sk-discussion

[lament mango]

Ngl I didn't like guardian at first... but then I realized he can charge his shield counter

[lone crown]

In training grounds

[opaque sigil]

The issue is the guard stamina drain making guard counters incredibly unreliable when it’s important for your built to be online

[lament mango]

It's only with halberds mind, kinda wish he had more pole arms to add to that

[trail badge]

what game are you talking abt?

[lone crown]

Exactly

[lament mango]

Nightreign

[trail badge]

ohh haven’t played it yet

[lone crown]

They need to reduce the amount of stamina consumption for Guardian’s super block

[opaque sigil]

Like can guardian actually fight any nightlord well using that playstyle

[lone crown]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

Maybe one or two

[lament mango]

Imo how you fix it is: the over time guard drain only kicks in after 5 or 6 seconds of blocking continuously

[opaque sigil]

The issue is hits taking so much stamina

[lone crown]

Guardian IS useful in theory and even is currently but he needs a buff

[opaque sigil]

He’s a tank he should be able to make it through a full combo without getting staggered so he can actually guard counter

[lone crown]

If he finds “more likely to aggro” its also good for him but he needs that stam depletion reduced too

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[zinc pond]

No skong this year

[opaque sigil]

I’m not sure what really goes strongly in his favor, his ult is good for ressing

[zinc pond]

[lone crown]

They made his dodge roll stinky specifically to encourage the blocking yet they’re gonna have to buff it then

Especially against fights like ||libra where blocking gives madness buildup anyway||

[lament mango]

Back was making chili

[opaque sigil]

It’s not like he’s not viable I just don’t know why you’d choose him over like wylder

[lament mango]

I feel like his biggest issue is every single one of his abilities is team focused

His art is great for picking teammates up, same with his ult

[opaque sigil]

That’s fine useful even for what he is

[lament mango]

Infact holding his ult makes a defense up AoE effecf

[opaque sigil]

The issue is he’s built for surviving via guarding and the mechanics don’t really allow for that

[lament mango]

But it comes at the cost of him being awkward to play solo or where your not specifically tanking or reviving

[opaque sigil]

He’s designed around an underpowered defensive strategy which makes him a worse tank

[lone crown]

14 wind gusts instead of 1

[lament mango]

Kinda stuff that makes me wish alongside relics, remembrancesbalso upgraded your weapons in some way

[lone crown]

Microstaggering is more useful than launching too cause free attacking during this on crowds of mobs

[lament mango]

Like an aggro skill on his shield would do wonders

[opaque sigil]

Eh even the existing weapon upgrades via relics are questionable

You don’t want to make weapon pickups obsolete

[lone crown]

I wonder how good it'd be with a purple/legend shield or something

[opaque sigil]

So you shouldn’t really be able to customize your starting weapons

Look at revenant’s claws you don’t want the starting shit to be uniquely powerful

[lone crown]

I think they should remove that passive stamina depletion after the first block

[lament mango]

Oh i would.... IF I HAD HER

[lone crown]

Have it just deplete from attacks since attacks can deplete a lot of it at once

[opaque sigil]

(They’re stupid fast two handed, have long range, and scale innately with faith)

[lone crown]

And have it so every block done in a short period strengthens your next guard counter

Create a wind buff indicating that, maybe even increase the range of the guard counter like a wind thrust

That would be peak

[opaque sigil]

I think they could leave that if they made him automatically do the advanced guard whenever you raise shield

Why is the step a requirement

If it automatically did the stronger guard then depleted after being hit the optimal stamina practice would be more engaging

[lone crown]

Like even executor is hypothetically a better tank than guardian

At the right hands ofc

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[bleak token]

where is the leth's discount account

[lone crown]

You can negate everything for free AND lower enemy posture doing it

[opaque sigil]

I’d barely call that hypothetically he just is

[lone crown]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

Plus his ult full heals him

[lone crown]

His ult is so fun

Did you see me using it to jump rope gladius

[opaque sigil]

Of course the best tank is Sebastian

[opaque sigil]

I think so yeah

[lone crown]

Its so funny

[opaque sigil]

What da dog doin

[lone crown]

Stupidly high jumping shouldnt feel possible

I wonder if i can jump over fulghor AoE

[opaque sigil]

The fissures?

I doubt it

[lone crown]

The giant thing after the charging

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that’s pretty high

[lament lotus]

ill put leth on hold on

[bleak token]

thank you very nuch

[lone crown]

Wait what happens if I

You can KILL THEM

I gotta see what happens

[opaque sigil]

Yeah they’re tanky as hell

[lone crown]

Im whipping out the legendary weapons and ult

[opaque sigil]

I think I shot one down

Use uuuh enchanted arrow

[lone crown]

Well thats just sad

I feel bad

Did they really create a unique death animation for that

Wait they respawn

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-jason-bateman-michael-bluth-do-not-open-dead-dove-gif-3567411

[lone crown]

Very quickly

Like actual target practice

[opaque sigil]

Yeah I assume that’s the point of them

Not sure why though they’re a bit out of range for that, I guess maybe testing max range with some spells

[lament igloo]

Alr so i guess I woke up to no ss again

[lone crown]

I could hit em just fine with radahn bow

[lament igloo]

Its aight

[lone crown]

Frosty?

[lament igloo]

Today is the day yall

[lone crown]

Yeah frosty had nothing

[lament igloo]

Yep

[radiant tundra]

i hope they announce 3ds port of silksong

[opaque sigil]

Greatbows

[lone crown]

I love that they gave the ashes of war with no icons previously cool ass art

[lament igloo]

Today is the day

[radiant tundra]

also hopefully you can mine tiles in silksong like terraria

[lament igloo]

We are winning guys today

[opaque sigil]

It’s still crazy to me that you can’t look in your inventory in base er and see weapon skill descriptions like that

[lament igloo]

TODAY WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO FINALLY SAY

[lone crown]

Like this is peak

[lament igloo]

WE DID IT

[lone crown]

That death rite bird with the deaths poker is cool

[trim estuary]

Death Rite Bird ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌

[lone crown]

I could look at these all day

[opaque sigil]

Death rite bird is more fun in nightreign

[lone crown]

God i cant wait to see the ER DLC ash of war art

[opaque sigil]

Icl a lot of bosses that kinda pissed me off in er are just way less annoying in nr

[opaque sigil]

So true

[lone crown]

Cause nightreign movement and speed is just fun and the super sprint is so useful

[opaque sigil]

Rellana’s twin swords

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, also you don’t have to agonize over equip loads to get the fast rolls

[trim estuary]

Those are my favorite weapons in ER I NEED them in NR

[opaque sigil]

I felt bad abandoning my dark moon greatsword for them but they go so hard

[lone crown]

Like wow

Most of those are all new

The art i mean

[opaque sigil]

Yeah I was surprised at how boring a lot of the er menus were by comparison

[lone crown]

And its cool that they appear on your HUD depending on two-handing

[lyric tendon]

damn this silksong gameplay looks wild

[lone crown]

Even this shitty ass weapon got something

Idk maybe its good in NR never used it

I tried a flail exactly once and it worked for me

[trim estuary]

The Nightreign UI team can cook

[wild vector]

anyone excited for the xbox showcase?

[azure kraken]

no

[opaque sigil]

Would be on theme for revenant at least

[lone crown]

I love the fact revenant exists

Ghostflame is my favorite theme in Elden Ring

If you couldnt already tell

[opaque sigil]

I noticed earlier that all the family wear the same mantle thing as the doll herself

[lone crown]

I love that she's what connected the ancestral spirits to the same deathbird stuff which confirms the winged greathorn is indeed another twinbird connection

For context her ult releases the same particles and color as the Soul Stifler ash of war from the deer's remembrance weapon

[opaque sigil]

I see

[lone crown]

Weapon lore for context

[opaque sigil]

Interesting

[lone crown]

And the fact that the two cultures may be connected may finally fucking explain WHY the deathbirds cremate the dead other than cool powers

[opaque sigil]

Not a connection I would’ve thought to draw

[lone crown]

Its cause the "sprouting" refers to the crucible

Something we see a ton in the DLC

Everything has horns and shit, marks of the crucible

[opaque sigil]

Wasn’t the erdtree the crucible or something

[lone crown]

Not really

The crucible predates the Erdtree

It was a blend of all life

Marika views the horned creatures as a bad omen which is a whole story

[lone crown]

Marika basically genocided the hornsent and hid that fact in the DLC lands of shadow and covered the place with a veil

In the basegame the omen and stuff are called that for a reason as a reminder of her past

