sk-discussion

[cerulean sable]

one thing i loved about exploration shit and one thing i hope about in Silksong is those early omnious no music rooms where you have 0 fucking idea what they do yet for now

and it doesnt get shown until late game and shit

one kinda fitting example i guess that kinda works is like that Arena room left of the bench

granted, its only purpose is as a shade spawn but the feeling is still there

[umbral ether]

that was the last phase of the fight i was on right

[cunning geode]

yeas

[umbral ether]

at least i don't have to regrab the sigils

[cunning geode]

yeah thats nice

[umbral ether]

also when i first started playing i thought the player character was a drone not a ship

[cunning geode]

it can be both

it's not very specific

but it is a character

[pallid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-asriel-gif-6134288433808847622

[swift sand]

what is this
where is the player

[cunning geode]

he blew up

[swift sand]

fair

[umbral ether]

star of providance

i thought these were skulls

[cunning geode]

ghost

[umbral ether]

yep

is he blind

[cunning geode]

it means down deeper in the facility where the other skullies hang out

[umbral ether]

there is a jukebox right next to him

oh

oh i misread there as here

[lament lotus]

why is bigmode publishing star of providence after it got released

[cunning geode]

switch release

[lament lotus]

ah

[coral prawn]

why is thinking of names the hardest part of making a DnD campaigns this is bullshit

[serene chasm]

what kind of names do you need

[young saffron]

He doesn't have eyes

[coral prawn]

Just random npc names the important guys have names

[quiet knot]

Name them all Josh

[coral prawn]

but spelled differently

[pallid plinth]

Josh.o

[smoky nebula]

Honestly if you go with the first name that pops into your head you'll be fine

[coral prawn]

True but having a few names prepared can't hurt

[smoky nebula]

Jack and John are your man stock

[pallid plinth]

Seth Rogan

[umbral ether]

why do they have a red symbol above their head

[pallid plinth]

it means your weapon is targeting those enmies

[fresh zodiac]

you know silksong news been dry as hell when primacon is uploading videos about anything else other than silksong

like he made a video on that CEO that cheated on his wife and got exposed with his mistress on a concert live

[cunning geode]

your weapon has a keyword (modifier) that makes you stronger against a specific enemy type and weakens some of their attacks

[pliant torrent]

https://x.com/everydruidwaswr/status/1946805030025416837

little bomey (@everydruidwaswr)

normal oil versus slightly more normal oil

X · Jul 20, 2025, 5:31 AM

another banger from wilbo

[smoky nebula]

Is normal oil made from normal seeds or is it mined from the ground

[cunning geode]

lets consider the naming convention for oils

olive oil

palm oil

[lament lotus]

coconut oil

[lament lotus]

kill them

[quartz cave]

chat hop on reanimal

[wooden echo]

A: S-teir profile picture

B: what game is this?

[umbral ether]

star of providence

[strange gulch]

I think they're all in the wrong game (this is Dwellers Empty Path by Temmie)

[wooden echo]

nifty schmifty

[umbral ether]

it is a pretty fun bullet hell rouge like

[wooden echo]

bullet hell rouge like?

and if I had to guess, touhou project esque combat?

[umbral ether]

yeah

[wooden echo]

I'll be damned

is it on steam?

[umbral ether]

yep

[carmine island]

i gotta play that sometime

the art is wondeful

[lament lotus]

temmie made a game?

[strange gulch]

yes, it's on itch.io

[lament lotus]

cool

oh wow this was from a while ago

[cerulean sable]

Hortnet should be saved by Garmond

[lone crown]

Waiting for someone to make the deer meme but garmond as the driver and a random enemy as the deer

https://tenor.com/view/open-season-shaw-deer-run-over-meme-gif-12251156658227451666

[cerulean sable]

But Garmond comes in with a CM.170 Magister where he unloads 14 Hydra 70mms at a bunch of Citadel cult people

TRUEE

Garmond MUST BE based

[strange gulch]

I think Hornet should be saved by Ger- wait wrong game

[dusk pilot]

I think hornet should be saved by morbius

[umbral ether]

who is garmond

[rocky flicker]

Hwat

Ew why are you guys talking about s*lksong

[viscid wind]

is dess missing

or is she just at college

[dusk pilot]

Leave him alone he changed a word like 10 days ago

[viscid wind]

Let us witness if this is authentic or disingenuous

[midnight trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB3G7ZEq2Qk

i just saw this and it looks sick

[midnight trout]

https://tenor.com/view/bungus2020-deltarune-undertale-vechicular-manslaughter-murder-gif-6963394648762466347

[umbral ether]

cool

[sage glade]

authenticallly disingenuous

[patent heath]

DRIVING IN MY TRUCK RIGHT AFTER A BEER.

[neon adder]

Missing

(Presumably she got Knight’d)

[viscid wind]

does it explicitly state that she is missing in the game or is it just that noelle is a bit traumatized

[neon adder]

Explicitly stated

Hell her leitmotif is even called "Lost Girl"

[patent heath]

Isn't that Noelle's?

[viscid wind]

isnt that noelle's leitmotif

and lost doesn't explicitly mean missing

[neon adder]

Nope, hers is The Girl Next Door

[viscid wind]

also ermmmm where

[sage glade]

play the game

[patent heath]

Oh.

[sage glade]

lazy ass

[neon adder]

But the song the Girl Next Door has Dess’ leitmotif in it so it’s kind of confusing

[viscid wind]

I played through deltamid twice but okkkk

[neon adder]

Literally half of Chapter 2’a hometown dialogue is about Dess being missing

[patent heath]

We probably could have come up with a better name probably.

[neon adder]

The entire spelling scene in Chapter 2 is also about Dess being missing

[viscid wind]

( noelle got nervous because the word was december)

[neon adder]

And the scene where Kris and Noelle are walking through the cyber world

[neon adder]

Because Dess just went missing

Why else would a girl be nervous to spell the name of her big sister

[viscid wind]

Whatever, nerd

[viscid wind]

domestic abuse ?

[patent heath]

[neon adder]

The only domestic abuser in that household is her Mom

[sage glade]

not attentively enough it seems

[neon adder]

On that note, FUCK CAROL, ALL MY HOMIES HATE CAROL

[patent heath]

Asgore should have ran over Carol instead of Dess tbhhhhhhh.

[viscid wind]

Idk man dess seems pretty cruel! instaswooning susie ans ralsei...

Wornf reply

[neon adder]

Wornf

[patent heath]

They slash them theory........

[neon adder]

Piss n’ Shit theory my beloved

[patent heath]

Hi Caveman, I see you.

[viscid wind]

We've seen kris and knight in the same frame..,.,. How is that theory still valid

[patent heath]

That's not what the theory states.

[neon adder]

Wait, what is the They/Them theory

[patent heath]

The theory states that Kris is the one who swooned Ralsei and Susie.

[viscid wind]

Forgive my ignorance

[sage glade]

back in my days swoon used to mean fall in love

[patent heath]

DR Ch3 gave it a better name.

[neon adder]

Kris’ attack damage against the Knight increased when Susie and Ralsei are swooned, why would they hit harder if they were the one who downed their friends

🐌 me all you want

[patent heath]

We know that the swords in the dark world are pencils in the kight world. And that Kris carries a knife with them in the light world.
So what if they used the dark world equivalent of the knife to attack Susie and Ralsei?

