sk-discussion

[alpine crest]

Mb for not clarifying. I love Shaman, I main shaman, but it's stupid how they gave it a heal that doesn't have a single upside. They could've made it a subpar heal and still had something going for it, instead of "what if you had a slower heal that also forces you to be on the ground", y'know.

[weak lantern]

for bosses, it's pretty consistent for me

[toxic horizon]

Beast is around the same

[fallow bramble]

is this what the Chinese guys that beat my ass on Clash Royale are up to now

[light swan]

theres a reason why witch has the most blue slots in the entire game, its already good before hand but using 3 blue slots makes it BROKEN

[alpine crest]

same, silk skill spam my beloved ❤️

[solid timber]

I have a theory that they are father and daughter.
||https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Mask_Maker_(Silksong)
https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Gilly||

[sharp urchin]

Oh yeah, it needs enemies to heal...

[weak lantern]

but it is boss only for sure

[light swan]

its not the safest for sure yea

[fast geode]

not broken but its good

[rigid basin]

you have not disproven my statement
you lock yourself out of a lot of fun blue tools for a silly heal build

[toxic horizon]

Agreed, don’t really know how else to balance it tho, otherwise its just inarguably the strongest crest(which it already is)

[toxic horizon]

It definitely is broken, witch is very very strong with a bind build

[alpine crest]

ig volt extended ts shaman is basically the strongest thing in the game so... yeah, yeah.

[rigid basin]

dont get me wrong witch crest is good, all crests are good, its just im litterally pointing out the flaws of each crest

[light swan]

well, im saying why it doesnt really matter if youre right or wrong lol (same damage as a silkspear when you have 0 tools on btw)

[weak lantern]

if you know when binding is 100% safe, it's not risky, but random enemies aren't reliable

[alpine crest]

honestly, every single crest has an insane, "broken" build (except for reaper, I can't think of one "broken build" that another crest doesn't do a better job at)

[light swan]

you dont have to use the heal build its just, easily the strongest and super fun

[fast geode]

honestly the 200 damage bind is probably fine since it can be annoying to hit compared to like threadstorm and isnt as consistent of a damage output as spells

[rigid basin]

ok???? it costs double that of a silk spear and leaves you more vulnerable, and if you get hit during it instead of losing 4 silk you lose all of it.

[nocturne grail]

Yo lowkey is using claw line in combat a viable strat

[sharp urchin]

Reaper is all around good. Jack of all trades, master of none

[quasi fog]

crazy how all the best bosses (except for a few) dont spawn extra enemies its almost like theres a key way to make an enjoyable boss

[naive geyser]

tbh i always use healing based tools on my blue slots so it doesn't make much of a difference for me

[toxic horizon]

YES

[fast geode]

you also heal

[tulip spire]

The main issue I had with witch crest after using it for a while is sometimes the enemy would backdash right as I was binding and I wouldn’t get shit

[drowsy frigate]

what if every enemy had scuttlebrace so we can see ass jim scuttling across the floor like grimm

[nocturne grail]

Wait fr?

[void pelican]

Bro some bosses are so cancer without clawline

[quasi fog]

absoutely it closes distance so well

[toxic horizon]

Clawline is such a good ability and tool, why don’t people use it?

[severe cosmos]

witch crest heal is kinda shit and NOT good for dps

[fallow bramble]

what if man, what if

[light swan]

you still heal, besides that depends on the player to not fuck up the very thing theyre doing 😔

[nocturne grail]

I just spam silkskills ngl

[void pelican]

people literally use clawline as a crutch for a lot of bosses

[rigid basin]

it promotes risky healing which causes many more hits during healing

[naive geyser]

nyleth

[sharp urchin]

Lots of damage, gives silk back, good combo with pogo, its good yea

[thick surge]

I think I'll just get the architect crest , the final melody and just beat lost lace first and then act 3 stuff

[weak lantern]

i use fast bind + mirror +warding and still have poison tools

[alpine crest]

Architect? It's architect, more needs not be said
Wanderer? Facetank
Hunter? 40% damage bonus for free
Beast? Balls-to-the-walls aggresiveness, facetank & melt bosses
Witch? Legalize nuclear binds
Shaman? Legalize nuclear thread storms

[toxic horizon]

If you suck yeah, witch is very skill based

[nocturne grail]

How much damage does clawline do lmao

[rigid basin]

why are witch crest mains specifically so mad about this 😭 im slandering all crests

[worldly umbra]

anyway bye guys look at the map that i keep reposting lmfao

[toxic horizon]

1.5x damage of a nailhit

[finite ingot]

Architect is so fucking goated

[tulip spire]

Didn’t clawline get nerfed recently

[void pelican]

It’s not for damage, mainly for catching nimble enemies

[autumn oyster]

hi

[rigid basin]

I love the witch crest, its one of my favorites, that does NOT mean it has no flaws ffs

[light swan]

youre just, kind of wrong about how its bad because its really damn great lol

[toxic horizon]

We must maintain the witch crest supremacy agenda

[alpine crest]

as much damage as a needle hit

so imagine a needle hit, only it has insane range, pulls you towards them and can be comboed with needle hits

[terse stone]

not if you do it correctly, that’s the point, you risk getting hit for a boatload of extra damage and a heal

[nocturne grail]

Since I’m assuming it doesn’t count itself as a silkskill, it refunds the silk needed to use it?

[naive geyser]

i don't main witch crest, i'm just saying how it wouldn't make a massive difference for me, I agree with what you're saying

[light swan]

it has flaws for sure but heal is not one of them

[toxic horizon]

Yep

[tawny palm]

whats the best spell against lost lace
im using pale nails

[fast geode]

just dont take that risk

[finite ingot]

I unlocked the witch crest today, what are its main strenghts?

[nocturne grail]

Parry lmao

[sharp urchin]

I like dart

[toxic horizon]

Cross stitch can be great too

[naive geyser]

damage

[severe cosmos]

In the most of situations (medium/small bosses with quick ass attacks) you cant stick it properly tho

[fast geode]

you can heal + do big damage with silk instead of just one or the other

[rigid basin]

ok just dont heal then??? fuck are you saying

[weak lantern]

it promotes safe healing for me, only go when certain

[alpine crest]

Silk Spear works wonders for me

I'm sure thread storm is technically best, since it always is, but I just haven't found as many consistent extended TS windows for her as I've found windows where I can just sneak in a cheeky silk spear for 75 damage.

Sharp Dart is also S tier aurafarming against her

[fast geode]

no, just heal when its guaranteed (like you should be doing on any crest anyway)

[toxic horizon]

High damage, large amounts of iframes on its pogo and dash attack, very high damage lifesteal bind, good melee range

[naive geyser]

cross stitch is such a fun skill

[tulip spire]

How did you mitigate the issue of enemies suddenly flash stepping out of your bind without a telegraph. Tried using witch against Crawfather and whiffed like half my binds due to this shit

[light swan]

some flaws of witch crest

• pogo sucks you into enemies, which can get you hit at times
• bad for players who arent the best
• 2nd slowest in the entire game
• gets less of a benefit from flea brew than most other crests
  heals are NOT the flaw

[finite ingot]

But you only heal if you catch the enemy, which is not guaranteed

[waxen whale]

I swapped back to wanderer and I did ll first try without red tools

Yet I was struggling with witch and shaman despite using red tools

[fast geode]

if youre leaving your healing up to luck then youre doing something wrong lol. "risk" implies luck

[nocturne grail]

I’ve seen people use sharp dart, but I tried using it and it feels weird. Are you supposed to use it like sharp shadow

[hoary mica]

all of the silk skills feel incredibly balanced relative to eachother post balance update

[alpine crest]

is it even slower than reaper?

[solid timber]

Pretty good loss meme you made there

[rigid basin]

heals are the flaw when they take litterally all of the blue tool slots to be usable

[waxen whale]

Hmmm my ll test has shown me that apparently the crests I do best with is obviously wanderer and beast second

[light swan]

barely faster

[alpine crest]

Rightey, didn't they nerf volt extended threadstorm?

[uneven panther]

Guys widow is breaking me

[weak lantern]

heal when you know it's safe, otherwise dodge. its what you always should be doing

[naive geyser]

2nd slowest? I actually didn't know that i thought it was average speed

[toxic horizon]

Its more similar to ddark

[soft lynx]

Guys i think im kinda mad

[finite ingot]

Architect crest literally has no flaws, it's so perfect

[alpine crest]

Wouldn't that mean that it's the third slowest crest, or are you telling me that shaman is somehow faster than both?

[sharp urchin]

Dart lets me hit her while she is using i-frames (any attack which makes coming near her impossible, such as jumping up), also yea aurafarming

[worldly umbra]

@finite ingothealing creates big tenctacles that deal dmg and heal you for each one that hits and enemy (4 max) so multi binder isnt good with it. big range with long claw and combine it with both claw mirrors and warding bell, when you heal you become death destroyer of worlds. and also maybe weavelight to get some quick silk fast

[waxen whale]

Therefore the crest ranking is objectively

1. Wanderer
2. Beast
3. The rest

[soft lynx]

Im doing gms cursed

[vernal osprey]

I DID IT I KILLED KARMELITA!!!!

[light swan]

the point is that its usable beforehand 😭 you dont need all 3 blue slots to make it usable

[hoary mica]

i use it similarly to cross stitch sometimes, when i see a melee attack telegraph i dash through and then you can also get like 2 hits in before the boss can do another attack since it places you so close

[alpine crest]

no idea what sharp shadow is, but TLDR it's a dark souls dodge roll that deals damage but has a few startup frames. It's hard to get used to, but goated once you do.

