sk-discussion

[split urchin]

do yall know if anyone has done crestless because it's definitely possible with glitches

[earnest drift]

is straight pin bad

[upper lark]

And he keeps bumping the boss into me so I take damage

[undone gate]

Curvesickles just destroys stationary enemies

[icy crow]

Works best for enemies with larger hitboxes though of course

[limber jungle]

dont use multihit tools against phantom WHAT are you doing

[golden karma]

Is threefold pin up to standard or nah

[timber beacon]

I mean technically yeah since that happened but at the same time it was comically stupid

[limber jungle]

2 blue slots for 1 extra mask of healing 🧌

[earnest drift]

some usually amazing tools like voltvessels and conchcutter are ineffective against small hitbox, high speed bosses like lost lace

[soft belfry]

1 is a lot

[icy crow]

Putrified Ducts will be no issue with those fat ass enemies if I just bring Curveclaw in

[earnest drift]

for that straight pin might be viable

[raw pawn]

Delver's drill is pretty good too (when my enemy doesn't instantly move away when I try to drill them)

[compact robin]

I feel bad For those two they were just freed

[coarse leaf]

for being the first tool you can get in the game, it does it's job as straightforward as any tool
throw it, it deals some damage, groundbreaking stuff

[earnest drift]

in lategame?

[limber jungle]

no it is NOT 😭

[soft belfry]

Not if you heal like 6 times or more

[coarse leaf]

it's quickly overshadowed but that's completely alright

[earnest drift]

i still use it against lost lace because her hitbox is too small for stuff like curvesickle

[undone gate]

I don't think it's that good late game other than haveing a high capacity

[split urchin]

don't use basically any non-buff red tools on small mobile bosses lowk it's more worthwhile to just focus on needle and silk skills

[icy crow]

I bought Cave Story+ some hours ago

[limber jungle]

you could be using those blue slots for volt filament, quick sling (which is kinda busted imo), or sawtooth circlet

[earnest drift]

cogflies, flintslate, flea brew and tacks all probably work better than straight pin on lace but idc

[compact robin]

I used to think multibinder was not that good but now i just keep using it more n more

[coarse leaf]

yea for pollip pouch abuse ig
not like the pouch's damage is almost meaningless lol

[raw pawn]

Use shaman and kill the boss with spells only (and don't use the heal or you will die)

[earnest drift]

plus i want to use pollip pouch even if it sucks

[icy crow]

Do we have a tool that lets Hornet deal freeze damage

[raw pawn]

Pollip pouch makes your tools ourple

[icy crow]

Or is there none yet

[patent kestrel]

steam sales my beloved

[lofty shell]

updated tier list

[earnest drift]

pollip pouch synergy tierlist

conchcutter might have to be lower

[icy crow]

A Hat in Time is still expensive here despite the sales, it's crazy

[limber jungle]

if you need to be healing 6 times in a single fight then thats on you tbh

[patent kestrel]

tragic

[undone gate]

Isin't pollip pouch flea brew synergy better than pollip pouch Flintslate synergy

[limber jungle]

pollip pouch is beyond ass

[soft belfry]

It's very easy to get enough silk

[earnest drift]

marginally, it still sucks

[raw pawn]

Is it just me or conchcutter always hits the enemy lmao

That's probably why those driznits are so annoying

[split urchin]

pollip pouch is fine its singleplayer everything is viable

[icy crow]

Around 50 BRL

[upper lark]

I genuinely hate moorwing. I'm so close and it just has to throw like 5 saws at me

[compact robin]

Beast crest let's FUCKING gooo

[limber jungle]

yeah, and you just stated ANOTHER reason as to why multibinder injector bands is kinda poopy

[undone gate]

For Flintslate it literally makes it worce while for flea brew it makes it slightly better

[earnest drift]

yeah but a measly +6 dmg at the very end is still enough to land it in D tier

[raw pawn]

Why the heck does it nerf flintslate that's too stupid

Did they think having both poison and fire will be too op

[icy crow]

Multibinder + Injector Band works really well if you just have slots for them to use them

Healing four masks gaming

[undone gate]

I mean like pollip pouch Flintslate synergy should be in F-tier

[zealous elk]

EXACTLY he fucking sucks man probably the worst early game boss

[limber jungle]

I just realized I kinda sound like a asshole throughout this entire conversation

[icy crow]

Bro forgot Radiant Mossgrub

[solemn tapir]

Guys I need help in smth. Just why

[limber jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[solemn tapir]

...

[split urchin]

tools are overrated crests are overrated needle is overrated skills are overrated cloak is overrated make lacenet canon and have hornet fix her mommy issues with her bare god damn hands

[cold trellis]

You pirate it, didn’t you?

[soft belfry]

Could also run memory crystal, fractured or magma bell, longclaw (maybe not for tool build), druid tears ig

[icy crow]

What the hell lol

[undone gate]

Moorwing is not a fun boss it's also really boring Sister Splinter is so much better

[solemn tapir]

Don't tell anyone

Delete

[raw pawn]

achievement text

[cold trellis]

You literally just exposed yourself 😭

[limber jungle]

memory crystal, magma bell and druid's eye 🧌

[icy crow]

Moorwing becomes really easy once you learn his attack patterns honestly

[solemn tapir]

💔

[zealous elk]

sister splinter is fire

[limber jungle]

nvm im done keep running injector bands multibind idgaf anymore 😭

[icy crow]

Do you guys agree this DLC should bring a tool that allows Hornet to deal freeze damage offensively

[solemn tapir]

So is there any hope?

[soft belfry]

Magma bell can come in clutch sometimes

[undone gate]

I don't mean he is hard I mean that he is boring

[solemn tapir]

Or do I need the original

[soft belfry]

I recommend deleting the screenshot and not seeking help from discord

[cold trellis]

You need the original for the achievement to pop up (aka buying it legitimately). But achievement is just a fancy title anyway

[icy crow]

Probably a boss to be considered in Steel Soul though, slipping on a banana peel could make him end your run

[raw pawn]

Groal will be a playable character in the dlc btw (real)

[solemn tapir]

Awww ;(

I'll think about it

[undone gate]

I don't know why you wouldn't go the wormways route in steel soul

[golden karma]

Lost Clearwater where you get to fight groal when he wasn't dirty and bloated by soul

[split urchin]

not really from my experience i've never died to him in steel soul

[icy crow]

What if I'm doing a 100% run

[cold trellis]

You already got 99% of the content for free anyway

[solemn tapir]

The groms

[solemn tapir]

I just want the looks

[raw pawn]

What if the dlc entrance is from bilewater

[solemn tapir]

Groms are a pain in the ass

[undone gate]

Moorwing is fully optional you can just kill him in Act 2

[icy crow]

Pharloom Bay will be, the other additional areas not sure

[icy crow]

I mean yeah, but I would still want a challenge either way. My current save file skipped him due to the Flea Caravan, now I want to do it the other way around

[cold trellis]

Sister splinter is fun but Moorwig is boring? You know, Moorwig moveset is way more diverse while sister splinter got 2 real moves add summon minions that can be Oneshot with silk spear

[worldly umbra]

my guess is that one of the areas is gonna be inside a whole building

[solemn tapir]

Ok so basically which place feels better (cogwork core or lost verdania)

[soft belfry]

But moor is bitch

[raw pawn]

Verdania

[solemn tapir]

Moor is ass

[upper lark]

Are we talking about the same moorwing

[solemn tapir]

Especially on ss run

[split urchin]

the main roadblocks in SS in my experience have been widow, the mist, and kinda sorta not really the choir

[cold trellis]

In order to attain something you must lose something in return, such is the way of the pirate

[solemn tapir]

If you are willing to kill yourself do act 3 in ss

[split urchin]

moor is a nonissue he's like one of 3 bosses that I've beaten hitless crestless

[soft belfry]

I can do broodmother, lugoli, normal trobbio and lace 2, hitless gms, but moorwing still makes me crash out

[icy crow]

Act 1/2 Moorwing

[undone gate]

Being more diverse doesn't make him more interesting also he has like just a lunge, sword attacks and sawblades

[solemn tapir]

Ah ok

[raw pawn]

Oh you still have more to see

[solemn tapir]

Lost lace laughing

[upper lark]

Excuse me. WHAT DO YOU MEAN HES IN ACT 2

[solemn tapir]

[split urchin]

I'm talking about beating the game, I haven't yet done steel heart

[icy crow]

I doubt it honestly, but that would be nice either way. Definitely not the Lifeblood Spire since that's a sub-area of Pharloom Bay itself

[solemn tapir]

You fight him again

[soft belfry]

If you skip it you can return to fight it in act 2

[undone gate]

For me Trobbio was harder than the Choir

[rancid stag]

fight it

[icy crow]

Moorwing can be skipped in act one and he changes locations in act two

[solemn tapir]

You can fight moor twice

[nova summit]

Fuck you groal the great bitch

[raw pawn]

If you travel with the flea caravan he disappears but reappears in act 2

[split urchin]

why would you skip him though

[upper lark]

But if he fight him in one he won't show up in two

[night ruin]

How’s it going chat

[undone gate]

You also have 2 ways to skip him

[icy crow]

Needle Phial GO!

