sk-discussion

[marsh ibex]

TRUE

TRUUUUUE

[lament pecan]

Im probably claustrophoric not phobic

I am fond of small spaces

[halcyon cloud]

vr im fine in, in real life, i went onto like one of those glass viewing decks with the like glass floor, and my friend had to hold me the whole time i felt soo bad ;-;

[lament pecan]

I feel comfy in small spaces

[opaque sigil]

sure but at that point just play lance

maybe I should pick up sns

[fiery burrow]

Based???

[opaque sigil]

NO

[fiery burrow]

Love lance

[marsh ibex]

sans?

[fiery burrow]

After I'm done with swaxe I'm doing lance

[brittle garnet]

The shield doesnt matter in Rise chip damage is too much

[short shoal]

glass floor would be a 5-10 minute adventure before I start walking as fast as possible

[neon adder]

VR fans when they discover going outside (the graphics are incredible)

[coarse leaf]

to me it's like. the ocean is not a place made for us. humans aren't designed to be in the water we have no real mechanisms for thriving there. we don't have webbed feet or webbed hands or any ability to hold our breath for extremely long periods of time. the water is NOT our domain and the ocean definitely isn't where we belong. but everything else in that vast expanse does belong there and that fucks me up

[marsh ibex]

I kinda want to go on those glass floors that have the fake cracking

[short shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-trombone-playing-musical-instrument-prank-joke-gif-15407543308447681253

[marsh ibex]

without anyone telling me

[opaque sigil]

there's something deeply wrong with you

[halcyon cloud]

just go onto one of the normals and lemme know when to do my funny move

[marsh ibex]

you just now realized this?

[opaque sigil]

just thought I'd remind

[marsh ibex]

I thought you were supposed to be the smart one?

[neon adder]

If I had a superpower of some sort, being amphibious would be a pretty damn good one

[opaque sigil]

what gave you that impression lmao

[marsh ibex]

in our little trio of kirb tammo and jojoker

like alvin simon theodore

[coarse leaf]

imagine how much better the world would be if humanity somehow just never invented boats and ships. like if sea travel never existed i don't think we'd have half the issues we do now

[halcyon cloud]

id choose shapeshifting immediately, esp after reading mistborn era 2 ( i wanna be melaan so bad)

[marsh ibex]

it would be fifteen hundred times worse

[halcyon cloud]

^^^

no insulin

[short shoal]

no spices

[coarse leaf]

that is true

[halcyon cloud]

no skong

[neon adder]

I probably wouldn’t exist

[marsh ibex]

pretty much all medicines would be non existent in their current forms

[coarse leaf]

but also the intercontinental slave trade probably never would've happened. and colonization probably wouldn't have happened.

[brittle garnet]

I love the sea i wanna be able to breathe underwater and just dive and swim away in a random direction

[neon adder]

True

[neon adder]

So, I wouldn’t exist

[short shoal]

airplane tech is just over 100 years old, boats have been around for millenia

[marsh ibex]

If I could have any superpower that isn’t just busted

probably super speed
but only to the levels of like, high end cars

[neon adder]

Like, my Pa’s from America, he wouldn’t have met my Ma, my great grandparents probably wouldn’t have even met either, do you see the issue here

[marsh ibex]

mostly because I want to ruin everyone’s day

[halcyon cloud]

i mean if boats didnt exist, pretty much the entire world would be WILDLY different

[brittle garnet]

Yea

[marsh ibex]

kendrick would become the world’s number 2 hater

[fiery burrow]

The slave trade is a symptom of the far larger issue of racism. You should be saying how much better the world would be if racism didn't exist

[neon adder]

Reverse Flash

[short shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dash-running-fast-incredible-superfast-gif-7367440

[brittle garnet]

Slaves also existed before colonization anyhow

[neon adder]

Now the world being rid of Racism I can get behind

[opaque sigil]

that's actually kind of the reverse

[neon adder]

I would still probably not exist but it’d be worth it

[marsh ibex]

a world without racism

[coarse leaf]

the slave trade certainly still would've happened but at the very least they wouldn't have been packed into ships and hauled across the ocean

[marsh ibex]

where would I be

flying through the skies

[halcyon cloud]

yeah but the transatlantic slave trade was way way worse than slave trading beforehand

[dusk sphinx]

I just opened this chat, whats the context for this conversation 😭

[naive geode]

is the story the same

[coarse leaf]

well yeah

[marsh ibex]

yeah instead we’d be getting trail of tears times a million

[naive geode]

okay

so its quite short?

[marsh ibex]

just like you

[naive geode]

im 5'7

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-ishowmeat-funny-laugh-gif-3834932356741800396

[coarse leaf]

relatively short, it's only 90-something chapters

[brittle garnet]

The show didnt reach the end yet

[naive geode]

ok joker

[neon adder]

If I could have any non-busted superpower, amphibiousness would be up there, but I think I’d pick telekinesis of some sort

[coarse leaf]

the anime isn't over yet though yeah

[marsh ibex]

Short speedmann

[naive geode]

is it better than vinland saga

[brittle garnet]

Oh wait

[short shoal]

is teleportation "busted"

[marsh ibex]

if it’s busted superpowers it would simply be luck manipulation

[naive geode]

nickname me this i dare you

[marsh ibex]

not allowed to anymore

[halcyon cloud]

i feel like thats about personal taste

[coarse leaf]

it's a completely different kind of series i don't known why you're asking that

[naive geode]

you just did!!

[marsh ibex]

i have audit logs bro

[naive geode]

have you read both

[neon adder]

If it’s busted superpowers, unrestricted shapeshifting

[coarse leaf]

yes

[oblique musk]

joker whyd you do that man

[naive geode]

so you can answer the question

[wheat sail]

Girls love short kings 👑

[marsh ibex]

however game recognizes game

And you look familiar

[short shoal]

what do you mean luck manipulation?

[oblique musk]

Uh well uh you see uh

[marsh ibex]

I can make myself lucky
I can make others unlucky

good for hating and it’s a not obvious superpower

[coarse leaf]

i can't, because they're two completely different genres and which one is better is entirely up to personal taste. i personally enjoyed dungeon meshi more than vinland saga but that's because i just like the general vibes of dungeon meshi more

[wheat sail]

There's no such thing as luck

[neon adder]

Unrestricted shapeshifting would be cool because I can make it not seem obvious

[oblique musk]

Want to make it to your meeting on time? Boom, only green lights. Someone pissing you off? Boom, they fell down 20 flights of stairs.

[naive geode]

im surprised no one died in a grease fire yet in dungeon meshi

[marsh ibex]

Well yeah but where’s the fun in that?

[neon adder]

There’s no such thing as shapeshifting either, or telekinesis, what’s your point

[short shoal]

sounds like just god powers

[neon adder]

Extra challenge

[marsh ibex]

unrestricted shapeshifting I’m turning into a continental sized meat monstrosity at the mildest inconvenience

[wheat sail]

Yes there is

[oblique musk]

It effectively is, if you use it properly

[wheat sail]

That's my point

[neon adder]

Subtlety is key, unless you’re pressed

[brittle garnet]

Unrestricted shapeshifting would be the best power

[marsh ibex]

stubs toe
Lovecraftian horror time

[brittle garnet]

For reasons

[fleet field]

deltarune tomorrow

[neon adder]

True

[short shoal]

I would take "luck" as my superpower, but its actually just like 10 years of magician skills and I swindle the casino

[marsh ibex]

unrestricted shapeshifting is good if I can shapeshift other people as well

[wheat sail]

Instant transmission would be

[marsh ibex]

I will transition everyone

[oblique musk]

I myself would want to be able to stop time, which I am aware borders on broken.

