sk-discussion

[brittle elbow]

eh it's easy, they always tell what they're doing next

[crystal ledge]

peak

[left hedge]

delete your username

[digital pilot]

the pure vessel focus attack thing was such a nice throwback loved that

[final magnet]

i know, this is my 2nd playthrough

[crystal ledge]

fax

[supple topaz]

first sinner is so gas idc if its easy the fight is so fire

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-boss-big-ass-big-chungus-fat-gif-6874985829013781556

[brittle elbow]

n o

[shrewd drum]

hidden, fun, extremely lore relevant, looks cool, balanced, 9/10

[rancid flare]

Peak af, fun learning cycle

[digital pilot]

Also loved how being aggressive is the best strategy against it

[noble jolt]

i'm doing a new play through and I'm going to see if there's dialogue for getting to act three without entering bellhart

[supple topaz]

9/10 boss fight -1 point because rune rage is ass

[slim thorn]

how much does this generate per hour?

[molten rover]

Yo that name...speaks the purest facts ever

[crystal ledge]

Y E S

[brittle elbow]

1 every 30s

[tight viper]

Like 10

[olive gale]

any tips for watcher? the shockwave of his attacks keep messing me up

[crystal ledge]

like 1 rosary after a minute of running

[elfin oasis]

Think it also caps out at 30 rosaries then you have to go spend 15 to bench and reset it

[crystal ledge]

PEAK FIGHT

[tight viper]

Go left

[crystal ledge]

dodge backwards almost never go forwards

[elfin oasis]

Become the parry king

[cloud kraken]

spend most of the fight walking away from him, then slap him once or twice when he's not attacking

[amber needle]

dude i was so fucking close. i was on the last big guy.

[cloud kraken]

also tools are good for keeping distance, needless to say

[slim thorn]

ok it is 37 seconds with silkspeed

[amber needle]

shooting myself immediately

[elfin oasis]

What tools are you using / can you get the double clappers without using your tools?

[stray kayak]

Act 2 is done

[digital pilot]

thoughts on this boss?

[unique root]

Does anyone have any tips for the boss at bile Haven?.... Or at least where a fucking closer bench is

[shrewd drum]

last big guy is actually easy compared to the lastest biggest guy

[ember thorn]

i went back to the same room gave myself the same stuff and it didnt put me in act 3 this time wtf

[olive gale]

like i said cling to the wall pollip pouch tacks, melts through the last two guys' health

[stray kayak]

Gonna start Act 3 tomorrow

[cloud kraken]

I dislike them

[silk totem]

fought them on act 3 and the runback sucked balls

[digital pilot]

there’s a hidden bench

[shrewd drum]

FUCK. them

[tawdry sierra]

why

[final magnet]

theyre awesome

[unique root]

Please send a screenshot or ANYTHING of where 😭

[supple topaz]

groal?

[unique root]

Yeah that fuckwr

[unique shore]

is there seriously no bench in verdania??!

[amber needle]

still doesn't stop the first like 10 waves from pissing me off

[tawdry sierra]

what is the worst boss other than beastfly and groal

[final magnet]

lost verdanias in the dream world

[supple topaz]

you can completly cheese the entire fight by staying in the bottom right in the maggot water. none of his attacks can hit you

[glacial kelp]

there is one!

[final magnet]

i genuinely just think pinstress is a bad boss

[unique shore]

so u need to run back through the whole thing every single time?!

[digital pilot]

final one before I go to bed
thoughts on this boss?

[twin quest]

[olive gale]

fair, you can also get rid of the silk vampires permanently

[amber needle]

she was a pretty fun fight ngl

[spiral pasture]

ss lore is very productive

[shrewd drum]

fun tbh i liked her

[cloud kraken]

I wish I wasn't overequipped when I found her

[slim thorn]

i like how she zooms off

[olive gale]

love her fight and aesthetic

[elfin oasis]

Pretty fun, but I wasn't quite as amazed by it as it seems a lot of people were

[unique shore]

bruh verdania run back is more crazy than bilewater ☠️

[spiral pasture]

head damage

[glacial kelp]

is nectar wine

[supple topaz]

@unique root you can also overdose on plasmium to heal during the fight if you do this strat (i did this)

[cloud kraken]

true, esp with the unskippable cutscene starting every attempt

[elfin oasis]

I think there's a couple of shortcuts you can find through-out? Maybe that's only after you've restored the memories

[ember thorn]

wtf am i meant to do

[digital pilot]

what if this was dropped off at your doorstep right now

[spiral pasture]

its the closest estimation

[jagged phoenix]

Game of the decade

[glacial kelp]

im closing the door

[tranquil wigeon]

It's a fun double boss

[olive gale]

check to see if theres a box supported by a stick over me

[elfin oasis]

I'd be very concerned but also sort of happy I guess

[candid dock]

mods find his house

[final magnet]

yall have any bosses you genuinely just think are bad?
not circumstances surrounding where the boss is placed (take groal for example), which one do you wholeheartedly think isnt designed good
for me its pinstress

[visual crystal]

Do i lose hte chance to get the || hunters memento || if i dont kill every || verdania ||enemy enough?

[shrewd drum]

it sucks when you accidentally stumble upon the coolest bossfight but then realize you're too late for it and give it the ass beating of shame and regret

[digital pilot]

savage beastfly

[golden meadow]

try the modded version 😄

[tranquil wigeon]

One of the better bosses of act 1, though a bit too similar to lace.

[slim thorn]

you cant scuttle it!

[tawdry sierra]

average underworks pay

[olive gale]

no you get them all completed if you beat the boss

[elfin oasis]

Pretty sure it finishes all dream entries for you if you kill the bosses in them

[slim thorn]

nothing

[final magnet]

why

[tranquil wigeon]

I was expecting something more different

[rancid flare]

Love how I just don’t heal here

[grand kayak]

silksong is good but it has no boss reveal as badass as you fighting the sun

[supple topaz]

i killed last judge late in act 2 and only did so because i needed the flea caravan to move

[fossil reef]

yeah wtf

[cloud kraken]

happened to me again with sentinel... at least ripping them to pieces with beast was kinda funny

[tawdry sierra]

what do they say if u wanna move with them but havent fought last judge

[digital pilot]

just has everything bad imo
no lore
just a bigger version of an enemy
basic attacks
predictable intro
not fun at all to fight
and it’s hard too

[fossil reef]

they tried with gms but it wasnt as good bc it was more obv and already done before

[grand kayak]

i think the most aura heavy boss in silksong is lace 2

[supple topaz]

they just give the same dialouge that theyre comfy where they are or whatever

[shrewd drum]

i liked how she had wise funny old lady aura but it got completely ruined by the fact that she's literally primal aspid as a boss

[amber needle]

i keep hearing this over and over without being told where i do this

[grand kayak]

the fact it goes from the cutscene to combat so smoothly

[final magnet]

doesnt moss mother do mostly all of these exact same things
also beastfly is easy imo

[cloud kraken]

also basically all of its difficulty is propped up by adds...

[tawdry sierra]

i wonder why they dont say that if i havent fought moorwing
also they cooked moorwing

[next nacelle]

js installed a mod for a interactive map, going to update you soon

[weak lantern]

you want to know exactly? a hint?

[shrewd drum]

sentinel is honestly fun but they give you the tiniest room ever its funny

[grand kayak]

beastfly is one of the bosses i struggled most on lol

[digital pilot]

I mean it is the first boss beastfly was like my sixth iirc

[olive gale]

you need double jump, theres an empty room above the arena, you push the cart to the end jump through a secret wall in the cieling, avoid the enemies and then jump up again and destroy the threads

[glacial kelp]

i feel beastfly's hitbox is a little jank maybe just me

[grand kayak]

???