[rustic hill]

I was going to respond to this with an epic meme of that anime girl saying "stop saying dumbass things you're not even making sense" and then trobbio saying trobbio and it would've been really funny but then my Internet went out so I went to my phone and my phone died so I guess it wasn't meant to be

[naive geyser]

architect makes the game too easy thats the flaw

[soft lynx]

GG

[toxic horizon]

Pogo’s downside is alleviated a bit by the iframes you naturally get from the pogo

[tawny palm]

spear with pale needle with volt filament only deals 75 to lost lace

60 without volt

[rustic kernel]

Do people actually use beast crest tho i always found it so annoying

[rigid basin]

you technically can use it before hand that doesnt make it GOOD

[sharp urchin]

Mix, dart is like op sharp shadow/ddark, I really like i-frames, but its not too good for anything else

[finite ingot]

That sounds pretty good, the quest to obtain it was pretty painful tho

[alpine crest]

yeah sharpdart is peak

[void pelican]

Nice, I beat her last night and it’s my favourite boss in the game

[naive geyser]

down pogo takes some getting used to

[rigid basin]

usable=/= good

[light swan]

but its certainly usable and very strong in the hands of good players

[dusky pewter]

Guys i know I shouldn't ask but could someone buy me silksong because i can't afford it cus it's too expensive in my country I will be very grateful if someone do this (its only asking)

[finite ingot]

I only use nail architect lmao

[hushed mortar]

greetings

[fast geode]

there are spots where you are guaranteed to catch the enemy (eg staggers, but also there are many more opportunities if you know a boss's attacks well and have good situational awareness), but i see what youre saying, that is the whole tradeoff of witch heal, harder healing but more efficient and powerful silk use.

[nocturne grail]

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[rustic kernel]

that is like the main reason i dropped it cuz i just cant

[light swan]

im sorry but you said usable first lool

[naive geyser]

how

[alpine crest]

WAIT I'm going to get an iframe dash later on in my HK playthrough??

[nocturne grail]

Yeah lmao

[rustic hill]

Most tragic set of events in my life

[alpine crest]

holy shit

[light swan]

shaman is tied with reaper, but i dont really consider it since it gets its damage from spells not needle lol so it doesnt matter much

[finite ingot]

Ig a good player can really pop off with it, I may take some time to learn it cause the pogo animation is sick

[rigid basin]

ok???? im talking about the general witch crest mains the majority of you are not perfect at the heal and I garuntee you that YOU have been hit while healing several times

[worldly umbra]

@finite ingotand yeah and also injection band forgot about that since it has 4 blue tool slots (including vesticrests)

[fast geode]

yeah the moveset is really good

[sharp urchin]

Sharp shadow makes the iframe dash do dmg

[alpine bronze]

Now argue

[waxen whale]

Shaman is hard to use but it’s good

[alpine bronze]

I LOVE SHAMANS

[alpine crest]

so you're telling me
that shaman is better for silk builds due to the damage bonus & having three silk slots
that shaman has far better range than reaper
AND that both have the same attack speed?

[light swan]

yea, but the main point is that its slower and by the time you bounce away the enemy will be able to hit you, like enemies that float up or lost lace's dash attack where the tentacles extend above her hitbox, the iframes arent enough to completely mitigate that

[terse stone]

Obviously, nobody is perfect, but it’s worth the risk if you can hit it

[soft lynx]

Balanced,tho witch not excellent?why

[hushed mortar]

get shaman all the way Down my guy

[finite ingot]

The architect supremacy is so real

[light swan]

yes

[rustic hill]

I actually like shaman a bit more but this is good

[alpine crest]

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[rustic hill]

Shaman saved me from coral tower it made it much easier also just enemy rushes in general

[alpine bronze]

Witch is good at binding and that's it

[finite ingot]

How sick would it be if there was a pollen pouch but for lightning instead

[alpine crest]

what does reaper even have going for it atp 💔

[toxic horizon]

LL tentacles only hit you if you pogo in the direction she’s coming from, if you flip it, you don’t get hit

[light swan]

which is why witch has a super high skill floor, this does not mean the heal is bad tho its just difficult 😭 two different things

[soft lynx]

Are u old?

[worldly umbra]

oh yeah forgot to mention heres the tool when you defeat the guy

[alpine crest]

Do you need a hand?

[light swan]

idk the details lol i just know ive been hit by them

[rigid basin]

ok?? that doesnt mean that witch crest is better than other crests without a specific build.
my first point was that witch crest needed a build to be GOOD or even on parr with the other crests, while the majority of crests (excluding architect) dont need any tools to be really good

[finite ingot]

It's comfy, has the easiet moveset to learn and is the 2nd most versatile crest

[soft lynx]

But you're old!

[tawny palm]

flea brew is so good

[light swan]

uh, its safe ig and consistent and pretty easy to master

[rigid basin]

DIFFICULT IS STRICTLY WORSE THAN THE MAJORITY OF CRESTS.

[soft lynx]

F.R.

[dry hare]

We need postgame content I want a colo where i can use the stupidly broken witch crest bind build

[alpine bronze]

Shamans is my favorite crest but it got nerfed hard

[dense scaffold]

What does this flea brew do

[rigid basin]

you are litterally proving my point and then arguing that im wrong still

[toxic horizon]

Fast

[hushed mortar]

Makes everything faster

[gilded cradle]

I thought the second Sentinel was gonna be hard tbh im disappointed:(

[rustic hill]

Did it? How

[light swan]

why are you so mad 😭 its just a discussion about a heal in a game bro

• i dont really consider difficulty to make it bad

[alpine crest]

With how often I get wanderer crits for some reason, my needle has basically become a hammer of justice at this point

[soft lynx]

Excluding beast crest OFC
(Nobody knows how to use it correctly...dang it...)

[void pelican]

Buddy is gonna be disappointed by the rest of the game

[tawny palm]

tho i keep getting contact damage because of the higher movement speed

[finite ingot]

Wanderer is literally so mid for me of I just can't stand it

[gilded cradle]

I beat it in like 30 seconds gng

[light swan]

it can be hard to land a completely extended thread storm but that doesnt mean its bad

[hushed mortar]

Can we talk about how underused Hunter crest is

[soft lynx]

Oh then yeah i need help can u kill gms WHILE BEING CURSED FOR ME-

[worldly umbra]

@tawny palm

[rigid basin]

im not mad 😭 you're the one raging over your favorite crest against someone who has stated they also like that crest

[alpine bronze]

It's silk skill multipler got nerfed, as well as thread storm

[weak lantern]

well, it's my 2nd highest wr crest on bosses, but i avoided it the whole game. It has a single problem to solve and once you do is really broken

[void pelican]

Yeah the rest of the game is easy too

[tawny palm]

?

[alpine crest]

ig, but none of those are true "upsides", if that makes sense.
Like its upsides are that it doesn't have downsides, but its downsides are that it doesn't have upsides

[light swan]

youre the one spamming all caps and question marks, im not lol

[worldly umbra]

@tawny palmabout the flea brew thing everyone says that lmfao

[naive geyser]

tbh i sort of want an epilogue chapter where we can see what happened to pharloom because it is left VERY ambigious ik that supports coming up with our own theories and stuff but i just want to know lol 😭

[rustic hill]

Ah I see

[toxic horizon]

How are both of you losing this argument

[light swan]

im just saying, out of all the witch weakneses, the heal is not one of them

[waxen whale]

Reaper does so little dmg that ll staggers twice before the saw transition; that’s funny asf

[rigid basin]

you're the one still arguing against a silly slander message from 30 minutes ago

[alpine bronze]

LMAO

[tawny palm]

maybe because it is good?

[fast geode]

the heal is a sidegrade not an upgrade or a downgrade

[gilded cradle]

High hills gauntlet was like one of the only hard parts I've ran into so far

[dense scaffold]

Would silksong be better if enemies only did damage if they attack and not from contact otherwise?

[light swan]

yea this is fine

[gilded cradle]

*halls

[toxic horizon]

Which is what all crests should be

[light swan]

the heal is not the bad part of witch

[hushed mortar]

Holy yes

[soft lynx]

Sybau,beast crest best crest.

[rigid basin]

im clearly not going to change my point, the whole reason was to point out the flaws of each crest and make fun of them for it

[alpine crest]

I HATE cursed ending

made me crash out so hard I decided to scrap it and save it for a second playthrough if I ever decide to do that 💔

if you do it, you're a stronger man than I'll ever be

[alpine bronze]

Witch heal is better for damage than healing

[worldly umbra]

@tawny palmit is, and i get the glaze but i dont like people saying it sorry

[finite ingot]

Beating GMS with the parasite was a pretty good challenge ngl, pretty nice ending too

[fast geode]

pretty much

[night veldt]

seth isn't here yet but dear god that took a long time

[waxen whale]

Would be way worse for me

[toxic horizon]

Reaper should be buffed to be closer to the other crests

[hushed mortar]

Oh it def is

[rigid basin]

also beast crest solos any other crest fight me

[terse stone]

makes me wish you had the option to start with a different crest after you finish your first playthrough,without modding, would make for some fun challenge runs

[light swan]

you coulve taken any point that isnt the heal 😭 the heal is completely fine and not bad

[waxen whale]

Contact dmg is necessary; no whining about it

[junior cedar]

Yum

[soft lynx]

Im already doing it 7 masks 1 pale oiled nail

[alpine bronze]

It only took my 6 attempts lol. Spam clawline and pogo and win

[glacial kelp]

??? this would be insane icl

[tawny palm]

am i using ur internet or phone? i say whatever i want 😭
"i don't like people saying it" fuck off 💕

[fast geode]

i dont think witch really has a "bad part" (other than the inherent tradeoffs that come with a gimmick bind) but if there is a bad part its the fucking tiny ass windup on all the attacks ts pmo

[soft lynx]

Im ducking nutz

[finite ingot]

Starting with architect would legit make the game a kindergarten

[hushed mortar]

GUYS I need help i can’t find seth

After I defeated him I can’t find my guy where is he

[light swan]

thats fair lol, kinda what i think too

[tawny palm]

moors

[fast geode]

if it didnt have that fuckass windup id probably run it 24/7

[hushed mortar]

where

[terse stone]

you’ve already finished the game so you’ve earned it… only problem is the speedrun achievements, but that’s on you if you wanna cheese them

[dense scaffold]

Is architect crest strong?

