sk-discussion

[normal token]

What's the issue zip?

[magic hemlock]

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[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-nightreign-gnoster-nightreign-gif-16116987557485927548

[uncut citrus]

did you type that out

[nova ravine]

Best nightlord

[opaque sigil]

eh

[nova ravine]

Well

My personal favorite

[lone crown]

I love gnoster

[opaque sigil]

gnoster is good but like
are they better than other nightlords which are also mostly cool as shit

[brittle garnet]

bug...

[lone crown]

4 hours and 16 minutes remain

[lone crown]

Better than Maris thats for sure

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/final-level-shoot-return-gif-14074574

[opaque sigil]

I mean yeah

maris is the least good

[lone crown]

Maris isnt hard or annoying its just the pacing feels out of place

[opaque sigil]

they can be a little annoying if you picked a bad class or whatever

[lone crown]

What even is a bad class for maris

[cold maple]

i see you and raise you a Void Split

[opaque sigil]

raider

[oblique musk]

https://tenor.com/view/sentient-pest-wisdom-of-night-gnoster-nightreign-elden-ring-gif-10156240432429161932

[lone crown]

Raider has access to the best aoe ashes for the fight, as long as you find them anyway

[opaque sigil]

if you get lucky

[lone crown]

But moveset wise yeah

Retailiate could be reliably used for what, the water twister?

[opaque sigil]

but why

you could just dodge it and you can't get the retaliate counter

[lone crown]

Not the dash, the stationary one

No reason to use it for the dash

[opaque sigil]

it seems pointless for both tbh

[lone crown]

Tanking the big AoE instead of running away from it and getting hit anyway

And its a fixed position for the attack

It works

[opaque sigil]

what damage type does it even do

[lone crown]

I dont see how its pointless

[opaque sigil]

apparently it does magic damage which is uh not great for raider, dunno if that's the splashes though or just the charge or whatever

retaliate does mean it can't kill you at least

[lone crown]

The pillar would be funny to reach the nukes

[opaque sigil]

true

[sage glade]

is that gex 3

[opaque sigil]

but would it just set the nukes off early

[lone crown]

I should test that

[cold maple]

that’s heolstor the goat

or as i like to call him

Pontiff Ludwig of the Holy Moonlight Blade

[barren sequoia]

Damn probably another 7-12 hours for any of that acmi stuff

[violet path]

source?

[quaint bolt]

The souce

[glossy berry]

rouxls carried

[barren sequoia]

I mean its just 6 am there

[glossy berry]

this fight sucks ass to tas

i fear

[violet path]

spoilers

[barren sequoia]

Probably gonna be a decent amount of time till they actually drop any info about anything

[glossy berry]

mb mb

[violet path]

not for me i got through that part yesterday

[quaint bolt]

Spoilersssss
Ow wait its deltarune nevermind

[sinful flare]

TSUYOI

[violet path]

real shit

[glossy berry]

its any time within the next two to ten hours yeah

acmi opening hours are 9 to 5

[barren sequoia]

Ah okay yeah so makes sense

Probably noonish then I'd assumed

[glossy berry]

funniest way to do this fight btw

suck that stupid fucking lake up with a straw

[cold maple]

are we getting excited for potential crumbs again

[shell yacht]

Recently Hulu got their hands on a bunch of anime and I rewatched it, wish it would get another season

[quaint bolt]

No

[shell yacht]

I need to find and read the source material though

[cold maple]

it’s that time of the month is it

[glossy berry]

oh cool i got a dm from my partner i wonder what shes up t-

[quaint bolt]

Im just brainroted because of no silksong news

[glossy berry]

hop on white knuckle

[quaint bolt]

Is that doom with a grub in a terror game?

[barren sequoia]

Id doubt thered be much of anything at acmi today

[cold maple]

well might i recommend a certain game for you to play in the meantime

[barren sequoia]

But something at least

[zinc pier]

this lil guy is so tough

he's seen some shit

[quaint bolt]

Dont say fortnite
I already tried

[cold maple]

of course not

[barren sequoia]

I really think the size of any new stuff isn't too important

Since it's just kinda killing time till the actual game drops

[zinc pier]

how about fort . . . not?

[cold maple]

i recommend this game called Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

highly

[quaint bolt]

Im poor

And im in ps4

Only ps4

[nova ravine]

It's cool but Heolstor is piss easy

Kinda boring after you see it once

[opaque sigil]

they're all easy

[quaint bolt]

I wont get an xbox series s until the end of this week probably

[nova ravine]

Not equally

[cold maple]

did u do it solo

[nova ravine]

Yes

[sinful flare]

@rapid topaz white knuckel

[cold maple]

i haven’t played actually

[nova ravine]

Well I've done it solo and trio

[cold maple]

i just saw bosses

[nova ravine]

Ah

[cold maple]

they’re not getting 40 out of me

[quartz cave]

Hi gays

[cold maple]

i’ve already given elden 100+

[nova ravine]

Yea 40 is too high I agree

It should be 30 imo

Maaaybe 25

[opaque sigil]

it

[sinful flare]

hii gay

[opaque sigil]

it's not even the price of a full aaa game

complaining about the price on a 40 dollar aaa game is crazy

[nova ravine]

Yeah because it's not one

[barren sequoia]

40 for expedition 33 is certainly worth it

It's decently long and has a lot of content

Good content

I think I did pirate it thougj

[sinful flare]

why didnt they make expedition 33 cost 33 dollars

[barren sequoia]

But still

Wouldnt be mad about paying for it

[quartz cave]

Hi kaan

[cold maple]

i didn’t say it was too high i said they’re not getting it from me

[quartz cave]

[cold maple]

i’ve already given too much to elden

[sinful flare]

omg thats ME

[cold maple]

done with that franchise

[nova ravine]

I just think for what Nightreign is, $40 is too much

[barren sequoia]

Just pirate everything

[cold maple]

aren’t they adding more content

[barren sequoia]

Only buy stuff you know you like and would want to own on steam

[nova ravine]

Yea

[cold maple]

but doesn’t it cost money

[nova ravine]

DLC and harder versions of the nightlords

[sinful flare]

i wish i had nitro so i could post purple heart and enby heart .., but it is what it Is

[quartz cave]

Isnt that so yrue

[nova ravine]

Only the DLC

$15

[sinful flare]

is so me

[quartz cave]

[cold maple]

would u call night reign a AAA game

[sinful flare]

theres animated variant for enby heart too smh

[nova ravine]

Well yes it is

The studio is AAA, so Nightreign is

[cold maple]

by definition but would u say it’s on the level of a full on game compared to other AAA games

[nova ravine]

No

It's not

[opaque sigil]

it is a full on game yes

[glossy berry]

its very much worth the price tag its a whole ass game

i dont know what this persons saying

[quartz cave]

Oh mb wait

[cold maple]

i’m seeing conflicting answers

[nova ravine]

The game has very little content

For what it is

A rogue game with 320 total seeds

[quartz cave]

[nova ravine]

Is a problem

[quartz cave]

I wrote nb this ones called nonbinary so i couldnt find it

[oblique musk]

I’d call it about 80% of a full game. Which, for 66% of the price, is a steal.

