sk-discussion

[glossy berry]

name of the godhome ending

[carmine island]

The vitamin gummies with negative amounts of vitamins

[glossy berry]

lmao
you eat it and it gives you a deficiency or

something else

[kindred pewter]

never had a vitamin gummy in my life, are they even good?

[heavy magnet]

they taste like regular gummy candy

[carmine island]

I don’t know

[glossy berry]

theyre a scam industry unless youre actually deficient in the vitamin you're taking

theyre just tougher chewy + flavoured gummy candy lnao

[severe hemlock]

Nah, the last scene was so good

None of the original endings had any closure

[carmine island]

Yeha that’s the point of an ambiguous ending

[glossy berry]

it doesnt matter given silksong isnt liable to actually reference hollow knight much at all, let alone its endings

[glossy berry]

yes thats the point
its ambiguous youre not supposed to get any

[severe hemlock]

Which is a shit ending

[glossy berry]

no??

[severe hemlock]

Yes

[carmine island]

Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s shit

[severe hemlock]

The animation is perfect, respects the knight

[glossy berry]

the knight doesnt get respect its insignificant in the scheme of the story

it doesnt need to garner respect its not like a chosen one

any vessel could have done what it did

[carmine island]

It’s a good animation but it’s not canon to the story

[dusk holly]

The longer this game is in development, I become more certain that the final boss is gonna be a silkmoth and there's gonna be another wyrm

[severe hemlock]

That isnt the point though, as players you get attached to the character you've been playing.

This is the ending that respects that fact

[carmine island]

The longer this game is in development, I become more certain that crack is the answer

[severe hemlock]

Which is something that is missing from all endings present in the game right now

[glossy berry]

there is not a single ending in which the knight does not die

the ambiguous tragedy is the point, feeling catharsis over your player character dying ad infinitum is fundamentally opposed to what the game tries to say

[carmine island]

I don’t think you’re getting this

[dusk holly]

Well I think the siblings sealed ending we can assume is not canon unless the game is a prequel

[glossy berry]

not true wheres the tag

[carmine island]

There’s reason to believe it is canon

?tag jokerpsa

[white sail]

No tag jokerpsa found.

[glossy berry]

?tag info jokerpsa

[white sail]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[carmine island]

Yeha this

[glossy berry]

anyway you do not get to deserve a happy ending for the character you play lol

sometimes people die and dont make it through and it impacts Nothing
vessels were made to be disposable, this one did its job

any respect hornet would give ghost comes from it successfully doing the thing its built for

[pure wave]

damn. cant wait

[warped prairie]

So soon? Fake

[carmine island]

In media not all endings end in happy and peaceful places but that doesn’t make the story bad or the ending “not perfect”

If every story ended with happily ever after that would get boring pretty quick

[warped prairie]

For example, Rain World :D

Very vague. Some sad endings

Very good game

But yeah… I will not spoil but… dies a lot

And sad happens

Just ‘cause it doesn’t ‘pay Respect’ to the knight does not mean its bad

I was blown away tbh. You never get a good ending

[lapis oyster]

Why did the silksong news stop, papa needs his juice

[warped prairie]

it always ends with sacrifice

[glossy berry]

yeah exactly

i dont think hk would have anywhere near the impact it did if the entire games ending was spelt out for you verbatim + was always happy

[warped prairie]

I thought verbatim said lesbian…

flower quest ending when

[glossy berry]

tc's one piece of lesbian track record is a dead couple lmao
they'll make the reputation back with lacenet its fine

[brittle garnet]

If there are romance options idk why anyone would choose lace over shakra

[brittle arch]

ass jim ?

[glossy berry]

shakra's cool tbf yeah

[floral delta]

Bad version of Cornifer

[warped prairie]

ass jim

[strange gulch]

will Hornet be in the next Smash Bros. game?

[floral delta]

Highly doubtful

[bleak jackal]

yes

so will the pale king

[strange gulch]

I think THK will get the Waluigi treatment

[kindred pewter]

so basically it's just re-skinned gummy bears

[carmine island]

For example, dead space max Payne no country for old men dark souls bloodborne red dead redemption that one movie about an insignificant band I can’t remember the name of but one of the members was constantly talking in his bathroom mirror like he was on a talk show about how successful the band is shadow of the colossus a lot of the silent hill games pulp fiction the hateful eight titanic I have no mouth and I must scream the giving tree and more

[warped prairie]

the saddest ending is when ass jim died 💔

[carmine island]

Real

[warped prairie]

then hornet said ‘its silkin’ time’ and killed the knight

[strange gulch]

"Bell Beast Jockey!" -Lace

[warped prairie]

Lace and steel…

[strange gulch]

"The Citadel!" -Hornet

[warped prairie]

i haven’t seen the minecraft movi

is it good

[floral delta]

It's bad good

[viscid wind]

sherma is probably super duper based

[strange gulch]

it's bad but they know its bad so it's honestly not that bad

[viscid wind]

It was terrible tbh

[warped prairie]

Expected

[kindred pewter]

it's not good at all, people just watch it unironically

[dusk holly]

Well if I remember correctly there's a line of dialogue how being inside the egg would somehow drain her so she would die

I will check ingame in 7 hours to fact check

[warped prairie]

how would she eat /silly

[dusk holly]

The path is opened. One way or another an end awaits inside.
I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join.
Don't be surprised. I'll not risk my own life in your attempt, though if the moment presents I'll aid as I'm able.

Forgot wiki exists

[warped prairie]

Aww

RIP hornet

[dusk holly]

Hornet will die inside the egg and the seal will break when she is already dead

Cuz she replaced the 3 dreamers seal

[warped prairie]

All the bindings are still there…

So uhh…

[dusk holly]

The dreamer faces on the egg are replaced by hornet

[warped prairie]

[viscid wind]

I believe it's implied that the kidnappers somehow broke the bindings

[dusk holly]

Well this would imply the other ending where we beat radiance isn't canon cuz there aren't any bindings to break left

[viscid wind]

She obviously was bested using some,,, magic shit

[strange gulch]

"its bindings would drain me if I were to join" are the bindings likt the chains you break before THK fight?

[dusk holly]

They laid a trap

[glossy berry]

the black egg is full of seals and bindings generally

all endings can be and are canon

[dusk holly]

Well I don't think so cuz otherwise she would say something like "break the chains and I'm free to kick his ass" not "I'm gonna wait for the last moment, for a perfect opportunity cuz I wont risk mt life"

[vivid bison]

Silk

[dusk holly]

I still think the black egg siblings isn't canon unless pharloom was waiting right outside while we fight

[glossy berry]

have you considered that the risking her life is by consequence of having to fight a violent Hollow Knight while drained

and not that the egg would kill her

[strange gulch]

I have a highly hypothetical theory. Hornet never said the black egg would outright kill her. She only said it would drain/weaken her. When she said "I'll not risk my life" my guess is that if she is weakened by the egg, she'll not be able to fight THK effectively unlike TK. So I think the egg is able to weaken Hornet but not outright kill, THK can surely do that tho (I might be wrong)

[glossy berry]

yes exactly thats what i was about to say lol

nowhere is it said that the black egg outright kills non-vessels

[formal karma]

Also- seal breaking bugs

[glossy berry]

just that maybe tossing someone vastly weakened by bindings into a room with a violent and deeply infected Hollow Knight is a death sentence

[dusk holly]

Well she is gonna be still trapped inside the egg and she just got thrown off by hollow knight while the seals are draining her

[formal karma]

Seal. Breaking. Bugs.