[opaque sigil]

Monarch things

[lone crown]

She basically spread propaganda that horns = bad

[lone crown]

Her sons with Godfrey were actually Omen and she therefore banished them to the sewers

(Morgott and Mohg)

The two brothers have different coping mechanisms

[opaque sigil]

I could tell

[lone crown]

Mohg set off against the erdtree and started his own faith

Morgott kept fighting for validation

Morgott even held back Radahn himself from conquering the capital

Bro was competent

[opaque sigil]

But like
How

He must’ve fallen off HARD

[lone crown]

Nobody knew about morgott

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but he’s Morgott he’s weak

[lone crown]

But yeah he made sure NOBODY took over during the fucking shattering too where everyone was fighting

[lone crown]

When you think about it everyone you fight fell off

Other than i think godfrey who looks visibly in his prime

[opaque sigil]

I guess

[trim estuary]

The Hornsent deserved it icl

[opaque sigil]

Radagon looks fine idk what you’re on about

[lone crown]

What they did to Marika's people is kinda fucked up

""""""kinda"""""""

[trim estuary]

Now me personally I wouldn’t cut people up and put them into jars but

That’s just me

[opaque sigil]

Interesting perspective I’m not sure I agree

[torn kayak]

COPIUN

COPIUM

[amber parcel]

silksong tommorow

[lone crown]

Yeah for context the Hornsent tried to replicate the crucible using pots and tried to do so quite literally by using Marika’s people as a base

Quite literally mixing people into jars and creating abominations

[opaque sigil]

Charming

I guess there had to be a story behind the jars

[lone crown]

Idk what the difference is between dlc jars and warrior jars but i know there’s a difference

Warrior jars seem actually functional

[stiff sleet]

copiun

[lone crown]

I say “warrior jars” but not all are warriors ofc

[oblique musk]

It's funny. Before I learned what the Hornsent did to the Shamans, I was all like "oh no, these poor guys. I can't believe Messmer did this to them." After, I was all like "Those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death. In the embrace of Messmer's Flame."

[lone crown]

The greater will revelation in the dlc is kinda crazy though

The whole fingers thing

[oblique musk]

The basegame jars are filled with the remains of dead warriors. They were designed as a method to transport their bodies to the erdtree for burial. Significantly less fucked up than the DLC jars.

[lone crown]

I hate the erdtree personally fuck the erdtree it ruined the natural order

[stiff sleet]

but the erdtree is so cool looking

[blazing beacon]

tonight i hope we silk and we song instead of just silk🙏

[trim estuary]

I agree! We should burn it all the way to the ground I think

[trim estuary]

REAL

[lone crown]

Effectively replaced the sun’s role, and the seat of the sun which was the culture Ensha was a part of (old death culture lets gooooo)

But yeah the erdtree is a parasite

One that forcibly established monotheism in a land of paganism

[trim estuary]

Replacing the sun is crazy work

Wasn’t a moon also replaced

[lone crown]

And dont even get me started with the implications of erdtree burial

[blazing beacon]

isn't there a title like someone has for hk?

[opaque sigil]

I thought the erdtree was like the source of life or something

[trim estuary]

what

[opaque sigil]

But what I’m hearing is burning that sucker is cool actually

[trim estuary]

It lets things be reborn iirc

[lone crown]

Marika also plucked the concept of death from the elden ring

And gave it to maliketh

And then betrayed maliketh

[opaque sigil]

And stole death back?

[blazing beacon]

you have smth near your name that says YURI so i was kinda curious if there was a title as well for hk

[opaque sigil]

Maliketh was mad about that

[trim estuary]

Nope. This server doesn’t have one

[lone crown]

Not betrayed in that sense but basically maliketh’s alternative dialogue for doing his questline beforehand says “marika, why wouldst thou beguile me” upon death, because YOU are marika’s champion

[blazing beacon]

but how does it work?
you get in a server that has one and actually you get that one?

[trim estuary]

Also off topic Nightreign question but ||does Heolstor have the Elden Ring in his chest???|| I haven’t beat it for reference

[lone crown]

Oh the whole stolen death thing was a big thing regarding the most famous mystery character in ER lore

[opaque sigil]

I don’t think so?

[lone crown]

No its a unique ||Great Rune||

[trim estuary]

You just join the server and go to your profile

[lone crown]

Gloam Eyed Queen and her Godskins

[trim estuary]

Oh interesting

[blazing beacon]

i see, ty

[trim estuary]

Don’t you mean Melina and her Godskins

[lone crown]

Reading the godslayer’s greatsword in caelid divine towers reveals her defeat by maliketh

Gloam Eyed Queen was an Empyrean which is super rare

Like someone chosen by the fingers who can ascend to godhood

[trim estuary]

Aren’t the only Empyreans Marika, Ranni, and Miquella

[lone crown]

So far only the stock of Marika have been empyreans

[trim estuary]

and also maybe Saint Trina I forgot

[opaque sigil]

Is it Melina or something she has a gloamy eye

[oblique musk]

Malenia as well

[lone crown]

Malenia, Miquella, Ranni, GEQ are confirmed

[trim estuary]

oh yah cause she’s just marika’s kid

[crimson pendant]

Whens day of the devs happenin?

[lone crown]

She reveals the eye in an alternate ending

[oblique musk]

In -2 days.

[opaque sigil]

Oh so it is Melina

[crimson pendant]

Aw

[lone crown]

She’s also presumed to be Marika’s secret daughter cause of her filename and also causes of Messmer’s Kindling item description

[oblique musk]

That and the butterflies.

[opaque sigil]

She also talked about her mother’s purpose or something didn’t she

[lone crown]

Filename is “MaricaDaughter” and yeah the butterflies and messmer’s kindling reads “Messmer had a sister, she too bore a vision of fire” or something

[lone crown]

Yep precisely

[warm kindle]

hey chat, just finished the new deltarune chapters

[trim estuary]

She mentions being born at the foot of the Erdtree too

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[trim estuary]

Peak amirite

[warm kindle]

p e a k

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/casssper09-kyasupa-kyasupakyu-melina-purple-eye-casper-gif-25549176

[warm kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bully-maguire-spiderman-homem-aranha-gif-2038310814613101264

[wheat imp]

Silksong in 10 hours!

[trim estuary]

I will gladly take Destined Death!! Thank you, Melina!!

[lone crown]

I find it interesting that her eye tattoo actually represents a bird talon… TWINBIRD FOR SURE

[warm kindle]

I still have to try the weirdroute and violent route changes

[trim estuary]

I’ve heard it gets really weird but I haven’t played it yet

[warm kindle]

silksong its just behind you

[lone crown]

Also very interesting that a death-themed dlc boss has the codename “GloamEyedKnight” which might lend credence to a ghostflame connection to GEQ

[warm kindle]

the whole chapter can be weird with some secrets

[opaque sigil]

Nightreign dlc surely ~~the other nightlords have been soooo interconnected ~~

[lone crown]

But it could always be a rewrite of sorts

[warm kindle]

creepy rooms with "lore" I GUESS

[trim estuary]

Did you beat ||The Knight|| (DELTARUNE chapter 3)

[warm kindle]

yessir

no guides

Had to do it again cuz wanted to get the egg

[lone crown]

It would be so cool if the Night’s origin came from the twinbird thoughhhh and the trace of night item kinda reminds me of a phoenix for some reasonnnnn

[oblique musk]

Who would win? ||A literal fucking titan or 3 kids and an old ass turtle||

[lone crown]

I know it wont happen i should let go

[warm kindle]

||The lancer fan club delta runes all over the place again||

[trim estuary]

I think you’re forgetting ||the indomitable human spirit SOUL||

[opaque sigil]

Anyways I know fuck all about the timeline but is it possible ||heolstor was a carian knight struck down by radagon or some other leyndell fucker or is that just not lining up||

[lone crown]

Hmmmmm

[barren sequoia]

Is silksong perchance by tomorrow

[trim estuary]

No

[barren sequoia]

Perchance

[oblique musk]

It seems unlikely. ||The Night of the Lord implies he fell, and was then resurrected, during the Shattering war, which took place after either of the Liurnian Wars.||

[fringe vigil]

What do you guys think? Is silksong today or tomorrow?