[nova ravine]

It's definitely a very fun game though

But does not have longevity without big updates

[glossy berry]

i mean inherently the game is built around longevity through coop but yeah

[cold maple]

do u think adding dlc makes it worth 55+

[glossy berry]

dlc is gonna be nice

[quartz cave]

Hop on a good roguelike like gaydes

[nova ravine]

Yeah and it fails

[sinful flare]

discord hates you

[opaque sigil]

it's worth that now

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/zagreus-hades-thanzag-gif-11699709061626994537

[oblique musk]

No idea. DLC isn’t out yet.

[nova ravine]

Well we don't know the DLC

So...

[cold maple]

i didn’t know if they said the scope of it

[oblique musk]

But probably.

[nova ravine]

Nah they've said 0 about it

[opaque sigil]

at minimum multiple new nightlords and multiple new playable characters

[nova ravine]

From always hits with their DLCs, tho SotE was their weakest yet imo

[oblique musk]

You’re saying that when Ashes of Ariandel exists. Besides, SotE was good.

[cold maple]

agreed

[nova ravine]

SotE was good but the base game was better

Also yeah Ashes was garbage

I forgot about that one

[cold maple]

Friede was peak

but dlc itself was pretty bad hahaha

i group it in with Ringed city

and just call it DS3 DLC

[nova ravine]

I think SotE suffers from the same issues as Ashes

[cold maple]

i personally did not enjoy SOTE

[nova ravine]

It's just cool bosses but the areas completely lack substance

[cold maple]

besides Messmer and Midra

[nova ravine]

Midra is peam

[cold maple]

and that dlc is a large part of why i didn’t get nightreign

[coarse leaf]

woah...kindanews..

[oblique musk]

I feel like some areas are definitely underbaked (Charo’s Hidden Grave, I am looking at you), but at the same time there are places like Shadow Keep and Rauh.

[gloomy barn]

i mean

[sinful flare]

@cunning geode you use windows right

[barren sequoia]

Nothing really competes with the ringed city dlc

[cold maple]

very empty, lore was shit, bosses doubled down on what people didn’t like about base game bosses

[supple nacelle]

Agree

[barren sequoia]

The final boss alone with his arena and lore makes up for any shortcomings

[cold maple]

sote clearly went through rewrites

[supple nacelle]

Abyssal woods is ass except for midra

[nova ravine]

It was like 1 in 10 areas were good, the rest were just nothing

Cerulean Coast was the most dissapointed I'd felt in a while

[cold maple]

they were just freestyling the plot

[quartz cave]

https://c.tenor.com/NtzBoOrhPuUAAAAd/tenor.gif

[barren sequoia]

Sote didnt feel conclusive to elden ring

Which maybe was the point

[cold maple]

and whoever said put that damn hippo in that area

[barren sequoia]

They might want to keep it open for something in the future

[nova ravine]

Elden Ring 2...

Lol nah

[cold maple]

i’m not sure what they could do besides prequel

[cunning geode]

byup

[barren sequoia]

But like melina should've gotten some importance

[cold maple]

idk how people say it’s dense

[nova ravine]

Maybe for the movie

[cold maple]

it’s so empty

[quartz cave]

I use windows too! Why not ping me

I know everything about windows

[barren sequoia]

Shes a hard character to do though because of her inclusion in the story

[cold maple]

and the prize loot is cookbooks and stones u already have

[supple nacelle]

Like 4 areas in SOTE felt well developed

[quartz cave]

Theyre see through (usually), and are great for seeing outside a house

[sinful flare]

im going to write a program to shuffle songs in a particular experimental pattern how user friendly do you want me to make it in case you want to try it out too

[barren sequoia]

But shes almost fully 1 note

[quartz cave]

Or inside even

[barren sequoia]

Which sucks because shes your maiden

[nova ravine]

Also the finger ruins were just

What the fuck

[cold maple]

the final boss was the worst thing i’ve ever come across in a fromsoft game

[supple nacelle]

Wasted potential

[barren sequoia]

She is the only person to fully go alongside you on your adventure yet she just burns out the farther you get

[supple nacelle]

Served only for a quest for an optional boss

[barren sequoia]

Cant beat it

Gave up

[cunning geode]

as friendly as you want, i already have music listening software that shuffles

[barren sequoia]

Pissed me off

Only from boss havent beat

[nova ravine]

I liked Consort Radahn, only real issues I have are the light beams making it hard to see anything

[supple nacelle]

It’s not fun nor climactic really

Like wow

Radahn again

[barren sequoia]

Hes hard yeah but hes also just designed like shit

[quartz cave]

I think kaan hates me for accidentally sending the nonanimated nb heart 😔

[sinful flare]

unfortunately i cant really create or read from foobar2000 playlist files because theyre literally made just for foobar2000 to read and write from and theres no documentation or specification for the file format but what im going to do is just overwrite specific metadata related to track no for music listening software to sort

[supple nacelle]

I beat him after 2 hours maybe

[cold maple]

the plot/lore was awful, the boss itself was awful, the cutscene after was awful

[heady iron]

fromsoft please add isshin to nightreign I beg you

[sinful flare]

i dont like random shuffle so i thought of writing a unique one

[oblique musk]

You say that in a world with Bed of Chaos

[nova ravine]

Isshin is kino

[supple nacelle]

Shadow keep was fun, Bayle was fun, midra was fun, that’s about all the fun I had in the dlc

[cold maple]

i’d rather do bed of chaos than promised shitdahn

[oblique musk]

Isshin would suck ass for anyone not named Executor.

[nova ravine]

Bed of Chaos isn't that bad, it's just the runback is terrible

[oblique musk]

Radahn is great post-nerf.

[barren sequoia]

I feel like more people care about ranni more than here

[oblique musk]

He did suck ass on launch tho

[cold maple]

that’s impossible unless miquella’s hair is transparent

[nova ravine]

Unironically though I think Bed of Chaos should be ported to Nightreign, it actually works in that setting

[woeful matrix]

hey guys

[coarse leaf]

Any news yet?