[lament igloo]

Another confirmation

[formal karma]

Confirmation of... Constance?

[glossy berry]

retweeted by leth

[strange gulch]

5 minute video from Primaslop incoming

[glossy berry]

its another nothingburger but still

[strange gulch]

Constance is really fun tho, excited for that too

[coarse leaf]

What are we confirming

[formal karma]

Absolutely nothing

[lament igloo]

Well leth reposted this too

[formal karma]

Nothing to do with anything

[glossy berry]

literally nothing lmao
i assume its being interpreted as "silksong is soon because leth retweeted smth"

[coarse leaf]

Thats nice but what are we confirming

[glossy berry]

thats not related but cool lmao
leth isnt employed at team cherry hes an external contracted marketing lead

[coarse leaf]

Its an indie game taking Inspiration from TCs games, its retweeted to show.. support? What does this confirm lmao

[formal karma]

Leth retweets games because he's passionate about Randoms being able to make their dreams into reality

Kinda like him...

[lament igloo]

As you said its a little bit something atleast

[glossy berry]

constance is gorgeous at any rate though im so excited

[formal karma]

But it sint

Leth doing something doesn't mean anything for silksong. So it's not anything

[glossy berry]

when did i say this huh
its just that i can see why people would immediately assume lmao

the guy doesnt work at team cherry exclusively he regularly reposts upcoming games and stuff

[coarse leaf]

I dont think you even need the leth angle here, TC could retweet this and it would still be the same thing

[formal karma]

Tc tweeting for the first time would be a little something

[glossy berry]

i mean true lmao
i just think the silksong name drop is entirely coincidental

and emphasising that this isnt inherently linked to tc

[formal karma]

It's not even a coincidence- it's information that it inspired Constance. It's the point of the post

[strange gulch]

at least it confirms still that either Leth is interested in Constance and that Constance is still being worked on. But it doesn't have anything to do with Silksong, they just said they got inspo from Silksong

[formal karma]

Day 124 of posting cardinals until silksong releases. In this double feature you can almost see me playing Schedule 1

[strange gulch]

wait. Does this mean they played Silksong before? (probably not)

[glossy berry]

no reason to believe they have no

[lament igloo]

Isnt this what you meant ?

[carmine island]

Constance is such a pretty name

[glossy berry]

agreed
idk if youve played the demo and all but it's such a pretty game too

[formal karma]

I just think of badgers when o hear Constance

[strange gulch]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2313700/Constance/ if you wanna try

Steam

Constance

Become PaintUtilize paint based mechanics to experience a constant state of flow - dive into the ground and walls, slice through the air and enemies!Wield Your BrushBecome stronger by unlocking new techniques with your brush that aid you in defeating threatening foes, overcoming platform challenges, solving complex puzzles and advancing your pro…

Release Date

Q4 2025

▶ Play video

[carmine island]

Woah paint

My favourite food…

[fresh zodiac]

so many games simply were created because people got tired of waiting for this game

[formal karma]

Guessing they got created because people can do.more than wait

[carmine island]

No

People only create things to distract themselves from Silksong

[formal karma]

Data point of one- nope

[brittle arch]

why should i do more when i can just stay in my room waiting for silksong 24/7

[formal karma]

Making my tyranids just to.improve myself :p

[carmine island]

Self improvement isn’t real

It’s just a way to distract ourselves from waiting

[formal karma]

Slop

[carmine island]

You know I’m really fond of Christian imagery

[formal karma]

Like... the hamburglar

Thw Judas of McHappyland

(This is a Brooklyn 99 joke)

[carmine island]

They should crucify that guy

[carmine island]

I understood

[formal karma]

53 days until the 1st SGF with a decent chance of Silksong.........

[normal token]

55 days incase operation SGF is a failure

[formal karma]

To be fair i think we get release from TC but hey

[carmine island]

Only 50 days, 17 hours and 48 minutes until deltarune tomorrow

[normal token]

I think if they have the opportunity they might aswell take it

[formal karma]

Yea but if it's ready in the middle of may they're not waiting

[dusk holly]

In silksong im gonna have an extra look at all the statues to find the one that is the final boss

In hollow knight I just ran past them

[quiet token]

https://tenor.com/view/inspecting-jackdaw-robert-e-fuller-what-am-i-looking-at-what's-this-gif-15101549458518275367

What's up chat

[carmine island]

Pen v I’m fuckinh losy ti

[formal karma]

Not much

[zealous warren]

I had a dream in which you could play Silksong as either Hornet or the Knight from the first game

but the Knight was a girl

Im cooked

[formal karma]

Getting pretty excited to mini paint or play Schedule 1 but that's about it

[strange gulch]

I once dream about exploring greenpath before tho

[zealous warren]

Hollow Knight copied the lush caves from Minecraft ong

[viscid wind]

holy shit super mario is dropping this year?????/

[bleak jackal]

any new ss news since i've been gone

[normal token]

How long were you gone for

[zealous warren]

Also if any mod reads this: Why is that “spit on ma thing” word banned

[glossy berry]

oh no way, dark souls one this year!!! i cant wait

[bleak jackal]

2 hrs

[normal token]

Then no

[strange gulch]

Nothing much, just TC tweeting that the release date will be 10th April

[glossy berry]

literally why would there be news in 2 hours 😔

youd get a message in #hk-announcements anyway

[normal token]

Silksong being at ACMI isn't on there tho smh

[formal karma]

They're trolling

[carmine island]

They’re not looking for actual news they’re looking for Silksong cope

[bleak jackal]

yes

[formal karma]

That's because it hasn't been confirmed

Not that I'm aware of

[glossy berry]

oh ok cool what information can i make up uh

[viscid wind]

consider that it's not news........................

[glossy berry]

consulted an ancient mystic and the fates foretold that silksong's release date is going to drop june 6th 2025

[carmine island]

Sick

[normal token]

Silksong by name appears in the acmi trailer and their site mentioned "anticipated australia game releasing in 2025"
Only thing is we're not aware what's gonna be in it

[viscid wind]

me astral tunneling to geoff's subconsciousness looking for silksong but i only find the new fortnite season 💔

[carmine island]

Who the hell is Geoff???

[viscid wind]

Geoff Keighley, the host of Summer Game Fest, the event that happens on June 6th

[carmine island]

Oh sick

God that lastname reads like I can’t read

[glossy berry]

also founder of the game awards

[formal karma]

A couple frames and lots of Australian games. Jebaited by goose game much

[viscid wind]

HES 46???

[carmine island]

It’s ok goose game is good

I will forgive goose game

[bleak jackal]

only two days away from silksong

[viscid wind]

alternatively, 2 decades

[bleak jackal]

no 2025

[normal token]

I'll print my words and eat em if it is that

[viscid wind]

2 directs away then

[carmine island]

Technically right

[strange gulch]

2 decillion years

[formal karma]

I'd love a 3rd goose game to trick everyone but yea just kind of assuming it's out before summer is done

[void bluff]

papanara

[primal horizon]

GOOSE GAME. YES.

God I love untitled goose game

It has so much charm

And also fun af

[last shale]

Untitled Goose Game is really good

Better than Hollow Knight

Not as good as Dark Souls 2 though

[strange gulch]

compared to Cory in the House for the Nintendo DS?

[last shale]

Gonna have to get back to you on that one

[humble echo]

What kind of gameplay does cory in the house ds have??