[glacial kelp]

wait it's in hhg? wdym cart

[digital pilot]

I had to discover mid fighting it over and over again that the best way to kill them was to wait and have the beastfly get lucky and do it for me

[weak lantern]

well someone told you exactly just above lol

[tawdry sierra]

i still wonder why they changed the arena from the trailer

[digital pilot]

plus there were times I would get lucky or unlucky as the adds would spawn and sometimes they wouldn’t

[grand kayak]

told me what lol

[final magnet]

sometimes i feel like im playing a different game than yall, i found beastfly absurdly easy and found karmelita to be simple

[tranquil wigeon]

Yeah, you go up and fight her on a bed of roses, it's such a cool boss presentation wise

[weak lantern]

how to turn off silk vampires as someone called them

[odd sedge]

I love Second Sentinel, I found them during late Act 2 and it's a pretty fun fight, also one of the best npc fr, Second Sentinel and Twelfth Architect my beloved

[left hedge]

blessed playthrough

[digital pilot]

I found groal to be not that bad

[glacial kelp]

idk when did you do beastfly

[final magnet]

same

[elfin oasis]

Sharpdart works really well for both beastfly fights since its i-frames protect you from Beastfly himself while you're killing the adds with it

[grand kayak]

??????????
Please point to the message where I asked this

[placid hinge]

the dishwasher

[left hedge]

some place in|| high halls|| i think

[final magnet]

like, before last judge

[grand kayak]

What even is a silk vampire

[digital pilot]

like jumping into the maggot water made the fight way easier

[rapid lily]

ok im not very fond of ships but new niche ship chat! itll be named moonlight or sum shit

[grand kayak]

is it the spider things in citadel that yoink your silk

[glacial kelp]

clawmaidens

[cloud kraken]

I think those robots that steal your silk in the citadel

[grand kayak]

Yea

[final magnet]

i fought them straight up and it took like 3 attempts

[tawdry sierra]

radiance has more aura

[weak lantern]

sorry it was one comment up and chat moves fast my bad

[coarse leaf]

Here's mine

[grand kayak]

ahh np

[digital pilot]

good for u

[olive gale]

had to look up a video since im far away from it in game

[glacial kelp]

you can do it right after cloak so

[final magnet]

okay 👍

[rapid lily]

fr

[shrewd drum]

i see the vision

[tranquil wigeon]

I'd say Beastfly is not well liked mostly because at this stage of the game you're still getting used to the controls, and don't have most of your tools

[glacial kelp]

idk what "arena" this is but yeah i remember this and was confused by why i could push it

[final magnet]

it took me midway into act 2 to realize you could upgrade the needle

[rapid lily]

i said niche ship for a reason

[torn spear]

Rng depends if it takes a few minutes or a few thread storms

[elfin oasis]

Inb4 Radiance is a silk moth and decides to eat her 🙃

[olive gale]

the forum arena

[crimson drift]

Hornet what are you doing to that bug 💀

[odd sedge]

Honestly when fighting GMS I didn't think she was a final boss, was extremely a surprise when I beat her and the credit rolled in

[glacial kelp]

this is in the forum???

[weak lantern]

you, I was trying to ask if you want the exact answer or a hint on how to turn off the silk draining enemies

[rapid lily]

im supprised people didnt start to ship these 2 instantly

[rapid lily]

?

[viscid ledge]

Well, she ain’t the final final boss so at least you got that right
Kinda like hollow knight

[amber needle]

FUCK YOU.

[shrewd drum]

isnt that what lesbians usually do

[torn spear]

7 attempts on lace 2 them 1 attempt on her and I was surprised , I thought I was just gonna go to weaver mind space thingy

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-savage-beastfly-gif-8949373318765700054

[tranquil wigeon]

Beastfly is also just a shitty boss because of how unpredictable his trajectory during his charge attack is and how one of his adds is another 2 damage hitting big enemy

[amber needle]

GIMME THAT FUCKASS MELODY.

[main urchin]

Grandmoth

[glacial kelp]

act 2 bosses are fairly easy tbf like coggies and trobbio

[odd sedge]

Yeah I know, for some reason I thought after I beat GMS I'll go straight to Act 3

[main urchin]

That’s the ship name.

[torn spear]

Or that i'd get a new skill

[shrewd drum]

grandmoth is fire

[final magnet]

i cant really think of many bosses that stand out as difficult

[odd sedge]

Silksun

[olive gale]

good job, actually one of the worst parts of the game

[tranquil wigeon]

Like oh boy do I like putting 2 GIANT ENEMIES into one room

[rapid lily]

shit that sounds better, but like i called it moonlight cus of like "what are we gonna fight the sun" but instead its da moon

[weak lantern]

i did it before i had the quest, thought 'i have nothing to offer but my song' was a troll... couldnt actually learn it yet lol

[tight viper]

Grandmoth Tarkin

[rapid lily]

hollup thats also fire

[main urchin]

HAHAHAHA

[spare tangle]

Second sentinel has such a fun moveset to no hit, but the fact it can randomly leap forward sometimes with no attack correlation is kinda bs

[glacial kelp]

all bosses in this game feel fairly learnable so i sorta agree? it's more like if you had to do all of them at 5 masks and nail 0 which would you struggle on

[torn spear]

You fought garmond right.

[drowsy frigate]

funny that saws and artifical flies are top tier tools for most because..

[twin quest]

[main urchin]

You beat the hardest gauntlet!

[amber needle]

the sensibo guy?

[torn spear]

Yea

[digital pilot]

what boss got you like this after you beat them

[amber needle]

i didn't know you could fight him 😭

[shrewd drum]

hk bosses love to reposition into your face while you're on a good run

[normal token]

Karmelita

[rapid lily]

this ones my fav

[odd sedge]

Yeahhh that part of the game took me way too long until I said "You know what? Imma get super op and redo it.", Did Shakra quest and got her to help me with the room

[tight viper]

The secret Sherma fight

[glacial kelp]

tacks for the wall spikes

[main urchin]

Actually, makes some sense. She has a childhood connection with them, and thus she knows how they work better than most.

[rapid lily]

wait WHAT

[torn spear]

Was that the melody removing him as a boss ? i forgot . What melody makes garmond no longer challengeable ?

[amber needle]

okay so where do i slime the clawmaidens, i think its the last thing i need to do in high halls

[olive gale]

even funnier, the sawblades were added in his dreams

[odd sedge]

Oh yeah Sherma got voided during Act 3, he became the Vicar of Void

[final magnet]

i lowkey forgot i had the game open in the first place so i went back and killed em

[grand kayak]

i think one of my main criticisms for silksong is the inconsistency in its difficulty
I don't care about the fact the game is hard, i'm all here for hard games
but the fact you have act 3 bosses that are noticeably easier than act 1 bosses is just strange

[rapid lily]

...

[shrewd drum]

the room with the moving cart, reposition it under the flowing water

[tawdry sierra]

whne r they gonna drop the dlc

[amber needle]

i do Not remember where this is

[tight viper]

Yesterday

[final magnet]

act 3 was a letdown in terms of difficulty, i agree

[grand kayak]

anywhere between 1 and 10 years from now

[odd sedge]

In the next 12 years

[weak lantern]

up a level from bench

[spare tangle]

watcher at edge after being one of the easiest bosses in the game

[olive gale]

right above the hall leading to the forum

[shrewd drum]

its a long-ish room with one way entry and nothing else

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-gif-19008216

[final magnet]

alright songclave is open

[glacial kelp]

you get too much shit in this game it's not even that they're that much easier

most act 1 bosses die in like 2 shaman volt storms

[grand kayak]

across all acts its noticeable though, like you get bosses like bell beast and widow that are well balanced and then sister splinter is a pushover and savage beastfly is WAY overtuned especially for how early you can fight it

[torn spear]

I love how ||clover dancers are just stronger cogwork dancers bossfight wise and that they have bigger aoe so your whole memory of the fight sabotages you , and that phase 2 is so easy you can't really fail it .||

[final magnet]

i think they are just easier; nyleth was a gimmick fight and crust king felt like they were moved from act 1 to 3 (after all that is technically what happened)

[weak lantern]

i mean you dont have shaman... so...

[shrewd drum]

some secrets in this game are so random, how is one supposed to even notice WatE

[spare tangle]

Or volt storm

[glacial kelp]

nah im saying that the items are overtuned not just the bosses being undertuned

[grand kayak]

savage beastfly is also just. Bad

[rapid lily]

i always thought of ss as just hard mode hollow knight, think of it like The hunter from rain world, its a harder version of survivor but its a different story if that makes sense

[torn spear]

I thought there was another gauntlet after crust king

[chilly glacier]

the pinstress has to be the hardest boss in the game

[grand kayak]

difficulty aside its just moss mother with a bigger hitbox and more annoying spawns

[glacial kelp]

i did hear that they nerfed a lot of act 3 bosses pre release unfortunately

[torn spear]

The bossfight was so easy it dissapointed slightly but hey it was fun

[olive gale]

yeah is it cheating we can hit him?