[cold maple]

shitdahn was so shit on all counts everyone thought it was fake

[full rune]

?tag sources

[white sail]

Official and reliable sources of information about Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight Silksong

• Leth's twitter / Team Cherry's twitter
• This server ( we keep up to date with the actual news in #hk-announcements , with micro-updates sometimes pinned in #sk-discussion )
• r/hollowknight pinned messages by the mod team
• Team Cherry's official YouTube channel and Website

Any and all information outside of this cannot be verified as truth, consume outside information at your own risk

[barren sequoia]

Also nothing about godwyn

[cold maple]

i was there before we brainwashed ourselves that shitdahn was good

[barren sequoia]

We had 1 thing about the dude and its an armor set

What the fuck man

[coarse leaf]

I meant like, about acmi

[full rune]

yes, see the tag

[barren sequoia]

Hes like the 2nd most interesting character

[cold maple]

godwyn would have been a much better route

the dlc for sure went through rushed rewrites

[cyan forum]

no ace combat 8 news

[oblique musk]

I feel like I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Godwyn’s story reaches a satisfying conclusion in the base game, if you do Fia’s quest.

[cold maple]

it wasn’t even supposed to be 1 dlc

[oblique musk]

And you know this how?

[cyan forum]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-insane-crazy-madness-gif-926520943501877665

[cold maple]

Miyazaki said it himself

it was 2

then they combined it into 1

[oblique musk]

And where did he say this?

[cold maple]

2024

he said 2 would be too small

[barren sequoia]

Yeah I dont think he needs to show up again himself but the whole blight thing he has

[cold maple]

for the traversal

[barren sequoia]

I think that wouldve been awesome as a major focus

[cold maple]

they also updated the requirements for dlc

and st trina went through rewrites

it’s implied GEQ was supposed to be in it from game files

[sharp agate]

My neighbor ordered Yugioh cards through Uber and had it delivered to me. I should have done the right thing and opened em

[cold maple]

they definitely had bigger scope but condensed it into one

[barren sequoia]

The deathblight is awesome because it dooms the entire land betweens

[tawny gorge]

WHERE IS SILKSONG

WHERE IS HEE

SILKSOOONG

[barren sequoia]

The land is literally between two plagues that are going to overtake the land

[supple nacelle]

GEQ?

[tawny gorge]

I NEED YOU SILKSOOOOONG

[barren sequoia]

The scarlet rot and deathblight

[cold maple]

gloam eyed queen

[supple nacelle]

Right

[cold maple]

godwyn would have been a 1000x better route

[supple nacelle]

True

[subtle flint]

just finished act 1 of exp33

yippie

[supple nacelle]

Is the entire story of the dlc just wow Miquella evil

[quartz cave]

Nobody needs a mid game to survive

[cold maple]

even worse it’s wow miquella had a crush on his brother

[oblique musk]

No, it’s about split between that and Marika backstory.

[supple nacelle]

He wasn’t the mohglester

[cold maple]

MOHG BEAT THE ALLEGATIONS

[quaint bolt]

Check acmi

[barren sequoia]

That mohg shit was cringe as hell

I liked the moghlester

Let him continue to be the moghlester

Why take it away from him

[pallid plinth]

frfr

[supple nacelle]

He was miquellested all along

[normal beacon]

is silksong out

[supple nacelle]

Yes

[cold maple]

godwyn eclipse dlc would have been a 10000x better than shitdahn again

radahn doesn’t even make sense

[barren sequoia]

I do think miquella being a piece of shit is fine honestly

[cold maple]

worst lore revelation in fromsoft

[barren sequoia]

All of the demigods are just evil people

[supple nacelle]

I mean it was expected from the get go i think

[barren sequoia]

Godwyn is probably the only good one

[supple nacelle]

And his ass got killed

[barren sequoia]

And he was merced

[quaint bolt]

Nobody fell for my bait
I guess i wasnt borned for silkbaiting

[umbral ether]

he is currently a giant face on the wall making skeletons right

[woeful matrix]

lots of words here

[barren sequoia]

Giant fishman yeah

Well hes mot

Godwyn is gone

[cold maple]

his body is a rotting mermaid thing

[barren sequoia]

His soul was erased

His body still lives

[supple nacelle]

Technically he has 2 bodies

[cold maple]

but that’s not godwyn

[cold maple]

his soul wasn’t erased

[supple nacelle]

But like one isn’t i think?

Theres the stormveil one and the depths one

[barren sequoia]

It was somethinged

[cold maple]

it’s wherever souls go after dying

the only thing that erases souls is frenzied flame

there was an afterlife pre marika

[barren sequoia]

Another thing

[supple nacelle]

Which is why torrent died in the Frenzy flame ending

[oblique musk]

“The Prince of Death perished in soul alone”

[barren sequoia]

The frenzied flame fuckinf sucked in the dlc

[supple nacelle]

And is scared of the abyssal woods

[cold maple]

perish means dying yes

[barren sequoia]

Midra was awesome okay

Pretty cool guy

[cold maple]

as in no longer on this plane

[barren sequoia]

But like we get nothing

[cold maple]

it’s in the afterlife

[barren sequoia]

Nothing else for the big fucking bad of elden ring

[supple nacelle]

There were so many options for the dlc and they chose fucking miquella

[cold maple]

right

destined death doesn’t erase anything

it’s just Death

[barren sequoia]

Miquella was probably always gonna be the dlc character

[umbral ether]

what about those winter latern knock offs are those explained

[barren sequoia]

But his inclusion in its story couldve been better

[cold maple]

Frenzied flame erases everything

that’s specifically why it was so feared

[supple nacelle]

Isn’t it like old people geeked off of frenzy

[cold maple]

when destined death was still in the elden ring

in hornsent era

[oblique musk]

Pretty much, yeah.

[barren sequoia]

One thing I did really like about the dlc

Was the hornsent and marika

That was cool stuff

[cold maple]

not really

[supple nacelle]

True

[cold maple]

we don’t even know what the betrayal and seduction was

[umbral ether]

did anyone else do the finger quest in the dlc

[cold maple]

i did

that was probably the best part

was that revelation

[umbral ether]

the spell you get for completely it seems kinda bad

[brittle garnet]

Midra was the best.moment in the dlc tbh

[oblique musk]

Yeah, that’s most spells in recent FromSoft games.

[cold maple]

Midra and Messmer were cinema

[supple nacelle]

Didnt Ymir give you a map and say don’t go there

[umbral ether]

i really wanted the black hole metyr uses as a spell

[supple nacelle]

Like

The fuck

[cold maple]

Miquella should have been DLC but don’t make it revolve around shitdahn

[oblique musk]

He gave you a map and said do go there I think

[digital mural]

Silksong!