[dry basin]

you say

i am cory in the house, then proceed to corey break the house and win the game

(i dont know what corey in the house is about)

[humble echo]

Man just like morbius

[brittle arch]

Cory in the House is one of the best games I've ever played. Period. The world and character building are unmatched, as well as the intricate and well written character interactions. Cory's take on the hero's journey is one of the most masterful portrayals of this type of storytelling in any type of media. I've bought this game for myself, my wife, and my children. Cory has forced his way into my life for the better. Cory has really become part of my house, and is therefore truly in the house. Not to mention, if you ever crave more the amazing anime serves only to improve the lore further. Don't be a busta' and look to pick this game up!

[surreal remnant]

HK for the wii U when?

[zinc ginkgo]

NO NEWS!

[quasi epoch]

silksong tommorow, believe the cake

[lament lotus]

https://imgur.com/CHWX6eg

tiramisu

[nimble raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-16075047530947414312

[quasi epoch]

your not the cake, dont believe him!!!!

[zinc ginkgo]

I feel like... I am starting to doubt...

[quasi epoch]

Dont doubt silksong coming out this year

we should crash steam

1 silkillion silksong pre orders

[lament lotus]

i mean

[calm thorn]

With all the news we got recently ? Why

[cerulean sable]

horjnet will injeck herself eith lifeblood to shoot lightning out of her hands

[mellow sinew]

she ether does drugs or become miles morales thats crazy

[quasi oak]

Id say they are even but ss is gonna be better

[rocky flicker]

whats the deal with rain world

[lament lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/unjeonly-blinking-silence-gif-22291962

[mellow sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanyewest-yeezy-meme-gif-22503154

[dusk holly]

If Silksong doesn't have the equivalent of a mark of pride

Ill be mad

[primal horizon]

complex nature

unfortunately you can’t talk about it too much without spoiling it

[exotic geyser]

rain world gives you the experience of climbing a mountain of difficulty and then the cathartic relief of not needing to face it anymore

[primal horizon]

Y’know that’s actually pretty real

[last shale]

Yeah

5/10 better than Hollow Knight

[quasi oak]

Id say a 7

[opaque sigil]

rw is less the difficulty of climbing a mountain and more the difficulty of walking through a hallway filled with invisible booby traps that will kill you instantly with zero warning if you don't already know they're there because you played it before

[worthy crypt]

silksong july 27th

trust

[exotic geyser]

i definitely see where you're coming from but it's definitely not something that comes with zero warning

it's about learning to see the hints and adapting your playstyle to pay more attention to your surroundings

but there's definitely a healthy dose of bullshit that comes with it

[cerulean sable]

imo, they shouldnt nail boosting tools like MoP, Ubr Str or QS

they should tie those properties to the crest attacks themselvrs

shouldnt add

[opaque sigil]

maybe you've just gotten incredibly lucky and never had longlegs camping pipes but I have and there's nothing you can do about it

[exotic geyser]

oh yeah i have had that

[cerulean sable]

like each crests will have its own attack speed/range/damage scaling

[lament lotus]

you cant even juke longlegs 💔

[cerulean sable]

avoid the QS MoP meta

[brittle garnet]

Yeah i think this is the reason they created crests in the first place

[opaque sigil]

mop was never meta but for qs yeah

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

hopefully the dps on all the crests is at least very close

[brittle garnet]

That depends i guess

Reach is kind of an emergent dps increase

[cerulean sable]

also even quick attacks with low damage will make it up for soul/silk generation

since its 1 notch per hit

[opaque sigil]

reach doesn't really add that much dps in a game with that movement

[brittle garnet]

Assuming you never miss an attack

[exotic geyser]

just dont miss

[lament lotus]

longnail...

[brittle garnet]

Im gonna be using that claw crest all the way

Hope its not endgame or something

[glossy berry]

i do sincerely hope theyre more sidegrades than actual upgrades yeah

would really suck if theres an actual progression system like that

[opaque sigil]

if a crest uses reach to make up for poor damage it's instantly getting shoved to the bottom of the list the moment you're good at the game

[brittle garnet]

I dont think any crest will decrease damage

But one might increase it

[opaque sigil]

that would suck

[exotic geyser]

what about the opposite, like a slow hitting high damage attack

[opaque sigil]

and also it doesn't matter if any are a flat decrease it only matters if any are lower relative to others

[brittle garnet]

I think the claw crest is that

[opaque sigil]

that would be fine, it's dps that's most important

[exotic geyser]

right

[glossy berry]

as long as the dps is similar i dont care

i think its less interesting for combat fluidity reasons but thats a subjectivity issue

not an innate flaw in a crest

[brittle garnet]

One will probably have the highest dps, i doubt its possible to make them truly equal, but also its probably not too much and its nit that big of a deal

[exotic geyser]

i would probably most enjoy flipping between different crests to see what helps me personally more (even though they're all equally viable i suppose)

[brittle garnet]

Like you dont pick a weapon in monster hunter because its the highest dps

[opaque sigil]

not really the same

crests modify your moveset way the fuck less

[brittle garnet]

I think its comparable enough

[opaque sigil]

no it really isn't

[brittle garnet]

Dps is also pretty hard to really get a grasp of by just playing the game

[opaque sigil]

compared to weapons in monster hunter crests may as well be cosmetic lmao

[brittle garnet]

Yeah thats fair but i think the analogy stands

Theyre meant to be a playstyle thing

[glossy berry]

the degree at which they modify hornets kit is fractional in comparison to monster hunter weapons is the point

theyre a playstyle variation but the standard fundamentals remain regardless

[cerulean sable]

ye its like mon hun

sure some weps are better for clear times but youll have to tear the lance off my cold, dead, guard up, guard+5 fucking hands

[brittle garnet]

Like oh no this crest is like 10% higher dps if you play perfectly, who cares

[opaque sigil]

it's not like monhun

[cerulean sable]

i mean it as a design playstle option thing

i am 200 mrssages late

[opaque sigil]

the degree of difference between playstyles makes it easier to justify using suboptimal ones because they're more fun, when it's like crests and the difference is comparably marginal, who cares they're mostly gonna play about the same so you are just gonna pick the stronger one

[brittle garnet]

Like genuinely if you bother to look up which crest has highest dps im sorry but you failed the game

[brittle garnet]

I dont think their differences can just be dismissed tho

[opaque sigil]

bruh

ok so you think charms aren't an imbalanced system because you might not know how lopsided it is if you don't bother looking anything up

this is just... not really a counterargument whatsoever

[brittle garnet]

I think the first playthrough is the only one that matters

In a game like this

[opaque sigil]

the fact that you use outside resources to learn what a meta is doesn't mean a meta that's too robust isn't an issue

[leaden glen]

When silksong

[glossy berry]

2025

[leaden glen]

LIEEES

[glossy berry]

no other info available

[brittle garnet]

The problem with charms os the degree to which one setup is way better than the rest

[opaque sigil]

'but you don't know how strong they are unless you look it up'

[brittle garnet]

With crests you cant just stack all the upsides on your nail, you have to pick

I think strength/qs is strong enough that you will find it out through testing very easily

Just by trying it out once

If one crest is like marginally higher dps, i dont think thats an issue

[opaque sigil]

your example was 10% that's very noticeable

[harsh vector]

how do you know that are you ari gibson?

william perhaps?

[brittle garnet]

I dont think 10% is noticeable when you cant see numbers

Like i just dont think this is the type of game where even trying to find the optimal damage really matters

[opaque sigil]

it is, especially if you're testing damages

[brittle garnet]

If youre testing damage in order to find the highest dps then go ahead? One will have the highest dps, guaranteed

[opaque sigil]

the double standard is crazy

[brittle garnet]

A lot of people just wouldnt care

What double standard?

