sk-discussion

[chilly glacier]

like what?

[tight delta]

Me too

[tawdry valley]

Depends on your current blues?

[errant orchid]

markoth took me longer than any other radiant boss

[hard lodge]

I've never fought ascended markoth
Not done P5

[ruby ermine]

Reserve is better, mask gives you 1 extra hit while reserve gives at LEAST 2
And its up to you but id take longclaw

[tawdry valley]

Most of them are better than savage though lol

[serene hound]

#sk-help sorry could not find this channel 😭

[tidal ruin]

Keep it that way, ascended markoth is straight booty

[hardy tangle]

for me it was MMM

[opaque shadow]

Plus maybe swap mask for multibind

[meager nexus]

Best boss oat ❤️‍🩹

[chilly glacier]

actually I just realized that like, I don't need the Magnetite brooch because I'm just fighting lace

[exotic dome]

is there a guide on how to make a mod

[subtle saddle]

Groal the Great when a Savage Beastfly invades his home:

[hard lodge]

P4 is my limit

[tight delta]

but after that failed I CHALLENGED HIM FACE TO FACE AND STILL WON

[chilly glacier]

multibind takes too long for lost lace

[errant orchid]

try the modding channel pins

[opaque shadow]

3/10 no scuttlebrace

[tidal ruin]

They just chose a random dream warrior and decided to give him fuck you amounts of bullshit

[covert nest]

Radiant markoth was definitely a pain but I didn't find him all that bad, it just took me a good spell build

[crimson bloom]

Its nice

[chilly glacier]

taking the anklets

[opaque shadow]

Jump up the wall then wings

[meager nexus]

He will start riding the savage beastfly i think. And become a mega combo boss

[ruby ermine]

Also idk if this is a hot take but Groal is actually an amazing fight
Ignoring the gauntlet its very fun

[normal notch]

No but I think hollow knight is

[errant orchid]

i did all my radiant clears with the same build so doing him with a normal build was so annoying, hes really easy with the grub charm tho

[opaque shadow]

What purpose does scuttlebrace even serve tho 🤣

[chilly glacier]

so multibind instead of mask, so full Reserve, Injection Pins, and Multibind?

[hardy tangle]

if you ignored the maggots and the gauntlet and the runback its easy and whatever

[chilly glacier]

idek honestly

[subtle saddle]

Honestly? The only boss fight thus far where I didn't mind the gauntlet before hand was Karmelita.

[covert nest]

fair enough, I did the run of the mill nail build for all of them as well. Markoth was my exception

[cyan terrace]

hornet lwk cold wid it

[tidal ruin]

I also wondered this cause like, can't you just dash in said direction? There has to be some feature I'm missing

[hard lodge]

The main thing is, on mount fay I got to the first bench, so even if I have to live here for the rest of my life I am going to batter my head against the garbage segment until i win or I die.

[errant orchid]

extremely valid exception lol

[wind marsh]

Stylish dodging I think?

[ruby ermine]

What about Lugoli

[viscid turret]

NKG was harder than ABSRAD for me somehow lol

[chilly glacier]

I'd do anything for that chef's dumper....

[candid dock]

hornet has aura we know this

[hard lodge]

NKG killed me 100 times, but I got him on the 101st

[subtle saddle]

Honestly.. I completely forgot they existed.

[covert nest]

ooo look I'm a spider

[opaque shadow]

Honestly, you could swap out band instead of mask if you use the heal cheese (just watch out for the projectiles in phase 2)

[normal notch]

67

[tidal ruin]

I can understand that first time around, after having beaten them both quite a few times though I think absrad beats nkg by quite a bit personally

[ruby ermine]

How could you forget the bubble bass special 💔💔

[opaque shadow]

Get hornet'd

[exotic dome]

groal itself is ok fight. the runback and the gauntlet makes it frustrating

[subtle saddle]

I just beat them and moved on so like idfk.

[opaque shadow]

Mods, kill them

[viscid turret]

It has great mobility

[tidal ruin]

Nkg is just a much more learnable fight since it follows a sort of format, while absrad just throws random bullshit at you

[ruby ermine]

Groal will be peak when godhome comes out

[coral quartz]

how dare you forget Ass Jim

[viscid turret]

Groal can burn

[hard lodge]

Still I am 4/4 against the White Defender, so that boss is ez

[tawdry valley]

It’s a pretty good air mobility tool - think of it as Dashmaster. If it wasn’t a yellow it would be useless though

[opaque shadow]

Is the "rapid retreat" actually faster

[candid dock]

Radiance has less of a rhythm

[viscid turret]

I found NKG somehow cooler than absrad, but thats my opinion

[coral quartz]

yes

[chilly glacier]

maybe Druid's Eye's for Lost Lace?

[covert nest]

Most of the damage I received from Groal himself was me being way too aggressive and landing in him going for damage, Groal gets easier when you step back and don't get greedy

[tawdry valley]

It’s not bad actually. Lotta multihits to make bind spam easier

[coral quartz]

groal becomes a cakewalk if you just swim in the shitwater and become a stilkin

[tidal ruin]

Absrad is cool design wise (I hate the fight itself) but grimm and pure vessel are both still my favorite designs, on top of my favorite fights

[viscid turret]

Honestly LL is nothing compared to what i have faced in HK and beaten, it was really easy for me

[subtle saddle]

I just used architect crest and sent him to the shadow realm where he belongs.

[tawdry valley]

you could equip beast crest instead and body slam LL but the world isn’t ready for that conversation yet

[covert nest]

or let him eat you, it's a valid strat

[wind marsh]

That was actually apart of the build I used to try and beat them for a bit

[covert nest]

also very valid

[errant orchid]

is the upgraded one good?

[hardy tangle]

imo pure vessel is the best boss fight in hk and tbh the best boss from ss is not even like half as good as pv

[wind marsh]

(Because I ran out of shell shards while fighting her and so had to very dramatically switch up my crest build)

[viscid turret]

I hope we get tougher bosses for the DLC in silksong, these bosse are just too easy

[ruby ermine]

Witch crest is honestly my main crest now
Sucks its so hard to get

[candid dock]

Hard disagree

[tawdry valley]

It’s not bad

[tidal ruin]

Pv is my favorite as well, though I think first sinner is almost as good

[covert nest]

ehhhhh I really wouldn't sac a blue tool slot

[hardy tangle]

i might be glazing here but pure vessel is just tear jerking im jerking my teears

[wind marsh]

Take a step back mate

[tawdry valley]

I disagree with your hard disagree cause I think it needs to at worst be a soft disagree

[subtle saddle]

I like the Skarrsinger Karmelita a lot more than PV.

[hardy tangle]

first sinners my fav ss boss too

[viscid turret]

hes a soldier

[tidal ruin]

Yes this, something as good as first sinner that takes me a few hours would be peak

[viscid turret]

Honestly? agree

[hardy tangle]

yoo mb

[viscid turret]

Real

[subtle saddle]

Karmelita may be difficult but she is so fun to master.

[hardy tangle]

i like her fight but it lowk drags on and she introduces like 1 new attack throughout the whole fight

[candid dock]

structurally ambiguous disagree

[ruby ermine]

I wish Khan was harder

[covert nest]

Skarrsinger Karmelita required me to lock in, she's among my favorite fights between both games

[errant orchid]

hes really fun but yeah the only time you get hit is when he drops on you lol

[viscid turret]

I mean, She was definetly not easy but my sekiro and DS2 + ABSRAD 3 min came in clutch 😭

[vestal knot]

The worst boss in the game tbh, I hate that girl

[tidal ruin]

Karmelita is good boss imo, but she gets lost amongst quite a few other very good bosses (this game has quite a few good bosses)

[ruby ermine]

Godhome fight idea
Cogwork dancers PLUS the green prince

[viscid turret]

If unpopuler opinion was a person

[hardy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[ruby ermine]

0/10 ragebait

[tawdry valley]

Any harder and people would call coral tower bs even with the shortcut. It also doesn’t stop people from apparently wanting to cheese the fight so idk

[vestal knot]

Because bread tastes better than key

[hardy tangle]

people will cheese moss mother if given the chance

[ruby ermine]

Hardest part is his fat ass why are people cheesing him 😭

[viscid turret]

Honestly once you get 10k rosaries architects crest feels like a breeze

[vestal knot]

I hate her bc she was the only boss that I struggled in the entire game, like, 6 hours to beat💔💔💔

[tawdry valley]

Yeah…

[candid dock]

People want to play the game but dont want to play the game at the same time

[chilly glacier]

it's better than the first one, your mileage varies

[hardy tangle]

tiers are in order my opinion is very important

[sinful wave]

good list

[viscid turret]

congratulations on having the worst opinion in this community as of yet

[hardy tangle]

who needs a guide for ts 😭

[vestal knot]

stop, you’re being toxic, respect my opinion pls💔💔💔

[subtle saddle]

If I recall I also refused to use any red tools during the fight cause.. I'm a masochist.

