sk-discussion

[thorny notch]

trobbio 1 or 2

[royal mason]

Both

[thorny notch]

ah ok

[ancient bronze]

not rlly

[royal mason]

tacks r good on The Unravelled too!

[azure gyro]

who killed the dice guy lmao

[unreal sierra]

i dont got the new update 💔

[distant topaz]

You could also say it works well with cogwork wheel

[royal mason]

I did

[ancient bronze]

obama

[native canyon]

he's also uniquely awful without tools or silk skills imo, only sharing that privilege with crawfather

[waxen rampart]

U know the set they use? Like how do they get 3 silk om each hit?

[pulsar oxide]

What do I need to do for Eva to give me lvl 3 hunter

[royal mason]

Use lots of memory lockets

[ancient bronze]

crests and mem lockets

[strange night]

at the end of the day it's a maximum of 6 extra damage per tool use, I think I'd rather use something else tbh

[native canyon]

tormented trobbio is an autistic player's (me) worst nightmare, overstimulation final boss

[arctic epoch]

they hit multiple enemies every hit

[keen solstice]

I'm the one who made that vid

Also it's 15 choir clappers and you get silk depending on how many enemies you hit at the same time

This is realistically how the silk gen would be
https://youtu.be/TQ_rh0kFqK4?si=bFf0a_VCrNq-B3Wd

[royal mason]

I'm an autistic player

[distant topaz]

You still can't deny that it's still a good tool, even if there ARE better options.

[wooden laurel]

woooooo jump into my bombs they’re totally pointing away from where ur going wooooooo

[royal mason]

Real

[royal mason]

Even the smallest enemy in the game so far deals 2 damage what the fuck

[viscid lion]

I didn’t get Garmond and Zaza to help me with moorwing, am I locked out of dueling them?

[lime wyvern]

remember, gms and pharlids both deal 2 damage...

[azure gyro]

who said no to saws 😭

[royal mason]

Difficulty spike is huge

[pulsar oxide]

I have 3 (not including hunter, which is maxed out):
Reaper (maxed out)
Wanderer (maxed out)
Beast (not upgraded)

[strange night]

no I definitely can deny it, late game 6 damage is pretty worthless

[royal mason]

Get rid of that wheel

[marsh spoke]

FUCK OFF I POGOED OFF HIM AND HE THREW THE BALLS

[native canyon]

oh no it's working

[pulsar oxide]

How many more do I need

[tawdry locust]

I got the 2 vesticrest today

[royal mason]

He threw his balls?

[azure gyro]

but what to? thats my question

[native canyon]

yep that'll do it

[distant topaz]

Your only locked out of the duel when you see them resting at songclave.

i did this on accident 🙁

[wooden laurel]

Cool now go jump into my bomb line attack it’s totally not aimed at you

[royal mason]

Replace cogwheel with sting shards

[native canyon]

don't you love when ttrobbio has 6 bombs on screen at the same time :)

[distant topaz]

Anybody else got locked out of garmond and zaza's fight

[strange night]

I don't think that's silksong

[wooden laurel]

Wait they have a fight?

[distant topaz]

I did, it SUCKED!

[marsh spoke]

what do you mean six what did i sign up foor

[tawdry locust]

Okay I will just use a little hollow purple of death

[royal mason]

That's not silksong that's voidsong

[pulsar oxide]

I did in my first playthrough and speedrun

[viscid lion]

FUUUUCK

[strange night]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-just-so-bad-it's-so-bad-ew-panda-it's-just-so-bad-gif-12756154516164019614

[tawdry locust]

Fun fact trobio is the next boss I need to beat

[waxen rampart]

Can u show a pick of the crest set layout?

[native canyon]

he can throw a new set of bombs before the old bombs explode sometimes

[distant topaz]

Yeah! I checked the wiki, youtube, multiple sources...

Turns out they do.

[strange night]

why do people actually use the shitty walljump tool 💔

[native canyon]

covers practically the entire screen

[wooden laurel]

It’s just garmond doing a charge attack,upwards flaily thing and moving around dw

[pulsar oxide]

I somehow almost died to normal trobbio in steel soul

[ornate torrent]

to be fair doing this fight hitless without cross stitch is miserable rng fest

[distant topaz]

welp, no more duel for you

We've been there bro... we've been there.

[devout junco]

Architect users when they have to play the game after entering act 3 (they can't, they've never used a real crest before)

[azure gyro]

ugh time to try beat lace 2 then. time to get my ass kicked

[pulsar oxide]

But luckily I locked tf in

[wooden laurel]

woooooo jump into my bomb line attack

[tawdry locust]

Bro Normal trobbio easy AF

[royal mason]

I use it to hide and let Wispfly do all the work

[left oracle]

IM GON A FUCKING CRASHOUT I CANNOT BEAT HER

[marsh spoke]

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS SHIT

[native canyon]

or sharpdart

[viscid lion]

I wanted to get the journal entry before I go into act 3

[pulsar oxide]

I know

[strange night]

Oh boy I sure do hate engaging with the gameplay!!

[royal mason]

#hk-discussion

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon why can he do that

[royal mason]

But the thing is I'm hiding from High Halls gauntlet

[native canyon]

the power of being gay and depressed

[marsh spoke]

anyway i found out the nart hitbox is wide enough to comfortable hit him from below with it though so thats nice

[wooden laurel]

Im using the architect crest and pimpillos

[keen solstice]

I accidentally opened crest menu while recording

[royal mason]

Gtfo

[ornate torrent]

true. i used to really like the fight but it tanked after i realized how inconsistent it can be without a way to get iframes

[native canyon]

hunter nart is my goat against the trobbios

[left oracle]

AHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pulsar oxide]

My second farthest run died to last judge. Not sure how that happened, but this run is looking pretty good. (I've had at least 20 times that I was on the brink of death)

[ornate torrent]

hunter nart is just my goat honestly, ppl talk about architect and shaman but hunter is so slept on

[distant topaz]

Which boss do YOU guys think is better, and explain your reasoning.
Failed Champion, or Last Judge?

[left oracle]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT HOLLOW KNIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stark kestrel]

i ❤️ original silkshot

[royal mason]

Gruzmother isn't in silksong

[waxen rampart]

Oh ok. Tnx

[distant topaz]

no pictures because I don't feel like it lol

[left oracle]

I FUCKING HATE HER

IM GOING TO GUN HER DOWN USING AN AK47!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[royal mason]

...what's the point of this piece of shit?

[marsh spoke]

hunter nart is the great slash reaper wishes it was

[stark kestrel]

hollow point

[pulsar oxide]

Brood mother ain't even that hard

[icy crow]

Who's the guy behind the confession door in the top bench of Underworks by the way

[mighty edge]

Sherma please…

[tawdry locust]

Pov architect users beating her in 3 seconds and posting it on YouTube

[distant topaz]

Duuude, you've just gotta lock in maan!

You've got this bro!

[royal mason]

Hollow Duty

[pulsar oxide]

Shawt gun

[dawn narwhal]

Are the old hearts needed to complete the hunters journal for the hunters journal badge

[mighty edge]

I’m ngl I prefer grubs to fleas so their cuteness do nothing for me

[stark kestrel]

can we call sharpdart "shart" for short

[distant topaz]

no

[marsh spoke]

I THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF THE RANGE OF THE BOMB

[left oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-i-show-speed-tweaking-tweaker-gif-4717444372669792224

[tawdry locust]

Peak absolutely yes

[chrome basalt]

You didn’t have to cook this hard

[royal mason]

U need to be diagonal of the bombs

[native canyon]

hunter's nart is easily the best imo because of hunter's focus (pun very intended) on needle damage

[distant topaz]

i'm sorry it just sounds weird
sdart sounds better

[ornate torrent]

that and the double silk gen

[native canyon]

@light swan calls it shartfart

[royal mason]

Let's call Cling Grip "Clip"

[marsh spoke]

HE JUST DID THE EXPLOSIONS AND THEN THE TORNADO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO

[stark kestrel]

"crip"

[pulsar oxide]

Rule #1 of silksong: if you think you're in range of the attack, you're in range and will get hit. If you think you aren't in range of the attack, you're still in range and will get hit

[tawdry locust]

Not doing it for me

[native canyon]

TROBBIO!