[opaque sigil]

so it's not a problem for crests but for charms since you can test it and tell one's overly powerful there it's an issue

also they absolutely can balance crest damage to have equal dps

[brittle garnet]

I think it can approach to be equal, but like, a lot of things go into dps

Fighting isnt just gonna consist of spamming basic swing on a stationary target

[opaque sigil]

correct

but that is the only spammy move

[glossy berry]

what are yall even arguing at this point the entire basis is so strange

it is very much possible to average out dps regardless of unique traits

[opaque sigil]

it is yes

[lament lotus]

fr 😭

mods remove this shitty slowmode

[brittle garnet]

Im just saying that not everyone is the type of player who wants to find the most effective strategy, and its impossible to balance the game perfectly, so those people will still find their most effective strategy

[glossy berry]

i really do not think its impossible no

and yeah metas will exist regardless, some tools and skills and stuff will synergise better with specific crests than others

[brittle garnet]

Its just that since basic attacks arent tied to the tools you equip, there is still more variety in builds than with charms, even if one crest does turn out to have higher dps than the others

[opaque sigil]

that.... doesn't make it not a problem

[brittle garnet]

And we dont know all the caveats of crests

[harsh vector]

im confused about whos making what point i cant lie

[brittle garnet]

Whether its a problem depends on what type of player you are. If you care about speedrun times and efficiency, a marginal dps increase matters to you. If you just want to find the setup that is most comfortable for you, it probably doesnt.

[heady iron]

Games are all about minmaxing

Higher numbers trump enjoyment

[opaque sigil]

you do understand that problems have varying scales right

not all issues are equally grave

literally any design flaw some players won't really care that much about

[harsh vector]

its probably good for some crests to have higher dps

[opaque sigil]

no, it's not

[harsh vector]

for one, sense of progression

[glossy berry]

literally how

[harsh vector]

and then risk reward

[glossy berry]

they aren't supposed to be upgrades to each other

[harsh vector]

if a crest has a higher range it should probably do less damage

[surreal remnant]

variable DPS can make sense with other factors

like high DPS high risk builds vs low dps low risk builds

[opaque sigil]

none of the crests have nearly enough range for that to be a sensible variable

[surreal remnant]

Range isn’t the only thing that dictates risk

[harsh vector]

literally the game isnt out yet

[surreal remnant]

duration of the strike is relevant as well

[brittle garnet]

I feel like the speed, direction and movement of the pogo and sprint attack do have a pretty tangible effect on how a crest plays.

[surreal remnant]

if it takes a bit longer to land a hit, it carries increased risk

[opaque sigil]

the slower ones will have bigger range

[harsh vector]

so wise

[strange gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-steve-jack-black-minecraft-movie-jump-elytra-gif-12591930085060906840

[surreal remnant]

Oh that makes sense

[native dawn]

wrong chat

[opaque sigil]

in a game like ss a tiny range, slow, strong attack has no capacity to be appealing because it's not going to look strong

[harsh vector]

consider what if it's fast

[brittle garnet]

Well the crest that has lower range has higher speed instead so yeah that seems to be the tradeoff

[opaque sigil]

then it's terrible

[harsh vector]

?

[surreal remnant]

no health bar so hard to convey changes in damage output

[opaque sigil]

a fast high damage attack means you have qs/strength built in nobody will use anything else

that's like the worst possible scenario

[coral crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/986259893726089226/check_the_pins.gif

[harsh vector]

but what if it's super low range (higher risk)

[glossy berry]

negligible if im honest

[harsh vector]

and also who said anything about high damage

actually no scratch that i did

[glossy berry]

built in qs/strength is literally the worst case scenario im ngl the last thing we need is for silksong to have an equally immutable meta lmao

[harsh vector]

lets not talk as if we have played with any of these

[surreal remnant]

please TC please add a proper parry system

[brittle garnet]

I mean yeah i do think all crests will have tradeoffs of some kind even if relatively minor

[subtle lynx]

Please TC don't

[surreal remnant]

i wanna parry and punish bosses

[opaque sigil]

proper parry system would actually suck it would be so bad

[brittle garnet]

Monkeys paw curls, the parry is the same as hk but now youre required to use it in combat

[strange gulch]

parry + talisman is so satisfying in 9 sols

[surreal remnant]

I SAID PROPER

YOU DUMB MONKEY

[worthy crypt]

leaked silksong footage

[surreal remnant]

this is why i prefer apes

at least they listen to me properly

[brittle garnet]

Eh i think the one spell being a parry is good enough

[opaque sigil]

"Yeah let's take the agile character and make an effective defensive option to stand in place and wait"

[harsh vector]

not to get all taxonomy but apes could be considered monkeys

[opaque sigil]

spell is fine it costs resources you can't spam it you don't need it etc

[subtle lynx]

👆

[surreal remnant]

i want a tank build

let me have 700 health and super low damage so i sit there and slowly degrade their health

who cares about the spirit of the game

[worthy crypt]

this is untrue

[surreal remnant]

I will not hear you out

since you didn’t hear me out

[subtle lynx]

Apes are simians, not monkeys

Monkeys are smaller and have tails

[harsh vector]

not all monkeys have tails and morphologic classification systems are outdated

there are monkeys who are more closely related to apes than other monkeys

[surreal remnant]

i will revive neanderthalensis if you don’t shush

[subtle lynx]

Well, you answered yourself

[harsh vector]

that is quite literally a reason they should be considered monkeys

[subtle lynx]

Exceptions don't make the rule

[harsh vector]

PARAPHYLETIC GROUPS ARE LITERALLY JUST MAKING EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE WE DONT LIKE CHANGING THINGS

[surreal remnant]

WOMP WOMP

[subtle flint]

iroh send help

[surreal remnant]

they’re on their way

[subtle flint]

i might have turned into a believer...

[harsh vector]

we dont call dolphins fish just because they have fins and live in the ocean

its the same concept here, just a bit blurrier because apes and monkeys are already similar

[brittle arch]

monke

[brittle arch]

i do call them fish

[subtle lynx]

Idk why are you still talking when you showed an image disproving yourself lol

[rare belfry]

I was a girl in the village doing all right

then i became a princess overnight

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dancing-gif-24007289

[brittle arch]

in my country we put "fish" before every fish name, dolphin is like "fish dolphin"

[subtle lynx]

We are not talking about hypothetical

[subtle lynx]

Your country is wrong

[rare belfry]

sybau

[brittle arch]

ok nerdo

[subtle lynx]

🤓 ☝️

[brittle arch]

go eat papers or sth

[strange gulch]

same here too

[formal marsh]

my country has the same word for ape and monkey

[harsh vector]

based country

[formal marsh]

and also for crow and raven

[subtle flint]

lune sounds like something a norwegian would name themselves on discord

[lament lotus]

what

[subtle flint]

unless its their actual name

[cold maple]

i want a pet lemur, how do i get one?

[subtle lynx]

Which language?

