sk-discussion

[weary gorge]

Ty lol

[atomic lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/grimm-gif-26058986

[compact elbow]

ez high halls gauntlet

[raven gulch]

Just pogo and dodge that's all u really have to do

[tender viper]

not that bad if you actually use your clawline as a damage source

[old brook]

Most enemies in this game are aspids. Aspids are evil because they punish panic reacting

[native canyon]

circlet doesn't give silk I thought

[tulip spire]

Struggled with cursed gms for two hours then got it, went back in with witch crest and the heal nuke just lets you skip entire phases lol

[vestal knot]

fuck wanderer crest.

[compact elbow]

took me like 5 tries

[weary gorge]

I know, I was pissed i lost so much

[gloomy fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1418568391912067072/Screenshot_2025_0912_193725.png?ex=68ce9844&is=68cd46c4&hm=83fd0028731d19511a1c97000d38a226441c99245b9f5c18d2e98f9d9e341ec2&

[light swan]

yea but its super fast meaning you get a lot of silk from it

[native canyon]

what was the typo I missed it...

[sterile snow]

Aspids arent even myleast fav enemy in hk1

[weary gorge]

I dont even wanna sleep I wanna finish this speedrun lmfao

[young vortex]

yeah mine are the previously mentioned crystal flies

[vestal knot]

yes.

[sterile snow]

That title goes to Soul Twisters

Aspids are predictable to a degree

[native canyon]

those fucking guys...

[compact elbow]

gg new melody

[raven gulch]

In in widows second phase you can stand against the wall and not get hit by the falling bells and pogo on her when she rushes at u

[vestal knot]

frrr

[sterile snow]

Soul Twisters can just say "bye lmfao" and snipe you from fullscreen with homing shots

[gloomy fjord]

Idk there should have been pythagoras theorem aspid

[raven gulch]

Cheesing it on the 2nd phase

[light swan]

witch and hunter are the only crests where you can really spam pogos since you get pulled in, but witch is a bit more consistent cuz it always pulls you in in a similar way, which makes it so much ebtter with sawtooth, other crests youre limited by range or needing to wait to fall again or just weird hitboxes

[native canyon]

you can one shot aspids a lot of the time, soul twisters you need to go so out of your way in progression to be able to one shot them during your first visit to soul sanctum

[tulip spire]

Oh I should try sawtooth on it

[brittle elbow]

beast

[vestal knot]

You’re a femboy? Hell yeah
Me too

[jade compass]

same tbh, you could run past primal aspids in the overworld but you just cant with these guys

[compact elbow]

yes i am

[tulip spire]

What’s the sawtooth tech anyway

[compact elbow]

reaper

[brittle elbow]

witch

[native canyon]

wanderer is the best pogo crest I've found, you can do some stupid shit to certain bosses with wanderer

[raven gulch]

[tender viper]

which one's widow? The one with the calliope?

[grim juniper]

just got this

[hoary laurel]

fleas or grubs

[light swan]

you need to be to the side of enemies for it which works too ig

[sterile snow]

Wanderer

[raven gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/where-my-hug-at-mccrazii-mccrazi-gif-14537846502738018828

[grim juniper]

fleas

[light swan]

witch for sure, most range, 3 hits feels awesome, and as an added bonus it gives you 2x the silk and damage

[sterile snow]

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/calliope-calliope-homestuck-callie-ohpeee-homestuck-gif-22875697

[quartz shell]

fleas any day over those nasty green worms

[tulip spire]

Does it give you two silk too? The pogo only gives you one and the same damage

[vestal knot]

oh hell nah, we are so deadass…

[native canyon]

wanderer is the goat then boom dash attack...

[tulip spire]

Wanderer’s feels pretty good to me imo

[raven gulch]

Yes we are

Awoo

[native canyon]

it's like borderline unusable against bosses why does it send you back in such a weird way

[vestal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-shaw-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-13205433055363544945

[tulip spire]

Yeah it’s cool, you basically combo into a pogo and then get to swing three times before you touch the ground

[light swan]

just double jump before pogoing, itll cancel the jump while keeping your circlet hitbox, and when the pogo pulls you in youll pull the circlet hitbox with you and i THINK with some big bosses you can hit both circlet hitboxes on the enemy meaning you can deal double the circlet damage on only witch (unless you like doing precise turnarounds or you like fighting gms)

[native canyon]

it sends you flying back if you hit the enemy, then you get a chance to follow-up, but the hitboxes are jank I find myself getting hit more often than not when trying to use it

[vestal knot]

I learnt triple jump, nobody can stop me

[light swan]

pogo is normal but sprint attack gives 2 silk and 2x damage yea

[raven gulch]

Wanders builds up a charge that does 3x damage after the charge is built u build it up by attack dashing

[light swan]

it has a weird startup that im lowkey not used to cuz of the rest of the crest

[sterile snow]

Beast dash attack isnt very good but its cool as fuck

[tulip spire]

Idk I’ve never had an issue with it personally

Beast’s dash feels weird and bad but it looks cool

[sterile snow]

And crits

[old brook]

Lower range

Different charge attack

[native canyon]

truth nuke

[raven gulch]

Welp time to go get diddled again to get the witches crest🥀

[crude barn]

I don't want to redo silksong 100%, nor hk. Got suggestions ?

[light swan]

witch dash attack also sends you slightly backwards, and since the witch pogo hits more right and corrects itself to above the enemy, its a great combo starter to get above the enemy easily (and ofc you can do the sawtooth circlet pogo with the pogo too)

[sterile snow]

Wanderer at 9+ silk has a 2% chance to crit with each slash

[light swan]

whats wrong with a bit of getting impregnated + abortion

[sterile snow]

Crits dealing 3x needle dmg

[raven gulch]

Steelsoul

[native canyon]

beast pogo is such a learning curve you have to hold the direction you wanna go in then immediately hold the opposite direction for it to be usable

[crude barn]

Actually super smash brother melee

[tulip spire]

But yeah if you land the wanderer dash attack you fly backwards and immediately diagonal pogo and after that you can usually get a swing in or two before you touch the ground, three if it’s a tall guy like a grand reed or those centipede guys in Graymoor

It feels awesome I’m not sure what you guys are talking about

[native canyon]

it's weird and uncomfortable but it might be goated if pulled off correctly

[cedar patio]

did y'all know you can make groal eat red tools and do a bunch of damage

[raven gulch]

Nah I like PS3 all-star battles

[light swan]

this actually insanely nice, other crests you always dont really end up right above teh enemy with a sprint attack i think except for witch crest cuz of the anime whip-hook pogo thing

[light swan]

yea ive seen him eat pimpillos at times

[gray zodiac]

Guys I have a theory! So you know how hornet always says SHAW? And the pale king's obsession with saws? I think that they might be connected somehow to a deeper level.. am I on my way to discover something new?!

[raven gulch]

It's like smash bros but with jack cooper from infamous and big daddy brom bioshock etc

[native canyon]

never cook again

[brittle elbow]

oh i am struggling to do phantom lmao
3 deaths

[tulip spire]

It’s not good in tight spaces imo but against spaced out opponents with decent headroom you can combo it into pogos or hacking them to pieces

[native canyon]

is the silk really the requirement for it to start critting I never noticed

[raven gulch]

It's just a beefed up lace 1 fight

[hoary laurel]

time to fight seth

[sterile snow]

If the silk bar glows the crest opens up and crits start happening

[real socket]

I've got to ||grandmother silk|| but still haven't fought the hunter queen. Is that normal? also besides the ||infested witch crest|| does the crest I'm wearing affect the ending?

[native canyon]

interesting

[atomic lichen]

wait until she starts doing the ground pound

[brittle elbow]

gyat

[light swan]

do yall know if flintslate affects damage sources outside of the needle like sawtooth circlet or claw mirrors or witch heals

[tulip spire]

This doesn’t really take into account modifiers like Moorwing has effectively 300 unless you skip

[native canyon]

I did noticed the crest ui changing whenever it happens, guess I just never put 2 and 2 together

[raven gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/man-kicked-off-train-man-kicked-man-kicked-on-train-man-kicked-train-man-running-gif-1493304510486231311

[cedar patio]

it's low risk high reward fr
tossing a pimpillo in his gullet while he's schlorping must be pretty good

[light swan]

probably normal if i think i know what hunter queen is

[native canyon]

it only affects needle, just base not clawline

[light swan]

aw damn

[native canyon]

karmelita used to be hunter queen carmelita or whatever

[raven gulch]

Ngl blasted steps is faster plus u get needle strike

[hoary laurel]

seth just beat my ass

[woven nimbus]

[tulip spire]

Did splinter’s hp get severely nerfed I swear it used to be 600

[brittle elbow]

i can't tell whether phantom's gonna do the 3-hit or the needle throw... and i can't tell where phantom's gonna needle-throw and i keep jumping into it

[normal token]

Final one

[cedar patio]

who here likes long runbacks

[native canyon]

me

[dark pollen]

YIPPEEEEEE

[native canyon]

I LOVE GAY PEOPLE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[brittle elbow]

ts lace 1 with way less telegraphed attacks

[atomic lichen]

you committing hate crimes

[native canyon]

ALWAYS BET ON RESTORED VERDANIA DLC BTW LOOK AT THE GROUND AROUND HIM

[cedar patio]

huge fan of the homosexuals

[weary gorge]

I can't help it im gonna do one more thing on silksong before bed lmao

[dark pollen]

This image is literally the trobbio boss fight

[tulip spire]

Some bosses have effectively less hp (particular in act 1) due to needle 0 damage increase. Like Moorwing has 600HP but needle damage is doubled against it so it only has 300

[hoary laurel]

"one more" sure sure

[raven gulch]

Tf bro wrong chat for that u trying to start ww3 in here

[hoary laurel]

thats what we all say

[dark pollen]

??

