sk-discussion

[violet path]

TRUEE

[cedar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-dash-jester-gif-18367385577426392505

[violet path]

I could do a better job

[digital junco]

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-president-pointing-smile-gif-15913718

[ripe cliff]

I feel like "one sucks, the other is perfect and impossible to criticize" is an even less constructive way to look at it

[opaque sigil]

Nobody is saying that

[violet path]

Lebron is perfect though

He’s my sunshine after all

[opaque sigil]

Criticize democrats and vote for them

[fiery burrow]

santa would maybe make a good president since he knows how naughty everyone is

[coarse leaf]

you're making up an argument that nobody here was making

[violet path]

No thanks because i cant vote anyways

[ripe cliff]

agreed

[opaque sigil]

You can in fact do both

[violet path]

Too young

[olive bobcat]

Oh no is the next Euphonium episode gonna be a beach episode

[strange night]

Dr Robotnik should be president because he'd piss on the moon

[violet path]

Shoot i gotta start watching more

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-eggman-pisses-on-the-moon-gif-11033310465180447999

[violet path]

THATS NOT WHAT HE SAYS

[strange night]

I'm so fucking glad it was in the movie

[olive bobcat]

Dude two times

[strange night]

Sonic 3 was such peak

[opaque sigil]

Voting isn’t some like spiritual endorsement of who you like it’s your strategic move to influence politics

[violet path]

Ive come to make an announcement

[strange night]

I watched that shit twice bro

[coarse leaf]

unless you just meant in general and not in regards to this specific conversation

[olive bobcat]

When the ship started showing the Eggman face

I leaned to my friend and was like "he's pissing on the moon!"

[violet path]

And i will strategically vote 3rd party

[olive bobcat]

And then he DID

[ripe cliff]

wasn't trying to make an arguement sorry just saying that there are worse ways to view the election rather than saying both parties are bad

[coarse leaf]

which yeah there's plenty of people who act like the democratic party can do no wrong

[olive bobcat]

Sonic 3 was so peak

[opaque sigil]

That’s not strategic, that’s throwing your vote away

[fiery burrow]

ideally

[opaque sigil]

It’s a waste of what little influence you have

Don’t vote third party

[ripe cliff]

absolutely

[violet path]

Its my theoretical vote

[olive bobcat]

I get voting third party as a principle thing, like Palestinians not supporting either side, but it's not strategic

[ripe cliff]

you see a lot of that kind of polarization on social media, obviously

[strange night]

I should replay sonic adventure 2 again

[opaque sigil]

It’s stupid in principle too

[violet path]

When the elections over and i see the 1% gleek party vote i can be like “hey i contributed”

[coarse leaf]

please once you can actually vote, vote for the better side that actually has any chance of being elected. if you vote for third party, you went out and voted for quite literally nothing

[fiery burrow]

The Gleeok party will be the death of Hyrule though

[violet path]

I would rather not vote than cast a vote maintaining the 2 party system, unless one of the candidates actually represented my beliefs

[olive bobcat]

Odds are you'd be contributing to something worse too

[violet path]

Gleek sweep 2028

[opaque sigil]

Good for you that you see your sense of self satisfaction and self righteousness as more important than protecting people’s rights

Cuz that’s what it is

[coarse leaf]

not voting is not going to change the two party system unless there was some mass exodus from the voting booths, and even then it likely wouldn't change anything. you are being purely selfish in that decision

[opaque sigil]

Prioritizing feeling better about yourself over actually minimizing harm sucks

Don’t do it

[violet path]

Well theres 340000000 people in the states

I dont think my one vote was gonna do much anyways

[opaque sigil]

You don’t get to claim special moral position in a society

[olive bobcat]

And the other votes didn't matter either?

[opaque sigil]

You behave in the way people in that society should behave to make everything better for everyone

[coarse leaf]

this is the mentality of you a tons of other people that don't go out and vote or vote for a third party, and you know what happens when a bunch of people of one political stance aren't going out and voting? the way the vote sways changes

[ripe cliff]

that kind of mentality is what prevents people en masse from making a positive difference

[opaque sigil]

This is like basic morality shit

[opaque sigil]

it's like the prototypical "well surely it doesn't matter if I litter" kinda logic

[fiery burrow]

Killing 5 turtles couldn't hurt

[opaque sigil]

while technically true, you can't just give yourself special privileges you have to recognize that society benefits from people acting in certain ways and act that way yourself

[coarse leaf]

disappointingly the most people i see being selfish pieces of shit and going "i'm not voting" because they're single-issue voters who feel some non-existent moral superiority are in fact left-leaning voters

[ripe cliff]

"what difference does it make if i recycle?"

[opaque sigil]

and of the two halves of the political spectrum likely to do protest voting it's not the rapidly increasedly fascist one doing it

[coarse leaf]

kamala harris is a zionist. fuck her for that, she sucks, but the genocide in palestine is not the only bad thing going on in the world right now, and kamala harris had policies that could genuinely do some good for domestic US problems and protecting the rights of some marginalized people

[pine frost]

Who put politics in my silk

[versed pollen]

The political gamers

The woke agenda is coming for you

[fiery burrow]

HK was already woke

Despicable honestly

[coarse leaf]

they call me the monster from the woke lagoon

[opaque sigil]

carving they/them onto bullets as we speak

[fiery burrow]

though who in the woke content detector ships Nola and Cloth? 🤨

[violet path]

I dont believe in a damage control voting system, and the only way to get rid of that system would be to vote 3rd party

[versed pollen]

They Slash Them

[fiery burrow]

lmao what

how would voting third party do that

[opaque sigil]

TRUE that should go on a sword, one on each side of the blade

[opaque sigil]

it won't

[ripe cliff]

it would.. effectively do nothing?