[lament lotus]

i dont think theyre demostic

[harsh vector]

it is all hypothetical though, human classification isn't real and it changes overtime. Creating monophyletic groups is a more useful way of grouping organisms because it more accurately shows relatedness, and science is pivoting towards that

there are people who'd consider birds to be reptiles

[formal marsh]

portuguese gleep gloop gorb geep

[subtle lynx]

Raven is pega
Cuervo Is corvo

[formal marsh]

what

[dusk holly]

Raven is a bird

[brittle arch]

someone said dolphin is not fish

[marsh ibex]

are you portuguese

[harsh vector]

you can create a monophyletic group for monkeys but you either have to include apes or exclude old world monkeys

[subtle lynx]

No, I just looked it up

[brittle arch]

maybe tell the dolphin to walk on land for me

[subtle flint]

💀

[shell salmon]

Silk silk silk ... Silk song song

[marsh ibex]

😐

[formal marsh]

so true bestie

[dusk holly]

Its not

Its a mammal

[opaque sigil]

most of the time when you're talking about animals you aren't talking about taxonomy and so having natural language map onto monophyletic groups is actually completely pointless there's no reason to do that

[subtle lynx]

Pega rabuda specifically

[brittle arch]

do they have nipples

[dusk holly]

Idk

[subtle lynx]

It is real and while it changes, rn monkeys are simply not apes no matter what you believe to be more useful or not

[dusk holly]

You arent a mammal cuz you got nipples and you aren't a fish cuz you can swim

[inland ravine]

bro...

i just check the chat...

[rocky flicker]

whats your opinion on dolphin nipples

[inland ravine]

n-no...

[rocky flicker]

do microwaves have nipples

[inland ravine]

stop it 😭

ends the nipples discussions

[devout halo]

Yes they do

[deep laurel]

sure been a while since any Silksong news

[rocky flicker]

microwaves are mammals you heard it here first folks

[inland ravine]

yes

...

[rocky flicker]

its been like a week

[inland ravine]

guys...

can you stop...

[dusk holly]

Are dolls a mammal if they got nipples

[devout halo]

Fascinating I know

[inland ravine]

AWWW

[harsh vector]

human classification is not a real thing that exists outside of our minds, if we die so does all our classifications of organisms

[worn tinsel]

I wonder if Pharloom will be a more scientific civilization than Hallownest

[formal marsh]

you need to be more assertive (read: mean) as a mod @inland ravine

[rocky flicker]

inshallah he has levitated

[devout halo]

Who be making dolls with nipples I've never seen that

[inland ravine]

fine, you ask for it

[formal marsh]

YELL AT PEOPLE!

[rocky flicker]

no I like this guy hes

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't matter if it exists outside of our minds

[rocky flicker]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[subtle lynx]

Cool? But we are talking about whether apes are monkeys... A human classification...

[somber crescent]

Does anyone know when in 2025 is the release date

[formal marsh]

noone dows

[somber crescent]

6th?

[subtle lynx]

The 20th

[devout halo]

Hey Walter White, and no

[rocky flicker]

by that logic nothing we do or think ever matters because we could all die and nothing would matter

[subtle lynx]

No

[rare belfry]

guys in silksong its confirmed that she dies

[somber crescent]

I’m not the one who knocks

[rare belfry]

the hornet dies guys

[formal marsh]

this is the second thing you make up@subtle lynx

[harsh vector]

i do agree with this, this argument stemmed from a disagreement over a little fun fact i was tryna do

[devout halo]

Depends on how you define "matters"

[somber crescent]

Ight

[formal marsh]

that is not true

[subtle lynx]

What was the first one

[devout halo]

Aw :(

[worn tinsel]

woah i played hollow knight in 2021 and silksong was already old news by that point. its been so long huh

[bleak jackal]

any new silksong news?

[tiny pine]

What the fuck

[rocky flicker]

bro doesnt know about living in the moment 😭 he doesnt know about the journey mattering more than the destination 😭

[inland ravine]

yep...

[somber crescent]

It isn’t June 6th?

[subtle lynx]

No

[devout halo]

We don't actually know a release date

[formal marsh]

we don't know the release date
only that its this year

[devout halo]

There are just different speculations

[somber crescent]

Where did you get 20th

[devout halo]

Yuh

[marsh ibex]

@subtle lynx don’t spread misinformation

[subtle lynx]

I made that up

[glossy berry]

we have zero confirmed release date people are just making things up now

[bleak jackal]

i'd probably miss the wait, wish there would be more riddles like seth and stuff

[marsh ibex]

do it again you get warned.

[rocky flicker]

we know (like above 90%) this year, we hope before september because theres an event on

[subtle lynx]

No fun allowed

[rocky flicker]

im not even talking about silksong Im talking about everything

[somber crescent]

So it isn’t real, than it why’d u say it

[marsh ibex]

We have a window, we do not have a date

[lament lotus]

terrifying man

[harsh vector]

no, the things we do do matter to us, however science isn't about us and so we should try separate our biases from it, monophyletic groups is a more empirical system of classification and makes more sense to use

[formal marsh]

your definition of fun being lying to people is wild

[marsh ibex]

I’m not in the mood for this stuff today

[rocky flicker]

I thought he said do it again, you have been warned

[strange gulch]

no, but today

[rocky flicker]

timbers shivered, understood

[lament lotus]

me when i need a window and a date

[subtle lynx]

I was just about to type that lmao

[smoky nebula]

Guys team cherry told me silksong will release the day after the day before silksong releases

[lament lotus]

understandably

[somber crescent]

Spreading misinformation isn’t fun dude. I expected better from a fellow pvz fan

[rocky flicker]

me when the mod tells me to do anything at all

[formal marsh]

Life or death for Hashbrown?

[subtle lynx]

💀

[rocky flicker]

bite in half see if he survives

[lament lotus]

DEATH!!

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[bleak jackal]

bath

[formal marsh]

You all are heartless.

[lament lotus]

is hashbrown crunchy

[rocky flicker]

not my fault he was born with a crunchy crisp exterior and a delicious mushy interior

[dusk holly]

Peak

[formal marsh]

I DONT KNOW

[rocky flicker]

the outside is

[harsh vector]

a scientific classification, which we want to be useful, and it would be better to change our classifcation to be more useful and better reflect what we actually see in the world

[rocky flicker]

so u dont think the classification is useful?

[harsh vector]

by considering apes monkeys

[somber crescent]

I mean that guy gave you a warning so idk what the skull emoji is supposed to mean in this scenario

[subtle lynx]

Dude stop it that was not the point of the debate that ended years ago

[opaque sigil]

this entire conversation is kind of stupid anyways because in natural language monkey is absolutely used for ape

[bleak jackal]

first one to answer newtons third law gets all my money

[rocky flicker]

mmmm monkey

[dusk holly]

We should go by monkey classification

[subtle lynx]

"I expected better from a fellow pvz fan" as we were comrades or some shit

[rocky flicker]

are we descended from apes or monkeys

[harsh vector]

from apes

[rocky flicker]

fuck those are the lamer ones

[harsh vector]

and monkeys

[worn tinsel]

truly silksong discussion

[rocky flicker]

how about Im descended from monkey rest of you descended from ape

[harsh vector]

and further back synapsids

[somber crescent]

I was being dramatic and joking? And I noticed the citron pfp so I just said smth

[harsh vector]

and further back eukaryotes

[subtle lynx]

I was also joking hence the skull emoji that seemingly offended you

[rocky flicker]

I havent done bio since year 10 idk what these words mean

[dusk holly]

Is snail a bug

[smoky nebula]

No I'm prokaryotic

[formal marsh]

we're not descended from them
we and them descend from a common ancestor

[opaque sigil]

We are apes, we share a very recent ancester with other apes and a more distant ancestor with monkeys

[smoky nebula]

No

[subtle lynx]

No

[rocky flicker]

mollusk

[dusk holly]

What is mollusk

[bleak jackal]

rolly polly

[rocky flicker]

if we descended from monkeys how come they still monkeys
checkmate science

[rocky flicker]