[weary gorge]

Gotta get that second pale oil lol the run is going too strong

[native canyon]

yeah lmao, literally have it named as trobbio in my files

[raven gulch]

Someone 4 hours later gonna scroll and get offended for no reason

[dark pollen]

REAL

[celest bramble]

why do enemies and even hidden shard stashes drop so little shards? 50 rosarries you can get 80, while enemies drop like 3 and stashes drop 8-10

[dark pollen]

This meme is pretty well known wdym

[hoary laurel]

anyone got loadout recommendations for seth

[brittle elbow]

and i'm getting caught by that skid phantom does when it's a horizontal needle throw on the ground
2 contact damage

[raven gulch]

I might be paranoid mb

[dark pollen]

Lesbian here to say theres nothing wrong with the meme btw, its super funny

[cedar patio]

because the game wasn't made with enough care

[native canyon]

POOKIE!! I LOVE NON-BINARY PEOPLE!

[atomic lichen]

the game devs want people to be miserable

[dark pollen]

If you punch shard deposit walls for long enough you get infinite shards! It just takes like. 30 minutes of wallpunching!

[cedar patio]

team cherry forgot there's a difference between inconvenience and difficulty 😱

[hoary laurel]

I feel like players would have more of an incentive to use tools if you either got more shards or if they were cheaper
I dont think you should get punished in a game for repeated attempts

[tulip spire]

Uhhh depends on your crest but do not use reaper because it’s too slow to effectively hit him imo. Ummm honestly I don’t think Seth is super tough but you can’t really go wrong with a fast heal build with band/multibinder

[wary anvil]

Is this real???

[digital sable]

Shaw

[native canyon]

very important image addendum btw

[hoary laurel]

shields are overpowered

[celest bramble]

it makes no sense that enemies barely drop shards and the hidden bundle of giant stacks give you fuck all

[tawdry sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736153071218065508/1418509823724621985/IMG_8271.gif

[dark pollen]

second sentinel jumpscared me earlier when i was doing a quest dhdbkdbf
walking through a hallway and they jump in front of me and commit a murder

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silk-song-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-gif-9486712578214888028

[dark pollen]

Im constantly out of shell shards so. Yeahhhh.

[tulip spire]

Trying to remember this fight because I think I 2 tried it but you can get behind him after he attacks

[native canyon]

the more people complain about bilewater the funnier it is cause you really don't see that your frustration is the intended result

[hoary laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/1420894751120429189/image0.gif

[fiery breach]

same ong

[wary anvil]

I have yet to see this anywhere else

[dark pollen]

i mean that doesnt really make it any. better

[gentle grove]

top 3 hardest bosses of silksong Imo

Act 3 Spoilers
||lost lace||
||karmelita||
||seth||

[celest bramble]

not like they want it to be rare when 50 rossary give you EIGHTY

[dark pollen]

Making an area deliberately designed to piss people off isnt a great move i think

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-lace-laugh-villain-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-15852753054655955151

[dark pollen]

Things can be really hard while still being fun

[celest bramble]

is that why they make 3-4 of them?

[vivid cave]

i love second sentinel

[hoary laurel]

bilewater grew on me

[fiery breach]

laughs in soulsborne

[native canyon]

I think games should be allowed to do this

[dark pollen]

I feel like its more like. 2

[cedar patio]

Yes.
people who spew skill issue or git gud are a fundamental problem and need to git gud at touching grass

[untold dune]

chat im gonna be attempting a low% save wish me luck

[native canyon]

bilewater is fun in its own way

[brittle elbow]

i didn't deserve that lmao i died like 8 times and then triggered a black flash crit

[cedar patio]

imo

[dark pollen]

This as well. Its really annoying when someone here asks for advice and all they get in response is "skill issue" and "git gud"

[wind compass]

i mean in some cases it is just a matter of getting better

[celest bramble]

theres at least 2 maggot areas, sands, and some exclusively platforming sections and all the run backs requires more platforming

[native canyon]

games should be allowed to more than just fun

[quiet oxide]

They did silksong dirty😭

[lyric ledge]

Learn grass attack patterns

[dark pollen]

Forgot about sands, you right

[native canyon]

those people suck they need to learn how to give actual advice

[warm violet]

it keeps cutting me whats the cheese strat

[lyric ledge]

Lawnmower tool

[warm violet]

thx

[vale tide]

Is lvl 2 druids eye worth the work?

[celest bramble]

Competence Problem
Proficiency Concern
Talent Deficit
Expertise Shortfall
Capability Deficiency
Mastery Flaw
Aptitude Inadequacy

[dark pollen]

I try to give genuine advice here where i can, but someone here once told me im being stupid for not making fun of someone struggling with an "easy" boss so

[tulip spire]

Disagree it’s kinda supposed to be an oppressive and hostile place where you are not wanted so it being kind of like you’re fighting literally every aspect of the region (traversal, the toxic environment, the wildlife, the people that live there who want you to fuck off and their traps) I think does a great job conveying the narrative of Bilewater’s story and the feelings of the NPCs that live there. I think it’s actually a really well designed area. The only tweak I’d make would maybe be reducing the gauntlet in front of Groal by like one wave (maybe get rid of the four mosquitoes).

[native canyon]

my opinions seem to be pretty against the tide considering I think bilewater is near perfect and groal is a fun fight but I won't fault someone for hating it, I'd only get mad if they call it bad game design or whatever

[tawdry sierra]

ill try hitless karmelita

[hoary laurel]

what the fuck is seth doing
people who say predicting the diagonal down dash for hunter havent experienced seth throwing his shield at you 26mph
how the fuck

[cedar patio]

Some.
to think that silksong doesn't have multiple game design issues is to put on some rose colored glasses fr

[olive jungle]

Hey kinda off topic but does anyone happen to have a decent pic showing hornet's needle size vs the knight?

[wind compass]

I try this most of the time, but once I had a guy ask for help on the platforming part of sinner's road's bench
its just platforming, what else could I say other than "try to get better at pogos"

[gloomy fjord]

But sometimes its truly a git gud moment

[zealous thicket]

1 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
2 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
3 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
4 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
5 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
6 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
7 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
8 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
9 - Architect: cogfly, Flint, saw blades or tacks
10 - wanderer: whatever for nail damage

[native canyon]

exhaust organ made it a near unlivable waste, and filled the stilkins with hatred for the entire citadel. groal literally planned to commit genocide with the stolen soul

[brittle elbow]

kinda wanna try out that league fighting game
2xko or smth? garbage name. every move is cancellable. projectiles are cancellable, it's literally free chaos roman cancels.

[dark pollen]

Idk if "bad game design" is what i'd say, but the area is definitely really irritating and unfun to play through
The fact i have a phobia of maggots certainly doesnt help, though

[celest bramble]

they can just put one bench in each area and call it a day, thats just bad design, being hard for the sake of being hard is not the way to go

[native canyon]

okay that's fair lol

[wind compass]

true

[hoary laurel]

I think you have an idea for me

[light swan]

omg my baby best friend

[brittle elbow]

my first time getting to act 2 through phantom

[tulip spire]

It’s not hard for the sake of being hard it’s hard because the people that live there actively want the player character to go away

[native canyon]

oof I feel ya, I have arachnophobia so deepnest in hollow knight is torturous every time

[warm violet]

i think they chose lore over gameplay in some places

[strong tendon]

[native canyon]

bad design is my least favorite buzzword when it comes to game discussion

[brittle elbow]

im ngl ts cutthroat, i miss my (threefold) pins and pollip pouch

[celest bramble]

so why so many benches then? just put one bench every area, so you need a 15 min challenge run on every progress

[tawdry sierra]

why do u lose all silk when u fail to heal

[warm violet]

i haven't looked yet but id bet theres a mod to replace their skins

[tulip spire]

It’s not even 15 minutes between the two benches dude

[dark pollen]

because there is no joy in the world

[dark pollen]

Probably

[native canyon]

I think it's like a lore thing with how the bind works? it's weird

[celest bramble]

i thought you want hard, just remove the benches so every thing takes 15 min

[cedar patio]

difficulty is cool but silksong does away with that for the sake of telling a story through the subpar medium of gameplay when another medium would suffice and be much better for people who actually enjoy the storyline more

[zealous thicket]

Cause, where do you expect the silk, which was dragged out, to go? Back inside by force or to just lay on the ground ✌

[atomic lichen]

you lose the silk even if you use the warding belle 😭

[violet vector]

I alone am The Bug Fossil

[brittle elbow]

pale horce

[native canyon]

what are you trying to say here

[warm violet]

it's to make you get good attiming. i dont think ive been hit while binding since act 1

[compact elbow]

GET FUCKED FIRST TRY BITCH

[cedar patio]

I didn't think about the lore when i went through some of the hard zones I thought:
hey, why is this so shitty?