[rocky flicker]

I cant wait for silksong to release and all you guys get instantly banned for not talking about it

[patent heath]

If a pencil becomes a sword, who knows what a knife becomes.

[neon adder]

Ok but like that doesn’t really refute the "why would they attack the Knight harder if they were the one doing the downing" theory

[viscid wind]

what if kris carries a nike shoe

[patent heath]

Yeah, Idk that.

[viscid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-ch-chapter-3-the-gif-14492831641595029139

would explain the nike logo

[patent heath]

It probably becomes a double jump ability.

[sage glade]

how much did tony bag from this sponsor

[viscid wind]

a copyright infringement lawsuit

[neon adder]

Funny detail I noticed, the slash mark looks just like the trail that the tip of a baseball bat would make if it were swung completely horizontally from the Knight’s approximate position

[viscid wind]

my gifs suck

[viscid wind]

the black knife literally looks like a baseball bat initially

[sage glade]

remove the last one for my sake

[neon adder]

I would say that "Dess is the Knight" theory is all-but-confirmed but if anyone were to pull a masterfully laid out bait n’ switch it would be Tricky Tony

[viscid wind]

is dess a baseball player? i thought that was ness

[patent heath]

I raised up my bat. You should raise up your bat too.

[neon adder]

You mean Sans, deadnaming ain’t cool, and Dess is famous for using a whiffle bat

Hell, their favorite music video is Raise Up Your Bat

[viscid wind]

whatever, nerd

[sage glade]

agree

[patent heath]

[sage glade]

.*

[cedar trench]

girl at the beach next to me is incredibly similar to an ex

creepy

[young saffron]

Wtf is the nutrients for soya beans

[cedar trench]

protein

[young saffron]

Cheap af
Calorie dense
Protein high

😭

[young saffron]

Myfitnesspal estimates for 100g of soya it's 52 Grams of protein

How the hell

[sage glade]

thas why tofu is the goat

[viscid wind]

any garry's mod players in chat?

[quartz cave]

Hi discussion

[viscid wind]

hi :cowl:

[quartz cave]

Bye chat

[sage glade]

i played half life if that counts

[viscid wind]

no it dont

[alpine star]

I ask myself if we will see more stuff with her dad

[viscid wind]

whose dad ?

[alpine star]

Hornets dad

[umbral ether]

the pale king?

[alpine star]

Yeah the Pale King

[umbral ether]

isn't he dead

[alpine star]

Well idk tbh

Since He is a worm he could have become anything lol

[viscid wind]

pale king didnt spend any time with hornet, no?

[umbral ether]

looks pretty dead

[umbral ether]

wyrm not worm

[alpine star]

His wyrm body also Looks Pretty dead and still he became this Form instead

[umbral ether]

depends on if silksong is a prequal or sequal i guess

[alpine star]

But we dk Bro was like "Im Getting the milk " to his Citizens

[sage glade]

i highly suspect she will at least bring him up during passing conversations

if only with snide remarks

[viscid wind]

it's actually a parallel story like deltarune is! it obviously is happening at the same time as hollow knight

[sage glade]

classic it-all-happened-after-the-first-but-before-the-second-hornet-fight theory

like where do you think she learned the spike skills in the sentinel fight

[heavy nacelle]

silksong takes place because of time travel

[viscid wind]

silksong doesnt take place.

hornet is in a coma and it all happens in her imagination

[umbral ether]

silksong isn't real

[heavy nacelle]

you play as the titular tc

trying to release silksong in time

speedrun wr is like 6 years

[floral delta]

Idk if I can beat that

I can maybe do 10 years

[normal token]

The better theory
After-the-first-but-when-she-gets-the-spike-tool-she-goes-back-then-after-she-completes-the-rest-of-silksong-then-goes-back

Throw all logic out of thewindow

[viscid wind]

matpat ahh theory

[unborn hamlet]

Pale king clearly just turned into elder bug/j

[cyan forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146057092420087870/1396414349337432157/image-177.webp?ex=687dffb5&is=687cae35&hm=c8bf48ba08b258f1fa9763fc6fb9cf485298230061deb3ce6426342b67c8b17e&

[midnight trout]

i need help thinking of an idea for a gameplay loop for an incremental

i have liek 2 ideas but they kinda shi

1 of them is minesweeper

and the other was

i forgot

[young saffron]

Welcome back hideo kojima

[midnight trout]

oh wait the other oen was dave the diver kinda gameplay

but that would be very unoriginal

and i dont think it would turn out well

[patent heath]

That's now how the original line went.

[midnight trout]

this is the skill tree system ive made so far

[open narwhal]

@patent heath

[patent heath]

@open narwhal

[open narwhal]

gmcb

[patent heath]

Gmcb.

[umbral ether]

what does gmcb mean

[open narwhal]

idk

[lament lotus]

spill it

[umbral ether]

i googled it and all im getting is green mountain care board

[coral prawn]

Yup

[umbral ether]

ruina with nogrind is fun

[lament lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[umbral ether]

i can have 5 phillip keypages on one floor thanks to a mod

[viscid wind]

Any barotrauma mains in chat

[coral prawn]

I need to finish Ruina,,,,

And lob corp

[umbral ether]

how far did you get in ruina before stopping

[umbral ether]

this is not normal

[coral prawn]

Star of the city the fights I have left are ||Xiao and purple tear||

[viscid wind]

Yo is that balatro

[umbral ether]

no libray of runia

[umbral ether]

i have all of the sotc fights left

[sinful flare]

The poor children! deltarune ref

[umbral ether]

the children deserve it in this case

as it was a 7 phase boss fight

[viscid wind]

Crying xhild,,, from ,,, bfndanf

bfnaf

[coral prawn]

the sotc fights are fun but as someone who is ass at making builds I am struggling a lot

[umbral ether]

my builds are just building around a certain dice type for each floor

or status in malkuth's case

and then just copying it on each libarian it has worked so far

phillip has no right to look this cool

[coral prawn]

I disagree Phillip is my goat

By far one of my favorite designs in all 3 games

[umbral ether]

yeah he looks like he is holding the dark sign

https://tenor.com/view/fire-flame-soul-of-cinder-dark-souls-gaming-gif-17288411

[dusk pilot]

Is that phillip dark souls

[umbral ether]

no that is phillip ruina

[dusk pilot]

Is the game good

[viscid wind]

Hello???? Can I not fucking sideload apps anymore??? Fuck you.