[odd sedge]

If he can fly, I can use my bloody clawline

[final magnet]

that sucks

[weak lantern]

lolno

[rapid lily]

yeah, not only the difficulty sucks but also the design imo like its face is just a dreamer

[final magnet]

tbh i really liked crust king either way lol

[torn spear]

If you instakill summons you're safe , if you don't then good luck

[glacial kelp]

dodging big ass spikes is cool

[meager nexus]

Gurr the outcast, watcher at the edge, court of craws all felt so act 1

[amber needle]

okay how do i move the cart

[open dirge]

i like the mr mushroom quest

[glacial kelp]

gurt

[tight viper]

Attack

[olive gale]

hit it

[torn spear]

Pretty good boss , just should be act 1

[meager nexus]

Sybau 😹✌️

[amber needle]

already tried

[drowsy frigate]

punch it and go into the tiny groove it makes

[grand kayak]

frr

[glacial kelp]

i actually liked crawfather

[final magnet]

i think ill make a boss tier list based off difficulty

[tight viper]

Attack again

[amber needle]

oh. okay i'm just Dumb

[weak lantern]

indeed...
I think they made bosses they thought were too easy and thought "just let it spam adds", which... maybe just add attacks

[grand kayak]

Yeah no in act 1 they take like 6 hits to kill Each

[rapid lily]

i get so fucking annoyed when some parasite screams in my ear "GIT GUD" when ever im genuiqely having trouble with sum in the game

[spare tangle]

Savage beastfly isn’t very hard
It’s just a crowd control fight

[reef bane]

Nyleth is difficult if you try to do the fight while cursed

[amber needle]

is there anything special that i get for killing off the clawmaidens?

[chilly glacier]

so far I think the act 3 bosses have been pretty difficult in a nice way. the only problem is that without runback they feel like WALLS. the runback is important peopleeeee

[outer merlin]

||lost lace is kicking my ass fuuuckkkk||

[torn spear]

I meant with current hp , you can hit 5 times or more in certain moves with hunter crest .

[tight viper]

Peace and quiet

[grand kayak]

There is a whole subreddit dedicated to savage beastfly hate

[odd sedge]

It will never spawn again

[spare tangle]

99% of people that i saw struggling with savage beastfly 1 neglect the adds

[amber needle]

beyond that

[olive gale]

they just stop showing up which is convinient, nothing else

[rapid lily]

i bet you liked fighting any radience for fun before ss came out cus theres no fricking way dawg

[weak lantern]

think you need to do that to get journal entry

[left hedge]

khann kind of was like a runback

[grand kayak]

because they are annoying, very tanky and trying to fight them usually gets you hit anyway

[reef bane]

Savage beastfly kinda easy ngl

[glacial kelp]

the boss is "savage beastfly" not "tarmite" smh

[tawdry sierra]

is green prince a narcissist for lovin gsomeone who looks EXACTLY like him

[odd sedge]

Nothing I think, other than making the Citadel less annoying and getting the Hunter's Journal for the Clawmaidens

[meager nexus]

I think palestag couldve been so much cooler if they focused on making the arena more unique and fun, a little challenging with hazards, extra moves similar to nyleths balls and stuff like that. It feels super boring and isnt memorable at all, which is a shame because palestag design is amazing

[glacial kelp]

honestly for beastfly 1 i found that they kinda just die by him

[grand kayak]

he literally just phases through them most of the time

[viscid ledge]

Nah, they might not be the same in mind

[glacial kelp]

what's your opinion on this but it's like a chase sequence

[rapid lily]

i kinda get annoyed by that troupe tho cus i thought the clankers were brothers lol

[spare tangle]

I mean if you neglect them it’s obviously gonna become a shitfest; you’re neglecting a core part of the fight

[chilly glacier]

we've been trying to fight those guys for a while, but the 4chan cancers just keep coming back with insults, and creating echochambers where "elite gamers" can ramble to eachother about how good they are, and how everyone else is "insert slur here" and their behavior inevitably infects the rest of the soulslike community, + other hard games.

[tight viper]

Palestag should’ve had a gun

[spare tangle]

I liked fighting modded radiances , and while i got close to defeating any rad i never managed to actually win :((

[torn spear]

Palestag is just rng , and it has so little health , I assume it got like 450

[glacial kelp]

actually we totally should've had a chase sequence given how much horizontal movement there is

[rapid lily]

danm...

[tawdry sierra]

brothers dont hold each other like that...

[left hedge]

i want to shoot that thing

[amber needle]

okay maybe NOW i can do the courier quest

[odd sedge]

Palestag was the most boring fight I ever had to do, it was cool in concept

[tight viper]

480 apparently

[grand kayak]

remember: you are in the top 0.01% of players. This is why you found savage beastfly easy lol
Silksong isnt balanced around people like you

[rapid lily]

bruh i hate cronically online 4chan users,,,, what even is 4chan LMAOOO

[viscid ledge]

Every time I see someone mention pale stag I never remember it

[torn spear]

My guess was so fking close , that's like 1-2 needle hit diff , damn

[final magnet]

most arguments here

[olive gale]

do you get anything for delivering the laquer to the mask maker? or just rosaries?

[amber needle]

this doesn't seem bad for 51h

[grand kayak]

real

[meager nexus]

Bro goes down in 3 architect charge attacks 🤞💔

[tight viper]

A sense of pride and accomplishment

[grand kayak]

a materium entry

[foggy aurora]

You messed up

[odd sedge]

You're doing great

Ah, two kind of responses

[amber needle]

lmfao

[real pewter]

ts is not working on no one

[olive gale]

dude spend your rosaries, but yeah pretty good

[twin prism]

that chin

[meager nexus]

Stupid chase sequence fuck you palestag

[torn spear]

Or a threadstorm and like 10 clawlines

[real pewter]

also finally beat ts without magma bell asw

[foggy aurora]

No, I agree that they're doing great, I just don't know if they can move the cart back lol

[amber needle]

don't have a lot to spend em on tbh

[meager nexus]

Handsome right

[glacial kelp]

but it so pale...

[grand kayak]

savage beastfly is unironically in my top 3 in terms of attempts taken to beat

[twin prism]

king..

[grand kayak]

i think only karmelita and lost lace top it

[odd sedge]

Do you have Multibinder? It's a tool that let you heal 4 masks, sold by the vendor in Bellhart

[amber needle]

my things

[meager nexus]

FUCK PALE THINGS!!

[olive gale]

you have the fully completed bellhome?

[odd sedge]

If you insist
-# Looks at White Lady

[olive gale]

oh shoot

[amber needle]

i think there's like oooooooooone more thing in bellhome i need to get

[rich pagoda]

Sinner's Road is pure suffering

[glacial kelp]

ok beastfly isn't that easy but it's definitely shouldn't comparable to end game bosses

[meager nexus]

Oh ok wow

[worn echo]

Im almost finished with the lost progress...

In which order I have to do all the endings now?

[final magnet]

i think my top 3 bosses with the most attempts would be lace 2, lost lace, last judge

[tight viper]

Grindle items

[grand kayak]

not saying it is, just saying it took me a similar number of attempts lol

[amber needle]

yanno i'm surprised i got this far and i only just discovered threepin exists

[rich pagoda]

I'm not sure Blasted Steps are much better

[deft coyote]

how do i beat seth fleagames 🥀

[weak lantern]

1, amazing
2, I did every binding p5, radhog, pop, and people still say I suck to win arguments
There are much better players than myself, obviously, but if that is your standard, you are many, many stdevs off of most people and should realize that

[grand kayak]

lace 2 i struggled for a bit and then it just kinda clicked

[amber needle]

i like to Collect

[odd sedge]

I am still struggling with Flea Dodge, you're on your own bud

[meager nexus]

Mine are probably karmelita, lost lace, groal and savage beastfly 2 these took an equal amount of time

[deft coyote]

how did u beat him in juggle

[rich pagoda]

But I have been spending actual hours trying to get through basically one room in Sinner's Road.

[grand kayak]

last judge was pretty tough but once i could consistently do the runback hitless i kinda got a bit of momentum going and honestly that fight is a vibe

[final magnet]

okay

[amber needle]

one last thing indeed

[odd sedge]

Lock it, also the charm that increase the nail length is pretty good

[grand kayak]

reaper crest?

[weak lantern]

just spend a few hours being actively infuriated

[ocean bridge]

literally sylphsong at home

[silk totem]

the non act 3 starting ones and then do the snare setter thing

[unique shore]

WHY THE FK WOULD HORNET NEED TO KILL THEM 😭

[rich pagoda]

I acquired it recently. Been playing with it for fun, why? Is it the problem?