[celest bramble]

9 sols is hard, it doesnt require you to do the platforming you already did everytime you want to retry a boss

[normal token]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-gruncle-stan-stanley-pines-rainbow-eyes-are-burning-gif-7130837635791690095

[ancient imp]

it's not that hard to upgrade it actually, you find most of the berries in moss grotto, one is in weavenest atla and memorium. but yeah, as for the lost lace fight, druids eye may let you face tank and spam wanderer's crest, by the time you're almost dead, you'll have enough silk to get back to full health or almost

[dark pollen]

.....is that silk meter normal

[warm violet]

HK and SS are platforming games tho

[vale tide]

ok

[native canyon]

me during pride month

[warm violet]

weavenest avatar the last airbender

[compact elbow]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dark pollen]

Anyways bilewater could certainly be worse, my main issue with things is when i die/lose and it doesnt feel like it was entirely my fault (radiant oblobbles and flea dodge both got me more frustrated than anything else in their respective games)

[brittle elbow]

wait why does the phantom path make way more sense

[warm violet]

yeah u just need to lock in

[tulip spire]

I’m not gonna engage with you if you’re just gonna present bad faith arguments that I want the area to be some kind of “I wanna be the guy” type shit. The area is supposed to feel bad to be in and for that to work there has to be some friction, a feeling that every single aspect of this place is asking you to turn around. If there was a nice cozy place to rest every couple of rooms the entire vibe would be different and less oppressive.

[compact elbow]

THIS FIGHT WAS SO EPIC BRO MAGNETITE DICE CLUTCHED ME SO BADLY 2 TIMES IN A ROW

[strong tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[compact elbow]

i do know theres a third act

[celest bramble]

because its not one area and one run back?

[hoary laurel]

we are so back

[native canyon]

my main issue with bilewater is the one flea I always forget to pick up it pisses me off every time

[dark pollen]

I just personally think making an area unfun on purpose is. not fun?

[crude barn]

World map is huge, yet feels so small. Because im bad and did too many beelining to do the 100%

[normal token]

Be careful about flint + pollip, I'm p sure it doesn't give the same increase of damage

[zealous thicket]

That's because its difficulty isn't also based on runbacks

[native canyon]

also the slubberlug room, I hate the slubberlugs

[tulip spire]

The Groal runback isn’t even that bad it’s like literally one room

[zealous thicket]

It's beautiful

[celest bramble]

runbakc should not be part of the "challenge" when you already did your platforming to get there

[dark pollen]

A room with some really annoying platforming and 2 waves of enemies before it

[tulip spire]

That room sucks

[native canyon]

I understand this position, but I think if gaming wants to seriously be considered an art form this is necessary

[leaden steppe]

Dude these hollow knight chatbots are so fun to talk

[hoary laurel]

I personally think it depends on why you play games
if you wanna play games for torture then yeah its fun
if youre a casual player then yeah I get it

[tulip spire]

Maybe I’m just built different but I found the platforming to be a non issue

[ancient imp]

groal runback actually isn't bad at all, nor is the gauntlet

[cedar patio]

then it's bad art

[strong tendon]

I just got a friend request from a bot lmfao

[brittle elbow]

beast invalidates a lot of platforming problems

[zealous thicket]

Why shouldn't it? A mistake should get punished, silk song does it by forcing you do have insane runbacks, 9 souls does it by simply being "hard"

[native canyon]

why do people consider the groal arena part of the runback groal himself is not hard enough to be considered standalone

[celest bramble]

learning bosses is fun, repeating the platforming you already did 10 times i not

[compact elbow]

for architect i use cogfly, voltvessels, the trap shit, pollip, multibinder and injector band, compass the goat, silkspeed anklets and dice

[crude barn]

Hated the game difficulty but once it's done it doesn't feel that hard anymore

[native canyon]

there's more to a game then just having fun

[dark pollen]

I think it depends on the person
I personally hate bilewater, find the groal runback incredibly frustrating, and dont like the boss fight

[compact elbow]

its a good loadout

[zealous thicket]

We are twins at everything except the trap, goated ✌

[celest bramble]

learning the boss yes, repeating the exact same platforming 10 15 times is not

[leaden steppe]

How team cherry felt cutting off coral forest but and address areas no likes(bilewater)

[tulip spire]

The purpose of art isn’t always to induce pleasure

[light swan]

i feel its valid to use, if only people were actually aware of whats good and bad design

[dark pollen]

Thats. the primary purpose of a video game though

[atomic lichen]

game is still telling me to fight last judge and I don't want to

[native canyon]

a story is being told not just through lore tablets but the actual gameplay as well, bilewater is a disgusting and oppressive place that you aren't meant to enjoy being in

[hoary laurel]

(honestly I just used voltvessels in putrified ducts to get a 2 second runback)

[leaden steppe]

My is almost same and btw how you get that purple thing

[light swan]

so many people equate difficulty to a lack of balance which is just wrong

[silver nacelle]

Silk speed anklets on a crest that's already hungry for silk feels like a bad idea.

[compact elbow]

memorium

[crude barn]

Better doing them in one go because there is much way worst

[leaden steppe]

No the other one

[compact elbow]

i mean its cool

[crude barn]

T_T

[leaden steppe]

The boss is easy bruh

[silver nacelle]

Okeh.

[native canyon]

I think it's just so severely limiting to think like that, it really holds back video games as an art form

[compact elbow]

the pollip puch?

[cedar patio]

I'm going to go to an active warzone rn for the vibe and experience

[leaden steppe]

Yup

[atomic lichen]

i ot to act 2 fighting phantom. I'm nt fighting that impossible judge boss

[tulip spire]

I can see getting frustrated with Groal if you’re dying like 20 times to him though

[compact elbow]

shellwood wish

[native canyon]

undertale genocide is one of my favorite pieces of fiction period and it's not necessarily fun

[leaden steppe]

Dude that fight is so peak

[teal zodiac]

||crawbell ||

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/grimmchild-my-beloved-grimmchild-hollow-knight-gif-26340112

[compact elbow]

phantom is so peak

[teal zodiac]

holy shid its da michael wave

[light swan]

there are a lot of better ways to criticize places like bilewater, like the stilkins which have very little counterplay making them feel unfair, but when the devs do something that is BALANCED and fits their intentions then that is good game design. you might disagree with the intentions but that doesnt make it bad game design, please stop using this phase 😭

[tulip spire]

It’s designed to be insanely boring for long stretches followed by incredibly unfair difficulty spikes it’s great ludonarrative design

[leaden steppe]

Bosses especially act 1 arent really that difficult if you know how to play the game well and use the damn tools

[celest bramble]

why is phantom so much weaker then judge when they are both supposed to be the act 2 guard

[zealous thicket]

If you manage to die 20 times to one thing then you have one out of the following:
1 - severe skill issues
2 - hardware issues
3 - you are way too weak for the boss
4 - you are trying to brute force it a little too hard

[crude barn]

Actually marylin monroe (first sinner) is peak 🤓

[brittle elbow]

i was taking +1 damage and can't heal lol i hate that needle throw

[atomic lichen]

too me two days but I'd rather fight her again than the last judge

[zealous thicket]

I doubt any1 lost that badly to groal

[compact elbow]

phantom is peak too

[light swan]

first time ive seen ludonarrative in text

[dark pollen]

Anyways my opinion of bilewater is skewed due to my personal discomforts and such with maggots, i have small issues with other areas of the game though

[leaden steppe]

Judge>phantom

[zealous thicket]

He's annoying, yeah, but more than 5 is already a bit over stepped

[native canyon]

the one thing I'd change about stilkins is make it so if you hit one that one is guaranteed to come back up next

[tulip spire]

There are some bosses like Karmelita where 20 deaths is acceptable

[cedar patio]

my issue with silksong is it's not very progression respectful(and by extension, time respectful)
you try to learn a new enemy or area you get punished for it if you fuck up and especially in some places that means being set back quite far.

[crude barn]

Twin peaks

[teal zodiac]

one of my friends died to lace 2

[hoary laurel]

have you ever played silksong with your life on the line
while having a bunch of mossberries in your mouth
we call this dark pharloom psychology

[brittle elbow]

time to beat up the robot gays

[celest bramble]

again, its not one area, not one run back, theres way too many of them in the game

[tulip spire]

That’s fair

[atomic lichen]

lace: beware the higher beings!
hornet: btch please, my dad was a higher being.