[supple nacelle]

No for the final ruin

[cold maple]

godwyn eclipse was right there if ur going the bring somebody back route

[supple nacelle]

Cause he jumps you

[brittle garnet]

I think the godwyn eclipse thing might have been a fluke

[cold maple]

it’s like they wanted to do godwyn and then changed their mind and did shitdahn

[pallid plinth]

is silksong released

[umbral ether]

why do you keep calling radahn shitdann

[supple nacelle]

Was there even any deathblight in the dlc besides the basilisk statues

[cold maple]

because radahn is shit

[umbral ether]

why

[cold maple]

promised shitdahn

not my scarlet rot infested goat festival radahn

[heady iron]

bro has no argument

[supple nacelle]

That was my first great rune

[umbral ether]

miquella whole thing aside from being a child is charming people right

[cold maple]

just scroll up and read

[heady iron]

no

[cold maple]

i see those eyes work

[supple nacelle]

Charming people through morally questionable means

[frozen pike]

We were promised news today 200 years ago

[oblique musk]

bro has no argument

[supple nacelle]

Also basically being a husk after discarding everything

[cold maple]

disingenuous fanboy

[barren sequoia]

I really do think they could pull some shit to continue the elden ring story

Okay okay so wait

Is ranni in nightrein at all

[oblique musk]

nostalgiabaited hater

[cold maple]

she’s not

[barren sequoia]

Is there any fucking connection to her story

[cold maple]

just yapping

[cold maple]

it’s an alternate verse

[heady iron]

ad hominem

[sharp agate]

Phenomenal game

[cold maple]

like an alternate flow of events around and post shattering

[sharp agate]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-hominid-gif-9376548839619024478

[cold maple]

radahn was so hilariously bad I LITERALLY saw everyone believe it was a fake mod

i was there with everyone else

[lone crown]

Divine beast dancing lion refight

[cold maple]

ahhh ptsd

[heady iron]

argumentum ad populum

[lone crown]

Yeah i saw the fight leaked like a handful of days before the DLC and the footage used was like alpha version and it looked so horrendous

I was so mad that the final boss wasnt at least a unique character

[sharp agate]

Do yall likea Bloodborne??

[lone crown]

I dont care if its not a lore character we wanted as long as its new at least

[umbral ether]

oh you are back giant enemy fool

[cold maple]

the fight looked ass, the plot and lore contradictions was sucha reach that everybody thought it was fake

[lone crown]

Who’s that

[cold maple]

it was so funny

[cold maple]

love bloodborne

[lone crown]

People kept saying incestscourge predahn 😭

[umbral ether]

that is wild

[cold maple]

hahahahahaha

[lone crown]

What a curveball though

[cold maple]

copy and paste pontiff combo

[heady iron]

speaking of how about that diddy ruling

[lone crown]

Literally zero radahn and miquella connections

[umbral ether]

i never fought consort radahn how annoying was he

[cold maple]

a random blood attack to show this is indeed mohg’s bodyd

[subtle flint]

expedition 33

[umbral ether]

what about it

[cold maple]

miquella’s hair blocks half the shit

[subtle flint]

just finished act 1

[cold maple]

light beams burn my retinas

[umbral ether]

yeah....

[cold maple]

oh but promised radahn is peak and i’m just a hater i’m sure

was anyone else hype to see what was at the top of those stairs

oh guess what u can’t go up there

[lone crown]

Biggest problem i had with the fight was cross slash which got fixed and also the uneven-ness of the floor which can displace the light pillars after the attacks

[oblique musk]

He was annoying on release. Post patch, he’s fine, and most complaints are a skissue.

[cold maple]

ur gonna get this cutscene of miquella begging radahn to be his consort

[subtle flint]

|| im still fucking speechless, why pookie...|| exp33

[cold maple]

after the other 10 times they throw in ur face miquella wants him to be his consort

[lone crown]

Oh absolutely, especially after realizing its the place marika was at for the story trailer

[heady iron]

simpquella

[cold maple]

oh but i’m a hater

righttttt

incest bros was peak

for shaw

[heady iron]

shaw?

https://tenor.com/view/open-season-shaw-deer-run-over-meme-gif-12251156658227451666

[umbral ether]

at least it explains why most of his skill tree was locked

[lone crown]

I dont even think radahn consented

[cold maple]

who knows

[opaque sigil]

Yup

[cold maple]

because he doesn’t speak

even after getting a body back

[lone crown]

Cause why fight malenia if radahn was sided with them

[brittle garnet]

Yeah no dlc ending was garbage

[cold maple]

who knows

[opaque sigil]

||and his weapons didn’t have skills||

[cold maple]

that’s why it’s shit

[brittle garnet]

Radahn being the final boss was garbage

[trim estuary]

the depths of your foolishness...

[lone crown]

Absolutely

[trim estuary]

i didnt even see the ending cutscene

[cold maple]

and apparently miquella was on the battlefield helping frey

[trim estuary]

or whatever that was

[subtle flint]

||before going into the lamp fight i literally just was chatting with my friend whos also playing the game why its locked, i was guessing he was gonna like upgrade his arm or smth||

[lone crown]

What were they thinking

[cold maple]

but left his sister alone cuz why not

[heady iron]

elden ring ambiguous lore: baaaad
hollow knight ambiguous lore: good!

[brittle garnet]

There wasnt really an ending cutscene

[umbral ether]

also ||renior's|| cane hitting the ground when i was finishing act 1 filled me with such dread

[cold maple]

and she had to get carried back by her knight

even though miquella was right there

apparently

[lone crown]

Literally miquella and a chair

Thats all

[cold maple]

cuz why not

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it’s an insanely well done cutscene

[brittle garnet]

Where did you get that?

[lone crown]

The stuff he says is already established from NPC questlines

[cold maple]

in that battle, miquella helps freyja

[trim estuary]

Doesn't he yap about wanting to marry his brother again

[cold maple]

or whatever her name is

he’s literally there

[lone crown]

Yeah thats literally all

[trim estuary]

Enir Ilim gank fight >>>

[brittle garnet]

Idk i think you might be misremembering

[subtle flint]

||i miss gustave...||

[umbral ether]

i also thought ||the fight against him in act 2 would be anthour scripted loss||(act 2 spoilers) until maelle did like 5 percent of his health bar in one attack

[brittle garnet]

Miquella was kidnapped while Malenia was out to kill radahn

[cold maple]

no she was there

miquella saved her

she got hit by malenia’s scarlet rot

[brittle garnet]

Might be referring to something else

[lone crown]

Hardest boss leaves you with the worst sourest taste in your mouth, even remembrance weapon scaling is shit and there should’ve been ONE weapon with a stance ash of war instead of splitting it into two weapons where one is obviously superior

[oblique musk]

Freyja says she caught the rot in the swamp, which implies the battle had already finished at this point.

[cold maple]

when miquella is supposed to be kidnapped

so how does that make sense

u just proved my point

thanks

[heady iron]

please redirect all elden ring lore talk to #er-lore

[subtle flint]

||atleast im glad that the level and lumina level passed over to the new guy||

[oblique musk]

We don’t know Miq was kidnapped during the battle, we just sort of assumed it. There’s no solid timeframe either way.