[opaque sigil]

it's exactly doing nothing

[coarse leaf]

you understand that adding a third party to the damage control voting system would only do just that

[fiery burrow]

ostrich type take

[opaque sigil]

this is the reason people make that argument

to feel better about having just done nothing

the american political system is on fire you can vote for milquetoast dems or fascists

[violet path]

Huh

[coarse leaf]

if the third party was legitimized as a candidate that could actually win, it wouldn't bring about some massive radical change, there would just be now a third person to actually consider

[wheat sail]

democracy sucks. most of you shouldnt be able to vote

[pine frost]

I’m like ten levels under leveled in metaphor this is rough

[violet path]

Thats logical

[versed pollen]

Kirb you might be cooking...

[fiery burrow]

who would your pets vote for

[versed pollen]

Probably my dad

[carmine island]

My cat is 8 he is far too young to vote

[violet path]

What about in human year

[carmine island]

He is 8 in human years

[violet path]

Oh

Thats confusing

[violet path]

I would gladly take that

[carmine island]

You have to be over 18 to vote

[violet path]

Anything other than blue and red

[carmine island]

At least that’s how it works in aus

[coarse leaf]

you're assuming that the third party will be on some wholly superior moral level to the candidates in the two primary parties in this argument. like can you explain to me exactly how in your eyes this would magically fix the way things work now

[violet path]

Because blue and red dont get popular by trying to actually represent the beliefs of voters they get popular by being loud and being blue and red

[opaque sigil]

do you know why primaries exist

[olive bobcat]

And any other party will never be popular, you're throwing your vote away

[violet path]

As is my right

[fiery burrow]

If I do nothing for long enough maybe something will change

[opaque sigil]

you have the right not to vote, doesn't make it not a jackass decision

[coarse leaf]

it's your right yes, nobody ever argued it wasn't but you presented your argument here so people have every right to criticize your selfishness

[carmine island]

I do?

[opaque sigil]

you have the right to prioritize your own self gratification over actually picking the option that leads to a better world

but you shouldn't

[carmine island]

2025 muffin will be a selfish asshole

[opaque sigil]

in fact you have the right to do a lot of things you shouldn't do

a good system allows for people to be assholes doesn't mean you can't call em out for it

[warped prairie]

What is going on in here

[fiery burrow]

i don't know do you have any game recommendations

[wheat sail]

subnautica 23

[fiery burrow]

A masterpiece

[strange night]

Sonic adventure 2

[carmine island]

I liked fields of mistria

[warped prairie]

Heard a game called Silksong is pretty good.

[violet path]

Trueee

[strange night]

Play nier automata

[violet path]

My friend likes that game

[opaque sigil]

pop:tlc is 50% off

[carmine island]

It got an update recently

[violet path]

Selfishness?

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hamilton-throw-shot-gif-9021862

[strange night]

It's really good

[olive bobcat]

Fuck

[violet path]

Uh oh

Is it bad

[carmine island]

Red dead redemption 2 is 67% off

[atomic sparrow]

winter sales goes crazy

[olive bobcat]

I don't want girls in swimsuits I want trumpets and flutes and drums and euphoniums

[violet path]

Ya it let me buy helldivers

And peak halla cyberpunk bartender

[atomic sparrow]

I don't want girls in swimsuits I want silksong

[violet path]

Oh brother

[carmine island]

Aren’t they in high school?

[wheat sail]

i dont mind swimsuits

i just dont like it when they insist upon themselves

[violet path]

Theyre freshmen

[olive bobcat]

At least I'm getting this episode out of the way while my pizza cooks

[olive bobcat]

Yep

[opaque sigil]

it's anime what do you expect

[fiery burrow]

yay objectification

This is why we should kill animation

[olive bobcat]

I mean so far it's nothing bad but it's unnecessary

[carmine island]

So like 14

[fiery burrow]

ghibli wouldn't do this

[strange night]

On the topic of objectifying teenagers how about my hero academia

[violet path]

You know whats even more unnecessary, the mc having her hair down, it lowkey looked so much cooler in the ponytail in episode 1

[carmine island]

That’s why ghibli is peak

[atomic sparrow]

what does ghibli even mean

[violet path]

Probably

[strange night]

Studio Ghibli

[olive bobcat]

Ghibli would do something awesome like make the girl small and have her be friends with a rat or smth

[warped prairie]

i don’t want girls, i want life sized spearmaster plushie
-# girls would be rad too…

[olive bobcat]

She ties it up sometimes but I think it looks better down

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hayao-miyazaki-gif-11280657

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/sound-hibike-euphonium-kumiko-oumae-gif-284618327153669550

[violet path]

It looks stupid down

[fiery burrow]

Arrietty and Ponyo my goats

[olive bobcat]

You look stupid

[violet path]

Do not!

[olive bobcat]

Don't diss my goat Kumiko

[atomic sparrow]

do i look stupid

[strange night]

I like howls moving castle

[olive bobcat]

Fr fr

[strange night]

Obviously

[olive bobcat]

I love Arrietty

[strange night]

Everyone looks

Stupid

[atomic sparrow]

so you too

[violet path]

The inly character i like so far is that guy

[strange night]

Yeah

[violet path]

Idk anyones name

[olive bobcat]

Professor Taki?

[strange night]

That guy

[carmine island]

I will cry about this tonight

[violet path]

No

[olive bobcat]

The random HS boy?

[violet path]

I think he was main character girls childhood friend

[olive bobcat]

Tsu-something

[strange night]

https://tenor.com/view/madden-gif-23703776

[violet path]

Probably

[violet path]

I like him

[olive bobcat]

He's boring

Important but boring

[violet path]

You’re boring

[olive bobcat]

Am not!

[violet path]

Shrue

[strange night]

Dolm

[violet path]

Not a cat

[ripe cliff]

fish

[olive bobcat]

Anyways there's character development now I gotta lock in

[violet path]

Have fun

Im gonna go watch episode 3

[fiery burrow]

Beach episode, character development? What is this, Avatar?!