[viscid turret]

10/10 ragebait dude

[opaque shadow]

Must be annoying to learn how to fluidly integrate it tho

[covert nest]

Not the worst list I've seen

[sinful wave]

ragebait used to be believable

[viscid turret]

fuk your opinion

[candid dock]

Good list 10/10 please rate again

[tawdry valley]

Replaying the game and ||fighting the ant trapper has really led me to lower my opinion of them. They’re just a toolspammer lol ||

[opaque shadow]

What did groal do?

[hardy tangle]

tf are these tier names

[hard lodge]

The good news is I can now do the first part after the first bench of mount fay, the bad news is there's another BS segment, oh joy.

[hardy tangle]

you know what he did

[tawdry valley]

Useful

[viscid turret]

Honestly seth fight was the bottom for me

[vestal knot]

dude

[opaque shadow]

Thr khann glaze 😭

[ruby ermine]

Crawfather is cool though........

[opaque shadow]

[hardy tangle]

hrnnnnggh!!! craw father is the BEST! adds spawning boss!! 😡 🤬

[tawdry valley]

Yeah we like crust king khann up in this bitch, square up or blow up mf

[viscid turret]

well hes the only mongol in the game so i would think he has a lot of glazers

[candid dock]

khan should be in the 2nd to last

[opaque shadow]

But he's an easy, somewhat boring fight.

[covert nest]

Khann is aesthetically really cool but I think if he were faster it would do wonders for the fight

[tawdry valley]

Easy bosses can be fun

[carmine geode]

He anyone know where shakra goes after you bump into her in greymoore?

[hardy tangle]

what did bro do

[carmine geode]

I had to leave to get my money and when I came back she was gone

[viscid turret]

Sinners road

[vestal knot]

You’re the most toxic person that I’ve ever met, no jokes

[tight viper]

Check Bone Bottom

[tawdry valley]

I found every boss easy anyways. First sinner was great but I’ve fought them three times across 2 playthroughs and my first attempt was a boss clear

[carmine geode]

Checked, not there

[sinful wave]

he's got some crust to him, he khann be my king

ight im leaving

[mental magnet]

great to see more khann appreciation

[viscid turret]

Sinners road, check sinners road bell seat

[carmine geode]

Can I get there with just a floaty cape and a dash?

[candid dock]

I wouldnt actively seek to fight khan, might be enjoyable if I happened to come across him

[opaque shadow]

Didn't even need the shortcut lol

[stiff briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-ba-watchout-whoa-damn-gif-5262512

[mental magnet]

he is so damn fun

[hardy tangle]

first tried crawfather and i somehow ended up liking it

[viscid turret]

Yeah

[tight viper]

Crawfather is fun

[carmine geode]

Okay cool- now I need to find sinners road XD

[mental magnet]

crawfather ❤️

[viscid turret]

Its above greymoor

[ruby ermine]

Above halfway home

[hardy tangle]

you put him below the lifeblood guy

[carmine geode]

My fingers hurt after that stupid bird cage fight

[tawdry valley]

There’s nothing badass about it. There’s no godhome in game so I’m TOTALLY FUCKED until they add it in

[terse stone]

I think it’s important for a game to have at least a few very fun fights that aren’t terribly difficult

[ruby ermine]

Do you even get anything for killing Zango

[hardy tangle]

who up actively seeking to fight zango

[candid dock]

2nd to last tier i meant

[hardy tangle]

ohhh well still too low but ok

[viscid turret]

FS

[covert nest]

at this point should I just run my normal wanderer build or learn to use architects crest more because I am in steel soul

[hardy tangle]

nothingburger journal entry

[slim thorn]

you can get 4 of plasmblood
just be carefull if in steel soul...

[tawdry valley]

Depends on context. Fights can be simple (and potentially even boring) if they serve game some kind of design purpose

[ruby ermine]

Me because I never found him on my first play through and it pissed me off

[tight viper]

Well, yeah

[sinful wave]

some takes

[viscid turret]

Petition to rename First sinner to FSTSNR

[mental magnet]

erm

[ruby ermine]

Rancid

[terse stone]

You have an interesting mind, how do i disagree with almost all of this

[boreal sparrow]

Is reaper crest or upgraded hunter crest stronger?

[covert nest]

fck vwls

[viscid turret]

this would be awesome but replace trobbio for groal

[tawdry valley]

Take all the bosses in the cyan tier for example

[coral quartz]

Unravelled shouldnt be on the top of any list ever

[hardy tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1386725693567799296/1402237876636221520/jerry.gif

[meager nexus]

Lugoli is better and stronger and faster than hornet

[covert nest]

upgraded hunter

[viscid turret]

Same as ABSRAD

[opaque shadow]

Wow, love silksongs boss roster of 10

[ruby ermine]

Groal is goated you guys are just haters.....

[sinful wave]

now, if we put other bosses up here this list is lower 🥹

[hardy tangle]

unravelled is such a fatass he takes up half the arena and does 2 masks contact

[coral quartz]

holy shit a good tier list in this discord server? i never thought i'd see the day

[viscid turret]

Groal can go become a frog for all i care

[meager nexus]

Groal is a fat ASS!

[coral quartz]

i know it's a list of bad bosses but he's still too high lol

[errant orchid]

trobbio my mid king

[meager nexus]

Wish we played as this guy instead of ugly hornet

[stiff briar]

if I google "Ass Jim" will I get the wrong sort of sites in my results history?

[sinful wave]

i don't know unraveled was fun to me. I got in the flow of things and despite way too many deaths I liked it

[sinful wave]

though I also had most pale nail upgrades so the adds werent bad

[hardy tangle]

we call him ass jim not by his full government name 🙄

[terse stone]

I love Hornet as a skill check, great fight

In this game, widow is the big skill check near the end of the act imo, it’s much more difficult then anything you’ve faced before

[fast shale]

Sister splinter fight is designed for silk spear ngl, only fight i've had where silk spear had more value than silk storm

[coral quartz]

i've never wanted to reach my hand through a screen and strangle someone more than i do in this moment rn

[opaque shadow]

Can y'all shut up about "ass jim"

[ruby ermine]

Spears were really cool but the rest of the fight sucks ass

[leaden widget]

Guys is it cheating if I get a double damaged mod for 2x widow

[severe steeple]

Yo sup

[covert nest]

I call lugoli ass jim and give no context to my friends when playing

[tawdry valley]

Explicitly designed to get worse the longer you look at it. Try adding some of the values together

[sinful wave]

alr fixed the list

[ruby ermine]

Off screen too long as has wayyy too much hp

[terse stone]

I love how Hornet pretty much has her exact moveset she had in her boss battle in Silksong

[coral quartz]

it's the name mossbag gave them before we knew their name and it kinda just stuck 🤷‍♂️

[noble jolt]

what's your fourth favourite boss?

[tawdry valley]

LL probably

[sinful wave]

weirdly enough I just relied on charged wanderers attack and thread storm

[opaque shadow]

🙁

[mental magnet]

fourth sinner

[severe steeple]

uhm Cogwork

[hardy tangle]

judge

[tawdry valley]

Fuck you

[stiff briar]

Like you go out for coffee and tell your friend "I saw Ass Jim last night and pounded him?" without context?