[compact elbow]

TWO DAYS ON PHANTOM???? crazy work.
but both fights are worth it, try last judge its kinda easier than phantom imo

[compact elbow]

wreath of purity

[leaden steppe]

Chat am i cooked

[native canyon]

it's so weird seeing a stilkin coming up then killing it in one hit because I already did damage to it like a minute ago

[light swan]

i dont like how they can aim and how there are two of them and how they can stall their aim and choose when they want to go back down while dodging you 😔 probably a me thing tho

[teal zodiac]

lace two was hilariously easy i first tried her

[crude barn]

Most boring fight is gurr the outcast

[zealous thicket]

I wouldn't really call karm hard enough for 20, she was the only boss I died to(thankfully dream deaths are goated), but I wouldn't say more than like 15 is considerable

[leaden steppe]

Yup skill issue

[dark pollen]

Its not the silk drain, its the fact theres. maggots everywhere and in the water

[native canyon]

yeah that's weird, but I feel it'd be fixed if my suggestion were implemented lol

[atomic lichen]

i kept getting distracted by how cute she was

[compact elbow]

wreath of purity

[dark pollen]

Palestag

[hoary laurel]

guess who cant use architect till I farm more shards
I ran out of fucking shards

[brittle elbow]

ohhhhhhh okay i get why phantom is harder, i just realized i've completely skipped underworks to get to the robot gays

[light swan]

i wish you couild do something to knock them out of the air and like stagger them and deal damage before they can get up and jump back down into the water personally

[native canyon]

list examples don't just vaguely allude to it

[compact elbow]

i mean yeah her voice is cute, she sounds like a chicken LOL

[dark pollen]

That. Doesnt fix the problem of there being maggots in the water

[leaden steppe]

If you hate the last judge its a skill issue

[tulip spire]

Honestly apart from missing benches in bilewater or hunter’s march and verdania’s entire gimmick I can’t super think of anything where the runback is like horribly putrid. I guess the first Mt Fay bench is maybe a little far away. Most runbacks in the game are like two rooms

[light swan]

probs yea lol

[brittle elbow]

dammit i died to the robot gays

[compact elbow]

wreath of purity

[brittle elbow]

got distracted lmao

[native canyon]

I try to bum rush them to inconsistent results

[leaden steppe]

It was fun tho even the run back

[crude barn]

True, elden ring ancestral thingu rip off boss

[split cape]

I thought phantom was the crackhead version of hornet

[zealous thicket]

Damn 💔

[celest bramble]

I already gave examples you just didnt read them, firstly theres 2 maggot areas, multiple long platforming areas, also sands?

[atomic lichen]

this is a cutie. an adorable little cutie I want to hug

[leaden steppe]

Guys what is better dark souls 1 or silksong/hollow knight

[light swan]

i agree bilewater is a good area

[dark pollen]

Wreath of purity doesnt remove the visuals of there being maggot infested water

[teal zodiac]

theres only one boss deserving of hate, lace two, make her harder

[compact elbow]

wreath of purity

[violet vector]

How simple The times were and how small in number we was. #hk-discussion message

[teal zodiac]

ds1 is great, but it loses man

[leaden steppe]

Not really the difficulty is perfect

[atomic lichen]

i hate lace in general

[compact elbow]

i want her as my friend, sad we dont even get to talk to her

[crude barn]

Is mayonaise or screwdriver better

[native canyon]

there's 3 maggot areas but it's really only prevalent in 1, what long platforming are you talking about, and sands of karak is good

[celest bramble]

the fight is great, the runback is garbage

[leaden steppe]

😭✌️

[teal zodiac]

nah i first tried it on accidrnt

[zealous thicket]

The game isn't here to be respectful, it is here to give you the middle finger every mistake you do, that's its challenge

[compact elbow]

FOR REAL I DID HER IN 2 TRIES BLIND

[crude barn]

Me 2

[dark pollen]

We're comparing apples to carrots here, theyre very different games

[native canyon]

runback is fine, you just need to avoid the enemies

[compact elbow]

BUFF HER LIKE DUDE SHES TOO WEAK

[tulip spire]

Tbf the first shaft in bilewater is kind of a doozy it’s like four annoying clawline jumps

[teal zodiac]

i think its just copy paste lace 1

[native canyon]

in fact the only enemy in the way is the first driznit, so just kill it

[compact elbow]

runback is fun imo, i like the platforming

[leaden steppe]

Not really blud they have same lot of similarities ✌️

[timber geyser]

|| OHH MY GOD I UNDERESTIMATED DOING WITCH CREST ENDING SO BQD THAT WAS A FUCKING TRIBULATION BUT I DID IT ||

[zealous thicket]

Ss and hk are just overall better crafted games

[atomic lichen]

i like how she holds her little mask

[compact elbow]

copy paste lace 1 but shes faster

[brittle elbow]

2 deaths now
ok the game does be harder when you can't heal

[dark pollen]

Greyroot actually scares the hell out of me im ngl

[native canyon]

the first room with the bloatroaches?

[celest bramble]

or cut down the neednessly long run back and let people learn the boss instead of "how do I make the fight as short as possible instead"

[leaden steppe]

Agreed almost is every aspects even bosses

[compact elbow]

lol, is like someone holding up their glasses

[hoary laurel]

what the fuck
seth dissapeared

[timber geyser]

i thought phantom was they/them?

[brittle elbow]

sad she dead

[native canyon]

it's 1 room

[dark pollen]

I think so

[zealous thicket]

Teleported in a wall, ggs

[dire marten]

Hey guys I just had an idea, what if we got crests and/or silkskills for beating the elegy of the deep bosses! Based on their movesets

I got the idea from when karmelita says

‘Please, take my power, Pail one…’

What do u think?

[atomic lichen]

lace calls phantom "sister" in a memory

[tulip spire]

Yeah I don’t like that room much I always get duped into going into the alcove with the dead guy and getting goobed

[hoary laurel]

that happens???

[native canyon]

it's 1 room that's not even that long

[crude barn]

Hornet mixing her dna with half of pharloom

[tawdry sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220410241456279552/1325250764439945247/copy_84877E2E-E21A-463A-AA2D-A728D047E8FE.gif

[zealous thicket]

Sometimes

[native canyon]

not sufficient evidence, it's not clear who's talking in that memory

[hoary laurel]

so what do I do now

[teal zodiac]

or differently, new weapons

[tulip spire]

Oh I know it is just what I’d consider a longer platforming segment in there

[brittle elbow]

h u h

[split cape]

the fact that phantom has their mask nearby means that they dont want hornet to see their ugly ass face (if she even has a face)

[compact elbow]

yes cuz || grandma silk|| created both of them, phantom is like 50% silk, while lace is fully made of silk

[atomic lichen]

she's not ugly!

[native canyon]

talking about last judge runback

[leaden steppe]

Silksong lacks complex characters with endings its the only flaw for me

Like no character like quirelle or zote
I miss stag guy bell baby is only cute:(

[timber geyser]

the face i made immediately after asking that question because im so used to correcting kris deltarune's pronouns and getting jumped was crazy

[celest bramble]

it is just a waste of time to repeat the exact same platforming for 10 15 times, as simple as that, you already done it, the challenge should be the boss not repeating the same thing you already did 10 times

[tulip spire]

Oh yeah. That run back used to be way, way, way worse

[dire marten]

Yeah I was thinking that too but I was thinking it might derive a too far from hornets character

[compact elbow]

shes not ugly

[zealous thicket]

Restart it

[compact elbow]

shes pretty

[zealous thicket]

It happened to me too but cog flies managed to hit him till he died

[dark pollen]

Kris deltarune pronoun discourse is so annoying, theyre a Them

[native canyon]

you talking about the 3rd driznit they removed?

[teal zodiac]

true, anyways the closest crest to hk hornet is shaman

[compact elbow]

a cute little skinny bug that has a cute voice

[zealous thicket]

But if that doesn't happen, just restart it

[tulip spire]

Yeah fuck that little asshole

[brittle elbow]

phantom a baddie fr
with a cute voice

[split cape]

Phantom face reveal when

[severe fox]

I really dislike bosses with minions that close in on me in a tight space, I don't know how many there are but I just hope I can endure.

[dire marten]

Yeah

[leaden steppe]

Dude you obviously will feel difficult its your first time

Remember how it felt playing hk for first time

You were scared of massive moss charger✌️

[native canyon]

runbacks have been a staple of the genre since super metroid, and last judge is not even that bad it's 1 fucking room you can get through in like 30 seconds

[dark pollen]

Anyways groal didnt piss me off nearly as much as flea dodge so

[celest bramble]

i had the exact same complaint with HK, theres no reason the run backs should be that long

[native canyon]

glad he's gone

[tulip spire]

Yeah idk after doing the lj runback a few times I don’t even really mentally think about it

[nocturne summit]

I love her voice

[dire marten]

It’s like 29 or three

[timber geyser]

i have ptsd from correcting the knight + the hollow knight + kris deltarune pronouns ngl

[teal zodiac]

primal aspid

[dusty spade]

The challenge is you adapting to the game environment so that you stop bitching about it being difficult

[celest bramble]

still 30 sec wasted for no reason

[dark pollen]

Mood

[normal token]

The Knight solod

[tulip spire]

HK’s runbacks were FOUL

[split cape]

Get flattened idiot

[compact elbow]

i want a phantom re fight

[dark pollen]

GAH

[atomic lichen]

both phantom and lace are made out of silk. but lace was the favorite so phantom was rejected and forced to waste away in place where her body would wear out and fade away

[native canyon]

do you even like metroidvanias

[brittle elbow]

one gay clanker down

[leaden steppe]

THE HOLLOW KNIGHT THE PRESERVER

HORNET THE PROTECTOR

THE KNIGHT THE VESSEL THE KILLER OF GODS

[compact elbow]

i wanna battle phantom again since its a peak boss

[dire marten]

Why lace kinda bad tho

[native canyon]

runbacks are bound to be in metroidvanias why are you complaining about a relatively tame runback

[brittle elbow]

liking my odds here

[inland arch]

You guys enjoying act 3? Cuz I am

[dark pollen]

Harder phantom refight perhaps

[celest bramble]

yes, likeing a game doesnt mean they have no flaws

[zealous thicket]

The bosses in silk song are not THAT hard, the actual dangers are the things that come packed with it, a platforming section to get you tilted => making you worse at the game and possibly losing a few masks.
The environment/enemies along the way, to do basically the same thing, but more maxxed out on losing your masks.