[tight viper]

Boredom

[amber needle]

and now i think i'm getting all my rosaries back with relics LMAO

[odd sedge]

Doomed Yaoi:
Evil and intimating Hornet:

[spare tangle]

Awesome gay couple vs evil and intimidating spider

[grand kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090643779121319999/1415808381180186736/attachment.gif

[silk totem]

so theres just normal and cursed but im not sure if you gotta do cursed again since you have the achievement and menu

[amber needle]

hoh boy

[final magnet]

anything for that silk man

[rich pagoda]

I mostly used Hunter up to this point and I might go back to it

[unique shore]

WHAT KIND OF SICK TWISTED IDEA IS THIS.... DISPLAYING A TWITCHING AND ALIVE HEART IN HOME

[vagrant roost]

hornet silksong

[humble dirge]

Just fought ||lost garamond||

[amber needle]

there's got to be more shit than this right

[timid plinth]

yum

[odd sedge]

Yes there is, quite a lot more

[olive gale]

I think the songclave merchant restocks after you find them rummaging and get pale oil, other than that invest in shard bundles, so useful late game

[tight viper]

That’s all the bone scrolls tho

[rich pagoda]

It's not really the platforming killing me, it's the asshole enemies

[meager nexus]

You got this, youre so strong and amazing and awesome... Words fall short in describing you but you gotta remember that even though you are so cool there are some things which cant be done easily, but don't worry.. you will overcome those with will and effort. We are with you and we love you ♥️✌️

[spare tangle]

You are missing a lot of stuff

[steel pendant]

Donkey kong bananza dlc > shitsong

[grand kayak]

But yeah reaper crest mathematically has the lowest DPS in the game and the upswing time makes it really hard for platforming

[meager nexus]

A lot actually its quite a pain to find everything

[amber needle]

only two side quests left seems interesting

[weak lantern]

i dont understand this meme, it's pretty easy to pogo with... It suffers in boss fights, but why show pogo fails, when that is something it's quite good at

[grand kayak]

The pogo has an upswing, you're better off with wanderer which is instant

[topaz totem]

Who’s ready?

[odd sedge]

Wow you are just like me, putting off with the Flintbeetles until late Act 2

[rich pagoda]

I hate Muckroaches and Roachkeepers

[spare tangle]

Highkey the dps doesn’t really matter all that much, the most important part is player preference

[meager nexus]

It somehow made it to the top 2 in crest ranking in this chat yesterday, people were voting it over wanderer and I was speechless 🥀

[timid plinth]

wanderer has less upward boost tho

[coarse leaf]

||garmond||...

[weak lantern]

it stalls you, the person in this vid is trying to pogo as they would with wanderer lol

[timid plinth]

it is a lot easier to pogo with reaper

[rich pagoda]

I'm bitching about the enemies though not platforming

[grand kayak]

It's not only dps it also has quite bad silk generation even with the extra silk

[glacial kelp]

NOOOOOO SAD FLEA

[meager nexus]

How can one cook a flea? How much meat do we have under all that fur

[grand kayak]

Wanderer still generates more silk than reaper

[amber needle]

honestly, reaper should just give 2 silk per hit

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-silk-song-flea-dog-gif-16633619138747869746

[worn echo]

guys, do you know any way to do all the endings in a single save or act 3 will fvck the other endings in some way? I already did the cursed ending

[olive gale]

yeah I think youre almost at the act 3 quest, just need to find fleas and finish those two

[grand kayak]

Yeah this would instantly make it worth using

[olive gale]

no youre in time out

[amber needle]

wait are you deadass

[barren topaz]

act 3 locks you out of all act2 endings

[open dirge]

you know it's about to be a good boss when it just stalls

[weak lantern]

i think for gauntlets reaper is solid, but for fast bosses it will do worse, at least for me. I tested them all, and am pretty comfortable with reaper. Individual results will vary, but it was relatively low based on win rates

[silk totem]

Just do normal and THEN talk to the shaman

[rich pagoda]

I'll return to Hunter for now. I was just giving Reaper an honest try since it seemed cool.

[amber needle]

dude i've just been Doing Shit LMAO
this is my first silksong playthrough i didn't know i was this close to act 3 lmfao

[blissful cliff]

Ok we know of 4 cut areas...

[barren topaz]

all being two

[worn echo]

thanks

[odd sedge]

I think she's still missing Shakra's quest tho no? Or maybe I'm blind and didn't see it in the screenshots she sent

[ocean bridge]

damn, beast pogo vs nyleth feels so good lmao

[left hedge]

hunter is cooler

[barren topaz]

pharloom bay, coral gorge/forest, ?, ?

[amber needle]

yeah, i don't even know where shakra's quest is

[glacial kelp]

if only above the cradle was loaded in act 2...

[left hedge]

based crest

[tight viper]

Bilewater 2, Bilewater 3, Bilewater 4, and Coral Forest?

[torn spear]

Act 2 endings are both missable , beat gms normally and then beat gms normally while pregnant

[blissful cliff]

The gloom and the aspids just added it to the cut content part of the wiki

[weak lantern]

beast pogo is good there, but the bind... is rough to use lol

[grand kayak]

worst crests mathematically speaking are beast and reaper
best are hunter, architect and wanderer
witch and shaman are mid overall but very strong in their niches

[timid plinth]

hunter has the best pogo icl

[barren topaz]

the gloom and the what

[blissful cliff]

The gloom was the precursor to bilewater

[glacial kelp]

why is beast worst mathematically

[odd sedge]

You need to get all of her maps, then her quest will appear in the wishboard at Songcave, I think at least

[ocean bridge]

the bind is fine just gotta pogo a little more often haha

[grand kayak]

Low dps, really weird pogo, especially awful for healing

[glacial kelp]

is this not averaging out damage from the bind dps boost?

[blissful cliff]

The aspids also known as the aspid clover area was split into wormways and verdania. And possibly bilewater

[tight viper]

Just attack

[timid plinth]

beast is NOT one of the worst
it has the niche of being a great boss shedder

[grand kayak]

weird pogo doesnt factor into the maths side obv

[ocean bridge]

damn i didnt know 25% attack damage boost and 18% attack speed boost for 5 seconds meant low dps

[coarse leaf]

it made their fight really easy ||not really cause im bad||

[olive gale]

yup, but it does lock you out of some endings, so I'd suggest not completing the one you get after the fleas move again until you beat it once. also someone mentioned since I didn't notice you are missing shakras quest.

[rich pagoda]

I loathe this room. I loathe the fact I get no benches.

[weak lantern]

mathematically meaning dps? What model are you using? I do agree my bottom 2 were reaper/beast, but the chasm between the 2 is quite large where everything else is pretty close

[blissful cliff]

Basically the reason verdania shrunk is because it and wormways were originally one are that was split

[open path]

Mathematically yeah, but all crests are around equally strong, if a bit harder to use sometimes

[torn spear]

Has more dps than full focus hunter in bind , the pogo lets you dodge contact damage , it has decent reach and speed

[glacial kelp]

oh do we know the attack speed boost now sick

[grand kayak]

The problem with stuff like this is wanderer just attacks so fast it outpaces it anyway lol

[fresh dagger]

There’s a bench right below it?

[rich pagoda]

I have gotten through it, and then got jumpscared by the Roachkeeper arena and perished

[ocean bridge]

yeah it’s 18%

[coarse leaf]

go right and down

[tawdry sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/reaper-crest-silksong-jjk-gif-11394692553717979041

[open dirge]

this crest is good and im tired of not knowing it was
(2nd evo hunter's)

[blissful cliff]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)

[grand kayak]

also hunter gets like 50% damage boost at full focus

[rich pagoda]

No... No there isn't? It's broken.

[torn spear]

You can preemptively bind and heal the dmg after you get it

[glacial kelp]

40%

[fresh dagger]

Check the top left of the room

[grand kayak]

40% is still more than 25%

[blissful cliff]

I updated the wiki with all the information you need

[ocean bridge]

someone did the math

[timid plinth]

how does that make it one of the worst crest whar, does that mean wanderer is the best while the other ones are bad?

[torn spear]

Beast is 50% no?

[chilly glacier]

the pinstress feels like a test of patience

[rich pagoda]

There's just an arena there though?

[fresh dagger]

The bench room?

[coarse leaf]

and beast can get both flea brew and the flintslate, wanderer gets one

[coral quartz]

if patience means obliterating her with my tools then yes

[open dirge]

it's like 35 damage with barbed bracelet at max focus and max nail which may not seem like much but that's +66% dmg if im not wrong (or +65% but it rounded up)
also it goes from killing last claw in like 4-5 hits to only 3 hits if you use flintslate which adds like +25%

[odd sedge]

Can't wait for a Godhome like DLC and getting to fight her sisters

[rich pagoda]

No, there's an arena there?

[open path]

Mathematically meaning purely nail DPS which I why Wanderer is so high

Applicably Wanderer does a lot less damage because it lacks a mechanic (crits do not count) and is missing an entire red tool slot which is a really big deal

[weak lantern]

great for no hit, but if you are talking just win rates, it's hard to keep up if you struggle at all, but will be up sometimes

[blissful cliff]

Still busy adding cut enemies have 3 more to upload

[rich pagoda]

Where my coccoon is, there's an arena.

[outer merlin]

i never realised how much i didnt like reaper until i was stuck on crust tower for like 2 hours and then first tried it after deciding to test out if wanderer was a good crest

[grand kayak]

losing out on a red tool is a big cost but wanderer attacks insanely fast

[ocean bridge]

beast is 25% damage boost + 18% attack speed boost for 5 seconds

and this all stacks with flea brew and flintslate

[gaunt bronze]

holy dude skong is so peak man

[glacial kelp]

do we know what the base needle attack speed is?

