#sk-discussion
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Sue me
Peak next to watermelon
Banned
I will
Atp wouldnt be surprised
WHAT
@gray parcel bro did u trip or something
Raspberries though yumm
Speaking of doctor’s appointments does anyone else actually enjoy getting shots/bloodwork done
ambataskong
To be fair, supermarket strawberries are kinda bad 75% of the time, but if you go to a farmer's market and get fresh ones they're really good
No??
Thems hurt
Sorry I was admiring my ps5 slim
Makes you sore too so exercise is a no no
My dog loves strawberries
noooo
Hey silly fella do those grip strengthener kits actually work for building forearms and wrist
Only a tiny sting at first smh
what do they look like?
it's whatever I don't hate it but I wouldn't do it for fun
No
Do you want to see my fucked up elbow after they missed my blood vein 
I feel a good feeling when they do it idk (i swear im not a drug addict)
These
"Fucked up elbow" They miss your vein and fucked you up permanently?
I'd rather die than get a vaccine. Thats why I voted for Trump
No it just bruised
i guess? ive never actually used one consistantly to know
Didn't fuck me up that bad
Martyred for the cause
I had a panic attack going into my wisdom teeth surgery cause they had to put in the needle for my iv, then I woke up still panicking so they hit me with another dose to get me to calm down
Fun times
Are you /srs or /j
Good thing i dont have wisdom teeth
/j
I'm mocking conservatives for wanting to kill people
The whole joke is that the alternative is death bruh
Still not as dumb as 4/2 believers
don't know but you could probably just do dumbbell exercises
loser
Sue them for malpractice
ouch
I mean
Oh you can't really tell but it's kind of purple all around there
@violet path you fw the new keychain
No only like half of it came up in the picture
MY FAV POKEMON YES
s
That's a big ass keychain though
Same here
i wanted to get pokemon stuff so bad from the nintendo store in ny but we didnt have time to go there :((
She’s tiny, I just have small hands
damn they really fucked up elbow you
All I want is the full Kyogre
I got a groudon plush from there
I don’t get it
I was lucky and got my mother’s Asian hands 🙏
Now my tendons looks pumped all the time
life sized kyogre plush
I’ll mail you the goods, but you gotta pay extra + shipping

Big rio fan
Nigel is a top tier villain, yes
Kyogre isn’t an ogre what the fuck…
I have what I think is a bootleg Oddish plus from ages ago
Found these in a mall store
what
there are several things wrong with these guys
what is qurriel doing there
think he's part of the team
I love
Rayquazarizard
Every time somebody replies to fella their name falls farther and further on the reply 
I saw rhis at chelsea market in ny and really wanted to buy but decided to chrck out the rest of the store then come back but then we ran out of time 
I like the mimikyu eevee
Chocolate chicken sounds terrible
I really wanted banan duck
so is the life of the struggler
awe
theres a chance that one is offical
YO
Beyond The Midverse
Wait why is quirrel just mixed in there
DIE
PISS OFF!!!!
because i found him
chat is this real
Im /j im /j…
june 4 2027
Considering how everybody's been talking about the non-existent production, doesn't this mean it's just concept art 
When i saw the ny philharmonic perform i tried to snag a quick technically not allowed video to send to my parents but didnt realized my flash automatically turns on when i start recording in the dark
no this is like real fucking footage
sony's at a convention rn
Uhhh I think Joker cares about this i should ping him
probably

@marsh ibex
@marsh ibex Kingdom hearts 5
so uh
im buying
Wait where
Looks insane btw
i thought philharmonic was the simpsons voice actor who passed away
pokemon center
Shiny Vaporeon*
No its an orchestra
there
phil harmonic
yall have to get the joke i came up with it on the spot
ok i read what that said and i think id cry if that happened to me
shes on her way 🔥
yall ever see the nokia going off during violinist
Heres the video
not the finger blocking the flash
You can see my instant panic and trying to block it
yeaaa
Luckily i was sitting like super far so its not likr the performers saw or 99.9% of the audience or the staff
Just the people immediately next to me
I've never seen flash come on during a video recording lol
i'm a bit uncertain though, 2 years is honestly not a ton of time for a production of this scale, assuming production is only recently gaining full traction
and that's without taking into account phil lord's abysmal management of the creative team
sorry, didn't mean for that to ping my bad
My iphone does it automatically i hate it!