[umbral ether]

the story is amazing

[dusk pilot]

What about the game

[umbral ether]

the gameplay is kinda grindy if you aren't using a mod that removes it

[dusk pilot]

Which mod

[umbral ether]

nogrind

[dusk pilot]

Thanks

[umbral ether]

but you will need a mod called basemod and i would reccomend also getting the achivement unlocker mod

[sage glade]

L new phone

[sinful flare]

@sage glade @cunning geode this is absurd

i just found plating gg

32 max hp

i just found a module that adds dot damage too wtf

[sinful flare]

just root the phone and install an actually sane rom idk

[cedar trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sFbAt0paec

[umbral ether]

that is different to what i've seen so far

[sinful flare]

there are often rooms where youre enclosed in tunnels by walls this is an epic module

i am kind of jealous that skully has the most fun keywords though

to have this kind of effect on other playable characters you need to find antique weapons

[umbral ether]

i am now more confused i have not beaten the machine yet

but i got pretty close i think before dying

[sinful flare]

yeah

this charcater i think requires you to beat the game maybe once or twice to unlock

[umbral ether]

this is the fartherest i've gotten

[sinful flare]

machine is pretty moderate in terms of difficulty

have you checked the show hitbox option

it always shows your hitbox with a green dot

[umbral ether]

i have had thta on the entire time i've been playing

[worn valley]

Silksong yesterday

[sinful flare]

have you bought the mirror then

[umbral ether]

yes

[sinful flare]

you can practice the machine

i think it only requires you to encounter the boss

though it might be that you have to beat the boss instead idk

[shell stream]

no you have to beat the boss

[sinful flare]

that sucks

which also means i cant practice ||chaosgod|| zzzzzzzzz

@shell stream does the mirror let you practice bosses ||in a specific loop|| btw

i doubt it does

[shell stream]

it does

set loop outside of mirror then open mirror

[viscid wind]

This phone is multiple years old worstie

[sinful flare]

oh

[dusk pilot]

Yeah i think it needs to be latest version

[sinful flare]

i also dont like how the game doesnt let you pracitce ||gauntlet|| bosses

[young saffron]

I wish I had cookies

[sinful flare]

which sucks because ||already getting armsmaster ex is an rng roll and you cant practice gauntlet bosses in the mirror nor can you practice bosses you havent beat at all either so sucks for you||

||unlocking armsmaster is so ass 🥀||

[shell stream]

you can just repeat the floor

can't say I had any issues with unlocking armsmaster

[midnight trout]

is this person stupid? wait its X (formerly known as twitter)

[carmine island]

Wow a sniper rifle that shoots bullets what a cool concept

Curse of misspeaking and people not looking in the replies

I do hate that tho

Like

Not looking into it any further than face value

[sinful flare]

you can repeat the floor huh what

[shell stream]

savequitting before going to the next floor puts you at the start of the floor

[sinful flare]

so if i get down to 1 hp i can just restart floor

[shell stream]

indeed

it's dev intended, although its maybe a little cheesy

idk armsmaster isn't really a tough fight either way

[sinful flare]

so i can use this to beat armsmaster ex and ig the boss always appears the same

btw can you unlock stuff in a seeded run

[shell stream]

idr but I think so

achievements for sure

there is seed variance, but it shouldn't change the gauntlet boss

iirc devs mentioned armsmaster is twice as likely to spawn before you unlock

something like 2/6 vs 1/5

[sinful flare]

yeah like last 3 or 4 times i went to the gauntlet i either got compressor or the snake boss lol

[shell stream]

just play the game

by all means you'll unlock it organically before you run out of stuff to do

[sinful flare]

ig ill keep spamming normal difficulty runs

i already unlocked nearly everything

[shell stream]

no, you did not

[sinful flare]

wdym

[shell stream]

you've said yourself you're on, what, L1?

[sinful flare]

oh yeah

l1

[shell stream]

and you haven't beaten t4 temple either

[sinful flare]

well

yeah

[shell stream]

you've got a lot of stuff to do before you run out of options

[sinful flare]

ive beaten t4 warden

not the boss after it though

[shell stream]

also gauntlet doesn't scale with loops, it's not gonna get any harder if you progress

[sinful flare]

yeah

[shell stream]

none of the piñata special rooms scale

[sinful flare]

i'll do runs until i get to a gauntlet that has armsmaster as the boss

ill also note down the seed of it when i do lol

or i can just restart floor actually

[jade canopy]

Me when brand

[strange gulch]

I have made this sandwich before. It tasted quite good not gonna lie

[magic dagger]

just looked at the SS steam page and it said that will be availeble on windows but will it be availeble on mac

[sage glade]

hope not

[cedar trench]

people who use macbooks lowkey gotta die bro

[lament lotus]

true

whatd they do

[patent heath]

Use macbooks.

[subtle flint]

I survived

[dusk pilot]

Congrats what did u survive

[subtle flint]

A party

[dusk pilot]

What kind of party

[normal token]

Silksong will be available for Mac yes

A month ago steamdb was updated to list mac

[dusk pilot]

Japan also has a lower cost to living and is region locked

[shell stream]

no it's 100% price discrimination

localizing prices is good for business

(price discrimination sounds bad but it's just the technical term)

[dusk pilot]

Could be

[shell stream]

might be cheaper tbh\

[dusk pilot]

Its not even taxed in eu

[obsidian owl]

the japanese switch is region locked

because nintendo hates consumers

[velvet turtle]

does it just brick if you exit japan

[shell stream]

iirc your nintendo account has to be associated w/ japan

[velvet turtle]

oh

[shell stream]

and the home menu UI is all in japanese only or some such?

[dusk pilot]

It will be in japanese and

U can only use japan based payment system

[obsidian owl]

you need to use a japanese nintendo account, can only use japanese games, etc

[shell stream]

no you can play other games

they're just not covered by nintendo policy guarantees

[strange gulch]

Also, JP retailers will check your citizenship. If you're a citizen outside of JP, they will reject you from buying S2. This is to basically prevent you from buying them cheap there and then reselling them outside. (I forgot if this is for all orders of S2 or just large orders of S2s)

[velvet turtle]

no way cro.

[dusk pilot]

Yeah but only when it released recently

[velvet turtle]

i mean i get not wanting your product sold elsewhere but like

[dusk pilot]

Mostly scalpers

There is reason nintendo hasnt released active switch 2 user data

[obsidian owl]

the wii u was also really good sales wise at the start of its cycle

[velvet turtle]

from what ive heard it has a 10$ tech demo (not including the other accessories to 100% it)

[dusk pilot]

U cant nintendo gonna get ya

They are a bit too trigger happy

So we can play with it like a ball

Shut down?

[velvet turtle]

this is why i use playstation bro 💔

[dusk pilot]

Sony isnt any better

[jade canopy]

I mean its really expensive but like
the console is good, the hardware you get for a portable 500$ package is very decent, you can play the nintendo exclusives...
I don't get why people are screeching so badly
Like yeah its expensive af, well, people ready to shell that much money will get it, you won't

[dusk pilot]

It has no games

U can atleast complain to your eu rep about this

[obsidian owl]

10€ upcharge for physical games is something everyone should be angry about
nintendo of all companies increasing the price of games is also something that everyone should be mad about

[jade canopy]

it has the whole switch 1 line up
I have a friend who had a launch switch 1, which was starting to have fan issues, batterie issues, screen issues after like 7 years of use

So they got the switch 2 and are happy

[strange gulch]

I think it's overpriced but not outrageously overpriced like some people might think

[shell stream]

ignoring the pretty anti-consumer shit they pulled, it's an ok deal

though I think a worse deal than other handheld consoles

[dusk pilot]

I think it was priced well but nintendos ganes prices are what makes it unaffordable

[obsidian owl]

do you not break them off lol

[dusk pilot]

Then why are u ranting about eu prices

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naxAeynmJTc

[shell stream]

oh, don't forget, they aren't actually physical either

they're a download key on a cartridge

[obsidian owl]

yeah, i don’t understand how anyone can still defend nintendo lmao

[subtle flint]

The one where there's a bunch of alcohol

[dusk pilot]

did u pick someone up?