[coral quartz]

reaper's atk spd with no additonal dmg buffs is just rough

[ocean bridge]

hunter is the baseline

[spare tangle]

Watching people discuss which crest is the best like this isn’t a PvE game

[fresh dagger]

I’m talking about the room with the broken bench, not the one with your cocoon

[weak lantern]

in practice, and I HATE that crest... It's one of the best for me still...

[outer merlin]

i never use red tools so it basically has no downside imo

[ocean bridge]

reaper attacks -18% slower than hunter

[glacial kelp]

shit i forgot it was different for every crest
do we know them for all crests lmao

[grand kayak]

It sounds to me like it goes from being worse than hunter to being about on par with hunter

[rich pagoda]

Broken bench room has broken bench. I don't think I can do anything about that.

[next orchid]

Hell yea

[coral quartz]

you say this like it's not valid for creating guides and tips for players who may be interested in this knowledge

[grand kayak]

At which point, just use hunter

[fresh dagger]

Check the top left corner of the broke bench room

[odd sedge]

There's a room to the left where you can do platforming to fix the bench

[tight viper]

Please just check the top left in that room

[rich pagoda]

Ok

[weak lantern]

well yeah, but that's a self nerf 🙂

[torn spear]

Beast is equal to hunter , witch , wandered in terms of strength imo

[gaunt bronze]

this is probably a bad thing to say since i started hk just about a month ago but im pretty sure the wait was worth it

[olive gale]

good job man

[coarse leaf]

didn't you get speed completion on the same file as steel soul?

[ocean bridge]

beast isnt the best for sure, it’s got the highest highs and lowest lows

so it evens out to being up there but not quite

[torn spear]

Architect will never be defeated cause you can instantly melt bosses

[next orchid]

Yes I did

[open path]

I've said it before and I'll say it again the best crest is the one you use the most

[glacial kelp]

the point is that it's hard to activate the 40% but maximally using the bind is also hard

[outer merlin]

im too afraid to spend my shell shards 💔

[open dirge]

boringgggg

[fresh dagger]

Rating witch way too high in terms of Strength

[grand kayak]

Witch is very nichey

[barren topaz]

interesting that the whole act 1 fay thing was someone intended with this

[grand kayak]

It can be very strong

[coarse leaf]

awesome sauce i someday hope to 100% this game too

[torn spear]

Have you seen the bind ?

[fresh dagger]

Witch unironically eats dirt, but it’s pretty

[grand kayak]

It can also be crap

[celest bramble]

so... sting shard or tacks

[next orchid]

You will and it’ll be awesome

[fresh dagger]

I literally only use witch

[spare tangle]

Docs with stats are always interesting to read, but there is no true best lol

The “best” is what you feel most comfortable playing with

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-flea-sit-resting-gif-8654430270658626557

[tight viper]

If the user doesn’t use it right, sure

[coral quartz]

awoooo

[blissful cliff]

True lol

[amber needle]

i'm missing 2 apparently, i have no clue where the slab's map is and i haven't even been to lost verdania

[coarse leaf]

awoooooo!!!

[grand kayak]

no there's also just some enemies and bosses it can't really be used optimally against

[torn spear]

Mathematically speaking your 500 is lower than my 375

[tight viper]

No the best is Witch because Witch Crest rhymes with Best

[olive gale]

dont need lost verdanias to activate shakras quest

[weak lantern]

I find it a hair worse than wanderer/witch on late game bosses. Just managing resources means being distracted, often long enough to get hit, and many crests have 2 tools, which isn't that much more than 3, since, well my 3rd tool is always noticeably worse than the other 2 in a fight anyway

[grand kayak]

the more an enemy moves around the less effective witch tends to be

[glacial kelp]

is there ever a scenario where optimal witch is ever better than optimal shaman though

[coarse leaf]

I hate contact damage

[amber needle]

if you don't have shaman

[open path]

This is the case for every crest, it's just most pronounced with Witch

[fresh dagger]

Aesthetics

[glacial kelp]

this is fair ig lmao

[grand kayak]

dunno! havent tested with them that heavily

[amber needle]

honestly i wanna learn witch because all the attacks look so pretty

[torn spear]

If I can thread storm palestag you can bind near it

[silk jewel]

there is that flower boss

[glacial kelp]

my guess has to to with the frame count of the hits on threadstorm being too long idk

[fresh dagger]

Thread storm is just better bind though, it has more range, more damage and it’s cheaper

[coral quartz]

its a crime you cant get shaman sooner, but after seeing the kinda numbers it puts up especially when paired with volt filament... probably for the best

[gilded badge]

how is beast there?

[glacial kelp]

optimal implies you're not getting hit and you're using your silk all for damage

[torn spear]

But slower no?

[olive gale]

I did that myself, it does lock you out of an ending though sadly, only one I havent gotten yet

[weak lantern]

witch has a great moveset, 2 reds, and an iffy spell+heal bind. Once you know where you can get them and do them if you are missing 2 or more masks, it does shockingly well for me

[glacial kelp]

slower yes if you're doing an extension

[fresh dagger]

Bind also doesn’t deflect projectiles, and it’s barely slower

[ocean bridge]

Hunter = baseline
Beast: same attack speed as hunter, bind gives 18% attack speed boost
Reaper: 18% slower than hunter
Wanderer: 34% faster than hunter
Witch: 10% slower than hunter
Architect: same attack speed as hunter
Shaman: 19% slower than hunter

[silk jewel]

witch crest would be so op in Hk

[grand kayak]

as i said before, it goes from being worse than hunter most of the time to being on par when binding

[amber needle]

not cursed 😭

[silk jewel]

but with the mirror you can get a lot of damage

[glacial kelp]

how many slashes per second is hunter

[fresh dagger]

Witch is bottom of the barrel, but it’s pretty enough that I’m not using anything else

[coral quartz]

they would've got sent to the Underworks anyways, death was honestly preferable tbh

[gilded badge]

oh did you mean in terms of binding not just actual crest?

[odd sedge]

Uhh I don't think those two maps are necessary for Shakra's quest, because they are not sold by her, could you take a screenshot of your full map?

[amber needle]

4 blue slot potential is crazy on witch

[glacial kelp]

it's 30 + 6*6 with dual mirros which is around pi nail slashes which is funny

[torn spear]

Seen reaper ?

[grand kayak]

true but you'll always have claw mirrors for one of them

[weak lantern]

yeah, but you will spend some of them on the gimmick, so I left it off lol

[amber needle]

i don't even have the first mirror 😭

[fresh dagger]

Reaper has healing that doesn’t require you to throw yourself at enemies

[wind compass]

are the void masses the things on the walls and ceiling with heads inside them?

[silk jewel]

you are healed though

[coral quartz]

the tool slots on it drastically elevates it from bottom of the barrel imo.

[glacial kelp]

again optimal implies you don't need healing this is just a dps comparison not practicality

[torn spear]

Means nothing to me , I like witch bind , and witch is also an act1 crest no ?

[ocean bridge]

dunno, the way the data was found was looking at the values in the code iirc

[amber needle]

act 2

[fresh dagger]

Witch requires going through the vaults

[dull star]

are the delivery quests required for act 3?

[silk jewel]

reaper is the best for me, the silk restore when you hit an enemy is very useful

[glacial kelp]

how would they not know the slashes per second if they know the percentage difference 💔

[amber needle]

i'm a wanderer slave i fear

[grand kayak]

Witch is fun for gimmick builds

[coral quartz]

cant get it until act 2 bc you can only access the part of bilewater that initiates the quest through the citadel

[torn spear]

What do you need for act 2 ? Can you not get that high in bilewater in act 1 using taunt ?

[open path]

A lot of people forget about tool slots when talking about how strong crests are, it's the reason Wanderer gets overrated so often

[silk jewel]

witch crest is about healing I guess...use the most dps then?