[brittle garnet]

No thats evil

[marsh ibex]

for the low low price of whatever I fuckin feel like it

[marsh ibex]

no it isn’t
You pay me
I transition you

ez gg

[short shoal]

we all know why you wanna stop time

[naive geode]

would you do it on unwilling people

[neon adder]

That would be my first pick if it wasn’t an existential nightmare

[fleet field]

thats genious

[marsh ibex]

No

[naive geode]

good

[brittle garnet]

Okay but can you trust yourself woth the power to change others against their will

[twilit vector]

are we talking about best superpower?

[marsh ibex]

but I would randomly make objects gendered

[wheat sail]

I would give myself healing abilities for every condition and disease and charge a monthly subscription or I reverse it

[oblique musk]

Because I watched Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, yes.

[marsh ibex]

nothing visibly changes

but it would be really funny

[oblique musk]

Are you spanish or perhaps french

[halcyon cloud]

this mfer romance languages

[short shoal]

so you have the power of the spanish language?

[neon adder]

Crouton (masculine)

[coarse leaf]

anybody who wants luck as a super power is gonna be sorely disappointed when they find out the concept of luck is purely a human construct and has no real metaphysical existence or bearing on reality

[marsh ibex]

yes

[naive geode]

nous l'avons déjà fait!

[twilit vector]

croutonen

[brittle garnet]

Okay go ahead i guess

[twilit vector]

buzzkill alert

[marsh ibex]

they’re superpowers genius

[fleet field]

i'm going to bed(feminine)

[naive geode]

no it does cus i said so

[wheat sail]

Luck is in blue lock tho

[neon adder]

That don’t really matter when superpowers are in play

[coarse leaf]

well yeah but superpowers generally have SOME physical concept and bearing on reality to them even if they're completely unrealistic

like how logically would luck as a power work

[twilit vector]

mfw i try to ruin other peoples fun just to make myself look slightly smarter:

[short shoal]

im just gonna give myself +1 luck like in ROR2 and i just roll all chances in my life twice

[marsh ibex]

“Logically how would an illogical super power work”

be fr

[wheat sail]

My super power is making all paradoxes not paradoxes

[neon adder]

Time is also a human construct, technically

[marsh ibex]

stop hating

[halcyon cloud]

what superpower would yall choose if you have to use it in a mundane way, like just a small thing in life?

[neon adder]

Hell yeah
That’s the spirit

[twilit vector]

#stophating

[marsh ibex]

That’s my job

[naive geode]

what no i need more hats

[brittle garnet]

Teleportation

[marsh ibex]

Able to make someone stop crying

[wheat sail]

Love chat love

[coarse leaf]

no but like. explain to me how it could work

[short shoal]

disney magic where the dishes do themselves and the mops clean automatically

[neon adder]

Either amphibiousness or multiple prehensile tails with hands at the end

[wheat sail]

❤️

[marsh ibex]

already did

[thorny knoll]

kill someone instantly

[marsh ibex]

backread dorkus

OW MY ORGANS

[halcyon cloud]

FIRE so real

[oblique musk]

Honestly, still stopping time. Lets me waste less time in a day.

[neon adder]

OH! Both
Octopus graft

[wheat sail]

Instant Teleportation is the only good power

[twilit vector]

telekinesis is goated

[wheat sail]

I can teleport to vegas

[thorny knoll]

what abiout killing someone instantly

[thorny knoll]

what about killing someone instnatly

[neon adder]

True actually

[marsh ibex]

the ability to create cheese

[wheat sail]

Just teleport inside of someone

[brittle garnet]

Instant cleaning

[wheat sail]

Their atoms disintegrate

[thorny knoll]

thats not cool though

[brittle garnet]

I swipe my hand across, boom clean

[oblique musk]

I can kill them while time is stopped. To everyone but me, it's instant.

[marsh ibex]

or your atoms get tangled in a metaphysical mess

[halcyon cloud]

I want the ability not to sleep, i hate that shit

[twilit vector]

unrestricted telekinesis is by far the best power, it has like 5 different powers included in it if you know what youre doing

[wheat sail]

Teleportation is already cool

[neon adder]

Fair point

[short shoal]

how i clean my desk (my floor is covered in stuff now)

[thorny knoll]

wtf

[twilit vector]

look at magneto, and that mf can only move iron

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-bros-close-brothers-closer-gif-5348483

[halcyon cloud]

yeah but its all about it being mundane, you only use it for moving stuff around in ur room

[coarse leaf]

can i just choose omnipotence

[brittle garnet]

I want the ability to fall asleep on command

[halcyon cloud]

wastes so much time ;-;

[coarse leaf]

but how would this work i don't get it. like what scale does luck run on. with superpowers in media there's usually some amount of fictional logic to them. would you be like manipulating the odds of something happening or what

[lone crown]

High disagree, i want to be able to sleep and wake up at will

[short shoal]

this is easy, just pause time while u sleep

[halcyon cloud]

i like the feeling of sleeping, but i want to be able to do it for fun

[marsh ibex]

however I want it to

[wheat sail]

Nuclear bombs is my power

[marsh ibex]

go to superpower wiki or something if you want details dweeb

[twilit vector]

still incredibly good

[neon adder]

I’d like the ability to passively fuck up reality in such a way that isn’t actively harmful but will occasionally summon relevant items and make people around me uneasy

[wheat sail]

I can trigger a nuclear explosion wherever I want

[coarse leaf]

there are superheros with luck powers

[twilit vector]

never have to get out of bed to turn the light off

[coarse leaf]

its pretty self explanatory

[neon adder]

Domino

[oblique musk]

Basically, yeah. If there was an event you wanted to happen, you'd increase the odds to 100%.

[lone crown]

Downside: you’re the explosion and you die

[coarse leaf]

i'm trying to spark conversation over something i find interesting man

[marsh ibex]

that’s one of the x-men’s powers actually

[twilit vector]

natural probability manipulation towards favourible outcomes

[neon adder]

A finger curls on the monkey’s paw

[wheat sail]

I simply wear host hat for explosion immunity

[brittle garnet]

Imagine that those coincidences that just happen to favor you happen all the time

[short shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/here-comes-the-sun-nuked-gif-26060295

[lone crown]

Oh that’s cool

[marsh ibex]

it’s just manipulating probabilities to favor oneself

[neon adder]

You guys pick a power, someone else can pick a side effect
(Nothing weird)

[marsh ibex]

it’s like reality warping lite

[halcyon cloud]

i think save points sound nice too

[marsh ibex]

Intangibility

[twilit vector]

cancer

[short shoal]

monkey hands

[silver oak]

My power would be to be right behind you

[wheat sail]

Probabilities are a man made construct everything that happens is guaranteed to happen

[neon adder]

You’re still affected by gravity

[coarse leaf]

nothing personal kid

[wheat sail]

Everything is already laid out

[short shoal]

this oofs

[oblique musk]

You can't always control it, so sometimes you drop cups and pencils and such.

[oblique musk]

Stopping time.