I love roly polys so much

[fresh zodiac]

death

[harsh vector]

its useful in casual conversation, in science it confusing things because we arbitrarily decide that some things are monkeys and some things aren't despite sharing a common ancestor

[dusk holly]

If paper made of tree, why why got trees

[somber crescent]

It just kinda confused me more than anything, also isn’t the skull emoji supposed to be like a “bruh” emoji or a “lmao” emoji

[smoky nebula]

I'm, revoking your spine privileges

[subtle lynx]

I used it as that

[rocky flicker]

jokes on you liberal Im made of synthetics and fur I dont have bones

[somber crescent]

Which one of the two

[subtle lynx]

Bruh

[bleak jackal]

we're from a certain combination between monkey/apes and some other species

[somber crescent]

Fair enough I was being a little too dramatic for the joke to catch on

[dusk holly]

Mapes

[marsh ibex]

they weren’t being serious

[brittle garnet]

Technically all vertebrates are fish

[bleak jackal]

same

[rocky flicker]

I was being 100% serious please dont speak for me

[harsh vector]

based

[rocky flicker]

wuh

[warm thicket]

What

[harsh vector]

last common ancestor of all vertebrates was a fish

[somber crescent]

So u watch fry em up?

[subtle lynx]

I haven't watched pvz content in years

[harsh vector]

we are more closely related to lung fish than lung fish are to other fish

[rocky flicker]

if we go back far enough isnt everything descended from a single celled organism so by that logic we're all single celled organisms

[somber crescent]

Oh so the pfp is just smth that stuck

[bleak jackal]

i expected better from a pvz fan

[torpid orchid]

hi everyone

[subtle lynx]

Yes, since 2020

[harsh vector]

single celled organism isnt a taxonomic term

[fresh zodiac]

hi

[hybrid stone]

can u count ur cells real quick

[somber crescent]

Aside from hollow knight of course what else do u play

[hybrid stone]

once u reach 2 lmk

[rocky flicker]

the LUCA is a single celled organism

[warm thicket]

Nexomon extinction

[rocky flicker]

is that not taxonomic

[rocky flicker]

its at least 30

[hybrid stone]

so do you have more than one cell. if so you are not single celled

[harsh vector]

single celled organisms are organisms with one cell

[warm thicket]

What are you guys yapping about

[harsh vector]

we have more than that

[rocky flicker]

im also not a fish

[hybrid stone]

fish ISNT a taxonomic term either and its infamously vague

[warm thicket]

[dusk holly]

What type of moth is radiance

[subtle lynx]

Rn not much because of university, but I was in the middle of a stardew valley play trough, and subnautica. But I played all pvz games excepting gw1

[warm thicket]

It's not

[opaque sigil]

Surely this is a monophyletic group

[harsh vector]

we are technically part of archaea

[cobalt stag]

the godlike sun moth

[warm thicket]

Why are u not talking about skong

[harsh vector]

which is mostly thought of as single celled organisms

[hybrid stone]

there is no taxonomic class of "fish", if you try to ascribe fish to a group of animals u either leave out a lot of fish or include a lot of non fish

[rocky flicker]

so then whats the LUCA

[hybrid stone]

no we're not

[cobalt stag]

thats not what this channel is about

[somber crescent]

So u played gw2, did u ever do boss hunt when it was around? That was so fun

[rocky flicker]

whats there to talk about we got news a week ago and then nothing more .-.

[warm thicket]

Piss moth

[heady iron]

kpop zombie

[harsh vector]

eukaryotes descended from archaea

[torpid orchid]

question. do you want a content like pantheon in silksong?

[hybrid stone]

latest universal common ancestor its literally just something everything now evolved from if u go back far enough

[rocky flicker]

100% yes

[subtle lynx]

I did but it was super frustrating. I think there are some that I might have never beaten

[harsh vector]

so cladistically we are

[rocky flicker]

and is that LUCA as we know right now not single celled?

[warm thicket]

*Puss Moth

[opaque sigil]

If they fix it or don’t put an ending behind it sure

[cerulean sable]

horjet will cook

literally, 20 different foods and cuisines in pharlook giving you +5 dwfense to critical hits

[cobalt stag]

yes absolutely but i hope they dont just repeat godhome and add something else

[hybrid stone]

in such a way that distinctly branches them away from archaea

[bleak jackal]

horjet 🥀

[hybrid stone]

luca was a single celled organism yes

[cobalt stag]

maybe an npc can put hornet in a trance where she can revisit fights in her memories

[rocky flicker]

so if that other guy can call all things with a spine fish I can call everyone a single celled organism

perchance

[cobalt stag]

i am a donge dingled organism

[hybrid stone]

no, because you have more than one cell, but "fish" doesnt have a strict definition

[coarse leaf]

mayhaps

[harsh vector]

maybe im reading this wrong but that looks like eukaryots coming from archaea

[subtle lynx]

You can't just say perchance

[rocky flicker]

you've poked a hole in my logic

[bleak jackal]

sharpe cuz hes void like the knight/j

[somber crescent]

On my Xbox account which I still play on here and there I have 1,500 hours, completed the sticker book, reached max rank, got all the achievements. There’s really nothing new for me to do in it other than have a bit of fun with my friends so I wish they bring back boss hunt but let’s face it, they aren’t.

[hybrid stone]

it very distinctly shows all eukaryotes branching off from all archaea quite a while ago!

[cobalt stag]

is a virus an organism?

[opaque sigil]

It’s not

[rocky flicker]

which one are we

[opaque sigil]

It’s eukaryotes and archaea coming from the same place

[subtle lynx]

I had like 800 hours and I think tank 37, I got late into the game

[rocky flicker]

viruses arent alive

[subtle lynx]

I got my PS4 in 2019

[bleak jackal]

they very much are

[rocky flicker]

they aint made of cells

[harsh vector]

the colours are implying that eukaryote is within archaea

[subtle lynx]

They aren't

[cobalt stag]

what guides their movements then? like the stuff they do and the way they do it indicates at least the most primitive level of thought or want

[hybrid stone]

no theyre not

[cobalt stag]

if incredibly intelligent aliens not made of cells appear would they not be alive somehow?

[rocky flicker]

same thing that guides fire's movement

[subtle lynx]

Cells are alive and don't think, neither do jellyfish

[opaque sigil]

Physics they don’t have nervous systems or anything

[bleak jackal]

they have genetic material

[rocky flicker]

which isnt cells

[harsh vector]

what is the red between luca and eukaryote then

[subtle lynx]

If my mother was a man, would she be my father? What are these questions

[hybrid stone]

the eukaryotes are red, are u colourblind

[somber crescent]

I got my Xbox in 2016 and played gw2 in like 2017. Despite being like 10/11 when community challenges and boss hunts were a thing I still participated in them and beat some of the boss hunts on crazy difficulty.

[rocky flicker]

if fire was made of cells it would be alive
but it isnt

[harsh vector]

are you colourblind? eukaryote is brown

[hybrid stone]

i mistyped LOL yeah thats whatimeant

[opaque sigil]

Viruses lack metabolism which is a criterion for being life

[subtle lynx]

I never got friends to play with

[subtle lynx]

That info is wrong

[cobalt stag]

pretty much none of my friends play games or are online at all

[rocky flicker]

if this is google ai im killing you

[subtle lynx]

Same thing here

[brittle arch]

play alone

[subtle lynx]

That's what I do

[somber crescent]

It’s much more fun with people

[brittle arch]

same for me

[rocky flicker]

ok now thats interesting

[brittle arch]

my friends play molbie games

[brittle arch]

they play pubg

[somber crescent]

Didn’t u do boss hunt fill with randoms

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[brittle arch]

on phone

[warm thicket]

What do you think is actually the lore of Lace?