[weak lantern]

I mean I expected to hate it, assumed it was bad, and found I had better act 3 boss winrates than architect with it... so, I don't think bottom of the barrel is true lol

[fresh dagger]

I personally prefer cursed crest to witch, because at least cursed crest actively encourages a hitless style

[olive gale]

I stick with hunter since thats just what I got used to

[grand kayak]

tool slots doesnt factor into mathematical performance which only really considers silk gain and dps

[odd sedge]

Hmm I don't think you are missing any maps, just to make sure go to Bellhart and go to where Shakra normally is, if she isn't there you can hit the little stick with a ring to call her, see if you miss anything from her shop

[tight ember]

A person who recognizes wanderers potential
Similar to beast but with better pogo for normal playing

[coral quartz]

its completely blocked off by a shortcut rock, which can only be broken once you drop down from the citadel

[amber needle]

you have to go through vaults to get to the parts of bilewater

[grand kayak]

but yes wanderer suffers badly in terms of tools

[glacial kelp]

yes this is why you should always play with maggots on

[open path]

Which is why it's flawed

[ocean bridge]

most likely it's because you can find an actual percentage value in the code and that might be what is just modified onto the hunter attack speed. think of it like, all crests have the same base attack speed animation (hunter), but when the actual crest is equipped a modifier is applied

[torn spear]

Did not know that rock existed , mb

[silk jewel]

I tried wanderer it's good but I think I am so used to reaper

[grand minnow]

guys what was the deal with these rooms? i never figured it out

[grand kayak]

oh yeah there's no flawless method, we're attempting to apply objective terms to a subjective matter, everyone's favourite crest is ultimately a matter of preference

[amber needle]

(she isn't wanting to trade with me)

[daring flax]

mapn't

[torn spear]

Reaper worst crest , ofc wanderer is good , everything else is better

[tight viper]

Bug

[coral quartz]

it just opens door next to the broken tool. these rooms basically "turn on" the weavenest

[fresh dagger]

I’ll get around to using other crests after I do like 3 more playthroughs with my beloved witch crest

[open path]

Exactly

[glacial kelp]

oh id've imagined it was like a constant that changes between crests, them doing a percentage based on hunter feels too involved and creates dependancy

[wind compass]

I'm guessing this is the Weavernest in Bilewater
it should open up the shortcut out instead of going around

[weary jacinth]

how do you get this flea 😭

[grand minnow]

ooo i see, very nice thank you

[odd sedge]

Well this is tough, go to Songcave and see if there are more wishes there

[open dirge]

hunter's crest (evo 2)with barbed bracelet and flintslate gives me 53 damage or so

[coral quartz]

get unused to it, its slow atk spd really drags it down in the late game

[fresh dagger]

Go up from greymoor

[silk jewel]

that's the problem, why is it the worst?

[amber needle]

there's a weavenest in bilewater?

[grand kayak]

This one is evil it's in wisp thicket lmfao

[wind compass]

go around from Greymoor into Whisp Thicket

[weary jacinth]

thats really evil

[glacial kelp]

as someone that beat every boss with reaper this is true!

[wind compass]

yeah

[coral quartz]

slow atk speed and tricky hitbox due to the half swing attack animation.
do not let the slow atk spd fool you, you do not do more dmg

[weak lantern]

if you play with it for like 3 playthroughs, I imagine you will be quite good at safely landing binds, and everything else will feel significantly worse lol

[torn spear]

Because of all the moves except the bind making your hits give silk

[open dirge]

everything goes like 500 mph it's not gonna help much more

[woeful gale]

Can i do all the flea thingies on act 3?

[silk jewel]

I am so adducted to its bogo

[gritty badge]

Ya

[fresh dagger]

That doesn’t change the fact that putting yourself directly next to enemies while healing without iframes is just a sucky way of healing

[amber needle]

hoping songclave has her wish

[grand kayak]

Its attack speed is so much slower that wanderer still generates more silk per second even compared to binding reaper lmao

[silk jewel]

wait WHAT?

[fresh dagger]

Witch healing will never be as consistent as normal healing

[odd sedge]

Oh wait have you beat Groal the Great? Apparently that is necessary to open her quest

[torn spear]

Pogo and dash attack on reaper are god damn horrible in combat

[tight viper]

How did Ting-Lu get to Pharloom

[amber needle]

i haven't 😭

[coral quartz]

i wouldnt recommend using a crest JUST because of one move

[wind compass]

bc of its slow DPS and chopped nail hitboxes

[supple reef]

[amber needle]

honestly when i played reaper i fucking hated it

[gritty badge]

Guys, I didn't kill Moorwing till Act 3 because I accidentally skipped it earlier and now It has the power of the void with it😭

[wind compass]

let my bro play what he wants😭

[grand kayak]

Witch and Beast should be buffed to 4 masks max healing to make up for their gimmicky healing imo

[glacial kelp]

alright the dps is fair wdym nail hitboxes

[silk jewel]

so how do you get unused to a crest?

[wind compass]

You're fucked

[torn spear]

Witch is a fun crest to play , the attacks are a bit more elegant than hunter while being way prettier

[glacial kelp]

beast 4 masks would be so huge for facetanking

[amber needle]

maybe witch could get a liiiiiiittle bit more range on bind?

[open dirge]

make it 5 with multibinder
wait that's Literally Half Health at full what the hell

[coral quartz]

trying to hit anything above you with reaper crest is a lot harder than other crests

[odd sedge]

Well then, I wish you good luck, genuinely took me three hours to beat that guy
-# You can technically cheese him, and there is an item that protects you from the maggot water

[weak lantern]

no, but you get more range, which can make for some safe attacks others won't get, and you can move into punish range more quickly because it's less distance. Dash attack is fast, but ultimately it does become quite hard to hit act 3 bosses in their final phases

[open path]

Reaper is pretty good as a more defensive Wanderer crest

[olive gale]

really im pretty sure i fought him afterwards

[fresh dagger]

Witch with thread storm range would be epic

[grand kayak]

yeah, would make the crests so much more viable

[tight viper]

Buff them to instant max health gained because I want to break any sense of balance

[ocean bridge]

well if you notice in game, hornet's attack animation doesn't actually change between crests, only the slash "projectile", she still swings it all the same way iirc

[torn spear]

OUT!

[grand sand]

YES DUDE, I got twisted child finallyyyy

[open dirge]

i swear i hate when enemies reposition JUST out of my bind range

[glacial kelp]

witch is diagonal but ig i got used to it so i don't really notice it

[wind compass]

its basically cut in half horizontally
if you look at the hitbox the entire top/bottom half is empty

[amber needle]

so the secret bench is about here right

[wind compass]

before you get witch, get the twisted child ending

[fresh dagger]

All the flying enemies have that stupid backdash they do every 3 seconds as well

[silk jewel]

they just jump at you and you are screwed

[grand sand]

precisely what ive done, miscommunication on my part

[wind compass]

I don't think so

[spare tangle]

Second sentinel no hit no tools🎉🎉

[wind compass]

holy shit I can't read

[weak lantern]

If you know when you are safe, it's free. That is a hard thing to do, but it is also the only real question you have to figure out with witch. the upside is it's a nuke + heal for the same silk as any other heal

[tight viper]

How did the first sentinel go?

[vernal ivy]

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[glacial kelp]

i got used to it enough to not notice it + the circumstance where i would miss like that i would usually just jump sideslash

[amber needle]

where is the bench 😭

[spare tangle]

Unfortunately the first sentinel fell into a pit and died💔

[vernal ivy]

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[amber needle]

[glacial kelp]

it's in bilewater 👍

[silk jewel]

so the is thing is that he miss communicate

[gritty badge]

Behind a hidden wall

[open dirge]

i switched to hunters crest today and it feels so much smoother than witch crest
also you can aura farm on karmelita by pogoing her while she's stuck in place

[thorny wasp]

The bench is top left

[vernal ivy]

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[wind compass]

Still trips me up sometimes, but I do the same
I'm a Reaper main too : )

[vernal ivy]

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[open path]

Witch is definitely one of the more difficult crests to learn but it has a pretty good reward for learning it

[tight viper]

Bottom right corner of the room before the last tall room

[amber needle]

okay where is the hidde wall

[silk jewel]

somewhere there

[odd sedge]

Ok before you do anything, have you checked the wishboard in Bellhart? Apparently I might be misinformed and her quest is at Bellhart and not Songcave, just to make sure since I could be wrong and I just led you to miserable time in Bilewater

[wind compass]

wait no not like that

[vernal ivy]

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[coral quartz]

the bottom right corner of the room before that big room in the top right
you will have to go swimming in maggots to reach it

[glacial kelp]

i switched off reaper for the sick grounded pogo cancel on hunter for speedruns unfortunately

[torn spear]

Silk and song ? Its both

[oak eagle]

||is there a crest to help with this one or-||

[wind compass]

makes sense

[silk jewel]

HOW CAN YOU SWITCH?!

[odd sedge]

No the Trail's End, Sharka quest

[vernal ivy]

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[tight viper]

Pogo the dodge fleas

[wind compass]

Uhh how do I remix

[coral quartz]

wait wait wait you didnt know you could switch between crests? 💀

[vernal ivy]

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[weak lantern]

Also sometimes close is safer than far... bosses late game can hit the entire arena. It encourages you to know exactly where you are safe during particular attacks, and paradoxically makes it safer than a normal heal frequently for me in practice. The temptation to panic heal does get to me on the others sometimes lol

[odd sedge]

Although yeah if you want to get to Act 3, defeating Groal the Great is necessary

[amber needle]

this portion being so tiny on my end is tripping me up so hard

[coral quartz]

did you think u were stuck with a crest once you unlocked it

[silk jewel]

I know how to switch but I can't change I got used to it😭

[gritty badge]

Rip

[amber needle]

i haven't slimed groal yet lmao

[wind compass]

go to your crest section and in the bottom left hand corner there'll be a button. Press the button and you can cycle through crests

[oak eagle]

oh REALLY

[glacial kelp]

i can play with every crest except like arch since i hate it

[vernal ivy]

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[dull star]

ive done all the other requirements but i still cant get the final quest

[stiff briar]

ain't norway somebody did not know you can switch crests

[coral quartz]

literally just use other crests man, practice against basic enemies if need be but i promise its not hard to get used to other crests

[silk jewel]

I know that!