[light swan]

i never really noticed our found this impactful in anything outside of the pogo lol

[rigid basin]

the heal is strictly worse than the base heal in 99% of scenarios

[glacial kelp]

where shakra wa i think

[dense scaffold]

I must find this

[soft lynx]

A lot

[naive geyser]

yes you are i own everything and i live inside your walls

[toxic horizon]

Ng+ would be fun, would have to be something other than just increased stats tho

[hushed mortar]

Thank u a lot

[fast geode]

witch dps is the same as hunter+0 right

[drowsy frigate]

its how bosses felt when i spammed sting shards in act 1

[alpine crest]

quick sling + pollip pouch + tacks + cogflies + whatever other thing fits your fancy = instant win

[tulip spire]

I really like witch but the heal is a bit of a liability sometimes. Like it can indeed be “give me liberty give me fire let the boss not dodge out of my bind or I retire”

[alpine bronze]

Witch crest is viable, like all crests

[vague plaza]

i feel like you'd be pretty broke if you started with it bc no shell shards to sustain

[worldly umbra]

god damn hear this shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vrKcJ3kUms&list=RD2vrKcJ3kUms&start_radio=1

[weak lantern]

it's a better 2nd run crest yeah, but without faster heal and claw mirror it's gonna be a rough start. also... gl in bilewater
there is a mod for it on pc though

[fast geode]

not including the charged attack or the running attack

[tawny palm]

what happens if u craft bind with no tools equipped wait imma try

[light swan]

no, sprint attack is 2x damage unlike everything else

[alpine crest]

jesus christ how do people get this good at guitar 💔

[fast geode]

other than the running attack

[finite ingot]

Yeah Ig you could make that argument, also add the naked crest as the default in steel soul, that would make it really freaking hard

[alpine bronze]

A black hole opens up

[soft lynx]

-Cogwork wheel walked in

[light swan]

maybe 60%, again when one becomes skilled it becomes better due to the damage

[alpine crest]

literally the ending of act 2

[worldly umbra]

@fresh pebblebecause its his job

[fast geode]

on witch? ok this is not true

[light swan]

yea its the same then, every crest has the same base damage outside of witch sprint attack and maybe some architect shenanigans? idk i heard that

[tawny palm]

LMAOOOOO IT TOOK 2 SHARDS FROM ME EVEN WITHOUT ANY TOOL EQUIPPED

[finite ingot]

How do you enter act 3 guys? I want a hit not the straight up answer

[void pelican]

Can someone give me a hint on finding gurr

[light swan]

wish from caretaker

[alpine crest]

Twelth Architect is taxing you 😭

[soft lynx]

Its like saying beast crest is worse bcz fury mode

[void pelican]

Do all side quests

[terse stone]

Yeah I plan on using that mod to start with witch for a witch play through, think I’ll be trying to get the hunters memento achievement in that run

[fast geode]

architect TECHNICALLY does more damage but the multi hit and jank hitboxes mean that its about the same on average

[finite ingot]

And for that I need to all the sidequests?

[rigid basin]

wyd if you're at 1 health in a platforming section with no enemies and you have 9 silk left

every other crest: heal normally (beast is bad at this too)
you: die

[light swan]

a bunch, yea

[alpine crest]

do you have the tabs for this?

[finite ingot]

Fortunately I already did the beast fly one

[open path]

idk if it was removed but Architect can sometimes do an extra hit of damage if you are close enough to the enemy but sometimes it does one less hit because multihits are weird

[rigid basin]

beast crest also has a better heal than witch lol

[soft lynx]

Who tf uses witch for platforming

[finite ingot]

And once I do that from where do I accept the quest?

[alpine crest]

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[fringe bluff]

Father of the Flame lwk creepy lmao

[void pelican]

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[light swan]

youre not meant to be using it in platforming 😭 i was going off the assumption we were talking about bossfights but if youre talking about pl;atforming i 100% agree with you then

[worldly umbra]

@alpine crest no but you can ask what vst hes using tho

[alpine crest]

that is bannable, right? last time this exact scam got posted, like 10 people reported it

[rigid basin]

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[light swan]

caretaker in songclave

[scarlet cloak]

Gonna have to side with you here witch is NOT a platforming crest

[weak lantern]

the extra hits are 2 dmg for w/e reason

[alpine crest]

vst?

Sorry for not knowing, I'm really new to this whole guitar thing (only been playing for ~a month)

[tawny palm]

u cant craft bind with no shards left

apparently there is an extra shard cost for architect

[waxen whale]

Ll crest test (my first attempt of ll took hours, this isn’t about that)
Wanderer: 1 try
Reaper: 1 try
Beast: 3 tries
Witch: 6+ (not completed yet)
Shaman: 5+ (not completed yet)
Architect: 3 tries (not completed yet)
Hunter: haven’t tried yet

[scarlet cloak]

Woah what just happened

[rigid basin]

im talking about general use cases
witch is nearly useless outside of bossfights
so 99% of the game its worse than any other crest

[coarse leaf]

wait i looked away what the fuck happened

[weak lantern]

architect regular attacks do 19, 21, or 23 depending on early/late hit

[scarlet cloak]

My thoughts exactly

[light swan]

yea then thats fair lol, also i can agree that beast is prob better than witch heal too

[waxen whale]

Doing the crest test on ll has made me realize that reaper has at least a good bind

[soft lynx]

Real

[rocky berry]

@grok is this false

[fast geode]

this is how a trade-off works lol. its going to be worse in some areas and better in others.

[alpine crest]

guy posted some "elon musk is giving away thousands of dollars for free! do this to get the money!" scam

[finite ingot]

Is that the guy that sits outside a chapel? I have the game in italian so I don't really know the english names

[soft lynx]

Even beast is kind of more useful for platforming

[scarlet cloak]

I use wanderer or reaper for platforming

[alpine bronze]

I don't want that man's money

[open path]

I think this is just more proof that the best crest is whichever one you use the most

[soft lynx]

Meh,beast my goat

[rigid basin]

no shit thats why i've been saying im pointing out the flaws of the crests omg

[junior cedar]

Groal the Grape

[worldly umbra]

@alpine crestits like an electric guitar type of thing where you connect it settings on computer and you play the guitar and it sounds different I THINK correct me if im wrong

[coarse leaf]

elon gets life sentence in bilewater

[scarlet cloak]

Where do you get that one again..?

[alpine crest]

isn't that basically just an amplifier?

[light swan]

the town in the citadel

[alpine bronze]

I agree

[weak lantern]

abs not... witch you have to know when one attack is safe to bind on, beast you have to do the same, and also hope the next attack is a good punish window

[rigid basin]

also beast crest heal is better in boss fights imo

[waxen whale]

I never used beast before so that one actually surprised me by how fast it was. I use wanderer all the time tho

[alpine crest]

"You should HEGALE yourself, now!"

[finite ingot]

Without the gauntlet before groal would be a top 5 boss in act 2

[finite ingot]

Ok I know which one got it, thanks

[worldly umbra]

@alpine crest yeah it think (idk much about guitar sorry)

[soft lynx]

...after the WORST place in earth,the beast chapel,containing...savage beastfly

[scarlet cloak]

Mods, sentence him to etertiny in waste management at the organ

[coarse leaf]

Agree

[terse stone]

early game doesn’t sound terrible because bell beast is just easy,lace is somewhat challenging to get a heal off on but lace 1 is fairly simple, fourth chorus has plenty of heal windows, same with moorwing

Widow has heal windows during her bell summoning attacks

Last judge has plenty of heal windows, Phantom doesn’t though

And from there you get your mirror and injector band fairly early in act 2

[light swan]

yea, its part of the learning curve, and the game expects you to learn bossfights this way in base hk and in some bosses in silksong anyway so id say this is just a benefit in terms of gaem design lol

[void pelican]

Get rid of the gauntlet and make the ads part of the fight

[scarlet cloak]

Guess I'll never get beast crest

[waxen whale]

Chat for ll should my next crest be

1. Witch
2. Shaman
3. Architect
4. hunter

[alpine crest]

He has four moves. Literally 4 moves. He spits the poison orbs, he tries to eat you, he dives into the water to summon goons & a trap, and he does the shade soul attack.