[carmine island]

I hate it when they put character development in fan servicy episodes

[coarse leaf]

i'm gonna go back to playing metaphor in a second but just to put my last two cents in, instead of making the argument "but it's not selfish! it's to make the system better!" take a step back and understand that the third party has never even once come CLOSE to winning the presidency in a singular election. you are not going to make a change to that track record by throwing away your vote every year. no matter how much you try to argue otherwise, the decision to either not vote or vote for the third party is purely, PURELY to make yourself feel better because yes, democratic candidates ALSO often have their shitty policies and complete moral failings. whether you like the system the way it is now or not, voting to protect the rights of people is going to do far more good for the current state of the country than casting your vote off into the void will. instead of doing innocuous self-gratifying shit, try to find ways to actually push change in the system as you get older. you can engage in the two party system while also not liking it, it does unfortunately perpetuate it but i really don't get how you're failing to understand the selfishness that lies in the alternative

[wheat sail]

As an intellectual, character development is my fan service

[ripe cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-based-gif-14066805759704587318

[carmine island]

See kirb gets it

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-yor-forger-based-department-phone-uh-hello-gif-27583186

[heavy magnet]

i get why peak means good, but why does mid mean bad instead of fair, and based also means good

[fiery burrow]

Stop asking mid questions

[violet path]

Well itll be 4 years until the first presidential election i can vote in anyways so we’ll see the state my country is in then and i’ll make my decision off of that

[carmine island]

Ngl Yor uses the phone far too much she’s sapping up the citys power supply

[violet path]

Mid means average, but because theres a looooot of shit out there, if something is popular itd be good to be way above average and not sink into the average

[heavy magnet]

i guess being average is actually the worst

[coarse leaf]

because the younger end of the human race has collectively lost the ability to speak in sentences with words longer than two syllables

[atomic sparrow]

nuh uh

[fiery burrow]

who let grandma on discord

[atomic sparrow]

"skibidi"

[wheat sail]

Yo mama

[coarse leaf]

fuck that is three syllables

[atomic sparrow]

yep...

[coarse leaf]

my entire argument has fallen apart

[atomic sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/allmight-bnha-mha-meme-fist-up-gif-13588517052470008833

[violet path]

Oh my gosh sectionals!

Like in orchestra

[olive bobcat]

So the teacher is single 👁️👁️

[violet path]

Whoever plays outside is the cooledt

Because us violins have to do our sectionals outside

[olive bobcat]

Actually I hate her

Actually I lied

I'm coming around to her a bit

[carmine island]

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-cat-funny-cat-meme-cute-gif-4770784610413068186

[olive bobcat]

But she sucks at the start imo

[heavy magnet]

yey it back

[covert gyro]

silksong out yet bros

[atomic sparrow]

nope

[violet path]

Only good beach episodes ive seen are in saiki

[covert gyro]

aight

[violet path]

Isnt the teacher a guy

[sharp idol]

okay I have a werid question

[kindred pewter]

why am I getting relationship advice videos....chat I feel like this is a sign chat

[atomic sparrow]

no it's not

[violet path]

Or is that a clinician

[carmine island]

Go for it

[olive bobcat]

I mean the girl who plays outside

[sharp idol]

what is your favorite dere type

[kindred pewter]

hey guys

[olive bobcat]

Also look at her she's so awesome

[olive bobcat]

My laundere

[carmine island]

Wtf she looks silly and whimsical

[sharp idol]

for my it is yandere

[kindred pewter]

since when did instrument band anime become eating anime

[atomic sparrow]

bruh

[carmine island]

?

[olive bobcat]

They're at a practice camp rn

[wheat sail]

i am a tsundere... BAKAAAA BAKAKAKAAAAAA

[carmine island]

Like deer?

[carmine island]

Oh

[kindred pewter]

kirb you stink you suck you'll be alone forever

[carmine island]

Ok then

[wheat sail]

your mothr

[coarse leaf]

concerning

[sharp idol]

agreed

[violet path]

Hair up cooler

[olive bobcat]

(Lie)

[violet path]

I do like camp as a setting though so i need to watch faster

That arc in my hero was entertaining

[olive bobcat]

Nah nah you gotta enjoy it

The season finale is really satisfying

[violet path]

Well ya im not actually gonna watch faster

Crunchy cant do that

[olive bobcat]

Anyways brb I gotta focus

[violet path]

I hope this girl breaks the bass

[sharp idol]

I wonder how many of gallons of beer does it take to kill a human being

[violet path]

Theyre 2000 dollars on the cheap end

[violet path]

8

[coarse leaf]

probably not very many

[atomic sparrow]

like 2

[sharp idol]

I would say it would be like 5 and 10

oh my god we are a brain piloting a skeleton with muscles with skin as the coat of paint

[coarse leaf]

absolutely not. even water which is probably the healthiest liquid for you is dangerous to drink more than a gallon of within an hour, so assuming this is 5-10 gallons within a short time span it would take far far far less beer to kill a person

[sharp idol]

okay

[carmine island]

Oh he’s a 13 year old with too much internet access

[sharp idol]

so favorite horror movie or game villain

[sharp idol]

bro 4 years to late

[coarse leaf]

so you're a 17 year old who's only just now making basic observations about internal human anatomy

awesome

[sharp idol]

to my own question it would be like pyramided head or micheal myers

[violet path]

@olive bobcat why do they tune to 442

Thats horrifying

[carmine island]

Why can’t we have nice normal people join this server?

[coarse leaf]

i'd say this is comparatively normal

[kindred pewter]

me

[carmine island]

Garm you’re insane

[sharp idol]

why did the Mexican dad kill his wife?