[leaden steppe]

I didn't say it doesn't have flaws

[atomic lichen]

maybe they will create a boss rush

[brittle elbow]

oh that's sad. he was so much slower.

[normal token]

The soul master runback changed me

[dusty spade]

Peak boss
Why are you not playing on windowless

[gentle grove]

NEED NOW

[dark pollen]

SAME

[tulip spire]

There is like maybe one runback in the entirety of Silksong that is as bad as Hive Knight

[sturdy blaze]

It was easy

[compact elbow]

shes gone now:(

[native canyon]

silksong has flaws but last judge runback is not one of them

[leaden steppe]

Exactly the bosses have more structure and time to heal than hk its only the god damn
Thing they spawn

[gentle grove]

ive always played fullscreen

[teal zodiac]

why shes hot

[native canyon]

hive knight runback fucking sucks fuck that idiot

[dark pollen]

Hive knight runback sure was something!

[atomic lichen]

there's always fanfiction

[zealous thicket]

Atp just put some subway surfers on the side

[celest bramble]

long runbacks in general is, the boss is the fun part and the challenging part, repeated platforming to get there is simply a waste of time

[dark pollen]

The fact the hive has one goddamn bench is absurd to me still

[brittle elbow]

i have youtube playing on my phone lmao

[teal zodiac]

i think i first tried hive knight too cuz i dont remember the run back

[tulip spire]

The runback isn’t long though it’s like 25 seconds to lj

[native canyon]

there's strength in repetition

[zealous thicket]

😭

[leaden steppe]

I hate gay people

[cedar patio]

yea that's the issue. more fuck you for making a mistake instead of good job for learning

[native canyon]

it can let you cool off after a bad loss

[dire marten]

Yk how phantom is kinda voidy????

THIS IS A CONCEPT

Maybe in act 3 she’s reborn and before true ending fight with [redacted] you fight a buffed version that upgrades your parry

[compact elbow]

nah

[leaden steppe]

Shes a baddie definitely latina

[celest bramble]

you are literally punished for wanting to learn a boss, you are better off to burst it down before it can do much

[dark pollen]

Yeah i think thats a fair criticism

[near stag]

Am I the only one who thought that ||Hornet was going to adopt Lace post SotV?||

[leaden steppe]

What is bro yapping about🥀

[sturdy blaze]

Sounds like you suck ass at hollow knight

[native canyon]

I didn't find silksong to be that punishing

[sleek sparrow]

I am trying to 100% silksong in steel soul mode under 40 min DO I NEED TO DO the cursed ending for 100%?

[zealous thicket]

A mistake doesn't mean you are learning something, it can simply be a miss calculation, like a jump done too early or too late, you don't really learn anything out of it, and if you are going to get rewarded for doing bad things, then the game would not even be that hard, so where is the fun in that?

[tulip spire]

I didn’t like the runback when you had the double damage worms and the asshole flies everywhere but those have been removed so it’s a very smooth transition back into the fight. Prior to that I was like “this is a bit much”.

[atomic lichen]

phantom pounds your face into the ground

[near stag]

I don't think so.

[sleek sparrow]

I am trying to 100% silksong in steel soul mode under 40 min DO I NEED TO DO the cursed ending for 100%?

[cedar patio]

hey I'm a gay person what'd I do

[normal token]

No

[mossy heath]

there’s a lot of step on me jokes I can make rn but I can’t figure it out

[split cape]

Sounds like something a beast user would say

[native canyon]

last judge making sure you go through the second circle of hell before reaching her

[dark pollen]

The thing is. I dont get mad when i make a mistake and get punished for it, i get mad when i die and it genuinely doesnt feel like i couldve done anything to prevent it, of which theres only about 1 or 2 moments in the game

[teal zodiac]

[weary gorge]

Okay that was a lie but I JUST DID HHG FIRST TRY BAYBEEEEE

[atomic lichen]

lace didn't have that ground pound move. what has phantom been eatig?

[celest bramble]

you are rewarded to just spam tolls and kill them boss before it can even do anything threatening, you are punished for wanting to actually learn how to dodge, the only thing you get is more platforming

[leaden steppe]

They do two damage🤓

Dawg you can heal three hearts way faster than first game just learn the pattern

[weary gorge]

I even missed the cogflies on the way there so I was stressing tough lmao

[native canyon]

flea dodge and what else

[tulip spire]

I do think LJ does rock your shit kind of fast though so I can get why that’s annoying. The first three attempts you basically don’t get to learn much

[hoary laurel]

this kid is pissing me off

[compact elbow]

she throws hands

[near stag]

TLJ runback is one of the easier runbacks imo, just have to jump good

[south junco]

wheres garmond

[teal zodiac]

why hate flea dodge

[leaden steppe]

You are my biggest enemy

[native canyon]

losing to a boss a bunch is how you learn

[normal token]

This is the fun part

[atomic lichen]

phantom kills you with that move then stands here holding her mask looking smug

[dark pollen]

Flea dodge and
...............nevermind yeah just flea dodge

[native canyon]

I'm too sans undertale pilled I don't mind losing a bunch

[hoary laurel]

no
shut up
hes teleported into the wall twice now

[celest bramble]

yes, and I learn nothing by doing the same platforming 10 more times

[dark pollen]

Flea dodge is bull and i hate it

[gleaming idol]

ask zaza

[compact elbow]

this is the neat part, he isn't there!

[mossy heath]

creige and scrounge my favorite characters do anything happen to them :)

[dark pollen]

Not that im aware of

[gleaming idol]

skill issue

(pro tip: do not double jump unless you get hit)

[leaden steppe]

I swear bro grandmother silk is the baddest 🥀

[mossy heath]

:D

[gleaming idol]

her limbs are made of scissor blades

[atomic lichen]

girl why are you so extra?

[dark pollen]

Oh its fine, i got it now
(im not doing the seth score, i cannot)

[leaden steppe]

Even better

[mossy heath]

wont stop me

[compact elbow]

where do you get pale nails?

[dark pollen]

Still this made me so irrationally angry 😭

[strong tendon]

peak

[faint berry]

is the whole map unlocked

[leaden steppe]

My boy

[cedar patio]

genuine criticism of a game:
35 people on discord: skill issue

[gleaming idol]

you need super jump

[near stag]

I KNOW She into bondage

[tulip spire]

Can you stop being a prick I’m defending the runback. When the hazards did double damage it made the runback less likely to be successful because there were few safe sources of silk in that room and you could lose 3/5 of your health from getting nailed by a fly. The hazards only do 1 and there’s less interference when you’re trying to platform back so the runback is no longer a pain in the ass.

[compact elbow]

BILEWATEEEER

[zealous thicket]

The only way you would end up at such a dead end is by you doing a small mistake which starts snowballing

[normal token]

2 areas remain

[native canyon]

this is going nowhere I can tell you fundamentally hate any runback that's more than a 5 second walk

[brittle elbow]

cogwork core music >

[gleaming idol]

no. go to greymoor's far right

[dark pollen]

Or when theres weirdly unfair rng (flea dodge)

[faint berry]

do they have maps? where are they?

[zealous thicket]

Flea games are hell ✌

[leaden steppe]

I aint defending the runback dawg

[compact elbow]

oh ok

[tulip spire]

I have 100%ed the game I know the heal is good you dweeb

[cedar patio]

the only thing that kept me from crying. idk why that zone beat my ass so bad

[normal token]

Are you in act 3?

[gleaming idol]

no wait, this is complete for act 2.

[faint berry]

no trying to get there

[gleaming idol]

in act 3

[compact elbow]

what runback

[native canyon]

that first driznit is still a math genius though sometimes I see a conch fly right past me when I run through that room

[zealous thicket]

We don't talk about the flea games, but overall it is mainly just mistake snow balling, every rng can be countered one way or another, every boss can be dodged, parried, and the idea keeps going

[weary gorge]

I have 1h37m until 5h is up. I got the hhg melody, I need the whispering vault melody and the one at the top of cogwork. I have to kill Trobbio on my way. What else is there after that?

[dark pollen]

Flea bounce is the only one that was fine for me and it just HAD to be run by KRATT of all characters

[normal token]

Ok for act 2 that's all of em

[atomic lichen]

she's so dramatic

[celest bramble]

yes because they are literally a waste of time only purpose is to punish people who want to learn the boss since people who dont care to learn the boss end up skipping phases by bursting down the boss anyway

[gleaming idol]

not much. just the two final bosses once you get threefold

[hoary laurel]

hes got a soul master phase 2
why am I even fucking surprised

[native canyon]

okay

[cedar patio]

she's like gabriel from ultrakill

[zealous thicket]

Would have lowkey preferred hornet just killed him or left him paralized atp

[hoary laurel]

what the fuck is wrong with this boss

[dark pollen]

REAL!! SO TRUE!!!