He's a big flying enemy with 4 moves, how's he a top 5 💔

[green shale]

groal was easy asside from all the walk and adds before hand

[scarlet cloak]

Thanks anyway tho :3

[fast geode]

i think youre looking for the word "sidegrade"

[finite ingot]

I mean they would die pretty quick by the wrecking balls

[alpine crest]

Shaman is peak for ll, it flows really nicely :D

[open path]

Architect should be free but Shaman is quite fun

[finite ingot]

It's so fun to fight him and he is so goofy

[fast geode]

shaman kinda easy mode ngl

[alpine crest]

fair

[waxen whale]

I don’t like tool spam. I use 1 red tool a fight at most

[light swan]

you can probably heal during widows slide and grimm attack (diagonal one)
for phantom, you have the triple stab thing and you can bait her out after her throw
(these are mostly speculation since i havent fought them with witch yet)

[void pelican]

I mean I’d say it fixes the issue if groal being too easy and the gauntlet being tedious

[scarlet cloak]

Yeah, just annoying as shit

[waxen coral]

shut up and get me a beer

[fast geode]

then why tf did you list it as an option

[rigid basin]

no its a downgrade in the majority of scenarios, its an extremely niche crest and is only better in very small portions of the game.

[open path]

all you really need is a plasmium overdose then you can go needle only if you want

[waxen whale]

In case people wanted to see me do it

[finite ingot]

Yeah it's a nice fix

[rigid basin]

overal its a downgrade from any other crest

[waxen whale]

True

[open path]

sigh <@&283547423706447872>

[junior cedar]

Due

[rigid basin]

why are we getting raided god damn @mellow rampart

[waxen coral]

shut up and get me a cob

[coarse leaf]

Crypto scam in the big 25

<@&283547423706447872>

[scarlet cloak]

Again

[rigid basin]

<@&283547423706447872>

[green shale]

lmao

[finite ingot]

How does volt vessels work with pollen pouch?

[waxen whale]

Ok I’ll do shaman next; thanks chat; ill come back when I win

[marsh ibex]

<@&283547423706447872>

[void pelican]

Who keeps letting these clankers in

[scarlet cloak]

<@&283547423706447872> kindly

[alpine crest]

tbh every single crest can be an "easy mode"

Architect? duh
Wanderer? Facetanking heaven
Hunter? Facetanking heaven (slightly less effective)
Witch? Legalize nuclear binds
Shaman? Legalize nuclear silk skills
Beast? Facetanking heaven
Reaper? Idunno just spam a bunch of binds for healings sake

[shell yacht]

Why

[open path]

although that feels like a habit carried over from using Wanderers now that I think about it

[scarlet cloak]

Oh nvm it's gone

[marsh ibex]

THE MESSAGE IS ALREADY DELETED

[waxen coral]

@.... jk

[shell yacht]

Shuttit

[fast geode]

its only a downgrade in a "majority of scenarios" if youre not properly using it, and saying that its "niche" when it just objectively has one of the better, more well rounded movesets outside of its bind as well as 3 blue tools is kinda crazy ngl

[scarlet cloak]

I MISSED IT

[primal horizon]

is it now...

[alpine crest]

okay Green Prince

[covert gyro]

WHERE THE HELL IS COGWORKER CLAPPER BOSS

[scarlet cloak]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAST RESPONSE

[tawny palm]

i tested again

it takes 5 shards to craft bind, on top of the cost of the tools

[void pelican]

Mods when they have to do their one, simple job

[fast geode]

how are you gonna call hunter a facetanker when its gimmick is literally "dont take damage = deal more damage" 😭

[waxen whale]

Probably is. I don’t even know what red tools would be good to spam. All I know is flintslate, lifeblood and cogflies

[coarse leaf]

the CORE

[worldly umbra]

hornet if she took her [SOUL] out

[coarse leaf]

Hunters main gimmick is 40% extra damage if you never get hit bro

[soft lynx]

Cursed mode:
Kill me.

[primal horizon]

i respect the moderators still helping making this world a better place

[scarlet cloak]

Just maybe in the place called the COGWORK core

[finite ingot]

DON'T MAKE A DARK FOUNTAIN HORNET

[terse stone]

it’s like she’s in some king of coursed ending….

[primal horizon]

hi fresh

[light swan]

witch is NOT an easy mode lol theres nothing that makes it super easy with it

[soft lynx]

The what?
UT core music kicked in

[coarse leaf]

Bell eater

[light swan]

nuclear binds still require a lot of skill to land

[alpine crest]

oh it goes completely against the gimmick of the crest, but it's still a relatively fast-attacking crest with a good tool layout and a well-rounded moveset with some decent range

[green shale]

wait styx? do you know someone named skynx

[amber needle]

okay y'all were not kidding about flea juggle huh

[light swan]

are we talking about bell eater specifically or a bunch or bosses in general

[worldly umbra]

could lowk fall asleep to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxuHjJ_DcuQ&list=RDjxuHjJ_DcuQ&start_radio=1

[coarse leaf]

w.d. hornet fell into the core

[terse stone]

wait yeah witch would be great for bell eater lmao

[coarse leaf]

Just bell eater specifically, i used it on bell eater and nuked him

[green shale]

its so evil

[finite ingot]

Magnetite dice is so fun to equip, the spirit of it's previous user flows trought me and encourages me to gamble

[alpine crest]

just think of it as a threadstorm in terms of "do I have the time and positioning to land it?"

[soft lynx]

Nooo-

[fast geode]

it has the default attack speed which it shares (im pretty sure) with every crest except reaper wanderer and beast

[coarse leaf]

Because the nuclear bind lands twice

[alpine crest]

isn't shaman also slower?

[scarlet cloak]

I do not

[fallow jewel]

YO can someone post some skong vids in here for me to watch my mom blocked YouTube and im using discord as a workaround 💀💀😭

[amber needle]

spore shroom is that you

[fast geode]

yeah i forgot also wouldnt higher range make it better at poking safely instead of facetanking

[light swan]

ig yea but even then, as bosses get harder it gets harder to land thread storms and you still get punished if you miss them

[obsidian swift]

thats like half the crests you just listed

[scarlet cloak]

Care to clue me in?

[fallow jewel]

Pls

[green shale]

man you guys look like brothers or something have you ever met a huntress?

[worldly umbra]

excuse me WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAN3oyIYn68

[fast geode]

lowk you right but my point is that its speed is average

[light swan]

have fun with first sinner ascended and second sentinel hitless, both with barbed bracelet 5 masks witch crest

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[alpine crest]

ig the only boss I still truly remember fully is Lost Lace (since she's the only one you can rematch, godhome can't come faster team cherry)

still, the bind works well for her, so I'm guessing it applies to other hard bosses like Karmelita?

[scarlet cloak]

I only just started Act 2 my apologies ToT

[light swan]

yes

[scarlet cloak]

Styx is my comfort character I love him

[terse stone]

God the sprint attack for witch is fucking nuts

[green shale]

oh my b

[alpine crest]

like with karmelita you can probably get a guaranteed bind punish on that phase 2&3 attack where she runs across the floor and spawns spikes

[gilded cradle]

So uh what happens after you do threefold melody

[scarlet cloak]

All good! I've seen some pics of the huntress I just don't know who she is really

[green shale]

why is the guy who wants to be a slave your comfort charecter

[tawny palm]

u meet the final 2 bosses

[placid solstice]

[fast geode]

you should play the game and find out gng

[light swan]

and also her basic slashes and spins yea

[alpine crest]

clover dancers are self-explanatory
haven't done Khann
You can prolly punish seth's dash after the explosion
Nyleth is self-explanatory

damn, what other bosses are even act 3 exclusive & hard 😭

[scarlet cloak]

No comment

[terse stone]

play the game

[void pelican]

Stop bullying her she’s already a fraud 😢

[meager swan]

Guys, do you need Faydown Cloak to actually complete Silksong? The only thing I feel like I need it for is for High Halls but I'm unsure.

[terse stone]

I know what you are

[void pelican]

There aren’t any

[fast geode]

for ending 1 no

[gilded cradle]

Yeah you do

[scarlet cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[open path]

it is not required for the normal ending

[alpine crest]

How the hell is she a fraud
She took me like 100+ tries while lost lace (with barbed bracelet on) only took 24 😭

[amber needle]

okay where are the spots that i need silk soar for?

[green shale]

ok well have fun eating silk or whatever it is you do

[waxen whale]

Is this low% legal? Or do you need % to do the skip first

[stiff briar]

Styx will always be a 1970s hard-rock band to me and not an immortal simp

[viral wave]

my fav characters so far are 12th Architect and Vaultkeeper Cardinius :)

[void pelican]

Just my experience ig. I beat her in 5 tries but I was expecting 10+ from what people were saying

[scarlet cloak]

Good choices :3

[green shale]

por que no los dos?

[alpine crest]

Jesus Christ, ig you're goated then

[worldly umbra]

guys what bosses do you think will be buffed in pantheon of pharloom? im thinking cogwork dancers, raging conchflies, maybe pintress dlc bosses, grandmother silk/lost lace buffs, or another version of first sinner like winged nosk

[fast geode]

SECOND SENTINEL MY BELOVED

[scarlet cloak]

I like styx, caretaker, and phantom

[worldly umbra]

@waxen whalenuh uh its a major glitch so no

[terse stone]

I love how Hornet is absolutely done with cardinius’s shit

[fast geode]

"YAAA"

[open path]

it uses a major glitch so I would assume no

[scarlet cloak]

Ok I'm off to go play the game now

[alpine crest]

I adore second sentinel's fight, hell it's in my top 10 silksong fights, but why the hell is it so incredibly easy?