[stark kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[distant topaz]

Lets call pale nails pails guys

[honest cedar]

Every replay I love Moorwing more and more this mf is cool as fuck

[royal mason]

Let's call Cling Grip "Crip"

[waxen rampart]

Clippy🔥

[left oracle]

use architects crest with curve claw....

[ancient bronze]

fuck yeah

[keen solstice]

Hunter, architect, shaman have the best nail arts

Beast nail art is also great, but you'd rarely be using it outside of flying enemies

[distant topaz]

this is epic right

[royal mason]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-trobbio-dust-smiling-friends-gif-556265872279670689

[agile seal]

I just finished the part with the boss named “Seth”… I don’t know much about this one but isn’t there like some inspiration where Team Cherry named it after a kid?

[marsh spoke]

I DASHED INTO HIM

[ancient bronze]

yeah

[stark kestrel]

you can use beast nail art as floak

[crisp apex]

Hola? Alguien habla español?

[native canyon]

beast nart,,, they fucking massacred my boy in the beta,,,

[marsh spoke]

they need to chain trobbio down and force him to listen to toksik for 7 hours straight

[dawn narwhal]

Are the Old Hearts needed to complete the Hunters Journal for the Hunters Journal badge

[manic knoll]

me

[royal mason]

@compact robin

[keen solstice]

Wdym massacred

This thing is fucking massive

[ancient bronze]

you gotta speak english sorry bud

[azure gyro]

meh the pollip pouch did work.

[waxen rampart]

Deff worth search about when u got time

[native canyon]

I meant the sequence breaks, they patched those out

[agile seal]

Okay then, it’s cause I remember someone talk about it on Yt like around 2 months ago

[keen solstice]

Oh

[dawn narwhal]

Please

[ancient bronze]

i dunno

[crisp apex]

@manic knoll oh

[stark kestrel]

i think act 3 content is part of the journal brochacho

[royal mason]

Why did u ping someone

[crisp apex]

Sorry, bay bay

[left oracle]

I HATE THIS BOSS SO FUCKING MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[distant topaz]

Personally, i'm picking Failed Champion.

Last Judge has a kinda relatively slow pacing once you master her, and Failed Champion is just better overall (mostly due to his speed)

[native canyon]

also god what the fuck is this hitbox 😭 meanwhile reaper gets nothing

[keen solstice]

Also if I'm being honest

Shaman nArt<beast, hunter, architect

Mainly because shaman nArt is literally single target

[manic knoll]

reaper crest gotta be the biggest fraud

[royal mason]

Don't bother with broodmother she doesn't give shit

[dawn narwhal]

Ik but specifically the old hearts I don't wanna fight karmelita

[keen solstice]

It's basically "Fuck you" hitbox lmfao

[ornate torrent]

you need all of them

[keen solstice]

Dash attack hitbox is just as funny

[dawn narwhal]

bruh

[stark kestrel]

does reaper nart do extra damage or something?

[plush coral]

DIAREAH

[keen solstice]

No

It's just overall bad

[native canyon]

no it does the same as beast, 2.5x needle damage

[left oracle]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dawn narwhal]

last judge

music

and i don't like the fuzz (false huzz)

[agile turtle]

Does the recent interview with TC hint at Silksong not getting DLCs?

[marsh spoke]

EDGE OF THE FUCKING HITBOX FUCK YOU TROBBIO I HOPE THEY STRAP YOU ON CAUCASUS WITH THE LIVER EATING BIRD

[left oracle]

i died

[fervent viper]

last judge cuz i didnt like failed champion

[royal mason]

Reaper is absolute dogshit compared to Wanderer

[ornate torrent]

prometheus did nothing wrong, trobbio deserves a much worse punishment

[keen solstice]

Beast nart does 79 in bind btw

[fervent viper]

what recent interview

[royal mason]

Hunter is worse than Wanderer

[marsh spoke]

anyway i think shaman nart is kinda just alright which is sad because it looks cool

[native canyon]

oomfie finally seeing what I went through with ttrobbio 🥹

[marsh spoke]

i think team cherry should stop being afraid to make cool things good

[fervent viper]

hey guys everest isnt speaking english. mods please ban him

[dawn narwhal]

when you get better at the game you learn to love trobbio same thing happened to me

[final socket]

I’m very basic and prefer to use witch and hunter

[marsh spoke]

WHY IS HE NOT FUCKING KILLING ME I'VE BEEN AFK FOR 30 SECONDS

[stark kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-trobbio-dust-smiling-friends-gif-556265872279670689

[native canyon]

team cherry hates reaper

[keen solstice]

Shaman's nart hitbox is VERY good, but it's single target which is eh

[distant topaz]

: |

[waxen rampart]

Put him, groal and all those anoying enemies together crapped and squished to agony while in a iron maiden

[stark kestrel]

mucked trobbio

[plush coral]

DIAREAH

[native canyon]

it's genuinely so hard to die to him intentionally 😭

[distant topaz]

: | seriously?

[agile turtle]

@fervent viper https://www.thegamer.com/hollow-knight-future-games-standalone-exist-alongside-each-other/

[dawn narwhal]

What's the closest ventrica to the seth/nyleth area

[waxen hemlock]

i swear there was a bench here

[distant topaz]

Really, everyone likes Last Judge more?

Failed Champion isn't THAT bad guys.

[plush coral]

Once shakra moves the bench goes with her

[waxen hemlock]

bruhhhhh

[plush coral]

Failed champion can stay failed

[fading trail]

Failed Champion is good, Last Judge is better

[ornate torrent]

it's only there while shakra's there

[marsh spoke]

what if i bit my monitor what if i did that

[native canyon]

failed champ is mid last judge is peak

[plush coral]

It's bitten

[snow path]

Just finished my first no hit run of silksong

[royal mason]

The bench is Shakra's

[stark kestrel]

trobbio isn't that bad cmon

[distant topaz]

Really???

I thought he was pretty good!

[royal mason]

Ok and?

[untold dune]

holy peak

[plush coral]

I lowk just hugged a wall and let the weaversong children and the aspids kids do all the work

[fervent viper]

i read many statements on dlcs being worked on, are you trying to say that the fact that more games are possible would mean no silksong dlcs and just a new game right off the bat? unlikely, i expect silksong to have as much or more dlcs than hk even if they actually plan on making a new game

[snow path]

Took me since game release

[plucky steeple]

Yay skong won best indie AND best pc game :D

[royal mason]

Where is the "that's fucking crazy" meme

[marsh spoke]

WHAT DO I EVEN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[native canyon]

tc making a fellow game dev satan himself in their new game because they're bored

[dawn narwhal]

What's closest ventrica to nyleth area

[waxen rampart]

Last judge is just a difficulty spike. U either like or hate that

[plucky steeple]

(Aka basically second place)

[manic knoll]

Fuck this little shit

[ornate torrent]

imo going from blasted steps bellway is the fastest

[fervent viper]

in what

[compact robin]

Moofwing

[final socket]

I don’t have that one

[plush coral]

Choral chambers

[plucky steeple]

Golden joystick awards

[ornate torrent]

i wonder why hornet doesn't just kill broodling honestly

[agile turtle]

Yes, that is my question. More possible games=no Silskong DLCs

[manic knoll]

sake of the history

[plush coral]

I love Last Judge's DIAREAH

[untold dune]

no cash reward unlike last time

[trim estuary]

she's the best

[native canyon]

she probably doesn't give a shit honestly

[agile turtle]

That is what scares me

[ornate torrent]

i mean she expresses her desires to see the flies exterminated

[compact robin]

Pure unadulterated happiness

[plush coral]

Nice name

[untold dune]

top 10 pics of the decade lowkey

[native canyon]

🤷‍♂️

[snow path]

Should I try to beat silksong and hollow knight at the same time no hit?

[fervent viper]

i dont see that happening, i feel like they really want to explore more of silksong before they eventually POSSIBLY decide on making a new game, plus an argument just from my own perspective and opinion, theres just no way there wont be more than 3 dlcs i KNOW there has GOT to be quite the dlcs for this game

[untold dune]

i mean if you insist 😭

[left oracle]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[native canyon]

methinks the fly entries are written with the idea that you get captured (note the vaultborn entry)

[snow path]

The devs said there will be silksong dlc and that they have big plans for it

[native canyon]

vaultborn even has that unused entry

[untold dune]

well yeah probs

[soft belfry]

If ur good

[native canyon]

so they just didn't fucking care enough ig lol

[left oracle]

im no longer tweaking

[snow path]

I no hit both games before

[untold dune]

itd be interesting if the slab enemies had different entry notes depending on if you got kidnapped or not

[soft belfry]

Cause I heard there's a 1s switch delay and you can die during that

[left oracle]

i hate broodmother. i hate broodmtoher.