[warm kindle]

||Kinda dissapointed fr the chapter 3 secret boss, was expecting a new soul color or Kris weapon/armor||

[warm kindle]

today for shaw

[opaque sigil]

That’s what I thought but I look back and it ||doesn’t actually say he was resurrected or killed just defeated||

[trim estuary]

? ||You get a weapon for Kris|| (DELTARUNE chapter 3 again)

[opaque sigil]

And he like crawled out from under a pile of bodies, he might’ve just been a survivor

Who got knocked out or whatever

[warm kindle]

||yeah but I was expecting something like spamton and jevil, jevil reducing Rude Buster tp cost, spamton turning ralsei into a dps||

[lone crown]

Idk, ||heolstor|| is a complete mystery to me i dont know squat about him

[opaque sigil]

||Though he had failed to protect anything or anyone, he yet lived. And so he cursed the world.||

[warm kindle]

||Ngl the piece of glass is badass tho||

[trim estuary]

||Kris’ weapon deals two billion damage to Dark enemies. That’s the gimmick||

[opaque sigil]

I’m kinda going off his theming a bit with ||all the star stuff||

[lone crown]

In ER there actually was a “Lord of Night” mentioned before Nightreign existed

[opaque sigil]

That’s pretty ||carian||

[oblique musk]

||It's extra insane when you consider the secret dialogue in Chapter 4 that implies Asgore has a second shard. Did he fight The Knight? Was he there when Dess vanished? Is that why he got fired?||

[opaque sigil]

In what context

[lone crown]

Bad quality but

[trim estuary]

Okay so ||Carol doesn’t know the Knight is Dess right|| (DELTARUNE again)

[warm kindle]

||Tbh that part give me chills, what if asgore was helping the mayor, killing toriel and getting Kris custody back again||

[trim estuary]

Oh so Ranni is the Lord of Night!

[opaque sigil]

Yeeeeah idk

[lone crown]

We dont know if this means our player tarnished in the Age of Stars ending or the Nightlord

[opaque sigil]

Seems like ||heolstor might be like a perversion of it||

[warm kindle]

||It almost looks like the knight its actually Carol||

[opaque sigil]

||could it be both tho||
||dark moon greatsword is required for age of stars ||

[lone crown]

You’re cooking

[warm kindle]

||That or just dess got turned into a demon||

[oblique musk]

||I really don't feel like Asgore would ever try to kill Toriel. He very clearly still cares about her. Plus, he says that "Tori will [...] see what really happened", which will be difficult if she dies.||

[trim estuary]

Can’t be. ||Carol is talking to/scolding Noelle while The Knight is beating up Kris and Susie in the church Dark World|| (DELTARUNE chapter 4)

[opaque sigil]

Not really it wouldn’t be consistent with the end of the night of the lord

[opaque sigil]

Though I doubt the conceptual similarities are completely unintended

He does ||open a portal of stars||

[oblique musk]

||Carol was actually an olympic sprinter back in the day and books it over to the church as you go inside||

[trim estuary]

Holy crap we’re back to Kris Knight Theory

[warm kindle]

|||||

stick

[lone crown]

What if theres more than one knight

[warm kindle]

||Toby just shut my mouth with the monster death stuff, its oficially confirmed that monsters turn into dust on deltarune too||

[trim estuary]

||There pretty definitively isn’t at this point. At least there aren’t two ‘Roaring’ Knights||

[warm kindle]

very complicated to me.

[trim estuary]

||They bleed AND dust apparently. Either that or Susie is half human. Also Sans is from DELTARUNE||

[oblique musk]

But for a more serious analysis, ||what's to say Carol couldn't still be the knight? A fair bit of time passes between when you enter the church and you encounter the knight, so Carol could have easily made the dark fountain in the church while you were at her house, came to the house when Kris called, scolded Noelle, then headed back down to the church. Nobody would question if she headed that way, since her office is right next door.||

[lone crown]

True

[warm kindle]

||Now the question is, why the fuck they turn into dust if they aren't made of magic if theorically magic doesn't exist there||

[opaque sigil]

Ok my headcanon is now ||a carian king whose realm fell in a war that like he alone survived, and then he called out in despair and that brought the rain|| (key word A moon greatsword, this might be standard practice for the family)

Oh I’m stupid it says right there that it’s long standing tradition

[warm kindle]

I liked the Kris knight theory and im not going to hide it.

[trim estuary]

True, but it feels a bit obvious at this point. ||Dess probably inherited Carol’s antlers where Noelle inherited Rudy’s, so I think the Knight’s antlers are meant to be misdirection||

[opaque sigil]

Or ig a ||knight who became consort||

[lone crown]

That would make sense

[warm kindle]

||Also would explain why the knight got THAT MAD after susie CRACKED their weapon, cracked bat remember?||

[south vigil]

||what if the knight doesn’t actually have antlers and it’s just misdirection||

[next minnow]

Did we get news at fgf?

I was asleep

[south vigil]

take a WILD guess

[stiff sleet]

yea we got a silksong trailer

[trim estuary]

SPOILER TAG

[south vigil]

my badd

[lone crown]

Worth pointing out that the moon to some capacity CAN be an outer god

[warm kindle]

||technically the knight doesn't have anything bc...ball||

[lone crown]

Like it can be argued that maybe it is one

[strange gulch]

me too. Did anything happen?

[south vigil]

||true, ball knight fr||

[trim estuary]

Which one

[opaque sigil]

Sure there’s definitely some power at play physically causing the rain, the moon could be it. It does happen at night after all, the night rain

[warm kindle]

||someone else got mad about toriel casually dancing with sans after SAVING THE WORLD||

[lone crown]

The full and dark moon are said to have wisdom

[opaque sigil]

It could be like|| vengeance from the moon itself||

[next minnow]

Probably not. The sub would have exploded

[trim estuary]

Was that someone else ||Kris||

[lone crown]

Twin moons too

[south vigil]

||i think the knight being dess makes a lot of sense. Something could have happened to her, changed her, and kris could be working with carol to try to save dess from whatever happened||

[opaque sigil]

Uuuh

[warm kindle]

||yeah they count too.||

[lone crown]

But there are like 5 outright confirmed outer gods outer gods

surprisingly the Greater Will doesnt fall into this

[warm kindle]

poor kris man

[trim estuary]

Do the Dark Souls ones count now

[lone crown]

But GW is still most likely an outer god

[south vigil]

wdym outer god i might be missing something

[opaque sigil]

Are those the moons

[oblique musk]

||One thing that interests me is that The Knight and Kris seem to be working together, or at least not as hostile to one another. In the boss fight, Kris deals reduced damage (less than Ralsei), and the knight in turn only reduces their health to -80 on a down, rather than -999. Furthermore, when you use the "Check" prompt, it says "Kris couldn't learn anything". While this could mean TK is just that unknowable, it could also mean that anything that could be learned about the knight Kris already knows.||

[slim ember]

Good morning

[south vigil]

oh are you talking about a different game

[lone crown]

No thats the elden ring

[opaque sigil]

I might be dumb

[lone crown]

Yeah we have been lmao

[trim estuary]

||They also give Kris a tap on the shoulder if you beat them lmao||

[oblique musk]

There are two completely separate conversations going on right now. It does not help that me and zip are participating in both, and both are filled to the brim with spoiler tags.

[south vigil]

||it’s possible dess is the knight and they knew each other already||

[south vigil]

lmfao fr

[opaque sigil]

Still big white thing in the sky even if it looks painted

[normal token]

||Iirc there was at one point the roaring knight where they put the sword over Kris' shoulder just like back in the medieval day to serve the knight role||

[south vigil]

||i think something happened to dess and kris wants to save her, and she’s not necessarily evil but whatever happened to her is making her do the knight stuff||

[south vigil]

instead of ||hurting kris, the knight just made them kneel yeah||

[opaque sigil]

Also you could argue the ||nightlord arena landscapes look sort of lunar, white dunes||

[trim estuary]

Important thing: ||is The Knight the one talking to Kris in the chapter 3 S rank games? Because if so, it’s DEFINITELY not Carol and Dess sounds WAY more evil||

[warm kindle]

||oh really? I thought it was something like "Stay down I dont want to give you brain damage too"||

[south vigil]

ngl idk what happens there can you explain it i didn’t get s rank first board and didn’t replay yet

[oblique musk]

I feel like ||it's the Shadow Mantle bat creature thing, which seems to not be The Knight.||

[trim estuary]

Is that not ||The Knight? What on earth is it then???||

[warm kindle]

||nope, sounds more evil, joyful, almost like jevil but thinking kris is just having fun||

[normal token]

||Cba to get the specific deltarune frame but it is eerily similair||

[south vigil]

the implications of ||the video game being able to enter the world and vice versa is VERY interesting btw||

[umbral ether]

i assume it is the ||shadow mantle||

[trim estuary]