[viral wave]

Caretaker also awesome. Widow is solidly close to top too

[waxen whale]

Karmelita took me 6 attempts. Ll took me hours the first time

[alpine crest]

WHY did team cherry give 1-mask damage to an act 2/3 boss 😭

[mild pebble]

mif they wingnoskify first sinner wtf

[green shale]

i think my fav is seth and prob the one ant that doesnt speak english

[waxen whale]

Gotcha makes sense

[alpine crest]

Why the hell do I have to put on the barbed bracelet to take STANDARD BOSS DAMAGE
I am wearing the barbed bracelet, WHY can I still facetank you 😭

[coarse leaf]

Gurr is going to get a bunch of new tools and architect spam you

[fast geode]

theres probably a thematic reason for it but like im not literate enough for ts

[worldly umbra]

@mild pebblesecond sinner

[waxen whale]

Also shaman crest ll is wrecking me. I ain’t a spell guy 😭

[viral wave]

YEAHHH only saw the latter when dead though :( sad

[void pelican]

I died 7 times to lost garmond before that

[terse stone]

I think I would actually kill team cherry if they did that to first sinner 😭

[alpine crest]

wait gimme like 10 minutes to get to the abyss

[obsidian swift]

what spells are you using

[waxen whale]

And I can’t even use multibind because the heal is too long for ll

[coarse leaf]

i hate how fast they get

[green shale]

do you still get the items if he died?

[fast geode]

garmond was lowk unfair

[waxen whale]

Thread storm

[mild pebble]

nosk was kinda neat until they did that to him

[coarse leaf]

Why are you using beast crest

[fast geode]

ok but youre using beast

[ruby ermine]

when is someone gonna port hk and ss bosses into the opposite games

[worldly umbra]

@coarse leafusing beast crest for that is crazy

[green shale]

beast is crazy

[stiff briar]

double-jump into the air from high on the wall

[cinder fox]

3 dancers like maybe the cogwork ones and the green prince at the same time would be a cool fight

[obsidian swift]

theres 3 spell slots tho

[waxen whale]

I just ignore them

[muted remnant]

silsong

[coarse leaf]

Parry spam and pale nails is the play

[fast geode]

may i introduce you to our lord and savior injector band

[terse stone]

I love Nosk, why did they turn him into worse vengefly king

[worldly umbra]

@cinder foxim thinking no eyes treatment for cogwork dancers

[viral wave]

||yeah you do
mask on them + curveclaw after a small arena fight in room above||

[coarse leaf]

my record with beast is 50 something. working up to beating seth

[pulsar pond]

Third wheel is crazy

[obsidian swift]

at least get cross stitch just in case you get cornered

[jolly oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1405048691383079015/1425896448322703420/togif.gif

[alpine crest]

lowkey, Lost Lace is like the one fight where thread storm isn't really optimal

[waxen whale]

I use controller so cross stitch would have to be done looking up or down 🥀

[obsidian swift]

its good after you trigger her parry

[void pelican]

Nooo I don’t wanna change my spell 😔

[green shale]

ah so those mf killed them evil

[cinder fox]

That would be pretty sick

[fast geode]

are you ragebaiting

[coarse leaf]

Use parry in middle slot and pale nails in upward slot

[waxen whale]

Up and rb or down and rb

[heady rampart]

MASSIVE NEWS FOR THE UNEMPLOYED MINIMUM BOSSES WENT FROM 5 TO 4

[amber needle]

[fast geode]

you do realize that you can just put it on the middle one right

[viral wave]

reposting this bc it got overrun. funny bug that happened

[severe fox]

||The last judge|| really is a skill check for act 2, It's forcing me to git gud cause before I'd die in the start of the fight and now I'm making it to phase 3.

[worldly umbra]

@heady rampartwhat how where when why

[heady rampart]

THE VIDEO YOU JUST LINKED

[waxen whale]

Ok use parry as my main spell. I ain’t a speedrunner so put the thread storm away got it

[fast geode]

omg its my favorite character second sentinel hiiiii

[cinder fox]

Lowk it feels like using moonlight great sword in a dark souls run

[spiral pasture]

mf used delvers drill the fuck

[terse stone]

I love last judge

[median isle]

Okay so ||coral tower|| is kicking my teeth in is there a checkpoint please

[worldly umbra]

@heady rampart oh well thats major glitches category not for low% and stuff like that but yeah its CRAZY

[void pelican]

Imma beat the game today

[heady rampart]

it skips 3 bosses but for the setup you need to defeat 2 bosses previously not in the run

[coarse leaf]

Trust man thread storm is gonna whiff so often on a boss that moves as much as her unless she's staggered

[green shale]

thats dave he like to root arohnd in the floor i would agree that he is a funny bug

[median isle]

Definitely worse than the act 2 room

[amber needle]

you banished them wtf

[void pelican]

Mark my words all bosses will be done before the end of the day

[heady rampart]

hello kiwi

[fast geode]

you are you using shaman are you not? just put threadstorm on the down slot or sm

[green shale]

im in typo hell

[obsidian swift]

she stands still after she parries

[severe fox]

it's been 7 hours since I started fighting them (I have been exploring a bit I went through ||Sinners road|| for tack tool)

[worldly umbra]

groal supremecy must STOP

[severe fox]

it's definitely fun but so punishing cause I like playing aggressive.

[green shale]

crying

[coarse leaf]

Is it long enough to safely thread storm

[void pelican]

Did anyone else just stop using tools around mid game. There’s no damage sponge bosses

[worldly umbra]

@green shalewhat were you saying dude

[cinder fox]

The fight itself is actually pretty enjoyable, it's just the run back that makes me want to jump off a cliff

[waxen whale]

I just used flintslate as my main tool

[cinder fox]

Cogfly spam the entire game trust

[green shale]

a bad word i guess one assosiated with consumption

[mild pebble]

FR THE OG NOSK WAS COOL

[viral wave]

sequel. was bewildered.

tested if spikes worked. but then they didn’t and had to take a moment to process what happened

[void pelican]

Noooo I fucking hate that tool

[crystal ledge]

but hes goated 😭

[coarse leaf]

I used the conch cutter and delvers drill to do a gurren lagann build

[exotic dome]

my father

[obsidian swift]

maybe not a full mash but mostly yeah

[worldly umbra]

@cinder foxyea its pretty fun im saying how theres too many people glazing groal and just saying groal is the best i know its a joke but it makes me wanna [HYPERLINK BLOCKED]

[heady rampart]

wait i was wrong this doesnt change shit you still need bell beast so it skips 3 bosses but adds 3 bosses to the run

[crystal ledge]

thread storm?
nvm he did

[fast geode]

on architect

[void pelican]

I’m a poshanka guy

[amber needle]

GIVE ME MY FUCKING FLOWER

[coarse leaf]

Yes, with pin badge

[fast geode]

you are so fucking real

[spiral pasture]

first!
lobotomy!

[terse stone]

Bosses don’t count as percent

[weak lantern]

i was saying beast is worse. You can get witch heal safely 100% of the time. Just go on safe openings. For beast, after the bind you still have to get 3 hits in, and how quickly you can get them depends on the next attack, which is rng

[heady rampart]

im not talking abt low%

[tawny palm]

rune rage is actually so good it melted LL's first 2 phases

[waxen whale]

Shaman crest was not made for me 🥀

[fast geode]

BEAST BIND IS ALSO SIDE GRADE

[viral wave]

yeah it worked

[green shale]

is it bc i used wander the entire game and like attacking fast or does no one else use charge attacks

[queen notch]

how the hell do I open here, the map says a flea is on the other side

[terse stone]

oh

[coarse leaf]

Low% is gonna be stuck at 5 unless someone finds another major skip

[stiff briar]

who has worse breath, groal or this guy

[spiral pasture]

i love shaman crest and then the bind fucks me up and then i hate shaman crest

[tawny palm]

do this, they will oblige

[cinder fox]

You can actually completely skip Bell beast through worm ways, it doesn't even need glitches

[viral wave]

groal for sure

[coarse leaf]

4% low percent when

[tawny palm]

i love this image its so funny

[heady rampart]

ik but for the skip i was talking abt you need bell beast

[mortal lichen]

is it just me, or does one of seth's voicelines sound like he's shouting "Slovenia!"

[weak lantern]

sure, but a risky one. You either get a lot or a little out of it. Depends on what the boss decides to do next.

[lusty valve]

im terrified

[craggy flame]

When she silk on my song till i shae

[waxen whale]

We would need a major skip that doesn’t involve a major bug

[heady rampart]

fuck you mean

[amber needle]

||ITS THE FUCKING THREE DREAMERS AGAIN???||

[vernal osprey]

She’s probably the hardest boss i fought so far

[fast geode]

yeah pretty much

[worldly umbra]

guys i made a new tool!