[thorny knoll]

death

[coarse leaf]

the idea that everything is guaranteed to happen is also a human construct

[marsh ibex]

You can’t breathe in stopped time

[twilit vector]

you also get stopped

[brittle garnet]

Ew we have a determinist here

[neon adder]

It includes yourself and you can’t unstop it

[halcyon cloud]

it only stops for you, everyone else keeps going

[neon adder]

ACTUALLY THAT’S A KILLER IDEA HOLD ON

[wheat sail]

No it's a discovery

[oblique musk]

haha replied to the wrong message

[thorny knoll]

my superpower is that i can choose my own side effect

[thorny knoll]

teleprotation

[neon adder]

Stealing that power for a superhero of my own

[thorny knoll]

im so intelicgent

[halcyon cloud]

im worthless ;-;

[twilit vector]

telekinesis

[short shoal]

Ability to construct walls instantly like fortnite

[thorny knoll]

u gotta build them

[coarse leaf]

a discovery implies there's scientific basis for it, there's no scientific basis for determinism

[twilit vector]

you get 200 pumped

[marsh ibex]

You need double the materials you usually would

[wheat sail]

We just need a good computer to find the formula for any event happening

[oblique musk]

Joker i think your side effect is the least bad, seeing as I still get a solid minute or so.

[short shoal]

its instant

[halcyon cloud]

i have a pretty good one, you think you could do it on my thinkpad?

[coarse leaf]

there is a very strong logical basis for determinism tf

[neon adder]

You can’t choose what you lift. Either you move everything nearby or nothing

[marsh ibex]

I’m trying to not have the side effects be garbage

[marsh ibex]

not really

[thorny knoll]

no

[wheat sail]

You just can't comprehend it. If every electron flows a certain way I sneeze or your neurons decide you should make ramen noodles

Simple calculus

[oblique musk]

Doing so destroys a random wall of similar size and composition somewhere in the world.

[coarse leaf]

there definitely is for weak determinism

[twilit vector]

that computer would have to have access to every single piece of infomation in the universe for that to happen, as well as the fact that some things are genuinely random

[short shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739

[marsh ibex]

Anyways
speaking to the dead

[short shoal]

i hope there are a lot of 45 degree walls in the world

so i can build up

[neon adder]

You can’t make them shut up

[twilit vector]

sky base

[wheat sail]

Nothing's random in my heart

[oblique musk]

You can hear them at all times if you're within a couple hundred feet.

[coarse leaf]

no, there's really not. we as people in the present have no ability to know the future outside of things we can scientifically predict like weather patterns (and even then those can change extremely abruptly), so there's no logical basis to assert that everything that happens is predetermined to happen

[twilit vector]

thats already an awful power you can keep it without a side effect

[short shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-you-don't-want-that-bear-craig-tate-i'm-a-virgo-you-don't-want-that-gif-7595183114535565447

[twilit vector]

talking to the dead would be so sad all the time

[wheat sail]

I'm a future thinker and I declare it is true

[neon adder]

I’ll go

The ability to manipulate any wooden objects whatsoever

[coarse leaf]

our inability to predict outcomes based on the unbelievably complex chains of events that precede them is not a great argument

[short shoal]

manipulate? like shapeshift? or telekenesis

[formal whale]

What is #sk-discussion even about?! 😭

[marsh ibex]

it’s always wood filled with splinters

[coarse leaf]

determinism is logically sound regardless of our ability to use it as a mode of prediction

[neon adder]

Like, lift them and reshape them and stuff

[marsh ibex]

you can never make wood not splintered

it will always lodge in your finger

endless splinters

[halcyon cloud]

we're discussing silksong

[coarse leaf]

in what way is it logically sound though? explain instead of just asserting that it is

[oblique musk]

You have to touch it to manipulate it, and it will always give you a splinter

[neon adder]

Oh, you’re wearing wooden clogs? Bam. Instant splinters all over your feet

[formal whale]

How are we discussing Silksong bru

[twilit vector]

it takes the same amount of energy to do this as it would for you to do it by hand

[short shoal]

this one is so good

[neon adder]

Not a dealbreaker

[halcyon cloud]

well she, she silk, she silk on my, on my skong till i uhhh ummmm

[wheat sail]

Appeal to evidence fallacy

[coarse leaf]

i'm not asking for evidence, i'm asking for him to actually explain his point

[short shoal]

hornet is going to give us superpowers like a genie so we are silking our songs to figure out which one has the least drawbacks

[marsh ibex]

appeal to logic fallacy

[oblique musk]

Appeal to explaining the point fallacy /s

[neon adder]

Here’s another one

The ability to telepathically read any text anywhere instantaneously

[wheat sail]

He's not qualified to answer go askm my scientist

[halcyon cloud]

its always wrong by 1 word

[short shoal]

you can read it, but you dont speak the language

[neon adder]

HA

[marsh ibex]

doesn’t turn off
you always have a constant flow of information filtering into your brain at all times

[neon adder]

Not bad

[twilit vector]

you read all the text at once, so you would remember very little of it

[oblique musk]

You automatically read any text that comes within a meter of you.

[halcyon cloud]

adhd?

[neon adder]

Infinite knowledge

[neon adder]

I’ve already got that

[halcyon cloud]

adhd ^ 2

[coarse leaf]

the simple fact that every action taken is based on prior events is a logical basis for determinism, asking for it to be proved empirically is a poor argument against it even if u disagree with it

which i think i do

[wheat sail]

When you read the mind of the one who smiles the most ☹️☹️

Sad!

[obsidian owl]

what's the rate

[neon adder]

Depending on the rate I might immediately have a stroke and die

[twilit vector]

anyway determinism can be disproven through just looking at the quantum physics wikipedia page

[coarse leaf]

you cant prove that decisions u make are based on anything other than prior input

[short shoal]

determinism fans when marvel has a multiverse

[neon adder]

Ok ok ok ok I’ve got one

The ability to control fungi of all sorts, coming bundled with immunity to rot

[obsidian owl]

aren't scientists continually coming to this conclusion

[wheat sail]

Determinism made Stan Lee make the mulltiversus

[coarse leaf]

i see what you mean but even still i'd argue that that doesn't make determinism logically sound at all. what we do in the past tends to be of our own choice and volition one way or another. sure the actions we take might determine the future but determinism generally refers to the idea that everything that happens is always guaranteed to happen and that you as a person don't truly have a choice in the matter

[twilit vector]

you have to eat one before you can control them

[halcyon cloud]

you have an overwhelming urge to eat dead, rotting objects

[short shoal]

you are allergic to consuming mushroms

[neon adder]

I AM LORD OF THE SHIITAKE

[wheat sail]

Is determinism definitely false then?

[neon adder]

Oh
Paired with the last one might be a hassle

[naive geode]

💩

[halcyon cloud]

keep that epipen on you

[twilit vector]

very little in the universe is definitely false but determinism is up there

[wheat sail]

Average Kirbstar disagreeer 😭

[naive geode]

i didnt even read

[neon adder]

True

[short shoal]

im actually a certified mushroom hater, but my gf is a fiend

[coarse leaf]

i don't think it's 100% provably false it i also don't think it's logically sound. same way i feel about a lot of religion and spirituality

[coarse leaf]

but the issue is that we cant prove that its actually a free choice

[halcyon cloud]

mushrooms fuck

[wheat sail]

Exactly

[naive geode]

you cant prove religion is false

[coarse leaf]

we like to believe we have agency but there isnt really any way of knowing

[neon adder]

How’sabout the power to eat chairs with no negative consequences

[wheat sail]

oh yeah and you'd know that

[halcyon cloud]

she just said exaclty that

[oblique musk]

Right, it's the sort of thing that can never be concretely proven true or false.

[wheat sail]

Bombaclat

[short shoal]

granted, no downsides

[opaque sigil]

determinism isn't really falsifiable nor is it deductively sound, it's a reasonable induction but whatever, it's also not really that interesting or important whether or not it's true

[coarse leaf]

so determinism is a sound basis for why we make the decisions we do

[twilit vector]

the burden of proof is on YOU, youre the one trying to claim something

[marsh ibex]

Your fastest reading speed

[neon adder]

I’ve done it

I’ve won

[naive geode]

i dont read

[oblique musk]

Sitting on them always hurts.