Idk what scenario someone would want their flash to AUTOMATICALLY come on when recording
4 years since it comes out in 2027
yeah but is it blue text?
i think it's a decent amount of prod time
phil lord yeahhh i hope he gets off their asses for this one sheesh
Blue text?
imessages
yeah i can tell
Apparently my camera has night vision, I'm going to try that later see how it effective it actually is
android users give me the ick
Im tired man
I'd never date one
i mean, its 2 years from now, and there are plenty reports that production wasn't even close to fully underway back in 2023/24
I'll keep using my cracked iphone 6
The ick..
production powered by the tears of animators
Anyone know some good orchestral pieces
Mappa with the upcoming year be like
Preferably like romantic or modern
There needs to be an animator strike
yepp,, you can't really do justice for how bad they had it
I thought you were cool Heng...
gonna be honest
If it's the same kind that mine has then it's just okay
Moto g something
planning out a 2 year production-period and overworking the animators to shit feels very in character given management in the past
so you've been lying all this time?

Ah, can't say if it is or not. I have a Samsung
now i reveal my true agenda
ANIMATORS DESERVE FAIR WORKING CONDITIONS!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAH
unionize!
Fair working conditions? In my animation studio? Insane /j
despite how bad the industry is, there is such an unbelievably high demand for employment among animators that this probably isnt gonna happen
like
its a dream-job for a huge amount of artists
I mean that's not unavoidable with a sufficiently robust union to be able to punish scabs
there is a never ending supply of talent to exploit
How likely do y'all think it is for silksong to appear at the switch 2 direct
Very
Like 75% chance trust
I agree
30%
0.00005
-80%
I think that's pretty reasonable
and probably gonna do nothing because they’re just going to continue using cheap south East Asian animation studios like they’ve already been doing
guys
i just realised
no silksong april 2nd
because
they dont announce indie games in direct
they announce in indie world
Do we even know if any indie games will show on the second?
Hey guys did you know that silksong
Won't release until the year 3000? Yeah
silksong fans when they realise that indie directs are differnet then normal nintendo dierects 
*3017
Yeah
For the 1000th hk anniversary
Ikr
April 2nd
2027 10th anniversary of hk release trust
Hell nah
It won’t show at an indie direct
Genius shit
non zero chance
despite what some people are saying though there will be quite a few third party games actually
How do we know this?
Silksong someday
Silksong eventually
Damn
silksong when your asses stop asking for it
It's gonna release someday that's for sure
i think no indie games april 2nd, because its the switch 2 direct
teehee
I would like a zoteboat more tbh
I’m not getting pyoroed
get out of my sight
?
April 2nd when the 2nd is April
April 2nd is a doubt in my mind
April 2nd will have NO silksong news
april 2nd is only about switch 2
do not expect silksong
yes
-# EXACTLY
its a new knight
I actually think it could be more a 2027 release
Just like how yacht club games pulled off a direct of their own
Same lmao
The tenth anniversary of hk is literally the perfect time
ok bro ss april 2nd i promise you
I truly think they fucked up the cobblestone generator and are fixing game shattering bugs rn
why you think that
game dev is going smoothly apparently
I think that cus it's thematically fitting
its been going "smoothly" since 2019
and i'm pretty sure (hoping) that they are out of their phase of just adding more and more stuff
It just seems like if you go radio silence from a point of pretty decent communication, something fucked up major and they had to grind news to a halt, further more they’re due to overtake initial deadlines by 2 years
bro fuk you mean radio silence
lol, when was the last time Ari or William said a peep about Silksong
leth
Leth puts out fires by telling us things will be alright
like 100000 years ago
2 years and 9 months ago
leth is a liar

allegedly at a convention a couple months ago
Bruh is a god of the sun lol can he not just go for fun lol
Leth isnt human
That's kind of his job, pretty sure if he doesn't he'd get fired
we all know he's a reptiod #wakeupsheeple
aside from leth shooting my dog hes pretty trustable
praying for silksong to come out in june 💔
april 2nd 10pm, april 2nd 10pm, april 2nd 10pm...