[placid solstice]

That's possible rn

[cinder fox]

Ooh ok

[waxen whale]

There’s a secret fourth one

[terse stone]

You can also skip it (I think) through hunters march if you hate yourself, through the shortcut to deep docks

[tawny palm]

three dreamers three melodies ghree hearts

whats next

[amber needle]

[craggy flame]

NOOOOOAUGJHHSVJSVDJD I JUST FIED I GOT MO MILBEY

[fast geode]

the real antagonist of silksong was late stage totalitarian capitalism

[coarse leaf]

How, 5% was the latest speedrun i was aware of

[heady rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-broke-silksong-hornet-poor-shaw-gif-2887891468037019861

[viral wave]

also you can call me completely bonkers for this but

I unironically find Bilewater fun. it’s horrible. it’s a kinda twisted lovehate relationship
-# not looking forward to Groal runback though

[mortal lichen]

you shouldn't do that, though, because it can cause a softlock

[amber needle]

there's a secret bench if you haven't already found it

[stiff briar]

oh snap someone actually made this animation

[placid solstice]

skipping moss mother saves a % for some reason, even though I don't remember her giving one

[viral wave]

i find sinner’s road more frustrating than bilewater so far

[coarse leaf]

Is this real? And how do they skip it

[terse stone]

it’s the deepnest of SS in terms of it’s gameplay purpose

[cinder fox]

If you have cloak it doesn't soft lock you

[placid solstice]

Idk exactly how to explain it, ill try and get a video of it tomorrow

[green shale]

no the area is cool but only once you have kill groal and undersetand the little guys who jump out at you

[formal shadow]

it wouldve been so much better if they added 1 bench

[mortal lichen]

probably room duplication, because that already exists for some reason

[viral wave]

loved deepnest for similar reasons which is probably to do with it 💀

got some weird fondness for purposefully horrible areas

[fast geode]

hear me out, in terms of gameplay purpose (not actual gameplay), its more like white palace

[waxen whale]

Chat is there a shaman build that doesn’t use any spells

[fast geode]

in terms of like themes and actual gameplay though yeah its deepnest

[mortal lichen]

don't you need eira to escape the slab in act 1?

[coarse leaf]

ROOM DUPLICATION? How does that even work

[viral wave]

yeah that’s my biggest criticism so far. it needs more leeway in the form of that

[amber needle]

[tawny palm]

will claw mirrors still hit twice with witch + multi binder

[alpine crest]

Yup! It does kinda pseudo ish-maybe use barbed bracelet though, if you're fine with that!

[terse stone]

Not really? Both Bilewater and Deepnest are intentionally horrible areas that are hostile to the player in most ways

White Palace is just a platforming challenge

[fast geode]

this is diabolical wtf is this

[green shale]

i wish silksong had a path of pain

[tawny palm]

i will donate u some memory lockets ffs

[cinder fox]

Oh that's not what I was thinking of, if you don't have dash you get softlocked when you get needolin

[viral wave]

it’s fun but it’s so unforgiving and i love and hate it in different ways

[formal shadow]

ngl id put parry in the middle since u gotta time it right

[amber needle]

me getting shaman less than a minute ago

[coarse leaf]

PLEASE use volt filament I'm begging

[amber needle]

i don't have slots

[placid solstice]

Hm? I've gotten needolin without dash and I wasn't softlocked

[ruby ermine]

haha! i wuv groal!

[terse stone]

If we’re going to compare anything to white palace, there’s Mount Fay, an area that is also entirely a platforming challenge

[alpine crest]

@waxen whale this is the build (barbed bracelet-less), if you're interested. It's focused around utilizing the range of the regular moveset, and spamming the charged attack for Shaman crest.

[coarse leaf]

You need either drifters or dash

[formal shadow]

remove long claw trust

[placid solstice]

You don't need either really

[cinder fox]

If you don't have cloak or dash, then the platforming in the silk scene thing is impossible

[viral wave]

okay. can we have an OBSCURE hint for where the twisted bud is

[fast geode]

i mean... white palace is also intentionally horrible, + both the white palace and bilewater serve as kind of an optional gauntlet to test the player's skill while also acting as the gate to full completion

[coarse leaf]

Hell

[amber needle]

bilewater

[viral wave]

in bilewater already but

[worldly umbra]

@ruby ermine haha! im different cuz i wuv groal!

[lean pendant]

Am I missing any requirements for the ||Silk and Soul|| wish? I completed all three wishboards, I acquired a bellhome, I collected all three melodies, and I defeated the ||Lace rematch|| in ||The Cradle.|| The wish doesn't show up in Songclave for some reason.

[amber needle]

okay lemme write a cryptic ass poem for this

[mortal lichen]

the one way to trigger it that I've seen is by benching in grand bellway, causing pogo storage (pogo into a hazard that used to do 2 damage like worms or cogs), killing yourself to respawn at grand bellway, using your stored pogo while holding out the map, sitting on the bench again, entering the ventrica, un-holding the map whilst in the ventrica menu, then dashing into a new room whilst selecting a ventrica station at the exat same time. could be other setups though, I have no idea.

[waxen whale]

Thanks

[alpine crest]

In lands ruined by the capital of toil
A bud of vines remains rooted to the soil

[cinder fox]

You have to have killed the final boss

[formal shadow]

u gotta beat 2nd lace

[fast geode]

bro is fast with it

[viral wave]

also shoutout whispering vaults i LOVE that place. sad it’s so small because its gimmick is fun

[alpine crest]

or something idunno I'm not Monomom the teacher I can't rhyme for shit

[vale whale]

prime sentinel, ultimate chorus, soul sage groal, moss matriarch, revered chef lugoli, pinstress order (pinstress and seamstress), impure mother (void gms), vespa boss, apex bell eater, cragglers (two of them), lord of the hunt gurr, village heroes garmond and zaza, forlorn apostate

alot of bosses need EXTREME buffs this game has super easy bosses imo

[coarse leaf]

If they could do that that might end up making low% lower... oh wow. 4% is gonna be miserable

[worldly umbra]

@lean pendantall requriments

[fast geode]

he might be monomon the teacher

[formal shadow]

u can just kill 2nd lace and go back

[alpine crest]

-# does this even make sense?

[tawny palm]

damn lost lace fight is so long

[spare zephyr]

Gang does anyone have advice for tormented trobio im miserable rn

[lean pendant]

I said that.

[stiff briar]

Beneath the bell that hums no chime,
A garden’s curse in roots entwine.
Twisted dreams in silence bloom—
Seek the bud where song meets gloom.

[alpine crest]

what 1,8k hp does to a mfer:

[coarse leaf]

Drugs

[lean pendant]

Oh and I moved the fleas to Fleatopia as well.

[terse stone]

White palace doesn’t have any enemies, it’s just platforming, and it does not convey the same message of “you do not belong here, leave” it’s more due to the nature of how you enter it “pass my challenge” it’s still somewhat inviting, it’s a peaceful area

[worldly umbra]

@vale whale god damn bro became shakespear for these names

[mortal lichen]

this bug can be done to open the wall in terminus early, skipping cogwork dancers, lace2 and the entire threefold melody quest.

[fast geode]

arson

[pulsar pond]

The bud is in bilewater, but also isn't in bilewater

[alpine crest]

tfw you do something and someone else does it but they do it better but they do it so much better that you can't even be mad and it's just like damn

[tawny palm]

i have a maxed out nail why does she take 9000 hits to enter phase 2 😭

[spare zephyr]

is it so over

[ruby ermine]

on a second playthrough Groal was honestly really fun
think people will learn to love him once godhome comes out

[alpine crest]

it takes 86 hits to kill her with a maxed out needle

[ruby ermine]

lol imagine ascended groal has no floor

[coarse leaf]

So 3%???? No needolin or lace2 silk heart

[inner pendant]

she just hates you. only you btw

[amber needle]

To find a child of root and ash,
Quite unknown on why, such a task,
The libraries of old in places once gilded,
Maybe there, quite below, one may find the curses awaiting.

[formal shadow]

mb u did shakras quest tho?

[vale whale]

apex bell eater would get that phase which it lost when bell beast killed it since it would replace bell beast in pantheon of pharloom aswell

[merry wing]

foil steam badge, i have become john silksong

[cinder fox]

Will say that those are some sick names

[terse stone]

You can’t accidentally go into mount fay like you can with Bilewater or Deepnest, there’s only one entrance and you have to choose to start climbing

[lean pendant]

No.

[fast geode]

idk about you but i interpret the buzzsaws and moving traps everywhere as "gtfo of here you are not welcome" but maybe thats just me

[mortal lichen]

is the sacred cylinder not a percentage?

[stiff briar]

kind of assumed that everyone just uses chatgpt to write any type of poem these days lawl

[inner pendant]

DLC PLEASE GIVE US FOURTH CHORUS REMATCH

[viral wave]

ok this + #sk-discussion message <- that

that gives me perfect pointers without giving it away, thank you both

[mild pebble]

easy bosses 😢

[formal shadow]

do that.

[worldly umbra]

@ruby erminenah im saying that theres too MUCH groal glaze too many groal accounts and im just not a fan of it (i likedthe groal fight)

[tawny palm]

90
she takes .95 damge so ur needle does 20 not 21

[vale whale]

oh and duelist of silk and steel (phantom)

[viral wave]

one more thing. is it locked behind groal

[tawny palm]

if i go insane imma start counting my hits

[ruby ermine]

citadel's chorus
all 4 robots (dont ask how thatd work lol)

[coarse leaf]

i finally found a yt video to watch while eating 🥹

[amber needle]

thank fucking god it's not

[alpine crest]

idunno, that poem made a lot of sense and I feel like I'd go mad and paranoid if I always suspected people of using ai

[viral wave]

WHEW!!!!!

[ruby ermine]

ohh havent noticed anything like that

[coarse leaf]

If you can skip the threefold melody you don't need it no? But it shouldn't be. The 5% was drifters, needolin, lace2 silk heart, parry, and clawline if I'm correct, but i might have clawline mixed up

[terse stone]

right, but you CHOSE to go there, Bilewater and Deepnest are areas you just happen upon

[inner pendant]

its just the silksong enemy multiplier mod lmao

[mild pebble]

ive died multiple times on every boss but 4 chorus buffing bosses 😭

[wintry remnant]

Dude finding the last few fleas is busy fucking work lmao I really want that pale oil man

[ruby ermine]

not like layered on each other-
theyd find something cool to do

[wintry remnant]

I bought the locations from the warrior flea but can't seem to find em those mfers are well hidden

[vale whale]

fourth chorus is easy i first tried it

[cinder fox]

Drifters doesn't give a percent for some reason

[mild pebble]

i count hits if um so fed up bc it helps me get into flow somehow

[tawny palm]

meet the 3 brothers juggle, dodge and bounce

[amber needle]

okay your poem was better than mine lowkey, i didn't even bother rhyming LMAO

[viral wave]

ok this helps too

[ruby ermine]

which ones you missing?