[coarse leaf]

the fact we can't prove that everything is a free choice does not make determinism logically sound. it makes it nebulously possible, but not an airtight concept in any way

[halcyon cloud]

that seems like an iss-you, and not an iss-her

[wheat sail]

maybe if we find an intelligent alien species theyd know

[coarse leaf]

u r asking for empirical proof to an unbelievably complex philosophical conundrum what exactly do u want me to show here

[short shoal]

the real question is, which part of the chair is the most tender?

[wheat sail]

we are just monkeys compared to them

[naive geode]

??

[marsh ibex]

I mean physically none
socially?

[naive geode]

speak english pls

[oblique musk]

Depends on the chair.

[short shoal]

id imagine the seat is probably pretty good, but the arms might be pretty nice too

[halcyon cloud]

sadly the server is only english

[twilit vector]

if you have no proof and no logical arguments that definitively prove determinism over other ideas, its probably a good idea to pick a different principle

[neon adder]

Socially, I become the Seatvourer, hero of my city

[marsh ibex]

Any argument you make is gonna be invalidated by you eating chairs

[naive geode]

je parle pas english

[oblique musk]

I was thinking of one of those shitty chairs they have in classrooms.

[coarse leaf]

providing one explanation to something that's not possible to answer and asserting that it's logically sound because it can't be 100% disproved does not make it logically sound is basically what i'm saying

[short shoal]

the desk combo? bro wants the mcdonalds meal of chairs

[marsh ibex]

isn’t this still wrong

You forgot the ne

[oblique musk]

"Listen I just think that-"
"Shut up chair eater"

[naive geode]

yeah on purpose

[wheat sail]

logic is a man made construct

[neon adder]

That’s dangerous

[coarse leaf]

the only game in town fallacy or whatever. i fucking hate philosophy

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-gif-16222180742025017592

[naive geode]

and english would be anglais, joker

[halcyon cloud]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[marsh ibex]

I’m aware

[naive geode]

you learned french?

[oblique musk]

the fuck happened here?

[naive geode]

you've earned yourself a lot of brownie points joker

[marsh ibex]

Sadly

[fiery burrow]

It was heinous, I can't even mention it because its so NSFL

[halcyon cloud]

mhmhm im a horrible person

[naive geode]

im proud

[violet path]

Come on man

[obsidian owl]

haha point and laugh

[fiery burrow]

It was like 50 different infohazards it was crazy

[obsidian owl]

anglais

[short shoal]

(she silked on someones skong)

[wheat sail]

disagreeing with determinsm is a hasty generalization and slippery slope

[naive geode]

j'aime pas les anglos

[violet path]

SHUT UP KIRBSTAR

[wheat sail]

ok sayshan

[coarse leaf]

it just means you're providing a neither provable nor disprovable explanation to a question that will likely never be possible to answer

[violet path]

IF I HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE DARN TOOTIN FALLACIES

[coarse leaf]

you're just saying words

[twilit vector]

silksong discussion is really crazy because how do we have a discussion about the validity of determinism and a discussion about useless superpowers at the same time

[naive geode]

what is this nerd talk

[oblique musk]

kirb hate fallacy

[short shoal]

making blanket statements about groups of people is hasty generalization

[violet path]

Whats this determinism

[halcyon cloud]

darn tooting fallacy fallacy

[twilit vector]

fallacy fallacy

[violet path]

Isnt that the shit they use in undertale

[oblique musk]

fallacy fallacy fallacy

[oblique musk]

Yeah basically

[naive geode]

im gonna fallacy your fallacy

[twilit vector]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

[coarse leaf]

the idea that everything that happens is predetermined to happen

[wheat sail]

no

[halcyon cloud]

she fallacy on my fallacy till i fallacy

[twilit vector]

embed fail

[wheat sail]

its the fact that everything is predetermined to happen

[opaque sigil]

determinism being valid is like completely unquestionable it's soundness that you could argue against if you really cared for some reason

[short shoal]

she fallacy on my generalization, till I determinism

[violet path]

Thats stupid

[oblique musk]

idk man looks like an embed success from here

[halcyon cloud]

thats really good i really like that

[naive geode]

@wheat sail 💩

[violet path]

Isnt that like the plot of loki

[wheat sail]

the only reason people would disagree with it is because people dont wanna realize they are sheeps who have no free will

[twilit vector]

embed fail

[neon adder]

Speaking of, what is the most useless superpower

[halcyon cloud]

why would you care if you were or werent?

[violet path]

No way someone would determine that youngboy singing opera would become the biggest meme of the year

[naive geode]

nice take, however your mother

[oblique musk]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-jetstreamsam-yes-i-like-that-gif-24990765

[opaque sigil]

determinism isn't fundamentally incompatible with free will nor is indeterminism fundamentally exclusively compatible with free will

[wheat sail]

some people do

[short shoal]

whatever hawkeye does

[violet path]

Sounds like something a sheep would day

[neon adder]

True

[halcyon cloud]

meh, the world still appears the same

[violet path]

Fuckin invisibility

[wheat sail]

youre all in the matrix

[coarse leaf]

oh yeah it's a valid idea. just calling it logically sound is incredibly silly because nothing surrounding the nebulous idea of fate and the unknowable future is logically sound

[naive geode]

why are we discussing philosophy here bro 💀 what is this

[twilit vector]

probably something like your liver turning a different shade of red-brown for one second a year with no impact on its abilities

[wheat sail]

yall dont read niestchzes

[neon adder]

Good for espionage

[coarse leaf]

are you genuinely asking for empirical proof of these fundamental philosophical frameworks

[violet path]

I assume they mean a popular superpower

[short shoal]

its also crazy anyone ever says aquaman is bad when like 2/3 of the world is water

[coarse leaf]

the only arguments you can make for these currently is based on reason

[neon adder]

I could actually think of a single use case for this

[naive geode]

I have read Nietszche and you're writing his name wrong

[halcyon cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-sam-monsoon-gif-24364189

[coarse leaf]

of course we cant prove this shit thats an absurd thing to claim

[violet path]

Nt

[twilit vector]

embed fail

[wheat sail]

if everything is predetermined you didnt choose any of your actions cause you'd do them anyway

[oblique musk]

Also good for nobody saying your name

[wheat sail]

youre in the matrix

[twilit vector]

point and laugh

[obsidian owl]

new knight strikes again

[halcyon cloud]

AGHHHHH

[neon adder]

I’d kill for amphibiousness, talking to aquatic animals is just a bonus

[twilit vector]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[obsidian owl]

no way andrew tate too!

[naive geode]

Nietszche's take is a bit more nuanced than that kirb...

[halcyon cloud]

i should be turned into paint....

[obsidian owl]

the matrix has attacked him!

[violet path]

How you gonna tell me THIS is predetermined

[short shoal]

but you dont get to pick the color

[halcyon cloud]

whats the color

[short shoal]

are we still doing that game?

[obsidian owl]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-has-attacked-me-gif-27332404

[wheat sail]

Live a good life in a computer fake world or live in the depressing real world where you only eat gray sludge

[twilit vector]

nietszche was the original r/atheism browser

[violet path]

I just lost the game asshole

[coarse leaf]

i mean. if you want to call something logically sound you realistically need to provide a reason that it is logically sound. and all you've done is assert that it's logically sound because you can't 100% say it's incorrect, which is true but not something that actually supports the idea that it's logically sound

[coarse leaf]

I agree that it isn't an airtight concept that is definitively true, but I do definitely think it is logically sound purely based on arguments derived from reason over concrete empirical evidence

[oblique musk]

A really gross shade of yellow.