Only 34 more hours, 34 more hours, 34 more hours...
why 10pm
Silksong is coming out in 2027 trust
no
i live in asia
oh makes sense
2027 seems reasonable
i think for est its prob going to be around 10am
I CANT MAKE IT TO 2027
Gets us ten years away from hollowknights release
Yeah see firebird gets it
I can
Just play other games bro
It's not that deep
yeah but i want silksong
i'll be real what is even coming out in 2025 aside from gta vi
Same, but symphony of the night will suffice for now
Blasphemous 1 and 2 call, dead cells calls, played dark souls or eldenring? solid replacements
im not good at eldenring
ive played many similar hollow knight games and i still dont think ill make it to 2027
_ _
Play every metroidvania before Silksong comes out, then you won't wanna play it because you'll be tired of the genre 
replace money with Silksong
Playd all of these I fully agree
You'll make it, I believe in you
You'll all make it
hopefully
guys ari js phoned me its slated for 2025
I do hope SS comes out this year
q3
It’s a good one, even playing with cheese builds can be super fun
it def will
ur an admin cant you like talk to team cherry 
No
I agree, but the odds are just okay
then who gave u admin
This technically isnt an official server. We're not accociated with TC
I don't think they can, even if they did I don't think they can say anything publicly
aw dang
Technically William is on the server, just silent as always lol
Lmfao we will never get an official hk discord server
even the admins are under the nintendo nda 💔
Oh, that's insane
And I think Ari is even on here
NDA - never dalk about (your game)
It was bestowed upon me by the lady of the lake, who gave me the sword Excalibur and thus proclaimed me "Curly, Admin of thy Hollow Knight server"
"never dalk about (your game/job)"
That's the joke lads!
do you believe
maybe
ss could be out rn but you dont know till you check
Its not coming tomorrow
i just checked
theres no silksong
just remember not to lose the scabbard like the last guy
dang
bro just broke their nda to ruin our dreams
Gn silkheads keep on songing
why would u expect silksong on switch 2 showcase?
BECAUSE UNITED WE HOPE
Hopelessness, and desperation
Honestly it would be pretty crazy if they did that
Low key would be gas
its gonne be like " time to show off some expected games for the switch 2" and its ss
right, its a SWITCH 2 SHOWCASE not a indie game showcase
so ss game wont be on switch 1?
you should all play split fiction
good game game if you have a friend
if you don't have a friend then im sorry
what is cope
no it def will
s1 and 2 are compatible
it would be very very cool
then it wont be on switch 2 showcase
I assume it will just be a like three Nintendo games revealed, and then a hardware and UI overview
metroid prime 4, mario kart 9 and silksong. all 3 will make a triple release title breaking headlines around the globe
(Not copium i swear)
i agree
Where would Silksong even slot into an event like that?
yeah probs
Don't forget Zelda - Breath of the Kingdom.
Do nintendo fans care about hardware specs?
Thanks for watching the new mario, here’s silksongs dramatic ass trailer
like Id assume saying "Its better then the switch" would suffice
15 minute hardware
35 minute game stuff
Maybe they'll announce Chris Pratt as Link in the live action movie.
they're gonna care when they finally get to experience the glory of ps4 games
they just gonna be like the screen is X times bigger and its X% faster than the switch
hollow knight sold 3 mil copies on steam alone in 4 years
why couldnt silksong be an indie release title
yo mods can we get a 30 minute slowmode 🙏
NO
Can it play doom?
, then we golden lol
NO SLOWMODE
im hearing that you want 40 minute slowmode yes?
kinda
Not too far of lol
6 hours please
6 hour slowmode take it or leave it
Great minds and all that
welp guys start coping before the slowmode happens
no cope
Every day they are losing their goddamn minds
for laughs
im coping
It's mandatory fun time.
we get to think about our messages
oooaaasogihjoooohgfdweoodsaa
Commit to the bit
April 2 is first party switch games. 100% not happening
see how dyno clowned you
Hungry knight remaster > Silksong
THERE IS A TOOTHFAIRY, THERE IS AN EASTER BUNNY, AND BOY DO I KNOW SILKSONG IS REAL.