[jade canopy]

just wait t'ill GTA6 one ups that price hike once again
the industry isn't going well so everyone is trying to raise prices

no one talks about the preorders of collector editions which allow to play the game like a week in advance
that is also basically just a 30$ price hike at launch that lasts for a week

[shell stream]

that ship unfortunately sailed over a decade ago

[obsidian owl]

nintendo is not making games at the scope of gta6 lmao

[dusk pilot]

Imagine if tc made skong like 90 dollars

[strange gulch]

here, Nintendo is already super unafforable. Like 80 USD here is enough to provide food for a small family for a week*. And then they wonder why people are pirating their games
-# depending on region

what

[shell stream]

more than a week if you really pinch it

[dusk pilot]

We dont even have nintendo officially here lol

[shell stream]

but most people want to live on more than rice and beans

[strange gulch]

we don't either too

[dusk pilot]

80 dollars is close to a college studebts rent in the capital man

[obsidian owl]

at this point the nintendo defenders are starting to sound like that one pokimane or whatever she is called streamer

[shell stream]

god I wish $80/mo was rent here

[valid sable]

Eat only ramen and you go like 2 months on $80

[obsidian owl]

i think you die from nutrient defficiency on month 2 but slay girl

[shell stream]

beans and rice will last you probably 4 or so

[digital crater]

what woll silksong cost?

[shell stream]

and you won't die of a deficiency

(as long as you eat brown rice you won't get scurvy)

[dusk pilot]

U should also add some fruit and veg with rice and beans

[shell stream]

that would cost more

[dusk pilot]

It would also make u healthier

[shell stream]

and like, yeah you'd be healthier but you hit pretty much everything you need to live with just beans and rice

so for the purposes of cutting costs

[dusk pilot]

Fiber minerals irons etc

[valid sable]

Go with canned tuna, last a month on $80, lots of protein

[jade canopy]

i mean its not about defending or rooting against just like...
stop being so polarised
companies are companies, they want to make money so make moves to make big money
they all do it, sony by doing exclusives to force you onto buying your console, nintendo doing the same, xbox has a super aggressive gamepass which is subscription in hope of scamming people who forget to use their subscriptions

like what annoys me is people acting as if they were backstabbed by nintendo
no, its just... brands, brands do brand stuff

[shell stream]

you're not gonna need fiber I can say that much

[opaque sigil]

people love being parasocial with big companies what can ya do

[dusk pilot]

We want to spend money in a capitalist society we need to hold those abuse consumers trust responisble to truly function properly

[jade canopy]

if you want to complain about nintendo, something you can actually complain about is them killing off fan games
that is utter BS

[dusk pilot]

True and rom hacks for pokemon

[shell stream]

yeah they're pretty awful about modding and romhacking

[jade canopy]

trust ? what are you about
its all there, the prices are up front, the internals of the console are upfront

Nintendo isn't scamming you if you buy a switch 2, how are they breaching your trust ?

[shell stream]

plus they don't provide enough support for old games

[dusk pilot]

I dont even understand why modding is the reason skyrim survived

[frosty oyster]

some dude got his switch 2 bricked by nintendo after buying a game off of facebook marketplace btw

[valid sable]

Trust in being reasonable and pro-consumer, which you can't trust most companies for these days

[dusk pilot]

Bricking consoles

[jade canopy]

ehh, lets not go down that path too much
like fan games are a thing, roms for old games are another, and nintendo isn't really that aggressive on that

Switch roms and emulation is something else completely different

[shell stream]

I haven't read into the recent news but I remember the first wave of stuff being largely false

maybe have changed idk

[dusk pilot]

They got fbi to shut them down

[shell stream]

either way it's in their policy so it's fucked up anyways

[jade canopy]

they brick consoles if you pirate them
and the bricking info was known before launch

[obsidian owl]

10€ upcharge for “physical” games is a very valid thing to complain about

[shell stream]

well, they say theyll do it

[dusk pilot]

There catridige system is pretty bad

[shell stream]

the news I read was all very much false, but that was a month ago

[opaque sigil]

the amount of disinformation about a game console is very funny

[shell stream]

in general their whole attitude of licensing and not ownership is really awful

[subtle flint]

No :c

[opaque sigil]

no this is normal and has been for a long time

[dusk pilot]

But hey if we get release date for silksong from nintendo i am willing to forgive them

[jade canopy]

like people, don't act surprise when Nintendo shuts off piracy
piracy isn't liked by companies
switch emulation was mostly used for piracy, and bricking consoles is if you try to jailbreak them

"oh no, my jailbroke system is unusable now"
no shit, you jailbroke it, that always is risky

[subtle flint]

Was hoping a friend or a friend was there

[dusk pilot]

Sad i couldnt get one either

[subtle flint]

But no

[opaque sigil]

this is how digital distribution of media works

[jade canopy]

fair, I kinda like physical media, and it is sad to see everyone shooting it down

[shell stream]

no you can very much own a digital product

[static phoenix]

true but when you buy the game online you get a license while the physical copy you actually own

[opaque sigil]

not really

[jade canopy]

yeah if you buy a drm free copy on gog

[obsidian owl]

nintendo explicitly says they will brick your console if you jailbreak it
that is not a consequence of it being “risky”, that’s just malicious destruction of property

[shell stream]

...yes, really

DRM is not mandatory

[dusk pilot]

And the license isnt for perpetuity

[jade canopy]

everything else is not ownership

[opaque sigil]

even that isn't the same as physically owning something

[shell stream]

it's still ownership, legally speaking

[opaque sigil]

you're making shit up

[obsidian owl]

jailbreaking is perfectly legal under most jurisdictions because you can do whatever you want with the things you own

[dusk pilot]

I am not companies can revoke that liscence

[shell stream]

if you've got a disk drive with the software, installed or a CD ROM with the software, there's not really much difference

[opaque sigil]

bruh

at this point the complaint isn't about nintendo it's about almost every storefront, do you despise steam?

[dusk pilot]

Yes

[static phoenix]

so i can legally create a bomb because i own the ingredients and then blow up my own house cause i own it 😊

[shell stream]

not exactly happy with valve, no

[dusk pilot]

Do u know how many childrens life got ruined by cs gambling

[obsidian owl]

that is such a bad faith argument i win’t even engage with it

[shell stream]

the guys who own pretty much a total monopoly over the PC market and invented lootboxes go on my shitlist for sure

[jade canopy]

that's a complicated topic tbh
like you had examples with trucks which had malicious software implementations like that
but historically consoles have always been very closed system with tons of anti jailbreak measures

I don't see why you should expect a console to be jailbrokenable
like iirc the ps5, Xbox one and Xbox one X are all not jailbrokenable, and no one really complains
the thing is that nintendo's method of anti jailbreaking is to brick the device if they see you attempt

[opaque sigil]

people only complain because it's nintendo

[obsidian owl]

anti jailbreak measures is one thing
bricking the console is another

[static phoenix]

but how would they know that you jailbroke it tho? are they watching everything you do or smth

[dusk pilot]

I think our philosphiy of owenership is just diffrent here

[shell stream]

yeah what nintendo said they would do is like, super illegal in the EU

and iirc in the US too but honestly I didn't read up on that

(which is why their EULA is different in EU, btw)

[jade canopy]

its... a method amongst others
I don't know enough about jailbreaking, but I know that it is commonly assumed that bricking your device can happen when you jailbreak, and I wonder if that isn't something all companies do

[obsidian owl]

it’s not a method that is legal in most jurisdictions lmao

[shell stream]

as far as I'm aware the standard for console manufacturers is that you own the console you buy, no?