In the ||second and third S Rank games, a mysterious person talks to Kris and taunts them, and then fights them as a weird bat creature||

[south vigil]

||especially because you kill ralsei and suzie in the game||

[south vigil]

oh
hm

[lone crown]

Outright confirmed outer gods:
-Formless Mother (the bleed shit with Mohg as its primary envoy/representative since he’s a shardbearer who knows pain)
-Rot God (scarlet rot with Malenia as its envoy, also a shardbearer)
-The Fell God (god of giantsflame, fire monks, flame of ruin and shit like that, the giants were slain by Marika and Godfrey so its power became nearly irrelevant but not really since the last giant we fight and stuff, who watches over the forge)
-Frenzied flame, not mentioned directly as outer god but implied by Miquella’s Needle which “wards off the meddling of outer gods” and is used to remove frenzy mark from the Tarnished
-The outer god of death/the deathbirds, which we know nothing about

[warm kindle]

||fun fact you can attack kris to scare them or try to kill susie||

[south vigil]

ye ik

[umbral ether]

chapter 4 done i prefered chapter 4 to 3 way more

[south vigil]

both peam though

did you find the secret boss

[opaque sigil]

I could believe the rain is caused by another one, and ||given the visuals prior to the nightlord fights that that one is the moon||

[oblique musk]

peam...

[umbral ether]

true chapter 3 was more funny where as chapter 4 more lore focused

[lone crown]

And now you see why im so interested in knowing about the damn deathbirds

[south vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[lone crown]

Their lore is sprinkled subtly everywhere

[warm kindle]

||btw, on the first minigame, if you max your level and backtrack all the way to the cave you can find a dialogue saying "Having fun?"||

[opaque sigil]

Like what if that’s what this is

[lone crown]

Even the mausoleum knights who guard the soulless demigods, they evoke the Deathbird with their armor

[umbral ether]

it also says ||become stronger if you are level 2 i tihnk||

[opaque sigil]

||the moon sending the rain||

[trim estuary]

Wonderful.

[lone crown]

Thats a really cool take

[south vigil]

btw ||a new soul growing in noelle in chapter 4 weird route is fucking insane||

[warm kindle]

||yup, also after that says "became stronger"||

[trim estuary]

WHAT
I need to play this as soon as possible

[south vigil]

it’s crazyyyy

[umbral ether]

neat

[south vigil]

yeeee hype
deltarune 2026morrow

[warm kindle]

WHAT YO WHAT I NEED TO DO THAT NOW

[umbral ether]

what is this

i saw this on the chapter select

[trim estuary]

Shadow Crystal count

[lone crown]

When a debug tool drops im absolutely no-clipping to that burst tree and skybox

[oblique musk]

Love how ||chapter 3 is all just a bunch of silly and harmless fun until the fucking roaring night shows up, neg-diffs the $!$? Squad, and leaves.||

[south vigil]

why does it look like there’s 3 per chapter

[normal token]

Im really surprised they put out the release year ingame ngl

[trim estuary]

Save files

[opaque sigil]

So true

[south vigil]

ohh

[umbral ether]

oh that's cool

[trim estuary]

Have any more unique things between save files been found?

[umbral ether]

welp tomorrow ill do a weird route file

by replaying the entire game again

[opaque sigil]

Although actually there are two moons right

[south vigil]

yes it’s very interesting

[oblique musk]

Have we double-checked HK to make sure the release date isn't there?

[umbral ether]

so im gonna have to fight jevil again how fun

[normal token]

It was hidden behind Mr Mushroom

[lone crown]

Idk anymore theres moons aplenty

[opaque sigil]

||maybe they’re opposed here, doesn’t the spirit shelter and its tree have moon like effects on the map and shit||

[umbral ether]

i hate jevil's fight so much

[cyan forum]

correct it's a good fight

what why

[umbral ether]

the low amount of hp combined with the damage

[south vigil]

btw mo did you play megalovania on the organ

[umbral ether]

i did not but i saw a video about what happens

[south vigil]

funny af fr

[cyan forum]

which isn't that bad tbh because it's a fair enough fight

[lone crown]

There’s also this moon, and if you’re insane like i am and try to enhance the top part of the talisman you see TWO BIRDS RAGHHHHHH

[opaque sigil]

It’s blue prince all over again

[umbral ether]

it will probally be easier since last time i fought jevil recently i have had not played deltarune in 5 years

[south vigil]

i’m so curious about chapter 5 weird route because of ||the new soul growing in noelle from chapter 4||

[opaque sigil]

Ok so this one is a guide

[lone crown]

I know for a fact the damn birds are so important and nobody believes meeeeeeeee OR im just going crazy

Im probably crazy

[umbral ether]

you may be going crazy

[south vigil]

both

[lone crown]

Hell you can even find two birds on the TIME OF DAY CLOCK ART

Over a castle… im so cooked

[opaque sigil]

Ok hear me out
Nightlord fight is on the melting moon in the sky in the spirit shelter
Spirit shelter is maybe on a different moon

[lone crown]

Hmmm

[umbral ether]

i do not care youtube

[opaque sigil]

I will also point at where the nightlord appears on your map

[deep laurel]

how many deathbirds do you fight again?

[lone crown]

Oh also in case you didnt know, the spirit shelter thing? The day 3 thing? You’re in a divine tower

[lone crown]

You can also see it in day 2 if you look up, being wrapped by the white tree

[opaque sigil]

Also during the actual nightlord fight the big fucking thing in the sky is gone
Where did it go?
You’re standing on it

[lone crown]

That would be trippy

[opaque sigil]

The door is also pointing towards it it feels like the visual language there is consistent

[lone crown]

Nightreign has bird imagery sprinkled about, has blue colored flames… they’re mocking me at this point

[opaque sigil]

[lone crown]

Biggest troll in my entire life was when I saw DLC footage before the DLC released and I was introduced to the gravebird enemy for the first time and I was like theres no way. It has to be in the dlc

[deep laurel]

the bird god would have to be on the same level as elden beast then to feel good

[lone crown]

And then we get squat

[opaque sigil]

I think I remember you talking about that lmao

[lone crown]

Not as bad as the godskin lovers though

Blackflame didnt even show up in the DLC once

That is just sad

Meanwhile we got bombshells in other spots

[opaque sigil]

It’s behind the door

[lone crown]

That would be an awesome detail if true

[opaque sigil]

Maybe I just haven’t slept but it makes a lot of sense to me

[lone crown]

We know what fucked up Placidusax, we know Marika’s story, we know the true nature of the Fingers, the entire arc for miquella and st trina, mohg beating the allegations, we even got info about Godwyn’s…. well I’ll save that for when you “meet him”

[opaque sigil]

What is the nature of the fingers actually I feel like I missed what they are entirely on every level

[lone crown]

There’s a secret remembrance boss where you have to complete Count Ymir’s questline

[opaque sigil]

I see

[lone crown]

The guy in the big church in Scadu Altus, east

[opaque sigil]

I need to sleep then I want to try to synthesize my nightreign lore thoughts more coherently

Gn

[lone crown]

Nightreign lore is confusing and idk much of it but they DID utilize existing lore that wasnt elaborated upon in basegame like Land of Reeds

Bye bye

[tame atlas]

I have complete and utter faith in Silksong today

[lone crown]

Same

[tame atlas]

Awesome pfp I just finished chapter 4 it was so worth the 3 year wait

[lone crown]

Wait thats not what my pfp is meant to be 😭

[median fractal]

ok chat I swear if silksong isnt at xbox I am starting a conspiracy theory that Silksong is out already and the shadow government of r/silksong are hiding the truth behind silksong from us because its too much for a man to handle

[lone crown]

Ive been getting that a lot

[deep laurel]

https://prnt.sc/Osrm2qTly0ry

[cobalt hatch]

y'all, not a single person still in the game, wtf is this

[cobalt hatch]

lies of peak

[tame atlas]

oh lol I looked at your pfp and thought it was spoilers for deltarune chapter 4 lol

[south vigil]

you thought it was ||the titan||??

[cobalt hatch]

Guys did you know that Silksong might come out today, with a launch trailer

[opaque sigil]

Actually last thing I’ll point out he does have a crown

[lone crown]

Pontiff

[tame atlas]

I think its skong today purely because of the deadpool silksong joke they wouldn't do that if they didn't already know that we were getting silksong soon anyway

[tame atlas]

Yup

[south vigil]

ah

[opaque sigil]

It corroborates the royalty connection the moon sword also establishes is all

[south vigil]

ig it kinda looks like it

[deep laurel]

maybe it's better if the rest of the lore is left to speculation

[verbal loom]

Okay, so Leth wasn't expecting Silksong to be mentioned at the Summer Game Fest at all.

