sk-discussion

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[royal mason]

And the choir dude who uses a sword and flies

[raw pawn]

The craws are annoying too

[halcyon knoll]

THey aint bad

[royal mason]

They can guard and fly away

[quartz shell]

if primal aspids are shot guns, the spit squids are uzis

[royal mason]

Genuinely fuck these guys:

[hardy tangle]

you take 2 masks from everything cus hornet can heal 3 very quickly

[raw pawn]

I always lure the spit squits into the barnarks just because they made me so mad

[royal mason]

Barnarks?

[dreamy kiln]

anyone share an op build?

[halcyon knoll]

Hk silksong but every enemy is a primal aspid that does 10 masks per attack

[celest bramble]

these are one of the least annoying flying enemies

[hardy tangle]

fractured mask wins again

[halcyon knoll]

Shaman crest + volt filament + anything else idgaf

[royal mason]

They guard and fly away all the time

[wraith dragon]

Architect crest
Cogfly
Plasmium vial

[raw pawn]

That enemy that eats anything that touches its tonguge

[sharp tundra]

Someone kidnap me to somewhere where its cheaper

[quartz shell]

add tacks in there

[celest bramble]

they dont, every attack opens them for easy punish, hit their parry then dodge, free hits

[dim elm]

shaman crest volt fillament thread storm

[halcyon knoll]

the second aspid behind you:

[hardy tangle]

cross stitch wins again

[royal mason]

the third Aspid off screen:

[halcyon knoll]

the 3rd and 4th one:

[raw pawn]

Sharp dart better trust

[hardy tangle]

magnetite dice wins again

[royal mason]

Pale Nails

[ripe laurel]

1000 primal aspids

[quartz shell]

rune rage wins again

[scarlet crypt]

hollow white

[raw pawn]

No it won't

[royal mason]

Oh that reminds me I still need to beat the game with only Rune Rage

[halcyon knoll]

rune rage hitting NONE of the aspids:

[split cape]

Any flying enemy can fucking die

[royal mason]

Hollow Black

[raw pawn]

Why are flying enemies so smart in this game

[split cape]

Get out of here with yo bottom tier ass silk skill

[halcyon knoll]

ok lets kill all the fleas

[royal mason]

Driznit

[hardy tangle]

driftlins have done nothing but chill btw

[quartz shell]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-gif-19643038

[split cape]

Are fleas enemies?

[sharp tundra]

How to draw her eyes

[halcyon knoll]

To me they are
grub on top

[split cape]

We dont talk about him.

[sharp tundra]

Are those his nose or mustache

[pulsar dagger]

Fleas go woof

[royal mason]

Mustache

[quartz shell]

nose hair

[little junco]

1. Draw two circles
2. You’re done

[split cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ugh-gif-15774357492597497773

[raw pawn]

Rune rage needs another buff

[royal mason]

No they go awoo

[halcyon knoll]

Rune rage needs a REWORK 😭

[split cape]

Not even 4000 buffs can make rune rage good

[little junco]

I still see his mustache as eyes

[wraith dragon]

Rune rage make you rage irl

[celest bramble]

maybe a tiny bit bigger AOE, that will make it way more consistent

[split cape]

Rune rage more like RNG rage

[dim elm]

rune rage was maybe the most disappointing boss reward ever

[wraith dragon]

Rune rage make whoever see you use run rage, rage and destroy your pc/console

[pulsar dagger]

I like it

[sharp tundra]

RuNeraGe

[hardy tangle]

can we have the rune rage pv uses

[quartz shell]

https://tenor.com/view/pure-vessel-hollow-knight-gif-15570956

[dim elm]

can rune rage turn you into pv

[royal mason]

Which boss constantly attacks u without letting u do anything?

[sharp tundra]

If i get hk sure

[split cape]

Fixed it

[hardy tangle]

you broke bubba

[young saffron]

Craw father ig? That's mostly like due to his minions and their projectiles

[arctic epoch]

-# Wanderer suckass it's actually amazing

[sharp tundra]

im not broke
just too expensive for a game

[royal mason]

Yea no Rune Rage isn't gonna work

[little junco]

Yo fourth chorus how many acts does silksong have

[royal mason]

I bought a 100$ game

[sharp tundra]

Thats 4k for me

[royal mason]

4

One chorus per act

[sharp tundra]

Lets take a shaw

[hardy tangle]

hollow knight modders when theyre tasked with making a mod that extends a bosses moveset without them becoming impossible to fight

[royal mason]

What should I do with these?

[royal mason]

Screenshawt

[vagrant cave]

eat them

[quartz shell]

eat them

[royal mason]

Too full from the pilgrims

[sharp tundra]

Wat if u get me hk

[vagrant cave]

hunters crest on top

[quartz shell]

store them for the winter

[raw pawn]

I heard that pharloom bay is referenced sometimes in the game even tho it was cut

[vagrant cave]

if there are no hunters crest fans i am dead

[royal mason]

Why is ur skill purple?

[quartz shell]

you can actually find an enemy/npc from that area taxidermized in the memorium

[royal mason]

Then die

[vagrant cave]

honorable mention: witch crest

[sharp tundra]

Flick since gives u trophy

[gritty ocean]

true...

[celest bramble]

mender bug wins, nobody can find him

[sharp tundra]

Volt filament

[raw pawn]

Is it just me or bilewater is fucking big compared to the other areas?

[sharp tundra]

The citadel

[vagrant cave]

it is

[royal mason]

Is Voltnest required for 100%?

[hoary bronze]

I'ma let this bug die this time

[raw pawn]

Yes it drops volt filament

[hardy tangle]

is this tuff in hallownest

[raw pawn]

You need to have all tools for 100%

[royal mason]

Mobile HK yay

[hoary bronze]

Made me go through dream zote

[remote talon]

this looks trippy

[hardy tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425750070434857113/1429611336647577633/caption.gif

[vagrant cave]

i think they mean besides this, because its so big it needs its own fast travel

[quartz shell]

just kill zote

[sharp tundra]

I prefer pc woo

[royal mason]

Jarvis, heal my masks pls

[raw pawn]

Choral chambers is def bigger than bilewater tho

[royal mason]

Jarvis, use silk skill

[hoary bronze]

A little fun thing I find there is free life blood before mantis Lord fight

[hoary bronze]

Yea zote is dead already

[gritty ocean]

i've been sleeping on the chain circlet

[royal mason]

Nobody tells me anything anymore 😭

[quartz shell]

maybe try to save as little npcs as you can in this file

[hoary bronze]

No I only hate zote

[vagrant cave]

i used to think it was bad until i saw its use

[raw pawn]

But it's the beautiful, gorgeous, mysterious grey prince Zote

[hoary bronze]

Annoying

[vagrant cave]

gpz is my op

[hoary bronze]

Like having to go through zote in pantheon is pain

[raw pawn]

gpz is rng hell

[vagrant cave]

if there are no grey prince zote haters, i am dead

[quartz shell]

you mean invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, intelligent grey prince Zote

[hardy tangle]

lowk never knew why people say hes rng

[sharp tundra]

Yall r cnp ts

[hardy tangle]

he just jumps around

[quartz shell]

?

[next viper]

I FUCKING HATEEEEEEEEEE THE CAPITAL

[sharp tundra]

Copy and paste

[light swan]

bilewater doesnt suck tho it’s expertly well designed around making you pay attention while making sure you’re not playing passively, its not just an unfair shithole designed around making you frustrated for 2 hours (except for stilkin)

[quartz shell]

well yeah

[sharp tundra]

the wat

[raw pawn]

You know what sucks? Underworks

[next viper]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-fritter-apple-fritter-apple-fritters-baki-gif-5260306233183041554

[hardy tangle]

yeah but its big and after the initial first playthrough its just boring

[hoary bronze]

Zote is literally radahn of hollow knight

[hardy tangle]

like it needs more subareas like bilehaven

[gilded rock]

How it feels like liking zote and kratt

[remote talon]

holy shit ythere are different weavenests

[next viper]

Bilewater had me in a chokehold but i havent played the game since i 100%ed it which was 4 days post release

[raw pawn]

Why do I have to go through bilewater every time I want to get an item I don't have

[hardy tangle]

but nah bilewater is just all the same looking rooms over and over some of them open some of them cramped with the same 4 enemies

[remote talon]

holy shit farsight

[light swan]

whats wrong with big that’s why i like it+ most areas are boring on a replay, i found bilewater more interesting tho

[gilded rock]

Is bilewater the deepnest of silksong

[hardy tangle]

3 of those enemies being really boring to fight

[next viper]

I love deepnest

[hoary bronze]

Alright let's see if can 112 percent hollow knight after silksong

[raw pawn]

Deepnest got nothing on bilewater

[next viper]

100% silksong is easy as hell

[quartz shell]

5 you mean?