[solemn tapir]

Ah you're right

[ivory blaze]

who needs a tree topper

[soft belfry]

You cannot ?

[solemn tapir]

But wait I got a weird thing

[undone gate]

Or if you go the Wormways route

[cold trellis]

Being more diverse doesn’t make the boss more interesting? That new

[split urchin]

one flaw lace is anything but a top

[icy crow]

If I enter Bellhart from the other side iirc

[solemn tapir]

Why doesn't the flea cook moor even though I killed him in fotf

[limber jungle]

im from frown town and I thought about the numbers of each blue tool a lil too harrd

[upper lark]

Right?

[subtle rain]

"GARAMA"

[solemn tapir]

...

[soft belfry]

You have to get to act 3 for them to cook iirc

[ivory blaze]

yes that’s chloe

[solemn tapir]

I'm in act 3 and I finished the game

Still they cook muckroach

[raw pawn]

Let them cook 🗣️

[undone gate]

I mean he has more attacks but the attacks themselves are less interesting

[patent kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336485320924860457/1451415973713154239/attachment.gif

[ivory blaze]

pretty cat..

[soft belfry]

In ducts what are they cooking

If you killed moor before they came, the meat is big

[icy crow]

Doesn't cook Moorwing if he's skipped in act one

[nova summit]

Fuck this guy

[solemn tapir]

I killed moor before they went to fleatopia

[icy crow]

Choir Bellbearer typa shi

[solemn tapir]

Aw fuck

[soft belfry]

You need to kill before they reach greymoor

[lofty shell]

at least he is more fun than seth

[solemn tapir]

Shit

[mental snow]

https://youtu.be/WcoCrUNRE8g

[limber jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/oye-cat-enough-stop-petting-gif-8639785326678511628

[oblique patio]

I BEAT KARMELITA BEST CHRISTMAS GIFT EVER

[raw pawn]

What about Kroal the Kreat

[split urchin]

again why are we skipping moorwing

[night ruin]

Don’t like Seth?

[solemn tapir]

I got 100 on dodge

[nova summit]

Groal the great bitch

[worldly umbra]

fuck axis from undertale yellow

[undone gate]

Cause why not

[solemn tapir]

Fuck vog

[night ruin]

Cause it’s fun

[cold trellis]

So you think sister splinter punches and minion summon is more interesting somehow?

[rancid stag]

why

[night ruin]

It comes back anyway so it’s not like you truly miss it.

[soft belfry]

I wanted to finish all quests before returning to moorwing

[compact robin]

Early threadstorm is so nice to have

[solemn tapir]

Flea dodge is ass before and after seth

[golden karma]

Most of us can agree watcher of the edge is mediocre at best right

[split urchin]

moorwing is fun and lovely and a beautiful baby boy who deserves his pets

[soft belfry]

Was a blind playthrough atp

[nova summit]

Wisp thicket is such a pointless area

[undone gate]

I mean she changes the arena with her vines and minions with a fast and swift melee attack to keep things interesting

[compact robin]

Ehh a little

[raw pawn]

Fuck voided Shakira

Worst boss in the game

[solemn tapir]

Fuck vog and Seth
I got 100 on flea dodge

[icy crow]

He's hard until made easy (literally)

[undone gate]

He is pretty fun

[night ruin]

I struggled with the flea games

[raw pawn]

What did vog do lol

[solemn tapir]

Exists

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-yellow-axis-axis-014-uty-undertale-yellow-axis-gif-1859801621614243196

[limber jungle]

why is he so long, this cat is weird....

[icy crow]

I've beat all of Seth's scores today by a few points higher

[night ruin]

Is that…

[solemn tapir]

Undertale yellow memes in hk server

[versed prawn]

if these kitten change their angles...

[split urchin]

ai cat swastika okay bro

[subtle rain]

😭

[nova summit]

I’m sorry but why did they take out Marloon bay but kept wisp thicket

A boring as shit area

[solemn tapir]

Axis is ahh

[upper lark]

I hate moorwing. Nothing works against him. He just sits there and spams his saw attack

[worldly umbra]

true

[solemn tapir]

Geno is ass in uty

[lofty shell]

most overrated boss ever
the fight feels like an unnecessary pushover before nyeleth
he feels like a random NPC fight like garmond and shakra

[golden karma]

"Marloon" bay is coming back soon anyways

[upper lark]

He once did saw attacks like 6 times in a row

[night ruin]

<@&283547423706447872>

[raw pawn]

Why do people hate wisp thicket? I think wisp thicket is pretty cool

[undone gate]

I only did neutral and Axis was really fun

[soft belfry]

Ig it was finished

[versed prawn]

hater

[solemn tapir]

I mean if he doesn't block shit it's good

[nova summit]

Pointless area

[night ruin]

?

[worldly umbra]

axis took me like 50 attempts bruh

[solemn tapir]

Wisp lantern is ass anyway

[split urchin]

i mean again its an ai cat swastika hate is warrented

[icy crow]

It has two items required for 100% and about one or two fleas, that's all to it worth exploring

[soft belfry]

FotF kinda fun in hindsight tho

[nova summit]

Literally why couldn’t it be something else

[night ruin]

What a concept

[nova summit]

I got one of them

[ivory blaze]

nice aesthetic but ultimately seems pointless to most imo

[golden karma]

Assuming hk bugs are indeed bug sized how big would the citadel be compared to a huamn ive been thinking abt this. For a bit

[night ruin]

Omg hi eru

[ivory blaze]

hi

[night ruin]

Termite mound

[soft belfry]

Thanks mods

[ivory blaze]

i have to redeem myself from embarrassment

[nova summit]

I discovered hunters march just before I reached the final boss and jr was easy for me lmao

[lofty shell]

why do people even post so much about the austrian germany man so much here

[undone gate]

If you know how to pogo properly then it's pretty fun

[quick cedar]

Its probably thiiiiiis big

[solemn tapir]

The huge flea fight was disappointing

[split urchin]

wisp thicket is troupecel grimmbait flameslop

[soft belfry]

I threadstormed them

[icy crow]

• Mask Shard
• Tool I forgot the name lmao (Wispfire Lantern?)
• Flea(s?)
• Memory Locket (?)

[versed prawn]

ok

[undone gate]

It isin't meant to be a boss

[storm basin]

what if hornet was PURPLE instead of BORING red

[subtle rain]

D drill my beloved

[night ruin]

Damn really? I thought it one of my favorite fights of act 3

[nova summit]

I got all

[raw pawn]

I discovered hunter's march right after the marrow

And I went there without dash

And got my ass kicked

[compact robin]

What's wrong with lil iron dude

[ivory blaze]

mod it fr

[split urchin]

canon event

[solemn tapir]

Skarsgard is ass

[lofty shell]

radiant markoth is a better fight

[worldly umbra]

this cool tool?

[night ruin]

Idkwytb

[soft belfry]

Silk heart max with weavelight 💀

[golden karma]

Not all fire has to be grimm troupe related gng

[undone gate]

Which I do agree Seth is easy I do think he is really fun

[icy crow]

Y'all be forgetting the ground-pound item smh

[solemn tapir]

Make sure to stay alive

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade3-xenoblade-mio-mio-xenoblade-kekkkys-gif-26349409

[soft belfry]

Yas

[undone gate]

Radient Markoth is an unfair boss

[soft belfry]

You would have to stay alive either way

[solemn tapir]

Fuck you would expect from no hit

[soft belfry]

All methods of winning against fotf need staying alive

[golden karma]

Who else shed neon blue tears when they fought plasmified zango

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/kneesocks-paswg-psg-walking-down-gif-13311351

[split urchin]

okay they have guys in little red hoods doing weird evil shit rituals with their wicked crimson flame

[solemn tapir]

Zango is useless

[soft belfry]

*white

[split urchin]

close enough

[solemn tapir]

The fuck

[soft belfry]

I somehow won against zango with max focus

[nova summit]

My top 5 hardest bosses phantom took 2 weeks

[cold trellis]

Her fight kind of just stays the same for the entire round, she doesn’t change much, her attacks are…well, mind mumbling easy to get around. Moorwig is an objectively very well design boss, it is a skill check that forced you to utilize all of your kit if you follow the normal progression, I love how his saw blades pattern change in the later phase. Also a Bonus point since you can get Zaza involved in the fight, which obviously make the world has more depth in it.