[jade canopy]

its not switch specific was my point
don't shit on nintendo, shit on every console maker ever

[opaque sigil]

ps5 user agreement has the same shit in it

[obsidian owl]

“oh you use this is in a way i don’t want? i’m gonna break this thing that you bought and own” so true

[shell stream]

ps5 has the same shit in it for the games

[opaque sigil]

if you buy a switch 2 you own it
you also get a license to use the software because it would be pretty useless without it

[obsidian owl]

point me towards it

[shell stream]

not the console iirc

[opaque sigil]

yes for the console

[dusk pilot]

We do but the convo started with nintendos double faced pricing strat

[shell stream]

afaik no, at least not outside of EU

idk I'm not well read enough on it but I did skim the eula a month ago

[opaque sigil]

you do own it

it's a physical thing you buy they can't fuckin repo it

[shell stream]

ownership implies more than that

like, legally speaking

right to repair and a bunch of shit

[dusk pilot]

Yes but it is useless without the propreitary software

[opaque sigil]

this is how every computer and console works

well not every computer but every console

you buy the thing and get a license to use the software

[shell stream]

yeah the software is explicitly not sold

it is licensed

[silk zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/repo-game-indie-horror-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-16093430096844533032

[dusk pilot]

Right to repair is a very intresting subject but should not be mentioned with regards to consoles because they are pretty fixable

[shell stream]

and idk I feel like firmware should come with the hardware

[opaque sigil]

it does

the hardware comes with a license to use the software

[dusk pilot]

But it shouldnt is our point

[shell stream]

I was just giving an example of the legislation surrounding it

[opaque sigil]

that's insane

[shell stream]

i.e. ownership is more than having the thing

[dusk pilot]

Same was said of democracy looke where we are

[opaque sigil]

[dusk pilot]

I dont have a problem with it costing more

[shell stream]

and this just, isn't the same thing

[opaque sigil]

some people have never heard of an eula lmao

[dusk pilot]

Just give me the option

[obsidian owl]

eulas are largely unenforcable and don’t automatically hold up in court

[shell stream]

they also have no bearing on morality

period.

[dusk pilot]

True it voilates the principle of bargainung when it comes to contracts

[obsidian owl]

just because is it is the eula, doesn’t mean that it is even legal to do

[jade canopy]

i was searching sony TOS regarding jailbreak
you get banned from all online feature if you jail break, which depending on how you look at it, is taking away part of what you bought the console for because you jailbroke
not airtight research

[shell stream]

nah that's generally pretty standard

[obsidian owl]

no online features != bricking

[shell stream]

nintendo did that with switch 1 too

I imagine xbox does the same thing

[dusk pilot]

Yeah thats what bricking a console is

[shell stream]

it's a security feature more than anything else in that case

but importantly they're still functional offline

idk if you can still download games but even without you'd still be able to add games to the drive externally

[dusk pilot]

It is almost impossible to remotely remove the capibilty of a console to function offline legealy

[opaque sigil]

that is not what that word means

[dusk pilot]

Then tell me how else do they brick it

[opaque sigil]

if that's what they do it's not bricked at all

[brittle garnet]

Bricking just means it is not functional. Cant use it at all

[shell stream]

in the case of the switch that'd basically mean deleting the OS

or frying a component but they don't do that (yet)

[magic narwhal]

Man do I hate how much fear mongering there is with Switch 2 rumours

[dusk pilot]

No updates no digital only games on online multiplayer 60% ability of a console removed

[opaque sigil]

are people actually complaining about online functionality being removed from a jailbroken console

[magic narwhal]

Can confirm, a lot of them are just flat out false

[shell stream]

I'm not, no

[obsidian owl]

no

[opaque sigil]

if so that's so genuinely beyond fucking stupid

[obsidian owl]

one person is

[magic narwhal]

People freaked tf out about virtual game cards because they thought they were losing access to owning their own games....

[shell stream]

I mean virtual game cards are just a scummy move

[jade canopy]

I mean tbh, I still don’t understand how Nintendo can brick your console if you try to jailbreak
Like wouldn’t a successful jailbreak bypass that security measure anyways ? Like isn’t that what a jailbreak is about ?

[obsidian owl]

…which is completely valid

[magic narwhal]

No....You're not....It's just a software change to make game sharing easier

Maybe actually take a lot at the hecking update before you spread misinfo

[shell stream]

it makes game sharing easier, but also makes it harder in a few ways

and compared to what, say, steam has, it's super behind the curve

[magic narwhal]

People also thought this meant digital only when it was debunked live in the Direct

[obsidian owl]

a jailbreak doesn’t mean getting past all security measures. the switch 1 was a bootrom exploit so you had access to pretty much everything. nintendo could still detect that something is up server side tho and ban you from online

[magic narwhal]

Like there's dumb, then there's just ignoring information lol

[cedar trench]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-it/track/0mwlZQjUxspUTpAzLwexw7?si=c06aaa09def3434c

[obsidian owl]

oh you mean that other thing

[shell stream]

yeah the kinda shitty family sharing feature

[cedar trench]

POV kilos in my maybach

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyamsxdmgxZHptcGFsODZodm42cW8zc2t1MnZnN25kN3dkYjR3MXpmOSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/T3UKi5uDvJrrXg3QhX/giphy.gif

[magic narwhal]

I mean the virtual game card update as a whole as a precursor to Switch 2

[shell stream]

overall an improvement, but that doesn't mean it's not a bad way to implement it

idk didn't affect me at all

[obsidian owl]

it’s very low on my complaints list
i think it’s stupid but i also don’t really care

[opaque sigil]

if somebody's fucking around with the console in ways that they shouldn't they absolutely should be banned from online functionality because why the fuck would any sane person want them playing multiplayer games with a modded console, that's just asking for cheaters

[shell stream]

yeah pretty much same

[magic narwhal]

It doesn't remove your ability to use physical cards at all but people love to fear monger this console

[shell stream]

when did any of us say that

[obsidian owl]

again, nobody but one person complained

[dusk pilot]

This would be rap album of the year if not for jid

[magic narwhal]

Not saying it was said here but it is said by these same people complaining about supposed console bricking

[obsidian owl]

y’all are just fighting against imaginary people at this point

[cedar trench]

it's not even out yet

[shell stream]

nah people complaining about the physical stuff are mostly complaining about the increased price and the fact that the game isn't actually on the thing you buy

[cedar trench]

keep it in your pants

[dusk pilot]

I trust

[shell stream]

minus, like, the CDPR physical games

[magic narwhal]

Like honestly I can't feel as bad for you when you probably are a) doing something to your console that's illegal or b) you are just misinforming people again because there's a precendent for it lol

[shell stream]

it's not illegal

[cedar trench]

this album has this 3 song run

[obsidian owl]

jailbreaking is not illegal

[dusk pilot]

Jid is a musical god also animals

[opaque sigil]

the change to how physical things work is also probably motivated in part by the read speed of the actual SD cards, 'real' physical copies would be a lot more expensive to produce

[magic narwhal]

Correction: something that goes against Nintendo's policies and has for years

[shell stream]

yeah in the US it's protected by right to repair laws

policies aren't laws

[dusk pilot]

Nintendo is not law

[shell stream]

and are not a good basis for morality

[obsidian owl]

doesn’t allow them to brick your console

[cedar trench]

i'll listen to the album when it drops

tyler tomorrow

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303092418828042270/1318599100748271667/tumblr_49daab06cd0a97afadd1710ad1ea115e_2d1449bd_400.webp

[dusk pilot]

Tyler just dont make the new album depressing

I am happy this time

[obsidian owl]

i’m just waiting for the first wave of bricks so we can see what happens in a class action lawsuit

[magic narwhal]

I mean people have been ruining some online experiences for people in recents years with jailbroken shit so eh?