[sweet scarab]

guys i drew me

[hardy tangle]

its too big for its own good it doesnt do anything different for how big it is its just repetitive (especially since sinners road and ducts exists)

[sharp tundra]

Shits and giggles till dlc

[next viper]

P5 is the most brutal thing oat

[raw pawn]

Act 3 is like if the forgotten crossroads was the whole game

[next viper]

Worse than receiving the blood eagle

[gilded rock]

Is bilewater like deepnest and royal waterways together

[hardy tangle]

ok nerd

[vagrant cave]

i made sure to do 112 percent before silksong release

[hoary bronze]

Yea but silksong got harder overall difficulty

[sharp tundra]

Putting nkg without bench

[next viper]

nkg was a breeze

[raw pawn]

nkg becomes easy after you learn all his moves

[sharp tundra]

i hate abs rad

[light swan]

so are other areas, bilewater does have very interesting rooms such as the bloatroaches (favorite rooms in the area) and the platforming with the bubbles or the nosk room, i can think of a good purpose for almost every room in the area

[hardy tangle]

bilewaters platforming is the same as hunters march just harder

[young saffron]

Sorry but silksong was so easy imo hollow knight was like way harder

[next viper]

radiance is so damn easy and then theres absrad

[hardy tangle]

it has maggot water like 2 other areas its not new

[young saffron]

It's like dark souls 3 compared to sekiro

[remote talon]

skill that sends you upwards
hold down arrow to use it

[next viper]

i have a very hot take

[dim elm]

imagine deep nest + royal water ways but theres water that makes it so you cant heal

[light swan]

size helps it for making the area feel expansive and lost, which is important to creating the massive dangerous mindscape of the area, the size is the areas identity

[hoary bronze]

How did people like struggle in hollow knight only hard part was the pantheon

[next viper]

silksongs "path of pain" was harder than hollow knights path of pain

[raw pawn]

That part in act 3 where you start with 4 HP and your forced to use hunter

[gilded rock]

Pantheon of pharloom gonna do sum shit like lost savage beast fly and shin GMS

[next viper]

It took me 3h for hk path of pain and 5h for silksong

[dim elm]

many people's first metroidvania (including me)

[sharp tundra]

rejoin and ull get max hp

[hoary bronze]

What is silksong path of pain

[next viper]

savage beast fly wasnt even the problem it was the stupid molten flying bugs

[sharp tundra]

Path to the nameless town aka surface

[digital oriole]

The climb to the surface prolly

[next viper]

That did 2 masks of dmg

[hoary bronze]

That wasn't so bad for me

[quartz shell]

3 pinstress battle

[next viper]

I hated it

[young saffron]

The games combat is very unique I think and people generally take time to adjust to it.

The collosum is hard
Dream bosses (like the one for false knight etc)
Godhome / pantheons
PoP, white palace
Alot of the general story bosses feel harder

[light swan]

bloatroaches have a much different gameplay function as they spit at you and also provide silk farms to combat maggot water + give heals, and the exploding balls also make them feel different from hunters march flowers even if you just pogo off of them

[sweet scarab]

its raining needles

[raw pawn]

I hate the trial of the fool

[arctic epoch]

-# Wanderer Suckass

[gilded rock]

Imagine if we didn't get tormented trobbio but instead lost trobbio* just completely taken by void

[hoary bronze]

I hope that dream lady with no eyes go through more pain

[young saffron]

Sadly in silksong all the bosses took me 2-3 tries except for 3/4

Not bragging but it kinda made the game less fun

[sharp tundra]

No eyes

[hoary bronze]

Sht was hardest thing for me

[quartz shell]

are we fr?

[hardy tangle]

that one maggot fish room for the mask shard is dogshit its just enemy spam long hallway with nothing intersting its just a pain in the ass to go through
the only actually interesting thing about bilewater is bilehaven and the areas where theres traps, the bloatroach room is also good but there should be more rooms that are interesting just like it

[raw pawn]

Radiant markoth

[gilded rock]

Sisters of pin

[lavish obsidian]

Just got the abyss sister ending…. That boss was crazy, and the atmosphere 🤌

[hoary bronze]

I hated it the screen was dark af and the ghost just jiggle everywhere everytime I play I beat her with force

[sharp tundra]

Pv and nkg is easier than him💔

[next viper]

Getting your eyes and organs gouged out is probably the worst thing that can happen to you

[raw pawn]

Pv is easier than first sinner

[vale whale]

please just call it pinstress order😭😭

[hardy tangle]

theyre good obstacles but the pogo platforming is the same theres no interesting jumps even though you have double jump by the time you go there like how often do you utilize harpoon

[gilded rock]

Imagine if brooding mawlek was a boss in silksong
But he dealed 6 damage per projectile and insta death every time you touch his hitbox

[next viper]

The hardest boss in silksong and hollow knight is probably

[tawdry locust]

How much did it take for y'all to beat him for me 16 seconds

[sharp tundra]

Call it sisters of battle trust

[hoary bronze]

I'ma made that god in pantheon revive her for it to happen again

[light swan]

i’d say 2 massive bloatroaches rooms are enough tbh, especially cuz of how big they are they already feel like fundamental parts of the area

mask shard room might suck and i do agree with you but it’s still something new which counters what you were originally saying

[tawdry locust]

I bought the game off steam so no piracy

[hoary bronze]

People tell me my UI is bad

[raw pawn]

Can lost lace stop teleporting in my face every time I am trying to dodge her attacks /j

[hardy tangle]

my tools can kill ANY boss in 15 seconds...

[tawdry locust]

Yoo another josuke

[hoary bronze]

This gotta be easier to play than that

[gilded rock]

Imagine if the cogflies were a charm in HK

[raw pawn]

Is talking about mods here allowed?

[lavish obsidian]

AYO IS THAT EVEN PLAYABLE ??

[tawdry locust]

Nuh uh mine better and I average 60 fps

[tulip spire]

For even asking this question you will be marooned in a desert island

[hoary bronze]

Doesn't the spider charm works

[hoary bronze]

Yea this is like the only time the game bugged the whole run

[raw pawn]

Because I wanna know how to download that mod that adds the knight to Silksong

[gilded rock]

That charm is dogshit

[hoary bronze]

Mine is also on 60 normally expect those lava rising stuff

[light swan]

i used harpoon quite often in bilewater tbh, good for traversing across the chasms and making it to the exploding balls while avoiding the squits + isn’t almost all pogo platforming just pogoing? there really isn’t a way to make it more interesting without a completely new mechanic like sands of karak, and using enemies and exploding balls is enough to put a new texture and feel on it even if it’s fundamentally the same (as is all pogo platforming)

[hardy tangle]

even then bilewater has 3 interesting enemies, bloatroaches are stuck to like 2 rooms, stilkin trappers appear once or twice and normal stilkins are really the only interesting enemy you find throughout the entire area and theyre annoying as fuck, you cannot argue those floating mushroom mfs are engaging

[hardy tangle]

cogwork core

[tawdry locust]

I can use a controller if I want

[raw pawn]

I heard that you can fight groal in act 1 😭

[hardy tangle]

ts is not tuff

[hardy tangle]

you barely need to use harpoon if u can just double jump tbh

[hoary bronze]

Still most fun thing to do in hollow knight the sound is so good

[tawdry locust]

I can even remove the buttons off screen and use the controller

[gilded rock]

I want to buy silksong so bad

[quartz shell]

is ts tuff in sands of karak?