[polar stag]

I hope you're right but TC is unpredictable

[lone crown]

True

[versed jackal]

we had silksong at the xbox showcase of 2022, so its definitely possible

[lone crown]

Game’s gone gold so its only a matter of time. Xbox would be perfect imo

[polar stag]

they'll literally give us 8 seconds of footage at the direct and add stuff to steam behind the scenes, but won't give us a trailer

Idk what their strategy is

[deep laurel]

I need to play erdtree just to talk more about theories

[versed jackal]

good to hear silksong has gone gold, I didnt even know

did team cherry announce that recently?

[normal token]

I mean I'd say backend steam changes is what you do before a trailer but aight

[median fractal]

That wasnt by TC...

[polar stag]

I think he's probably referring to the game files being uploaded to steam

[versed jackal]

ooooh

well im staying up till 3am for this damn xbox showcase so I hope silksong is there 😭

[normal token]

3 new depots on steam for silksong were created esentially

[median fractal]

it damn better be

[deep laurel]

I'm staying up till 7pm for this lol

[median fractal]

[viscid wind]

SILKNOW

[versed jackal]

SILKSONG TOMORROW

(HOPEFULLY)

[lone crown]

Well it wasnt announced however an entirely new build of the game has been uploaded as a depot to steam to replace the old 2019 version which is a major sign, they also updated the compatible OS list and added achievement languages, plus you cant argue its the beta as the beta testing version outright says 8 months ago

[umbral ether]

what does gone gold mean

[vagrant onyx]

u sleep daily before 7pm?

[versed jackal]

ahhhh

[lone crown]

Its a finished product

[umbral ether]

ok

[lone crown]

No testing none of that

[versed jackal]

development is fully done

[normal token]

That beta test update was meaningless, it was an automatic as the changenumber affected a lot of other stuff

[lone crown]

Ah good to know

[vagrant onyx]

source?

[viscid wind]

steamdb

[south vigil]

steamdb

[median fractal]

steam page updates pretty much

[mortal bluff]

Alright folks who could be up in arms about tomorrows lack of news. If you add together the completionist times for every 2d Metroid game you get a time of 66 hours. Hollowknight, one game has a full completion time of 64.5 hours that is 1.5 hours off of a 7 game series. Silksong will be larger than hollowknight. Team cherry will likely push past the runtime of fully completing every official 2d Metroid game, with one game on a completionist file. Cut em some slack.

[polar stag]

I gotta be honest I can't stand sgf because of all the yapping between trailers and announcements. SGF takes hours to finish. I'd rather a tight 30-40 minute showcase than sitting for 2 hours with 60% of it being ad reels and Geoff glazing Kojima

[versed jackal]

the livestream chat was hell too
people being mad annoying

[fossil sandal]

this day's the MOST hopeful

ultrakill players are winning (aka me) and we 90% are getting ss

[umbral ether]

fraud showcase

[south vigil]

i kinda thought this was gonna be an insane why silksong will be there tomorrow theory instead of tc is fucking amazing

[deep laurel]

if it's not the beta it's the.. Delta

[lone crown]

RUNE

[polar stag]

youtube chat is always the worst dude I fucking swear. "Woke this" and "Silksong that"

[south vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-deltarune-undertale-dance-dancing-gif-15611723144107927653

delta… rune???

[umbral ether]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-deltarune-trailer-deltarune-reveal-deltarune-chapter-3-deltarune-chapter-4-gif-14758536116127806490

[versed jackal]

like I want silksong too, but people were being such shits about it like 😭

[normal token]

Even if there is no silksong in xbox I severly doubt we have still have a long time to wait

[south vigil]

i can’t wait for deltarune chapter 5 im desperate to see the weird route

[umbral ether]

huh never noticed the wings and the diamond very intersting

[lone crown]

I just realized that animation in the back is from THE thing

[vagrant onyx]

i dont see anything on steamdb page other than 2days ago update changelog

[median fractal]

man I want to play deltarune but I need to see more of Undertale I have only ever done a single playthrough of it 😔

[umbral ether]

i just noticed too

[versed jackal]

I still havent played deltarune chap 3 and 4 yet I need to avoid spoilers

[south vigil]

WAIT THE DELTARUNE IS WAITING LITERALLY SHOWS THE ||TITAN|| WHAT

[umbral ether]

beacuse i litterly fought the thing like 20 mitunes ago

[normal token]

The depots are here https://steamdb.info/sub/342712/history/

[umbral ether]

yep (massive chapter 4 spoilers)

[south vigil]

didn’t realize that until you sent it and i looked closely

[vagrant onyx]

seen but it has nothing

[umbral ether]

same

[versed jackal]

annnd I just spoiled myself on accident
fuck sake

I clicked on the spoiler marked image without thinking somehow 😭

[south vigil]

rip
dw that’s just timmothy he’s your best friend mhm

[versed jackal]

LMFAO

[umbral ether]

don't worry the image is just a small part of the chapter

[polar stag]

||The titan looks so cool||

[umbral ether]

very angelic

[south vigil]

oh it’s 1 am holy shit

silksong today
also i should sleep

[normal token]

Go sleep bro

You need the energy for xbox

[umbral ether]

oh it is 1 am

[versed jackal]

9 more hours until xbox showcase 😭

[polar stag]

for me it's

[south vigil]

ok good night guys i wanna have a decent amount of sleep before the chaos of xbox showcase

[polar stag]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-eating-3am-sleep-up-for-food-gif-10318105

[umbral ether]

same i may still be asleep during it

[versed jackal]

im staying up to see the showcase live
I gotta stay awake to finish off an assignment anyways

[south vigil]

don’t watch xbox games showcaze at 3 am gone wrong

[normal token]

It's 10am and showcase is at 7pm for me

[bleak token]

when skilksong

[umbral ether]

hornet will come out of your screen and shaw you

[normal token]

Sometime this year

[polar stag]

showcase is noon for me

[umbral ether]

dih?

[versed jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-meryl-streep-cheer-gif-58022808314495647

[south vigil]

shaw

[umbral ether]

endino

[bleak token]

my silk senses are telling me that it must be tommorrow!

[feral palm]

7pm for me too

[polar stag]

I should not be up at 3am but I'm in too deep to fix my sleep schedule

[south vigil]

silksong today. it’s the final stretch. if we don’t get silksong today, that’s alright, because watching everyone crash the fuck out is going to be so funny anyway

[versed jackal]

she also says smth along the lines of "hikale!" in the 2022 xbox trailer

[mortal bluff]

Silksong will not be tomorrow. I promise

[versed jackal]

at the very start of it

[umbral ether]

yep she says dih https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gVMmYvuZc

[normal token]

I stayed up all night so I could go to sleep at a proper time today

[polar stag]

yeah because it's today

[bleak token]

who is voice actor

[south vigil]

peak strat

[feral palm]

It’s need to be today

[bronze obsidian]

I don’t think it’s today…

[umbral ether]

according to a youtube comment

[south vigil]

can confirm i’ve done this once or twice

[bleak token]

thank you very much

[south vigil]

ok actually sleeping now gnnnn

[normal token]

Makoto Koji

[umbral ether]

same

[bleak token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930931057849675832/1295874646205403170/togif-24.gif

[polar stag]

yk if Silksong really does come out in like august or september I can see the announcement being at gamescom in august

[bleak token]

how did u send picture

[umbral ether]

you have to not be new knight

[normal token]

You have the new knight role, images, gifs, links do not embed

It takes 24 hours for the role to be removed

[tender charm]

TODAYS THE DAY!

[bleak token]

thank you again

[polar stag]

I hope so badly we don't have to wait for Gamescom but if it's not at the xbox thing then...

[versed jackal]

I always hear "geh-doo" when she's holding back the hollow knight in that fight

[umbral ether]

anyways gotta sleep

[versed jackal]

it wouldnt be at gamescon
remember, silksong is going to be at the ACMI game museum showcase thing in september, and that event showcases already released games
silksong will release before or during september then

[polar stag]

isn't gamescom in August?