[olive bobcat]

Idk I'm not in band

[kindred pewter]

just because my career is being a hater doesn't mean I'm insane

[coarse leaf]

let's not

[sharp idol]

tequila

[wheat sail]

but you are

[carmine island]

No like really I read the newspaper reports about you escaping the hospital

[wheat sail]

hiiii muffin

[carmine island]

Hiiiii kirb

[kindred pewter]

What hospital, I'm no insane-o

[violet path]

Gh

This shows so real though

[sharp idol]

what is your favorite race and class to play in dungons and dragons

[violet path]

With people not practicing

[olive bobcat]

I haven't been in band for like, 8 years

[coarse leaf]

tiefling

[olive bobcat]

Anyways see I told you

All my recommendations are awesome

[carmine island]

Aluo did you see the art I sent you

[sharp idol]

same for me its tiefling and bard

[carmine island]

Hades art

[olive bobcat]

Yeah I glanced tho

Lemme look properly

That's fire

I like the difference

I should play back through Hades 1 sometime

[violet path]

Maybe

But also i hate sub

[olive bobcat]

Very different mood to Hades 2

[violet path]

Every character sounds the same

[wheat sail]

But you have hades too

[olive bobcat]

You're not gonna believe what I'm about to say about dub

[coarse leaf]

i'm quaking and shaking trying to resist buying hades 2 before it's out of early access

[sharp idol]

how long would it take you to figure out if your rice crispy had wood shavings, saw dust or wood chips in them

[violet path]

I mean every character in the show sounds like every other character in the show

[olive bobcat]

Does bro have a conversation starter list open or smth

[violet path]

Thats totally worse than a character sounding like a character from a different show

[coarse leaf]

there's so many really hot gay women in that game and it's making it hard to hold myself back from my usual policy of not buying early access stuff

[wheat sail]

1 bite is all I need if you know what I mean

[violet path]

😭

[wheat sail]

😏

[violet path]

Not saiki k though

Saiki k sub was peak

[carmine island]

Are there hot men as well?

[olive bobcat]

No I mean dub actors sound the same too

[sharp idol]

for me it would be around 5 bits until I suspect something is off

[olive bobcat]

With some exceptions like Bebop

[violet path]

Appropriate because saiki ks dub was 10x even better

[coarse leaf]

of course. but the main character in hades 2 is a woman, the men had their turn in the first game

[olive bobcat]

My thoughts on sub vs dub is whichever fits the setting better

[wheat sail]

A women? 😭

[olive bobcat]

Anyways imma watch the next episode since my pizza is done

[sharp idol]

how many hotdog can you sack on top of each other?

[violet path]

This guy talks like my orchestra teacher

[olive bobcat]

Bisexuals had their fun, now it's bisexuals' turn

[coarse leaf]

TRUE

[carmine island]

I can play the female character

[sharp idol]

I think I can stack around 2 like janga

[coarse leaf]

hades is basically the bisexuals' delight

[ripe cliff]

dude like, in the nicest way possible are you a bot

[woven current]

why are you just throwing these questions without context

[carmine island]

Lol

[wheat sail]

whys vurse so mean

[coarse leaf]

i think you should try engaging in conversations going on instead of trying to start completely new conversations. people aren't gonna engage with you if you do that

[wheat sail]

sheep ^

[carmine island]

Guys he made his account today so he’s new to the internet let’s not be mean

[sharp idol]

so what are you guys talking about

[coarse leaf]

oh wow he did

[ripe cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-6706039355797233433

[carmine island]

You made a pizza?

[ripe cliff]

welcome to discord

[coarse leaf]

speaking from experience

those games are a veritable buffet of hotties of all genders and lackthereof

[carmine island]

One bisexuals dream is still half a gay persons dream

[coarse leaf]

true

[wheat sail]

i found myself yelling GYATT every minute

🍷

[coarse leaf]

that's really unfortunate

[violet path]

LETS GO

[wheat sail]

winter why so grumpy

[coarse leaf]

it's fun to be a grouch

[sharp idol]

do any of you know what castle crashers is

[violet path]

What does that mean

[wheat sail]

thats why your head top be bum bum

[violet path]

Of course

[sharp idol]

hell yeah

[kindred pewter]

kirbstar why so serious

[wheat sail]

midaphor fans when they hear peaksona music

[carmine island]

Bisexual people like two or more genders commonly male and female

[wheat sail]

"OH MY GOD I GET IT

[coarse leaf]

i think just about anyone who was born and online before like 2010-2012 probably knows what castle crashers is

[carmine island]

Gay people like the gender that’s the same as their own

[wheat sail]

im so gender inclusive i literally dont see gender

[carmine island]

So if a bisexual persons dream is being surrounded by hot men and women then that’s half of a gay persons dream

[wheat sail]

everyones the same gender to me

[violet path]

Interesting

[violet path]

Worthless

[coarse leaf]

metaphor has an in-world explanation for its background music 😏

[coarse leaf]

well technically a gay person's dream is half a bisexual's dream if that's what you mean

[wheat sail]

me too

[coarse leaf]

you have background music?

that's awesome man

[wheat sail]

yes

[carmine island]

No

[wheat sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q9Rtd13N1E

[carmine island]

Maybe?

Idk

[coarse leaf]

but.... but one binary gender is half of two binary gender.....

[sharp idol]

a fun fact is that when a napalm is dropped is spins but when another bomb is dropped it falls in a downward in the direction with the plain moving forwards

[carmine island]

Yeah but bisexual people still like men

Or women

Idk

So uh

[sharp idol]

if someone says a robot is non binary that is a paradox since robots are binary in coding

[coarse leaf]

ok man

[ripe cliff]

does this mean she can cast something really stupid to play in someone's head forever

[coarse leaf]

yeah

well not forever there's probably a range on it

[woven current]

Gallica should have played Burning Men Soul in Louis's head

[sharp idol]

rode island has no punishment against cannibalism

[coarse leaf]

if you're just gonna keep on listing fun facts while people are having entirely different conversations could you kindly go to a different channel

[wheat sail]

im like half bi

[fiery burrow]

its like the zone of death in yellowstone

[coarse leaf]

i'm technically pan but i find the distinction between bi and pansexual unnecessary so i just call myself bi and most people understand that that means any gender preference and not just the two binaries

[carmine island]

If person a likes chocolate cake and person b likes both chocolate and vanilla cakes then person b would still enjoy person a’s dream of having chocolate cake but person a would only enjoy half of person b’s dream of having both chocolate and vanilla cake

[coarse leaf]

that's not how being bisexual works.....

[carmine island]

Isn’t it liking two or more genders?