[raw pawn]

Brooooh

[light swan]

90% clawline, in the end youre still just pogoing off of floating objects tho which is the same pogo platforming as everything else

[hoary bronze]

Well that's easier

[gilded rock]

But I cant since im nowhere finished with HK, well i am but

[raw pawn]

Notice how hornet has a similar personality to the hunter

[tawdry locust]

At least I can keep my data in an emergency file and play on another device if I want to

[storm cipher]

Im playing with him for like 30 minutes now, isnthere any rng XD

[hardy tangle]

which is different from every other platforming in the game

[dim elm]

if the hunter was also lesbian theyd probably be a couple

[light swan]

i don’t mind the lack of interesting enemies, the ones that exist serve their purpose and bilewater in my eyes is an exploration area so i don’t mind that there aren’t super thrilling enemies, i don’t think adding new interesting enemies would provide much value to my experience

[hoary bronze]

I think just hold dice for 4 second and throw worked for me

[sharp tundra]

Is there gonna be an eternal ordeal in silsong

[gilded rock]

Didnt the Hunter and hornet fight/encountered each other before
Its like stated in her journal entry
Unless you're talking about another hunter i do not know at the moment

[light swan]

pogoing off of big static enemies and exploding balls is different from every other pogo platforming in the game (as far as i can remember rn)

[raw pawn]

Once you start playing count to 14 and release

If hornet makes a sound then you will get a guaranteed win

[hoary bronze]

Idk I will just go through whole game if I wanted to play again

[hardy tangle]

hunters march platforming but... more hostile!! 🤯

[gilded rock]

Who is the zote of silksong

[hardy tangle]

compared to the rest of the game its a nothing burger

[light swan]

so is cogwork core

[raw pawn]

Kratt is worse than zote

[hardy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[light swan]

hunters march platforming but instead of flowers theyre cogs?

[hoary bronze]

Useless kratt

[hardy tangle]

ig the clawline stuff doesnt exist then

[storm cipher]

Grindle my boy

[hardy tangle]

racing the clawline thing so you can do the next jump

[raw pawn]

I loved hunter's march even tho it was brutal at first

[light swan]

i thought we were talking about pogo platforming here cuz you explicitly mentioned that

[gilded rock]

The eternal ordeal but you fight two big fat kratts and a swarm of smaller kratts
And of course flea king kratt

[hardy tangle]

no?

[light swan]

besides hunters march is just a worse bilewater platforming

[sharp tundra]

im bored as fuck

[storm cipher]

Hunters march has really great playforming

[hardy tangle]

duh its an earlier area

[storm cipher]

I love it

[hardy tangle]

hunters march has good early game platforming cus its supposed to be that

[raw pawn]

That flying skarr in hunters march was the most annoying enemy ever until I got to blasted steps

[storm cipher]

I mesn

First i did was getting eanderer crest

[hardy tangle]

bilewater platforming is late platforming and its pretty basic

especially when youre doing it AFTER mount fay

[storm cipher]

Im waiting for path of pain silksong edition

[light swan]

i like how bilewater platforming feels different and has a lot of different quirks to it such as the bloatroaches and the explicit timings of the exploding balls, those make them feel much different from hunters march

[hardy tangle]

for a lot of people it helped them learn hunter pogo

[sour kraken]

bilewater made me question my existence

[storm cipher]

Hunter pogo is nice

[hardy tangle]

have you ever been hit by those exploding balls

[storm cipher]

I like this

[raw pawn]

Wait you can get wanderer before getting cling grip?

[hardy tangle]

shit has like a 8 second delay realistically youre not getting hit by that unless you suck

[light swan]

the atmosphere exploration and how cohesively designed it is make it interesting enough to be my favorite area

[light swan]

yes, besides the fact that you can’t pogo the thing you just pogoed, forcing you to move onto the next one still exists

[storm cipher]

I hate bladted steps

[light swan]

you don’t need to get hit for the balls to do it’s purpose

[hardy tangle]

yes the atompshoere is amazing obviously like the atmopshere of most areas in this game is great the design though is overrated its mediocre at best and is just BIG

[raw pawn]

I love sands of karak

[hearty kelp]

same

[split cape]

Reminder if it wasnt for ballow, PHARLOOM WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD

[light swan]

i’d say no area comes close to making me feel the way i did in bilewater at all, except maybe greymoor

[hardy tangle]

double jump + float stalls like crazy

[raw pawn]

Breaking those walls in sands of karak was satisfying for some reason

[sweet scarab]

its
its the guy
who
who guy
pinnley
help with needle

[light swan]

still fundamentally feels different than hunters march especially if you need to do allat

[storm cipher]

Guys, where is nail art pinstress, i forgor

[sour kraken]

it’s either that or sinners road and then the cancer that comes after it

[raw pawn]

Pilby

[hardy tangle]

not different enough considering its a late game area

after mount fay after cogwork core

[storm cipher]

I think sinners road is easier

[sweet scarab]

guys what do you think aobut my drawing

[raw pawn]

A lot of people who played the game don't know that the little pilgrim is called pilby btw

[storm cipher]

Is that my girl karmelita?

[split cape]

no

[remote talon]

DUDE MY COGFLIES ARE KILLING THE POGO BUGS HOW DO I GET OUT OF THE ABYSS

[raw pawn]

Take them off 😭

[storm cipher]

What little pilgrik

[split cape]

Dont use them?

[remote talon]

theyre already active

im in the lava chase section dawg

[raw pawn]

The one that sits near the bench in bone bottom

[light swan]

atp what counts as “enough” varies per person and isn’t as fun to talk about

also, as i’ve stated, bilewater is intended to be an exploration atmosphere area so i really dont mind if it’s not mindblowingly unique as long as it crafts the atmosphere and gameplay loop it needs to and feels fun to traverse which it succeeds in

[split cape]

Dont use them THE NEXT TIME

[remote talon]

WHAT DO I DO NOW

[split cape]

Accept your fate

[raw pawn]

Is it called bone bottom or mosshome anyway?

[storm cipher]

I did the same what you do eith elderbug in 1. I skipped his dialogue

[remote talon]

guess im using the debug mod

[split cape]

Mosslands

[light swan]

i’m not expecting bilewater to be the next mount fay so i won’t judge it as if it is

[untold dune]

those are two seperate locations, bone bottom is the main town and mosshome is the area above it

[storm cipher]

GIT GUD

[split cape]

Skill issue

[remote talon]

im literally softlocked otherwise

[storm cipher]

God finally i got the dices

[remote talon]

and if i have to do the entire lava chase again i will punch a wall

[split cape]

Just dont use your cogflies there is no softlock smartass

[light swan]

i don’t expect riveting fast paced wonderfully unique gameplay i expect a carefully handcrafted experience that i enjoy

[hardy tangle]

yeah but gameplay wise its not up there

environment and atmopshere it exceeds everything else is just ok

[light swan]

it definitely is for me, the gameplay is fun even if it’s not “new” and it perfectly compliments the vibes

[light swan]

which is what the area is trying to be

[remote talon]

one invincibility + teleport to mouse position later:

[hardy tangle]

which doesnt make it GOOD

[remote talon]

im back in deep docks where tf is my map

[light swan]

my experience with bilewater was amazing because of this fact

[sweet scarab]

i dew pillby

[split cape]

Of course its an archishitter user

[hardy tangle]

if you count all things thats bilewater as an area, gameplay, atmopshere and everything, its honestly overall just a mediocre area

[light swan]

succeeding at its goals makes it good imo, in addition i enjoy those goals

[frosty kelp]

guys witch is so peak this is me whenever I see a driznarga in sands of karak:
Drizznarga: Calculating all possibility of where I will be to snipe me with it's stupid conchcutter
Me: I BET YOU DIDN'T CALCULATE THAT I COULD UNLEASH A TACTIAL NUKE!!! witch binds

[remote talon]

nvm hornet redrew the entire map of pharloom in 1 second after sitting down

[light swan]

i don’t want to find an area that does everything all at once i want to find an area that specializes into something i enjoy

[hardy tangle]

ok so if i tried to make dogshit garbage and i succeed making dogshit garbage does that make it good

[remote talon]

im normally a wanderer main but why not try architect

[frosty kelp]

also high halls gauntlet lowk easy why did I struggle so much on it on my first playthrough 😭

[light swan]

note the “in addition i enjoy those goals” but yes you did what you needed to so its good

[hardy tangle]

ok so if bilewater had amazing gameplay platforming and enemies on top of the great atmopshere you'll like it less than if it was garbage and had great atmosphere

[light swan]

i want a big expansive area with a good atmosphere and i got that so i’ll be happy

[hardy tangle]

thats a slog to go through

[clear delta]

Shouldn't it be the opposite

[hardy tangle]

atp i'd just watch someone play

instead of playing myself so i dont have to experience maggot water

[light swan]

not really what i meant, i meant im not LOOKING or EXPECTING for an area that does everything i do feel like atp youre taking my words and twisting them into something im not trying to say

[split cape]

Lace is the dumber sister

[light swan]

it’s not tho i enjoyed it, enjoyed it so much so that it’s my favorite area

[hardy tangle]

theres areas in the game that succeeds at doing more than 1 thing

[light swan]

enemies are perfectly designed to combat this btw

[light swan]

yea and usually they’re good at it rather than great

[hardy tangle]

resetting the room 50 times so lagnia respawn is amazing design

[storm cipher]