it knows your wrong
I would honestly not be shocked if the game gets axed in my opinion…
i would
Though that is a bit dramatic
DONT SAY THAT
I’ve been through terraria hell
I mean Nintendo doeant want Silksong on there anyways. It would "ruin" their direct bc its gonna be more talked than thw switcg 2 or metroid prime
September guys, that's the release window.
sush and go drink a gulp of copium

this is very out of touch with reality ss is not bigger than the switch 2 or whatever their flagship title is going to be
If silksong gets a release date on april 2 the switch will be overshadowed
that is.... not true at all
what's wrong with my cat
Bro silksong is literally one of the most wishes games on steam
idk maybe the nose isnt very cat like
The problem is I think that's not a cat
Not bigger than GTA 6 of course! But still
I think people overestimate how many people have played Hollow Knight by finding communities of like-minded individuals, which skews their perception to thinking everyone has played it.
and the next nintendo console is the next nintendo console
fs bro
you sure
Mmmmm
True.
in terms of general interest there is no competition
Silksong be like
silksong will probs be really successful
Can't be sure to be honest, I'm not a biologist
Could be a cat
The switch is the third best selling console of all time
Besises isnt silksong partered with xbox?
who told you that
switch 2 cant be overshadowed by our SHAWs
That leak about game pass day 1 at latest June
silksong is releasing on all consoles and pc
bro thats like every game on gp
It is right? It was announced in an xbox showcase in 2022
did you alr forget the ss showcase at nintendo treehouse
What Im saying is that xbox have talked about silksong more than Nintendo
Being on game pass isn't the same thing as a full partnership
that was back in 20222222
not really true nor does it matter
fr bro every game is on gp
Nintendo Treehouse??
That was six years ago
Nintendo had a nintendo treehouse
Game pass trailer was two years ago boom i win
so what
Nahhhh, treehouse live + demo
treehouse had a nintendo nintendo
I know u guys see me as a doubter but Im a believer, just not in april 2
Silksong will release June fs
It makes sense
I’m a doubter of 2025, or 2026
Well yea the release date trailer is dropping April 10th
2028 is where it’s at
if i was lead dev ss would be out 5 years ago
Bro source?
Triple I Initiative
no source needed
oh fr
Not the redditors infecting chat
2027 be much good more better
so real
iii initiative has a full dev list tc isn't there
uh oh
what
did they have any surprises last time or nah
I completed the homework I forgot to do one minute before it’s due 
wow
the list says it's all devs
For April 2?
and now for a special surprise youve all been waiting for
The only way to do it
askiisoft is there though which may mean katana zero dlc, and ghost ship games so maybe rogue core
literally read the message
I have four exams i didnt study for tomorrow i am failing this semester for sure
happy april fools
I am cooked
oof
what classes
Silksong is out.
What classes?
Unless i somehow finesse all of them
oh shi
surely 
its out
maybe
i saw a centipede in my dream i had today
Moderators, kill this guy
was it red
oh nice
Uhhh regarding economics and accounting
Hollow Knight: Silksong Full Game part 1 HD is out
Brown
Its just numbers ill be fine
I hate the economy
Poor person energy
js remember the quadratic formula
What subs
I have half the server’s IP address 
Silksong announcement today. I can feel it
you dont got mine
Bro its april fools
You don’t say
My father’s is april 10th and mine’s the 20th
I do
Same, im not joking
Im not gay
My bad. I can’t read
Haha april fools!
my older brother was born on october 31 but his Identity card says december 25
Do you have a family member named April too or nah
Silksong needs a boss rush
or
?
if team cherry doesn't add one the fans will
hell I remember there being a mod for a boss rush for hk before godmaster came out
no boss rush just a way to refight individual bosses
My band teacher's birthday is also today
Is your mother inherently chaotic
But I’m on switch
personally I’m absolutely team boss rush, godmaster is a highlight
Feel they could have ironed out some bugs in godmaster tho
It runs in the family
You haven't established some kind of order‽
Nope
the april fools jokes that are gonna happen today
everyone will have to think clearly and carefully
in order to find the secret real info hidden in all the fakes
True
wtf no April Fools jokes yet
Something I see a lot of people get wrong on jokes is that they almost never are totally untrue.. when you make a joke you typically say something that's not true but it has to be close enough that it's funny, by this logic, silksong today
5 upvotes and ill change the server icon to the cake
Silk silk silk silk song song
can it be gay cake
because people definitely aren't going to be annoying enough otherwise right
change it to a grimm fanart to satisfy the one too many users named "Grimm"
this is tge max amount viewable at a time on phone otherwise it'd have been 40% of the server listed there
GG
can u move ur backpack from my seat pls
I've been standing the WHOLE train trip
I never but my bag on the set😔
Well you just did 😔
Oh no...