[chilly glacier]

they'll always be dumpy lugoli in my mind

[severe steeple]

Judge is an amazing fight

[opaque shadow]

💔

[coral quartz]

you're just jealous that nobody's talking abt ur ass, admit it

[covert nest]

yessir

[chilly glacier]

Mucked Beastfly

[terse stone]

why would you say you pounded a boss anyways

[hardy tangle]

do you hate judge or do you glaze tf out of them

[terse stone]

that sounds wrong no matter what

[mental magnet]

judge fight is so fire

[severe steeple]

Does the needolin yellow tool have any actual use? Im confused by it

[ruby ermine]

But its Lugoli so

[sinful wave]

bell eater is STILL one of my least favorite bosses in the game oat though god I hated it

[covert nest]

The crazy thing about needle strike for me is I use it very very rarely in silksong when I basically incorporated nail arts into every fight in hollow knight

[tawdry valley]

My problem with you is that you can’t figure out which

[sinful wave]

that was miserable, and I was shard broke so I couldn't be tool reliant

[fiery breach]

BILEWATERRRRRRR

[errant orchid]

no it makes the stun like a tiny bit longer almost completely useless

[terse stone]

I think it’s a fight pacing difference tbh

[tawdry valley]

You can one shot all bilewater enemies with like, a hivesteel needle strike

[noble jolt]

second sentinel is cool

[severe steeple]

bro why are half the yellow tool cosmetic

[hardy tangle]

im assuming you want to be attached on a chain and swung around by the last judge

[mental magnet]

love that area it was so fun to explore

[chilly glacier]

where do you find the baby judges?

[ruby ermine]

And also pin badge being in act 3......

[elfin prairie]

list of hk characters in silksong
-hornet
-ancient basin bug thing
-||Mr mushroom||
-||our goat the knight||
I think

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-gif-22580177

[errant orchid]

i never used either but the needle strike having a double hit kinda thing is cool

[tawdry valley]

Breakable wall up and to the left of the BSteps bellway

[mental magnet]

red memory

[tawdry valley]

Use traps or play music

[elfin prairie]

Forgor

[opaque shadow]

Literally no

[covert nest]

I run wanderer, and the needle strike doesn't halt air momentum like in the first game, which was my main application for the first game. Radiant NKG proves my point in how important that is for me

[stiff briar]

killing the baby judges was the worst moment of the game

[tawdry valley]

Zote

[mental magnet]

WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA

[candid gyro]

do the slots unlocked on Hunter by default count for Eva, or is that crest just completely ignored

[severe steeple]

I hope they go and rebalance some of the tools this time unlike how they left the charms as is

[tight viper]

Ignored

[tawdry valley]

What does that mean. She goes by lockets spent

[sinful wave]

lumaflys and lifeseeds right?

[elfin prairie]

I mean the lifeblood seeds do fly now so idk

[ruby ermine]

Remove silkshot shard cost I agree 🔥🔥

[chilly glacier]

she goes by the amount of crests you've unlocked 1 locket on

[elfin prairie]

does the arcane egg count

[sinful wave]

apparently it’s a mix of lockets on other crests, how many crests you have, and silk skills?? Maybe?? Idk she’s complex

[tawdry valley]

I thought it was every 3 or something

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-stick-bugged-stick-bugged-gif-5833534606468811764

[severe steeple]

silkshot is already good tho it doesnt need a buff

[tawdry valley]

Interesting…

[sinful wave]

you could’ve said abyss tendrils too lwk

[tight viper]

Eva goes off of the total available number of tool and skill slots, doesn’t include Hunter

[terse stone]

Silksong but you start with architects crest with all 3 silkshot variations lmao

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-garama-guarana-gif-11792020015736795535

[errant orchid]

they should make an item obtainable is very very late game that removes shell shards outright

[tawdry valley]

No

[covert nest]

Hollow Point: Silkshot

[ruby ermine]

IIf its just firing silk why does it need shards tho hmmmmm

[errant orchid]

yes

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-fleas-hollow-knight-hornet-hollow-knight-homies-gif-7976644766520327046

[tight viper]

Casings

[tawdry valley]

If you can’t afford infinite shards in the endgame then you don’t deserve them

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/katamari-crab-gun-crab-gun-katamari-damacy-gif-11828792778288815909

[stiff briar]

gonna ask AI to make this into a 00s trap music album cover

[tawdry valley]

So much goddamn money and nowhere to spend it

[ruby ermine]

Godhome will 100% have infinite shards

[sinful wave]

I kinda hoped grindle would actually have cool interactions later game but nah

Otherwise I’d hoped he’d die after I bought everything from him or him say something unique

Nope

I hate him

[terse stone]

Who needs nails when you have a GUN

[elfin prairie]

But tbf in act 3 the rosarie farming spots gets nerfed a bunch

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-silksong-hornet-bell-beast-gif-7811662190976658415

[tawdry valley]

They have a couple of neat moments

[sinful wave]

buy shard bundles

[crisp silo]

kill him

[errant orchid]

its just bad to have to go spam a button on the shop every once in a while its pointless in act3

[opaque shadow]

Only 💯 more

[tawdry valley]

Literally my point ye

[terse stone]

dog : )

[severe steeple]

They should turn Wrath of Purity into a yellow tool and then take the useless Spider Strings tool and rework it into a blue tool.

[tight viper]

I wish dogs were real

[elfin prairie]

Eira

[nocturne grail]

Why is bro so broke

[crisp silo]

lmao i finally climbed to the top and some dude hiding behind a pillar instantly killed me

[tawdry valley]

It’s also bad to toolspam but that doesn’t stop SOME people

[meager nexus]

Ass jim senpai! 🥺🥺🥺🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[fiery breach]

EIRAAA

[sinful wave]

should I not buy the last item from twelfth architect 🥹

[covert nest]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[terse stone]

EIRA!

[hardy tangle]

is there a moment in silksong that can compare to this moment

[opaque shadow]

Already bought like everything

[tawdry valley]

Tools are strong enough, why do they gotta be free too

[crisp silo]

even with double jump I am terrible at clockwork ):

[fiery breach]

https://tenor.com/view/shaw-silksong-shaw-mewing-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-10701033448015821325

[terse stone]

We all love you EIRA

[sinful wave]

garmond.

[tawdry valley]

Yeah

[ruby ermine]

Shakra and her master

[stiff briar]

EIRA COMING IN FROM THE TOP ROPES

[terse stone]

good dog : )

[tight viper]

Pilby

[errant orchid]

i dont frick with the controller binds for tools so i just end up not using them most of the time lol until i started bestiary

[hardy tangle]

first thing and tbh only things that comes to mind

[covert nest]

shakra master scene

[sinful wave]

wait so is shakra confirmed same tribe as elder hu

I read that somewhere

[crisp silo]

when the walls fell

[tawdry valley]

Her fucking ||MOM|| man. Silksong is peak

[hardy tangle]

so sorry but idk who that is lmao

[errant orchid]

flea dodge minigame

[severe steeple]

did you never use the spells in Hollow Knight either

[mental magnet]

maybe

[tight viper]

Blasphemy

[tawdry valley]

No but I see it tbh

[sonic wren]

tool spam is the most fun thing in this game

[noble jolt]

Second Sentinel is like a mix of hornet and the hollow knight in a really interesting way

[hardy tangle]

i searched i up im liteerally one of the pilgrims NOBODY rmembers this dudes name

[errant orchid]

i love spells but holding up and r1 to shoot something that goes straight forward doesn't make me happy

[covert nest]

random bullshit go

[terse stone]

I’m just going to consider it canon because they are way too similar in aesthetics

[tawdry valley]

Your ragebait submission has been reviewed and denied, please reapply after the waiting period

[hardy tangle]

theyre like hornet in hallownest

[crisp silo]

wow i thought it was only me

[tight viper]

Hornet does, if you talk to him enough

[sinful wave]

second sentinel used a lot of hornet’s moves i think right? Like, a bunch of crest moves and then the same charged x slash that the pinstress uses?? Does the pinstress use it or am I dumb

[crisp silo]

this game without tools is hard

[nocturne grail]

Why do these spiky ball things look different between the games

[severe steeple]

I felt that way for the first couple minutes but using the tools gets you used to it quickly

[sonic wren]

This is the only boss in the game I first tried and funny enough without tools

[mental magnet]

they aint the same thing

[errant orchid]

also i think some tool are a little overtuned so its kinda easy when you use some of them (cogflys lol)

[floral kindle]

Because it does

[crisp silo]

so far i have beaten every boss without tools

[sinful wave]

they’re a recreation in silksong meant to be a replication

[hardy tangle]

ari gibson felt like it

[sonic wren]

I was running the White Palace Special for a while on architect crest (sawblade + cogflies + tacks) which, suddenly I understand the pale king

[nocturne grail]

Lmao ok

[sinful wave]

the old one was just some spike ball that hornet already hsd 🥹

[severe steeple]

nerf cogflies though fr

[tawdry valley]

They did

[dull rover]

If i wanna 100% the game are there things ill miss if i clear an act or can everything be done later on

[opaque shadow]

She does

[covert nest]

but theyre funny

[ruby ermine]

Highkey we need an Eva fight in godhome

[zealous thicket]

Leave my #2 goat alone

[tight viper]

You think that’s impressive? Try doing Moss Mother without tools

[stiff briar]

shoulda been a boss fight if cursed

[sinful wave]

So second sentinel was created to mimic combat capabilities for citadel protection

[tawdry valley]

100% completion in game is always attainable.
2 non-counted entires can be missed - you do not need to worry about these for the journal mark

[mental magnet]

let them cook

[floral kindle]

Nerf all tools, limit architect to 2 bind repairs, remove shards

[errant orchid]

the only thing that can be missed are some optional fights that give bestiary entries that are also optional so no

[sinful wave]

Why do yall think the other sentinels got deactivated?