[native canyon]

yeah

[soft belfry]

Silk issue

[compact robin]

Broodmother is kinda adorable

[fervent viper]

and we the players have MANY speculations AND possibilities on dlcs, honestly, some npc dialogue also hint on possible dlcs on their expansion

[leaden delta]

yeah ur right maybe 21 narts is a lot but maybe u could’ve had like a couple general ones?

[ornate torrent]

thatd be interesting

[dawn narwhal]

lore accurate hornet

[marsh spoke]

oh my fucking GOD

[left oracle]

FUCK

[agile turtle]

I just hope so. I hope you're right

[snow path]

They would be on different screens but connected to one controller

[native canyon]

yeah fair, most of them are just great slash 2

[fervent viper]

me and everyone here is certain about it dont be scared

[leaden delta]

and then monk has three unique ones that play perfectly around whatever it wants to do

[native canyon]

witch and wanderer get to be special (ass)

[waxen hemlock]

YO

[snow path]

I think I will have to do with hornets past and possibly the old weaver kingdom

[leaden delta]

maybe they have special properties

[compact robin]

Wdym 21 what were you guys cooking

[soft belfry]

Oh not the 5s switch screen one yea that's mb

[ornate torrent]

i don't think every crest should have 3 narts but i think the crests' narts should play more differently

[native canyon]

3 narts per crest

[fervent viper]

i REALLY want an expansion on lifeblood/plasmium

[compact robin]

Please get out of the kitchen 😭

[snow path]

That would be cool

[trim estuary]

too bad they all SUCK!!

[leaden delta]

I wish cyclone was good in this game

[marsh spoke]

THE BOTTOM OF THE HITBOX

[soft belfry]

If the speculations on pharloom bay are true maybe

[distant topaz]

Which boss is better?
Great Nailsage Sly, or Lace 2?

[snow path]

Lace 2

[soft belfry]

Lace 2 is kinda sad a fight

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[trim estuary]

pharloom bay will probably have plasmium content yeha

[compact robin]

Lace 2 and it's not even close

[marsh spoke]

i think you could still have 7 narts that you could equip but make each crest resprite it or something idk throwing out ideas here

[ornate torrent]

also narts are always a generally niche option tbh they only really popped off in the og in colo (which is the main usecase) and bindings

[fervent viper]

honestly? the cut content seen on trailers being added as dlcs (ESPECIALLY pharloom bay and the plasmium area i forgot the name would be sick

[soft belfry]

Never fought sly tho

[fervent viper]

what cyclone

[distant topaz]

For me, I choose Great Nailsage Sly.

He's much more fun in my opinion, and his lore is pretty cool.

[dawn narwhal]

sly I only see lace 2 as a slightly buffed lace 1

[snow path]

He’s in the pantheon

[native canyon]

and you can see that the use case is kinda the same in silksong lol, narts are best in arenas

[ornate torrent]

lace 2 imo, fight feels much more fluid

[soft belfry]

That's the content creator theory they're pushing yea

[soft belfry]

I never played hk lol

[compact robin]

And pretty good for some bosses too
Slowly but surely cut through groal with beast crest nart only

[leaden delta]

still wish the charge time was after naturally

[native canyon]

if you would consult the graph

[ornate torrent]

i actually use narts so much more in this game because you have to commit to one silk skill (unless you use shaman) and for me that's always cross stitch

[marsh spoke]

how can i blame trobbio for a lag death

[ornate torrent]

his particles lagged out your game

[fervent viper]

is watcher knights... above NKG..?

[compact robin]

My eyes hurt stop being too damn flashy

[icy crow]

Should I explore Underworks thorouhgly or just try to find a way out for now? I've apparently found an exit in the top left

[native canyon]

yeah

[dawn narwhal]

Ok father of the flame isn't that bad

[snow path]

Why does it say woke nonsense?

[leaden delta]

because I still think charge time for narts is too slow

[compact robin]

Get tf out

[distant topaz]

So, a bunch of people chose lace 2, huh...

[icy crow]

B-but.. The Cauldron™...

[ornate torrent]

the main advantage of watcher knights is that their radiant fight is so much more engaging than nkg

[soft belfry]

But I've seen a guy fight sly, sly has like a large aoe attack, while lace just hits air, idk which is better or easier tho, since I was pretty stacked when I went to lace 2, and people are stacked when they fight pantheon I imagine

[compact robin]

You can't even go there yet

[leaden delta]

and running nmg isn’t as much of an option in this game

[icy crow]

Well shit

[ornate torrent]

agreed; pin badge charge time should be default

[native canyon]

had an opportunity to fix that and they still doubled down, hell it's worse because the opportunity cost is greater in ss

[marsh spoke]

THE TOP OF THE HITBOX

[distant topaz]

Which one is better?
Skarrsinger Karmelita, or Pure Vessel?

[dawn narwhal]

Wait collector is above first sinner tf😭

[fervent viper]

engaging yea i couldnt care about that in watcher knights i was so PISSED OFF in radiant watcher knights

[soft belfry]

You can go back but there is something good there

[snow path]

And why are bolth grimms only a b

[leaden delta]

Exactly

[dawn narwhal]

pure vessel

[marsh spoke]

i totally agree the nart charge time is just fucked

[untold dune]

karmelita

[ornate torrent]

karm

[compact robin]

Idk why but i just don't like sly.
It's not because he's hard you can easily bait him into missing every attack and getting 3 hits in but i just hate the guy

[compact robin]

Kareem

[snow path]

Karen

[untold dune]

karamel

[ancient bronze]

depends on what point you look at

[leaden delta]

this is how I also feel about hk narts but at least in that game nmg is both extremely cheap and also very good

[soft belfry]

Lol relatable but for another character

[ancient bronze]

mm caramel

[distant topaz]

A pure gameplay perspective.

see what I did there?

[ornate torrent]

no i think hk charge time is fine considering that opportunity cost for nmg is just so low, in silksong pin badge costs the same as like, sawtooth or volt filament

[compact robin]

Kareem

[soft belfry]

Me when I wanna start crest discourse

[distant topaz]

pure? Pure Vessel? Eehh, ehhh???

[leaden delta]

ehhhh

[snow path]

I love karmelitas fight

[ancient bronze]

bro

[compact robin]

[distant topaz]

hehehehehehehehhhhehehheheheheheh....

[soft belfry]

Jk but honestly is there like a build discourse

[karmic sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/penguvee-gif-26135842

[native canyon]

I only use narts in hk when I have nmg equipped, kind of a band-aid fix methinks

[full schooner]

Fun Fact: The fake bench in Bilewater doesn't have a bench pin before you sit on it, foreshadowing that it's a trap smh...

[leaden delta]

I think the issue is considerably less because the solution is exponentially easier

[rancid flare]

Beat the game yesterday. Such auras

[leaden delta]

but that doesn’t stop it from being an issue yk

[snow path]

What does it do?

[fiery burrow]

Narts in HK are still pretty good without NMG especially for enemy combat

[ornate torrent]

true but narts in hk are less useful imo than in silksong

[distant topaz]

What's your favorite build to put on the Reaper Crest?

[full schooner]

...You haven't gotten to it yet???

[fervent viper]

saw it twice, ur dragging it, dead meme, ggs

[snow path]

I never used it

[flint holly]

Quickbind ez choice

[marsh spoke]

you know what else is an issue

[ornate torrent]

sawtooth claw mirrors multibinder flea brew

[karmic sinew]

wsg chat

[native canyon]

only reason I even consider pin badge on some builds now is because I only really need sawtooth and volt filament and sometimes I have an extra slot lol

[full schooner]

It gets destroyed and drops you into a pit of maggot water.

[ornate torrent]

this is my exact reasoning, but i usually prefer snitch pick

[snow path]

Dang

[flint holly]

I don’t recommend Claw Mirrors if you want to farm silks off your opponent

[icy crow]

But can I actually access the Cauldron now?