Finally the wiki is useable
is that balatro
Its Limbus Company
close enough welcome back genshin impact
No way it's Europe's #1 Rated Ace Defective
No way its the one and only AsleepNaan (Daud)
hmmm yes perfect can't wait to not use it ever because I don't have nitro
i may have agreed if you said good or decent
but calling anything peak is serious business
trust me
its not "peak"
listen
95% of anime/manga i dislike
soccer but good
?
its a good anime
sadly limbus company is having end of service 😔
guess I must hop on r1999 next
What a shame
Tomorrow is the day, the silksong day
What time is the switch 2 direct btw
Even brawl stars says git gud
Literally i enter the game open the streak and it says git gud
Silksong is coming
Chat is dead i guess

I think it would help if you said something that people could reply to
i dont really care if silksong isnt there because theres gonna be some bangers at the direct but if it is there it will make my day 1000x (or more) better
tmrw they releasing the minecraft meal in australia
i hope silk song never releases😈
good for you
yay
Same🙏
🥀 💔

it wont
wdym not you again
im dingle berry the sigma
i will be again
SILKSONG DEMO ON STEAM
||i am lying||
Expected
silksong prepurchase?
Ok but in all honesty this would be the funniest day to release silksomg
Damn does that mean they won't add new stuff or that the game won't be playable 
Still haven't played limbus 
Midbus company play rain world
Do it🥺
can mods not do the corny fake ping server icon for april fools id be grateful 🙏
the april fools story was peak
the what
Gotta beat LoR first
For april fool they made a little side story from Limbus Company which was really good
it had quite a few lore drop that I didn't expect
brother i am talking about this server
I should also but I suck at deck building
My bad 🙏
Can't wait for nothing🔥 🔥 🔥
I am saying its not coming
4th of april
stars wars day
minecarf
The only good movie ever
I can't believe silksong releases tomorrow
Silksong tommorow
Chat Silksong is coming out the moment everyone reading this finished rain world
Does this mean I have to buy and complete rain world
but it costs money
You know...
Maybe I DONT want silksong
Maybe I want it to NEVER come out.
(Reverse psychology don't fail me now)
i want skongers to suffer
rename hollow knight to turk knight for april fools
Alright I’ll tell tc
Why just for April fools?
it means the game explodes
Epic
Pipe bomb 
peak peak pea peeker peak
does anyone else here seriously think SOMETHING about silksong will come out in june i lowkey do
dude
ON EVERYONE'S SOUL, WE ALL will get the SILKSONG NEWS at the april second 2025
how the fuck did i got clowned by a bot
silksong news
april second 2025
lmao the trigger is april second 2025
There will be no silksong news April second 2025
Hmmm what about April 2nd 2025
Damn it
April sec on d 2025
AH HA
I AM NO LONGER A CLOWN
did you know April 2nd is tomorrow
April 2nd comes after April 1st
in the ultimate troll, this year skips over the 2nd and goes straight from April 1st to April 3rd
İ agree make it permanent 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
The universe denies the release of silksong
Imagine if silksong is already done but they just can't release it because the universe keeps denying them at every turn
it would be rlly funny if they told us the release date today i think
Really funny
April 2
how ya doin euphrates
April
April 2
Oh they fixed it
?
It was tied to April before
im aprilling it
so yeah have you heard about whats happening in turkey
seems i was right abt the government
Why?
it wil be so expensive when it releases
idk if ill be able to buy it
Ever since 6 years ago my life has just been silksong
Start saving up now lol
baseball, huh?
since youre so bored
I don't have ball
uh
dorry i forgot not everyone isnt brainrotted enough to understand every small meme reference
OH
Nothing happening tomorrow
The baseball, huh? Situation is crazy
chud
SWITCH 2 BABY
Even if silksong doesn't release at least we'll have something
Ah clowns.. im sorry for you
it is an equally as shitty console
I would expect a new 3d Mario, since they only have one per gen
Switch 2 bro
how was there nothing in the nintendo direct
THEY UPDATED THE STEAM COPYRIGHT
What

A bit late bud
how could they
sadg
2026 guys im sorry. Im out
2030 at least
What do you even have to do
get a life?