[obsidian owl]

it’s not illegal, end of story

[magic narwhal]

If you wanna do that stuff, keep it offline

[shell stream]

that's a separate issue yes

people are upset that modifying the switch risks removing its offline functionality too

[cedar trench]

removing online is fine you should still be able to play though lol

[obsidian owl]

nintendo doesn’t want you to be able to do it offline either though. removing online functionality is fine and has been standard practice for years upon years. bricking a console is illegal and hasn’t been done by anone for that very reason

[shell stream]

yeah banning modified clients is pretty basic security 101

[dusk pilot]

I agree

[shell stream]

bricking a console isn't illegal, unfortunately

[cedar trench]

they tied jim jones to a rod and started spinning him over an open fire

[shell stream]

not worldwide

it's illegal in the EU at least

[obsidian owl]

i am almost 100% sure that that shit would not hold up in the EU

[dusk pilot]

The visualiser noooo

[obsidian owl]

yeah i’m talking EU i am not familiar with other jurisdictions

[cedar trench]

nas dropped a diss apparently?

[shell stream]

it doesn't, that part of the nintendo eula doesn't happen in the EU

[magic narwhal]

I can also see from a business perspective why they just straight up want it to stop, say your switch breaks for whatever reason and is modified

[dusk pilot]

Nas is still alive? What is he like 60

[obsidian owl]

cowards

[magic narwhal]

Is the repair guy at your game store gonna know how to fix a modded console? Not guaranteed

[cedar trench]

he literally appeared on let god sort em out/chandelier whaaaat

it's oldhead summer get with the times

notorious 90 year old freddie gibbs is also dropping

[obsidian owl]

it’s something you do on your own risk, so this doesn’t apply whatsoever

[shell stream]

kind of a bad faith argument against right to repair ngl

[dusk pilot]

Yeah but a diss at 60

[magic narwhal]

Will the customer still blame that on Nintendo as the producer? Probably

[obsidian owl]

no?

[shell stream]

modifications happen at the owner's risk, the company is in no trouble

[cedar trench]

as long as it's good i'm geeting that shit with open arms

[brittle garnet]

This reminds me of a scandal in Poland's train systems, where the manufacturer put hidden DRM on the trains' electronic systems that would stop the train and make it inoperable if it was repaired at different repair stations than the ones the manufacturer owns, or with parts the manufacturer doesnt sell

[magic narwhal]

It happens

[dusk pilot]

Ll with em was also not on my list

[shell stream]

ahhhh, cyberpunk

[cedar trench]

as i said oldhead summer

[jade canopy]

yeah there are a lot of other stories like that

[obsidian owl]

people kill others with kitchen knifes, should they be outlawed?

[magic narwhal]

But also like if you're at the point of jailbreaking honestly just emulate

[jade canopy]

you had the same with a big tractor manufacturer

[cedar trench]

ghostface killah is also dropping iirc

[shell stream]

this is also bad faith! stop cherry picking

[dusk pilot]

New snoop song

[opaque sigil]

bruh

[cedar trench]

zzzzz

can't gaf about snoop

[dusk pilot]

Now thats a name i have never heard

[dusk pilot]

Last dance with mary jane tom perry

[cedar trench]

wu tang

[brittle garnet]

Its so obvious, they literally hardcoded the geo coordinates of competing repair businesses and made the train stop if it was at those coordinates

[opaque sigil]

doing that on a train is crazy just shut down that entire track

[dusk pilot]

Damn thats like from my parents time

[jade canopy]

but those are kinda different because usually trains and tractors aren't bought for their software as much as the hardware
while consoles are practically all software
like why buy a console and not just a gaming PC if you only cared about the hardware

[obsidian owl]

sooo your solution to nintendo being anti consumer is doing something that doesn’t have a clear consensus on whether or not it is legal and putting yourself in even hotter water?

[magic narwhal]

Cherry picking would imply I'm not acknowledging the other side lol, I know not everyone does this but a lot of people have this mindset

[obsidian owl]

especially with nintendo?

[magic narwhal]

It's not anti consumer.....it's anti modder

[brittle garnet]

And it had some dumbshit arbitrary glitches that would stop the train but are easy removed by a repairman coming in and doing some proprietary software update

[shell stream]

hence why people are arguing you should own the software rather than license it

[cedar trench]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-it/track/3fZd2UtWZMntClCSnJ7PDY?si=a942d616c53a4e6d

[magic narwhal]

90% of the playerbase will not have to deal with this lol

[cedar trench]

i like how they teased this track so casually

[obsidian owl]

if i bought the hardware, i get to do whatever i want with it

[jade canopy]

hench why I don't buy consoles

[dusk pilot]

I didnt see it

[cedar trench]

as if it's not one of the best of the album

SHE WANT
MIKE TYSON BLOW TO THE FACE

[shell stream]

...right, or keep arguing in bad faith

have fun with that

[dusk pilot]

Kendrick one takes the cake for me

[opaque sigil]

advanced planned obsolescence

[magic narwhal]

And the only thing they're restricting is modding but keep acting like it makes them full stop anti consumer I guess

[cedar trench]

the verse wasn't the best of the song

[brittle garnet]

Yeah they got sued to hell

[cedar trench]

issue

[shell stream]

fair enough. I haven't read the ps5 eula so idk how it differs, but iirc it's still less harsh than the nintendo eula

[dusk pilot]

But pusha showed up pretty strong

[shell stream]

either way none of the console manufacturers are really great

[obsidian owl]

but… that’s not the only anti consumer thing they are doing?

[cedar trench]

also mentioning a genocide on a track produced known idf supporter pharrel felt kinda tone deaf

[brittle garnet]

Actually the hackers that discovered the train DRM made a video about it

[dusk pilot]

I dont know about that

[opaque sigil]

is it in English because it sounds interesting

[cedar trench]

left a bad taste in my mouth that's all

[shell stream]

it is a bit tone deaf for sure

[dusk pilot]

I dont know the situation so cant comment on it

[magic narwhal]

I would argue Sony is honestly the most anti consumer out of the big 3 because of IP hoarding and pricing

[obsidian owl]

well whatever

you have fun

[brittle garnet]

Yeah, they explain p much everything
https://youtu.be/XrlrbfGZo2k

[opaque sigil]

alright, thanks

[obsidian owl]

this sounds fucked up what the hell

[magic narwhal]

Yeah Nintendo sales don't happen a huge amount, but they usually are cheaper at launch than the other Triple A studios lol

[dusk pilot]

I think comparing who is worse is a bit of a fooolish task all of them are bad

[obsidian owl]

90€ for mario kart world

you are actually just ragebaiting at this point

[dusk pilot]

10 dollar paid demo

[brittle garnet]

We can agree every big tech company is evil and move on

[magic narwhal]

Ah my poor boy you have not seen $100 JRPGs have you?

[shell stream]

is it 90 euro for the physical? what'st he digital price?