[gritty badge]

I was pretty happy myself

[weak lantern]

you will always suck when you switch for a bit lol

[wind compass]

mb bro😭

[spare tangle]

Unless ita wanderer 🙏

[gilded badge]

just being a downgrade from a top 2 crest isnt really a bad thing and its down pogo is almost as strong as hunters

[open dirge]

architect is nice for putting bosses in the deepest depths of hell but when you need silk to remake those tools from the bind everything falls apart so hard

[silk jewel]

maybe I will put claw in wanderer or hunter and imagine it for a few hours

[olive gale]

sorry the pin blocks the room even if i zoom in

[naive loom]

BROTHER I THOUGHT I BEAT WIDOW SECOND TRY WHEN THE HIT DID SLOWMO BUT SHE HAS ANOTHER PHASE WHAT

[coral quartz]

have fun!

[glacial kelp]

the pogo is too clunky for my taste

[naive loom]

bro what is this deception

[open path]

Architect with Plasmium Overdosing just removes this problem funnily enough

[weak lantern]

really depends... with longclaw, wanderers is super easy, but before that if you say switch off reaper, you will not be very good at staying in range lol

[wind compass]

With the steel soul item and quest line Architect is prolly the best crest for steel soul

[silk jewel]

Am I the only one or the second round of widow feels the most unfair?

[naive loom]

i wasnt ready for it so

[fresh dagger]

It’s a bit late game though

[open path]

Architect is for sure the best crest for Steel Soul

[glacial kelp]

widow only has 360 hp funnily enough

[naive loom]

ive beaten PV Radiant pls let me beat widow 🙏

[stiff briar]

widow is just face tankable

[bitter blade]

2nd round of widow was easier to learn I feel

[fickle wadi]

Man looking back, Hallownest was surprisingly not that bad ngl

[wind compass]

true
but if you get as many stuff you can and stock up on rosaries you should be able to get it fairly early in the Citadel

[silk jewel]

I couldn't learn it...I was just trying

[fresh dagger]

As always architect is a crest for the rich

[gritty badge]

Was it just me, or the Craw Father fight was very easy? I completed it on my first try

[bitter blade]

Good luck

[wind compass]

CAPITALISM🔥

[tight viper]

Why is Coral Tower on this list

[odd sedge]

Gonna try the Flea Dodge again with Seth, wish me luck lads, after that Imma find every relics and cylinders

[weak lantern]

you can't lose your rosaries in ss, so... yeah

[olive gale]

so easy

[silk jewel]

In my opinion, hollownest is harder but hornet is weaker than the knight

[fresh dagger]

That’s crazy

[fickle wadi]

Sands Of Kharn basically, plus Coral Tower was a glimpse to something that was once pretty grand

[open path]

This means Steel Soul for people wondering I'm pretty sure

[open fern]

how do i unlock the quest to act 3? ive completed all the wishboard quests, moved the flea caravan to fleatopia but caretaker still doesnt give me the quest

[amber needle]

aura farming widow

[grand minnow]

guys do i have to be in act II to get the ||twisted bud and get cursed??|| it looks like the only way through to the room is through the citadel

[weak lantern]

you should always be rich in steel soul. You cant die and you can't take multiple boss attempts

[floral kindle]

Eh pk did try

[naive loom]

real

[fresh dagger]

Right, I was confused about the abbreviation

[gritty badge]

Did you grant shakra's wish?

[wary charm]

Have you obtained your ||bellhome?||

[amber needle]

do cogflies despawn when entering another room?

[wind compass]

always look for the hunters journal mark in the corner

[fresh dagger]

That’s right

[naive loom]

yeah now i know

[wind compass]

no

[glacial panther]

how to open

[olive gale]

no only after a few attacks

[blissful cliff]

has anyone ever seen this enemy? not with the bronze bell... [this one seems silver]

[spare tangle]

I think hallownest has higher highs and lowers low in terms of power

Generally speaking hornet joirney is harder since she isn’t just fighting mindless husks but actual conscious creature or trained soldiers

But at its peak hk has stronger foes in lore power, such as pure vessel or the radiance

[open path]

Have you beaten Lace 2 yet

[weak lantern]

yeah, it wasn't ambiguous in hk, so hard to keep in mind lol

[wind compass]

yes

[open fern]

yes

[small imp]

Saw a post that said that they've never seen a word as lovingly crafted and deeply uninteresting as Silksong's, and I feel that.

[grand minnow]

DAMN IT

i went to BILEWATER for NOTHING (gross)

[open fern]

Ive beaten Lace 2 and grand mother silk, but i joined back after the credits to get act 3

[tight viper]

Crust King Khann was a tyrannical ruler, he had it coming imo

[weak lantern]

that's... a take

[lean peak]

can someone put all crests in a random order

[fresh dagger]

Didn’t he have an entire tower of loyal followers?

[grand minnow]

hear me out though... he's kinda hot

[open fern]

how to get her quest? she's in songclave rn and doesnt give any quests

[silk jewel]

agree but I guess maybe some of the double damage hits, the knight would have been damaged one mask instead

[fresh dagger]

Bellhart wishboard

[dreamy lichen]

I beat first sinner

[silk jewel]

bro was throwing souls after 20 minutes of entering the area

[tight viper]

Loyalty through fear, also needolin dialogue saying “In my name, conquer all”

[weak lantern]

he's a knight, hornet is like... a rogue, so yeah she takes more dmg 😉

[spare tangle]

Thats not what the diary entries says

[gritty badge]

You have to find Shakra in all the areas, where you can buy maps from her. You must be missing one or two areas. After that, she'll put her wish in Bellhart

[silk jewel]

indeed, she was trained to be faster nit tankier

[fresh dagger]

The knight was also designed, rather than born like hornet

[amber needle]

okay i see why the groal runback would be horrid without this bench

[tight viper]

It’s heavily implied through his needolin dialogue

Karak seems like a bug version of Sparta

[silk jewel]

the knight had a pure vessel, void and souls inside it and learned to fight the hard way

[open fern]

oh my bad, i misread shakra as sherma. i've bought all the stuff she sells as well

[silk jewel]

I was thinking how he has no mind to think but he can do trades and practice and do a plane to destroy the sun with no mind

[spare tangle]

His needolin dialogue just implies he was a conquerer and a hard ruler, which we already know
Also standing against GMS but thats not so uncommon

[naive loom]

WHY IS WIDOW PHASE 3 SO HARD

[sick crater]

why aren't there any characters like sly in this game? I mean like some unsuspecting npc who is secretly fluent in 50 forms of ass kicking

[tight viper]

Conquerors like that gain loyalty through fear

[fresh dagger]

Seamstress?

[silk jewel]

and about naming the bosses such as lost kin, and failed champion...bro knows what he's doing

[sick crater]

idk man

[weak lantern]

question... how exactly does sherma come rescue you in act 3?

[fresh dagger]

Picks you up while you’re unconscious

[amber needle]

this runback is ass 😭

[olive gale]

he gives you a little kiss

[tight viper]

Sherma didn’t rescue you, some other fleeing pilgrims did

[silk jewel]

some pillgrame did...she said that

[sick crater]

he drags hornet's unconscious ass to songclave since there are no enemies from where she fell to songclave and it's like a few meters away

[fresh dagger]

He motivates you with a song of friendship

[weak lantern]

ah, missed that, my bad

[fresh dagger]

That’s part of act 7

[olive gale]

I want a zote lore dlc because of shellwood

[silk jewel]

why shellwood?