[zealous thicket]

If they nerf stuff, more people will cry about the game being hard and then it will get nerfed

[opaque shadow]

*3

[severe steeple]

Nahh shards should stay because otherwise you would just spamm out all tools between benches

[tawdry valley]

imo to build this one which is supposedly special

[zealous thicket]

Cause the ones in charge of them got controlled too

[ruby ermine]

Rattleballs type shit

[chilly glacier]

I just kinda wish there was a lil bit more to do

[errant orchid]

whats the 3rd i know about garmond and shakra

[covert nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733823810213773363/1274592400169238552/togif-4-2.gif

[ruby ermine]

Second Sentinel in general gives Rattleballs vibes

[dull rover]

I see i was worried cuz someone said ill miss an achievement if i ||dont do the act 2 final boss while doing the witch quest||

[terse stone]

A challenging boss that can be used as an alternative to getting sylphsong

[tawdry valley]

Gaming chair
HAHAHAHAHA

[chilly glacier]

Act 3 is almost lacking in content compared to 1 and 2, and only takes as long as it does because the bosses are hard.

[opaque shadow]

I believe palestag is missable

[dull rover]

sry wrong tag 🥲

[mental magnet]

false

[errant orchid]

yeah you cant get that if you either go to act 3 or finish witch quest...

[sinful wave]

you’ll miss it but it’s a really hard achievement i thimk

[dull rover]

I see

[sinful wave]

relatively hard

[tawdry valley]

Act 3 changes the whole game and has variable content depending on when you enter it so nah, I’d say the act and its modifiers are p good

[gaunt shuttle]

silksong ascended version of moss mother where all of her attacks deal triple damage

[dull rover]

Thx

[zealous thicket]

No

[floral kindle]

So what
Shards are only there to make architect less broken. For everything else it doesn't matter unless you die a lot and now you gotta grind money for bundles. It punishes experimenting, it punishes those who die more than the expected amount

[chilly glacier]

I never said it wasn't, it just feels like there's not a lot to do outside of just.. bosses on bosses.

[opaque shadow]

You get a 60+ hr game for like 26$ cad

[leaden widget]

For the first time ever I ahve to give up on a boss

[terse stone]

I think realistically the boss rush version of her is probably going to be the duo version

[stiff briar]

holy shit, rare AI win

[errant orchid]

has like at least 9 new and cool bosses off the top of my head lol

[tawdry valley]

There is though, and I’d say the bosses are the best part of the game besides the exploration loop - which is continued in act 3 and arguably never ends lol

[candid dock]

which

[chilly glacier]

those don't look like flea's, get that hellspawn outta here

[floral kindle]

This ain't a win

[gaunt shuttle]

fym ai win

[covert nest]

I'm peeved that I now have to do twisted child on a new file, because I can't just do it after my speedrun file is over

[cerulean sable]

AI and win is an oxymoron sorry

[leaden widget]

Double widow

[opaque shadow]

Honestly the constant pogos would be hype, I dont understand why people hate on nyleth

[cerulean sable]

nyleth is cool

[terse stone]

What did it do to the fleas 💔 🥀

[tawdry valley]

The fleas look like sheep and there’s weirdly printed money

[floral kindle]

Nyleth is ass
Completely negates shaman

[tawdry valley]

You change hornet’s face and nothing about this feels like hollow knight lol

[candid dock]

how many attempts that doesnt sound too bad

[cerulean sable]

of yoi ge5 gitlh855

[leaden widget]

89 4 hours

[candid dock]

Jesus nvm

[tawdry valley]

That’s funny cause it’s probably the boss most vulnerable to shaman.

Have you considered pressing the grapple button (dodging and attacking?)

[stiff briar]

AI is never gonna take over at this rate, sigh

[chilly glacier]

all I'm saying is I hope there's DLC focused on giving new content to act 3

[leaden widget]

It seems easy on paper but so many attacks over lap

[noble jolt]

why is she worried

[severe steeple]

I never felt that way. I used tools on all my crests and experimented often. Unless you lost a bunch of rosaries or are in act 1 you shouldnt run out of money really. I think a more effective change would be to make those shell shard deposists actually give more shellshards

[covert nest]

Nyleth is cool but is the second best boss with the Nyleth theme

[viscid turret]

RIP world mod.

[calm cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dmc-dmc5-dmc-5-gn-gif-949100384143971295

[opaque shadow]

How?

[terse stone]

You just, Y’know, can’t heal

[gaunt shuttle]

why are you saying that like its a bad thing bro

[floral kindle]

You literally can't heal

[opaque shadow]

"Sigh"

[candid dock]

I see

[tawdry valley]

No, I hope the dlc is focused on postgame content, like a new game +, an actually challenging combat arena, and A HALL OF GODS PLEASE TC PLEASE

[viscid turret]

Injector band + multibinder goes HARD

[tawdry valley]

She has like 3 attacks

[severe steeple]

Please TC give me a Broodmother 2

[covert nest]

I'll be honest I tried it and I just dont fw multibinder

[tawdry valley]

“No floor” doesn’t work here, touch a wall or jump over them, nyleth is underbaked at best

[covert nest]

I like my speedy three mask bind too much

[terse stone]

No.

[tawdry valley]

https://tenor.com/view/you-to-me-gif-5464565068190392814

[gaunt shuttle]

godhome entering silksong fits into the lore of godhome in general so its likely

[tawdry valley]

It doesn’t need to be godseekers I just want a hall of gods

[opaque shadow]

Oh right that, why does shaman have that tho. Also solution:dont get hit, and the drop heal is bad against basically every fast ground boss and is the slowest anyway

[tawdry valley]

Pantheons would be nice too but apparently people don’t like em so whatever ig

[errant orchid]

? \

[severe steeple]

What if godhome dlc gives variants to bossfights. Vengful Muckfly canon?

[floral kindle]

It's still ass design to remove healing from a crest
Should we design Karmelita to always block red tool at all times too

[covert nest]

They're wrong, whoever they are

[opaque shadow]

Subjective af

[errant orchid]

everyone loves them pantheons lol

[split cape]

Now we need a boss whos the example of this

[mortal bluff]

This image should be better

[tawdry valley]

Even then she’s walking threadstorm food and has 4 attack patterns

[terse stone]

Infected lifeblood lost lace

[mental magnet]

yes please

[severe steeple]

can't wait for great great grandmother Silk with the cursed crest binding

[errant orchid]

grey prince in s tier 💔

[candid dock]

Put groal higher

[civic bolt]

Pure Lace time

[tawdry valley]

And the no healing is for phase 2 only, just blow up your silk bar already

[opaque shadow]

Solution: fall into thorns then heal on the platform

[fiery breach]

I want a romance dlc with shakra

[solid pawn]

i would like to fight prime gms

[light swan]

both lost kin and second sentinel should be higher imo

[gaunt shuttle]

ascended crust king khann 💭💭💭💭 imagine

[covert nest]

God I love these games so much

[mortal bluff]

He is. He has a ton of quality moves and mix ups, additionally he thematically is perfect

[civic bolt]

Lost Lace made me thankful that AbsRad was the final boss in HK

[fiery breach]

Me too fr

[opaque shadow]

Yeah grandma washed right now

[opaque shadow]

WOWEEE! ITS EVEN MORE MID

[split cape]

We doing tierlists again?

[light swan]

dlc, trust !! (kind of like pure vessel hopefully)

[mortal bluff]

Second sentinel is way too easy. Lost kin is fantastic, but pushes the three move moveset to its limits

[tawdry valley]

Grandmother silk rematch doesn’t sound that interesting tbh.