[soft belfry]

Phase 4 arena was white somehow

[subtle rain]

Phantom took me 2 tri- me too.. yeah.

[solemn tapir]

Trobbio is NOT hard

[nova summit]

Fuck trobbio man he was so stressful

[solemn tapir]

The fuck you drinking

[limber jungle]

phantom took me till my 3rd try holy skill issue 😭

[cold trellis]

2 weeks for phantom…

[solemn tapir]

Trobbio is unarguably one of the best 10 fights in silksong

[ivory blaze]

beat up groal in 20 seconds

[icy crow]

What makes Trobbio hard is the unnecessary amount of flashing lights in the screen

[quick cedar]

Phantom took me 2 tries holy skill issue

[ivory blaze]

curve claw clutch

[split urchin]

difficulty is subjective I dont find trobbio difficult anymore but I hated him first playthrough

[nova summit]

First savage beast fly was a joke because I didn’t do it till my third needle upgrade lmao

[limber jungle]

I think saying skill issue is corny as fuck but phantom for 2 weeks is unheard of

[raw pawn]

Phantom felt more peak than lace 2

[golden karma]

Zango was the only highlight of silksong. His arena design, his complex and extremely fun attacks, his beautiful theme, and most importantly the backstory cutscene after defeating him. When he said "Dude i gotta plant the seeds n shit" I genuinely started crying. As soon as TC adds a vanilla way to replay bosses I'm sure all I'll be doing is replaying that fight over and over again.

[solemn tapir]

Good luck on sb 2

[undone gate]

For me Trobbio was the hardest main boss is the game

[icy crow]

Phantom only took me one attempt iirc

She's really x10 easier than Last Judge

[nova summit]

Killed it

[quick cedar]

Trobbio is genuinely the hardest boss ever

[nova summit]

It took a lot of tries though

[solemn tapir]

Nice

[soft belfry]

I put on magma bell for trobbio 1 and won

As it turns out the bell doesn't help

The placebo did

[solemn tapir]

Fourth chorus arena

What did you expect

[soft belfry]

Sb2 is so fun

[nova summit]

I’m on this bitch now before I fight the grand mother silk

[quick cedar]

Tormented trobbio took me 3 tries normal trobbio took me like 4 days

[undone gate]

It is really hard but there are harder bosses

[rancid stag]

for tormented trobbio i didn't care if i died or not i liked seeing the intro

[icy crow]

Protip throw a Pimpillo or Voltvessel when he tries to gobble you up

[subtle rain]

Just jump in his mouth with multibinder wanderer crest

[quick cedar]

Theres 1 and its karmelita

[solemn tapir]

It's the same fight with fuckass diagonal bombs

[split urchin]

I love the choir so much dude

[ivory blaze]

he’s so dramatic i love it

[limber jungle]

why people consider zango a boss I just saw him as a myla but its a original enemy

[nova summit]

I’m on my way to getting the Druid eyes rn

[quick cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-boss-trobbio-tormented-trobbio-gif-3458505690224110

[raw pawn]

I somehow beat tormented Trobbio in 3 attempts while Trobbio took me 7 attempts

[undone gate]

I am surprised people do Bilewater before GMS

[soft belfry]

Because he can somewhat effectively kill you

[golden karma]

Title card

[icy crow]

He has technically different attacks

[hexed sigil]

Small title screen I guess?

[quick cedar]

Literally me

[solemn tapir]

Same attack patterb

[solemn tapir]

Nuh uh who said that

[golden karma]

The craggler is flowkirkenuinely more of a boss than zango can ever hope to be

[undone gate]

For me it's the same Trobbio took way more attempts than Tormented

[nova summit]

I cheesed lace 2 by climbing on the right wall 90% of the time

[solemn tapir]

Craggler is a fuckass

[icy crow]

Some of his attacks are tweaked overall

[hexed sigil]

Oh wsg haystacks

[limber jungle]

if you die to zango then thats actually kinda sad

[split urchin]

gms was actually pretty tough for me but now I'm locked in

[earnest drift]

no

[subtle rain]

Holy true

[quick cedar]

Yes

[cold trellis]

Name drop, battle cry, insane health pool, all the requirement to be a boss

[golden karma]

Hi
My mute is over i'm on an alt because discord wanted to label me a spammer for some reason.

[raw pawn]

I mean Zango also spams balls

[icy crow]

Craggler deadass thinks he's part of the team meanwhile his name doesn't even show up

[undone gate]

GMS is really tough when cursed

[solemn tapir]

Uh @subtle rain can you stop reacting on my shit and come

[soft belfry]

My friend practiced for hours to perfectly parry all of lace 2 attacks

I tried to dissuade him, he was convinced it would help in future

Lost Lace can't be parried 💀

[golden karma]

Zango has no slowdown and boss defeat animation. He uses the animation used by larger enemies. Craggler has both a slowdown and a proper boss defeat animation

[solemn tapir]

I buy a map for 200 rosaries

[hexed sigil]

oh

[nova summit]

I attempted first sinner and was like fuck that then I left after the first try

[solemn tapir]

On this server

[split urchin]

it's been so long since ive actually used a crest that I forgot parries were a thing

[soft belfry]

It's my first metroidvania I never played hk

[solemn tapir]

Best with wander crest

[icy crow]

You want the whole zoomed out map? Sure, give me the rosaries first

[soft belfry]

I die to moss mother

[golden karma]

Go play it brah

[rancid stag]

you've been doing crestless?

[undone gate]

Only the white trail melee attacks and some projectile attacks can be parried

[solemn tapir]

gives all of my life savings

[earnest drift]

craggler has one attack

[icy crow]

There you go cro

[split urchin]

yea just the bosses tho

[nova summit]

I skipped last judge lmao I wonder if I can fight her now

[solemn tapir]

The best thing is the beast bind now can bypass parry attacks

[soft belfry]

He can parry the dash and sometimes the 3 hit

[golden karma]

Moss charger, soul warrior, and vengefly king all made it in despite not having a name show up. Craggler will be in the boss rush dlc mark my words

[cold trellis]

You can

[split urchin]

I'm going to route out a genuine playthrough using mms to skip hardlocks

[solemn tapir]

Rickroll dirty one

[golden karma]

So does flukemarm
Is she not considered a boss?

[soft belfry]

He was lowk insane at it, but it was useless for void enemies

[undone gate]

It has a white trail so it is parriable

[icy crow]

Will be in the DLC just to be shredded in 0.5 seconds 🥀

[golden karma]

Like half the warrior dreams just use a single attack

[soft belfry]

How does beast bind work with clawline only

[crimson crag]

guys i js got silksong is it gonna be peak

[golden karma]

Zango only has like one proper attack the other one is just a pathetic chud dash

[hexed sigil]

nah those dont count fr

[raw pawn]

What about an arena that has 2 skarrgards

[solemn tapir]

Wdym

[golden karma]

They're in godhome

[icy crow]

No that's actually the map smh

[hexed sigil]

grrr

[solemn tapir]

No wau

[limber jungle]

ok nvm thats fair but I still dont think it being your first metroidvania is a excuse to die to a boss that sits around spits out blue shit all over the screen tbh.....

[cold trellis]

I mean, palestag got one real attack if you don’t count teleportation…

[soft belfry]

If I am modded and can only attack with clawline, would beast bind allow clawline to be faster or do more dmg

[soft belfry]

He dashed into me the blobs rarely hit me

[torn token]

I hate flea juggle so much

[solemn tapir]

Idk

[undone gate]

People who complain about Silksong bosses need to realize that HK has like 8 bosses with just 1 attack

[solemn tapir]

Use hunter crest

[torn token]

Lost a 55 run because I went off the platform

[earnest drift]

hollow knight is a bad game

[solemn tapir]

Wide attack radius

[golden karma]

Palestag is indisputably a boss

[soft belfry]

Not shaman?

