobbio isn’t even that annoying

[echo cobalt]

I once got banned for doing an angry emote in a server

crazy

[elfin pumice]

Chill then

[elfin pumice]

Become a goose

[rocky jolt]

karmelita is locked behind an easy gauntlet nyleth is locked behind a fairly difficult boss and khann is locked behind a whole tower of gauntlets

[velvet cape]

Grrrr

[open narwhal]

hopefully it is 🙏

[hallow lintel]

Wdym

[sage widget]

I love him too he my favorite thespian

[hallow lintel]

And their gimmicks aren’t even that hard to deal with

[marsh spoke]

i would argue really that her being called a child even after the cradle isnt really indicative that she thinks like one but rather
a) of her childish behaviour (messing up everything to strike back at her mother). This I think can go either way, you could chalk that up to her being a kid and be done with it but I personally think her behaviour moreso stems in general from her anger with her mother about the abuse she was put through, so she retaliates which is viewed as childish. Is her lashing out mature? No but I don't think that it cements her as a child, rather that she's acting irrationally because of her feelings towards her mother. Not that this can't be true if she is a child but what I'm arguing is that it's true regardless
b) i think her being called child is also moreso because she's the child of the monarch. Regardless of what she actually thinks she plays the role of the child of GMS up until the very end so again I don't think this is that indicative of anything
as regarding caretaker's comment
most people would probably say that he's lying and unreliable but i just think it's more that he's analysing her from the surface. If i saw someone acting immaturely, I would also assume they were a child or just stupid but that doesn't necessarily have to be true. It's not that caretaker is lying it's that he lacks information because i dont think hed go have a chat with the girl thats killing everybody in the citadel
i could be wrong and unintentionally leaving out shit but this is how i read it. i would like to reiterate that just because i view it this way doesnt mean its 1) true 2) that you should too, i think its fine to have different interpretations and i like talking about them
@fiery burrow if you are interested to read. i dont think i have much else to add thats not going back and forth, also i am quite tired

[errant orchid]

karm gauntlet is why she ain’t even allay