Last jugdge is smashing me

[light swan]

i appreciate the nuance bilewater has in that everything feels hand crafted to create an experience i 100% enjoyed which is why it’s my top 1

[hardy tangle]

but bilewater doesnt make up for it cus everything else is pretty bad or mediocr

[light swan]

you don’t need to reset rooms nor does the game expect you to but it’s there as an option

[clear delta]

Bilewater was pretty cool I feel like people are kinda subconciously gaslighting themselves into believing it's more brutal than it actually is because of its reputation

[light swan]

not necessarily, not being unique doesnt make it bad as long as it’s not boring and bilewater certainly wasn’t boring to me

[frosty kelp]

I hate bilewater bruh 😭 on my first playthrough it bullied me every second I was in it 😭

[clear delta]

Swamp squits respawn without leaving the room btw

[hardy tangle]

lets set aside our differences i think bilewater is just boring its just eye candy in a weird way and doesnt do anything else and doesnt try to do anything else

[split cape]

GMS after she elevated the weavers

[frosty kelp]

me on my 2nd playthrough speedrunning the way to phantom so I don't have to suffer as long 😭

[hardy tangle]

ermmm u can go in from sinners road

[frosty kelp]

you can? I thought you break exhaust organ wall from bilewater

why didn't you tell me earlier 😭

[clear delta]

There's two entrances to the mist

[ionic folio]

?

[candid kayak]

I just accidentally did some sort of reverse hunter sprint attack and ended up behind the guy I was attacking

[frosty kelp]

also does the mist despawn only when you kill phantom?

[candid kayak]

yes

[split cape]

You have alerted the hornet

[hardy tangle]

its called sinners road cus its the path for the sinners to go to citadel

[light swan]

witch crest for example isn’t the strongest crest in the game nor is it easy to use nor does it have high attack speed nor does it have natural yellow tool slots

all of these make it better in my eyes, if bilewater had mount fay or cogwork core platforming it would lose its cohesive core and if it had difficult enemies you need to pay attention to it would be much more frustrating to traverse

[candid kayak]

definitely not

[frosty kelp]

ohhhhh I'm so dumb

[light swan]

sure ig i can tell we both have very different standards

[hardy tangle]

ok but im right so

[ionic folio]

Power developers released a patch that broke the slab

[frosty kelp]

doesn't bilewater have the 2nd most annoying enemies after the spit squit being the guy who throws 3 needles that can explode

[light swan]

i just had the most fun going through bilewater and it’s designed so intentionally well as to create the final product that jt is

[candid kayak]

there's no pilgrims along that route, it's off the beaten path, filled with murderous beasts, and the exhaust organ is through the mist AND behind sealed walls

[light swan]

only spawn in 4 rooms, bilewater is the 2nd biggest area, i can let it slide

[candid kayak]

and then if you somehow made it into and out of the mist phantom wouldn't let you pass

[frosty kelp]

ngl I will admit bilewater is not as annoying as deepnest even if I don't hate deepnest but I just don't like bilewater because of the stupid pin throwing dude

[hardy tangle]

whos to say it wasnt sinners road before phantom even existed

[candid kayak]

...hm

[ionic folio]

[hardy tangle]

before it was sealed and the name just stuck

[sweet scarab]

i drew lumble

[candid kayak]

perhaps

I'm willing to believe that

[frosty kelp]

bruh kids nowadays can use multibinder to traverse bilewater back in my days we found wreath of purity hours after already being through that nightmare

[clear delta]

Sinners road is almost surely named for some unknown reason in universe
The reference to the alt route of the citadel is probably a meta thing

[candid kayak]

yeah

no every pilgrim sees "Sinner's Road" appear in the center of their vision when they enter the area

[frosty kelp]

wait so do all sinners go that way to the citadel and then fight phantom and go through the mist?

[clear delta]

The point is that they don't

[light swan]

it’s because lugoli and all the other muckroach cultivators are all sinners who need to make do living in toxic environments farming adult maggots

[dim elm]

biggest regret was not beating up kratt before the flea festival

[candid kayak]

diegetic title text

[frosty kelp]

wait guys if you beat up kratt once can you ever beat up kratt again?

[candid kayak]

no only once

[dim elm]

you cant buy the spa once the flea festival starts right

[candid kayak]

yeah

[clear delta]

I swear none of these mfs have fought nkk (nightmare king kratt), that fight singlehandedly redeemed kratt for me

[frosty kelp]

picture?

[candid kayak]

hornet having nightmares about kratt

[dim elm]

when kratt revealed he was just doing repairs and not peeping i realized how he's a good person

and then hornet stripped naked infront of him which was crazy tbh

[candid kayak]

WWAAHHH

[frosty kelp]

bro hornet is not that emotional I feel like the ghost has more emotion than her 😭.
Ghost: Sits with quirrel peacefully
Hornet to vaultkeeper: I'M TIRED OF YOUR IMPUDENCE PLAY THE SACRED CYLINDER AND PAY SOME ROSARIES TO ME FOR FINDING IT YOU SON OF A VAULTKEEPER!!!!!
Edit: Nvm hornet just angry at stuff

[tawdry locust]

I bought the game off steam no piracy included and I used an pc emulator

[frosty kelp]

Guys should I make my own list of tools maximum damage capacity

[dim elm]

why not

bass clef spotted. bassed.

[silver nacelle]

Isn't delver's drill at the top because of the number of uses combined with damage?

[quick swan]

cool! idk how playable this is tho, in terms of controls i mean

[tawdry locust]

I turned my volume up and volume down buttons into RT and LT

[split cape]

I hope they make bell beast and bell eater swap places for april fools

[quick swan]

hahaha thats really funny

[quick swan]

hell yea

[tawdry locust]

I'm actually FR I did that

[clear delta]

You just proved she has more emotion gng

[dim elm]

what bass instrument do you play

[silver nacelle]

Or do a fakeout in the pantheons where you see Bell Beast only for it to be replaced by Bell Eater.

[dim elm]

winged bell eater

[silver nacelle]

He too fat.

[quick swan]

okay im gonna be honest im just into jazz theory and such, i dont own a bass.. I could play it tho, seeing as I can play guitar

and the bass clef looks cooler than the treble one

[split cape]

Not too fat hes TOO LONG

[silver nacelle]

He's both.

[dim elm]

thats fine, as long as you're enjoying yourself then its fine with me.

[frosty kelp]

yeah my bad but she just screams at everyone I would hate a person with hornet's personality irl

[lament lotus]

april fools update would be awesome but i don't think its happening

[frosty kelp]

correct it's just pretty hard to land all

[quick swan]

i got bored of the guitar cause i couldnt play big chords so now im learning how to play piano and its lowkey hell

[frosty kelp]

@dim elm did you copy my name 😭

[silver nacelle]

It's a pogo. Doesn't seem that hard to land.

[dim elm]

uh.. no gen7 is a really different format

[silver nacelle]

Your battle will be legendary.

[frosty kelp]

no the hard part is to land all hits

[light swan]

it’s surprisingly narrow

[silver nacelle]

I see.

[dim elm]

i like lowkey havent played ou in like 2 years atp

[frosty kelp]

I like to play gen 8 as a casual but I play vgc competitively I put this name on cus it's my showdown account name

[dim elm]

i need to get back into it but it always stressed me out queueing

[silver nacelle]

Really? I thought it'd be forgiving considering it has limited uses.

[light swan]

gets the drawback of not being able to hit anything in front of you which means that + being slow makes it a bit less versatile

[split cape]

I got 112 on the game am I good

[dim elm]

i got cooked by a bunch of low level bad strats because i lowkey suck and i havent been too comfortable queueing ever since

[light swan]

at least charged architect pogo has enough range to still be able to hit things and hunters pogo goes in front as well as being nearly instant

[silver nacelle]

Damn. That sucks.

[clear delta]

Not really tbh
She's usually super polite, caridnius was just kind of repeatedly being an ass

[orchid locust]

no way i got exactly 112 too

[frosty kelp]

this is why vgc is better. stall doesn't work :))

[light swan]

also missing it leaves you vulnerable for like 2 seconds

which doesn’t mean you’ll get hit just that you won’t be able to attack during this time

[dim elm]

nah it wasn't stall, im pretty okay into stall. i got cooked by a sun team in the gen where dedicated sun is at its worse (it was also using mbee and victrebell)

[silver nacelle]

I'm sorry, but architect pogo is never gonna be good in my eyes. Maybe for someone else.