[neon adder]

Get in.

[halcyon cloud]

oh god oh fuck

[naive geode]

yeah but chaos theory, sam

[wheat sail]

i wrote it wrong on purpose knowing you'd correct me. thats predeterminsm

[short shoal]

thats circular reasoning and confirmation bias

[opaque sigil]

assuming one of your premises for determinism is that everything that occurs has a reason for occurring that premise may be false as cosmology gets fucking weird when you go back far enough

[wheat sail]

yo mama is a circle

[twilit vector]

knowing people on hollow knight discord are pedantic is NOT determinism

[naive geode]

Kirbstar going for the bait of all time lol

[short shoal]

attack of the person not the argument

[naive geode]

i must respect the hussle

[opaque sigil]

the beginning of time can't really be caused by anything

[wheat sail]

because the person is not contributing to the argument

[halcyon cloud]

i actually caused it

[violet path]

Family guy

[lone crown]

Is there even a beginning of time...

[wheat sail]

i only want logical intellectual discussions with valid premises

[opaque sigil]

yes

[oblique musk]

It's true, I was there

[twilit vector]

yes

[violet path]

You was there too

[wheat sail]

and sequitial conclusions

[naive geode]

🪝

[obsidian owl]

the big bang is generally accepted to be the beginning of time

[violet path]

And what made the big bang bang

[wheat sail]

its not rage bait, its baiting you to realize you're wrong...

[obsidian owl]

that is a good question!

[wheat sail]

sheldon cooper

[naive geode]

your mom

[torpid nova]

Before the big bang time still existed, though in a singularity

[violet path]

Probably me

[coarse leaf]

yea this is true, but im not sure this is worth using as an argument cos its all so blurry even to the people doing the research on it

[lone crown]

Not as sufficient of a response for me

[obsidian owl]

i'm proud of you

[violet path]

Thanks tammo

[wheat sail]

Before there was time there was nothing

like adventure time said

[naive geode]

alp do you like flip flops

[oblique musk]

No, if everything is concentrated into a single point, you have no space and no time.

[obsidian owl]

there really is no sufficient answer that can be given unless you study astronomy, which i don't

[coarse leaf]

our construct of time is limited entirely to our own planet and the observable universe. so time essentially came into existence when the earth did. it can also be argued it came into existence when humanity first conceptualized it

[short shoal]

but you would argue that because you knew he was going to correct you, that its predeterminism
this is circular reasoning and not a valid argument

[oblique musk]

and before there was nothing...

[violet path]

Interesting

[wheat sail]

there was xbox live

[naive geode]

how can the latter be argued what

dinosours didnt exist???

[violet path]

Im eating a swiss and ham sandwhich

[opaque sigil]

yes it's ambiguous but it calls a pretty important premise into question which is a problem for claiming determinism is logically sound

[lone crown]

My third eye has opened

[wheat sail]

no i didnt decide on it because he'd correct me i already knew and im just demonstrating it

[violet path]

No they didnt

[oblique musk]

Is it good?

[naive geode]

im really sad

[wheat sail]

therefore it isnt ciircular its a J shape

[violet path]

Yes

[naive geode]

i liked dinosaurs

[halcyon cloud]

i wish i could read this while i was tripping, not while i was sititng at work

[twilit vector]

brother time is not a human invention it was a human discovery

[lone crown]

Grant us eyes... grant us eyes!

[violet path]

Dinosaurs got nerfed

[naive geode]

no eyes

[twilit vector]

time is a fact of the universe

[oblique musk]

The bones just spawned in the ground like that

[obsidian owl]

well time as a concept didn't exist until somebody came up with it, but the flow of time itself did exist before anyone came up with the concept for it

[violet path]

They were cooler when they were big inaccurately depicted lizards

[naive geode]

time is the 2 minutes I need to make popcorn in my microwave

[coarse leaf]

i assert that it is logically sound because you can observe that every single thing that happens in this universe is based on the culmination of countless previous events, it is not an absurd leap to assume that we arent somehow removed from this rule through free will, i obviously cant prove that but the reasoning is there

[violet path]

Dialga?

[twilit vector]

the matter that formed our world has also been around since the beginning of the universe

[violet path]

“I assert that it is logically sound” 🥀

[lone crown]

I wonder if all of space as we know it is just inside one big ass microwave

[opaque sigil]

this isn't a deductive argument if the thing

[violet path]

Thats what microwave radiation is

[obsidian owl]

nah it's on top of a turtle

[lone crown]

Big bang was the metal spoon in the microwave

[violet path]

If what?

[coarse leaf]

what does this even MEAN bruh

[obsidian owl]

which is on top of another turtle

[short shoal]

poor demonstration of determinism, considering outside forces contribute to it

[obsidian owl]

and another

and another

infinite food for an infinitely hungry being

[violet path]

Me

[opaque sigil]

also free will being nondeterministic seems pretty fucking contradictory to it being free, like damn ok ig you just do things at random

[violet path]

Im hungry as hell

[violet path]

I do

[naive geode]

infinite bacon?

[obsidian owl]

no, the turtles

[coarse leaf]

sure, what we label as time existed before we conceptualized it but the idea of gauging and tracking time is not something that is inherent to the universe. our concept of time is unique to us, and something we constructed to gauge the nebulous progression of the universe and astral bodies

[opaque sigil]

seems like a free agent given the same circumstances should generally pick similar things in similar circumstances

[wheat sail]

im only simplifying it to you

[violet path]

Wrong

[oblique musk]

Would you rather have unlimited bacon, but no more video games, or have games, unlimited games, but no games?

[short shoal]

not to me

[wheat sail]

those outside forces were already predetermined too

[violet path]

Idk why but youre probably wrong haha

[violet path]

Already have the latter

[wheat sail]

dont complicate it to yourself bud

[violet path]

Aint no shit to play rn

[twilit vector]

but whether or not we measured it, it still existed, your claim was just wrong

[obsidian owl]

having unlimited games but no games is crazy

[wheat sail]

it averages out to 1 game

[violet path]

Thats deep

[short shoal]

🪝

[violet path]

Im 14

[halcyon cloud]

probs unlimited bacon, easy way to circumvent food insecurity for a lot of people, id just have to pick up some other hobbies ig

[lone crown]

But clearly outer space and planetary/cosmic masses of enormous scale were specifically designed as a test to see if we would succumb to the unknown and lose faith in the book god sent us!!!!!1111!1!1!1

[violet path]

Never said the bacon was edible

[twilit vector]

unlimited bacon

bacon

[halcyon cloud]

building materials

[wheat sail]

unlimited bacon so i can throw it all away

[obsidian owl]

say that you're that old -2 please i promise i have no malicious intentions 😉

[oblique musk]

I mean, yeah, you could basically solve world hunger with that.