[umbral ether]

what is your current team set up

[lone crown]

I found the st trina and bewitching aspect of Miquella far cooler anyway than the whole stupid trek to radahn

[subtle flint]

was just running maelle gustav lune

[opaque sigil]

||mechanically overcharge also was falling off HARD||

[umbral ether]

did you use maelle to beat the gestal tournment

[subtle flint]

nope, i heard that from my friend

that she gets like her best weapon

i used gustave

[umbral ether]

it puts you into virtousu stance on turn 1

[cold maple]

so either miquella got kidnapped before and magically appeared, or he didn’t and appeared to help freyja but not his sister who was in a coma

before going back home and getting kidnapped

[subtle flint]

i mean, that dosent seem all too good

[opaque sigil]

It’s not the best weapon by a mile anymore now that they fixed it

[subtle flint]

it seems good

[cold maple]

hahahahaha

elden dlc lore is shit u can’t logically justify any of it

[subtle flint]

but feel like there could be better

[brittle garnet]

Well in any case it doesnt prove Miquella was present for the battle

[opaque sigil]

It used to be bugged to make it absurdly strong

[umbral ether]

what does the weapon gustave get for winning the tournment do with ||verso||

[opaque sigil]

Don’t remember

[oblique musk]

Once again, how do we know he didn’t help Malenia? We know he undertook several efforts to combat the rot, they could have just not worked.

[lone crown]

Dlc lore aside from the main plot is cool

Which is funny

[cold maple]

because we know her knight had to carry her back the whole way

it was a whole thing

[subtle flint]

dont know

[umbral ether]

oh it's sakaram

[lone crown]

Finlay the goat

[brittle garnet]

I mean to be fair the knight was probably stronger than miquella physically

[umbral ether]

you can get that in the village anyways

[subtle flint]

oh skull

[cold maple]

insane

justification

[brittle garnet]

Wdym insane?

[umbral ether]

and it does this

[subtle flint]

ye im reading it rn

[opaque sigil]

That’s not that good

[brittle garnet]

Miquella the one known to be cursed to live in the body of a child

[subtle flint]

||but BRUH. MY POOKIE GUSTAVE 😭 ||

[brittle garnet]

And "but hes a demigod" doesnt automatically make you superpowered

[umbral ether]

i have been using Gaulteram beacuse i keep getting hit as ||verso||

[opaque sigil]

My skill issue weapon ||for verso was gaulteram||

[cold maple]

ur really saying this

[oblique musk]

Alright, let me lay out one possible timeline

• Battle of Aeonia, Miq is at home
• Malenia blooms against Radahn
• Finlay caries Malenia home
• Miq tries and fails to cure/abate the rot
• Miq returns to the swamp
• Miq finds Freyja
• Miq heals Freyja
• Miq comes home
• Miq goes into cocoon
• It’s Moghing time

[brittle garnet]

Yeah obviously

[subtle flint]

think i was using the cruleram

[cold maple]

malenia did not come home to miq being present

[subtle flint]

wait

bo

maybe not

[cold maple]

it happened while malenia was gone

[subtle flint]

lanceram

liked the scalings on it

[brittle garnet]

Its still not quite certain if Miquella's kidnapping was genuine or staged by him

[opaque sigil]

Frankly until act 2 it doesn’t actually matter so it makes sense you wouldn’t be paying that much attention

[subtle flint]

i mean ive been paying attention, just forgor what it looked like

[cold maple]

miquella the empyrean who can charm anyone out of danger decided not to assist finlay in getting his comatose sister back (after blooming which is what he doesn’t like) because she could be physically stronger?

[subtle flint]

skull

[cold maple]

rightttttt

[brittle garnet]

And if Ansbach had the opportunity to deduce that Mohg was charmed, and had the opportunity to try attacking Miquella, it must mean that there was a period of time where miquella was already with Mohg but was allowed to move about and act

[brittle garnet]

I mean assist in what way? Whatever the case i dont think he was there

[cold maple]

which means he didn’t help his sister but decided to help some random knight

dude it’s full of lore contradictions

it’s just something we accept

it got pasted in later and doesn’t really make sense

[brittle garnet]

Idk i feel like thats nitpicking stuff that doesnt matter

Like "how did this fit through the door" kinda nitpicking

[cold maple]

it’s not nitpicking

it’s a big thing people talk about

[brittle garnet]

It definitely is

[cold maple]

no it isn’t

we’re talking about miquella as a character

[opaque sigil]

Collective nitpicking remains nitpicking

[cold maple]

that’s why people didn’t like it

it’s insane character assassination that we’re supposed to accept that contradicts everything about base game

ur supposed to just go with it

not good storytelling

[brittle garnet]

Character assassination of who

Miquella?

[cold maple]

Miquella

Miquella, Malenia, Radahn

[opaque sigil]

Bruh

[brittle garnet]

Even in base game there was enough to suggest he mind controlled people

[cold maple]

none of them make sense in dlc

[opaque sigil]

Character assassination of miquella is an insane thing to say

[barren sequoia]

I think mohg was the worst offender for character assassination

Just removed everything interesting about him

He was the mohglester

[cold maple]

have u done dlc, i know u just started elden relatively speaking

[barren sequoia]

That was his shtick

[lone crown]

Afaik there were no contradictions it was just completely and utterly unexpected

[cold maple]

MOHG BEAT THE ALLEGATIONS

[opaque sigil]

I’ve done dlc

[barren sequoia]

He shouldn't have

His ass should've been found guilty on all charges

[lone crown]

I literally had a theory that Mohg was enchanted by Miquella and I was right

[brittle garnet]

I think overall, Miquella's curse of nascence doesnt only apply to hos body, but more broadly - every project and goal he had in the base game was left unfinished. The needle, the eclipse project, the haligtree

[cold maple]

that was a popular theory yes

[lone crown]

His cutscene and dialogue was too obsessive and repetitive

[barren sequoia]

The one thing I really dislike about elden ring is all the goda

Just too many

[lone crown]

His whole demeanor

[cold maple]

that’s just headcanon

[barren sequoia]

And it leaves far too much open because they aint closing on these bitches yknow

[brittle garnet]

I mean it fits

[barren sequoia]

Mohg saw a blood god

[cold maple]

headcanon

[barren sequoia]

Like only mention of it

[brittle garnet]

You're headcanon

[barren sequoia]

And we're just supposed to roll with it

[cold maple]

you’re headcanon

headcanon

[subtle flint]

im still completleu speechless

[brittle garnet]

Im simply making connections between facts

[barren sequoia]

Like ok theres now a blood god who wants pain and blood or some shit

[brittle garnet]