[wintry remnant]

Where are they

[inner pendant]

fr...those maps helped but i hit so many walls looking for where they could be

[tawny palm]

ok but 90 hits to kill a boss is alot

[fast geode]

unless you fall in through the vaults then not really but any way you enter it is hidden behind a secret so im not sure about this

[mild pebble]

yeah so did i but every other boss hss killed me at least twice

[tawny palm]

its a joke

u will understand when u get all fleas

[viral wave]

don’t say if it is the case but getting ||somewhere right below vaults|| from these, thanks everyone

[coarse leaf]

You're right it was cling grip

[wintry remnant]

Bilelands citadel even tho I'm sure I found 2 in the citadel I'm sure that's all of em in the citadel dude n underworks I believe

[lean pendant]

Apparently, it's possible to trigger Shakra's wish after fighting Groal the Groat.

[inner pendant]

they stack on each other, you gotta climb them shadow of the colossus style

[covert gyro]

HOW DO YOU FIGHT PINTRESS

[vale whale]

i would hope so😭 it's very unlikely in any game you can beat a boss that fast since you have to adapt

[inner pendant]

isnt it only all shakra-made maps as a requirement for shakras wish?

[ruby ermine]

bilelands could be above exhaust organ

[pulsar pond]

[vale whale]

unless youre some gamer god youre gonna die like 5 times to a new boss

[waxen whale]

Cog fly

[coarse leaf]

Shaman

[mild pebble]

you said many bosses were easy and need big buffs is all

[prime drum]

I like styx does he die in act 3?

[covert gyro]

NO LIKE HOW YOU UNLOCK THE BOSS FIGHT

[amber needle]

just be prepared for what happens when you turn in the quest

[vale whale]

they are

[terse stone]

No

[fast geode]

"wait its all cogfly"

[noble jolt]

unravelled and Savage beast flies, share one thing in common and it's that most of their damage comes from contact damage and they're not designed around that

[wintry remnant]

U mean the place where u find the sacred cylinder ?

[prime drum]

Ah ok

[cinder fox]

Nope

[pulsar pond]

Act 3

[ruby ermine]

where you fought phantom

[lean pendant]

Bungus

[prime drum]

What's the deal with him why is obsessed with being our slave

[ruby ermine]

theres an area above the building

[wintry remnant]

I know but u said above exhaust organ

[viral wave]

if it helps I know what it entails so. y e a j.

[cinder fox]

¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[fast geode]

hes a freak /pos

[lean pendant]

What is y'alls favorite voiceline to impulsively say out loud as a filler word?

[wintry remnant]

@prime drum FOR THE EMPEROR

[ruby ermine]

yeah...above the entrance theres some platforms

[coarse leaf]

If you can do room skip then low% could potentially be 2% if you get to skip the threefold melody. Just cross stitch and cling grip to access citadel

[viral wave]

have seen a bit of footage and wow that’s scary

[stiff briar]

anyone else feel like The Mist is a lost opportunity, it's just totally pointless... an unnecessary shortcut

[ruby ermine]

poshanka :D

[terse stone]

He’s a freaky little pathetic malewife

[pulsar pond]

ZEZEBOOOO

[amber needle]

there's an ending if you don't get the crest

[viral wave]

YEAH THAT TOO

[amber needle]

SENSIBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fast geode]

dawg what is this take lol

[coarse leaf]

Low% 2% coming soon ❗

[lean pendant]

Temir hjem.

[terse stone]

What would you do with it lmao, it’s not meant to be an actual area, it’s a puzzle

[mild pebble]

wait so its good i died a lot you want me to die so much i wuit?

[viral wave]

it’ll hopefully be worth it bc i really really really want witch. it’ll give a taster of it at least

[prime drum]

Eh I hope he can stop being pathetic and kill something

[fringe bluff]

Guys how to cheese brood mother?

[prime drum]

Brutality

[amber needle]

i can give a bit of an analysis on witch iyw

[waxen whale]

I forgot to count my shaman crest attempts but it’s probably like 13+ now

[fast geode]

it dont even make sense because not only is there like some pretty good lore locked behind it, theres also a spell and a whole ass boss in there that you have to get

[velvet wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-lesbian-gif-1047419076495225461

[pulsar pond]

He gives precious silkeaters he's goated

[prime drum]

Idk, I got her stuck in the wall once

[vale whale]

hivesteel and pogo

[pulsar pond]

When in doubt, cog it out

[coarse leaf]

Who's ready to run 2% category 🔥

[prime drum]

Yeah he's cool

[viral wave]

please do (seen it in action and it has huuuuuge appeal but haven’t used it personally yet)

[thorn night]

i read this wrong

[prime drum]

How?

[noble jolt]

there was a time when I was uncertain about putting unravelled in f tier but naw that fucker belongs at the bottom

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma79NL18Vck

"Vren"

[fast geode]

FREN

[ruby ermine]

karama

[terse stone]

we love our homophobic lesbian (she is homophobic towards gay men) (she just hates green prince in particular actually, fuck that guy and his wishes to be left alone)

[lean pendant]

Mežina fura

[ruby ermine]

we better get a single shaw in the dlc

[alpine crest]

god damn

I could upload a clip of me doing her with a silk skill-less shaman crest build, if that'd help ya see how to use the crest

[stiff briar]

it's fun once but what's the point, sinner's road even has a much easier shortcut to bilewater

[fast geode]

"bro we only needed 3 hearts not 4"
"they were gay i had to"

[velvet wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/true-meter-true-homer-simpson-homer-gif-11975812670390164903

[terse stone]

…because that’s not the point lmao, you aren’t meant to use it to get to Bilewater, it’s a alternate way to act 2

[thorn night]

hasbin

[cinder fox]

The real shaw was the silks we songed along the way

[tawny palm]

lost lace is so hard damn i keep dying in phase 3

[pulsar pond]

When in doubt
cog it out

[ruby ermine]

hardest part of lost lace is not being able to see her bitch ass

[alpine crest]

what're ya struggling with?

[tawny palm]

she is pretty fast

[alpine crest]

did you ⭐ that message due to being in the deltarune server?

[pulsar pond]

Truly.

[mortal lichen]

Hornet is actually very kind to the green prince. He wanted the cogwork dancers destroyed, so she did it. She then helps the green prince to escape his endless cycle of grief and lament in act 3.

[tawny palm]

i have -2 shell shards and 3 rosaries

[ruby ermine]

no...?

[terse stone]

me when I brutally murder a prince because I’m bored

[ruby ermine]

I meant the giant arena wtf is happening with you 😭

[fast geode]

wheres waldo ass arena

[waxen whale]

Update: shaman crest is not for me lol

[pulsar pond]

Textures got fucked for the port lmfao 😭

[viral wave]

CONGRATS
incredible time!!!!!

[cinder fox]

Join the hunter cult

[ruby ermine]

witch and beast crest should heal one mask even if nothing is hit

[dull willow]

sub 1:30 soon D:

[alpine crest]

ightey

wondered so since I've not really seen anyone use ⭐ as a reaction outside of that place due to the pandora palace thingey, y'know

[terse stone]

I don’t get what’s kind about invading his memories after he pretty much told you to fuck off

[waxen whale]

I am a wanderer user through and through

[dull willow]

preciate it

[cinder fox]

Close enough

[fast geode]

nnnnnnnnnnahhhh maybe beast but not witch

[ruby ermine]

wanderer is so boring

[dull willow]

cap

[mortal lichen]

he was trying to build walls when he needed to build bridges. his short-sighted wish to hide away and kick himself forever was taking control of him, but hornet knew what was truly best. I'm sure he will be thankful for this in the afterlife.

[crisp heron]

i thought this then i got to phase 6 and every attack doing FOUR masks is insane

[alpine crest]

tbf wanderer mains and hunter mains are basically siblings

[viral wave]

my time with Witch is rapidly approaching, sorry Hunter gang. will leave you soon 🫡

[fast geode]

learn how to parry multi hits and then come back

[dull willow]

yeah never bundle me in with the diagpogoers

[ruby ermine]

im a hunter main I disagree with this

[alpine crest]

mf forgot to equip the Palelight to reduce it to 3 💔

[cinder fox]

My one complaint with it is that there was no passive, they couldve done smth cool with it but they didn't for some reason

[coarse leaf]

Hunters ONLY gimmick is NOT getting hit bro

[pulsar pond]

Wait that's bars holy shit

[crisp heron]

equip the hornetvoid crest

[hushed mortar]

I was trying to find Seth and found verdania on my way…

[dull willow]

crits:

[amber needle]

Witch Crest
-# slots shown below

In a way, WITCH is like BEAST 2.0. It's a boss shredder crest, abandoning all defense for offensive and siphoning.
Witch's main gimmick is the Bind, just like Beast--where it turns into an AoE attack that can hit 3 (or 4 with Multibinder) times, each hit restoring a mask for the user. With a potential of 4 blue slots, the most in the game, the Witch can really do some funky shit.
Most Witch users build around the Bind, as far as I'm aware. Claw Mirror(s), Injection Band, Multibinder, and the rare usage case of Druid's Eyes are some popular ones from what I've seen. Multibinder is kind of wonky and doesn't increase bind damage for as much as one might expect because of what I assume is enemy i-frames. iirc the max damage is like 120 when it should be 140 lmao
Witch has a ton of multi-hit attacks, but none of them grant double silk unfortunately. I will warn you that your down air is angled despite it having more range than Reaper(?), so it really isn't the best at exploring. You will struggle with Witch, it's a very specialized crest.
-# also anyone can correct me if i'm wrong about any of this lmfao

[alpine crest]

y'all, what crest should I do lost lace with next?
optionally, should I use any specific build (that doesn't use any red tools) with said crest?