[versed jackal]

yes, late august
they wouldnt give us a release date in late august if the game releases before/during september

[hearty stream]

Xbox showcas save us 🥹

[polar stag]

Team Cherry has a tendency to announce things a couple weeks out from release

[versed jackal]

thats less than a month between release date -> release

[versed jackal]

oh?
hm

[idle scaffold]

They could since if we assume 2 weeks before launch them gamescom would allign perfectly with ACMI

[versed jackal]

shit that is a good point tbf

[idle scaffold]

BUT I don't think they would release a couple days before ACMI since that would literally take away from ACMI visitors as people who would go to see SS would stay home and play the full game

[versed jackal]

yeah true

[polar stag]

we could still get something at xbox if it releases in June like people are hoping

[hearty stream]

Its not a 'tendency' when theyve only released one game. It doesnt necessarily mean anything if it has happened only once

[polar stag]

hollow knight had dlc

[hearty stream]

Yes amazing cope im with u 🥹✌️

[versed jackal]

heres to hoping we at least get smth at the xbox showcase

[polar stag]

before voidheart packaged it all together

[versed jackal]

im also interested to see what silksong dlc will be like in the future after its release
if it gets dlc

[sinful flare]

is that ari gibson from team cherry

[idle scaffold]

A game and 4 DLCs/expansions. Their release tendency is 2 weeks to a month

[umbral ether]

wasn't the dlc cut content being readded

[hearty stream]

Well ofc they would announce dlcs only a bit before dropping them

[umbral ether]

that they ran out of time to add to the base game

[hearty stream]

Anyway good point, but still

[versed jackal]

there's someone on team cherry who also has the name ari??

[median fractal]

I dont think Silksong would have dlcs really but I would be happy to see them keep it updated a little

[idle scaffold]

Since TC has all the time in the world to work on SS unlike HK we will most likely not see SS DLC

[sinful flare]

have you never noticed 😭

[last ravine]

Good morning my SS friends
How are you doing?

[umbral ether]

\

[versed jackal]

no 😭

oh lmao

[median fractal]

If they wanted to make more, I think they'd resort to SS DLCs rather than a new game (duh)

[hearty stream]

I hope grimm troupe is in silksong too omg would be so peak

[umbral ether]

yeah one of the co directors

[polar stag]

still I don't think team cherry is the kind of dev to give us a release trailer like several months out from launch

[dim ore]

I imagine that they do not plan on a dlc rn but maybe they get new ideas before working on a new game

[idle scaffold]

Well updates will happen since I don't think TC would be able to iron out ALL the bugs and glitches.

[versed jackal]

tbh I dont tend to learn the names of individual developers in teams

[hearty stream]

Youre right

[median fractal]

well yes but I mean like "content" updates (even if minorish)

Though they could really just one day pop in here with a fullass new area

[hearty stream]

Guys mark my words silksong is coming july 18th

Just placing this brick now

[versed jackal]

if we assume team cherry wants to leave space between the game's release day and the ACMI museum, maybe its slated to release in early august??

[dim ore]

Silksong today

[hearty stream]

Perhaps.

[versed jackal]

or late july

[hearty stream]

Perchance or mayhaps even

[idle scaffold]

Even if it's slated for august still why not get the date out there now...

[versed jackal]

imagine if they just shadow dropped it 😭

[polar stag]

I always think "august that's so far away!" then I remember it's like 2 months

[versed jackal]

bcus team cherry is team cherry
i dunno

[south vigil]

June guys. believe

[versed jackal]

yall im not saying they would im saying imagine if they did

[neon adder]

Defo

[versed jackal]

the chaos that'd ensue

[tender charm]

100%

[median fractal]

dude why do I keep hearing SHADOW DROP
its not happening.

[polar stag]

august and september really aren't that far. summer will pass in a breeze and we will hopefully have the game by acmi

[idle scaffold]

That will be my issue if we don't get any news... If the game has seemingly gone gold and it releases in 2025 why not get the date out there... If they still think they might miss it why even give the year out to the public...

[dim ore]

Imagine they shadowdrop it + they create a new Steam Page, that is not "Hollow Knight: Silksong" but just "Silksong".
Nobody would get notified

[versed jackal]

I know its not happening

[neon adder]

True

[versed jackal]

im talking hypothetically

[idle scaffold]

It can't even be a shadowdrop. Shadowdrop would mean SS wasn't announced at all beforehand

At most it would be a suprise release

[versed jackal]

like geometry dash 2.2, team cherry just makes a social media post saying "check steam"

[polar stag]

Silksong: Hollow Knight 2

[median fractal]

the day we get Silksong: Zoteboat would be crazy

[versed jackal]

where's zote's game

thats where the real shit is at

[median fractal]

nah I need a quirrel game
zote sucks

[idle scaffold]

It would be funny if all our talk about Zoteboat actually inspires TC to make a zote prequel or smth XD

[neon adder]

Myla game when

[dim ore]

Skong: Hong 2

[idle scaffold]

Myla mining minigame in SS

[versed jackal]

TRUE A QUIRREL GAME WOULD GO HARD

[neon adder]

Skong Kong

[fervent raft]

Skonging Floor 3

[loud badge]

My wallet until silksong announcement

[idle scaffold]

Or this. Since quirrel is also sort of a protagonist character in HK like Hornet.

[polar stag]

do ya'll ever think Leth feels tired of doing PR for Team Cherry when he has nothing new to say? He's always as in the dark about these events as the rest of us. Even he didn't see the Direct announcement coming

[versed jackal]

Skonkey Kong

[neon adder]

Can’t wait for Skongkey Kong Country: Tropical Silk

[versed jackal]

😭

Skonkey Kong: Silkanza is gonna be such a great game

[polar stag]

I'm sure we'll get a big tell-all about Silksong's development and the silence through most of it, and they'll give us some kind of explanation but right now it feels just weird. I'm not mad at TC per se. Just kinda confused about what their reasons might be

[quartz cave]

Hello gays

[tame atlas]

Hello straight

[quartz cave]

never

[neon adder]

Hello word I probably couldn’t pronounce

[quartz cave]

Illegal now

[versed jackal]

my guess is they're leaning into the "surprise factor" of it to build hype, but its gotten to a point where we're ravenous for this game 😭

[quartz cave]

Chat weeks been midddddd we havent had a single server wide among us tournament why we falling off

[median fractal]

I think the issue was always just communication from the very beginning. if communication was actually real from the start then I think the community wouldnt be this crazy

[bronze obsidian]

I still don’t get why they put like a few seconds of footage in the Nintendo switch 2 presentation. It’s as if there’s no hype

[median fractal]

dude they literally put out a delay tweet and went on like 2 years of radio silence

[neon adder]

Whenever you said ravenous I immediately thought of a horde of Silksong fans storming some military bunker in an overwhelming tide of insatiable hunger for human flesh

[median fractal]

that is what is gonna happen at ACMI if no silksong beforehand

[polar stag]

that was also when the game was in a supposedly finished state. Like finished as in you could play the game through from it's beginning to its end

[median fractal]

yeah thats kinda crazy...

[neon adder]

Scope creep got ‘em

[median fractal]

well, as long as the final product is way better I got no complaints. Not like I have been part of this silksanity for long enough

[polar stag]

I think scope creep is definitely a big part but there's also probably other factors

covid namely

[neon adder]

You know, it always struck me as kind of odd that Hollow Knight of all games is getting a sequel

Not that I’m complaining it’s just that Hollow Knight didn’t really strike me as the sort of game to get a sequel

[leaden kernel]

call it guys silksong at xbox showcase or nah

[polar stag]

wait no actually the delay would've been post-covid

[median fractal]

I mean, it wasnt always going to be the case

[median fractal]

YESYESYESYESYESYESYES

[neon adder]

Ja

[versed jackal]

im gonna stay with my hopium and say yes

[glacial wyvern]

of course

[tough cape]

Y'all talking "maybe scope creep" when the game started as a Kickstarter goal, that was supposed to be the size of the other dlcs.

[leaden kernel]

W

[glacial wyvern]

if not, I’m gonna have to end another person

[polar stag]

I am cautiously hopeful about xbox

[leaden kernel]

💀

[versed jackal]

xbox have graced us with silksong once before
it can happen again

[tough cape]

I will forever believe there will be news, but not believe the game is real until I am actively playing it

[strange gulch]

how confident are yall that Silk will be at Xbox?

[versed jackal]

like a solid 50%

not really anymore than that

[leaden kernel]

fair

[neon adder]

Who’s left to sacrifice for Silksong
Ccmanci? I haven’t heard anyone talk about sacrificing Ccmanci yet

[median fractal]

I assumed it was supposed to be somewhat bigger.