[cedar trench]

80

[obsidian owl]

80

[dusk pilot]

Except my fav one

[shell stream]

ok same as US I figured as much

don't by the physical version

it's uh, not a physical version

[magic narwhal]

Square loves jacking prices on big names a lot of the time

[obsidian owl]

90€ mario kart world

[shell stream]

looks it's not 90 euros

it's 80

[obsidian owl]

i don’t buy digital games from nintendo

[magic narwhal]

Deluxe edition KH3: $229

[dusk pilot]

Both are true square is greedy so is nintendo

[obsidian owl]

it’s 90€

[shell stream]

the physical version isn't a physical game

it's a digital download key on a cartridge

it's also a digital game

it's just a $10 idiot tax

or 10 euro

[obsidian owl]

you are just lying now

[dusk pilot]

Grumb did u see ghost of yotei collector edition

[cedar trench]

so be it is so funny because the entire track took a detour for push to say the most vile shit imaginable then it came back to normal for the final hook

[dusk pilot]

Old kanye gambit

[obsidian owl]

iirc some games are actually physical and mario kart world is one of those, no?

[magic narwhal]

This....

Ugggh

This is also false

[cedar trench]

wym it was aimed at travis

[dusk pilot]

Nah kanye used to do it

[cedar trench]

did he

[magic narwhal]

There is a cart, you just have an upgrade pack to Switch 2

[cedar trench]

like push did

i mean

[shell stream]

maybe it's physical for world idk. They were pretty clear the standard was towards download keys

[obsidian owl]

yeah

[shell stream]

I'll go check

[magic narwhal]

So this is a bunch of misinfo

[dusk pilot]

Similar it was pretty funny he said some wild things

[obsidian owl]

it’s not

[magic narwhal]

The reason people are leaning towards keys is simple

[obsidian owl]

physical games still are mostly not actually physical

[magic narwhal]

There are 2 options for devs for Switch 2

[shell stream]

oh right the first party games are all there

[magic narwhal]

64 gig cart or key

[shell stream]

but very few of the third party games are

[cedar trench]

"You cried in front of me
You died in front of me
Calabasas took your bitch and your pride in front of me "

[magic narwhal]

Most third parties and devs will opt for key because it is cheaper

[dusk pilot]

Diabolical

[obsidian owl]

maybe the solution is to not use outdated technology then

[cedar trench]

how do you even reply to that

[magic narwhal]

No this does not mean you can only develop for keys

[shell stream]

it's still a shitty policy

[dusk pilot]

Pusha can ruin carrers if he didnt give a shit

[obsidian owl]

yea this does mean that the vast majority of physical games are not actually physical

[dusk pilot]

That drake line ohhhh

[cedar trench]

was there a drake line on the album?

[dusk pilot]

Na on his infamous diss

[obsidian owl]

@shell stream i think they are rage baiting we are just wasting time

[shell stream]

I mean, good to know the first party games are gonna be physical

[magic narwhal]

There's not even enough Switch 2 releases for this to be true yet lmao

[dusk pilot]

U are hiding another child

[shell stream]

all... two of them

[magic narwhal]

And also anything currently releasing on Switch 2 most of the time is also on Switch 1

So....just no?

[shell stream]

yeah pretty much

[magic narwhal]

No on this point I have no idea what your point is lol

Console has been out for a month what "vast majority" are you talking about lmao

[dusk pilot]

I think this disscusion is just off the rails here

[shell stream]

there were about 30 games with physical switch 2 versions when the switch launched

about half of them were game key cards

[magic narwhal]

Some of them like Deltarune it's not even because of the console

Toby Fox just doesn't wanna work on a physical till it's done

[shell stream]

deltarune doesn't have a physical release, no?

[dusk pilot]

Deltarune isnt conplete yet

[magic narwhal]

Don't think so but it was still one of the launch titles and has a Switch 2 version

[shell stream]

right so it's a complete non sequitur

and literally irrelevant to what I said

[dusk pilot]

Is that link with a bucket bucket hat @shell stream

[shell stream]

nah its one of the npcs

but it is totk

[dusk pilot]

Ahh make sense

Didnt look like him

[magic narwhal]

Actually what ones are actually out yet lol

Cyberpunk and Street Fighter I think? 7's not

Cyberpunk has a cart

[shell stream]

hogwarts legacy (yuck), split fiction, civ 7, cyberpunk, sf6, hitman, yakuza, shadow labyrinth, and a handful of japanese-only releases off the top of my head

and dozens more within a month

[sage glade]

what happened

[shell stream]

of those... only cyberpunk is an actual cartridge

[sage glade]

spill the tea

[magic narwhal]

Oh look at that so does Street Fighter

So uh

[dusk pilot]

I started a war

[obsidian owl]

nintendo apologist just making up points as they go

[shell stream]

no, sf6 is a key card

[magic narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8DmRwIw5TE

There is a cartridge in the box, so not sure what the point of that is then

[shell stream]

zero point

it's a scam

[oak chasm]

Silksong soon trust

[magic narwhal]

Sure

[shell stream]

the cartridge. is. a. download. key.

I've said this three times now jesus

[obsidian owl]

the cartridge holds the license to play the game
you put it in and it downloads the game from the eshop

[shell stream]

the files are not on the cartridge

[oak chasm]

The cartridge is just a key

[obsidian owl]

it’s just the license

[sinful flare]

zawg why are they selling the CARTRIDGE then its a horrid waste of money and materials just print out a paper that has the license key at that point

[sage glade]

because people want to fill their shelves

[shell stream]

it's scummy marketing

[opaque sigil]

so people who like to have a shelf with games can have a shelf with games

[sage glade]

it's a novelty

[dusk pilot]

Not even print a paper just send a email

[sage glade]

only produced cause people want them

[oak chasm]

It genuinely just depends on if you want to have something physical, because genuinely, the cartridge is a key and nothing more

[shell stream]

cutting costs while offering something that looks like a phsyical edition

[sinful flare]

im not saying replace the box

isnt the cartridge just a really tiny sd card like thing anyway

[sinful flare]

yeah

[dusk pilot]

At least cd allows people to share games

And sell them

[obsidian owl]

i would argue many more people want to fill their shelves with the actual games

[oak chasm]

I'm still annoyed about the "you only own the license to play the game" thing

[shell stream]

oh this is because every other console uses disks

[sinful flare]

its pathetic not even like a full blown cartridge

[shell stream]

so they need the space filler for the boxes to be the same size on store shelves

[dusk pilot]

We had this same convo litrelly 45 min ago god

[shell stream]

it's dumb nonetheless

[sinful flare]

i dont have a problem with the box its cool and all but the cartridge is just a waste of materials at that point

[oak chasm]

Wait if we have cartridges for switch 1 from before the new policy are those keys or actual physical copies

[sinful flare]

ah whatever why am i expecting companies to be smart

[magic narwhal]

Switch 1 carts are just carts

[shell stream]

afaik they're all physical carts

[sinful flare]

actual physical copies iirc

[shell stream]

that's a switch 2 incoming thing

[oak chasm]

I keep seeing iirc and have no idea what it means

[shell stream]

"if I recall correctly"

[sinful flare]

if i remember/recall correctly

[magic narwhal]

I'm personally not buying Switch 2 editions ngl not because of the whole key thing but because for some games I don't like the price hike for higher specs

[sage glade]

in indian rat chases

[dusk pilot]

U should now remember it correctly

[sinful flare]

yeah nintendo is taking notes from cs2 economy

[shell stream]

it's not even gonna be higher specs

[oak chasm]

Says that and doesn't tell me what it means

[magic narwhal]

The like one big exception I will make is for Kirby because that is being treated more as a DLC upgrade pack for FL

[shell stream]

if anything I assume it'd perform worse

[dusk pilot]

2 people already told u

[shell stream]

but I doubt memory latency would be that significantly different

[oak chasm]

Where vro am I blind

Ah there

[magic narwhal]

Actually some Switch 2 versions do have decently higher specs

[dusk pilot]

Above that

[oak chasm]

Okay that makes sense

[shell stream]

wait you weren't trolling lmao

[oak chasm]

.