[bleak jackal]

nice

[somber crescent]

Also does PlayStation have group posts like Xbox to find people to play with

[warm thicket]

[rocky flicker]

gay gay homosexual gay

[hybrid stone]

id always learnt them as being domains that branched off from each other shortly after evrrything else did

[brittle arch]

evil women

[brittle arch]

my favourite

[subtle lynx]

Idk, I did with randoms

[harsh vector]

yeah this is fairly recent stuff

only 2 domains now :(

[warm thicket]

The lace question was meant to be serious

[marsh ibex]

from what we know she’s not aligned with the citadel, who is probably the current ruling class of Pharloom

[rocky flicker]

and you got a serious answer

[rocky flicker]

mr moderator are viruses alive

[marsh ibex]

We know this because she released hornet from her bonds and attempted killing her twice now

[lament lotus]

she released hornet from the cage?

[subtle lynx]

We don't know

[brittle arch]

she caged Horne

[marsh ibex]

it’s implied from her dialogue and demo encounter

[warm thicket]

Wdym released from her bonds @marsh ibex

[opaque sigil]

She’s seen conducting the seal breakers before the fight

[rocky flicker]

shes seen controlling the bugs, same one was the thing that broke the seal

[brittle arch]

she did crimes

[marsh ibex]

she conducts the seal breakers and notes how she was freed from her cage

[lament lotus]

what the hell

[rocky flicker]

and she says she doesnt want the cult to take you she wants to kill you herself

[warm thicket]

O wow

[marsh ibex]

Hornet was kidnapped and forcibly taken to Pharloom

[warm thicket]

Yes ik

So the seal breakers

[bleak jackal]

there seems to be a sexual tension between hornet and lace dont know if it matters or not/j

[opaque sigil]

There really doesn’t

[warm thicket]

Why are they in glass jars all over pharloom then

[rocky flicker]

idk i've been very attracted to everyone who's tried to kill me

[marsh ibex]

How sad. A little spider has fallen from its cage. So lost, so weak. Poor little morsel.
I can save you little spider. All the trouble you’d face above. All the suffering. Its so simple.
I’ll just skewer you here and now, pluck that flickering life right out of you.

[warm thicket]

The seal breakers

[rocky flicker]

lumaflys arent seal breakers

[marsh ibex]

don’t think we’ve seen them all over pharloom

just lumaflies

[rocky flicker]

if pharlooms light bugs are even lumaflies

[kindred pewter]

silksong x five knights at freddy's collab

[warm thicket]

Oh OK different bugs then

[marsh ibex]

seal breaking bugs have a longer body and wings iirc

[warm thicket]

Ok

[marsh ibex]

I’m aware

[lament lotus]

did she actually say that

[rocky flicker]

lumaflies are just balls with wings seal breakers have bigger wings and tails

[bleak jackal]

yes

[lament lotus]

so weird seeing someone in hollow knight talk excitedly

[rocky flicker]

lace 'im gonna kill you'
hornet 'then stfu and do it'
lace 'awesome'

[warm thicket]

Oh

[warm thicket]

Fandub

[rocky flicker]

dub not fansub

[warm thicket]

What

[rocky flicker]

its a fan voicing over team cherry's dialogue, the dialogue is real

[marsh ibex]

you could just link an official source instead of a fandub yknow

[rocky flicker]

yeah couldnt have possibly used a worse video as evidence tbh

[marsh ibex]

https://youtu.be/Y8lvHT_IQbM?si=G7U-Vs1iOXN-1ZFX
16:27

[bleak jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaeBZ5HU6tk

this is the fandub

[rocky flicker]

bro stop linking the fandub 😭

[bleak jackal]

i searched 'lace all dialogue' and thats the first thing i got

[opaque sigil]

Lace: How sad. A little spider has fallen from its cage. So lost, so weak. Poor little morsel.
I can save you little spider. All the trouble you’d face above. All the suffering. Its sic so simple.
I’ll just skewer you here and now, pluck that flickering life right out of you.
Hornet: Your threats are worthless. If you are my foe, cease this prattle and raise your blade.

Lace: Delicious! I like you already!

There’s no tension it’s just a dumb joke that stopped being a joke

[rocky flicker]

will lace have 2 fights or 3 and will she die

find out next week

[bleak jackal]

so this isnt tension?

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-gif-2540652325955471116

[rocky flicker]

I'd fold

[brittle arch]

Lace is actually flirting her

[bleak jackal]

yes

[warm thicket]

This is dumb

[fiery burrow]

First message I see

[brittle arch]

I love evil women

[warm thicket]

Wut

[lone crown]

Lace’s blank cell dialogue is symbolic of Hornet’s blank cell after freeing from her prison

Real lore confirmed

[brittle arch]

ikr

[warm thicket]

[elder adder]

Hello

[warm thicket]

Hello

[brittle arch]

Hello

[elder adder]

https://tenor.com/view/fraudmortal-invincible-omni-man-immortal-immortal-invincible-gif-13794220886197271388

WHERE IS OMNI MAN

WHERE IS HE

[warm thicket]

https://tenor.com/bVWt9.gif

[lone crown]

“Lace definitely loves Hornet”

Also Lace:

[harsh vector]

you never cut down a lover before in cold blood?

[normal token]

I hope we're able to kill Lace with an awesome finisher

[fresh zodiac]

clearly, you dont understand a enemies to lovers arc

[lone crown]

No its gonna be enemies to killers

[elder adder]

Prediction

[bleak jackal]

no lace wants to capture hornet not kill her

[elder adder]

Silksong is coming November 2nd

[lone crown]

No

Lace is the one who freed Hornet from the cage

[brittle arch]

is she looking down Hornet skirt and then laugh ?

[opaque sigil]

This isn’t even a media literacy moment it’s just a literacy moment

[lone crown]

She controls the seal-breaking bugs

[harsh vector]

catch her and force her to be in love

[rocky flicker]

I cannot WAIT for lace's redemption and immediate death

[lone crown]

I mean lace already did a good thing by setting her free

[brittle arch]

you and your shitty takes

[rocky flicker]

...to kill her

[brittle arch]

and cuddle her

[harsh vector]

freeing someone from a cage is so flirty

[lone crown]

I bet lace just wants to end hornet cause she thinks she can’t handle what’s coming, which may result in a worse outcome for Pharloom if they get their hands on Hornet

[brittle arch]

^

[harsh vector]

one time someone freed me from a cage

[rocky flicker]

so like a hornet in first game

I called hollow knight "first game" I may be stupid

[bleak jackal]

and you called them a cringer

[harsh vector]

i now have 4 children with them and she is my wife and we are married

[brittle arch]

why were you in a cage 😭

[marsh ibex]

I’ll just skewer you here and now, pluck that flickering life right out of you.