[covert nest]

do you guys think its "grandmother silk" or "grand mother" as in a mother that is grand

[surreal junco]

||how do you fight garmond?||

[candid dock]

4th chorus cannot be this high

[tawdry valley]

Both I think actually

[hardy tangle]

pure vessel please cradle me like your baby

[split cape]

Ever heard of a opinion

[opaque shadow]

Second sentinel is good

[gaunt shuttle]

do u think theres like this super secret in silksong no one has discovered yet

[fiery breach]

Lacesong

[storm eagle]

Today's PSA.

If you don't like someone, don't give them the middle finger. It's rude.

||Give them every finger. Across the face.||

[covert nest]

I'd accept that

[mortal bluff]

Fourth chorus seems a bit lacking in the moves department, and is a tad too easy in my opinion. Widow can be an argued S but has too many bell attacks not enough unique stuff

[light swan]

theyre both too easy but i dont think that should stop them from being amazing, lost kin i dont actually remember why i liked it so much but its just so fun even if its not as difficult as id wish

[candid dock]

Do you? Cause I just expressed mine

[opaque shadow]

It has to be before high halls gauntlet 😭

[fiery breach]

What about a high five across the face with a rusty chair?

[surreal junco]

fuck

[civic bolt]

4th Chorus deserves S through theme alone

[mortal bluff]

B tier is good bosses lol

[civic bolt]

Also for an early game fight it's great

[split cape]

I like the boss because of the music

[mental magnet]

bro two playthroughs and I didn't know

[hardy tangle]

fight drags on

[fiery breach]

This.

[fleet reef]

Can ||savage beastfly 2|| be skipped with the exploding thing on the arena

[frail pivot]

Secret passage u gotta take from whispering vaults -> bilewater -> whispering vaults

[storm eagle]

I mean... u gotta get a rusty chair, and it'll have only one use.

Your fingers got more uses than just that

[mental magnet]

dumbest shit

[covert nest]

Fourth chorus is early ik but I would be very on board for buffing him

[fiery breach]

What if it's a really sturdy rusty chair

[vernal canopy]

it feels like fourth chorus generates less silk i stg

[opaque shadow]

Yeah, even in the rest of act 2 its inaccessible so I didn't get it either 😭

[split cape]

The comically large boulder above its head in phase 3:

[candid dock]

4th chorus feels like it's missing a second phase where it does some crazy shit imo. Too big of a boss to be doing so little

[storm eagle]

[surreal junco]

i thought he would be like shakra

[split cape]

CHAPEL MAID GET YO ASS HOME

[opaque shadow]

Yeah, garmond, why cant you be more like shakra

[fiery breach]

You also proc the tetanus debuff

[frail pivot]

|| GMS while cursed is pretty fun tho it only took 4-5 attempts ||

[opaque shadow]

Yeah, garamond, why cant you be more like shakra

[severe steeple]

A little underwhelming honestly. I think it could have also dropped something maybe a quest item for the Forge Daughters or something

[mental magnet]

good

[errant orchid]

yeah i wish there was a refight or smth could have been so much cooler

[split cape]

How will you get || everbloom || now

[hardy tangle]

still at laest introduce like 1 new attack

[stiff briar]

snails are delicious in melted butter

[mental magnet]

aw man

[surreal junco]

fifth chorus

[split cape]

Better then whatever broodmother is

[severe steeple]

molten chorus

[terse stone]

Yeah like maybe after you got Clawline

[viscid turret]

awesome

[hardy tangle]

yeah i think fourth chorus is great its like a high A tier boss but theres room to improve

[covert nest]

Groal

[severe steeple]

dry bowser type rematch for fourth chorus: molten chorus

[split cape]

https://youtu.be/MGKUUR3cE6A?si=pYkWrAHqiQihdpzd mods fix the issue

[severe steeple]

doesnt make sense I know

[fleet reef]

Can we make father of the flame more interesting, he could be fun if there's harder platforming section in the fights legit

[viscid turret]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[surreal junco]

oh no

[severe steeple]

bro its a fine bossfight. It excels at being unique

[subtle saddle]

"The floor? What floor?"

[surreal junco]

the floor is the four heads now

[civic bolt]

Father is a good fight already imo not everything has to be S tier difficulty to be good

[mental magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-boss-the-crawfather-crow-gif-10007010360377671985

[hardy tangle]

unironically i think it would be cool to see this guy but with 2 more arms as some godhome harder boss fight thingy

[opaque shadow]

I love having like no arena

[severe steeple]

All father of flame needs is a tool that doesnt suck

[split cape]

Average Markoth warmup

[opaque shadow]

Hurts my eyes

[fleet reef]

Crawfather melted by everything in the universe saddens me

[surreal junco]

team cherry try to make a summon weapon that costs soul be actually useful challenge

[tawdry sierra]

replaying silksong feels weird

[naive geyser]

Wisp thicket is the most nothing area i have ever seen so far

[viscid turret]

Truly the greatest musician

[surreal junco]

doesnt even get a spot on the map

[severe steeple]

Somehow it misses more than grimmchild

[unique topaz]

Hi guys! you know which channel I can use to report a issue to Team Cherry?

[naive geyser]

Read pins

[surreal junco]

how the hell

[viscid turret]

Its supposed to be like a wierd "the fog-like" area from dark sou;s

[civic bolt]

Glowing Womb is a good vibe charm

[vernal canopy]

coming into this game from beating hollow knight feels like absolute ass

like I suddenly don't have double jump anymore and my needle takes 8 years to kill anything

[unique topaz]

Thank you man

[severe steeple]

Alot of rooms it just runs into the wall. Probably not for bosses though

[opaque shadow]

Markoth to ascended nyleth if we get silksong godhome: "finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary"

[surreal junco]

and now that ive beaten silksong i cant imagine going back to hollow knight

[fleet reef]

Not if you're playing aggresively and utilise tools more

Everything dies faster than HK lol

[vernal canopy]

im doing fourth chorus rn with base nail and only straight pin and it feels like the fight is taking 20 years

[civic bolt]

I'd say Hollow Knight even without the DLCs had the better bosses and lore, everything else Silksong does better though imo

[subtle saddle]

Going back to Hollow Knight is going to feel so weird, because I love how fast paced Silksong is.

Hornet's mobility makes bosses so much fun.

[fleet reef]

I mean you can just skip that fight entirely

[vernal canopy]

knight's directional movement is a lot cleaner, there's no inertia on turning around

[surreal junco]

i have to mash the dash button to get anywhere like a caveman

[fast shale]

really? that fight takes like a minute for me
granted, spamming silk spear makes it go so much faster

[hardy tangle]

i also prefer hk npcs over ss

[vernal canopy]

you can hit him with silk spear from that far up?

[surreal junco]

use it on the attacks where it dips down

[fleet reef]

When he's down or he's smashing his hands

[fast shale]

when fourth chorus attacks the head dips so you can hit a spear

[fleet reef]

I like to hit 5 times -> 1 silkspear when he's down

[fast shale]

btw fourth chorus is they/them but not cause gender, but because they are literally a collective

[severe steeple]

Whats worse: Heavy Blow or Egg of Flealia

[surreal junco]

heavy blow

[fleet reef]

Ah yea souls of the damned

[subtle saddle]

They think therefore they are or smth.

[slender helm]

weird that no one made a tutorial for making a backup for restore points similar to that video

works the same

[fresh dagger]

Egg of flealia isn’t that bad

[split cape]

New ship unlocked

No floor 💞

[surreal junco]

egg of flealia is pretty good with shaman

[remote silo]

Am i now the ranger that must be called everytime someone disrespectes the goat? (Because i like it)

[severe steeple]

I tried to use it but its kinda just worse than weavelight in every way

[fleet reef]

Burn them in a fire ❤️

[slender helm]

Do you guys think it's necessary? Would people find that tutorial video helpful if it exists?

[civic bolt]

Groal is fat

[naive geyser]

No he's going to the gym and he's on a diet now.

[remote silo]

In Bilewater you either eat enough to be fat or you die

[fast shale]

idk anything with the requirement of "never get hit" is rather annoying to use for anyone but advanced players

[hardy tangle]

what even is nyleth its like she tried to be hot and sexy like white lady but failed cus of her chopped haircut

[subtle saddle]

I want to use Shaman but I am so attached to the Reaper crest because I've used it for most of my playthrough.