[halcyon cloud]

i can sacrifice the skong for that

[violet path]

Im that old minus 2

[violet path]

Weeks

[halcyon cloud]

books are good, i can make fun bracelets

uhhhh

[wheat sail]

muslims wouldnt take it

[halcyon cloud]

wood working

[opaque sigil]

you couldn't really

[obsidian owl]

so you are 12 years old it's over

[oblique musk]

explain

[lone crown]

Muslims would rather die than eat it

[opaque sigil]

the issue with world hunger isn't just having enough food it's infrastructure to distribute it

[obsidian owl]

discord get his ass

[violet path]

YOU couldnt i could

[coarse leaf]

not really? if you're specifically asking about our idea of time it is something that is limited to what we are able to observe in the universe. which is what was being asked before

[twilit vector]

how does the unlimited bacon work exactly, do we spawn it in, is there an infinite bag of it, or does it just spawn in and destroy the universe

[obsidian owl]

not true

[violet path]

Noo im 16 >:(

[lone crown]

Wait im wrong

I remebmered something

[wheat sail]

isnt it not haram if they are starving actually 🤔

[obsidian owl]

you're allowed to eat pork if you need it to survive

[violet path]

Actually ya this is true

I learned from my ap human class

[lone crown]

A specific thing mentioned where if you're under critical circumstances and if there are absolutely no other food alternatives and you're about to die of hunger, you're allowed to

[violet path]

Thats why neo malthus or whatever the fuck its called is stupid

[lone crown]

My bad for forgetting smh

[twilit vector]

the original poster was talking about time as a whole, not the human perception of time

[coarse leaf]

the fuck is human class

[halcyon cloud]

it is true! but having an unlimited food supply wouldnt hurt

[wheat sail]

if you have infinite bacon you can send infinite amou8nts and if 1% of it doesnt go bad you give that

[obsidian owl]

yeah, which applies to world hunger

[wheat sail]

and 1% of inifnite is infinite

[violet path]

Ap human geography

[halcyon cloud]

you can remove a lot of the costs that come with the food gathering process

[wheat sail]

so you get infinite food

[violet path]

Really interesting class actually

[coarse leaf]

ah

[oblique musk]

Simply build infrastructure out of the bacon

[halcyon cloud]

and if its like, a magic bag i pull food out of

[coarse leaf]

well in that case for all we know since infinity

i actually took that ive just mever heard anyone call it human class

[halcyon cloud]

you can just create assembly lines for packaging

[opaque sigil]

that would be pretty bad infrastructure

[lone crown]

I took AP HuGeo and got a 2 on the exam, i didn't give a flying fuck about the exam I just liked the class

[oblique musk]

Still infrastructure

[wheat sail]

why not make every person on earth go to a bacon distribution center

in america

people can already all fit in the grand canyon

[coarse leaf]

we don't and never will know how the universe came into existence or if it just always existed

[lone crown]

AP US Gov...

Dear god

[oblique musk]

Or alternatively, you could sell your bacon in order to afford more infrastructure and distrubute more bacon

[obsidian owl]

huge geo

[halcyon cloud]

^^ is the bacon good, bad, or middling bacon?

[wheat sail]

unless you control the flow of bacon infinite bacon would make it worthless in money

[short shoal]

i hate history classes, who cares what some dead people did. If it aint in a science book i dont care

[lone crown]

Huge Geo

[obsidian owl]

i sure love capitalism

[violet path]

Dang how you get a 2

Shoulda studied

Shoulda locked in with mr sinn

[oblique musk]

It says you get unlimited bacon, implying you have sole control over it unless you choose to give it to someone else.

[short shoal]

AP tests are out of 5

[lone crown]

I didnt need the credits

[violet path]

Im very aware

I got a 4

[twilit vector]

but surely if everybody had a baseline food source it would drag down the prices of other foods since they arent a necessity any more

[lone crown]

And i was occupied with AP calc

[short shoal]

2 is passing no?

[wheat sail]

that might be the case indeed

[violet path]

No 3 is

For some colleges

4 is more stable

[wheat sail]

anyways iom hungry

[lone crown]

4 is accepted

[violet path]

And 5 pretty much all colleges accept

[short shoal]

i made 3s and 4s so i didnt know

[wheat sail]

fuck you all

[violet path]

I took ap human as a freshy im taking ap calc now

[lone crown]

Also I was a lazy mf in high school

[violet path]

AB because i have a life

[oblique musk]

Sure, but not everybody is gonna have a baseline food source, unless you are able to effectively distribute the bacon. We don't have world hunger for a lack of food, we have it for a lack of distribution.

[lone crown]

Only got straight A's through doing things the easy way/bare minimum

[short shoal]

AP human?

[coarse leaf]

this is always a thing i love to think about because if the universe has existed since infinity and will continue to exist into infinity (assuming the heat death of the universe doesn't actually happen) then at what point did all the matter that makes everything up come to be. most matter in the universe is thought to have come from stars but where did the matter that made up those stars come from in the first place. it's all fascinating and unfortunately will never be possible to find a sure answer to. it's in cases like this where kinda get why people wanna believe in a higher power that created everything because it's kind of existentially frightening to think about otherwise sometimes

[twilit vector]

this depends greatly on how the unlimited bacon is given to you in the question

[lone crown]

You better pass

Taking math class in college as a prerequisite (if required/applicable to you) is doodoo water

[wheat sail]

What if we have infinite bacon but eating the bacon causes severe pain to a random person

[lone crown]

Becaue you already know everything they teach

[twilit vector]

the universe most likely has not existed since infinity

[violet path]

I dont watch any of the videos and do barely any of the required work in ap calc lol

[short shoal]

jokes on you, we are in the outer wilds timeline, enjoy your next 12 minutes

[oblique musk]

Coward (i also took AB sophomore year)

[violet path]

Again ap human geography

[coarse leaf]

damn!!!!!!!

[violet path]

My bestie took bc sophomore year

[lone crown]

It didnt matter than none of my 3 AP classes didnt give me credits anyway

Free ride to college anyway

[wheat sail]

I think I know

[violet path]

I took 3 ap classes freshmen year

2 ap one aice sophomore year

[lone crown]

You need help

[violet path]

And im taking 3 aice one ap for my junior and senior yesr

[oblique musk]

I think I got a total of like 12 credits from AP classes

[twilit vector]

having to pay for college is genuinely insane to me

[violet path]

So in total 15 aice/ap

[lone crown]

If you get all those credits thats like an entire college semester's worth (full time)

[violet path]

On top of chamber orchestra

[wheat sail]

Pay money to get money

[violet path]

Ive passed them all so far and done well

[wheat sail]

Unless you're going Harvard for a arts degree idk

[violet path]

Im so pissed i didnt get 5s on my fucking aps last year

[lone crown]

You are ridiculous

[violet path]

It was appc and ap world and i was so locked in on both those classes

[twilit vector]

in a lot of countries its no money to get money

[livid tree]

i couldnt take ap classes cause i missed too much school from being hospitalized

[wheat sail]

But if you are getting an arts degree at Harvard you're rich anyway

[lone crown]

If you keep this up you're graduating hella early (college)

[violet path]

And got 4s somehow

[coarse leaf]

saying it "most likely" hasn't isn't really logical. afaik we have no real way to gauge the age of the universe other than the basic statement of "it is incredibly, unimaginably old" and assuming everything has to have had a definitive beginning to it is inherently flawed imo, because we have no real way of being confident of that at all

[violet path]

I thought i cooked something splendid on both exams too

Im still salty asf

[violet path]

What for

[oblique musk]

Probably eating trees

[violet path]

I missed a shit ton of school last year for medical reasons its not fun

[lone crown]

"Hell yeah i definitely cooked"
(Gets a failing grade)

[twilit vector]

we know the time since the big bang, which is commonly agreed on by scientists as the 'beginning of the universe'

[violet path]

4 is a good pass

I just really thought it got the 5s

Sigh

[violet path]

Im taking duals too

Duels

Duals

[lone crown]

I love gaslighting myself into thinking I did great when I fail miserably

[twilit vector]

1-5 is such a bad grading scale

[violet path]

It really isnt

[twilit vector]

theres too few options

[violet path]

There really arent

[halcyon cloud]

cant argue with that logic ig

[livid tree]

mental illness

[lone crown]

Sure it's 1-5 but the numbers themselves have point ranges

[violet path]

Theres 3 levels of passing-mastery that colleges can accept

Based on how tough they are

[twilit vector]

do they?