[sick crater]

life ender's made of that wood right

[sick crater]

because his nail is made of shellwood as he said

[olive gale]

his swords made of shellwood

[silk jewel]

the goat survived pharloom and hollownest

[fresh dagger]

Precept 11, mothers will always betray you, clearly refers to grand mother silk

[weak lantern]

should have been a one shot weapon... would explain how he managed to stay alive for so long with his obvious lack of talent with it if it actually had powers

[candid gyro]

steel soul is torturing me in a way i never anticipated - the fact that it's such a slow start makes me rush in the early game and i die repeatedly to dumb things in the first 1-2 hours

[fresh dagger]

Zote must have left pharloom after being betrayed by gms

[candid gyro]

if i have to do the damn bell beast one more time i'm gonna lose it

[haughty socket]

yeah probably

[tawdry sierra]

clankers

[haughty socket]

thats why its SHELL wood

[tight viper]

It’s only that one portion

[olive gale]

I dont know, wouldnt be the darkest thing, geo in hollow knight is literally corpse bits

[tall rain]

Just beat || tormented torbio || and his dumb exploding ball move is annoying

[fresh dagger]

Shell shards as well

[tall rain]

Reported

[weak lantern]

I am still stalling on that yeah... I just wish you could swap starter crests on additional playthroughs (put hunter w/e the missing one is)

[ashen pike]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[olive gale]

the prophecy

[celest orchid]

advice?

[fresh dagger]

https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/167

[amber needle]

this is fake isn't it

[haughty socket]

no ofc not

[fresh dagger]

Take a rest

[normal token]

Nah it's a real bench

[olive gale]

oh you poor sweet child, of coursem when would a bench ever be a lie?

[silk jewel]

they are bugs damn it

[tight viper]

It’s great

[haughty socket]

beast den moment lol

[amber needle]

hunter's march

[wind compass]

TC aint that evil

[fresh dagger]

You should rest

[weak lantern]

I can't make myself mod an achievement. It's kind of cheating, but kind of a sidegrade

[silk jewel]

huh?

[tall rain]

This trap should've been in literally any other area

[olive gale]

you look tirewd from your travels, take a seat

[spare tangle]

@sharp coral would you

[fresh dagger]

Precept 3 always be rested

[honest dome]

the best part of silksong is exiting the game

[vague plaza]

this truly was my silksong
3 h 30 minute speeedrun completion

[amber needle]

yeah i knew it was fake LMFAO

[sharp coral]

God dammit arceh.

[ashen pike]

This will happen after the Sister of Void ending
goes back to bellhart and Challenge Lace

[tight viper]

I wish Bilewater was real

[spare tangle]

Bench answer the question

[honest mortar]

Indeed, Sir, your suspicion is well-founded; the bench in question is but a fabrication.

[vague plaza]

my craziest timesave tech i discovered is if you press challenge on widow she doesn't yap and goes straight to fighting

[olive gale]

yeah bilewaters the worst

[candid gyro]

bugs can be homosexual irl btw. It makes no sense for them because they don't even do it for pleasure, but one theory for the origin of homosexuality is that it's a quirk from the days of early sex differentiation 2 billion years ago that evolution never quite managed to iron out

[lean peak]

is that xbox? the % are different for me

[tall rain]

This isn't real. Don't listen to this.

[lyric bolt]

It's strange I died like 20 times to last judge but did clockwork dancers first try this games difficulty is strange lol

[vague plaza]

steam pc

[ashen pike]

ik

[silk jewel]

it's not about that, stop sexualising everything

[spare tangle]

I will commision clover dancers yaoi after reading this message

[amber needle]

YAY

[tall rain]

I was playing on my steam deck docked and || the abyss escape || has some horrendous frame drops

[candid gyro]

oh, i'm not doing that. Plenty of other people are though

[brittle elbow]

real

[fresh dagger]

Thoughts on the horce ship?

[olive gale]

this is the internet youll have some trouble with that

[spare tangle]

Find a better name for it

[amber needle]

so groal is here right

[candid gyro]

oh man, i stepped on a banned word landmine

[weak crag]

You are the reason some people don’t wanna try Silksong

[celest orchid]

i find the number of people still insistent on shipping the "silk-spun child" to be kind of repellant

[fresh dagger]

horce is a top tier name

[weak lantern]

yeah... bugs... sexualizing bugs... and they can't ALL be joking...

[olive gale]

up and to the left

[amber needle]

every single boss with dialogue before the fight skips it when you challenge

[spare tangle]

Youre gonna die in 3 seconds!

[chilly glacier]

sexualizing? talking about gayness is sexualizing? but it's not sexualizing to talk about bugs having straight relationships?

[tight viper]

No Groal is here ♥️

[celest orchid]

lace is a Peter Pan homunculus with some aspects of mania

[candid gyro]

though on a serious note, i think Hornet's sexuality was deliberately left unspecified because it's not relevant to anything

[tall rain]

These are the same people that get upset when you call them out on sus behavior

[desert turtle]

for why?

[celest orchid]

leave her out of this for crap's sake

[silk jewel]

what? who said that? both are just stupid

[olive gale]

well we know she isn't aro/ace

[spare tangle]

Asgore level of naming💔

[fresh dagger]

This is the sort of conversation I’d expect in ss-lore

[weak crag]

Wdym

[chilly glacier]

afaik Hornet's sexuality is "Unavailable" because she specifically mentions having an ex and then presumably the ex died due to being mortal or something, and she was like "wow, never doing that again."

[celest orchid]

why not? She basically says "it was good in the moment but eh" and has since moved beyond it

[dusty seal]

I think it's interesting Silksong is NOT the game Team Cherry wanted to make the most, that game is Silksong 15 years down the line. THEY STILL WANT TO DO SO MUCH

[spare tangle]

She doesn’t have partners anymore because they js die of old age

[analog pike]

Where is that said?

[weak lantern]

that was a cool fact, but people are really into hornet/lace... fantasies, and it's a little disturbing... lol

[noble jolt]

ok but Straight people don't sit like this

[fresh dagger]

I sit like that

[chilly glacier]

I know it was said somewhere, but I haven't found it yet

[vague plaza]

how do you make her show up in detroit

[chilly glacier]

have you SEEN the Elbow Man???

[tall rain]

I'm glad they stopped because some of the stuff In This game feels like filler content.

[olive gale]

where? her only problem with it was her mates would die of age

[silk jewel]

she is just sitting

[dusty seal]

do you have something to tell us

[open dirge]

she's a bunch of curves for a character, so she's a curved person.
checkmate or something idk i don't get that joke or anything i said

[brittle elbow]

are they actually making a plants versus zombies movie

[noble jolt]

I have wonderful news

[desert turtle]

i mean, i like the design of everything and the music goes so fucking hard but playing through the area for the first time was so bad for me, i dont think its a bad area i just didnt enjoy it as much as i could have (fuck the maggot water)

[lunar aspen]

(BEEG act 3 spoilers) ||How do I connect the cradle and cogwork core again? I've seen maps where there are hallways connecting stuff. I am 92% completion and am up to lace 3||

[celest orchid]

I think a small chunk of the people who just started shipping them in the pre-release days when nobody knew anything off of vibes have just not been able to move past denial about her being thoroughly described as childlike

[weak lantern]

true ending speedrun is mostly doing 17 wishes... why whatever do you mean?

[dusty seal]

i was aiming more for a confession

[candid gyro]

i'm honestly not sure if that's a good idea, knowing how real people tend to be. Humans live for a very long time, "forever" in the true immortal god sense is an inconceivably long amount of time to think things over

[noble jolt]

what ever do you mean?

[desert turtle]

stilkin design only redeemable quality jkjk

[open dirge]

Half Life 2 Stalker Scream

[amber needle]

why is there a GAUNTLET before groal

[dusty seal]

yeah she can be there its crazy

[candid gyro]

but i'm not a bug demigod psychologist so whatever

[tight viper]

Why not

[fresh dagger]

It adds to the ambience

[spare tangle]

No twin don’t die!

[empty solstice]

it's cheesable if you struggle💔

[dusty seal]

hes waking up, if you fought him immediately he would be groal the grumpy

[tall rain]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But this game has fetch quests, and a running mini game that serves no real purpose

[celest orchid]

you can't permanently reconnect them other than the backtracked route you take at the start of act 3

[olive gale]

because bilewater sucks

[noble jolt]

come on, you know why

[open dirge]

wega

[empty solstice]

groal why are you in the city

[fresh dagger]

The groal gauntlet is the worst part of the cursed groal fight

[tall rain]

7 years making this game and they added Ubisoft fetch quests mechanics

[amber needle]

bilewater suuuuuucks

[fresh dagger]

Better security ig

[silk jewel]

right

[weak lantern]

otherwise he would be too easy, but they coulda just made him harder and skipped the bs...

[noble jolt]

yeah, it sucks so much It's really great.

[clear crypt]

Hallo

[spare tangle]

Groal is a pretty good boss, i’d give him either a high B tier or low A tier, its just that there’s a 6 waves gauntlet before the actual fight

[lunar aspen]

then wossis?

[celest bramble]

is tacks just better then sting shards?

[empty solstice]

Does groal the great not have billions upon billions of rosaries on him?😔

[amber needle]

there's no way it's before the fight every single time

[noble jolt]

Depends what you're using it for

[dusty seal]

what stuff?