[fiery burrow]

If person b likes both chocolate and vanilla cakes that just means they like Red Velvet

[coarse leaf]

yes but i mean that it doesn't mean they like both genders less than someone who's gay or straight likes one gender

[sharp idol]

what is one thing you hate about anime

[coarse leaf]

the law of equivalent exchange doesn't apply to sexuality i fear

[opaque sigil]

objectification of women

[sharp idol]

for me lolis

[carmine island]

Well then I’ll make it

[sharp idol]

favorite musician or group of musicians

[coarse leaf]

you're just laying out all the icebreakers huh

[fiery burrow]

Andrew Prahlow, Chris Christodoulou, Tool

Pink Floyd but I'm already pushing my luck with tool i don't want to get made fun of

[opaque sigil]

bro's name is chris chris 😭

[sharp idol]

my personal favirote musicians is Sabaton or Eminie either will do

[ripe cliff]

i'm a big Cosmo Sheldrake fan

[coarse leaf]

i'd appreciate sabaton more if they weren't intrinsically linked with chuds in my brain because of my experience online

[cedar trench]

music talk?

time to be an asshole

[sharp idol]

so favorite mental disorder

[fiery burrow]

I can be more rude

You listen to like country iirc

[coarse leaf]

that's not a question to ask people

[fiery burrow]

is this piplups alt

[cedar trench]

false

[sharp idol]

I don`t really like country music

[olive bobcat]

He's still going huh

[fiery burrow]

do you listen to metal

[coarse leaf]

when i see an account was created in the same day they joined a server my first assumption is "this is an alt" but this guy seems far too genuine

[ripe cliff]

guh

[sharp idol]

I mean yeah but I do like some rap as well

[cedar trench]

yknow people tend to complain about thevillification of specific disorders but i've never seen someone shine light on how cluster B personality disorders are terated generally

[olive bobcat]

I mean his handle is "arson" he's either doing a bit or he's like, 10

[coarse leaf]

17 according to him when someone called him 13 earlier

[cedar trench]

like if you are diagnosed with narcissism or "psychopathy" (outdated term) you're seen as the antichrist

[sharp idol]

I seen alot of bad depictioins of autism in media

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[cedar trench]

therapyspeak being commodified has been a disaster for mentally ill people

or just, people in general

[coarse leaf]

real as fuck! these disorders are horrendously misunderstood

[leaden delta]

I like music

[ripe cliff]

maybe he meant "4 years too early"❔

[fiery burrow]

send recommendations

[cunning geode]

yeah prove it

[olive bobcat]

No I don't listen to music

Because it fucking sucks

[woven current]

I found this one here, it is really good https://youtu.be/PLK1XwxlEQI?si=JvoHuFVi7UmvwZ_X

[coarse leaf]

antisocial personality disorder does not make you some inherently evil person, it can make you more prone to certain poor behaviors because of the nature of what the disorder effects but it genuinely causes more suffering for the person who has it than it does for the people around them despite how it's talked about

[fiery burrow]

but what if it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrTGENqFiG4

[kindred pewter]

@olive bobcat MY PEAK

Red Beetle we have the same taste

[olive bobcat]

Deafheaven? Making music? I can't believe my ears

[cedar trench]

i've read a book that goes really in depth about narcissism and its multiple manifestations

it's very academic and extremely well researched

[fiery burrow]

how it feels to finally be able to understand the lyrics

"finally" (i discovered the band like 2 weeks ago)

[cedar trench]

it was probably one of the most interesting reads i've ever had

[olive bobcat]

Read real brain music like Ochre 🔥

[woven current]

Aluo sent it here and I really enjoyed it

[sharp idol]

hit me with your best insult

[olive bobcat]

No I didn't what

[woven current]

Or it was Garm

[coarse leaf]

people who suffered from antisocial personality disorder and ultimately became mass murderers or serial killers were perhaps made them more prone to that, but it takes a multitude of other mental problems and poor environmental factors to turn someone with ASPD into a monster

[olive bobcat]

Probably Garm

[atomic sparrow]

wo chien ???

[kindred pewter]

I sent it first, then Aluo saw it

[atomic sparrow]

wo chien what are doing here buddy why are you in ss disc...

[cedar trench]

and i feel like a lot of the examples of vulerable narcissistic behavior match with mine, so it felt a bit jarring

[coarse leaf]

nor is the assumption that every serial killer and mass murderer suffered from ASPD even correct

[sharp idol]

whats one company you hate

[woven current]

Thanks for showing me this peak song

[leaden delta]

disney

[kindred pewter]

Limbus Company

[opaque sigil]

I mean to some extent with personality disorders the behaviors are going to be things everyone does to some extent it's just frequency and magnitude

[cedar trench]

every!

[sharp idol]

autims speaks

[opaque sigil]

that's the case with a lot of psychological or neurological conditions

[olive bobcat]

Amazon you know what company I love though, Lethal

[kindred pewter]

Lethal Company vs Limbus Company, which one wins

[olive bobcat]

Lethal ez pz

[kindred pewter]

Limbus ez pz

[woven current]

Black Mesa

[wheat sail]

I love black mesa

[sharp idol]

aperture science

[cedar trench]

that is extremely true. Either way i'm not saying this as a way to self diagnose or to put a label upon myself. It was just a consideration i came to while reading it and it gave me some answers regarding some patterns of behavior which could be associated with the disorder 🙂‍↕️

[kindred pewter]

https://open.spotify.com/track/36LlbyOLdTRVv4nddshYyj?si=32b782b79f6b4519 they also made this peak

[wheat sail]

meh

[fiery burrow]

🙂‍↔️ 🙂‍↕️ are these new

[kindred pewter]

not an IP grabber

[wheat sail]

🐌

[opaque sigil]

yeah I get you, but i do think it can help with empathy to like recognize that these tendencies aren't some monstrous alien thing

[atomic sparrow]

wth are these default ??

[cedar trench]

exactly my point!