[dim elm]

i got cooked by victrebell and havent mentally recovered since

[light swan]

it’ll always stay as my 2nd favorite pogo fortunately

[frosty kelp]

have you seen how she treats the green prince upon first encounter? "As you wish prisoner"

[silver nacelle]

Isn't it cancelable?

[clear delta]

I like it, I like my diagonal pogos
Architect needle as a whole needs to be used more

[remote talon]

nvm architect sucks

[frosty kelp]

my lovely sun is so peak in vgc

[silver nacelle]

That's fine.

[clear delta]

It's because she is deeply homophobias

[light swan]

not if you’re drilling into the ground i think

[frosty kelp]

if you stack up on shards outside of the dream you will recover all of the them when you leave the dream

[silver nacelle]

I love drilltect. I respect the hell out of that build. I just suck at using architect as a whole.

[dim elm]

this is probably better fit for off topic but im a singles player through and through

[frosty kelp]

no at this point she doesn't know green prince is gay

[frosty kelp]

it's cancellable

[clear delta]

It's the gaydar

[light swan]

like it’s funny how some people love beast pogo but don’t like architect pogo

[silver nacelle]

It'd be weird if it wasn't cancelable.

[remote talon]

im all out of tools and shards and i just got to crust king khann

[light swan]

architect pogo is just beast but slightly different and more versatile

[remote talon]

that was all for the gauntlet

[frosty kelp]

nah beast is peak architect gives me brain damage

[dim elm]

shes a homophobic lesbian with a perfect gaydar

[light swan]

my point has been proven

[clear delta]

Memories don't cosume shards or tools btw

[remote talon]

i know
but in the memory, im all out

[frosty kelp]

damn

[clear delta]

Well khann is easy, also did you open the shortcut

[frosty kelp]

leave the memory. Stock up 800 and buy more later. Come back and destroy

[remote talon]

the what

[dim elm]

you should be to bulk buy shell shard bundles

[clear delta]

You can open a shortcut before the arena before khann

[silver nacelle]

??? Beast is a lot faster than charged architect and goes at a different angle

[remote talon]

too bad im already in the arena

[dim elm]

I have like 4k rosaries that i have no use for other than bundles and its so slow to buy them all

[frosty kelp]

me in my main save with 3000 rosaries and nothing to spend it on

[clear delta]

What is the exact arc of the beast pogo

[frosty kelp]

yes bruh

[dim elm]

should i get my last % in hk

[light swan]

i’d say it’s only slightly faster, overall architect has more range and can still adjust the charge length as well as being able to pogo right on top of themselves unlike beast

[silver nacelle]

Did someone ever even put a number on it?

[frosty kelp]

it depends you can manipulate it to be different https://youtu.be/2g3lg6xZSGQ?si=wN84oCvN3YBDqfH3

[coarse leaf]

goodnight everyone ❤️

[dim elm]

gn

[light swan]

you can do what beast does, slower but for more damage (which also has a hitbox at the start) but you also have the option to not do that

[plucky onyx]

good night

[light swan]

i can understand liking beast more than architect but it’s kind of super unfair to architect

[silver nacelle]

Yeah, which makes it weird that you're calling them only slightly different.

[coarse leaf]

idk i just like beast more cause architect is slow

[light swan]

yea it is slightly different, architect is more VERSATILE tho

by slightly different i mean that architect can do the same thing that beast can with only small considerations

[coarse leaf]

[light swan]

being a bit slower but for an instant pogo hitbox as well as double damage are the slight differences

[halcyon loom]

people like architect???

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380

[light swan]

apparently it’s just me who likes architect pogo

[frosty kelp]

architect is unfair because of curve sickel 153 dps against nyleth and volt vessel bola 269 dps with quick sling equipped

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-skong-sk-gif-9152098084645823068

[coarse leaf]

flea bounce be so fun with beast

[silver nacelle]

I don't know. I barely use the other crests so I'm not a professional on them, but they still feel vastly different.

[halcyon loom]

the wind up/delay on architect pogo is the worst thing ever

[light swan]

they are fundamentally and functionally p much the same

[frosty kelp]

also made by illusion

[frosty kelp]

ngl this gameplay looks kinda sloppy 😭

[silver nacelle]

Any beast player that hasn't gotten used to the pogo is not a beast player yet.

[light swan]

you can control the wind up yoi don’t have to fully charge it, in which case it’s only slightly slower than other crests and faster than beast and teaper

[frosty kelp]

bro really just killed lace and ended wtih the stitch pose

[torn herald]

"Bro I swear I only use wanderer for the hk moveset!"

[light swan]

mb for not always having perfect gp

[frosty kelp]

sadly that's me I just can't seem to hit flying enemies

[silver nacelle]

I don't use them enough to argue against that.

[frosty kelp]

yes your bad :)))

[silver nacelle]

Damn.

[halcyon loom]

it took me a few tries for that lol

[light swan]

i found architect pogo to be so much more useful in flea bounce ngl

[frosty kelp]

anyway I should practice wanderer csc to see what I can do

actually awnderer should not do csc it hsould just jump and slash and cloak

[light swan]

it can’t beat the goats (shaman, witch, reaper) but it’s such a lifesaver

being able to pogo from so far away as well as timing your pogos while airstalling is so satisfying

the range is so good for when a flea goes past but you still need to pogo it

[halcyon loom]

do people charge architect pogo???

[light swan]

i do, 4x range and 2x damage

[halcyon loom]

i think it takes a lot of practice to get used to the timing, i personally can't

[light swan]

it’s still quite instant without charging

[light swan]

it’s a skill based pogo i don’t blame you, i just want you to be aware that it’s not bad just you’re not good with it

[frosty kelp]

well the noob build is: red tools: flintslate blue tools: volt filament injector band longclaw yellow tools: compass weighted belt magnetite dice silkspeed anklets and stitch as silk skill
Edit: me realising that cross stitch takes skill 🤯

[orchid locust]

i js use wanderer and hunter for bounce cause i’m bad at timing any pogo thats not instant

[frosty kelp]

me

[silver nacelle]

I used reaper for bounce because I was too tired from the other flea mini games.

[remote talon]

died at gauntlet 3 in coral tower
as to not break my fist punching a wall i will have to stop here

[halcyon loom]

spool extender, long claw, volt filament, weighted belt, barbed bracelet, silkspeed anklets, dice and parry

[halcyon loom]

yeah i like something instant

[orchid locust]

unb strength, quick slash, shaman stone, spell twister

[frosty kelp]

well actually I have a hot take and it's that wanderer is better at face tanking aggressive play than beast and it's because you don't actually need to face tank. Just stitch

also for ultimate noob build drop injector band for druid eyes

[light swan]

architect pogo is so nice

[silver nacelle]

Spell twister in silksong requires full hp.

[frosty kelp]

the skill it takes to pull that off is insanity

[light swan]

like imagine if you had to shoot a gun but you didn’t have time to aim and line it up with the target

[halcyon loom]

even though a charged architect pogo can do 2x damage, hunter pogo is still better than architect for me since i can do it twice or without really have to capture the timing for it

[frosty kelp]

yup

[silver nacelle]

The fact you managed to pre aim it is insane.

[light swan]

architect gives you the perfect charge time

[frosty kelp]

exactly

[light swan]

yes that’s what i’ve been saying

[orchid locust]

fuck you talm bout i think you’re confusing it with the egg of flealia in hollow knight

[light swan]

you can start holding it and release it when you need to

[halcyon loom]

we do it with precision through finesse and instict from all the practices, you don't really have time to aim and prepare all the time

[silver nacelle]

I don't think I can pre aim something in the middle of a fight.

[light swan]

but it’s nice to have the option

[silver nacelle]

Oh, my apologies.

[light swan]

if you know how the enemy is gonna move you can just use it and release once y’all line up

[frosty kelp]

fractured mask???

yo nomad you wanna like drop some propaganda video of cool wanderer gameplay

[silver nacelle]

But against fast moving enemies, that window is rough.

[orchid locust]

whats the best crest to beat pure vessel? i’m hung up on p4 using hunter

[frosty kelp]

???

[marble lintel]

poshanka!

[halcyon loom]

and if you mess up your timing even once, you miss and might get punished afterwards, it doesn't have the same "flow" as something rapid and instant like wanderer

[light swan]

hence why it takes skill

[orchid locust]

fym ??? should i be using a different build for the knight or sm

[glossy grotto]

God flea juggle is so hard 😔

[light swan]

letting go of an input has the same timing as inputting an input

[frosty kelp]

idk man it just feels weird to use a face tank tool when the only reason wanderer is better than beast is that stitch exists

[silver nacelle]

I find it eh. If you're that low, you're already about to be killed by the boss.