[native canyon]

snitch pick doesn't add enough for be worth it imo

[marsh spoke]

TORMENTED TROBBIAS

[snow path]

https://tenor.com/view/guarana-gif-12426363218019119024

[compact robin]

For now you just have to leave underworks

[graceful oyster]

I recommend claw mirrors if and only if Witch user

[icy crow]

I'll take the top left exit then

[native canyon]

claw mirrors is goated with multibinder

[compact robin]

You will get back to it much later

[soft belfry]

Like we know that the shaman build is volt filament, maybe weavelight/flealia, and 3 silk skillies, architect is tools with quick sling and shard purse in steel soul, witch is like bind, beast and wanderer is like needle dmg so it's like pin badge (?) but what does reaper and hunter use

[full schooner]

If you wanna farm silk, get your shovel, hoe, and scythe and put the Silk Seeds in your tilled soil.

[flint holly]

I’m not gonna sugarcoa- AHH FUCK!

[distant topaz]

Which boss is better?
Tormented Trobbio or Troupe Master Grimm (nkg was obv gonna win so I needed to tone grimm down)

[ornate torrent]

what do you usually use?

[soft belfry]

Not sure ngl, since you found the way out you can exit, I think the exit is 2 way anyway

[mortal solar]

Silksong 100% worth it?

[wheat imp]

Just qurious, how long was yalls 100p speedrun run? Just wanna know roughly how much time i have to spare

[full schooner]

I feel like it is.

[icy crow]

What's Terminus by the way, I found a transport capsule

[soft belfry]

Depends, do you have time

[flint holly]

100% worth it

[native canyon]

need to open the game hold up

[mortal solar]

I’m at like 90 percent rn

[compact robin]

Useless
For now

[soft belfry]

The end, dw about it yet

[distant topaz]

I don't do the speedruns.

too hard

[flint holly]

You’ll know later. Right now you found the first of many transport tubes for the cogwork citadel

[wheat imp]

ok

[weary gorge]

Did they nerf sawtooth circlet?

[soft belfry]

I heard the hitbox was combined into 1 instead of 2

Might have been silkpost tho

[ornate torrent]

... kinda

[graceful oyster]

No not really

[compact robin]

I wish we get snare setter back

[weary gorge]

I cant get it to combo into a pogo

[snow path]

For only $20 yes it is

[soft belfry]

Also did bro die on ss

[weary gorge]

No lol

[native canyon]

sawtooth circlet overall got a buff but witch no longer has the niche with double sawtooth damage

[compact robin]

I just died to forebrothers while doing a beast crest only run 💔

[distant topaz]

Heh, i'm gonna post my tierlist.

[snow path]

Imagine not no hitting a SS run

[weary gorge]

I cant pogo out of sawtooth rn

[steel stump]

after three straight days
The last judge has been bested

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon took a bite out of my wall it tastes dry

[ornate torrent]

boxshades should i go for all bosses hitless toolless or all bosses hitless skilless first

[soft belfry]

4S: Silksong Steel Soul
4C: Cilkcong Cteel Coul

[weary gorge]

I'm on the beta build of the game are they ablut to push a sawtooth nerf

[graceful oyster]

What

[noble jolt]

why the heck is first sinner THERE?

[native canyon]

do you prefer tools or silk skills

[mortal solar]

Everyone’s favorite crest?

[graceful oyster]

If they push a Sawtooth nerf I'm never opening this game again

[twilit reef]

Witch ‼️

[native canyon]

it's one hitbox now, witch doesn't have the niche with double hits anymore

[weary gorge]

My run rn

[snow path]

You never fought garmod and zaza

[ornate torrent]

two weeks ago i'd go with cross stitch easily, but ... sawtooth...

[distant topaz]

don't ask

[soft belfry]

Commit and do all bosses hitless toolless and skilless

[compact robin]

Wait you can fight them?

[snow path]

Yes

[distant topaz]

I locked myself out of the fight by accident, so i'll never rank him sadly

[noble jolt]

This person thinks soul warrior is better than first sinner ^

[soft belfry]

Noice also ur using that skin

[ornate torrent]

some fights get absolutely cancerous like that

[noble jolt]

[tough ivy]

You might be the real life equivalent of First Sinner by putting her that low...

[snow path]

At one point he will ask you to duel him

[dawn narwhal]

Why are all the hornet sized bosses the best bosses

[soft belfry]

Imagine doing a ss run

[marsh spoke]

tormented trobbio manages to be both really forgiving with some of his hitboxes and adolf hitler with some others

[weary gorge]

Lol are you using it too?

[noble jolt]

The point of the fight is that he's pretty weak so it's not really that mechanically engaging, but it's still a fun little thing.

You're not missing out on that much though

[soft belfry]

Nah but I've seen it, I'm considering modding but idk if the devs are anti mod, I have patchwork on a second offline laptop rn

[snow path]

I did the whole game that way so…..

[flint holly]

Crawfather being in S Tier is good

[soft belfry]

Hitless?!?

[distant topaz]

And? She just forces a playstyle that I don't like to use.

She forces you to be aggressive, which isn't cool at all. I like bosses who give you flexibility.
(not trying to be rude, guys)

[snow path]

It’s not that hard

Just GIT GUD

[flint holly]

The presentation for the entire Craw Court Questline was pefect imo.

[noble jolt]

it's just crazy you put her so low and yet you don't have karm lower ig

[marsh spoke]

FUCK

[soft belfry]

Yeah but I tried cursed ending and blundered for 3 masks lmao

I got hit into spikes so 2+1

[native canyon]

this is my general go-to, I sub out magnetite brooch for barbed bracelet if I'm feeling bored lol

[marsh spoke]

please help me i am being assaulted by a bisexual

[weary gorge]

I dont think they are, I think they like it actually. But im just running the skin mods only rn

[distant topaz]

Again, not tryna be rude, just sayin.

also Karmelita is peak, wdym?

[tough ivy]

Git gud but also not really. Like yes you have to be constantly moving around and dodging but it's not like you have to fully rush if you don't want to

[native canyon]

it happens

[snow path]

The trick to hitless is parry

[flint holly]

You know I’m not gonna sugarcoat it.

[icy crow]

Am I the only one who hates Underlofts because these fuckers spin at random

[soft belfry]

Does the gauntlet count for hitless groal or only groal himself

[noble jolt]

yeah, but like they're very similar so I'm confused why you like one and not the other?

[compact robin]

no
no you are not

[icy crow]

I died in an arena with them and now I have to do such a runback ugh

[snow path]

I count only groal

[marsh spoke]

WHY ARE THE TORNADOES NOT POGOABLE

[noble jolt]

It's wind how are you gonna pogo wind?

[soft belfry]

Cause I heard they could potentially sue

But I'm mostly wanting ui bar mod, skin mod and enemies skin + multiplayer, I don't need removal of double dmg and the other cheats

[distant topaz]

Karmelita gives you more flexibility during her fight. Also, she's harder!

[icy crow]

[tough ivy]

then why cant I use float cloak on the tornadoes :(

[fiery burrow]

Mantis Petras

[soft belfry]

Cause hitless crust king with gauntlet 💀

[noble jolt]

You know when you're like in a storm and the umbrella goes upside down

[distant topaz]

she's not constantly running like a SCARDEY CAT.

[native canyon]

sometimes they are sometimes they aren't I think it depends on the height you pogo from

[snow path]

Nice

[compact robin]

Why is bro still in underworks 😭

[soft belfry]

No I didn't do it

But if you include the gauntlet it becomes way harder

[icy crow]

Spool Fragment 🤤

[snow path]

Oh

[weary gorge]

The developers? Definetly will not sue for nodding, I promise. Id be interested in where yoy heard that though

[icy crow]

I NEED that Spool Fragment

[marsh spoke]

Help me

[tough ivy]

Okay why did you put Widow in A tier then when the 2 bosses share moves and both force you to be aggressive the only difference is that Widow is easier..?

[native canyon]

unless you mean the tornadoes he shoots out

[compact robin]

Sinner's not running either.
Girl just slaying in every way possible lmao
I understand doe

[marsh spoke]

yes

[vivid knot]

Wait a goddamn is the widow a required boss

[native canyon]

oh idk then lol

[strange galleon]

im curious, why hornet talks about lifeblood in such a way that sounds like when she says its bad, its because it is REALLY bad, but then she just inyects herself a LOT

[distant topaz]

It kinda does force you to rush her down if you want to do some damage. She's constantly moving away, and you can't hit her UNLESS you rush her down.