[livid tree]

pissed me tf off because i did really well before that

[lone crown]

Like for example the entire exam could be 180 pts, and let's say getting a 5 requires you get 159-180

[violet path]

However many points you get determines your percentage which determines what you got 1-5

[halcyon cloud]

im sorry :( that sucks ass, i had to miss a lot of highschool for autoimmune shit and that was awful

[violet path]

And thats on a scale based on how people have done

[violet path]

Oh

[naive geode]

Mental health is important

[twilit vector]

i thought you meant you could get like a 4.5

[neon adder]

Who wins
Goku or Triangle Man

[livid tree]

yeah now im fking behind in college cause of that too

[twilit vector]

triangle

[naive geode]

Tugg speedman

[lone crown]

Giant Enemy Fool

[violet path]

Ya like i said medical visits can be a bitch i had to prep for a major chest surgery and they called me in during school constantly

[twilit vector]

actually no goku is gokuversal

[wheat sail]

the come back is better than the set back

[livid tree]

yall are lucky to be able to go to school like that

[naive geode]

Copyright pls ty

[lone crown]

That's MY copyright

I own the rights to Giant Enemy Fool

[violet path]

The academic comeback never stops

[coarse leaf]

i'm aware, but that 1) doesn't provide any explanation for where the matter and molecules propelled outward into the emptiness by the big bang came from in the first place, nor do i really agree with the idea that the assumed empty expanse that existed before shouldn't be qualified as the universe still. just because there was nothing in that space at one point doesn't mean that that space didn't exist

[livid tree]

whatever im a painter going to art school nobodys gonna gaf about my grades
not that people care about your grades even if youre an academic

[lone crown]

I used to be an academic-comebacker but now i'm in college and demotivated and depressed

[halcyon cloud]

school was a major downturn for my mental health honestly, just the constant deadlines with no real payoff until the very end, it was very difficult for me

[twilit vector]

its not that there was nothing inside space, its that there was no space

[opaque sigil]

the big bang was the beginning of spacetime

[lone crown]

Its awful

[wheat sail]

just go into accounting its easy

[violet path]

Really? Didnt it come out in like the 2000s

[lone crown]

Friends i had were great but the whole autonomy of it all got to me

[violet path]

I can count

[opaque sigil]

'before' is a temporal relation there is no before spacetime

[naive geode]

Why are we nerding out still

[twilit vector]

there is only during spacetime

[violet path]

I just care way more about violin than academics

My gpas already cooked anyways

[twilit vector]

because i need to own the libs

[coarse leaf]

why do we assume that though? i'm aware of the scientific basis for the idea that the big bang is what propelled matter outwards and began forming astral bodies, but what basis exists on the theory that that space did not exist before?

[lone crown]

Bro is playing life on hard mode

Most dificult instrument as a hobby with 20 APs

[coarse leaf]

because talking about cool things is fun

[violet path]

I talk to people who are like “omg my unweighted is ruined” and then its 3.8

[twilit vector]

the fact that the universe is finite in size is a pretty good one

[violet path]

I just hope my weighted can carry my unweighted

[naive geode]

You’re cool Sammy

[lone crown]

I thought I was him with my near-4.0 gpa then I see fuckers with actual 4's and weighteds that go to like 4.4 or 4.5

[coarse leaf]

the idea that the universe is finite is not THE commonly accepted theory. it's just about as plausible and accepted as the universe being infinite, that's not something we know for sure

[naive geode]

But what would it change if its finite or not

[twilit vector]

we do know the universe is not infinite in size nor age

i can explain both if you want

[violet path]

My unweighted is hopefully around 3.6 ish and my weighteds around 5.4?

Im not sure the exact numbrs

[naive geode]

5.4 gpa Woaw

[violet path]

Ik people with over 6

As juniors

[naive geode]

My cote r is 29,00

Checkmate liberals

[twilit vector]

owned the libs once again

[coarse leaf]

i just don't get the idea at its base that what was present before the big bang was not the universe. why do we only qualify what came after as the universe? why do we say that the matter propelled outwards defined the space rather than simply filling it?

[violet path]

Idk what that means

[violet path]

Checkmate atheists

[naive geode]

Another thing to weigh your grades or whatever

[naive geode]

It’s because of god

[short crescent]

why is there a philosophical discussion in here what

[coarse leaf]

please don't apply religion to my argument, i get that it's a half joke but i don't appreciate that

[twilit vector]

matter and space are not related, what youre doing is taking space as a universal constant that is always there, while space is something that only exists within the confines of our universe.

[naive geode]

I’m sorry Sammy

[knotty root]

Man, Grindle is so awesome

[naive geode]

What’s grindle

[violet path]

Atheists struggling to comprehend how the big bang happened (mustve been darwin)

[lone crown]

I imagine reverb fart sfx when the big bang happened

[twilit vector]

pretty sure newton started the big bang, get owned, another r/atheism classic

[short crescent]

we can't know anything anyways so :3

[violet path]

Ohh

[twilit vector]

dumb take

[obsidian owl]

everywhere you pay at least something, somehow

[violet path]

That makes sense

Is that why force is measured in newtons

[twilit vector]

id rather pay taxes than out of pocket

[lone crown]

Maybe Socrates knows the origin of the universe

[violet path]

Because the big bang was a big forcr

[violet path]

Ask him

Oh wait

[grand ferry]

people who are founders of like 10 non-profit, captain of [insert sport], president of student council, pro violinist, scholarship bursary recipient at 18

[short crescent]

say that to literally every skeptical philosopher

[twilit vector]

if socrates was around nowadays i feel like he would browse reddit

[lone crown]

Professional surgeon after leaving the womb

[coarse leaf]

genuine question here, are we even certain that there's an end to what we define as our universe? because as i understand it the universe is far more vast than we can actually observe, so how exactly are we certain that our idea of the universe has an edge to it?

[violet path]

Idk man

[lone crown]

No the crazy part is so many of them had 4's

and above

Even my friends

[violet path]

The universe is constantly expanding

[twilit vector]

we know that the universe is finite in size simply because it has a start point (the singularity) and a finite age, so it cant be infinite in size

[violet path]

All the stuff started from the big bang and is pushing outward

[lone crown]

I should throw myself into a black hole for science

[violet path]

Do itt

[twilit vector]

yes you should

[violet path]

Doesnt time dilate so like youre trapped forever

Thats scary

Not for me

[obsidian owl]

well even then you pay something. in the university of vienna for example you pay a tuition of about 751€ as a non eu citizen, while eu citizens pay 388€

[lone crown]

I want to be turned to pasta

[violet path]

Theres public community colleges built from taxes

[twilit vector]

you would get to see countless supernovae, the life and death of the universe. it sounds kinda cool actually

[violet path]

Your eyes would be spaghet i think

So you wouldnt see that

[twilit vector]

community reference

[twilit vector]

after a while yes

[coarse leaf]

maybe i'm just not science brained enough but i still just don't get why what we define as space is only that which is between matter rather than the assumed infinity of nothing that the matter is ever-expanding out into

what makes the nothing between matter space but not the nothing outside of it

[violet path]

Uhh because

[west edge]

what are your opinions on a grilled cheese made using only cheese

[violet path]

Boom phew that clears things up

[twilit vector]

its like trying to define zero except harder because im trying to define it against what is like an imaginary number

[violet path]

Zero is just zero

Are you dumb

[twilit vector]

its really difficult to conceptualise

[violet path]

No its not

If i have one cheesestick and i eat it have 0 cheesesticks

[west edge]

but how would it be so advanced if it just started?