Damn 😔
ill be 45 years old by then
impossible
damn
ill be 84 by then
Ain't happening
45? damn
I'll be 100 years old by then
I got reincarnated into a world where silksong released as soon as it got announced
ill be 2^6
I ain't reading allat
how much is that
2
4
8
16
32
64
oh tahts a stack
64
youll be a stack
Stack of netherite ingots
If you're really that brainrotted you should know about agent 5.5
whats updog
if only it would be easy to find a new apartment
I'm mining blocks and shit cause I'm in minecraft 🔥🔥🔥
Just build one
just live in the forest
reject socity
Return to monke
Hi🇹🇷
Yo high number of turkey flags
TÜRKİYE BEST🇹🇷
Turkish ice cream man 🔥
hayir
baseball, huh?
Both of you are turkish 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
really bored has a crescent in his profile photo. (Turkish flag)
The Euphrates river originates from Turkey
mods ban them
ive been studying for the exams siince the star of this semester
I’m 99% sure this is the start of a George Constanza joke
I ain't reading allat
no turkey originated in anatolia because the euphrates river was there
listen to your history lessons
kid
Mute until after the exam
YOU HAVE A RIVER??!??!!
euphrates is a river in egypt
im a river
close! thats the nile
euphrates is a river in messopotamia
No Türkiye made the Euphrates river 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷 i was glorious mimar who ordered the river to be expanded
Türkiye created the heavens and the earth
no
Aw 
Turkey alone is the honoured one 🔥
Did anyone notice this?
this s false. eyphrates was there when earth was created but he got lonely so the iranian rulers collected thousands of slaves from around the world to dig and create the tigris river
Why tf is kingdom misspelt?
Bait used to be believable
Then Turks conquered iran 🤑
fapril totts
yeah i was there i told the turks no
you go that way
so they left iran alone
april 3
WHAT TIME IS IT IN IRAQ????
no glorious seljuk empire take iran 🇹🇷🤑🦅
11
Really?
bro is turking it
Yes
EXTREME COPE INCOMING
chat im scared is rhis real
??
did your vid just get removed
What hapn
lol
No i deleted it
i was talkng abt the vid
The title card in the end was ass
AND I LOVE ASS
I'm gonna edit it
the dog in the video looked like kangal (Turkish dog)
yeah speed is turkish
Ken drake lama 💔
we know this bc speeds hair is longer
im turkish idk what that is
yes way
really?
so many ways indeed
So many ways
Per say
It's 2 am
no way you got those confused
It's 2 am
im not waiting another 12 hours
i live in Ankara. glorious city. Second best in the world
Huh
ankara is so boring
people just pretend its good for the clout
Best city is Kirsehir
For the ☁️ 🔥💯
also ur turkish how do you use discord
Vpn
im reporting you to the government
They banned the app but they FORGOT??? To ban it on browser
im not using vpn rn
im using the app
How does a government miss a loophole that big?
İ can't they removed it from playstore
How does a whole gov forget to ban the website
i didnt delete it
no the website is also banned but
vpn
İ swear im not using VPN
he just cant download the app so hes forced to use browser
You lie 15 flags of turkey
No
turks are liars
That's crazy tho
Türkiye
truth
If you have it downloaded you can still use it
with vpn
Why did they even ban it tho
had to change my phone because my old xiaomi one just got stuck on the boot screen
cuz government
have you not listened to anything ive said
A murderer was in incel discord groups
hi garm
whats a good silksong mod other than "Silksong Nuzlocke Deluxe Randomizer ultra"
Nah that's me
you're really bored
Reasons
No
@dense temple this true
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Maturing is realizing garmond and zaza were mid characters 💔
thats half my screen
dont you EVER
what
Ahh
zaza is best character🤩🤩🤩
I know
i love zaza
how about I suplex the shit out of you
isaac reference
no
EXACTLY finally found someone here funny
Sounds like the kind of excuse you would then use to remove free press and stuff like that 