Narratively i am objectively correct

[cold maple]

headcanon

[barren sequoia]

Could we not get more

[cold maple]

not

[lone crown]

Its funny cause there’s like only four, five, entities straight up claimed to be outer gods although you can easily argue for more like Greater Will

[cold maple]

not how objectively works

[brittle garnet]

You dont understand

[cold maple]

i understand well

but nowhere is that headcanon stated

[barren sequoia]

Yeah theres not that many but enough to diminish them I think

[opaque sigil]

Is greater will not one of the outer gods

[barren sequoia]

Because they dont feel like characters or mysteries

[brittle garnet]

Miquella's character in the base game was all about how nothing he did ever came to fruition

[lone crown]

Never in the game is it stated to be one but it absolutely has to be one

[barren sequoia]

They feel like just ways to make a character seem cooler

[brittle garnet]

Thats literally fact

[cold maple]

was it

[cold maple]

it’s implied Greater Will might be THE Creator

[compact night]

I have a question are long sentences allowed here?

[rapid topaz]

such a gem

[compact night]

Just wanna make sure

[lone crown]

Exhibit A: Failing to cure Malenia’s rot
Exhibit B: Failing to revive Godwyn
Theres more but what else

[barren sequoia]

The dlc did give conclusions on somethings which is nice

[lone crown]

Oh yeah Exhibit C: The Haligtree

[barren sequoia]

Explaining the curse of the omens and shit

That was cool

They were an odd part of the story

[cold maple]

Malenia’s rot was successfully managed

[quartz cave]

Wdym "long sentences"

As long as it doesnt go agaisnt the rules, like spam or something

[brittle garnet]

Clearly it wasnt

[cold maple]

Godwyn’s eclipse didn’t work not because of his miquella fault

[coarse leaf]

im lowk a miquella apologist

[cold maple]

and the haligtree was fine

[cold maple]

it was

[brittle garnet]

I mean yeah thats about all miquella did in the basegame

[cold maple]

it’s a whole ass thing u can use to undo frenzied flame

[opaque sigil]

Yes Malenia ‘goddess of rot’ definitely had her rot managed

[lone crown]

Miquella was trying to rid of the rot not suppress it

[brittle garnet]

Bro the item description literally says the needle was never finished and is nonfunctional outside of placidusax's time warp storm

[opaque sigil]

The needle is explicitly unfinished which is why you have to go to a weird place

[compact night]

Oh it’s not spam

[coarse leaf]

fuck that mf ansbach

[lone crown]

The Tarnished is the one who solves the problem, not Miquella. The needle is unfinished and isnt used by Malenia to remove the Outer God of Rot’s meddling

It only works in Placidusax’s arena cause the answer was time

[compact night]

I have some predictions for silksong everyone hear me out

1: there’s gonna be More emphasis on agility and acrobatics. Hornet’s movement set is faster and more dynamic (already shown in trailers), so we’ll likely get more vertical parkour and combat that demands quick reactions.

2: there’s gonna be Connections to Hallownest’s lore, but no direct overlap. Pharloom may reference the Pale King or Radiance as distant myths, but remain largely its own mystery.

3: Hornet gets an optional mask or cloak upgrade that references the Knight’s look.

4: Multiple endings Team Cherry loves ambiguous or tragic endings.

[barren sequoia]

We cure that one marika clone or daughter shit with a lesser needle dont we?

[brittle garnet]

No

It still only suppresses it

[cold maple]

ur right for a cure

that’s why i said manage

[brittle garnet]

Yeah but miquella wanted to cure it and he failed

[cold maple]

this concept that miquella can never do anything because of some curse is headcanon

[opaque sigil]

… ok but you’re misrepresenting a bit

It’s not ‘miquella can’t take a step’

[cold maple]

what am i misrepresenting, i’m saying that is misrepresenting

[brittle garnet]

Im simply saying he is cursed with nascence and all the stuff he wanted to do doesnt come to fruition

[cold maple]

the latter is headcanon

[brittle garnet]

Like narratively that is a parallel

[brittle garnet]

It literally is not

[cold maple]

that is the definition of headcanon

[brittle garnet]

He fails to meet the goal of the major things he attempts

I didnt make that up

[barren sequoia]

I thought in the end of the dlc he did reach it but failed to actually utilize it

[cold maple]

we know 3 things he tried to do, the fact he created something to manage Malenia rot at all is insanely impressive

the Eclipse didn’t work but not because of anything pertaining to him

[brittle garnet]

It doesnt matter why its unfinished

[cold maple]

that’s initially why people thought radahn was an entry dlc requirement, because he’s holding the celestial bodies in place

[brittle garnet]

The fact that it is just proves the narrative ties

[lone crown]

Almost everyone’s a failure in Elden Ring anyway

[cold maple]

dude that’s headcanon

[coarse leaf]

a failure to actualise his potential is definitely a theme of his character

[cold maple]

ur taking actions in and of themselves

[brittle garnet]

Do you know what i mean by narrative

[cold maple]

and then imposing ur belief

because of narrative purposes

that’s literally headcanon

which is fine, but it’s headcanon

[opaque sigil]

Shocking in a fromsoft title

[brittle garnet]

No headcanon is when you believe something is true in the events but you made that up

[barren sequoia]

All the empyrians do seem cursed in a way that does supress them from every actually reaching marikas status

[cold maple]

his curse has never been stated to mean he can’t complete anything

[brittle garnet]

Narrative analysis is not headcanon

[heady iron]

This is why sekiro has superior plot

[brittle garnet]

Im nit talking about literally this is true in the world

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/nightreign-nightreign-libra-wylder-nightreign-boss-elden-ring-gif-2481457296043068701

[cold maple]

that’s why i don’t understand this concept of miquella when no one in a fromsoft game ever does what they want

[lone crown]

I forgot about this cursed role

[cold maple]

brother or sister or whatever

[barren sequoia]

I dont think ranni was physically cursed but was fully empeded and stuck in her place by her family and the golden order

[cold maple]

if the game doesn’t say it

and u think it’s true because it makes sense to u

that is ur opinionated headcanon

which is completely fine to have

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/nightreign-nightreign-libra-wylder-nightreign-boss-elden-ring-gif-2481457296043068701

[lone crown]

Thanks

[coarse leaf]

because their entire character is based around his massive potential and him constantly failing to actualise that is a mainstay of the narrative surrounding him

[brittle garnet]

Thats just not really how interpreting fromsoft lore works but whatever

Reducing the narrative to events that happened is so lame

[cold maple]

u literally just said INTERPRETING

are u guys trolling

[coarse leaf]

his likely association with the nascent butterfly and the metaphorical implications of him never being able to grow up

like come on

its fairly clear

[brittle garnet]

Interpretation is inherent to art

[coarse leaf]

its not outright stated because this isnt a children book

[pallid plinth]

yap

yappers

[barren sequoia]

Isnt marika also cursed to never reach what dhe truly wants

[cold maple]

which is headcanon

[coarse leaf]

brother

[brittle garnet]

No man interpretation is not the same thing as headcanon

[cold maple]

what?