[snow path]

Yes

[noble jolt]

Top three most required bosses in the game

[compact robin]

Get wanderer's and flea brew and you should be fine.

[soft belfry]

I was looking up to see the devs stance on modding, couldn't find anything except that one of them used to be a modder, and not to use their official assets for merch, not sure if that counts for recolors

[noble jolt]

You could just use traps if you don't want to chase her

[obsidian swift]

tbh i find widows bells harder to dodge than the pins that first sinner uses purely because of their bounce

[strange galleon]

git gud

[vivid knot]

nono im wondering because i need 2 speedrun the game for the achievement

[tough ivy]

yea but you can hit her every once in a while with some sneaky hits without rushing

[vivid knot]

OH WAIT THE MELODIES THAT MAKES SENSE

[distant topaz]

i only have so many traps

Plus, she heals during the fight, so.

[weary gorge]

Merch is selling physical items for money, not making mods. You're safe

[soft belfry]

Ya lol did u walk away

[noble jolt]

this always annoyed me because hornet is clearly saying a d sound at the start of the second gibberish word

[native canyon]

you also need needolin to enter act 2 (most of the time )

[compact robin]

You can skip underworks in last judge route btw

[tough ivy]

yea although definitely don't make the mod cost money

[vivid knot]

Dare i ask how?

[soft belfry]

Yeah but if I ever distribute the png even for free would I be in trouble?

Or like if I put in on nexus or other sites, but I'm not monetised, technically nexus/site is getting money because I put it up

[snow path]

As long as you don’t charge for the mods fair use laws protect you and the devs are chill

[native canyon]

breakable wall in grand gate, you can hit the scales to tip them

[distant topaz]

I just found the fight unenjoyable in my opinion, due to her running away from you constantly, and her teleporting.

[marsh spoke]

required silksong bosses are so weird why is trobbio required

[noble jolt]

It's not that crazy. You just hit the scales to make them lower and then you do the platforming scales challenge.

[compact robin]

There's a breakable wall in grand gate that sends you straight into choral chambers

[weary gorge]

No matter what you do with a png its not merch so youre safe

[obsidian swift]

hit the scales in the big grand gate room to move them, then go through the top right breakable wall

[soft belfry]

Yeah I'm tryna reskin gms rn and she has short hair, where the hail is her hair extension file 💀

[astral dagger]

Merch is by definition, physical

[snow path]

Because he blocks the way to the elevator

[vivid knot]

Ooo sweet thanks gang

[distant topaz]

I thought you couldn't reach that?

[native canyon]

guess they wanted to make a boss required for threefold melody? considering vaultkeeper melody would be pretty bare bones otherwise

[compact robin]

You can tip the scales

[snow path]

Use grapple line and pogo

[rocky jolt]

trobbio is related to the vaultkeepers

[astral dagger]

By using bugs only 3 bosses total are needed

[compact robin]

Can't you like avoid the guy by going through whiteward or sum

[obsidian swift]

you dont need clawline

[distant topaz]

Ah, makes sense.

[obsidian swift]

thats only to get clawline you need to beat him for the melody

[soft belfry]

However, we don’t give permission for anyone to use graphics from in the game or official marketing materials created by us – even if you add a scratchy texture to it in Photoshop or whatever. This includes character art, wallpapers, spritework etc etc created by us here at Team Cherry. - official site under merch section

[snow path]

It’s helpful

[noble jolt]

..... we're talking about getting into the citadel without going in underworks, Why are you talking about claw line?

[honest cedar]

Every silksong and HK boss ranked in order including within tiers did I cook or should I be taken out the back

[native canyon]

the room with the elevator can only be accessed through the stage, the door at the bottom is one way

[strange galleon]

ok now that i have your attention, Hornet talks about how lifeblood is practically the same as the Radiance infection, but then the player has the option to overdose. Why is this? It's as if Hornet isn't afraid of being infected by lifeblood.

[snow path]

Sorry there’s a lot going on

[obsidian swift]

you wont have clawline when you get to grand gate in a speedrun

[candid kayak]

(from below by hitting them with the needle)

[marsh spoke]

WHAT DO I EVEN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[astral dagger]

You free bell beast, wipe lace, wipe GMS

[distant topaz]

Okay man, raging conchfly isn't THAT bad

[rocky jolt]

no eyes is so overranked its crazy

[weary gorge]

Not only is that not related to merch but molding helps supportt the community by keeping it active with new content so I encourage you to try any you want to try out

[snow path]

In a speed run you would go to phantom

[distant topaz]

oh uhh also repost yup, just one y'know?

[honest cedar]

Raging Conchflies killed my grandma

[obsidian swift]

thats the old route
judge is faster than even the perfect mist rng

[soft belfry]

Idk if they'll ban my steam if I go online lol

People say tc could hypothetically sue

[noble jolt]

The game allows you to do some things that the hornet herself would not necessarily do according to what's showing her character. It is what it is.

If you wanna come up with a reason why she would do it probably because she thinks the power it grants her is worth the risk for the moment.

[snow path]

There’s a new route!?

[distant topaz]

What?

i'm sorry but how does that make sense

[obsidian swift]

its been used since early october iirc

[snow path]

Dang

[native canyon]

this is how many attempts ttrobbio took for me, for reference this is the third highest attempt count after lost lace (ongoing) and the forum

[noble jolt]

why do you think Bass Hollow Knight is above all the others let alone pure vessel? Like I'm not criticizing I'm just genuinely surprised.

[honest cedar]

They took her out the back with the conchfly projectile attack

[stray herald]

m ( dont give a shit about this message pls

[strange galleon]

wait that sounds very convincing

[weary gorge]

I promise you they wont lol. They have in the last about 8 years since hollow knights release, never banned a single person for modding their game. I also think legally you have the right to do so when you buy it anyways

[astral dagger]

That's still though FOR MERCH
Legally even if team cherry DIDN'T want you to, you could still mod the game (Nintendo game style)
Pretty sure team cherry paid some modders that worked on the pale court mod to work on silksong

[compact robin]

Top 1 most emotional fight in the hollow knight verse

[stray herald]

why did someone ping the mods over this

[compact robin]

Ironic for something that has no mind to think

[marsh spoke]

WHY does NEEDLESTRIKING the TROBBALLS make them EXPLODE

[icy crow]

@compact robin fucking finally I got the Spool Fragment

Team Cherry is really nefarious for adding literally those flying pricks with another heavy enemy

[noble jolt]

fair, the Hollow Knight stabbing themself is not easy to top

[honest cedar]

1. Sealed Vessel soundtrack

2. Visually pleasant fight

3. Culmination to the story so far, only gets better as you learn more and more about THK themselves

4. Genuine greatest moment in the game when it starts stabbing itself

[leaden delta]

fuck you I guess

[glad glen]

So how terrible at the game am I actually if I can’t beat ||sister silk||?

[stray herald]

yall wanna see some silk issue

[native canyon]

because trobbio hates you

[snow path]

I guess I was so focused on the perfect route for my hitless run that I forgot to pay attention to the speed running community

[stray herald]

like ABSOLUTE silk issue

[honest cedar]

No Eyes is peak aura

[fiery burrow]

People get stuck on bosses all the time

[compact robin]

The fight in general is VERY emotional.
Like where do i even begin the buildup was just insane

[soft belfry]

Some random dude said that it can be offensive if they want everyone to experience the game as intended but idk I feel like skins don't change the gameplay

[noble jolt]

also, what's the logic behind white defender being lower than Doug defender?

[rocky jolt]

its literally palestag

[weary gorge]

Stopping my game for now. I think this run is basically in the clear

[glad glen]

Not that one though. Genuinely everyone I’ve seen and spoken to 1 or 2 shots the boss

[fiery burrow]

Not really a big deal though

[soft belfry]

I got stuck on moss mother and bell beast at one point lmao

[snow path]

The hardest part is yet to come

[rocky jolt]

Worried Pilgrim

[weary gorge]

Well Team Cherry has never once in the entire nearly decade they've been around expressed this opinion, so I wouldnt take that guys opinion and assume TC feel that way

[final socket]

Pathetic 😤

[compact robin]

Gms?
It's fine she took me like 20 tries tho she's pretty easy now.
As long as you take her down is all that matters

[snow path]

Moss mother?!