[woven current]

Gonna hear this tomorrow

[olive bobcat]

IP grabber

[wheat sail]

🙂‍↔️

[olive bobcat]

Yo emoji I'm reading your chat why you trying not to laugh bro

[cedar trench]

sociopathy is such an ugly word there isn't even any sexy connotation that may come with the word "psycopath" you're just relegated to sounding like you skin people alive and are also paranoid as FUCK i hate it

on a semantical level

[coarse leaf]

do keep in mind that there can be a shocking amount of symptomatic overlap between a large number of disorders

[sharp idol]

what is your worst idea

[cedar trench]

the next

[olive bobcat]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JksYTnr9bRI?si=UzXkweTx35tmuShQ

[opaque sigil]

I think there's utility in being able to call people sociopaths but not in the traditional sense just in the 'you don't care about the morality of your actions' sense

[sharp idol]

about 70% of my ideas

[fiery burrow]

bro is building a gen AI off of hkmain

[cedar trench]

yeah but you know.

[coarse leaf]

that creates an issue of then giving an inherently negative connotation to a personality disorder that real people who don't suck suffer from though

[cedar trench]

it's not nice calling someone that

[opaque sigil]

I know

there are a lot of useful things to call people that aren't nice

[cedar trench]

like it's a very backwards thing to say during a discussion about stigma surrounding certain conditions but you can't just undo all the history behind a word

[cedar trench]

yep

imeanit'sstilladisorder

[opaque sigil]

it kind of isn't? people often draw an equivalency with aspd but that's not like a clinical term

[cedar trench]

in that sense yes

i was specifically contextualising it within aspd

[opaque sigil]

then yeah I wouldn't conflate that

somebody with aspd who is trying but struggling is still trying

[coarse leaf]

inherently giving that negative connotation though i fear would cause people to draw those negative connotations towards aspd, since it does now exist symptomatically under the umbrella of aspd

it's not a clinically diagnosed disorder anymore but that doesn't change the fact that a set of symptoms are still tied to the term

[cedar trench]

i mean

[sharp idol]

favorite anime

[cedar trench]

it has a negative connotation

it's a disorder

[coarse leaf]

i mean in the sense that it's a disorder that makes people evil

[cedar trench]

yeah no it doesn't make one evil

[coarse leaf]

like negative regarding the person

[proud crane]

guysss silksong news tommorow

[cedar trench]

yeah in that sense i agree

[proud crane]

trust me

trust me silksong tommorow news

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I think thats a valid and ethical way to think of antisocial personality disorder

[opaque sigil]

once you start talking about personality disorders the concept of evil kind of breaks down

[proud crane]

what

[cedar trench]

yeah what is evil anyway

[proud crane]

i didnt read what any of you just said

i just got here

[cedar trench]

in you guys's opinions

[violet path]

@olive bobcat can you give me a song to learn on violin

[strange night]

Doofenshmirtz is pretty evil

He wants to rule the tristate area

[violet path]

This show makes me yearn to practice

But i have no good pieces rn

[strange night]

Live and learn from sonic adventure 2

[sharp idol]

lier

[proud crane]

did i say that at a bad time 😭

my bad

[opaque sigil]

prescriptive and evaluative

[strange night]

That's not a word, try again

[olive bobcat]

Every Day is Night

[violet path]

Doing bad things

[violet path]

Oh cmon thatll hurt

[sharp idol]

what do you call 75 percent of a roof

[violet path]

Emotionally

[olive bobcat]

Or see if you can get sheet music from Sinnohvation

[violet path]

Ill try that

[cedar trench]

ok but i can do bad things to do good things is that evil

[olive bobcat]

There's some killer violin work in that album

[violet path]

Context is everything

[cedar trench]

elaborate

[strange night]

If somebody disagrees with you then you're evil

[coarse leaf]

hard to define. i'd say someone who has no interest other than their own in mind and will do anything including ruining the lives of entire swaths of people to fulfill their self-interest

[strange night]

Because they can call you evil

[fiery burrow]

that is an oxymoron

[strange night]

And evil is a matter of opinion

🙄

[opaque sigil]

evil isn't a thing that exists it's a descriptor we ascribe to things we like or dislike on moral grounds

[violet path]

I take it thats not.. the right thing :(

[cedar trench]

steal from the rich (bad)
to give back to the poor (good)

[strange night]

Any act you do can be evil in somebody's eyes

[sharp idol]

oof

[fiery burrow]

My dog

[quiet token]

my simple view on evil would be when someone does something tangibly harmful to someone else with no intent to get better in the short or long term

[proud crane]

ok im gonna leave now but sorry if i said silksong news tommorow at a bad time

[olive bobcat]

If you're really good at listening you could try to copy it

[coarse leaf]

i don't think anything that isn't human has the capacity to be what i consider evil

[cerulean sable]

holyfu jkfci SHIT\

[violet path]

I will try

[violet path]

🔥

[olive bobcat]

https://youtu.be/ySe5b-keh9c?si=Q58_NbrPTGre7UVY

[coarse leaf]

animals can do things that we find fucked up but to them that's just how it is and how it'll always be and there's no real issue with it in their minds

[quiet token]

though it's also based on severity a lot imo, can't just stumble into nuking people

[fiery burrow]

If the end result is better than what would've happened previously its a good action

[cedar trench]

ok yeah i get it

[violet path]

I would say most evil is manifested as the opposite of empathy

[fiery burrow]

You've clearly never met him

[sharp idol]

what is your favorite video game

[violet path]

Truly not caring about others

[leaden delta]

outer wilds

[fiery burrow]

He's a wicked and malicious creature

[opaque sigil]

a rock falls on somebody and kills them it has no empathy is it evil

[violet path]

Idk have you met cassowaries

[violet path]

Obviously were talking about people here

[coarse leaf]

territorial instinct leads to their aggression

[opaque sigil]

what about a person with a limited capacity for empathy

[violet path]

Theyre scary

[opaque sigil]

this is why personality disorders make the concept of evil break down

[quiet token]

either way it do be kinda odd that the worst part of a lot of disorders is other people knowing you have it

[opaque sigil]

at least as an essentialized thing

[cedar trench]

is a person that believes that the (objectively harmful) action they are committing is good evil?