[torn token]

Beast is objectively better

[solemn tapir]

Shaman is slower

[golden karma]

The same standards should apply to the sequel regardless of what you think

[soft belfry]

Oh ok

[solemn tapir]

They are the same

[earnest drift]

craggler doesn't have a title card and is just an obstacle

[icy crow]

Cannot believe she was EVIL...

[raw pawn]

How much do you need to beat Seth?

[torn token]

Beast has a longer range

[solemn tapir]

Insta boss fight

[golden karma]

The Craggler is a boss which does not have its name show up for some uncertain reason

[torn token]

56...

[solemn tapir]

How

[solemn tapir]

It's easy

[torn token]

Fym how? It has a longer range

[solemn tapir]

Just lock in

[raw pawn]

Wait if you beat seth's scores before he comes to fleatopia does he just give you the memento lmao

[golden karma]

Massive moss charger made it into godhome as a boss

[cold trellis]

Because it was so unknown 💔

[icy crow]

Pretty sure because it's not intended to be a boss at all lol

You can run away at any moment

[golden karma]

Also craggler actually gives a boss reward

[earnest drift]

hollow knight sucks though

[solemn tapir]

A beast shard. Fuck you

[night ruin]

Wild

[golden karma]

You can run away from Seth and the Watcher at the Edge

[undone gate]

Beast does have higher normal base range and it's range after binding is insane

[soft belfry]

Counterpoint a lot of bosses don't

[golden karma]

And zango too

[raw pawn]

Beast shards suck so much

[torn token]

Architect users dream of those

[earnest drift]

when we get silksong godhome i bet craggler will absolutely not be included as a boss

[icy crow]

I mean yeah, but those have title cards

[golden karma]

It's still something

[soft belfry]

And moorwing

[cold trellis]

HK catching all these strays 💔

[limber jungle]

zango too

[golden karma]

Yeah
Is moorwing not a boss?

[earnest drift]

hopefully not

[solemn tapir]

Alright listen to this description I gave to the arch crest

[timber beacon]

Ngl i love the cragglites,they're adorable

[golden karma]

They're gonna put zango in and give him ten times the health sorry guys

[raw pawn]

Rhinogrund is the elite enemy that feels like a boss

[night ruin]

Never say never

[soft belfry]

*regen

[icy crow]

Holy 40 Needle Phial strikes

[golden karma]

Ong craggler is getting in

[torn token]

Does beating Seth give a memento?

[raw pawn]

Absolute Zango

[solemn tapir]

ARCHITECT'S CREST

Shred your enemies and your pockets

[golden karma]

Im half and half about the huge flea getting in
I'm not sure why it isn't really more of an actual boss to begin with it's weird

Huge flea couldve easily been a full on fight with music and what not

[torn token]

Kinda forgot what I'm doing at the flea festival

[icy crow]

If you beat all his scores, yes

[night ruin]

I hope we get a gif home equivalent to platforming. Maybe a proper path of pain

[limber jungle]

the fatass husk before false knight is more of a boss than zango

[torn token]

:(

[icy crow]

That's just a bulky enemy though

[solemn tapir]

The hunters momento is arguably the hardest to get

[golden karma]

This but unironically

[raw pawn]

If the big flea appeared in the pantheons it will be so funny

[torn token]

I've only beaten his flea bounce score

[solemn tapir]

I took 5 hours to complete the journal

[limber jungle]

im also being unironic

[rancid stag]

WANDERER'S CREST

BASICALLY BECOME YOUR HALF BROTHER

[soft belfry]

I stood in the corner and walloped it

[cold trellis]

Very Time consuming yes

[golden karma]

I think Zango's title card should be taken away. And the Craggler should get one to be known as the actual closest thing we have to a wormways boss

[undone gate]

It's the longest not hardest

[raw pawn]

Actually I think shaman fits this more

[mental arch]

the craggler has to take the cake as the best boss team cherry has ever made

[native canyon]

it's crazy how the "ultimate" platforming challenge in silksong (surface climb) is basically just a clawline tutorial... which is also what mount fay is

[limber jungle]

zango is so nothing to where I think its not even a boss at all

[golden karma]

I don't even really gaf about the craggler itself i just think it should be recognized that it is basically a boss and more of a boss than zango

[icy crow]

Hardest is probably Guardian's Memento because my god his scores are shit

[solemn tapir]

BEAST CREST

When life hates you just rage

[night ruin]

Idk why they frying you for this

[quick cedar]

Wormway boss shouldve been a worm in a car

[solemn tapir]

You literally go back and forth on the bench for shit

[cold trellis]

Very rage inducing

[native canyon]

I think it works for mount fay, a true test of your timing with clawline in order to obtain your final movement upgrade, but surface climb should've been more

[icy crow]

One slip-up and boom you lose all your mistake chances at once

[solemn tapir]

I agree

[icy crow]

Gotta love it when there are four fleas on screen

[native canyon]

the best platforming in the game is cogwork core and abyss escape

[night ruin]

I have hope that this won’t be the definitive platforming challenge for long. Especially with underwater on the way

[solemn tapir]

I got 96 on dodge on THE LAST FRAME

[rancid stag]

WITCH CREST

you really went to bilewater for this?

[undone gate]

Abyss Escape is amazing but it's really easy

[raw pawn]

Craw memento is peak (idc I love crawfather)

[native canyon]

it definitely won't be

[solemn tapir]

Used clawline

[earnest drift]

hollow knight bosses are actually so ass no wonder people hate pantheon 5

[native canyon]

I'd argue it's harder than surface climb because there's at least the possibility of death

[gusty urchin]

hornet's voicelines are memes. how come seth's arent theyre 3x as funny

[night ruin]

Depends on tedium tbh. I don’t wanna grind like that

[solemn tapir]

HUNTER CREST

as in the name. Hunt

[undone gate]

Also P5 is long which just makes it more boring

[golden karma]

Path of pain was dlc so I definitely think the ultimate silksong platforming test will be in a dlc area

[cold trellis]

The thing, you’ve already been doing Hunter momento from the start of the game (I mean cmon, who doesn’t kill a bunch of normal enemies during their playthrough). And in the late game, you just need to check to see if you are missing any enemies. Guardian momento is unexpected and rage-inducing

[night ruin]

Really? I struggled (joyfully) with it a lot

[native canyon]

here's hoping

[solemn tapir]

In vaults you're dying of exhaustion

[golden karma]

Honestly hollow knight's boss roster and silksong's are very comparable

[limber jungle]

anyways if we get anything similar to pantheons I hope the final boss for each pantheon is a previous boss but in their prime (im only asking for this just to fight phantom in her prime)

[native canyon]

path of pain is still the best platforming hollow knight has to offer and that's kinda sad because silksong's movement is so addicting

[undone gate]

Silksong does have better bosses mostly

[undone gate]

I mean Path Of Pain is DLC

[golden karma]

Both games have a lot of incredible peak fiction bosses and also just pathetic ones with 1 or two attacks

[rocky jolt]

phantom is fine tbh

[night ruin]

Mount fay was straight butane and I will die on this hill

[icy crow]

Don't worry guys City of Steel will have its own ultimate platforming challenge

[raw pawn]

Path of shaws

[solemn tapir]

Let's say you're a pro at the festival. You will take probably an hour to finish it. Compare it to 235 ENEMIES AND 235 NOTES

[golden karma]

I would say yeah but act 3 had a lot of underwhelming side bosses

[limber jungle]

and when did I say phantom was a bad boss

[night ruin]

I sincerely believe this

[golden karma]

Phantom is a very good boss

[rocky jolt]

i dont think they need a stronger version

[golden karma]

You guys think city of the steel will be citadel esque with its own subareas

[earnest drift]

dogshit silksong bosses:
moss mother, zango, pale stag

dogshit hollow knight bosses:
flukemarm, massive moss charger, gruz mother, vengefly king, all seven dream warriors

[rocky jolt]

just gonna be lace 2.0 at that point

[undone gate]

For me Act 3 bosses were really good I didn't attempt that much side bosses

[rancid stag]

SHAMAN CREST

USE RANGE WHEN FOR A MELEE WEAPON, MAKES TOTAL SENSE

[icy crow]

I cannot expect any less from a DLC that will bring steel enemies and Sharpe after my ass