[gleaming idol]

did you just misgender them

[cedar patio]

big gay thematic baby

[tulip spire]

LJ. I was saying pre sandcarver nerf and removal of the second driznit I thought the runback was a bit much and some asshole got in my face trying to boo me for harping on double damage

[weary gorge]

Honestly bro this is so annoying to hear about every day. The runbacks are often lowkey fun and youre rewarded for getting good asf at them. Thats the game

[atomic lichen]

when she lands on your face

[mossy heath]

I think I’ve died more to the cogwork dancers than I have to savage beast fly 😔

[native canyon]

flea juggle's pretty fun

[dark pollen]

Not for me

[zealous thicket]

I mean it does make sense, he has insane feats

[gleaming idol]

nonbinary icon

[zealous thicket]

💔

[native canyon]

erm you mean third driznit 🤓

[faint berry]

omg finally something i haden.t done maybe i can unlcok act3 adter this

[atomic lichen]

sh's genderless. she cna be anything you want her to be.

[weary gorge]

Dude sick. So I have almost 1h40m to kill trobbio, lace 2 and gms I think. I feel like this is it. Its gonna be close tho

[zealous thicket]

At least simp for karm

[dark pollen]

Anyways last judge runback kinda became fun for me at some point
I like pogoing off the bells

[hoary laurel]

lowk this is not fucking fun
shield + boss ≠ fun

[native canyon]

it's the type of game where you just have to repeatedly do it until you get good at it

[tulip spire]

The second mercifully was skippable

[zealous thicket]

Markoth ptsd

[gleaming idol]

i don't know their gender, but i know for sure they dont use she/her pronouns

[cedar patio]

game developers when they want to make a non binary character and instead of making them a human being they make them into an alien shape shifting amorphous creature

[analog forge]

genderless or unidentified gender?

[atomic lichen]

did you ask her?

[native canyon]

no way we've got people saying phantom is up to interpetation

[mossy heath]

everyone talking about the worst run backs, but who has the best runback

[dark pollen]

Welcome to hollow knight

[weary gorge]

Last judge is one of the most fun parts of the game tbh. I get excited every time I get to that part of the run

[ocean prairie]

First sinner or lost lace

[hoary laurel]

its literally a moss knight on fent
what the fuck

[gleaming idol]

i assume hornet did, since she doesnt use she/her pronouns to refer to them. ever

[tulip spire]

First Sinner literally puts you at the door of her room so it’s her

[atomic lichen]

wiki says genderless

[zealous thicket]

Seth is him 🔥

[analog forge]

You mean characters are bugs in a game where everyone is a bug?

[native canyon]

this is why toby fox is a step above he's got the weird little non-binary creatures being the only human beings in the game

[analog forge]

does she ever use pronouns to refer to them?

[mossy heath]

Seth js built different

[weary gorge]

Should I redo the game on steel soul after the 5h mark? Im thinking theres no point in continuing after I hit the 5h point

[tulip spire]

She says “they”

[dark pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-gif-16460297311440103282

[fading barn]

all bosses in act 2 done🔥

[flint rover]

Your tools don't recharge tho, so you have to run to the bench and back anyway if you used some

[gleaming idol]

yes, in the hunter's journal

[cedar patio]

lolol fr

[tulip spire]

Who uses tools against first sinner

[pulsar pond]

She doesn't need tools 🗣️🔥

[tulip spire]

Why would I want that fight to end faster

[atomic lichen]

genderless isn't nonbinary

[mossy heath]

you have the same exact tools, skill, and crest as me 😭

[native canyon]

love seeing people use he/him on the vessels (just kidding I fucking hate seeing it everywhere)

[gleaming idol]

me

[normal token]

"Hornet's brother"

[weary gorge]

Are you going for true 100% or just a regular run?

[hushed hollow]

including secret ones?

[native canyon]

<@&283547423706447872>

[analog forge]

they in this context could refer to the group of chefs, but yeah, seems nb might be the intention

[gleaming idol]

lmao just because you dont understand it doesnt mean nobody does

[dark pollen]

Bro i literally saw someone say "yeah ik canonically the knight is they/them but i think it makes more sense for them to be he/they" AND LIKE??????? Huh?????

[hoary laurel]

so im just not real

[fading barn]

this will take ages when i try it

[cedar patio]

do you want me to educate you or do you want me to get the mods. pick one

[spiral pasture]

bye stupid ass 💔

[weary gorge]

I heard it helps if you cry about it harder

[analog forge]

Gender is a nonsense concept in general, invented to divide a singular species

[dark pollen]

Damn bro what am i then

[compact elbow]

its fun

[native canyon]

we don't exist...

[atomic lichen]

why are youso offended that I called a fictional bug you kill a she?

[dark pollen]

MICROWAVE NO!! WE'RE FADING AWAY!!!

[violet vector]

man i feel like The server is like Hallownest and they Built it atop The Ancient Civilization.💀 #off-topic message I Alone am The Bug fossil.

[gloomy fjord]

Imagine needing red tools for first sinner

[hushed hollow]

guys can u tell me how to re-enter the cauldron in the underworks in act 3 cuz i forgot to get the craft metal and i cant find a way back in

[hoary laurel]

half of me is fucking gone

[native canyon]

just like the knight at the end of hollow knight...

[mossy heath]

what did that person say 🤑

[analog forge]

the uh, fast travel?

[naive loom]

HOW ON GODS GREEN EARTH DO I GET HERE I TRIED THE OTHER PATH BUT IT ISNTTT

[dark pollen]

[tulip spire]

It’s fine now, before I was like “man if I time this cycle wrong I’m in the geometry torture zone for 30 seconds”

[gleaming idol]

unfortunately you have to take the long way around. enter the same way you entered the first time

[zealous thicket]

I sentence you all to life in bile water, and radiant groal

[hushed hollow]

tried and theres no entry

[native canyon]

just some transphobic bullshit forget about it

[dark pollen]

nonbinaryphobic nonsense

[spiral pasture]

anti-non binary
im not sure if thats the correct term but you get what i mean

[hushed spruce]

The craws in silksong are so cool, I wish birds were real #birdsarenotreal

[hushed hollow]

i forgot how, can u label on map pls

[analog forge]

There should be a fast travel directly into the cauldron, no?

[weary gorge]

I'm surprised they got banned damn

[near stag]

I'd just like to say thatwhole Beast Crest's pogo is counterintuitive, it isn't that hard to get used to. Just gotta line yourself up horizontally with whatever you're tryna pogo.

[zealous thicket]

Non binary = not real

[naive loom]

how do i get up here there is no path connecting this

[mossy heath]

that’s quite uncool and very mean

[native canyon]

go around

[hoary laurel]

theres no n

[dark pollen]

Beast pogo looks so cool but also terrifies me plaforming wise

[faint berry]

i found them in white ward right?

[weary dune]

LOST KI?

[naive loom]

FROM WHERE I CLEARED THAT OTHER ROOM

[hoary laurel]

there was no n

[analog forge]

das what it says yeah

[gleaming idol]

yeah it says so right in the quest

[tulip spire]

Cool strat for first sinner: let her bind on purpose and you get to keep having fun fighting her for longer

[hushed hollow]

there is a ventrica, but it sends u OUTSIDE of the cauldron. so its practically teasing me and saying : "here's the cauldron. but u can only look and not enter"

[zealous thicket]

From the right side ✌

[spiral pasture]

go around
there will be a big ol red triangle to drop and open the shortcut

[native canyon]

there's a room at the bottom did you enter that

[weary gorge]

Its actually one of the most forgiving pogos in the game because it has the largest hitbox, you just need to do it from the side

[gleaming idol]

craws are very specifically not birds

[analog forge]

Then you go the right, up, left and down back in no?

[naive loom]

the one that breaks the floor and goes to blasted steps?

[dark pollen]

Imagine an ascended first sinner fight. Dream come true

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kratt-slapped-hornet-slaps-kratt-flea-slapping-flea-slap-hornet-slaps-flea-gif-4404608508552191080

[weary gorge]

I cant fuckin believe I did HHG first try tho guys

[analog forge]

through the 12th arichtetct room?

[dark pollen]

KILL

[spiral pasture]

a new one

[naive loom]

i got to the bench in this place at the very right part

[weary gorge]

Im actually freaking out over first try HHG

[native canyon]

you can hold the opposite direction to mitigate the annoying range, but it's super hard to get used to

[cedar patio]

me when I can't understand that a social construct despite being a construct still has bearing on society and should be respected like all things people adhere to or enjoy
shit's like saying math isn't real because it's in your head. wrong on all fronts sociologically, psychologically and biologically.

[naive loom]

idk where that is bro

[zealous thicket]

Diavolo treatment

[dark pollen]

Huh. Really?

[mossy heath]

hey guys I killed* trobbio but what the hell am I supposed to do now :(

[analog forge]

hhg?