[lone crown]

Well this time there’s an actual threat to the kingdom presumably

[rocky flicker]

I think lace is just a bit too evil for that

[marsh ibex]

the whole point of lace currently is killing hornet to stop whatever the citadel wants with her

[bleak jackal]

we all know hornet is void, meaning she has no life meaning it was a joke/j

[brittle arch]

that's how I flirt with my girl wdym

[rocky flicker]

I cant actually recall why did hornet want to kill the knight at first

[marsh ibex]

I believe you think that, yes

[rocky flicker]

like why would she care if the knight goes to try and get all the stuff like the kings brand and dies in the abyss

[bleak jackal]

cuz she doesnt like vessels

[harsh vector]

replace the rat with me and imagine gold in the cage 😭

[rocky flicker]

yeah but why

[marsh ibex]

thought they were trynna free thk and fuck up the kingdom like the rest of the vessels

[rocky flicker]

like she says "urr ur too weak" so then let it die

[bleak jackal]

cuz she has seen what they did

[turbid onyx]

are y'all buying the apr 29th thing

[rocky flicker]

the vessels were trying to free thk?

[brittle arch]

pretty sure becasue he stalked her

[marsh ibex]

She’s killing vessels so that a weak one doesn’t break the seals and fuck shit up

[brittle arch]

make sense

[bleak jackal]

is silksong gonna be a retexture of hollow knight cuz it has a rivals, a mother, the ant queen + the master of dance or whatever is grimm

[marsh ibex]

they were called back to Hallownest by that shell crack and screech and assumedly they all had similar purposes when they learned some truth

[rocky flicker]

I gotta research the lore again I cant remember anything

[rocky flicker]

ohhh that makes sense

[bleak jackal]

"they" theres one 1 of them, every other one is a shade

[sick elm]

Hornet - General - Greenpath

Come no closer, ghost.
I've seen you, creeping through the undergrowth, stalking me.
This old kingdom... A terrible thing awakens. I can smell it in the air...
I know what you are. I know what you'd try to do. I can't allow it.

@kingoclowns used /npcs wanderers name: Hornet category: General dialogue: Greenpath

[marsh ibex]

I wonder why there’s currently only one living vessel we’re aware of

[rocky flicker]

dead guy in background of hornet fight

[marsh ibex]

not like there’s literally a corpse in the room we fight her in of a vessel

[rocky flicker]

bunch of dead guys in nosk arena

[harsh vector]

there's 3

[brittle arch]

maybe Hornet killed some of them

[rocky flicker]

...yes

[marsh ibex]

Broken Vessel is not a living vessel

[harsh vector]

the knight, the hollow knight and hornet

[marsh ibex]

[brittle arch]

you mean Hornet is void ?

[bleak jackal]

• the pale king cuz the pale king is the knight

[normal token]

Ah shit here we go again

[rocky flicker]

im peeved we didnt get the vessel corpse bench that thing was raw as hell

[marsh ibex]

it’s just people being unfunny as usual who even cares

[rocky flicker]

matpat?

[south crown]

we also see a bunch of vessels in nosk’s den

[harsh vector]

im sick of pretending she's not

[brittle arch]

same

[harsh vector]

whos the people being unfunny

[rocky flicker]

apart from the abyss where else is there dead vessels

hornet arena and nosk

[brittle arch]

Hornet is void there's literally someone confirmed it

[marsh ibex]

greenpath arena
nosk
ancient basin

[rocky flicker]

oh yeah broken vessel

[marsh ibex]

bv is funny because the back of their head was cratered open

I think it was a mawlurk or something

[bleak jackal]

why do the other vessels have a corpse when our vessel just explodes

[rocky flicker]

little infection glob picked up a club and bonked it when it wasnt looking

[brittle arch]

even a big company confirmed she's void

and maybe even smell nice

[south crown]

like when the knight dies?

[rocky flicker]

our vessel leaves the shell behind the corpses are shells

[strange gulch]

community note:

[echo citrus]

There's probably memes / irony going over my head here but the fact she even talks is proof she's not void right, cuz void bugs are supposed to be super no thoughts head empty?

[bleak jackal]

i dont see the shellof the knight after i come back to area, it just falls and disappears

[south crown]

are the knight’s deaths canon

[brittle arch]

twitter being WRONG as usual

[rocky flicker]

why didnt the other vessels just leave shades and beat the game before we did

how did they die

[smoky nebula]

The shade trap in the coliseum suggests so

[bleak jackal]

yes theres a reason why jiji exists

[south crown]

guess they were playing on steel soul

[harsh vector]

zote talks and he's a vessel

[marsh ibex]

death is a canon option but respawning isn’t

[rocky flicker]

I guess thats canon

[marsh ibex]

they’re just shitposting ignore em

[bleak jackal]

then why does jiji exist

[marsh ibex]

because video games are supposed to be fun

[harsh vector]

jiji is expanded universe content

[bleak jackal]

is jiji non-canon now

[marsh ibex]

she’s a canonical entity

[rocky flicker]

I always thought the respawning was all canon

[marsh ibex]

she just never summons a shade

lol

[rocky flicker]

we crack, reform at the bench, go kill our regrets

[marsh ibex]

well you see
no

[smoky nebula]

Also jiji is trying to help you with your regrets
She doesn't know it's a shade until she's called your regret

[bleak jackal]

then in the canon jiji just takes the eggs and does nothing?

[rocky flicker]

...why

[marsh ibex]

in canon when you die, you die

you don’t respawn

[rocky flicker]

so then whats the shade???

[bleak jackal]

answer my question

[harsh vector]

so, in theory, if there was a world where death wasnt permanent, jiji could summon shades?

[rocky flicker]

was it here when we get there?

[marsh ibex]

getting your shade back after dying is a game mechanic

[smoky nebula]

The shade is canonically left when we die, as steel soul says "may your shade find rest"

[rocky flicker]

in steel soul yeah

[marsh ibex]

the shade exists and eventually fucks off to the abyss after death

[rocky flicker]

it doesnt also have to not be canon

[south crown]

i think jiji just spawns a bug’s regrets
they dont have to be necessarily shades
but the knight’s regrets are their shades
i think

[rocky flicker]

the shade system makes sense

[marsh ibex]

No it doesn’t

[fresh zodiac]

absolutely goated
if the community notes didnt exist, hell would break out

[opaque sigil]

It really doesn’t

[rocky flicker]

why?

[marsh ibex]

shades quite literally animate vessels

[bleak jackal]

the regret being them dying

[marsh ibex]

once their shade is gone they cannot move

furthermore respawning makes the knight have infinite void and shades within them

[fresh zodiac]

its like the fleshy inside of a human controlling the skin

or like, animating it

[marsh ibex]

their body also literally cannot reform after being shredded by the death animation

if your body sustains enough damage you die it’s pretty simple

[south crown]

clearly contradicting the law of conservation of energy

[brittle garnet]

respawning is never seen or mentioned by any character so its fairly safe to say it isn't canon

[opaque sigil]

Which is obviously the case or else there wouldn’t be vessel corpses in abyss or bv or greenpath or nosk

[echo citrus]

I thought Zote LOOKED like a vessel but it was never confirmed right.. his whole attitude and everything about him seems so unlike what we know of the rest of them, I was hoping we'd find out more about him but never did afaik lol, really fascinating case

[opaque sigil]

Zote isn’t a vessel

[marsh ibex]

zote isn’t a vessel, he comes from another kingdom

[rocky flicker]

I never thought of the vessel as a jar of infinite void before I guess

[marsh ibex]

Again, they’re shitposting

[rocky flicker]

zote's some random asshole

[smoky nebula]

He just happens to also have pretty bad parents

[marsh ibex]

also like, benches aren’t magic anyways

[bleak jackal]

i know its a silkpost, but the knight too came from a different place in the starting

[marsh ibex]

they’re just benches

[fresh zodiac]

hes just an idiot

[south crown]

true the pale king is pretty mean
/j

[rocky flicker]

I dont get the reference im sorry