[solemn tapir]

CRESTLESS

atp open an OF for ts

[cold trellis]

Keyword: Pro.
You are NOT a pro on your first playthrough. And it take a little skill for you to collect all the Hunter journal (And we can also just not count the enemies that we don’t need, like palestag

[night ruin]

I’m sure with all the dlcs we will get people who are unimpressed. Gamers be like that. Hope is a choice

[gusty urchin]

REAPER CREST

REAP SOUL AND REAP SUFFERING

[icy crow]

City of Steel is probably outside Pharloom, though since Sharpe will chase Hornet in Pharloom it's not like we'll go there that early

[native canyon]

it's a nice final test for clawline

[solemn tapir]

There are a few to miss. Shakra, garmond, and verdania

[golden karma]

I'd add watcher at the edge, garmond and zaza, lost garmond (To an extent), voltwyrm

[rancid stag]

THE SCHLATT CREST

REACT TO ANY ENEMY IN ANY WAY

[icy crow]

For the new areas in Sea of Sorrow I'm expecting a volt themed area for the hell of it

[golden karma]

Dream warriors are a very niche kind of boss and silksong has no real equivalent to them so it's kinda unfair

[undone gate]

Watcher at the edge is still better than all the dream warriors

[raw pawn]

Kinda weird that the crest that's called "reaper" doesn't leech

[native canyon]

architect is the best silksong mod because you get to have cool platforming in a game that's missing a proper white palace

[icy crow]

Shakra and Garmond are not mandatory for the Hunter's Memento

[golden karma]

I mean the dream warriors feel more like an actual battle

[limber jungle]

no I just want the steel assassins to appear in every area in the game and jump you

[solemn tapir]

Ik

[night ruin]

Void escape was great too, but we def need a real final challenge. I honestly forgot path of pain was dlc. This makes me hopeful that tc won’t be done making platforming challenges

[timber beacon]

BEAST CREST

-# You feel it deep within,Just beneath the skin.

[golden karma]

I'm still so confused why they just didn't give some fights any music. Watcher of the edge could've used a pre existing track at least

[undone gate]

But they aren't even as complex as Watcher At The Edge

[solemn tapir]

WITCH CREST

you feel something tingling you

[night ruin]

Skong pantheon will surely have platforming bosses too. I doubt the arenas will be copied 1:1

[golden karma]

Watcher at the edge has like 2 attacks

[cold trellis]

Cause watcher at the edge is aura themselves, they ain’t need no music

[undone gate]

He has like 5 attacks

[native canyon]

exactly

[earnest drift]

if you include voltvyrm then i include uumuu

lost garmond is not dogshit wtf

[rancid stag]

VESPA CREST

i hope you like bees...

[earnest drift]

and if you include garmond i include zote lol

[solemn tapir]

Uumuu is the meaning of dogshit

[raw pawn]

Watcher at the edge is literally that one enemy in coral tower but with a lot of health

[icy crow]

The silent treatment for Watcher at the Edge is pretty much to fit the fact that he stood over a near-silent border for ages

[golden karma]

Uumuu is hype outside of godhome
Lost garmond is a bit underwhelming and goes down too fast on the winning attempt imo

[timber beacon]

ARCHITECT'S CREST

-# Really? You got the meta crest ggs,the game is now easy.

[earnest drift]

two attacks, just like voltvyrm

[golden karma]

Yeah and 1 extra thing it can do

[native canyon]

be fr like half of these are repositioning

[undone gate]

Watcher At The Edge is atleast cool and isin't BS like some dream warriors

[golden karma]

It gets bonus points for the presentation

[cold trellis]

Lost Garmond is very underwhelming…There really nothing to that fight other than emotional damage

[solemn tapir]

Why the fuck do I need to watch a fuckass jellyfish flying waiting for quirrel to hit it

[golden karma]

I'm glad lost garmond feels like an actual boss fight at LEAST

[native canyon]

watcher at the edge is cool because karakas are already fun to fight so bigger and badder karaka is even more fun to fight

[undone gate]

It's essentialy a harder karaka who already has more attacks than dream warriors

[raw pawn]

Uummu gets bonus points cause quirrel is in it

[solemn tapir]

Getting heros momento after the fight is sad

[night ruin]

They can’t all be high octane combat fights. Sometimes the lore is the goal

[icy crow]

Y'all forgot about the Sherma Memento smfh

[limber jungle]

garmond should've shot zaza dead

[earnest drift]

what does this even mean

[night ruin]

Edgy

[solemn tapir]

Garmond. Shoot this idiot

[undone gate]

Yea that makes it better than HKs 1 to 2 attack bosses

[limber jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228468065633570967/1416962383791919126/togif_20.gif

[earnest drift]

he has four attacks that alone puts him above fucking flukemarm

[golden karma]

I also think the garmond and zaza duel couldve been less pathetic. Like yeah the point is he's old and doesnt compare to hornet but like for all the extremely weird criteria there is to access it it could've been more fun than just coughing bomb vs hydrogen baby

[solemn tapir]

What are y'all ranking

[earnest drift]

feminism

[night ruin]

Number of attacks is indicative of quality?

[golden karma]

Quirrel

[cold trellis]

Four attacks that almost every void enemies have 😔

[earnest drift]

discussing whether hollow knight or silksong has more god awful bosses

[golden karma]

I don't think feminism means men have to be weak what

[raw pawn]

Garmond: I'm old!

[undone gate]

They contribute to it

[earnest drift]

sometimes

[native canyon]

decently fun and doesn't drag on for too long, they deserve their spot above nightmare king bumm

[night ruin]

Kind of

[solemn tapir]

We got groal beating all of them

[limber jungle]

silksong has lower lows but higher highs imo

[solemn tapir]

And lugoli

[timber beacon]

HUNTER'S CREST

-# It shows Greed within you,either upgrades or rosaries you hold.

[solemn tapir]

With that ass kick

[undone gate]

I would say HK has lower lows

[earnest drift]

pale stag is better than flukemarm so no silksong does not have lower lows

[golden karma]

Like i think garmond and zaza being easy is the point but like we know garmond is skilled, he still made it to the citadel with zaza, it could've been easy while still being fun to play and feeling like an actual fight

[cold trellis]

I genuinely feel HK is more consistent and SS has higher high and lower lows

[solemn tapir]

Palestag is worse than uumuu

[native canyon]

oblobbles...

[limber jungle]

theres not eally any boss in hollowknight I despise

[icy crow]

Guys is this normal why did I find a secret superboss named The Mario™

[solemn tapir]

Teleporting a lot

[limber jungle]

silksong probably has like 4 I could name

[night ruin]

The issue is that ppl are comparing base Silksong with the entirety of Hk. Base game to base game, skong has better bosses by a county mile.

[earnest drift]

irrelevant

[golden karma]

Palestag is ok for what it is

[cold trellis]

Oh hey, we share the same thought

[raw pawn]

Garmond and Zaza are gonna be in the pantheons

[rancid stag]

I'VE RAN OUT OF IDEAS CREST

i don't know what this crest does so...

RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!

[golden karma]

Yeah no i think silksong with all dlc is going to greatly surpass hk

[solemn tapir]

Ok then palestag is worse than flukemarm

[cold trellis]

ZANGO

[drifting loom]

sea of sorrow better get a savage beastfly 3 and it should be buffed

[undone gate]

Not even Markoth

[night ruin]

||skong already surpasses Hk imo||

[limber jungle]

markoth is hated because of skill issues tbh

[rancid stag]

no

[cold trellis]

True

[earnest drift]

zango is also better than flukemarm

[rugged hill]

Yes

[limber jungle]

ive done radiant markoth and it wasn't that bad

[night ruin]

Maybe not in sea of sorrow but I’m sure we’ll get something like this in the future

[earnest drift]

wrong

[solemn tapir]

GUYS

NO EYES OR PALESTAG

[undone gate]

Which 4 silksong bosses do you despise

[raw pawn]

I just want that dreamshield markoth has

[golden karma]

I like it better but i think talking objectively they're very close rn

[rancid stag]

NEITHER

[drifting loom]

in the next game hollow knight mexico

[undone gate]

No Eyes has a better arena

[golden karma]

Still impressive sk manages to be on the same level with no dlc

[earnest drift]

besides hollow knight has like 10 bosses that are around as bad as zango and flukemarm so yes hollow knight bosses are worse

[solemn tapir]

But not in godhome

All spiky

[night ruin]

Agreeable. Both great games, but base skong >>>>>> base hk

[rugged hill]

Godhome 1 with all the thorns kinda sucks tho

[mental snow]

No Eyes. 100%

This might just be the 1st playthrough experience talking, but fuck Palestag.