[neon adder]

/

[rapid topaz]

who's hyped for pc gaming show

[glacial wyvern]

you

and the entire modded community

[polar stag]

Xbox gave us the game pass trailer, they have Silksong nailed down for day 1 on game pass. I'm assuming if any of the major platforms are in the loop on its release and development progress its xbox.

[versed jackal]

is silksong twice the length of HK or am I going bonkers?

I thought I heard that somewhere

[median fractal]

bonkers

[neon adder]

I wouldn’t die for my country but I would die for Silksong

[versed jackal]

yeah makes sense lol

[glacial wyvern]

no one knows yet

[median fractal]

but it is bigger definitely I am almost certain

[tender charm]

I heard that hk had like 50 benches and silksong has like 100

[neon adder]

200

[tender charm]

WHAT

[versed jackal]

godamn

[neon adder]

yea

[glacial wyvern]

I wouldn’t die for silksong unless I got to play it afterwards

[neon adder]

Silksong bench tierlist will go hard

[median fractal]

oh uhm

[rapid topaz]

A boss for each bench

[neon adder]

Oop
I may have bullshat

[median fractal]

Well the thing is, they mightve also put more benches around for bosses and such

[versed jackal]

still, 100 is big

[strange gulch]

where was this from?

[tender charm]

They might of needed more benches also because of the refill mechanic thats built with it

[neon adder]

100 benches is like, 49 more than 51

[median fractal]

well I think Silksong being bigger is like a given at this point\

[tough cape]

I think most likely we don't see Silksong until Gamescom, or even later. I doubt we're gonna get the reveal in any specific consoles showcase, because TC fully has the support of any third party showcase (or Geoff Keighley really)

[median fractal]

quick google search

[tender charm]

Though silksong is definitely gonna be bigger hopefully

[versed jackal]

considering how big a game hollow knight is and it only had 51
dang

[neon adder]

Doubter alarm

[glacial wyvern]

definitely and hopefully don’t go together

[neon adder]

To be fair it might just be increased bench density

[versed jackal]

I doubt a game's sequel would be smaller than the original

[versed jackal]

thats true

[neon adder]

Honestly I wouldn’t complain
I feel like HK’s a bit skimpy on the benches sometimes

I guess it incentivizes not dying but also I’d like to have good respawn points for some bosses

[polar stag]

I don't think this means anything. The reveal was at a nintendo event, and the 2nd trailer was a game pass trailer, the release year announcement was at the switch 2 direct. we have those playstation screenshots too. Platform exclusive events clearly aren't something TC worries about when making announcements

[rapid topaz]

benchmaxxing

[tough cape]

Nah I think they nailed it. Except for deepnest. That one's rough. Ngl.

[median fractal]

well again I think Silksong is definitely bigger, and let me go ahead and guess that its bigger by at least 2-3 areas worth of content (idk size). but it depends on how much bigger lol

[dim ore]

Soul Sanctum also has you running a marathon before entering the boss fight

[normal token]

The reveal was independent, not at a nintendo event

[neon adder]

Soul Sanctum is one of the biggest offenders

[tough cape]

But everyone knows that Xbox/Nintendo/PS get lower viewership than the broader 3rd party showcases like SGF or The Game Awards.

[midnight trout]

I would like to think it’s 200 enemies because of the time it’s been since then but who knows

[polar stag]

wasn't the reveal trailer at nintendo treehouse or was that just the demo?

[normal token]

The demo

[neon adder]

I think Mantis Lords was pretty bad too, and is made worse by Mantis Lords probably being the first boss (aside from maybe Hornet) that will kick your teeth in repeatedly

[dim ore]

When I was there the first time this was soo annoying. Probably because the enemies on the way to the boss are kinda strong

[rapid topaz]

Mantis Lords isn't always the first boss

[prisma saddle]

shit wrong server tf

[tough cape]

It's not that bad... Maybe just a bit too early in the game. Hollow Knight strikes a good balance where it's not DS1 with a bonfire spaced 3 years apart, but it's not ER with a site of grace conveniently placed right before any challenging area.

[median fractal]

Hornet was not that bad I dont know what people are on about 😭

[dim ore]

But Mantis Lords can be ignored

[median fractal]

First time hornet for me took like 20 minutes

[polar stag]

I still don't think it matters much because the majority of footage we have comes from platform specific events

[dim ore]

true ig

[median fractal]

and Hollow Knight was my first metroidvania I had no previous experience in the genre or anything

[neon adder]

She’s the first not-simple boss, she threw me for a loop when I first fought her. Took me like 10 attempts

[normal token]

I remember seeing something that was quite the opposite and the xbox showcase had more views than SGF

[median fractal]

ok but like how is hornet not simple

her attacks are not that bad to dodge

[dim ore]

I only played some very old castlevania game

[median fractal]

and it was before I discovered the magic of pogo'ing

[neon adder]

She’s not Gruzmother, or King Vengefly

They’re like super easy and telegraphed

[tough cape]

You could be right, idk the hard numbers. I just don't tune into any of the first party shows cus they're usually filled with 70% exclusives. Well except for Nintendo ig.

[median fractal]

hornet is well telegraphed... (imo at least)

[neon adder]

Not as telegraphed as those 2

[median fractal]

especially the sounds pretty much indicate [something happens]

[sick grail]

She’s well telegraphed but she def has more complex attacks than false knight or the flies

[rapid topaz]

Silksong but you fight hornet

[polar stag]

LIke they're all big events. They all get a lot of views and clicks. Also the trailers always drop on the other platforms' Youtube channels afterwards anyway

[neon adder]

That’s what I’m saying

[strange gulch]

how confident are yall that Silk will appear on Apr 2nd?

[neon adder]

Hollow Knight but you fight the Hollow Knight

[dim ore]

All bosses in Hollow Knight are well telegraphed imo
That is probably one of the reasons why it is as good as it is

[median fractal]

well I know this but its not that complex though

In fact I think False Knight is harder to dodge for the first time

[dim ore]

I am like 47% confident that it will appear today

[midnight trout]

Xbox showcase boutta be peak mark my words

[sick grail]

False knight is hard because he’s so big

[median fractal]

idk why people struggle so much on Hornet

[neon adder]

Silksong today

[median fractal]

sureeely

[sick grail]

But it does take longer to learn Hornet because she has more variety to her attacks

[rapid topaz]

[sick grail]

She does move faster than FK and likes to jump around

[dim ore]

It actually appeared yesterday. People just don't care anymore now that it is out

[kindred pewter]

mods, let me post something hilarious

[midnight trout]

I just restarted sekiro to see if I can get into it, am I cooked?

[tough cape]

Yep pretty much all besides the dreamers (extremely simple patterns regardless) and the two radiance fights are super well telegraphed. I guess you could lump in Nosk, Winged Nosk, Vengfly, and Gruzmother to the bad telegraphing area as well.

[kindred pewter]

new copypasta dropped guys

[tough cape]

No? Sekiro isnt that hard

[rapid topaz]

"tonight was the last straw"

[normal token]

Mfs closed their eyes during the switch 2 direct lmao

[neon adder]

Hehehehe

[dim ore]

I think you will get into it very quickly if you are patient for a day or 2

[midnight trout]

I’m doing much better than when I last tried to play it so that’s good

[sick grail]

Love these, a thousand guys thinking they have a unique thought despite the fact that I’ve seen these since I started playing HK back in ‘22

[wary storm]

fraud tomorrow

[midnight trout]

I’m actually trying to parry this time so it’s a step forward

[sick grail]

Especially love the final straw being some other guy making a joke as if anyone had control over that

[kindred pewter]

mfs be like "I hate you leth! I will no longer be interested in silksong" and hop in the next direct

[polar stag]

I understand the frustration with Geoff's joking. I think it was in poor tastes but this dude needs to go outside. Like bruh move on.

[midnight trout]

My friend said exactly this

[dim ore]

Lets go. Be prepared to bite into your Keyboard in the lategame

[strange gulch]

Will Mario Galaxy 3 be on the Xbox games showcase?

[neon adder]

Can confirm, I am Luigi

[tough cape]

It's just a rhythm game. There's like 4 (+2 repeat) bosses you need to actually move against. Everything else you can pretty much stand still and beat them lol.

[midnight trout]

Don’t even worry I’m using an old 360 controller

[sage wing]

Does anyone know how long the showcase will run for?