[light swan]

there’s no difference in the timing

[frosty kelp]

fract mask is peak in steel soul is trash in normal gameplay

[halcyon loom]

yeah i do aware slow stuffs actually take much more skills than the faster ones

[orchid locust]

flea juggle was the easiest for me to beat seth at

[silver nacelle]

Yeah, but letting go at the right moment again something like Lost Lace would be terrifying.

[halcyon loom]

fractured mask is for morale support lol

[light swan]

the difference is that youre allowed to wait in the air while getting ready for the timing whereas other pogos you fall while getting ready for the same timing

[frosty kelp]

you know I remember I asked this server: juggle tips?
Everyone: GIT GUD
me: GIT GUDS and beats seth score

[light swan]

whats the difference between letting go and pressing at the right moment? you’re still doing something at a specific time

[halcyon loom]

being down to 1 mask without fractured mask: panik
being down to 1 mask with fractured mask: kalm

[orchid locust]

my phone js tried to sabotage me by autocorrecting flea juggle to flea jiggle what the freak

[silver nacelle]

Is that I'm stuck in place.

[frosty kelp]

that used to be me but I realised that was unhealthy

[frosty kelp]

that's only for steel soul

ohhhh the 119 damage sting shard at the start and hunter sawtooth pogo and sharp dart filament is so peak

[bronze sandal]

E

[halcyon loom]

it's not bad when you're not good at the game yet, it supported me to go through the high hall gauntlet in my first playthrough

[light swan]

which is a good thing because you won’t be falling into enemy attacks or out of the air in flea bounce

longer example of the customizable charge time being super useful

[frosty kelp]

ok yeah that looks useful the clip earlier looked at ur a god gamer and it was all skill

[hexed sigil]

Oh you guys are freaks

[arctic epoch]

What crest?

[silver nacelle]

Okay, I think this is subjective because I'd rather have more motion than more of that.

[frosty kelp]

yeah try using that against lace 2 or trobbio for a free hitless boss

[frosty kelp]

imo illusion might be the best silksong player in this whole server 😭

[light swan]

like it’s such a useful thing to have, just waiting and then releasing right as they pass by

[frosty kelp]

against lace 2 and trobbio no but yes against everything else

[hexed sigil]

Best public silksong player*

[arctic epoch]

On certain crest and situations, it is good

[frosty kelp]

oh ok illu is being humble

[light swan]

like that fourth pogo where i could just wait.,,, and then snipe them as soon as they come into contact

[frosty kelp]

yes

[frosty kelp]

in this server specifically. Outside I think there are better players

[orchid locust]

lace 1 feels so slow on subsequent playthroughs like come on cro js attack me already

[light swan]

it’s saved me countless times as im under kratt and i need to slowly stall as he drifts down

[arctic epoch]

sawtooth pogo might not be as effective but yeah, its still sorta good

[frosty kelp]

the best way to use wanderer sawtooth is to practice against gms

it yields 74 dps with suboptimal gameplay against gms

[arctic epoch]

Spogo chain is kinda unrealistic in actual combat...

[silver nacelle]

Most of the time, no. Wanderer attacks so fast that alternating between it and sawtooth actually lowers your DPS.

[frosty kelp]

no I'm not spogo chaining I'm just side slashing

[tired flume]

Guys so is Karmelita insane hard with 8 masks and hivesteel needle?

[light swan]

legit just covering an entire line that i can detonate at will

[frosty kelp]

no that's how I did her

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-skong-gif-16335370890033522618

[sharp tundra]

No one got me hk
So i downloaded mobile
and its ass

[frosty kelp]

he was talking about wanderer crest

[hexed sigil]

Full screen that for me rq

[frosty kelp]

hunter and witch spogo chain is realistic ofc it's quite consistent

[sharp tundra]

How that works

[frosty kelp]

the binds are so peak

[silver nacelle]

And reaper.

[frosty kelp]

reaper is less consistent with spogo chainging in combat if we ignore sister splinter

[light swan]

ah

[light swan]

it’s usable against everything not sister splinter

[arctic epoch]

you wont be able to do the same with Sister Splinter or any bosses that has contact damage. If you're not that good, that is (on Wanderer)

[silver nacelle]

No, I've seen someone crap on a grand reed with spogo reaper like witch.

[light swan]

me when me when

[silver nacelle]

Whatever you think will help you. If you need the healing, I recommend multibinder.

[light swan]

@lore accurate hornet

[silver nacelle]

Yeah, cool dude.

[frosty kelp]

really?

[frosty kelp]

oh yeah I should check that video again I know which one ur talking about

[orchid locust]

grand reed clips aren’t indicative of normal gameplay cs bro js stands still for like 20 planetary cycles after waking up 😭 😭

[light swan]

yes, why would it be sister splinter specific 😭

[light swan]

they did it against karmelita arena too

[frosty kelp]

IC

[light swan]

although it was a bit more basic sawtooth gameplay less teaper specific stuff

[silver nacelle]

Ppl are surprised reaper is good at anything 😭.

[light swan]

yea and it pisses me off

[silver nacelle]

We need a reaper main who sends clips to shut them up.

I do that for shaman, you do that for witch, we need one for reaper.

[light swan]

y’all don’t ever see me speaking negatively about anything except for putrified fucks and groal and sb2

[orchid locust]

hunter user orders in fluent reaper, shocks splinter waitress

[light swan]

i could learn and get good at reaper maybe idk

[frosty kelp]

no the video was witch sawtooth it actually is a basic combo. For reaper sawtooth I think it can't be too reaper specific and just general sawtooth stuff

witch sawtooth yields 70 consistent dps against litearlly everything

[silver nacelle]

Nah, it wouldn't be the same. It needs to be someone who'd unite all reaper mains under their banner.

Or something. Maybe I'm being dramatic.

[light swan]

other crests are prob faster from the side

teaper has the benefit where it doesn’t need to worry about height gain at all

[worldly valve]

reaper main with astounding dps

[light swan]

the op horizontal pogo is the selling point for teaper

[frosty kelp]

guys can we talk about how broken sting shard is for how early you get it. at max crafting kits you can land 118 damage consistently with 2 sting shards and 168 with 2 sting shards if ur a pro

[silver nacelle]

Idc about DPS. I wanna see skills.

[lyric heath]

Guys I've played 18 hours over the last two days and I just finished my first ever play through!!

[orchid locust]

ngl the reaper dash attack has potential it’s got that curve up type shit

[worldly valve]

reaper mains are actually Grimm children

[light swan]

faster than clawline im pretty sure, gains silk, it’s what makes reaper sawtooth nice

[worldly valve]

wrong reply

[light swan]

meh it’s good but there’s no actual applications i can think of

in advanced combat at least

[orchid locust]

could you like dash attack fly up then sawtooth pogo

[light swan]

it sounds good in speedrunners vs hunter

[silent sand]

who is the one responsible for beast

[light swan]

you can with other crests too

[orchid locust]

fair

[silver nacelle]

Probably rooksby. He's too good at it.

[light swan]

rooksby and mehieddin7 but i haven’t seen rooksby around much recently

[silent sand]

damn aight

[frosty kelp]

nah but not consistently more than 70 dps. wanderer only has 68 dps if ur always hitting them at every frame and at max attack speed while witch just always has 70 dps human error applied

[raw pawn]

Istg if beast gets a nerf

[light swan]

and now there’s ts

[noble chasm]

does beast really need much convincing the only thing u might be mad @ is the pogo

[silent sand]

does it need one tho

[frosty kelp]

shrogos are way harder than witch spogos

[frosty kelp]

WHAT IS THIS????

[silent sand]

tbf youtube vids sometimes shit on it because of pogo and the heal?

[light swan]

wdym? hunter and wanderer pogo are both faster so realistically they’d be faster

[silver nacelle]

Reaper needs a leader, a herald who will disperse all doubt about the crest.

[raw pawn]

Nah but some people say that beast fury mode being able to pierce is op

[noble chasm]

yeah well those people SUCK!!!

[silent sand]

😭 beast not piercing didnt make sense tho

[noble chasm]

they havent used the crest for more than 5 minutes and claim its bad

[light swan]

you haven’t seen it? gets posted so much in this server

[silent sand]

besides beast piercing made it feel so much better against a boss like karmelita
well atleast feel better with lower effort

[orchid locust]

the reaper reich

wait no that sounds bad i think

[noble chasm]

well i mean u r kind of just clawing at your enemy i dont see why it would pierce

[silent sand]

idk if there are actual hardcore reaper players ngl

[frosty kelp]

absolute destruction I'mma figure what you were doing 😭😭

[silver nacelle]

please, no.