[opaque sigil]

Not really no

[cold maple]

interpretation is headcanon

if it’s not stated it’s headcanon

[opaque sigil]

That’s so wrong

[cold maple]

it’s fine to believe whatever

[cold maple]

u tell me u did something

[subtle flint]

tammo how the hell am i supposed to cope

[cold maple]

i tell other people u did that something for a certain reason

but YOU didn’t tell me the reason

that is literally my headcanon on why you did what you did

[opaque sigil]

When one falls we continue

[coarse leaf]

do you not think not being able to see his plans to fruition is a major intended theme of miquellas character

[subtle flint]

For those who come after.

[cold maple]

it’s not stated that is what he was cursed with

twin duality is a theme of the game too

[coarse leaf]

his curse of not being able to age seems like a direct parallel no?

[cold maple]

he and malenia have dual afflictions

[brittle garnet]

Do you think that anything stated indirectly is not canon

[opaque sigil]

Have you gotten through the next area btw

That hits

[subtle flint]

i quit at the end of act 1

[opaque sigil]

Ah

Well you’ll see

[subtle flint]

thinking about syncing up with a friend

[cold maple]

in cut content there is literally a weapon representing their dual afflictions

[lone crown]

Get out of my head…
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

[cold maple]

abundance and decay

[subtle flint]

so were at the same place in the game

[brittle garnet]

Cut content is not canon

[barren sequoia]

Marika and whats his name only ever havr twins

[cold maple]

ur being obtuse

[lone crown]

Euporia is a better name for the cut weapon AND its awesome

[brittle garnet]

Now youre applying headcanon

By your definition

[cold maple]

no i’m saying ur imposing what u feel make sense narratively

anybody can do that in different ways

just like how i can say he has that affliction to show the twin duality

[opaque sigil]

That’s fair

[cold maple]

and u just proved my point by saying it’s headcanon

[barren sequoia]

Still odd how godwyn seems to be the exception of marika birthing twins

[subtle flint]

||cant wait until hes at the end of act 1 so we can grieve together||

[cold maple]

rip golden boy

[barren sequoia]

Or at least dual related children

[opaque sigil]

Real

[brittle garnet]

That is interesting

[barren sequoia]

I dont know if ||messmer and melina are supposed to be twins or older brother and younger sister||

[opaque sigil]

There are a few parts of e33 that just destroyed me

[barren sequoia]

But they are connected

[cold maple]

i think she’s younger but i don’t remember

if they said it

i can’t remember if it said younger sister

[barren sequoia]

I think its just stated that she suffered from him

[subtle flint]

this has left me completley speechless

[barren sequoia]

Due to his curse

[cold maple]

it said they were both cursed

[subtle flint]

||thought they would kill of maybe lune or maelle but not gustave||

[barren sequoia]

The kindling that burned inside Messmer the Impaler.
A dark thing, eaten away at by a wicked serpent.

Burns the sealing tree said to be found at the old Rauh ruins.

Messmer, much like his younger sister,

Younger

Huh weird

[cold maple]

oh so it did say younger

[subtle flint]

little do i know

[lone crown]

I had always assumed messmer was the firstborn

[barren sequoia]

Weird to have like 2 sets of cursed twins

[cold maple]

cursed womb

[barren sequoia]

I thought godwyn was supposed to be the outlier

[lone crown]

Messmer and (probably) melina, morgott and mohg, malenia and miquella are the “duos” i can think of

[barren sequoia]

Apparently the twins are

[cold maple]

i think he was

[atomic sparrow]

wtf

who are you ?!

[barren sequoia]

I think godwyn and ranni are supposed to go together as well

[cold maple]

i wouldn’t really call messer and melina duos since they’re not twins

[coarse leaf]

messmer is the firstborn isnt he

didnt radahn look up to him

[lone crown]

True, it specifies younger

[barren sequoia]

That connection is weaker but it seems like every one does have a pair for the story

[cold maple]

Messmer is the oldest

[barren sequoia]

But not directly in the lore

[cold maple]

then probably Godwyn

or could be Melina

[barren sequoia]

Yeah we dont know if godwyn and messmer ever met

[lone crown]

Both ARE the cursemark bearers of Night of the Black Knives

[barren sequoia]

Yeah which I think is the main link

But at the same time it is the weakest between them all because it's a singular event

[cold maple]

hmmmm

[barren sequoia]

While mohg and morgott, miquella and malenia are inherently linked

[cold maple]

they don’t explain enough

[barren sequoia]

Oh the timeline is fucked

[cold maple]

i think messmer was born pre split

[barren sequoia]

We knoe nothing about it

At some point messmer was banished and thats it

[cold maple]

the timeline is ass

[coarse leaf]

werent all of them born pre fracturing

[barren sequoia]

Or like tricked into going there

[cold maple]

split of shadow realm

[coarse leaf]

oh right my fault

[barren sequoia]

I dont know if its ever said if messmer was even born in the shadow of the erdtree location

[cold maple]

there wasn’t really a sote location

it was just the lands

before she split

it’s hard to say because no one talks about messmer

[timid ridge]

would you guys want Fromsoftware's next singleplayer focused game to be open world or do you want them to go back to linear level design

[lone crown]

Why the fuck is there that hidden snake shedding in bonny village

[cold maple]

somewhere in between

[barren sequoia]

Give me another dlc john elden ring

And ill give you 40 bucks

And no more

[lone crown]

Continue making open world until they improve the structure further imo

DLC was a vast upgrade to base game in level design imo

[opaque sigil]

if they aren't going to fix their goddamn movement for open world linear

[cold maple]

level design was nice but it was empty

but the level design itself was great

i liked it

[coarse leaf]

the DLC map as a whole made me want to blow my head off

but i may just be stupid

[cold maple]

but miyazaki said elden is the biggest in scope they’re gonna do

[lone crown]

I blame the DLC being rushed, most obvious evidence of rushed is an entire cutscene in the reveal trailer getting axed and literally the entire SOTE ending

[cold maple]

so i’m not expecting open world

i think they’re fatigued with that

[lone crown]

Oh and both Rellana and Romina have unused dialogue

[barren sequoia]

The weird big snake guy was by far the oddest demigod

Just odd

[timid ridge]

personally i really want them to make another game world like Dark souls 1 with fast travel disabled for half of it and the world was interconnected.