[wary storm]

on EVERYONE'S souls WE ALL get silksong NEWS in 12 hours

[midnight trout]

Fair

[neon adder]

2 minutes

[polar stag]

it's actually 8 hours now

[dim ore]

don't jinx it

[wary storm]

holy fuck its already 12 hours left i thought it will be more than 24 hours

[neon adder]

Hey don’t bring my soul into this

[normal token]

If I'm not mistaken it runs for an hour

[neon adder]

It’s 8 hours left nimrod

[wary storm]

yall have to feel the silksong spirit

[strange gulch]

I'll be up to 2am I guess

[dim ore]

I am Shrek from the new shrek game that will 100% come out. Can you do me a solid and skip th-

[midnight trout]

8

[sick grail]

Silk up

[wary storm]

solid snake

[sage wing]

59 mins of skipping silksong trailer 1 min of silksong trailer

[neon adder]

Worth it

[midnight trout]

Crowsworn gonna do a deadpool on silksong

[wary storm]

8 MENTIONED, to the first fold of the infinity

[pastel gazelle]

Cheese

[sick grail]

Can’t wait to watch mad skongers call every non-silksong game trash for another hour this weekend

[wary storm]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-no-silksong-news-nintendo-direct-kasuga-ichiban-gif-5656720085740977492

[rapid topaz]

that won't happen because ultrakill

[sage wing]

they exist in a superposition of trash and not trash depending on if there's ss news

[dim ore]

"Now we present you the game about bugs and platforming of a small indie developer from Australia."
shows some random new game named "bug n run" or smth

[neon adder]

Can’t wait to call every non-silksong game trash got another hour this weekend

[midnight trout]

https://tenor.com/view/silk-song-waiting-hope-dog-my-peabody-gif-15141683682113506156

[wary storm]

todayu

[neon adder]

I would play Bug ‘n Run

[midnight trout]

It’s tommorow 3am for me

[pastel gazelle]

I am hungry for a Double Triple Bossy Deluxe on a raft, 4x4 animal style, extra shingles with a shimmy and a squeeze, light axle grease; make it cry, burn it, and let it swim

[clever cloud]

My clown makeup is thoroughly donned

[sick grail]

I’m up rn at 5 am for some reason

[wary storm]

todayu looks like sybau tbh

[sinful flare]

Team Cherry, Leth — I hope you're paying attention.

Because tonight was the last straw.

We've waited YEARS, Silksong was announced in 2019. You promised it was coming "soon" in 2022. It's mid-2025. Not a word. Not a trailer. Not a single real update. And now, Geoff Keighley is literally using your game as a joke on stage in front of millions. And you let it happen by saying NOTHING.

Do you realize how humiliating this has become for your fans? We've defended you. We've trusted you. We've told people "they're just perfectionists, they'll drop it when it's ready." And now we're being laughed at by the entire gaming community — because you've turned Silksong into vaporwave and said NOTHING.

And don't give me the "small team" excuse anymore. You've had five+ years and the full support of millions of fans. We've carried the hype FOR you. And how do you repay that loyalty? By ghosting us. By letting the game become a meme. By staying silent while someone turns it into a cheap punchline live on stage.

If the game isn't at Xbox on Sunday, then I'm done. Fully done. I will never forgive how you handled this. You didn't just selay a game — you broke trust. You disrespected your community. You let it rot in silence while pretending nothing was wrong.

We deserved better than this. And if you can't see that, maybe you don't deserve the fans you've had all these years.

[dim ore]

I absorbed mine into my skin and it only respawns during job interviews

[sinful flare]

sorry i had to type it

[strange gulch]

yes, now dunk your face in ice saratoga water

[neon adder]

You want fish stumps with that

[sage wing]

spelling mistake detected

[sick grail]

Tch, don’t have any

[sick grail]

Thanks for this

[sinful flare]

true

[lapis oyster]

Today we shall celebrate a believer's feast, a doubter's famine

[strange gulch]

it could also be a doubter's feast and a believer's famine too

[pastel gazelle]

Bro i get it, your angry, we all are, just let them COOK

[neon adder]

It could not, no

[sage wing]

a doubters feast is a believers hope

[neon adder]

That was a copypasta

[sinful flare]

To krill thousands

Six billions of demons

[wary storm]

it would be a solid piece btw, i thought of it, like devs showing us some shitty 2d hollow knight copypaste, and then they'd say nah we're fucking w yall and reveal silksong

[polar stag]

All indie devs are trash unless they put like 6 years of hard work and talent into making an 80 hours metroidvania, roguelike, or platformer about mental health.

[wary storm]

tbh i really wanna buy gamepad before silksong, cuz i feel its gonna be much harder to play it this way

[sick grail]

I wish I had enough karma or whatever to post on r/silksong so I could just reply to it with thanks saying “your demeanor is that of a pouty child”

[kindred pewter]

silksong....today?

[neon adder]

That would actually be funny

[wary storm]

(animal well)

[dim ore]

don't get my hopes up

[pastel gazelle]

Rain world reference????

[sinful flare]

silksong yesterday

[neon adder]

SILKSONG…

TODAY!

[sage wing]

since when was animal well abt mental health?

[sick grail]

True

[wary storm]

animal well is cool

no mental health stuff, just cool and thats it

[sick grail]

I really need to finish rainworld but I actually die a bit inside when I die in game which makes it really hard

[polar stag]

I think he was referring to the metroidvania part of my statement.

[sinful flare]

all is well in the animal well

[pastel gazelle]

Karma 1- wrath
Karma 2- lust
Karma 3- companionship
Karma 4 - gluttony
Karma 5- self worth

[sonic elm]

The pigeons hatched today, must be a sign

[wary storm]

billions must play animal well

[sage wing]

ik, im being obtuse. (I love animal well)

[neon adder]

A… silksign?

[polar stag]

I meant celeste with the mental health part. Celeste is fucking awesome by the way

[sinful flare]

karma 5 is self preservation too i think

[surreal crown]

gonna be weird waiting for so long to play this game that it doesn't even feel real, to finally play it

[sage wing]

celeste is goated

[pastel gazelle]

Yeah, you know the lore

[wary storm]

if you havent played animal well yet you're sleeping on the tier 0 metroidvania

[median fractal]

Bro I cant wait for deadpool to appear today and give us PTSD

[dim ore]

I think the main problem that small or solo developers face is just the fact that they do not have the money to fund the project -> some have to work somewhere else and create the project for free

[midnight trout]

Awwwww, they are so cute

[median fractal]

I havent!

[pastel gazelle]

But isn't team cherry rich?

[sick grail]

Team cherry has actually been remaking Silksong from the ground up in Scratch that’s why it’s taken so long

[dim ore]

yes

[wary storm]

your I Ii II I_

[dim ore]

I am at a loss

[midnight trout]

I would too

[sage wing]

Play it, it's one of the best puzzle games you'll play

[wary storm]

i dont feel

[neon adder]

:.|:;

[pastel gazelle]

That moment when you are waiting for silksong news

[sonic elm]

They are so bald

[wary storm]

wait a sec

8th june

[median fractal]

Silksong reveal today and I play Animal Well start to finish

[neon adder]

Name one Drumsticks and the other Poobert

[wary storm]

Xbox showcase

[midnight trout]

Well they are still cool

[wary storm]

ughh im not getting cope reaction by a bot :(

[sick grail]

Waiting for legit gaming leaks’ April fools joke to come true

[neon adder]

You won’t have time, you’ll be too busy playing Silksong

[sage wing]

good luck getting the true true true ending

[median fractal]

ok chat do you wanna hear cope

[neon adder]

Always
Is that even a question

[lapis oyster]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, silksong fans

[sick grail]

HELLO TITANSOUL!

[surreal crown]

We probs getting a short release window. Not shadowdrop, but also not like a month away

[neon adder]

Wait, is another Titansoul dropping?

[sick grail]

Sometimes I stretch out a bit and make fluke noises

[neon adder]

Which one
Faesodd or Necrull

[sick grail]

No I just said that for fun

[median fractal]

That one hee haw william tweet that someone pointed out might be referring to a movie released June 15th, June 15th is in exactly a week from the Showcase 🔥

[sick grail]

This month we should get. Uh. I forgor

[neon adder]

I don’t know what level of conspiracy theorist this is but I’m all for it

[sick grail]

Mech islet

[neon adder]

Oh yea

[polar stag]

Yeah I made a comment along these lines earlier. A lot of people like to praise indie games/devs, but then they really only mean a very small portion of the best indie games and devs who put like everything into their work and are immensely talented. Indie is a very large net to cast and it's not fair to hold all of them to the standard of a very small fraction of the very dedicated and talented few.

[median fractal]

Yeah lol

[neon adder]

Can you imagine "Silksong: dropping in a week"

[sage wing]

Just imagined it, can confirm it was cool