[hushed spruce]

They are birds in the sense that they look and act like birds

[spiral pasture]

go around the right

[hoary laurel]

did that person hating nonbinary people get banned

[hushed hollow]

anyone pls?

[zealous thicket]

Probably

[dark pollen]

Sometimes i wish math wasnt real

[atomic lichen]

he's not dead

[naive loom]

THE RIGHT CORRIDER OR THROUGH THE BROKEN FLOOR

[native canyon]

that tall room before the bench has a way to ascend

[zealous thicket]

We'd lowkey be cooked

[cedar patio]

hopefully zapped for a while, I hope they learn from their mistakes.

[mossy heath]

I know :) and it makes me happy i like trobbio

[tiny marlin]

i hate people who thinks everyone NEEDS to use a certain crest (im not gonna say which one you can figure that one out) because it has high dps

[dark pollen]

Absolutely

[weary gorge]

The range is good once you get use to it tho, i would be wary of trying to rely on the shortening trick personally, but it does work. It also goes down if you do it against a wall which makes it flexible and spammablr

[spiral pasture]

i believe the corridor

[cedar patio]

I don't think you would want to live with the consequences of that

[tulip spire]

Yeah fr reaper heads are so annoying

[hoary laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-woman-a-true-gif-11862009741765801580

[native canyon]

beast is unbelievably fun when you actually start playing it

[zealous thicket]

Reject crests, return to architect

[weary gorge]

Yeah i used it on my first playthrough basically from the earliest point you could get it onwards

[gilded cradle]

What should I use with architect?

[spiral pasture]

you NEED to play the game like how I PLAY IT because IM the ONLY ONES WHO OPINION MATTERS!!!!!!

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-gif-1846075065280866456

[dark pollen]

"this crest is better because its DPS-" 🔇

[gleaming idol]

guys for the speedrun achievement, its better to enter the citadel from sinner's road right? so you dont have to fight trobbio

[tawdry sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1425349152996462622/wanderer.gif

[weary gorge]

Super. Idk if I could ever go back from hunter tho, like the game incentivizes perfect dodging so much, hunter does so much damage its insane when you avoid all damage

[cedar patio]

you see the truth is that math is very cool, often easy to understand, and useful. our often outdated and ineffective education systems, aren't.

[native canyon]

wanderer is the best because you steal it from a silly little pilgrim

[weak ice]

last judge

[hoary laurel]

sinners road so no bell ringing

[faint berry]

.

[dark pollen]

Only good argument

[split cape]

JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME USE WHATEVER CREST YOU LIKE IF YOU ENJOY THE GAME THEN ITS GOOD

[mossy heath]

SHERMA???

[weary gorge]

Math is underrated tbh

[weak ice]

yes

[gleaming idol]

is beating trobbio 100% necessary for the vaultkeeper melody? cuz I hate him so much

[dark pollen]

Anyways my favorite crest is shaman
I love tools but oh my god i love nail range

[hoary laurel]

how could you hate trobbio you monster

[glacial kite]

Is groal still optional with the lightning bottle tool to open up the after fight exit

[native canyon]

shaman when it hasn't killed the boss in 30 seconds

[gleaming idol]

isnt the range only slightly better than reaper/witch's? anyay I fucking love red tools

[weary gorge]

I think you have to fight trobbio no matter what but I could be wrong

[hoary laurel]

but no i think you can beat the gay robot dancers and go through cogwork core

[gleaming idol]

annoying fight

[weary gorge]

Trobbios fight is pretty short anyways tbh

[gilded cradle]

im like stuck on him i hate him 🥹✌️

[dark pollen]

I like to hit things with magic slashes 😊

[cedar patio]

straight up

[tiny marlin]

but genuinely some of my friends have been saying i should switch to wanderer for act 3 because the bosses are made for it (i beat them all with reaper (except for zango but yeah))

[split cape]

Practice bro... practice....

[glacial kite]

Act 2 or 3

[weary gorge]

Thats how you get to trobbio

[gilded cradle]

Do NOT use wanderer

[hoary laurel]

is it

[gleaming idol]

yeah i have little trouble dodging him. the problem is hitting him (its so slow)

[hoary laurel]

why not

[weary gorge]

Once you figure him out you've got it down forever I promise

[dark pollen]

I think every crest has its merits

[gilded cradle]

it's not allat man

[hoary laurel]

ive used it its solid

[dark pollen]

My favorites are wanderer and shaman, but i use reaper on occasion too

[weary gorge]

Id use whatever you think is fun personally

[gilded cradle]

Only way I'd use it is with longclaw

[hoary laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/morgon-freeman-true-bugburger2-true-fact-checked-by-patriots-wholesome-reddit-gif-13662132864673041294

[weary gorge]

This speedrun challenge has me really liking hunter crest fr

[glacial kite]

Architect can melt, but you have to be insanely rich

[worn dragon]

Hunters pogo is really good though

People rag on it, but it's honestly the best pogo by far

[tulip spire]

If you’re pulling through with reaper there’s no real issue. I usually tell people to stop using reaper because they’re struggling and the crest usually holds them back due to how it makes fights take longer (therefore more attacks to dodge/more fatigue as it requires longer periods of concentration with each attempt), but like if it’s comfortable for you and it’s getting results, go for it

[gleaming idol]

delver's drill 🤤

[gilded cradle]

What should I use with architect

[weary gorge]

Longclaw reaper is the only way to use it tbh. If youre gonna use reaper you gotta max out that reach

[cedar patio]

you're based for that
also based in general with the merit to back it up. you've gained reputation with tri

[dark pollen]

:D

[weary dune]

This did not happen

[native canyon]

my opinion used to be every crest can be made overpowered except reaper therefore reaper is the worst, but I learned that reaper has the best flea brew benefits so now it's slightly different. every crest can be made overpowered but reaper requires the most effort so it's the worst, but not by a ton

[gleaming idol]

bro that much reach is enough. we have clawline and straight pin for a reason

[glacial kite]

Mainly, I like to use cog flies a second weapon of your choosing and the life blood injection it’s really great if you can actually dodge for free healing and a bind craft will consume your shards, but you get six healing in six shots so I like it a lot

[dark pollen]

Reaper soul gain good :]

[weary gorge]

Lol I'm just saying if youre using reaper longclaw is great i think you dont like reaper overall anyways right?

[worn dragon]

Wanderer is probably the best crest overall

[mossy prairie]

Hey does anyone know a good beginners speedrun route or could point me in the right direction, I just 100%ed the game and am playing on ps5, wanna try a speedrun

[native canyon]

wanderer has the best silk gain

[weary gorge]

Idk dude hunter feels so good fr

[gleaming idol]

longclaw is weaker on crests that already have long range

[worn dragon]

Very high DPS, and very high silk generation due to hits

[glacial kite]

But you gotta be insanely rich to use the build or just do the needlelin dream sequences they don’t consume your stuff if you lose or win

[native canyon]

reaper's problem is the bind gimmick is kinda mid because it requires a lot for you to break even

[worn dragon]

I like hunter a lot more though

[tulip spire]

I’m curious on the math there tbh someone should test this out because I feel like the lower hit rate kind of offsets the special effect

[steady abyss]

yeah, they havent patched that yet

[weary gorge]

It still ends up with phat range

[cedar patio]

yeah I think so too

[weary gorge]

For me it always just resulted in a ton of free silk

[gilded cradle]

wow reaper + longclaw is rlly good

[native canyon]

patches up reaper's second biggest problem, which is the strange hitboxes on the slashes

[cedar patio]

can you miss if your reaper upswing is on the wrong side or noh

[steady abyss]

tbh there is no reason to use reaper other than if you dont have wanderers yet and cant learn the hunters pogo

[native canyon]

reaper has the worst upswing in the game yeah

[weary gorge]

Honestly reapers long reach and extra regen makes it really safe to use and do no hit fights, and spam tf out of your spells

[tulip spire]

Yeah the reaper upswing is trash

[gleaming idol]

the only bad slash is up slash. I like how side slash covers my head

[cedar patio]

aw man...

[gilded cradle]

Yeah

[weary gorge]

Hands down the worst part of the kit, it was a weird addition to it tbh

[glacial kite]

How much range does it give on an increase on architect it doesn’t seem to give much

[gilded cradle]

Is this good for architect

[steady abyss]

use cog flies and dice

[cedar patio]

I wish the reaper upswing was like it's downswinf but reversed

[glacial kite]

Where is the gambling dice?

[gleaming idol]

no pollip pouch really falls off late game. also why not reserve bind?

[weary gorge]

I'm still reeling like 20 minutes later from doing first try HHG, thats the hardest part of the run for me

[steady abyss]

blasted steps, on the left down

[mossy prairie]

Also anyone got tips for getting super late game rosaries, I’m at 93% and my last 7% is literally rosary-dependant.

[weary gorge]

Like im totally fuckin shocked I did it, it gives me so much more breathing room for the speedrun

[fallen prairie]

Sometimes you get crests so late in the game it's hard to enjoy with them like you want to use the Shaman crest to fight a specific boss but that boss is long dead

[tulip spire]

Reaper’s best attack is the forward slash and its pogo is comparable to wanderer and shaman (so good, but also not exceptional). Its dash attack looks cool but it’s weirdly hard to land. Its charge attack is so fucking bad. Its upslash is garbage.