[earnest drift]

palestag beause he gets slighly harder throughout the fight

[undone gate]

Even when people talk about good HK bosses they mainly mention DLC bosses

[golden karma]

Very true

[solemn tapir]

But to be clear. Silksong got a built in pop (mtfay) but hk has it in Grimm dlc

[earnest drift]

mt fay isn't as hard as pop

[solemn tapir]

But also in main game

[cold trellis]

Better as in more moveset? ZANGO might have more moves but that doesn’t immediately mean he’s better. His gimmick is a pain in the ahh, having a boss that constantly heal (Like extremely fast and a lot) is not a good idea, his “attacks” is terribly telegraphed and not to consider he’s somewhat difficulty but In a tedious way. At least Flukewarm was easy and give you something

[undone gate]

Silksong has better platforming in general

[raw pawn]

I am the gender police and palestag is a she /j

[limber jungle]

palestag, nyleth, voltvyrm, and pinstress

[night ruin]

I wouldn’t rlly care that much if we left pop behind in hk honestly. It wasn’t as good as people remember

[undone gate]

Nyleth is pretty fun

[native canyon]

silksong pop will go SO HARD

[solemn tapir]

A lot of curve claw like things fly into you while pale is watching

[rugged hill]

I wish sk had more areas like mount fay

[cold trellis]

Nyleth hate won’t be tolerated

[limber jungle]

meh its too easy

[earnest drift]

reward does not improve the bossfight
being easy does not improve the bossfight

[rugged hill]

And also the climb back from the void

[undone gate]

How do you dispice a boss that is easy

[cold trellis]

It makes the boss fight bearable, zango is everything bad combine together

[limber jungle]

zango would be here however I dont count him as a boss because im normal

[earnest drift]

this just means you want the fight to be over faster so if anything it makes flukemarm worse

[solemn tapir]

....

[limber jungle]

because god FORBID I want to be challenged in the final act of the game

[solemn tapir]

Palestag is painful

[native canyon]

nyleth hitless with no tools or silk skills while using hunter is honestly one of the cleanest fights in hollow knight

[earnest drift]

also clawline makes palestag better

[undone gate]

Nyleth is also pretty fun

[undone gate]

Wasn't Seth hard

[solemn tapir]

Palestag or no eyes in terms of trying to hit them

[cold trellis]

No way you are genuinely trying to convince me ZANGO is better than flukewarm. Ts must be propaganda 💔

[limber jungle]

also saying "if its easy then why do you hate it?" is kinda dumb tbh

[rancid stag]

LACE CREST

become lace... nothing else

[limber jungle]

yeah and I wished nyleth was even harder

[native canyon]

zango at least has a chance to do ANYTHING to you

[earnest drift]

movement vs something that hangs there and spits

[solemn tapir]

Ok chat I disappear now

[limber jungle]

I WANT NYLETH TO BE ABS RAD 5.0

[golden karma]

Nyleth went down too fast for being like the most visually stunning fight in the game

[solemn tapir]

@earnest drift make a tier list

[undone gate]

It kinda is because the boss really didn't do anything to you it's more of a boss you forget not a boss you despise

[earnest cliff]

the new DLC is so cool broo

[golden karma]

But I definitely would not call her a bad boss

[leaden delta]

at least flukemarm has real uses to exist like challenges even if it’s not like the most engaging one ever

Flukemarm over zango

[rancid stag]

that's the 3rd dlc

[earnest drift]

this is the bottom of my tierlist because that's relevant rn

[undone gate]

Easy bosses aren't bad and Nyleth isin't unfair and is unique

[cold trellis]

Flukewarm was satisfying to hit at least, zango just has nothing around him. Diffculty doesn’t necessarily improve a fight

[native canyon]

I mean let's be real it's trash vs garbage here

[rugged hill]

What did zango even give you i forgot

[rancid stag]

nothing

[earnest drift]

fym "satisfying to hit"
"nothing around them" applies more to the boss that does nothing but summon one-hit minions

[undone gate]

What about Crust King Khann

[limber jungle]

the placement of the boss and it being required kinda made me hate it, is it not that hard to understand that I feel like the difficulty of the act 3 bosses should be on par with eachother?

[cold trellis]

Getting spit on like that ain’t fun 😭 and of course he deal 2 masks cause why not

[deep mountain]

lmfao what
i went from wondering if i'll ever get above 100 to this
i started joking in my head that i'll be able to say "never had a 3-digit pb, never will" 😭 sadly not but still crazy imo

[limber jungle]

meh hes kinda whatever I prefered the coral tower to it tbh

[native canyon]

why are we comparing the worst bosses in hollow knight and silksong like it's not just this

[rancid stag]

442...

[undone gate]

They don't only getting the hearts need to be equally difficult

[limber jungle]

how can the vessel be gay

[hexed sigil]

wtf? i think i know that guy with the fists

[undone gate]

Both Seth and Nyleth combined are around as hard as Karmalita

[earnest drift]

i noticed silksong has more bosses in C tier but hollow knight has more in D and E

[native canyon]

vessels are agender

[undone gate]

Silksong does have better bosses in general

[undone gate]

Also HK has super disappointing easy bosses

[cold trellis]

To be put it simple, if I were to ask if I would prefer zango or Flukewarm, of course I would choose Flukewarm. Zango is more difficulty but in a tedious way, his attacks are annoying and again, poorly telegraphed. They are both bad, but Flukewarm is the better option here

[native canyon]

intersex people are born how they are and are considered part of the community so... yeah?

[cold trellis]

Brother what

[golden karma]

Victy weren't you like the gayest guy

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[earnest drift]

don't be weird please

[limber jungle]

this sounded different in my head tbh

[native canyon]

😭

[deep mountain]

i mean, being agender doesn't make you gay

[cold trellis]

The consequence of poor communication 😔

[limber jungle]

deleting out of embrasnentnt

[native canyon]

using gay as a shorthand for lgbt (el jibbity)

[solemn tapir]

RATE MY TIER LIST (IMO)

[deep mountain]

still, it's an opt-in label

[native canyon]

queer would be a more accurate term

[cold trellis]

Karmelita is lower than I expected

[exotic dome]

palestag not being f tier is crazy

[solemn tapir]

I meant s tier but I'm on phone

[limber jungle]

idk why but whenever I call someone a queer I feel like im insulting them

[earnest drift]

lost garmond and shakra appreciation yay

[solemn tapir]

So this dumbass put it in a tier

[deep mountain]

i think no identity-related terms should be opt-out

[golden karma]

I'm still confused as to why the huge flea and dual choir clappers weren't made the straight up bosses for their areas

[limber jungle]

I think its the way you ponounce it tbh

[cold trellis]

You don’t have a Pc?

[native canyon]

well it used to be a slur so

[solemn tapir]

We're out of internet

And I can't connect hotspot to pc

[cold trellis]

What

[solemn tapir]

Basically yes I have a pc

[earnest drift]

ok i sorted the most complained about bosses in both games and the amounts are fairly similar

[fathom rapids]

Trobbio

[golden karma]

Told u blud

[native canyon]

this grace should be extended to real people yes, but the vessels are fictional characters so applying a label that fits (agender) doesn't reall do any harm imo

[undone gate]

I don't think Clover Dancers are S tier and I would move Last Judge to S tier and Sister Splitter 1 tier up that's just my opinion

[earnest drift]

i still think stuff like groal the great and savage beastfly are way better than the rest of them

[solemn tapir]

The cd is just cogwork dancers

[golden karma]

I do like Groal even if it took me a while. I like Groal as a creature. And his attacks

[cold trellis]

Man get crystal guardian out of there

[earnest drift]

people always complain about them

[golden karma]

The stilkin also have cool lore

[rocky jolt]

get groal out of there bro

[void moat]

khann deserves S tier

[undone gate]

Yea with 2 less phaces

[earnest drift]

i will

[rocky jolt]

actually hoenstly fair

[solemn tapir]

He likes it crusty

[cold trellis]

They do?