[twilit vector]

im talking about the difference between space and the lack of space outside the universe

[violet path]

It started a while ago i think

[west edge]

thus something existed before it and advanved then made the boom

[violet path]

Not sure good question

[violet path]

Idk God

[west edge]

i believe the holy banana existed

[violet path]

Thats conceptually accurate

[west edge]

the true source of the univers

[obsidian owl]

there is nothing nothing outside of the universe. it is all there is to be. an infinite space of nothingness would be a part of the universe. the universe is expanding but it's not expanding into anything; it just is.

[coarse leaf]

i guess for the sake of science and convenience of studies it makes sense why we don't count what we assume to be infinity as space but i just think it's neat to think about on a logical not purely scientific level

[violet path]

Pretty neat

[violet path]

Define 0 as the number of girls youve talked to

[coarse leaf]

because on a logical level there's no true reason why that emptiness couldn't also be counted as space when there's already impossible stretches of nothing between the clouds and masses of matter that make up galaxies, but again i get the scientific point of it because everything would just be complicated by counting that emptiness

[obsidian owl]

no, you misunderstand

there is no emptiness around the universe

[violet path]

Theres nothing

[twilit vector]

i think what youre going wrong with is thinking about physical space as being empty or 'nothing', even if it doesnt contain matter it still follows the laws of physics and other stuff. outside of the universe there is simply nothing. no matter, no laws of physics, no constants, nothing. its difficult to explain because there isnt any comparisons to make

[obsidian owl]

emptiness is still a thing

[violet path]

Not some placeholder space that something could move into rn

Theres jack shit

[coarse leaf]

again though why do we assume that

[violet path]

We just know idk

[coarse leaf]

we have zero way of actually knowing that

[violet path]

My science teacher told me

[obsidian owl]

we don't. whether or not the universe is infinite or just huge is still debated

no way to verify either way because the observable universe is a real limit for us humans

[twilit vector]

because the big bang created space time, so it existing outside the bounds of the universe just doesnt really make sense

[violet path]

To answer "what is the universe expanding into?" is tricky. The answer is straightforward: nothing. But explaining why is hard. When you blow up a balloon, it expands out into space that was occupied by the air, we naturally understand this. But that's an example of a higher-dimensional embedding: the balloon's rubber is a (curved) 2D surface embedded in 3D space. In the case of our universe, it isn't pushing out into some external space, it's just that the distances between very far apart galaxies are getting bigger.

[neon adder]

Shoutout to MacDonald’s coca-cola for being one of the only beverages that can chemically change my stomach acid into nuclear waste

[violet path]

So basically

Thats just a theory?

[wheat sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/915180263003267094/987024373829480469/939044602499960852.gif

[twilit vector]

this is what im struggling with

[violet path]

The universe is defined as everything that exists

[trim estuary]

A gaaaame t

[obsidian owl]

there not being anything outside of the universe? no, regardless, there is nothing that the universe is expanding into

[warped girder]

Other way to see it is that it's outside of the visible universe and the universe itself we don't even know if the laws of the universe work outside of the universe we can't assume there's space

[coarse leaf]

what defines emptiness though. as far as we know there's no physical wall that will ever stop the expansion of matter outwards, so what would you define what it's expanding into as? how is it logically any different from the nothing that exists between galaxies, like i said before?

[violet path]

So if something is “outside” the universe, itd be defined as not existing

[obsidian owl]

the nothing that exists between galaxies is a part of the universe and therefore all of its laws apply

[violet path]

See the joke is

[copper knot]

hi chat havent talked here in ages

[twilit vector]

what youre doing is thinking about the universe as the equivalent of a balloon in space, with matter inside and nothing outside. there is no outside the universe, there is only inside

[obsidian owl]

yo cat boy sans how you doin

[violet path]

Hi sigma

[copper knot]

i can never escape that nickname

[obsidian owl]

it was a pfp too

[violet path]

We talkin about the universe

[obsidian owl]

you chose this whole heartedly

[coarse leaf]

i just think that's a kind of limiting way for science to view stuff then i guess

[warped girder]

Space time is a concept that makes sense cause it's in our universe it could be different out there on a technicality time doesn't really make sense outside of the universe and so does space since they are connected

[twilit vector]

'outside the universe' is, in itself, an oxymoron

[violet path]

Thats how it be

[copper knot]

im no longer catboy sans :(

[obsidian owl]

you can't have something outside of the thing that is the definition of all things

[copper knot]

hes dead, i shot him

[twilit vector]

its not limiting if its true

[obsidian owl]

murderer wtf

[violet path]

The universe is a concept as much as it is a physical place

And by a physical place i mean all physical place

[copper knot]

hint: you can tell my current hyperfixation based on my pfp

[twilit vector]

i hate physics on a large scale its so odd to explain

[copper knot]

it changes like every 2 months

[violet path]

I cant

[twilit vector]

i much prefer particle physics

[violet path]

But i love the cave diver reference

[obsidian owl]

idk is that star against the evil of the universe

[violet path]

Fuck no

Physics succksss

[copper knot]

what

[twilit vector]

physics goated stay mad haters

[obsidian owl]

i forgot the full name

?av 293074284098748416

[white sail]

akivaq

Server Avatar

[obsidian owl]

what is this

[violet path]

Physics mad interesting when youre NOT taking a class on it

[warped girder]

Yeah well semantics don't define our understanding of everything so I guess that's an L on our part

[twilit vector]

i feel like ive seen it before

[copper knot]

my husband

[obsidian owl]

catboy sans got married damn

[violet path]

Im not gay but i would marry saquon barkley

[copper knot]

https://tenor.com/view/sebastian-sebastian-solace-pressure-file-joker-gif-13477638822594476525

[trim estuary]

That's Sebastian Solace

[copper knot]

ding ding ding

[violet path]

MPA tomorrow that’s infinitely more important than the universe

[obsidian owl]

goofy ass

[twilit vector]

can somebody ask me a question again i want to look smart in front of the huzz

[coarse leaf]

why do we only view the matter that made us and the astral bodies we understand as the definition of all things though. again i understand why from a scientific point because not putting a limit on our understanding of what is defined as the universe would over complicate the scientific process in astronomy but my mind is purely on the logical side of things right now because frankly i've never understood jack shit about most natural science aside from some passing fascination with things like space

[copper knot]

HES SO CUTE<3

[trim estuary]

How much mass could the average human body lose before death occurs

[violet path]

You lost me

We define what exists as what exists

[twilit vector]

im not doing allat 😔

[copper knot]

how many times do you need to slap a chicken to cook it

[violet path]

Like 5000

[obsidian owl]

think about it this way: before the big bang, there were no laws of physics. no time. no space. just nothing. with it, the universe came into existence, bringing alongside it all these things
everything outside of the universe, whatever that may look like, would not have any of these things

[lone crown]

Didnt someone cook chicken with a slapping machine before

[prime parrot]

hello chat my name is markiplier

[twilit vector]

how much chicken

[cedar trench]

cook is a very strong word

[lone crown]

Or more like

Uh

[copper knot]

uhh lets just say the breast

[cedar trench]

like yeah

[warped girder]

Well we don't... We know most of the universe is dark matter and dark energy and we can't see that even tho it interacts with gravity

[cedar trench]

i'm sat

[twilit vector]

what weight of chicken

[cedar trench]

oh nvm

[coarse leaf]

but wouldn't some natural laws have to have existed to set all that into motion in the first place