[digital oriole]

Who the fuck

[weary gorge]

What's that

[compact robin]

Frrr fuck those guys

[honest cedar]

All dream bosses are ranked on the same place cuz they're all kinda the same level of disappointment. I put Dung Defender over them cuz I like the fact you can dive him out of the ground and I like the purple more than the pale white. They're close tho and interchangeable mostly

[snow path]

……….

[distant topaz]

Sisters Of Battle should be above Mantis Lords, and Mantis lords should be in 11-20

[glad glen]

What’s gm’s?

[leaden drum]

how do you open ts

[weary gorge]

???

[strange galleon]

imagine having to fight lifeblood hornet on hollowknight 3 "Pablo"

[soft belfry]

I never played hk went straight to silksong and didn't understand the keybinds on keyboard

I got it after a few more tries tho but I was genuinely panicked

[candid kayak]

with the big lever on the other side

[noble jolt]

i'm surprised the white defender OST doesn't put them higher but fair enough

[rocky jolt]

scream trobbio

[leaden drum]

no really

[final socket]

trobbioooo

[honest cedar]

Mantis Lords have some of the best setup in the entire franchise

[noble jolt]

You need the dwelling key

[candid kayak]

in other type words: you have to enter from the other side

[snow path]

The other side

[icy crow]

Time to zip zoom the fuck out of here

[digital oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[graceful oyster]

Are you just trying for basic ending?

[leaden drum]

ok

[honest cedar]

Can't say I remember it sticking out all that much, I might have to give it a replay/relisten when I tinker with the tierlist

[glad glen]

The hitboxes of sister splinters slams just seem so janky to me

[weary gorge]

100%

[noble jolt]

👍

[weary gorge]

Lol what's the hardest part

[waxen hemlock]

shes shady do i trust her?

[icy crow]

To be fair they are also very easy to dodge

[rocky jolt]

ok but its related to the big wheel in choral chambers

[distant topaz]

But in A gameplay sense, sisters of battle is better.

Mostly due to the increased difficuly

[leaden delta]

boss tierlist btw that focuses godhome (closest I can get to silksong is just refighting them with gear n shit), challenges considered, ordered

[rocky jolt]

she would never do anything wrong

[digital oriole]

||act 3||

[honest cedar]

I don't judge just gameplay tho there's also soundtrack, context, design, etc.

If I judged just gameplay THK wouldn't be top 1

[soft belfry]

I died more to 4C and Savage Beastfly than anything

I killed GMS and Lace 2 in like 6 and 1 try

[marsh spoke]

I DASHED INTO HIM

[weary gorge]

I wouldn't say difficulty makes something automatically better. But I do love sisters of battle

[leaden delta]

klann goes like 3 guys down btw actually

[graceful oyster]

Your run is NOT in the clear sorry
You're gonna want way more masks than you have now.
The hardest parts will be like, Trobbio, entering Act 3, and Lost Lace, all of which can very easily kill you

[distant topaz]

Ah, that makes sense.

[honest cedar]

Bottom 3 is undebatable btw, that trio was made in hell

[astral dagger]

Hear me out
Fighting lace and first sinner at the same time would be really fun

[glad glen]

Yes. But. Sometimes when it doesn’t line up nicely you’re standing on the right side of the arena and she’s attacking with her left hand. You can only dodge to ur left, which is where she’s gonna hit. Guaranteed bye bye to 2 HP 🫡

[icy crow]

Oh noes I reached Choral Chambers

[native canyon]

skarrgard is currently cheering that it's not last

[weary gorge]

I've played act 3 lol I didn't think it's that bad. Plus you can't die in the memories so most of the danger isnt that bad

[candid kayak]

a common error in many battles

[soft belfry]

They are, you just kinda pray and don't stand in her hands when she's downed, you can hit the hands, and her swipes are like curved so go more to the other side

[astral dagger]

Also it is almost therapeutic to cancel first sinner's heal

[digital oriole]

Oh
Mb twin

[trim estuary]

crawfather in mid is INSANE

[leaden delta]

at least it fucking does something

[weary gorge]

Trobbio is pretty easy imo. Ive cleared him a couple times with only the starting number of masks on my speedrun

[graceful oyster]

Entering Act 3 puts you on 4 masks, no silk, no tools, hunter crest (although you use it), and you have to fight a voided enemy gauntlet

[worldly valve]

what the hell is a watcher at the edge???

[native canyon]

crawfather is mid, craws are awful

[austere lotus]

Best early game choices for the simple key

[graceful oyster]

Very good then

[soft belfry]

The strat is probably to ignore lace and focus sinner cause if ur in air lace doesn't do anything

Or kill lace first cos girlie has no hp

[stark kestrel]

just beat high halls gauntlet in steel soul! i'm ready for lace 2 soon

[glad glen]

I know. I’ve noticed that when she charges up her left hand I need to go to the right otherwise I’ll still get hit if I dodge the other way. And vice versa

[astral dagger]

Use it on the green area to the left of elevator

[candid kayak]

you do get full health after dying (or reloading the save)

[ornate torrent]

my boss tierlist (i'm aware that this has a few hot takes but i can defend them)

[weary gorge]

Oh damn 4 masks? Are there like fodder enemies on the way to the gauntlet, its been awhile

[graceful oyster]

This be steel soul

[austere lotus]

I'm debating if I should free the green prince or open the door in the worm ways. Have no clue what either one does and I've already gotten the wanderers crest

[astral dagger]

It'll unlock wanderer crest and a route to act 2 I consider to be easiest albiet slowest

[trim estuary]

crawfather in D is INSANE

[barren dew]

A boss

[candid kayak]

see the second thing

[austere lotus]

(I'm in very early act 2)

[soft belfry]

I just dash to the other side asap then the other other side

Everyone I know irl jumps up to hit her mid swipe tho 💀

[distant topaz]

Great Nailsage Sly is NOOOOT mid. also brooding malwek and grandmother silk should be lower

[honest cedar]

The answer to 90% of these is vibes if I didn't judge vibes Watcher at the Edge would be in hell where it belongs that mf is a straight up war criminal bruh invincible for 80% of the fight and dropping 5 mile long sand hitboxes on me

[faint cloud]

Yk so far i love silksong but this "enemy colloseum every 2 minutes is starting to pmo"

[astral dagger]

Green Prince is act 3 content so do wormways, you'll get more keys later

[graceful oyster]

No, no fodder. Unless you save and quit (which would be understandable but still scummy) you WILL be entering the gauntlet on 4 masks no silk no tools

[trim estuary]

gauntlets are one of the best parts of silksong

[ornate torrent]

good fight but has squatcraws, so instant -3 tiers at least

[honest cedar]

Last Judge in S+ tier, my man 🤝

[faint cloud]

Also why doesn't this fuckass fat stupid fucking bird not land ;-;

[austere lotus]

Is there a a memory locket if you do it?

[leaden delta]

is it?????

[soft belfry]

Soon the enemy colloseum won't be every 2 mins because each takes 4 mins to even clear

[faint cloud]

He just flies and shoots like a fucking primal aspid ;-;

[icy crow]

Damn got another Spool Fragment in Grand Gate

[weary gorge]

Thanks for the tip lol im def gonna save and quit. Not gonna lose a run that far in

[austere lotus]

Because I thought the main reward for that was the wanderers crest

[marsh spoke]

yes! it should be in the deptsh of hell

[graceful oyster]

Your loss but gl

[trim estuary]

crawfather is one of the best fights in silksong

[astral dagger]

Idfk, it doesn't really matter bcs the game quests lead you by keys later to ensure you unlock everywhere in act 3

[honest cedar]

GPZ in top 2...

[rocky jolt]

crawfather > first sinner

[distant topaz]

Just gonna... Snoop right in here guys!