[fresh dagger]

Shaman already leans towards hitless play, so egg of flealia is quite good for stuff without too much rng

[fleet reef]

Run a 2nd playthrough, makes me utilise more tools lol

[fast shale]

honestly reaper to shaman is better than other crests to shaman since at least the attack speeds are similar

[naive geyser]

Shaman has a very unique playstyle, might take some gettung used to, but its very cool imo

[remote silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[surreal junco]

i love shaman i just wish it wasnt act 3 exclusive

[fast shale]

definitely

[subtle saddle]

I rarely use tools because I'm always broke on shards lol.

[surreal junco]

why is reaper crest like the only one to have a slander gif like this

[fleet reef]

Woe to all non-knockbackable bosses, melted to shreds

[split cape]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-beast-crest-bocchi-kita-gif-14742515943086903638

[naive geyser]

I mean, shaman is based on silk skills so you wouldn't have much use earlygame

[fleet reef]

How is that even possible

[severe steeple]

not that big of a deal with potential future dlc

[fast shale]

what crest you use is mostly based around how soon you actually get it

[hardy tangle]

theres mods to unlock all crests

[subtle saddle]

I don't know.

[remote silo]

Pinmaster flinney

[fast shale]

oh i got a funny clip for this one

[surreal junco]

i mean 5/6 silk skills are available act 2

[naive geyser]

Thats essentially cheating tho :(

[fleet reef]

Explore more ig, get beast shard from bosses

[split cape]

Shaman would have been an absolute power house if it wasnt found until act 3

[tidal hearth]

Guys I defeated this boss but I don't know his name 😭 (Also, he's not actually dead I can still hit him XD)

[split cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073293532514766860/1417761643609325639/attachment.gif

[subtle saddle]

Trobbio.

[viscid turret]

Probably the cogwork dancer

[remote silo]

His name is Geoal

[surreal junco]

thats grimm

[tidal hearth]

When I return he plays dead

[sonic wren]

It would be fun if there was a new game plus mode where all crests are unlocked but you gotta get the memory lockets again just to keep it interesting

[fleet reef]

Wanderer is also pretty good for how early you get it in the game

[remote silo]

Kill them all fuck thise guys i hate Snails ||shamans||

[tidal hearth]

Thank you

[hardy tangle]

starting with a specific crest isnt really cheating, its just a diff playstyle

[split cape]

Anything to use this image

[severe steeple]

all crests except beast crest are good

[tidal hearth]

Bruh I completed Hollow Knight XD

[surreal junco]

you mispelled reaper

[split cape]

HOW DO I BEAT THIS ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE (e1331 post no way)

[viscid turret]

I have nothing to flex and i must flex

[surreal junco]

thank you e1331

[viscid turret]

?? reaper is awesome

[tidal hearth]

Really??

[amber forum]

You have to get the Silksong

[split cape]

I just realized its e1331

[fleet reef]

Have you ever tried shawing that gekdu

[naive geyser]

Idk maybe i'm just a purist

[severe steeple]

only the passive is a little overtuned. Architect crest exists too

[surreal junco]

imo its the worst one (not by a lot though)

[sonic wren]

I just wish beast’s berserk mode bind was a little longer

[viscid turret]

Its the best crest against airborne enemies

[severe steeple]

Oh you think Reapers is bad. Maybe if youre the speedrunner type

[twin quest]

[fast shale]

beast crest users missing their attack:

[outer berry]

Anyone here got the plat?

[fleet reef]

Who is a witch crest main here, I've never seen those yet

[fast shale]

yeah no, that's still wanderers. reaper has deadzones to a lot of its attacks

[naive geyser]

Thats beast

[fresh dagger]

Hello

[viscid turret]

Honestly anyone who misses attacks has a skill issue

[outer berry]

How hard is the 100% speedrun?

[ocean bridge]

you can make it longer with multibinder

each time you lifesteal a mask it increases the duration

[viscid turret]

Verti attack does not have any deadzones, what are you on?

[surreal junco]

30 hours seems really generous

[sonic wren]

Oooh I gotta play with that

[severe steeple]

witch crest unusable without quick bind bro

[fast shale]

i got my thoughts mixed (but also this same thing happens to reaper)

[naive geyser]

Not if you play well, this also applies to beast

[sonic wren]

I feel like it’s more the range on witch crest’s drain bind than the duration that frustrates me

[surreal junco]

injector band + claw mirrors + multibinder just feels like its the default toolset for witch

[sonic wren]

I don’t suppose there’s a way to make it Bigger

[woeful gale]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[outer berry]

Did you try it yet? i was trying to get a good guide before attempting

[stuck oyster]

Can I fight other act 3 bosses after lost lace?

[severe steeple]

And I tried to make an actual with build with runerage

[split cape]

Beast is just spam attack or you fucking die lmao

[midnight trout]

Jobs vro 🎋

[stuck oyster]

Or do they disappear

[naive geyser]

Yes if you havent beaten them yet

[surreal junco]

havent done the achievement but my steel soul run is like halfway done at 10 hours and ive barely been trying to go fast

[fresh dagger]

I personally try to play witch hitless and just stay away from the bind. I prefer using the needle strike

[fleet reef]

I backtracked like 20 times and got 10 hours to spare

[woeful gale]

no you're forever looked into act4 when you go to the abyss

[stuck oyster]

[fresh dagger]

You can leave the abyss

[outer berry]

Sheesh, that’s a relief to know

[fleet reef]

Wiki is good enough for a guide

[woeful gale]

them is crazy work

[stuck oyster]

I just dont wanna do coral tower

[outer berry]

Nice, good luck on the rest of the run 💪

[sonic wren]

act 4 would be crazy

[woeful gale]

what in the actual

[viscid turret]

I mean skill issue if you need a guide lmao

[surreal junco]

im probably going to die to the first arena of ||act 3||

[severe steeple]

nameless hill 🔥

[cobalt rampart]

is lace 2 hard im on steel soul and nervous lol

[candid dock]

Doing too much final boss

[fleet reef]

Hollow Knight: Lace loom

[left hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/reaper-crest-silkpost-silksong-average-average-reaper-crest-user-gif-11428658938507077422

[sonic wren]

But god I wanna see it. Please. De-Void everything 😭

[viscid turret]

Skill issue asf

[surreal junco]

i beat her easily and got down to 1hp only 3 times

[left hedge]

every reaper user ever

[split cape]

Make sure to complete your flea games before starting act 4 btw

[fleet reef]

Her attack tells are pretty obvious

[viscid turret]

People who play like this dont exist

[subtle saddle]

I recently just went and grabbed the surface memento with reaper.

[outer berry]

Ill check it out, thanks

[surreal junco]

why is this gif used to mock reaper crest pogoing things is like the one thing its good at

[cobalt rampart]

i almost died to the arena for conductors melody and now my heartrate is going

[woeful gale]

cus it's funny

[surreal junco]

that is a good argument

[viscid turret]

its really not

[woeful gale]

it is

[viscid turret]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[fleet reef]

You just run through the map and check what you've missed later lol, that's what I did anyways you can look up what's inside each area first before continuing to explore

[split cape]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-beast-crest-bocchi-kita-gif-14742515943086903638

[naive geyser]

This is like showing shaman crest users are horrible at using silk skills by showing a gif when silk skills is one of the things shaman is good at.

[surreal junco]

why must the slander stop at beast and reaper

[cobalt rampart]

this is hunters crest mains wdym

[woeful gale]

nah

[fast shale]

when people talk about reaper deadzones it's this shit
makes it a lot harder to hit enemies especially ones that dodge (since the attacks are slow)

[native canyon]

oh fuck lol

[viscid turret]

Skill issue

[sonic wren]

Honestly this gif is only me with wanderers crest tbh

[fast shale]

nah hunter crest is when you get hit

[native canyon]

I missed my chance to spread second sentinel agenda I'm crying

[ruby ermine]

Where is witch mains when theyre 1cm too far from an enemy....

[split cape]

Git gud

[woeful gale]

talking about skill issue but doesn't even have 112% 🥀

[cobalt rampart]

ik

[naive geyser]

Groal is better

[viscid turret]

we still discussing Eva's origins?