[solemn tapir]

@earnest drift send link of this tier list

[golden karma]

They made a Khann a bum I'm sorry 💔

[earnest drift]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-and-silksong-bosses-1110440

[golden karma]

Why is he so piss easy it genuinely makes me mad

[solemn tapir]

Tyty

[earnest drift]

so hk has 17 dogshit bosses
sk has 12

[cold trellis]

Ehhh…With all due of respect, they are at least more interesting than the other mentioned bosses. But I would be lying if I say they didn’t make me feel more frustrated than the other bosses

[undone gate]

Do you like hard bosses a lot even if they are unfair

[rancid stag]

do y'all think it's possible to beat LL with a uDraw tablet for the ps3?

[earnest drift]

also this categorising doublecounts moss mother and savage beastfly so sk actually has 10 dogshit bosses

[undone gate]

Khann is a super fun fight I am fine that he is easy after Coral Tower

[golden karma]

I don't mind easier bosses but Khann is trivial for no reason
His attacks take forever to come out and make no attempt to target you

I'm not some cracked player I still haven't done absrad. Need to get to that

[earnest drift]

is god tamer dogshit

[golden karma]

Mediocre

[cold trellis]

Maybe

[native canyon]

decided to edit my tier list (extending more grace to fotf, gurr, and tmg, whilst putting nightmare king bumm where he belongs)

[undone gate]

I kinda just see him as a breather and a fun time after Coral Tower

[earnest drift]

why nkg so low

[undone gate]

Clover Dancers are kinda the same

[earnest drift]

is chef lugoli dogshit

[native canyon]

father of the flame is pretty fun with hunter (wow it's like hunter is a cheat code to make a boss fight fun)

[exotic dome]

zango, palestag, broodmother, groal, savage beastfly, the unraveled, father of the flame, gurr.. idk about the other 2

[golden karma]

I loved coral tower honestly. It didnt frustrate me at all. So for me at least it is not a breather I need. Even then the game gives you a shortcut after completing 3 of the gauntlets

[quartz gulch]

The whole gauntlet is the boss. Were the gauntlets trivial? You don't fight a boss. You fight a commander, one that leads his entire army against you.

[undone gate]

NKG does get boring after a while

[earnest drift]

i did not include gurr or groal

[native canyon]

not that fun tbh

[limber jungle]

im correct btw

[quick cedar]

This is correct

[exotic dome]

why are we counting big flea as a boss

[golden karma]

Ok man sure but they could've at least made his attacks try to fucking target you

[cold trellis]

Regarding all the “dog shit boss”, I think most dog shit boss in HK are just usually uninteresting while most “dog shit” boss in SS are usually incredibly rage inducing (Sometimes it both rage inducing and boring)

[quick cedar]

Traitor lord is lowk bare min but its wtv

[undone gate]

I took 3 hours on the first 3 guantlets which is 3 times more than the time I took for Karmalita so Crust King Khann being easy was a good thing

[golden karma]

Sigh I can't call him a bad fight though the presentation and aura he has is too good

[limber jungle]

zango huge flea and daddy flame are not bosses btw please stop calling them that

[undone gate]

They do target you also Clover Dancers are like that

[fathom rapids]

How come the best boss in the game: plasmified zango is on the bottom?

[quartz gulch]

"Why doesn't team cherry make every boss as hard as pure vessel?" You do rele

[twin summit]

Is your favorite number 3 by any chance?

[exotic dome]

nah markoth is both annoying and boring

[cold trellis]

For all the aura that he built up, he is mind mumbling easy

[undone gate]

Nope

[golden karma]

Clover dancers flowkirkenuinely need a rework

[quartz gulch]

I accidentaly clicked send...

[limber jungle]

I said clover dancers kinda sucked and I got called homophobic

[native canyon]

world's biggest nosk fan apparently (lie)

[golden karma]

When I am I saying he should be hard as PV????? 😭

[quick cedar]

It's like how god tamer is easy after colo3

[undone gate]

I find Clover Dancers to be worce than Crust King Khann

[earnest drift]

i like traitor lord it feels like a dance

[quick cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[earnest drift]

also just remembered to put summoned saviour in dogshit

[rocky jolt]

kings usually dont fight anyways

[lofty shell]

its literally just 2 primary attacks that he does over and over
with one new attack added in phase 2

[golden karma]

The fight definitely is. It needed more upgrades over Clover dancers than just the tornado attack (which is still extremely cool) and more phases.

[earnest drift]

it's four

[native canyon]

I think it's fun as a "floor is lava" type challenge until phase 2

[quick cedar]

And if ur fighting traitor lord right he really only uses like 3 attacks

[earnest drift]

ok are sisters of battle bad because they only have three attacks

[golden karma]

Also how it's easier to damage because of how the health for cogwork dancers worked or whateverrr

[lofty shell]

he does the fourth one only when you are too far away from him
otherwise its only 2 + 1

[cold trellis]

looking at Karmelita

[golden karma]

Traitor lord is cool

[native canyon]

sisters of battle actually have nine attacks (three sisters with three attacks)

[earnest drift]

ok atp every boss is dogshit

[golden karma]

Karmelita quite possibly the most fun fight in act 3

[native canyon]

only good fight that feels like a dance is karmelita

[undone gate]

Yea atleast Crust King Khann has a lot of new attacks while Clover Dancers is just Cogwork Dancers with a Tornado

[earnest drift]

maybe if we compare good bosses instead

[exotic dome]

clover dancers should have had a 28 wave enemy gauntlet before the boss

[limber jungle]

I wish there was a phase with just the singular clover dancer tbh

[peak matrix]

Should I feed my hornet drugs like plasmium

[lofty shell]

fun fact: there are many kings in history who used to go into the battlefield and fight

[golden karma]

Yeah kinda weird that didn't happen for the guy who actually lost his lover

[cold trellis]

That not crazy, that not crazy to say that

[earnest drift]

ok these are the only good bosses across both games

[rocky jolt]

but how many are fatasses that just sat on their thrones all day

[native canyon]

where's pv and thk, this is enbyphobic

[golden karma]

Yeah no doubt but it's still what i think

[limber jungle]

lost lace is such an awful boss story wise im sorry

[earnest drift]

hollow knight has no good bosses

[undone gate]

For me it's LL but like she is the 2nd best

[lofty shell]

pv, nkg, absrad, sisters of battle

[cold trellis]

I’m low-key thinking in getting ragebaited

[exotic dome]

if it's only basegame then its correct

[undone gate]

All DLC

[earnest drift]

incorrect

[quartz gulch]

You do realize that bosses like moss mother don't "target" you either. She just flies from left to right, and occasionally spawns in rocks/enemies. Yet she isn't a bad boss. Cogwork Dancers don't "target" you either. They go across the arena, but they never actually follow you with their attacks. My point is, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BOSSES IN SILKSONG (except for the second savage beastfly, fuck that fatass piece of scum).

[fathom rapids]

Pure vessel.....?

[quick cedar]

Gpz

[lofty shell]

that too

[gusty urchin]

Nyleth phase 2 is anti-shamans crest what is this hate team cherry 😭

[solemn tapir]

YET ANOTHER TIER LIST (most people won't agree ik trust)

[rocky jolt]

🗨️ 🤖

[golden karma]

I see a ton of complaints about lost lace but it was a great fight. Even if it took like 2 days

[quartz gulch]

Shut up please.

[undone gate]

Gameplay wise she is the best boss in Silksong

[arctic epoch]

Tierlistslop

[golden karma]

What do we think of sly

[arctic epoch]

Peak fiction

[exotic dome]

boring

[earnest drift]

S tier

[peak matrix]

Idk what's in that tierlist but I'm sure its wrong

[lofty shell]

if we count base game
mantis lords, soul master and soul tyrant, failed champion, broken vessel and lost kin, watcher knights, THK, the radiance

[solemn tapir]

Sly is Oro but smol

[limber jungle]

shes fun to PLAY but I hate how it was put into the story

[quick cedar]

Sly sucks

[earnest drift]

there are no good bosses in either game

[quartz gulch]

TIER LISTS ARE ALWAYS JUST FUCKING DUMB

[exotic dome]

phase 2 of sly is the most boring and laziest design i have ever seen

[quick cedar]

Wait ppl dont like lostlace

[quartz gulch]

true

[oblique patio]

Can comfirm im on lost lace and im having a good time (i just died)

[native canyon]

more tier list slop please

[hexed sigil]

yes.