Bloodborne was close, but dark souls 1 is special

[cold maple]

Romina was an egregious sign of rushed dlc

pretty boss though

and her area was beautiful

besides that damn blight divine beast

[lone crown]

No cutscenes or VA is criminal

[cold maple]

rykard

togethaaaaaa

[lone crown]

I wish there was more shit in Cerulean Coast/Charo’s

[cold maple]

i wish st trina, miquella’s other damn half

got more than some lines

[coarse leaf]

cerulean coast was so pretty but so barren

[cold maple]

telling us to do what we already were gonna do

thiollier had a great arc though

[barren sequoia]

I liked that boss from cerulean cost

[fiery burrow]

Next game should be Dark Souls 1 and 2 remake

[lone crown]

Im a Putrescent Knight enjoyer

[barren sequoia]

The one where you had to go through the graves

Hes a cool boss

I also really really like the flower

I fucking love the flower

[cold maple]

another PK truther

cultured indeed

[barren sequoia]

Magical evil flower that kicks your ass

[lone crown]

Scadutree Avatar is also very cool

[atomic sparrow]

hey guys

[barren sequoia]

Its undertale

[cold maple]

he was originally the Gloam Eyed Knight

so she was probably gonna be in it

also the fact that st trina got heavily involved with death

which is GEQ realm

[barren sequoia]

St trina was neat

I liked st trina

[lone crown]

I’m going to Twinbird

[barren sequoia]

Okay most of miquella was cool

[cedar sedge]

every single fromsoftware dlc ends in an underwhelming way, no idea why they keep doing it but it is in no mean a sign of rushing...sote is incredibly huge for dlc standards

[barren sequoia]

Except for the wierd fucking incest

[cold maple]

underutilized

[barren sequoia]

Its the incest that kills it

[cold maple]

cut content shows they had wayyy different plans

or direction they wanted to go

[barren sequoia]

Fuck I cant even remember what happens after the gael fight

[cedar sedge]

nothing lmao

[lone crown]

I wouldn’t say that (that first bit) but i do get what you mean

[timid ridge]

people call the DLCs the best the souls games have to offer, and after finally playing them, i disagree

[cold maple]

yeah it took 2 years to do

[timid ridge]

Im a firm DS2 defender and the DLCs in that game are not as enjoyable to me as the base game

[lone crown]

Ds2 dlc is like the worst exception

[cold maple]

miyazaka games then

[lone crown]

Ds2 dlc was created by satan

[cold maple]

miyazaki

[barren sequoia]

I do like how you can actually help gael in ds3

[cold maple]

that isn’t his

[barren sequoia]

You can save the painted world

[cedar sedge]

ds2 dlcs do have a kind of ending at least

[barren sequoia]

Which is all he wanted

[lone crown]

Who cooked Cave of the Dead, Frigid Outskirts, and the fucking Blue Smelter Demon route

[cold maple]

Gael the GOAT

Miyazaki didn’t direct ds2

[timid ridge]

dark souls 2 is a good game but what it was really missing is a shit runback to a second smelter demon with a wizard that slows you down so that the 5,000 enemies placed there have an easy chance to kill you.

So im glad the DLC added that

[cold maple]

Gael one of best fromsoft characters easily

[lone crown]

God that place is pure unfettered ass

[cold maple]

i think miquella had more potential

as a character

he was the most hyped guy

[lone crown]

At least Nightreign’s final boss leaves a better taste in my mouth compared to the disappointment that was just “Radahn again”

[cold maple]

for good reason

[opaque sigil]

final boss for now

[cold maple]

but he got sidelined in his own story for predahn

which is sad

Miqqy deserved more

[timid ridge]

Dark souls 2 has a bunch of frustrating bullshit ass moments, with some really bizarre changes that make the combat annoying.

but id still place it above dark souls 3, that one was a little boring to me

[lone crown]

Its bias cause Miyazaki said it was his favorite character

[cold maple]

they haven’t hyped up a character like that in base game since Ludwig

and Artorias

and they both delivered

[cedar sedge]

yea radahn definitely took the spotlight, i would've loved to have a proper miquella fight

[lone crown]

Something I give ds3 is just more modern movement and also just the coolness with how the bosses presented themselves and felt

But ngl ds3 areas are lame imo

[cold maple]

but he had a perfect arc

which to me ruined radahn too

the festival was badass

[timid ridge]

the combat in DS3 is the best in the trilogy, and arguably the bosses too. but its still my least favorite of the trilogy

[cedar sedge]

ngl i see why

[cold maple]

and for some reason radahn and malenia fought

for reasons that don’t really make sense now

or at least not properly stated

[cedar sedge]

it is stated

[cold maple]

kinda just shit on radahn and significance of biggest shattering event

[stark prism]

sharting event?

[cold maple]

we don’t know anything beyond what malenia whispered to radahn

[timid ridge]

i really really hope the elden ring movie makes the obvious decision of being a lore movie that takes place before the game. instead of somehow trying to adapt the events of the game itself with a tarnished protag (that would be dumb).

just make a lore movie that ends on like the shattering of the elden ring, or maybe it can have malenia and radahn's fight.

anything before the game

[cedar sedge]

yea but we connect the dots with what she whispered, that's kinda the point of the narrative

[cold maple]

idk how a live action would even look

[cold maple]

what?

why did radahn and malenia fight then

[lone crown]

My headcanon is radahn never consented to miquella’s crazy vow and miquella was desperate so he sent malenia to kill or at least rot his balls so he dies, and then miquella can stuff his soul into something like a puppet

But the whole issue with that is Miquella literally has bewitching powers, why couldn’t he have just done that instead

[cedar sedge]

malenia had to kill radahn so he could be reborn and used as a puppet and consort by miquella

[lone crown]

Why would miquella send someone off to fight at all if he could just bewitch anyway

[cold maple]

where is that stated

[cold maple]

doesn’t make sense

[lone crown]

Yeah ik it doesnt

I struggle to make sense of it as-is

[cedar sedge]

it is not DIRECTLY stated but you connect the dots with the item description

[cold maple]

why does he need to die

[cedar sedge]

that's the point of souls narrative design, half of the lore is not stated

[cold maple]

what if i kill radahn with my destined death blade

how does he come back

and it’s implied radahn agreed

so what changed

[cedar sedge]

where is it implied?

[cold maple]

freyja said a vow between them

[cedar sedge]

the whole thing is that miquella is a monster cause he bewitches everyone and makes them do thing without consent

[cold maple]

i think u missed that part

[lone crown]

The Lion Greatbow actually has a Miquella’s Lily on it

[barren sequoia]

It would make sense for radahn to kinda give up on miquellas plan due to his commitment to holding back the stars

[cedar sedge]

it is not implied that radahn agreed to the vow

tho

[opaque sigil]

miquella seems to think he did