[severe steeple]

I used reapers crest when fighting hard to hit enemies. The range more than makes up for it

[fast shale]

how about i just don't use the low dps crest with attack deadzones

[viscid turret]

good for you ig

[sonic wren]

wanderers crest pogo kills me so often vs reapers crest pogo is like easy mode pogoing

[fast shale]

saves me the hassle

[naive geyser]

Eater of worlds

[surreal junco]

no way the crest with small range has smaller range than the crest with big range

[woeful gale]

also you can graphically show how little does the reaper crest do (In a short gif)

[fast shale]

opposite for me, wanderer's is almost instant while reapers takes a moment to actually pogo

[cobalt rampart]

im hunters main

[subtle saddle]

I mean everyone has their preferences, no crest is really outwardly superior than the other by a drastic margin.

[fast shale]

no... it's wanderers, by like a lot

[split cape]

THATS MY GOAT.... AND THEY'RE THROWING HANDS

[sonic wren]

I like to gently float over the intended pogo target and take my sweet time

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/homestuck-true-morgan-freeman-jack-noir-bec-noir-gif-75525523300872181

[naive geyser]

The fact that everyone has such divided opinions on crests actually kinda proves that each crest is different and not one is better over the other

[viscid turret]

Grand reeds are epic

[native canyon]

FUCK WRONG GIF IGNORE THE TRUTH MILES

[split cape]

BELL HERMIT GET YO ASS HOME

[fast shale]

later bosses don't let you do that, like lace and skarrsinger, since they enjoy the practice of jump attacks

[slim thorn]

love these kind of maps

i can see tc doing something like that with enough time

[viscid turret]

Idk why but Grand reeds are my favourate enemy

[woeful gale]

there should be a SS-general channel tbh

[surreal junco]

i think architect is just actually the best if you have the money to go all out with it though

[silver nacelle]

Pal. Jump and use neutral attack for the overhead arc. That covers the area not covered by the up slash.

[split cape]

CARETAKEEEEER GET YO ASS HOME

[viscid turret]

Theres something different about big booga bow stick

[native canyon]

anyways I'm feeling happy I made a save file for every act 1 boss and I plan to do act 2 tomorrow

[sonic wren]

Lace I don’t find difficult to pogo at all tbh

Her tells for when she is going to jump are pretty clear

[fast shale]

im talking LL, i can get so many extra hits in thanks to wanderer while pogoing

[sonic wren]

Yeah I meant her

[split cape]

yum

[sonic wren]

The main reason I switched away from reaper is just all the other shit she was throwing at me lol

[severe steeple]

Yellow tools piss me of there is no build variety in them

[naive geyser]

Pogoing ll is one of the main ways you can deal damage to her lol

[sonic wren]

I might give her a more honorable try later

[fast shale]

that's just false, tested it right now, the neutral air attack still has the down/up arc so you'll miss stuff every 2nd attack

[split cape]

Dice is the only good one and thats it

[native canyon]

weighted belt is good on wanderer

[kind lily]

that thing looks like it has 10 different viruses

[naive geyser]

Silkspeed?

[ancient lintel]

okay guys, uhh... quick question,
if i accidentally kill the wardenfly who's supposed to capture me with the cage in Far Fields, is there any other way to explore the Slab fully?

[sonic wren]

I always have wall cling on by default

[fast shale]

and wanderer's lets you do it best, i can get away with hitting her on the 2nd charge even when she does the jump attack
found that's not really possible with witch

[native canyon]

prevents you from getting annihilated by your own knockback

[cobalt rampart]

bro lace 2 is not easy on 5 masks

[remote silo]

Hey since they have MuckMaggots nearby they should add them to the meat

[untold dune]

im pretty sure this is intentional, since yellow tool slots are meant to be like explorationy ones

[fleet reef]

And for some reason wanderer gives you 3 lockets of yellow tools (4 if vesti)

[fresh dagger]

You can get in with the apostates key

[silver nacelle]

That's because you're spamming attacks. You're not supposed to spam attacks with reaper unless against an unmoving grounded target.

[native canyon]

midspeed anklets, wasting precious silk that could be spent on harpoons, skills, or heals

[naive loom]

guys is the memorium like a zoo orsmth

[buoyant garden]

Why does nyleth kinda sound like an inkling?

[ancient lintel]

ah right, thanks for the info

[naive geyser]

It isnt even that bad you barely lose any silk

[fast shale]

sounds a lot like this crest sucks then because it punishes me for spamming attacks... something I should be doing no matter the crest

[wind compass]

they take time to eat the silk, and you can just hit an enemy once to get all the silk back

[untold dune]

i saw it as like the svalbard seed vault combined with a zoo

[tough mulch]

who would've thought juggling fleas would be harder than the absolute radiance

[fleet reef]

More like a sanctuary to keep endangered species alive

[sonic wren]

Kinda but I feel like “conservatory” is more the idea

[severe steeple]

But thats not the case for all of them. Barbed bracelet and magic dice as clearly combat focused

[remote silo]

Neutral air? Vro we aint playing smash bros

[lost zinc]

yo guys, which is one harder? knightmare king grimm or widow

[naive loom]

you do realise you can make it not take away silk if u stop running and then run again right?

[tough mulch]

losing my mind on this ecstasy of the end

[remote silo]

Widow 100%

[fast shale]

that's what they called it, neutral attack in air

[naive geyser]

Nkg, at least for me

[sonic wren]

why widow and not first sinner

[stiff briar]

fuck I give up trying to convince chatgpt to put accurate fleas on a 2000s trap album cover, where is this $500 billion going anyways

[subtle saddle]

Sorta yeah. Y'know like how some zoos keep endangered species in captivity so they don't go extinct.

[lone sapphire]

going for 100%30h now

[untold dune]

nkg easily?

[silver nacelle]

It's a different playstyle. The game doesn't care what you think a crest should do.

[warped rock]

whats the stupid enemy that tries to steal silk and turn that silk into sharp pillars called

[fringe jungle]

what kind of comparison is this lmfao

[dark pollen]

[naive loom]

one of then is pmo that thing with the horns

[fleet reef]

Easier than you think

[native canyon]

[lone sapphire]

i thought so too seeing the list actually

[remote silo]

Stealing all your precious bilehaven data

[twin quest]

[dark pollen]

WHY DOESNT THIS COUNT

[native canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1424147158625550416/second_senti.gif

[fast shale]

being a different playstyle doesn't mean the crest is suddenly absolved of being bad

[lone sapphire]

wait until you see se- ok nvm

[warped rock]

please

[cobalt rampart]

brb killing myself

[dark pollen]

I ALREADY KNOW DONT EVEN

[lone sapphire]

silk spider? silker?

[native canyon]

clawmaiden

[light swan]

clawmaidens

[severe steeple]

its called the hunters journal

[noble jolt]

"Ominous birth enthusiast" is a combination of words I don't think has ever been formulated before

[subtle saddle]

Clawmaiden.

[stiff briar]

lace be like "tee-hee-hee"

[lone sapphire]

ok but why do i find conducter arena 100x harder than gms and lace 2 combined wtf

[fast shale]

you can actually permanently destroy the clawmaidens in act 2 if u have double jump

[warped rock]

i'm not at my puter and the wiki don't have it

[remote silo]

Poland and pol-haven with the boss Groland the great

[cobalt rampart]

its steel soul

[light swan]

that arenas the worst in the game !!!

[lone sapphire]

TRUE

[native canyon]

trolled

[lone sapphire]

took me forever i just toolspammed honestly

[split cape]

You guys serve pierogi

[untold dune]

high halls arena is an honorary boss battle

[silver nacelle]

Yes it does. It means you aren't compatible with that playstyle. It isn't for you.

[native canyon]

hard disagree, craw arena says hello

[fast shale]

lack of prep? you have so many items and equipment to go grab before taking it

[severe steeple]

wheres all the Bilewater hate

[native canyon]

the forum is pretty fun, craw arena makes me wanna rip my hair out

[stiff briar]

oof, how many hours?