[oak chasm]

Nope 😭

[dusk pilot]

U need glasses my friend

[magic narwhal]

If it's a third party port then yeah it's probably not gonna top PC lol

[dusk pilot]

Take this from a four eyed friend

[shell stream]

I specifically mean the switch 2 digital vs physical version

[oak chasm]

I refuse my vision is still fineish

I'm just balancing different conversations so I miss a few messages

[sage glade]

reload discord

fake news

[magic narwhal]

Oh yeah there's no difference there

[shell stream]

if it's the same software it'll perform the same, minus maybe loading times

[magic narwhal]

I meant like Switch 1 game to Switch 2 game

[shell stream]

shouldn't be significant

[magic narwhal]

Like for ZA

[dusk pilot]

Na pokemon s/v is a diffrent game on switch 2

[shell stream]

I mean yeah the digital upgrades are pretty lame too

[magic narwhal]

I'm buying ZA as a Switch 1 title then maybe the upgrade pack later if it's worth it

[oak chasm]

Just drop silksong already fr

[dusk pilot]

Silk is out we are waiting for song

[magic narwhal]

But Kirby atm is the only one I will actually be going out of my way to upgrade for that DLC

[sinful flare]

little bit unrelated but i love how this is all going towards the anti preservation of video games

[magic narwhal]

That honestly is worth dropping like an extra $10 for imo

[shell stream]

I mean look

it's better that it's games instead of like

bionic hearts

that's definitely gonna happen some day

[magic narwhal]

This is way less infurtiating than TV if I'mma be real but yeah

[dusk pilot]

So many shows

I dont even remember their nanes

[sinful flare]

like one day we are going to lose cool live service games like warframe and other cool mmos

[shell stream]

the cyberpunk shit like biotechnica isn't really very far from reality

[magic narwhal]

TV rn is basically just all streaming, not even buy the episodes/movies you want, just stream

[dusk pilot]

Nioh 2 co op solved my depression

[shell stream]

I mean, there's always thes top killing games petition

do sign that if you're EU

[magic narwhal]

Then shit gets nuked to oblivion and the platform dies

[sinful flare]

i wish i could

[dusk pilot]

That succuceded

[sinful flare]

at least the damage to that petition is not that much rn

[shell stream]

it sort of succeeded

[dusk pilot]

It got 1 mil signs

[shell stream]

it can always get more signatures + they have to verify signatures

[sinful flare]

yeah a specific percentage of it could be invalid signatures

[shell stream]

more signatures will give it more importance to legislators

[dusk pilot]

True it also got presented in eu parlimant thingy

[shell stream]

so people should still sign it if they haven't

ah I missed that, that's good

[dusk pilot]

If they are from eu

[shell stream]

it'd be pretty big for the eu to adopt it

[sinful flare]

yeah i love how the places i can consistently watch my favorite shows are nowadays not even netflix just piracy sites

[magic narwhal]

This is why I have like a giant collection of specifically animated TV box sets

[shell stream]

yeah definitely a weak point of the streaming model

[magic narwhal]

Because the Zaslav nuke happened and now I have no trust

[shell stream]

and, of course, the streaming model wants to prevent downloads at all costs

[sinful flare]

also the only legal ways to play old games are little drops of hope from nintendo called virtual console and when that got killed we now have the much smaller collection nso

[shell stream]

I wouldn't say legal

[magic narwhal]

The biggest IP hurt by streaming imo was Infinity Train

[shell stream]

'nintendo approved' is more accurate

emulation is fully legal if you own a legal copy of the ROM from somewhere

[sinful flare]

yeah when the licenses of shows run out for streaming sites they just spontaneously disappear

[magic narwhal]

That show was fucking awesome, then got cancelled, all it's content was removed and only the first 2 seasons have disc copies

[shell stream]

getting a legal copy of a ROM nowadays may be tricky though

[sinful flare]

oh im not saying that isnt illegal yeah i still agree emulation is fully legal

idk if the dumping rom process is fully legal its a gray area but i dont really care im a pirate anyways

[shell stream]

dumping roms is generally not legal under copyright law afaik

[magic narwhal]

Emulation if there is no legal way to access the IP or if it's for the sake of non-profit modding is very valid

[shell stream]

but it's a situation where legality and morality aren't really the same thing

since like, for a lot of games it is the only option to play them, as you said

[sinful flare]

yeah

[magic narwhal]

I will take issue with emulation sites charging because then you are becoming a secondary gaming market and that's dangerous

[shell stream]

it'd be easy enough for nintendo to just offer to sell the .ISO files for a few bucks

that'd pretty much end piracy on their older games

[sinful flare]

im also against emulators that are being sold but i dont really find it a problem if they just have a donation option

though there are also just a lot of emulators being SOLD in google play store so thats a concern as well

[magic narwhal]

So long as it's not paywalling games, if it's just donations to support the devs that's different

[jade canopy]

Finally
Stop coping that your piracy is actual legal if you squint because it doesn’t actual hurt the companies or something

Just say "yeah I pirate games"

[sinful flare]

yeah but this means USING YOUR PC you KNOW nintendo NEVER caters for the pc market they wouldnt DARE

[magic narwhal]

Profiting off of someone else's IP through emulation's a bit scummy

[sinful flare]

hey i never coped piracy isnt legal

[shell stream]

indeed

but from an economics standpoint, the alternative is not supporting old games whatsoever and making 0 money instead of some money

[sage glade]

thank whoever came up with undo on emails 🙏

[sinful flare]

you can undo sending emails?

[sage glade]

yes

[sinful flare]

wow

[sage glade]

limited time

[sinful flare]

thats interesting i never thought thatd be possible

[shell stream]

yeah once it's [sent] sent there's no going back

[dusk pilot]

Iirc for the first minute

[sinful flare]

well it is possible but complicated

[sage glade]

kaan and alp showing up

[sinful flare]

true true

[dusk pilot]

Damn over 100

[sinful flare]

2 wholesome turkish people and the nefarious evil man in a hat behind them

[shell stream]

I was wondering why that image looks weird

it's been colorized, apparently

[young saffron]

60 dollars for a game?? thats like a month of food for my self

well in ingredients atleast

[fallen blaze]

My hungry ass could never

[neon adder]

That’s me
I’m the evil and nefarious man in the hat

[brittle garnet]

It is morally righteous though

[rocky flicker]

I understood that reference

[viscid wind]

avtomat is hosting an event after like half a year!

hooray

the gmod community is dying.

[sage glade]

repost if you like .... ?

[sinful flare]

same

[viscid wind]

building vehicles in gmod

[oblique musk]

Piracy isn’t morally righteous or morally wrong. It just is. Nobody who pirates does it for moral reasons.

[shell stream]

some people do but not the majority

[fallen blaze]

I'm a hero because I only pirate aaa games

[oblique musk]

Do they? Or do they just say they do to make themselves feel better? I can’t imagine any moral reason for pirating a game.

[shell stream]

I think of disco elysium

dev got screwed over by his publishers, he himself said the only right way to play the game is pirated