[hoary mica]

i mean, i guess it has crits, but thats not really a mechanic to interact with. doesnt change gameplay at all

[ruby ermine]

witch is my favorite but not being able to heal on its own makes me not use it much when running around

[spare zephyr]

witch crest ftw

[pulsar pond]

Why don't we have a hive-like tool when we come from the hive like I'm sure hornet could craft sum honey trapping typa shit

[terse stone]

They hated them because they stated the truth

[rose fox]

whatever you like

[hoary mica]

beast

[ruby ermine]

whenever I can I am 100% using it

[alpine crest]

yeah, it's like they're some kind of siblings sealed to their fate

[amber needle]

say that again...

[alpine crest]

the fate of never interacting with a unique gimmick

[hoary mica]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[waxen whale]

My very objective ll crest test had beast crest beat her in 3 tries (I never never used beast before this)

Meanwhile I am stuck on ll using witch and shaman because of their dog binds (8+ attempts for each)

So I disagree

[pulsar pond]

I was about to say architect but nevermind

[dull willow]

i did lost lace with wanderer needle only, its fun asl

[alpine crest]

-# I say while knowing damn well that wanderer is one of my favorite crests in the game

[covert gyro]

SENSIBOO

[coarse leaf]

I beleive the max number has gone up a lot since they fixed blue tools to do more damage with tool upgrades

[cinder fox]

Forgot about crits 😭

[prime drum]

How many times can you upgrade a crest

[hoary mica]

the short range high attack speed IS rhe gimmick

[fast geode]

Running attack grants double silk and does 2x damage (this is the only attack in the game that gives more than one silk)
its just wanderer pogo but like slightly jank idk what you mean bad for exploring
if you wanna talk about witch pogo being annoying for exploring start talking about how it nudges you forward after you land it sometimes causing you to run into the hazard you just pogod

[ruby ermine]

witch is good for ll wdym

[covert gyro]

ZANSIBAA

[terse stone]

it’s like some king of sealed siblings…

[alpine crest]

I would love to do her with architect mt. fay silkshot only, but I don't want to have to go in and out of the abyss each time I want to restock, y'know.

[pulsar pond]

Hunters the only one you can upgrade, which is twice

[mortal lichen]

lace has a bind window larger than jim's ass every time she lunge attacks

[amber needle]

oh shit dash attack actually does something cool

[hoary mica]

pogo also gives you increased iframes iirc

[viral wave]

thanks for the indepth description, even more excited now
the adjustment will be a while but hoping it works out for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[waxen whale]

I did ll first try with reaper and wanderer during my test
3 tries for beast a crest I never used

Shaman and witch are kicking my ass against ll. I hate them

[ruby ermine]

I LOVE SILKSHOT GRRR

[tawny palm]

would have been funny if i didn't know ur joking

but a 3 mask damage attack that covers most of the screen is insane (never got hit by it so far but still)

[prime drum]

Yes how do I upgrade it the second time

[pulsar pond]

Get more lockets and unlock more slots

[dull willow]

u have to restock for that? i thought it just eats ur silk

[ruby ermine]

now do architect no tools

[fast geode]

witch running attack is nuts

[amber needle]

oh thats an insane change, i never knew that they buffed blues

[prime drum]

Huh wdym

[viral wave]

also btw you do keep clawline when cursed right

[waxen whale]

Eh that’s just weaker hunter

[pulsar pond]

Get lockets, unlock more slots in crests

[alpine crest]

yeah it eats silk, but you also have a maximum amount of shots before you have to sit at a bench / architect reload, and it still consumes shell shards

[cinder fox]

Witch is like the one crest I consistently lose to her with

[ruby ermine]

it SADLY costs shards

[terse stone]

Yup

[hoary mica]

ya

[viral wave]

don’t see why you wouldn’THANK GOD

[mortal lichen]

the buff doesn't effect the bind tools so it's reasonable. mostly tools like claw mirrors and sawtooth circlet.

[amber needle]

you don't lose any abilities while cursed yeah

[ruby ermine]

silkshot shouldnt cost shards lowkey

[prime drum]

I unlocked every slot in the crest, I meant like with eva

[dull willow]

its silkshot, not shardshot 💔

[waxen whale]

Reaper for ll is slow; but it’s consistent because of the good pogo

And wanderer is just my goat (I used wanderer for every boss) and I am a wanderer main

[inner pendant]

"sikkshot"
reloaded with shards

[viral wave]

i’m very bad at consistent horizontal pogo. can do 2 or 3 but many more and i will struggle.

[obsidian swift]

look this is kinda true but was murdering him really best solution

[amber needle]

i mean you gotta make the shells

[alpine crest]

Is it okay if I use clawline, and if so, is this an acceptable build? (ignore the shell amulet and heavy band I forgot to take them off)

[dull willow]

you didnt use wanderer for moss mother 🤓 ☝️

[pulsar pond]

You need to unlock the other crest's slots to upgrade hunter, not hunter itself

[fast geode]

reaper is slow in general (or just always actually theres 0 exception to this)

[viral wave]

ok good. it’s healing, skills and tools that get disabled right

[mortal lichen]

as much as I wish no were the answer, he's been stuck like this for years, maybe decades and there's no therapy in pharloom.

[waxen whale]

Moss mother 2

[ruby ermine]

snitch pick 🥀

[toxic horizon]

Fay silkshot just shoots silk tho

[dull willow]

i mean i used injector band just cuz its fast as hell, but yeah thats a valid build

[waxen whale]

True that’s why I use wanderer

[alpine crest]

now my clawline deals 23 damage instead of 17
upgrades people, upgrades

[ruby ermine]

out of every other blue tool

[inner pendant]

is this abt justifying killing the gay dude

[alpine crest]

ig, but I find that Injector Band makes it too easy, since you have such an insane amount of leeway

[amber needle]

mhm, and crests in general

[fast geode]

where is pin badge aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[toxic horizon]

I feel its a worthy tradeoff for doing less damage than forge daughter silkshot

[terse stone]

Why do you have snitch pick for your vesticrest item lmao

[mortal lichen]

yes

[alpine crest]

I don't really like wanderer crest's charged attack

[dull willow]

i just find it boring not having injector band, i have fun by just bum rushing the boss everytime, getting as many hits in as possible while doing fast dodges

[viral wave]

gotcha…gonna start the quest to find the bud soon then

[ruby ermine]

only charge I like is shaman, that one is awesome

[prime drum]

Mid hoe many do i need

[waxen whale]

Man I hate the witch pogo so useless for bosses

[fast geode]

it does higher damage than most and also it looks cool as hell... style points...

[amber needle]

-# pollip pouch person btw

[cinder fox]

Injector band multibinder goes crazy

[toxic horizon]

It gives iframes

[alpine crest]

I adore it to death (clawline my beloved), + this is a needle-only build, so I might as well use the blue tools that buff needle / needle-related things

[thorn night]

do yall think hornet looks more like widow or GMS under the mask

[viral wave]

-# thank you v much

[dull willow]

multibinder mid

[mortal lichen]

I'm mostly joking with the things I say but also it would be really out of pocket for hornet to just murder an innocent character for no reason

[tawny palm]

i should have started counting deaths because i died so many times

[pulsar pond]

Iono like 10? 12? I unlocked everything before getting it

[ruby ermine]

its not a mask thats just her head

[fast geode]

wait she can take off her mask? i thought that was just her face gng

[sonic meadow]

Why

[toxic horizon]

Just trust me on this

[thorn night]

she mentions shes wearing a mask

[terse stone]

pretty sure snitch pick just makes rosaries come out of an enemy and nothing else, no?

Bosses don’t have rosaries

[waxen whale]

Does lifeblood protect ur hunter crest focus?

[ruby ermine]

we saw baby hornet and she still has that thing

[fast geode]

where

[inner pendant]

i feel bad about in the near future going to kill him for compeltionists sake, but at the same time...

[sonic meadow]

I wanna know why

[dull willow]

makes rosaries come out of you if u get hit

[amber needle]

masks can only be forcibly removed from a bug iirc, since it "ties to a bug's very identity"

[toxic horizon]

Masks for pale beings are faces

[cinder fox]

It is

[alpine crest]

it adds an additional hit to the clawline, which I've been told deals 5 damage

[terse stone]

Isn’t that the other grindle tool?

[ruby ermine]

where does she mention she can take it off??

[mortal lichen]

that's thief's mark

[thorn night]

when talking to the mask maker

[cinder fox]

That's the other grindle one

[tawny palm]

hornet has unique dialogue if u meet karmilta with the everbloom

she had absolutely no reason to kill her yet did 😭

[lusty valve]

Trobbio sucks ass

[dull willow]

oh mb

[alpine crest]

What does she say?

[dull willow]

yeah NEVER disrespect my TRROOOOBBIIOOOO again

[terse stone]

She’s such a hater