[trim estuary]

i wouldnt go THAT far he's second place for me

[stray herald]

(they are talking about nyleth)

[soft belfry]

What like wormways or green prince

[honest cedar]

Are we fr gonna put First Sinner below the Collector

[icy crow]

I'll go talk to the Fleafather

[marsh spoke]

im making a new boss tierlist after im done with this chud fucking run

[native canyon]

I guess we're posting boss tier lists now

[candid kayak]

squatcraw trolling you with fake landing:

[weary gorge]

Other than that I feel like im probably fine though. I have a 100% save with lost lace on it so ill give her a few tries there before I jump in but honestly I usually run overdosed plasmium hunter which is pretty powerful so im not worried about LL too much

[rocky jolt]

because first sinner is just widow with tp

[astral dagger]

I rank bosses by edibility

[trim estuary]

based

[soft belfry]

She has vertical pins and the starting marker does dmg 💀😭

[native canyon]

I forgot what format I used for this and I wanna edit it a little 🫠

[graceful oyster]

How do you run od plasmium Hunter

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZcVZWUwbU

[ornate torrent]

sentinel that low is... but good tierlist

[stray herald]

the crawfather was fun as hell imo

[native canyon]

sentinel is top 7

[untold berry]

:)

[vivid knot]

FUCK YEAH first tried last judge on my speedrun

[soft belfry]

Sentinel trash fight ngl, I cooked her first try while blundering repeatedly

[ornate torrent]

should be top 1

[honest cedar]

First Sinner in B tier, brother brother brother what's up

[vale whale]

gpz and widow above second sentinel?

[distant topaz]

what did BELL EATER DO????

Me personally, he's a B-tier.

[native canyon]

don't call me brother

[marsh spoke]

this is what it feels like to play these fucking bossfights

[ornate torrent]

first sinner is honestly a mid fight tbh

[honest cedar]

What does this even mean bruh

[distant topaz]

people glaze first sinner so hard

[soft belfry]

Honestly would have been funnier if you could open the inv and see a lace wriggling inside like the twisted bud

[weary gorge]

There are plasmium sacks naturally occurring in wormways. There are two in act 3, and one in act 2. You need both to od on plasmium in regular runs but in steel soul the satchel lets you do it with only the one in act 2

[native canyon]

gpz and widow are more fun

[distant topaz]

Like no genuinely, they all glaze it bro

[trim estuary]

because she and pure vessel are the best hollow knight bosses

[leaden delta]

good boss with a lot of dynamic elements which lets it stay fresh. also you can do a ton with gpz challenges

[honest cedar]

Second Sentinel is a 30 second long "fight"

[vale whale]

gpz is way too slow imo

[rocky jolt]

yall glazing first sinner just because shes a weaver bro

[graceful oyster]

You gonna go all the way from wormways to abyss without losing your od?

[glad glen]

Why do bosses just HAVE to spawns extra guys

[vale whale]

her fight aint my thint

[leaden delta]

also yeah I’d put first sinner lower on my list

[soft belfry]

Are you in the know about the yuri

[native canyon]

refer to the message defending it just above yours

[distant topaz]

I disagree.

karmelita is better

[marsh spoke]

first sinner is the best silksong boss btw goodbye

[rocky jolt]

what yuri

[leaden delta]

Harpoon slop

[glad glen]

Is it that hard to make bosses without spamming extra side ads 💔

[weary gorge]

Why would I need to go that far without getting hit? You trigger the plasmium od in wormways and just fast travel closer to the abyss

[native canyon]

dash slop 💔

[trim estuary]

mmm thats fair i cant argue with that

[vale whale]

extra damage, more adds and more hp

[noble jolt]

what's with putting first sinner so low? Is everyone crazy

[honest cedar]

The Hollow Knight in my back pocket:

[untold berry]

noooo 😭

[vale whale]

not very big imo

[graceful oyster]

Oh right they fixed it so fast travel doesn't ruin od anymore. You new gen steel soulers have it easy

[trim estuary]

thk is better spectacle but pv is so much more fun

[icy crow]

Alright so where is Moorwing in act two

[marsh spoke]

first sinner is HARPOONGEM and DASHGEM dont @ me

[honest cedar]

We gotta talk about that F tier bell eater tho?

[soft belfry]

When they don't have ads they're way too easy, like forebrothers, lace 2, gms

Then again broodmother was easy and first sinner and ass jim were hard

[rocky jolt]

they should give savage beastfly lost kin summon cooldown

[vale whale]

i said this ywsterday i'm going to inject you with 8 hits of plasmium

[honest cedar]

True...

[noble jolt]

nuh uh! they're faster and have more overlapping attacks and their needle patterns are different from the bell patterns and they have rune rage And they can heal!

[native canyon]

no we don't

[weary gorge]

With the baby bell beasts its even more convenient too

[native canyon]

plasmium is estrogen

[noble jolt]

adds lace to your inventory

[ornate torrent]

bell eater is respectfully a D tier boss at most

[light swan]

bell eater is awesome competitively

[vale whale]

wow congrats zango

[weary gorge]

This is gonna make groal a joke tho

[soft belfry]

Then you can deposit her in a terminus cocoon and after a while you get a giant silkeater that is reuseable

[native canyon]

competitively???

[icy crow]

Where is Moorwing in act two?

[ornate torrent]

is this the pokesilk thing

[final socket]

Bell Eater was awful. Ten voltvessel tools didn’t kill him in phase 2

[honest cedar]

Mf out here discovered PvP

[distant topaz]

PV is the best boss team cherry has EVER made

[vale whale]

tbf so is gurr but theyre both abysmal bosses

[distant topaz]

Karmelita is a close second.

[vale whale]

if you skipped it in act 1 it's in the long stretch outside greymoor bellway

[light swan]

yea

[weary gorge]

PV was favorite too

[honest cedar]

Bell Eater is so much fun once you've got it figured out plus it's literally the single most stressful moment in the game wondering what the fuck happened to Eira

[soft belfry]

Not zote the mighty ? /j

[icy crow]

Alright

[lean pendant]

I slayed Groal the Great yesterday

[native canyon]

still not over my awful lost lace hitless fail from a few hours ago

[light swan]

yes, bell eater is weirdly viable especially combined with gurr

[distant topaz]

He's GREAT too, he's just not as good.

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon uh

[ornate torrent]

that lore moment is the only reason it's not F

[weary gorge]

Underrated fight tbh

[distant topaz]

he's still S tier though.

[vale whale]

i remember once i was walking through greymoor on my speedrun file and i saw moorwing in the background I SHIT MY FUCKING BAGGIES😭😭😭😭 i didnt even know that mf respawned if you skipped it

[untold berry]

lost lace is an S tier fight

[native canyon]

when I say I got hit right as she died I mean I killed her, then got hit

[distant topaz]

Speaking of tiers...

you know what time it is

[honest cedar]

Bell Eater has like 3 attacks and still manages to be fun, crazy achievement

[native canyon]

I kneel

[distant topaz]

Hey, Hey! I'm just joking guys.

[marsh spoke]

would you look at that

[vale whale]

it literally waits for hornet too what a motherfucking demon

[ornate torrent]

this happened to me lol, did you get hit by ground tendrils?

[weary gorge]

Agree. I love that it feels like random bullshit until you catch on and see through it all

[marsh spoke]

anyway time for not boss slop

[soft belfry]

I knew he respawned but even when I saw him there alr, I still felt like shitting myself on courier quest lol

[marsh spoke]

this victory goes out to you twin

[final socket]

Is the bell beast called “eira” now? I thought Hornet was just calling for them

[honest cedar]

Same but the fandom has deemed different so I'm using it

[native canyon]

it was worse, she used void blobs and I got her THEN RAN INTO HER RIGHT AS SHE DIED

[distant topaz]

burg.
🍔

[vale whale]

WE ARE CONDUCTOR BALLADOOOORRRR!!!!