[remote silo]

They have hidden once i came back

[lone sapphire]

actually no, i was on speedrun save (at around the 4h mark) so i couldn't go grab materials bcuz of lace2 and gms taking some time

[split cape]

High halls arena made me learn to use tools

[fast shale]

No it doesn't
Like in the first HK, there's just objectively better playstyles, like spells early game

[light swan]

i surprisingly never had trouble with craws much less craw arena personally, maybe im a different breed of witch users idk

[lone sapphire]

exactly, 1st tried crawfather and took me like 5 tries for craw arena

[remote silo]

What about silkspear threadstorm and cross stitch they are all act 1 stuff

[native canyon]

doing craw arena when you enter greymoor is a hellish experience

[fast shale]

huh, I didn't have that much trouble on my speedrun save, though I prepped for the room first by grabbing cogflies

[normal token]

High halls is the watcher knights of silksong
Aka learn to multi-task

[native canyon]

squatcraws are acutally the worst enemies in the game

[lone sapphire]

ahh gotcha, i had TWO red tools, the longpin and straightpin so i had no choice but to use those

[cobalt rampart]

2 hr 30

[cobalt rampart]

it feels like much longer than it actually is

[native canyon]

watcher knights if it didn't suck ass

[untold dune]

high halls is more of an endurance battle tbf

[subtle lichen]

Fuck Verdania all my homies hate Verdania

[ocean bridge]

bober kurwa bober

[lone sapphire]

watcher knights if they werent 400x fatter

[remote silo]

Watcher knights if it sucked

[fast shale]

im talking the original HK (because spells early game there are just better than nail)

Anyway, speaking of playstyles, threadstorm was objectively the best spell and best playstyle (spamming threadstorm) before it's nerf

[severe steeple]

wow

[light swan]

i guess i did craw arena like after i finished all of greymoor and shellwood too i think, because i went left first as opposed to right so i was maybe a little overpowered but squatcraws are just so predictable it makes them easy to dodge, attacking them is the same problem with every flying enemy i think probably

[lone sapphire]

yes threadstorm is peak, although im a pale nails kinda guy, aimbot is the BEST

[silver nacelle]

Buddy, it's a game. Not a sweaty tryhard speedrun marathon.

Not everyone wants to fight like their life will end if they don't win in 45 seconds.

[untold dune]

i was a thread storm main before it was deemed the meta

[subtle lichen]

Forward Charge is good for arenas

[woeful gale]

chat after i get all achievements what should i try to do?

[remote silo]

Gatekeeping threadstorm love

[subtle lichen]

Threadstorm can be finicky with certain enemies

[lone sapphire]

mementos if u havent

[fresh dagger]

Fight groal cursed

[woeful gale]

ABP5 or what

[native canyon]

I don't know what squatcraws you're fighting but you can't predict when they land and the telegraph is so hard to notice

[untold dune]

hegale

[severe steeple]

wait

[split cape]

Im seeing a pattern

[subtle lichen]

Ngl I just really hate Verdania

[remote silo]

So was that zote vengefly king thing an abortion allegory

[lone sapphire]

modded hks, mementos, clean up ur map by killing all voidmasses or just go back to hk

[subtle lichen]

Really hope killing that stupid Palestag is actually important

[untold dune]

greyroot, grey prince zote,

[native canyon]

this theory with zote is like the they/them theory for deltarune, it's just hype moments and aura with no actual evidence

[light swan]

just dash away if theyre above you idk, or dont stay below them (i personally found the telegraph fine tho, they hold up their dart things dont they?)

[lone sapphire]

who's gonna tell jsans

[fleet reef]

How many hrs y'all got on silksong atm?

[native canyon]

the telegraph for when they land

[severe steeple]

Why do people hate Palestag. Its just a nothing burger fight do people actually die to it?

[split cape]

Someone gotta tell game theory about this

[woeful gale]

voidmasses are a requirement for 100% so it's already checked (look at the message below)

[fast shale]

buddy, it's a game, I'm allowed to critique a crest for being bad
Beast crest isn't bad, but it's objectively good qualities are subjective to playstyle
Reaper crest is bad, objectively bad but subjectively good for players who need extra help and spend all their silk healing

[lone sapphire]

not all of them actually

[light swan]

steam says 240 for me but i have 90 + ~20 according to ingame menu]

[remote silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[lone sapphire]

only 12 required for maskshard, 47 are present throughout the map so there are still a bunch more you can kill, will make the map more bearable in act3

[light swan]

ah yea if i had to tell you the telegraph for that i wouldnt know either lol

[untold dune]

i just think its really really badly designed, and the runback sucks

[fast shale]

i love this gif (pretty sure theres one like this for beast crest pogo in hunters march)

[teal kindle]

I did it. Good game, Silksong.

[fleet reef]

Mine is 120 hrs, that's crazy

[subtle lichen]

Is it unnecessary to the conjoined heart

[lone sapphire]

87 hrs for me

[sonic wren]

Palestag wasn’t hard, I just died to it the first time because I suck

[fast shale]

the 4th heart is always a momento

[woeful gale]

well after that what

[subtle lichen]

Oh God does that mean I have to do the stupid ass arena

[untold dune]

172h (but 10 of those i left it open by accident so its more 160)

[native canyon]

need to bump up my numbers ngl, I'm practically a newgen with these hours

[fast shale]

momentos don't count towards %

[lone sapphire]

search for fun mods OR challenge yourself by killing bosses with only tools, or try speedrunning, but no extra content atm

[pulsar trellis]

a little disappointed that silksong does not have anything similar to colosseum of fools

[silver nacelle]

Your critique is fine, but calling the crest bad objectively when it's a subjective choice is not good.

Many ppl like Reaper, many ppl don't. It's subjective.

[lone sapphire]

crawfather technically?

[subtle lichen]

Do the Clover dancers not count towards 100%???

[untold dune]

i think coral tower is probably the closest

[light swan]

i feel like most of this is afk while im gone/doing hw ngl, theres no way its accurate

[lone sapphire]

court of craws is close as hell to collo

[untold dune]

only 3 of the 4 hearts are needed for 100%

[fleet reef]

I see

[sonic wren]

I just beat the game at 143 hours (though this is definitely inflated bc I like to leave my games running for the Background Music)

[native canyon]

coral tower exists and has a final boss better than god tamer

[lone sapphire]

lorewise and logic wise

[fast shale]

i have judged reaper by objective qualities - attack deadzones, lacking dps, ability isn't super relevant to high damage

[severe steeple]

not gameplay wise though

[surreal junco]

kinda wish coral tower was replayable

[lone sapphire]

fair

[lament whale]

somehow lost my 50 hours save file of silksong, its ggs for me

[light swan]

man i thought i was a genius for self-discovering the synergy with my favorite crest and my favorite tool sawtooth circlet but turns out on gms its like, the worst one 😭 evem tho sawtooth circlet is the best on gms

[subtle lichen]

But the arena is still required to fight the clover dancers right

[sonic wren]

reaper to me is simply a defensively oriented crest

[drowsy tiger]

do we need to use spoilers here if we are talking about endings?

[lone sapphire]

technically yes, but clover dancers isnt required for journal completion afaik

[woeful gale]

my wallet hurts with only tools

[light swan]

nah, spoilers are welcome in this channel

[untold dune]

i think so? i dont fully remember verdania routing

[drowsy tiger]

okiess ty

[sonic wren]

The extra silk generation, the slots, it’s not trying to be like, high dps speedrun meta

[surreal junco]

should anything be spoiler tagged?

[subtle lichen]

I hate this games obsession with Arenas, gonna fucking hate Khan if I decide to fight him

[fast shale]

the best defense is a good offence. this is why reaper fails
who cares if you can tank damage if you spend more time in a fight to take more damage?

meanwhile beast crest tanking damage while also dealing more damage

[native canyon]

I'm so excited for when I reach act 3 this time cause I'm making save files for every boss so I can use this as an excuse for a coral tower save file

[untold dune]

use courtesy when necessary but otherwise all spoilers are allowed

[lone sapphire]

khan isnt even that bad tbf, he's a GREAT fight very well telegraphed but the arena buildup to it sucks ass

[severe steeple]

Reaper is good for non aggressive play. Getting in 1 or 2 hits and backing off, exta Silk and a safe pogo

[sonic wren]

As long as you win either way, does it really matter lol

[surreal junco]

cool

[light swan]

nothing is required to be spoiler tagged, any spoiler tags are done out of respect than rules

[native canyon]

arenas are super fun, it's nice that we got actual tests of combat besides boss battles

[sonic wren]

It’s not like it’s a multiplayer game

[viscid turret]

I have now completed over 20 silksong runs

[native canyon]

the only arena that sucks is craw arena fuck the craw arena

[gloomy fjord]

Beast crest legit needs a nerf😭

[fast shale]

not to the average playthrough but for judging a crest's quality it does

[fresh dagger]

There’s a godhome mod that has all the stuff done already