[fiery burrow]

yeah

[coarse leaf]

yes

[opaque sigil]

I mean that gets into epistemology as well

[coarse leaf]

of are at least committing evil in the moment

[cedar trench]

like if i slaughter an entire species because it pisses me off without any benefit other than the fact it doesn't piss me off anymore

that would make me evil i think

that's pretty evil

[opaque sigil]

it depends on whether you could argue that somebody should have known the action was bad

[cedar trench]

let's say i did

[opaque sigil]

not just if they did know

[opaque sigil]

then yes that's bad

[violet path]

I dont think theres one umbrella definition but i do think pretty much any action can be classified as objectively evil given all the context is known

Like if you give me an example of a scenario

[coarse leaf]

the thing is that someone with a personality disorder limiting their capacity for empathy isn't inherently going to do things that would normally be considered "evil". people who lack empathy don't have some instinct to rail against what they're taught empathy is and do terrible shit to people. i don't think it causes the idea of evil to break down because ASPD isn't and shouldn't be seen as an excuse for the various cold-blooded killers of history, because ASPD wasn't the only thing going on with them, nor did they all even genuinely suffer from ASPD

[fiery burrow]

Kicking an innocent creature of joy

[opaque sigil]

the epistemological component comes in wrt a duty to establish grounded moral principles

[violet path]

Are they cute or annoying

[ripe cliff]

myla from the hit game Hollow Knight

[coarse leaf]

so the people that commit evil but suffer from ASPD can still easily be considered evil, because it's not really the disorder they're suffering from "forcing" them to do that somehow

it's still entirely their own will

[violet path]

No matter who you are id say if you do an evil action thats evil

[quiet token]

ethics is kinda funny, nuanced thought takes too much time and energy to apply to everything but any shorthand is deeply flawed when you look into it cause reality is dumb as hell

[violet path]

Its easy for me

[opaque sigil]

at the end of the day a consistent metaethical framework is a nightmare but also mooooostly unnecessary to have generally prosocial behavior

just like

do some utilitarianism

[cedar trench]

my favorite ethics moment was when matt walsh was asked to do the nasty to monkeys to save a person

[quiet token]

you live and learn like most skills

[fiery burrow]

both

like a dog

or any animal

[wheat sail]

ethjics is a human construct

[violet path]

Pretty messed up

[violet path]

What if I believe in a nonhuman higher power

[fiery burrow]

but its a creature of pure joy it won't be sad

[opaque sigil]

then your ethical framework is nonexistent

[fiery burrow]

if you were to hypothetically kick it

[wheat sail]

like me

[violet path]

Yes

All hail kirb

[wheat sail]

then follow my ethics

[violet path]

Yes sir

[wheat sail]

#1: Do Harm

[violet path]

Is kicking the pure joy animal evil sire

[coarse leaf]

this is true, we are often defined as the sole "moral beings" on the planet. but also that shouldn't be taken as morals and ethics being something that should be cast off, we evolved beyond the intelligence of every other animal on the planet, we might as well make the most of that

[violet path]

Some of us did*

[violet path]

Why would you even kick the little guy in the first place

[violet path]

I would argue its quite solid

[cedar trench]

WHAT

IS THAT BANNED

DID THEY BAN THAT AM I DREAMING

[coarse leaf]

what did you say

[olive bobcat]

Say it louder for those in the back

[cedar trench]

that thing hailey welsh sai d

[opaque sigil]

if your ethical framework is 'it's good because somebody said it's good' that's not an ethical framework it's an appeal to authority

[olive bobcat]

Oh yeah they banned that

[cedar trench]

i think i've said like

[coarse leaf]

LMAO

[cedar trench]

extremely more vulgar things in the past month

like

[opaque sigil]

which you shouldn't do in general and definitely shouldn't do about a being that you can't demonstrate exists or has any actual authority on the matter

[cedar trench]

really graphic

[olive bobcat]

Mods will say it's inappropriate but they are lying

[cedar trench]

with mods present

[coarse leaf]

tbf it has an inherently very sexual context so like, i get why they banned it in a server full of children

[cedar trench]

but i get it HT is annoying

[olive bobcat]

It's just a spit sound

How many people even know the context to why she said it

[coarse leaf]

plenty

[cedar trench]

eh it's not even alllll that

[olive bobcat]

I mean there's nothing stopping me from saying fuck but that's a common description for something graphic

[ripe cliff]

i mean, if generally our morals are built around around what benefits our survival as a society and species (and what benefits us is subjective, at least relative to other living things), then couldn't you say that any behavior that is beneficial to a collective species is 'moral'?

[coarse leaf]

that's why she got popular in the first place because all the men online who have never had a normal platonic relationship with a woman lost their fucking marbles when a woman made the most basic possible joke about sex

[violet path]

LOL

Is joker lurking

[kindred pewter]

Joker say yes if you're lurking

[opaque sigil]

you can, that's part of the foundational logic of consequentialism and utilitarianism

[violet path]

I thought it got popularized into brainrot because of how unfunny it was

At least on tiktok

Idk how it blew up initially on twitter

[olive bobcat]

I thought it was cause people tried making it homophobic during pride month

[ripe cliff]

like, there's animals like whales and elephants which are emotionally intelligent because it benefits their survival as well, so i wouldn't be so quick to say we're the only ones that have a moral compass

[violet path]

Didnt it start in july

[coarse leaf]

july isn't pride month my friend

[ripe cliff]

i see

[violet path]

No shit

[opaque sigil]

it's also not really a 'it's fully 100% there or it's not there at all' deal there's a spectrum

[olive bobcat]

July is hate month actually

[coarse leaf]

oh i misread what you said

[kindred pewter]

my month

[violet path]

Its ok

[olive bobcat]

Gay people have one month to love themselves and another month to hate straight people

[violet path]

Oh fr?

[opaque sigil]

plenty of animals have a concept of fairness

[violet path]

If im not gay can i express general hate in july

[quiet token]

corvids are awesome

[coarse leaf]

i thought you said "it didn't start in july"

[olive bobcat]

No

[ripe cliff]

of course

[violet path]

Damn it

Yk whats bullshit no one in high school names their goddam instrument

Unrealistic show

[cedar trench]

true

goin to bed

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-meme-jjba-gif-4322638546229085656

[coarse leaf]

sometimes i consider if i'm like minorly dyslexic because words will just completely swap around for me when i'm reading stuff sometimes. like i'll read a message over multiple times and still read it completely wrong

[olive bobcat]

Bro is hating on Tubacabra and for what

[cedar trench]

goodbye everyone

[coarse leaf]

i don't think i actually am but it's hard to tell because i have no perspective for what dyslexia is actually like

[violet path]

It is a hard name

[violet path]

My friend has this same thing

Like he described it the exact same way

[olive bobcat]

What's Kumiko's euph named again

Jerry or some shit

[violet path]

Thats something i sometimes think about, we have no clue what the perspective of anyone else is like

And never will

[violet path]

Later

[wheat sail]

!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!