[soft belfry]

Yeah people hear Eira, I used to hear Hero but now I can't unhear Eira

[marsh spoke]

that was such a random win though like

[distant topaz]

We all love some burg.🍔

[light swan]

oh my god that’s painful

[ornate torrent]

😭

[untold berry]

I was really worried she'd just spam the generic void attacks like lost garmond

[honest cedar]

What the fuck is this man

[marsh spoke]

that was a very mid attempt all things considered i thought he was gonna stagger a second time or something

[light swan]

reminds me of my first sinner hitless where i got hit at 2 hp, but that’s WAY worse oml

[native canyon]

I actually had to step outside it pissed me off so much

[untold berry]

btw lost garmond was an ass boss fight

[vale whale]

my friend sent ti to me

[native canyon]

I just associate this song with hazbin hotel now

[noble jolt]

me when I wanna say people like something, but I wanna make it sound like it's evil and mean instead >:)

[delicate ice]

SLY IS HARDER THAN GROAL THE GREAT AND SAVAGE BEASTFLY 2

[vale whale]

wait can you make double nyleths and theyre both on the other side of the room and then can you do the curvesickle nuke i wanna see if the curvesickle rebounds into nyleth 2

[honest cedar]

Sly is a pain in the ass until you start holding down the attack button

[distant topaz]

Guys, I have something I need to tell you all.

i lied can you forgive me

[snow magnet]

what is cogfly

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[weary gorge]

I hated the garmond fight lol. Great moment in the story, horrible fight

[honest cedar]

What in the world

[worthy lintel]

Not sure I'm good enough for that but I can try add Nyleth to Architect, it shouldn't be too hard

[snow magnet]

es das gut?

[vale whale]

do you mean the gameplay because you just have to spam curvesickle with quick slint

[snow magnet]

minions

[ancient bronze]

meh pizza is better

[native canyon]

I would say I went through the 5 stages of grief but it was more like
anger
depression
more anger
more depression
and then finally this image

[untold berry]

friendos

[icy crow]

Defeated Moorwing first try in act two

[distant topaz]

i'm suprised no one said anything about shakra being there yet

[hexed ingot]

peak except the grimms are a bit too low i must say

[ancient bronze]

wait act 2?? wasnt moorwing in act 1

[honest cedar]

You can skip it using the flea caravan

[snow magnet]

wait is high halls the next palce to go or am I doing an optional thing w 5 masks?

[icy crow]

Moorwing can be skipped in act one if the Flea Caravan gets there

[ancient bronze]

ohh thanks for the info

[native canyon]

why is the wiki article for lost lace so comprehensive

[vale whale]

also if you enter greymoor through bellhart

[marsh spoke]

does anyone know what the theme that plays in the gms room in act 3 is called? the one that plays before you bind pale nails it soundds awesome

[weary gorge]

Its required

[delicate ice]

Like spamming?

[icy crow]

Should I also go fight Plasmified Zango?

[honest cedar]

No, nail arts

[snow magnet]

Ima go back to act 1 and look for shit

[weary gorge]

You doing the 5h run?

[marsh spoke]

is it just a remix of awakening or rdoes it exist in the ost

[hexed ingot]

bc it has the entire plot of acts 1 and 2

[trim estuary]

Isn't it just a modified version of Awakening?

[chilly mountain]

CORAL TOWER IS TOO DIFFICULT

[vale whale]

no if you die you get plasmified, go back in act 3

[snow magnet]

no im doing my first playthrough

[weary gorge]

If youre not doing the 5h run definetly go get more upgrades lol

[native canyon]

I think it's just the first part of awakening slowed down

[hexed ingot]

required

[trim estuary]

i dont think its in the ost

[marsh spoke]

also this is fucked up what they did to my goat

[snow magnet]

Im literally stacked

[hexed ingot]

this is lace's fault btw

[normal token]

Everytime theres something new about that show its rep gets plummeted to the ground further and further 😭

[weary gorge]

Yeah definitely go explore. Most of the map should be available to you now so you can take your time. Basically you can explore until you decide you want to beat the game

[icy crow]

Plasmified?

[low creek]

What does sk stand for

[chilly mountain]

Guys is choral tower even required in act 3 😔

[snow magnet]

I havent found the map girl in so long so nah I got no maps

[vale whale]

IS THAT LEMM?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!,,!?!?!

[normal token]

Silksong

[delicate ice]

I don't use nail arts or spells very often

[marsh spoke]

gms was just a queen doing queen things she didn't deserve all tha HOLY SHIT THAT'S LEMM

[hexed ingot]

not if you do verdania instead

[snow magnet]

where is shakara bro I havnet seen her since deep docks

[distant topaz]

Silkkong.

[native canyon]

no it doesn't, it's just her attacks + strategy with minor lore
https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Lost_Lace

[vale whale]

zango has a certain ailment, if you die to him you get that ailment and your file gets temporarily blocked

[normal token]

No, go to the tail end of Greymoor for something special

[chilly mountain]

Is verdinia worse or better

[icy crow]

Huh what

[native canyon]

oomfie your goat is an abusive parent 🥀

[snow magnet]

guys where the fuck is shakara

[chilly mountain]

Tell me what is it 😔

[leaden delta]

god forbid women do anything

[vale whale]

lemm isnt abusive??

[marsh spoke]

so women aren't allowed to have hobbies now

[azure gyro]

just defeated GMS, what do i do now lmao

[chilly mountain]

U can call shakra in bellhart

[snow magnet]

oh what?

[hexed ingot]

slightly better

[normal token]

Deserved I fear

[azure gyro]

and how does act 3 start?

[snow magnet]

thats proly enough

[vale whale]

you have to use the warrior's call on the needolin

[native canyon]

her hobby is neglecting a lesbian so no

[snow magnet]

how do I play things on it?

I only have one needolin song

[vale whale]

fight lost master in bilewater

[chilly mountain]

Free 25 fleas complete the wishlist wishes in bellhart bone bottom and songclave

[digital valley]

Making a comic based on the weaver cousin momentos from the cradle, here is a sneakpeak

[snow magnet]

where is bilewater

[austere lotus]

Bro go get more mask fragments

[azure gyro]

aight tyvm

[snow magnet]

yeah I want to but I dont have maps and I have no idea where to find

[vale whale]

late game area, the final one you unlock usually

[icy crow]

I am pressing X to doubt

[marsh spoke]

wait i just had the wildest idea for a hetslop crackship but this chat isn't ready for that

[vale whale]

its only for 30 minutes

[light swan]

no bargaining? i would definitely bargain saying i technically beat her lol

[snow magnet]

yeah so how do I find shakara?

[marsh spoke]

i know what's gonna be tonight's discourse message though

[noble jolt]

finally making chapter 2 of the quirrel comic

[weary gorge]

I meant the world when I said map lol. You can explore most of the world now

[vale whale]

what is a hetslop

[honest cedar]

You should, it makes Sly 800x easier

[snow magnet]

I still want maps

[austere lotus]

Do you need to do the songclave delivery quest for anything

[chilly mountain]

aand unlock a home in bell home by talking to an npc in bellhart

[vale whale]

you need to fight lost master in bilewater and get warrior's call

[marsh spoke]

heterosexual slop

[native canyon]

nah I recognized it as a fail immediately 😭 I thought of it like "if I was on 1 hp it would've been a loss, so it's a loss"

[hexed ingot]

buy them from the 3d map machines

[vale whale]

I'M HETSLOP????????????

[snow magnet]

how do I find her without bilewater

[dense crown]

how many hours of gameplay does silksong have

[austere lotus]

Silence, straggot

[leaden delta]

as far as I’m concerned it’s all hetslop

[vale whale]

you dont

[chilly mountain]

Like the food delivery? No u dont

[hexed ingot]

like 140

[icy crow]

Should I also go for Phantom?

[snow magnet]

but how do I get maps

[marsh spoke]

no youre hetgem

[weary gorge]

Yeah, go find em lol im just saying in response to the high halls gauntlet, you have basically the entire world open to explore so you can come back when you decide its time to start finishing the story

[native canyon]

can you tell me in dms now I'm interested

[vale whale]

if you wanna its a great fight

[austere lotus]

Idk what's being delivered

[peak musk]

Is bilewater hell?

[icy crow]

Alright

[ancient bronze]

well if you wanted a goated silk ability go for it

[loud rapids]

Does anyone else hate hunter's march area

[dense crown]

really? i'm at the winter area rn with 6 hours

[vale whale]

you dont until you fight lost master

[leaden delta]

I wanna know the discourse too we should make a gc

[snow magnet]

fym time to start finishing the story I js got out of the tutorial

[chilly mountain]

Yea u dont need to do that

[severe skiff]

Beat gms with cursed crest on steel soul let's goooo

[noble jolt]

ah a troll ok ty ty

[snow magnet]

ok Ima js do high halls

[loud rapids]

Because those ant mfs destroyed my ahh right there

[dense crown]

wdym

[loud rapids]

I hate hunters march.

[ancient bronze]

around 47

[vale whale]

you can call it the vaultkeeper gc because those assholes made everyone fight too