[glacial kite]

No, I mean on your build

[faint berry]

fuck yeahhhh

[cedar patio]

I don't like witch crest because I am hyper reliant on the compass 🔥🔥🔥

[gilded cradle]

Lwk was focused on dmg bind speed or reserve doesn't really matter to me

[glacial kite]

I suggest you farm a ton of rosaries if you don’t have a lot, you will not be able to farm in act three efficiently

[gleaming idol]

why is hornet wearing black

[weary gorge]

We need godhome fr

[young vortex]

what species is the green prince

[faint berry]

depertion

[tulip spire]

Green

[violet vector]

lol

[cedar patio]

Green

[young vortex]

i don't think that's a species

[fallen prairie]

Exactly that's the first DLC we need

[weary gorge]

Itll be last for sure lol that way it has all.the content in it nicely

[sterile snow]

He's a mantis or grasshopper idk

Prob grasshopper

[tulip spire]

Are there mandatory yellow tools for witch I’m pretty sure the compass can stay

[fallen prairie]

Nah it's a Mantis

[sour swift]

Guys how should i trigger act 3 quest(silk and soul)?

[tulip spire]

I guess dice

[gleaming idol]

in perfect conditions pollip pouch gives an extra 6 damage per tool use. for refrence a single maxed needle hit does 21 damage.

[gilded cradle]

Btw what happens if I free the prince

[gleaming idol]

1. sidequests
2. fleas

[fallen prairie]

You get one of the best boss fights in the late game

[glacial kite]

If you have the quest and you don’t have a lot of rosaries you need to go farm some

[pulsar pond]

Why's there 2 stuffs yo

[zealous thicket]

Every wish you can find
Fleas!! (Find vog)

[young vortex]

he looks nothing like other mantises but he also looks nothing like sly who i'm quite sure is a grasshopper

[sterile snow]

Opens up a sidequest much later

[gilded cradle]

He fights me for freeing him? 💔

[native canyon]

I'm actually kinda scared for act 3, not because of the difficulty but because I'm probably gonna finish the game tomorrow, so I'll just immediately jump into boss no-hits lol

[weary gorge]

Dude but fr godhome would he so much sicker than HKs godhome if you could still use the restrictions to do the run like no tools, no health upgrades, no needle upgrades. If they still allowed you to use whatever crest you wanted it would be WAY more interesting

[sterile snow]

I thought sly was just a mosquito or some shit

[gleaming idol]

steel soul only

[weary gorge]

Imagine no silk skill shaman pantheon runs on godhome

[fallen prairie]

It's kinda a long story but he was so miserable he didn't want to live and this point

[glacial kite]

Act three has more bosses you’re not near to completion

[native canyon]

should I try to record boss no-hits my plan is to do it toolless and skillless

[tulip spire]

I thought Sly was like a cricket or something but honestly he doesn’t really particularly resemble anything other than a fly

[winter swift]

I hate silk soar

[gilded cradle]

Then why not just let hornet off him instead of fighting

[zealous thicket]

I am lowkey gonna have to do ts

[glacial kite]

The super jump?

[native canyon]

I have every boss listed in a document, act 2 has the most bosses

[young vortex]

i need to be able to do radiant last judge

[winter swift]

Yes

[sterile snow]

play the game and find out

[fallen prairie]

||I mean it's an optional boss||

[weary dune]

[gilded cradle]

Yeah i know but still

[cedar patio]

goodbye chat

[zealous thicket]

That's basically killing himself, it isn't honorable, especially for a prince

[glacial kite]

Why do you hate it?

[native canyon]

technically depends on how you count voltvyrm but I consider that guy act 2

[gilded cradle]

Ah

[gleaming idol]

man I wish liquid laquer actually did something

[weary gorge]

Imagine each crest had their own markings for completing a run with a restriction. 7 sets of 4 badges

[tulip spire]

Probably its fuckass button mapping

[native canyon]

helps mask maker make more masks

[compact elbow]

are tacks good?

[native canyon]

yes

[fallen prairie]

Huge spoiler warning: ||he mostly attacks you because you invaded his memories and the boss fight begins with him and a reflection of like his lover and you only can attack the prince||

[winter swift]

Mostly because now i have to scour the map for any gap in the ceiling + it doesnt affect normal gameplay at all unlike double jump or dash

[gleaming idol]

easiest courier quest (that requires going upwards)

[gilded cradle]

Ohh

[wind compass]

is there anywhere else to go after reaching nameless town and gettign the memento?

[gilded cradle]

Maybe i should go free him because the fight sounds peak

[gleaming idol]

yeah open the shortcut back down

[glacial kite]

True but it is really good in some areas it’s faster than elevators and can get to super high places that you really couldn’t reach with the other abilities

[tulip spire]

This is fair criticism I think it doesn’t add much to combat since the windup is a bit too slow/fiddly

[wind compass]

already got that

[glacial kite]

Mainly for backtracking when the game tries to send you somewhere and you can’t jump back up or climb with wall cling

[gleaming idol]

he does literally nothing until act 3. so free him when you find your 4th simple key

[fallen prairie]

It is it's that type of fight that it's a reward itself to beat that boss

[weary gorge]

This game is too good fr it's criminal

[wind compass]

GMS in terms of size, Ass jim in terms of jiggle

[glacial kite]

Is it the cogwork dancers but harder?

[tulip spire]

Ass Jim is like 2000% ass so pretty sure it’s them

[gilded cradle]

I got the one from bone bottom and the one from the merchant in songclave

[winter swift]

It helps in some large vertical rooms but other than that i feel like its use is limited to secrets and some set pieces only

[gleaming idol]

nah Im gonna fight him because i wont have time to fight karmellta for the 100% completeion speedrun

[fallen prairie]

Yeah pretty much ||they only show where they go for a split second||

[gleaming idol]

so go find more

[compact elbow]

alright tacks obtained

[smoky bridge]

Plasmium seems to purge silk from the body, to some capacity. That's interesting.

[gilded cradle]

And then I got another one from sinners road

[glacial kite]

Oh, so just pay attention

[vernal skiff]

What is your opinion on the Wispfire Lantern? Do you think it should be buffed/nerfed in any way?

[tulip spire]

These are the only three available in act 1 I’m pretty sure

[gleaming idol]

what where is this stated

[gilded cradle]

So there's another but idk where

[tidal hearth]

Guys how do I keep on clinging on the same position with my claw??? I have no clueeeeee

[compact elbow]

its alright

[torn spear]

Both the gay princes and gay robot princess are easy bosses tho , act 1 worthy

[smoky bridge]

Of course if you got enough lifeblood on you to de-silk yourself you're pretty much a goner but Yk.

[winter swift]

It should not consume silk

[tidal hearth]

I like tried all the buttons

[gleaming idol]

so? go to act 2 then

[young vortex]

awesome

[gilded cradle]

Ascendant grip

[fallen prairie]

||and their duet isn't an attack like a circle into a tornado that slowly moves which you need to avoid||

[tidal hearth]

Thanks! Is it a charm or something?

[young vortex]

i eat the bugs and i do it quite nicely

[sterile snow]

Yea, tool bought in songclave

[gleaming idol]

uhh useful on architect maybe? idk silk skills are just too powerful

[gilded cradle]

You can get it from songclave merchant

[native canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1424147158625550416/second_senti.gif

[smoky bridge]

The Lifeblood creatures are fully immune to the Needolin.
The needolin works by affecting the silk inside Pharloom creatures. So I can only assume they've been de-silked.

[gleaming idol]

reserve bind my goat

[tulip spire]

I’m pretty sure lifeblood OD is a scam

[winter swift]

I was so relieved after seeing them in act 3 again

[sterile snow]

17 damage every 4 seconds and it costs silk

That is 4.25dps
That is ass

[tidal hearth]

OMG thank you so much those two last mfs always get me in the conductor's gauntlet xD

[torn spear]

Gms is immune

[gilded cradle]

Not really

[glacial kite]

Anybody know where this flea is?

[gleaming idol]

i mean voided creatures are also immune

[wind compass]

I've seen people with maps of the surface and the Abyss. Will I get these maps later on or?

[tidal hearth]

Thanks a lot!

[smoky bridge]

And void ruins silk yeah.

[glacial kite]

I’ve looked around. I just don’t know where to go.

[vernal skiff]

Yeah that's what I thought too, it has a similar problem to glowing womb. Though maybe reduce its damage slightly if it doesn't use silk

[native canyon]

seeing them in act 3 being the GOAT

[young vortex]

i think i said out loud "smash" within a minute or two of reviving second sentinel

[gilded cradle]

You're welcome

[vernal skiff]

Yeah, true

[gleaming idol]

inside wisp thicket I think

[native canyon]

what

[wind compass]

"smash, next."

[tulip spire]

You can get there from wisp thicket

[winter swift]

Its basically grimm child but if it consumed soul

[gilded cradle]

Wait where is reserve bind anyway

[glacial kite]

Is it in the boss room somewhere because I tried looking there did I miss it?

[young vortex]

seems pretty self explanatory

[tulip spire]

Second sentinel reward