[light swan]

lore accurate hornets favorite crest is teaper wr should get them to join the server

[light swan]

dac spogo clawline dash through enemy spogo spogo

[silent sand]

the length of those claws are insane so i wouldnt be surprised if they punctured

[silver nacelle]

There's one. I've seen them do some cool cross stitch stuff with reaper. But idk if they're willing to take the job.

[frosty kelp]

ohh this is DAC followed by spogo clawline dash through enemy spogo spogo

[light swan]

yes that’s what i said

[frosty kelp]

damn I figured that out without looking

[silent sand]

reaper cross stitch is interesting, do you run into the enemies to activate it?

[raw pawn]

Wait how do you get the architect key again? I am on my 2nd save lol

[frosty kelp]

25 tools

[noble chasm]

now that i think abt it does hornet just throw her needle away w beast crest where does she use it in her base strikes

[noble chasm]

Clawline n etc sure

[silver nacelle]

I think he might've done something similar.

[orchid locust]

whats the lore explanation for the beast crest does hornet js sprout long ass claws and start growling and clawing

[compact robin]

Why do i have the sudden urge to do lace lost n found hitless

[clear delta]

Hey guys, TC representative here. After observing community reactions, we have decided that the Crest system has been too divisive and contentious among the community. As such, we have decided to remove the Crest system in the next major patch. The previous Hunter moveset will now be Hornet's permanent moveset throughout the game. We do have plans to repurpose the Chapels for something completely new, so stay tuned.

[noble chasm]

yeah sounds accurate

[orchid locust]

return to her pharlid roots type shit

[silent sand]

altho ngl the main reason i dont really see reapers potential atm because silk skill based builds [because reaper bind is basically giving you a lotta silk] are probably gonna get outdone by shaman, and rn youtube doesnt seem to have anything related to reaper like we have found with witch

[orchid locust]

i like beast crest because i like the angry garama

[silent sand]

but who knows, maybe someone will figure out something with reaper the same way we found sawitch

[clear delta]

The beast crest is bound from some fat ass bug

Is it supposed to be a pharlid that grew huge? Or something?

[silver nacelle]

And hopefully soon. Reaper doubting has become the norm.

[marsh spoke]

big beastfly

[raw pawn]

I like wanderers and beast because quick slash

[silent sand]

😭 i unironically either forget about its existence or just completely ignore its existence

[scarlet crypt]

SODER

[light swan]

“we”

[clear delta]

Idk it doesn't look like a beastfly

[silent sand]

[marsh spoke]

it does i think it's just big

[clear delta]

I do find it interesting how Architect is bound from a single cog

[maiden stratus]

Meow

[silent sand]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[light swan]

anyway evidence that reaper is perfectly functional with combos if y’all haven’t seen the video

[raw pawn]

Bound the crest of sherma

[silver nacelle]

we need balance between the seven factions.

[silent sand]

altho yeah i still cannot get the clawitch timing down properly, but i feel like thats the consequence of practicing against lost lace

[scarlet crypt]

soder.

[clear delta]

It does actually look like a fatass pharlid

[raw pawn]

"reaper sucks"

[silent sand]

tbf i get that but every crest has something special it does that sets it apart, and that combo can kinda be done on other crests as well, altho that pogo saw combo is easier with it i assume

[silent sand]

mother beastfly kekw

[candid kayak]

what is this, an image for ants?

[light swan]

you can’t necessarily do it the same on other crests

[clear delta]

Physique of a beastfly but pharlid face
And no wings

[light swan]

reapers super good horizontal range on pogo makes it the best at it

[scarlet crypt]

shut le fuck uo

[silent sand]

interesting

[light swan]

and since reaper pogo moves you down, that counteracts the upwards bounce before you can sufficiently float which allows you to stay in 1 place at all times

[silent sand]

people went from calling reaper the best to this happening

[silver nacelle]

It also has that dash attack which can let it start the spogo more smoothly.

[silent sand]

oh yeah i forgot reaper legit brings you down with pogo

[light swan]

demonstration

[light swan]

which other crests can do too

[raw pawn]

Reaper was so peak early game until I got beast and wanderer

[silent sand]

i....never ended up using reaper

[clear delta]

I will forever be a hunter guy but I used reaper for some bosses so I deeply respect it

[raw pawn]

Reaper is still good against flying enemies imo

[silver nacelle]

Damn.

[clear delta]

Wanderer is spiritually Israeli

[marsh spoke]

also needolin dialogue talks about the "ancestor's cry" i think it might be trying to provide life support to its ancestor

[light swan]

it’s this specifically that makes reaper sawtooth cool

[silent sand]

like i think i only really started using reaper after i had already beaten the game and wanted to test it against bosses

[clear delta]

I see

[silent sand]

i just didnt like its movement so i didnt use it much outside of when you first get it

[raw pawn]

Wait a minute

You can play the needolin in the chapels?

[clear delta]

The face does heavily resemble a pharlid mask though

[silent sand]

90% of my playthrough was just wanderer

or hunter

[gritty ocean]

Peak performance reaper is here, finally… it’s now still the worst crest in the game

[silent sand]

actually hunter might be the other 10%

[marsh spoke]

you can play the needolin to savage beastfly and it talks about its ancestor

[clear delta]

I hope they nerf wanderer to the ground in the next patch

[raw pawn]

But click click

[clear delta]

Idc it's boring and it sucks

[light swan]

people shitting on reaper piss me off acting like it’s so bad when it can hold its own

[compact robin]

Ion know why but beast crest is so hilarious to use in steel soul

[silent sand]

what did wanderer do

[elder falcon]

You wanna know what crest I really like?

[silent sand]

idk beast?

[raw pawn]

What's more hilarious is dying because of it

[compact robin]

It's a singleplayer game bro who cares

[clear delta]

Those people have no free will or thought ignore them!!!

[raw pawn]

Yes you like wanderer trust

[light swan]

they’re people i talk with regularly

[clear delta]

I find it boring so I really really really hate it!

[compact robin]

What's even more hilarious is dying because my ass did NOT buy ascendants grip for the far fields gauntlet

[elder falcon]

Guys so close!! I don't think you all could guess my favorite crest

[silent sand]

hmmm architect?

[clear delta]

This is actually true though why are they still nerfing shit

[silver nacelle]

The problem isn't that it can't hold its own, it's that it doesn't have a niche that other crests don't beat it in.

Which sucks.

[arctic zinc]

Nerfing everything but architects

[elder falcon]

So close! It's actually witch

[clear delta]

I respect architect users that don't mindlessly spam tools

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[silver nacelle]

Drilltect, my second beloved.

[clear delta]

I tried using witch but couldn't missing the bind was Too painful.

[elder falcon]

COUGH COUGH sorry that was my voice faltering..! I mean reaper

[arctic zinc]

99.9% of All users of architects do exactly that, especially since its CA got nerfed

[light swan]

all tc do is buff other crests and nerf witch crest relatively

[silent sand]

witch got nerfed?

[clear delta]

I tried using shaman but couldn't because I Suck ass.

[frosty kelp]

😭

[frosty kelp]

nope not yet

[compact robin]

It's mostly just tools and not crests which i don't think they will be doing anything about

[arctic zinc]

How do you suck on shaman, you can literally just run away and spam skills

[compact robin]

Like wanderer's IS meant to be fast and furious.
It's literally quickslash

[clear delta]

The scare about witch spogo being removed was funny

[frosty kelp]

just click funny button to delete some random trash mob

[compact robin]

They knew what they were doing

[arctic epoch]

Thats playing Shaman unoptimally

[clear delta]

Normally I heal a LOT

[patent kestrel]

Use fleabrew to then make it that you just vaporize enemies

[arctic zinc]

Yeah its not very efficient and slow, but its easy

[frosty kelp]

no TC can't do anything about it because it's part of the ELEGANT moveset and also sawtooth was buffed in the past

[glacial sequoia]

I was thinking of changing reaper to have 2 silk skills and 1 red tool

[arctic zinc]

Lol dont get hit

[frosty kelp]

are you talking about dash cooldown cancel or is there something I'm missing

[clear delta]

Ts especially ironic cuz I'm a hunter fan 😭

[arctic epoch]

"Spam" + runaway strat

[compact robin]

Frrr
Tho flintslate better

[arctic zinc]

Lmao

[soft belfry]

are the bots still around

[compact robin]

we literally got unb. Strength and qs with conditions and guess what
Iam not complaining