[golden karma]

About that I also think she makes sense as the final boss. I did get spoiled about it so I can't really say if it was underwhelming or not

[earnest drift]

name a single good boss in either game i dare you

[peak matrix]

I don't like how it's called lost lace but we found her
Is team cherry stupid

[fathom rapids]

Pure vessel

[hexed sigil]

what game we talking bout

[native canyon]

broodmother

[cold trellis]

“Yet she isn’t a bad boss” And she isn’t a good boss either 😭. Cogwork dancer feels satisfying to look at because of their dance. King Khann supposed to be this menacing with all the hype he built up, take criticism respectfully

[golden karma]

Nightmare King Kratt

[undone gate]

Failed Champion isin't that fun and both Soul Tyrant and Lost Kin are harder vertions of other bosses

[limber jungle]

it reminds me of dmc5 vergil where the final fight kinda had no build up at all and just happens

[earnest drift]

reskin of thk, sucks

[exotic dome]

grand father plasmium

[arctic epoch]

Tbf, i dont feel any particular interest for any bosses unless there's an immediate connection made between me and the boss ( usually challenge fight ) but Pintress is definitely a good fight

[fathom rapids]

Youre hurting my feelings :(

[oblique patio]

thk and pv are nothing alike

[golden karma]

WE all hate gpz

[solemn tapir]

Who's we

[earnest drift]

ok i'm joking around but this is incorrect

[limber jungle]

FUCK YOU.

[cold trellis]

Me seeing people falling for the ragebait

[golden karma]

WE all hate the unravelled

[peak matrix]

I don't feel anything for bosses until they spawn minions which automatically puts them in F tier

[lofty shell]

some people say that lost lace is good storywise and gameplay sucks
some people say that lost lace is good gameplay wise and sucks storywise
some people say that she is one of the best bosses in the game
MAKE UP YOUR MIND GUYS

[undone gate]

That doesn't make him not fun

[oblique patio]

i just hate zote in general

[earnest drift]

all bosses are bad

[native canyon]

I mean vergil is literally the main antagonist of dmc5 and you fight him multiple times through urizen

[lofty shell]

radiant markoth

[oblique patio]

ok how about this:

lost lace

[golden karma]

I don't know how I didn't mention the unravelled yet bro most unfun boss in silksong

[solemn tapir]

Hk doesn't have what silksong has

[cold trellis]

Ok well he Is decently enjoyable Ig but I expected more

[solemn tapir]

Boss fight experience

[limber jungle]

ehhhh true I kinda wish V became vergil earlier though

[undone gate]

If he is fun it's a good boss I kinda just went into him knowing that he is easy

[solemn tapir]

But what I liked the most was SoB

[exotic dome]

never played dmc should i play it

[earnest drift]

karmelita sucks she blocks too much
first sinner sucks she teleports too much
lost lace sucks it's the same boss for the third time
pure vessel sucks it's a reskin of the hollow knight
nightmare king grimm sucks he teleports too much and doesn't change

[peak matrix]

SoB is boring

[solemn tapir]

Feels good to fight trios in rhythm

[limber jungle]

play 3....... please...................

[oblique patio]

HK: slight misery, fun, exploration
SK: misery, fun, exploration, absolute regret

[lofty shell]

thats why groal the great is the best boss

[cold trellis]

I didn’t want just a good boss, I want AMAZING boss, he supposed to be in top 5.

[golden karma]

Crazy how Nightmare King Kratt has none of these flaws

[arctic epoch]

Atp, no one feel grateful for any bossfight that slightly differ from their super specifically preferred version

[fathom rapids]

Lace is bad bc of her big ass head

[native canyon]

I like how lost lace is handled but I wish we got more lace dialogue to hint at it better, it'd be a bit clunky but it'd be cool if her phantom appeared after every old heart you claim or whatever

[solemn tapir]

SISTERS OF BATTLE OR SIGNIS AND GRON

[earnest drift]

her WHAT

[peak matrix]

Remove all bosses replace them with platforming that does 4 masks

[exotic dome]

thats why father of the flame is the best boss it doesnt do anything

[cold trellis]

Heaven or hell ahh choice

[golden karma]

What do we think of the Steam eater. I liked it but the adds suck

[rocky jolt]

signis and grok probably

[lofty shell]

sisters of battle

[solemn tapir]

Gng js choose

[limber jungle]

I wish we got more lace dialogue in general tbh

[peak matrix]

Sigma and grok

[exotic dome]

gamma ray burst vs dying cockroach

[gusty urchin]

Nyleth phase 2 is meticilously crafted to make shamans crest suffer LOL

[fathom rapids]

Plasmified zango

[cold trellis]

Twin You know what I would choose 😭

[quartz gulch]

I'm not even getting critisized bro? May I remind you, I did not infact make the game. All I'm saying is that not every boss needs a darksouls ass movement pattern. It is okay for bosses to be easy, to be simple, to be cheesable (I don't cheese bosses btw, not saying this because I suck). The only bosses I tuely think should be absolutely remade are broodmother, sly second phase, second beastfly (just why team Cherry), and probably a few more that aren't as obvious. Oh right, Shakra sucks ass too, but I guess she's just a challenge.

[native canyon]

I love how she's written I need MORE

[solemn tapir]

Most people will agree on sob it feels better

[timber beacon]

Lace appearing in act 1 and only appearing at the end of act 2

[peak matrix]

Dumb idiot child condemns kingdom
This is the second time this has happened

[quartz gulch]

BOTH ARE GOOD

[golden karma]

What if lace fell into a pool of muckmaggots and then died forever

[glacial kelp]

what happened to your old account

[solemn tapir]

Did someone try the bilewater beastfly?

[peak matrix]

What

[solemn tapir]

Ts is horrible

[peak matrix]

There's more?

[golden karma]

Discord marked it as a spammer for a reason that I do not know. Other than that it was muted for 3 days but that's over now

[quartz gulch]

Raging Conchfly just getting dissed with this pic bro...

[rocky jolt]

i should make a boss tierlist and sneak bell hermit in it

[exotic dome]

swap broodmother and nyleth

[edgy gulch]

pinstress likes Christmas she climbed mount fay

[glacial kelp]

i think palestag would be employed by pharloom santa

[limber jungle]

I WISH team cherry gave me a reason to give a fuck about her getting voided

[rocky jolt]

draw first sinner in a christmas dress

[edgy gulch]

yes she likes snow trust

[fathom rapids]

Trobbio

[quartz gulch]

Nothing here has correlation bro...

[zealous elk]

i feel like crawfather would hate christmas

[quick cedar]

Hes a big softie on the inside

[limber jungle]

here

[quartz gulch]

He would eat the children or something.

[exotic dome]

this discussion is more appealing than lacenet or crest discourse

[glacial kelp]

wait your nature is jolly i just got the joke

[peak matrix]

Crestless is better

[fathom rapids]

Its called cloakless, seems youre not a true fan

[earnest drift]

this convo fucked up my tierlist wtf is all this

[quartz gulch]

Somebody here wants to see Hornet undressed.

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-pharloom-gif-11339581464096100828

[quick cedar]

Is thus based on christmas

[earnest drift]

no it's on how good the bosses are

[lofty shell]

OK
ILL BRING BACK CREST DISCOURSE
HUNTER AND BEAST SUPER SIGMA
WITCH AND SHAMAN SIGMA
ARCHITECT PRETTY GOOD
WANDERER IS BAD
REAPER IS SUPER BAD
RAHHHHHHH

[limber jungle]

pure vessel in F but all the lace fights and first sinner in Sss are we deadass

[glacial kelp]

ai looking tier list

[quick cedar]

Borrrring

[edgy gulch]

w becus shaman is high

[peak matrix]

What does reaper do again

[night ruin]

What’re we arguing about now

[edgy gulch]

slow

[glacial kelp]

tierlist slop

[rocky jolt]

if we are gonna talk about crests then i will say i understand witch users now

[quick cedar]

Stop posting tier lists mfs, just agree with all my boss takes

[quartz gulch]

FUCK YOU!!!

[fathom rapids]

Healing passive and a forgiving pogo

[rocky jolt]

beast crest still ass tho

[limber jungle]

bigger hitbox, slower swing speed, more silk after binding

[native canyon]

that's what extras dialogue in act 3 would do lowkey I'd do a small rewrite but I'm preoccupied with my fic lol

[quick cedar]

Straight up reaping it

[earnest drift]

because she hates herself and hornet wants to give her a better chance at life instead of being forced to serve her mother as her only purpose