[elder falcon]

My honest opinion on every crest pt 1

Honestly, witch crest is kinda ||really good if used with the correct strategy, though learning it is hard for me personally||

[arctic zinc]

No just waiting to restore your silk passively and spam skills

[clear delta]

The whole reason it wasn't working was because the guy didn't have double jump 😭

[soft belfry]

as a hunter user relatable

[elfin tendon]

new dlc map leaked 👀

[clear delta]

I love my diagonal pogos

[patent kestrel]

I feel like using pale nails,thread storm and using sharpdart or cross stitch is the most balanced shaman build

[light swan]

it used to be the only crest that could make sawtooth circlet hit twice

in response team cherry removed that and doubled the sawtooth damage, meaning EVERY crest could deal double sawtooth damage except for witch which stayed

of course during the time when witch had the highest damaging attack in the game tc HAD to fix thread storm making it deal more damage than witch bind (thankfully i discovered some strats that allowed witch to keep its crown but STILL)

hunter focus getting buffed and beast fury getting buffed also makes witch generally less useful too, since hunter can perform the same exact dac combo for the same damage now which again makes witch worse relative to others

[patent kestrel]

So either wallywest or shinra kusakabe hmmm

[soft belfry]

thankfully is lowk crazy

[light swan]

it’s difficult for sure

[frosty kelp]

bruhh I thought you would drop some propganda video of a shaman sawtooth combo 😭

[soft belfry]

is flintslate any good on beast and witch

[patent kestrel]

What do you yall think is the best silk skill combo on shaman

[frosty kelp]

lmao yeah that happened to me on my 2nd playthrough except that I figured out it was because of double jump missing

[patent kestrel]

Absolutely

[frosty kelp]

wait but It hought hunter was made to dodge attacks

[arctic zinc]

Threadstorm probs

[soft belfry]

ya but I suck at the dodge, it still works tho

[soft belfry]

if you dont die and hit the enemy a lot, they die

[frosty kelp]

on witch makes the reverse DaC go from 98.7 dps to about 110+ I think I have to redo my math

[patent kestrel]

Combo like what silk skills to use which 3

[soft belfry]

how do you reverse dash

[frosty kelp]

ok illu ok illu

[light swan]

yea ofc they are

[light swan]

this wasn’t me it’s lore accurate hornet

[arctic zinc]

Kinda depends on you, but i like pale nails, threadstorm and either cross stitch or sharpdart

[patent kestrel]

Flintslate is so busted istg

[soft belfry]

I always found the flea brew and flintslate kinda useless cause idk when to pop them

[patent kestrel]

Alr

[frosty kelp]

I should check that guy out I need more videos to add to my "silksong tips to git gud"

[light swan]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0JIqT-0fmJk?si=_jI6grfe4he18tXN explains how it works

[patent kestrel]

I pop them at the start then when I get a time to pop i pop them

Simple

[light swan]

same i suck at using them

why would i pop them when i could be getting hits in? imagine i have an opening for like 4 attacks but i spend 3 of those attacks popping a flea brew flintslate

what’s the good if i pop it and then only get 2 pogos in cuz i got an unlucky attack pattern

[frosty kelp]

I might have to add delver's drill to my wanderer toolkit so I can actually kinda sawtooth pogo you know

[elfin tendon]

hot take of the day: compass is unfathomably unskilled

[light swan]

agree

[gritty ocean]

disagree

[light swan]

why do you need drill to spogo

[elfin tendon]

why so?

[soft belfry]

smth like that yea but I got good at beast bind on unravelled, idk how people have time to proc all 3

[soft belfry]

its more of a qol yea

[frosty kelp]

uhh because wanderer can't spogo so I use drill instead to replicate spogo

[light swan]

oh

[arctic zinc]

Probably preemptively when they know the next attack is gonna have an opening

[light swan]

it can sawtooth attack normally tho

[soft belfry]

yea but doesnt the first wear off as ur finishing

[mighty yoke]

Hamburger

[frosty kelp]

ohhh reaper sawtooth combos consist of clawline to cancel pogo height gain

someone from reaper group should make a propaganda gif

[mighty yoke]

[arctic zinc]

Nah if you Pop them all at the same time you can get them all in, but it doesnt hold for very long

[light swan]

no it doesn’t

[mighty yoke]

Ngl primal aspids are easy to kill

[light swan]

jt uses float not clawline

[soft belfry]

what would be the fav unhealthy food of each character, I think Hornet would like candy floss

[elfin tendon]

yeah but it should be for beginners tbh
someone with atleast 1 100% file and a little over 50 hours of game should know his whereabouts even without it sufficiently

[gritty ocean]

a real skonger wastes slots to make the game harder

[mighty yoke]

[frosty kelp]

yeah ik

[patent kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-gotoh-nijika-ijichi-gif-14807164649244958597

[arctic epoch]

-# Wanderer suckass

[light swan]

why do people say wanderer loses damage doing that

[arctic zinc]

Its a yellow tool, the fuck are you wasting

[light swan]

not proud to have this person in my coven

[frosty kelp]

wait no reaper is worse if you have d jump?

[soft belfry]

honestly not always, if they went to a place 1-2 times and never again, like yea you can figure it out eventually even on a blind playthrough, but like, unless u have dice ur just gonna use compass

[arctic epoch]

Wym, i'm a chill guy

[patent kestrel]

Every crest is good however you must be good to use the crest

[frosty kelp]

beast none fury sawtooth is 85 dps at a grand reed

[arctic epoch]

-# Yeah ans Wanderer suckass

[elfin tendon]

ok maybe im heavily biased due to being a dice glazer

[frosty kelp]

wanderer sawtooth is 121 dps???

[patent kestrel]

Your incorrect

[soft belfry]

I have a challenge file to not use rosaries so no compass and trying to figure out which layer of shellwood I'm at was pain, like you know the rough area but not exactly where

[light swan]

kind of but also float override used to exist + double click jump

[arctic epoch]

My wanderer FC fight is like 43 seconds long

[arctic epoch]

or am i

[light swan]

theyre cancelling double jump with float

[soft belfry]

just use both rah or are you using witch or smth

[frosty kelp]

who is FC and also that's probably human error

[patent kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/power-csm-chainsaw-man-incorrect-wrong-gif-16337578492690093939

[soft belfry]

prob fourth chorus

[frosty kelp]

121 dps wanderer dps is from grand reed combo

[arctic epoch]

Fourth Chorus

[elfin tendon]

im a die hard witch user

[frosty kelp]

ok yeah wanderer vs fourth chorus is really stupid

[light swan]

this is why he’s the Goat the GOATT

[soft belfry]

imagine not using beast, hunter or wanderer (3-4 yellow slots)

[arctic epoch]

-# Witch suckass

[gritty ocean]

you see yellow tools as a useless subsection

I see them as free easy enhancements that take builds to their highest potential, we are not the same.

[soft belfry]

their only downsides are literally not being witch and not being architect 💀

[arctic epoch]

-# Lace suckass

[arctic zinc]

Bro just hates everything

[soft belfry]

which are not really downsides

[arctic epoch]

-# I suckass

[thorn grotto]

genuinely which yellow tool does this apply to other than dice and anklets

[frosty kelp]

why does lore accurate hornet have clip of shaman having 114 dps against a grand reed 😭

[soft belfry]

I find the red slots on beast and witch kinda useless or that just me

[arctic epoch]

neat

[split cape]

Stupid babies

[soft belfry]

needle slap and bind slap works fine

[frosty kelp]

nah I like to sting shard combo before an enemy with witch and also flintslate and flea brew on beast

[soft belfry]

this implies widow is a judge

[soft belfry]

sting shard is based

[elfin tendon]

" " "wawawawa" "hkrah" 🔥

[thorn grotto]

Genuinely I think one of the biggest surprises to me in Silksong was that the Abyss was like a layer of the earth instead of a Hallownest exclusive area

[gritty ocean]

weighted belt & shell satchel (if on SS mode)

[patent kestrel]

Yeah

[soft belfry]

spider strings and ascendents grip trust bro

[elfin tendon]

sting shard > tacs

[thorn grotto]

I genuinely never use ascendants grip 💔

[soft belfry]

*insert my army of sting shards and tacks placed directly where the 2 big guys spawn in high halls

[frosty kelp]

WHY DOES LORE ACCURATE HORNET HAVE A CLIP OF 65 DPS SHAMAN AGAINST KARMELITA WITH HUMAN ERROR AND THE SCREAM COUNTS IN THE TIMER