[violet path]

Dolphins are definitely fucking evil

[violet path]

Unless that “somebody” is the embodiment and creator of good

[coarse leaf]

you're being facetious but you'd be surprised how many people base their opinions on morals and ethics off of what animals that eat their own bodily waste and see no problem with it do

[opaque sigil]

which there's no reason to think is true, and you can't actually access them anyways so even if that was true morality would be inaccessible

divine command theory is plainly dogshit on even cursory examination

it doesn't work on any level

[kindred pewter]

my gif

[coarse leaf]

it's certainly fine to believe in that being the case but yeah when it comes to arguing ethics the unprovable idea of a higher all-PKG being is logically irrelevant

[ripe cliff]

i mean, a lot of what some animals do we would consider pretty heinous under our moral frameworks, but again that's according to us. I highly doubt an objective moral system which you could apply to every living thing exists

[coarse leaf]

mhm

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-may-totsugeki-dolphin-gif-22007409

[coarse leaf]

again i don't think anything other than a human being can be truly "evil"

[opaque sigil]

in order to even begin to argue for divine command theory you need:
1: prove a divine power exists (you can't)
2: prove that divine power is inherently and exclusively good (you can't)
3: prove that there is some way of getting perfect commands (you can't)
4: have commands which perfectly encompass every possible eventuality (you can't)

[trim estuary]

Whqt about like chihuahs

[violet path]

Your old pfp

[opaque sigil]

forgot proving which divine power exists which you also can't do

[olive bobcat]

God bless May nation

[violet path]

I like how this all started by some guy jokingly saying “my dog”

[violet path]

Watch me

[trim estuary]

Isnt that at the top of the list

Oh

[opaque sigil]

you have to prove that any one exists and then which one

[trim estuary]

which

[opaque sigil]

no jumping from deism to whatever specific dogma you have

though you also can't prove deism

[violet path]

There it is

[coarse leaf]

those things wouldn't even be evil if there was a singular universal moral system for every being, they only act like they do because they're weird neurotic anxious messes of animals when not properly cared for

[violet path]

I like sugar gliders

Theyre definitely not evil

[trim estuary]

Can you prove that

[violet path]

Look

[coarse leaf]

in reference to sugar gliders or chihuahuas

[violet path]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-pet-sugar-glider-cute-cute-animal-gif-12699030

[trim estuary]

Sugar gliders

[coarse leaf]

sugar gliders are pretty awesome

basically a type of baby

[violet path]

Is that enough evidence

[trim estuary]

Okay proven

[violet path]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495612

[coarse leaf]

you should never get one as a pet though because THAT would be engaging in the exotic pet trade which is terrible for all the animals in it

[violet path]

I once saw one at the florida state fair

[ripe cliff]

something that's pretty disheartening is that whenever they go viral on social media, a bunch of people get them without having any idea what there needs are/how to take care of them

[violet path]

Shouldn’t I free the little guy then

[ripe cliff]

they're just so cute that people buy them spontaneously ig

[violet path]

Same goes for axolotls

[coarse leaf]

getting one in the first place is just not the right move, they're not really domestic animals at all

[wheat sail]

no

[violet path]

I’ll build a perfect recreation of their natural habitat

[coarse leaf]

they're a domestic SIZE, like they're not the kind of exotic pet that's also gonna be destructive to your personal well-being like a chimp or big cat or something, but it's terrible for them still

[violet path]

I suppose we’ll find out when we die

[trim estuary]

Or you wont

[violet path]

Awww

[opaque sigil]

no, we won't

[violet path]

You definitely will

Either there is something else or there isnt either way youll have your answer

[trim estuary]

the tunnel:

[opaque sigil]

no do you not understand what dying is

you don't perceive anything past it

[coarse leaf]

if there's nothing else then there will be no more consciousness to perceive that nothingness

[opaque sigil]

you're gone

[violet path]

Unless the reincarnation folks are right

[coarse leaf]

it's hard to think about but if there's nothing, there's NOTHING, because you will no longer perceive a single thing ever again or even be able to internalize that you're not perceiving a single thing ever again

[violet path]

True

So i suppose we’ll only find out if thats not the case

[coarse leaf]

pretty much

[opaque sigil]

but regardless staking your moral system on that idea is stupid

[coarse leaf]

mhm

[violet path]

I need to see sonic 3

[olive bobcat]

Yes you do

[violet path]

But whenever i bring up going to see a movie my lame friends only want to see lion kmidng

Because lin manuel miranda

[olive bobcat]

My friends invited me and naturally I said yes

[violet path]

Even though from the little but ive seen the songs suck

[ripe cliff]

Cameron 'The Grinch' Bell

[olive bobcat]

Alexander Cam Bell

[violet path]

Not if it ends up being right

[olive bobcat]

WAIT CHAT THIS IS SO PEAK

[opaque sigil]

yes including then

[olive bobcat]

So it's like 40F out rn

But it's windy

So it feels like 25F

Perfect temperature to go for a walk tonight

[opaque sigil]

staking your moral system on something you recognize yourself you have no reason to think is true at this point and can only verify after dying and no longer being able to make moral decisions that affect the real world is bad

[violet path]

Is he 3 years old

That’s literally like a roblox jailbreak skin

[opaque sigil]

you just don't have a moral system

[coarse leaf]

i don't believe there's really a spiritual afterlife but frankly just because it hurts my brain to ever think about this i feel like there reasonably must be SOMETHING. the human experience is so based around being you, but when there's no longer any you, what then? if it's the end of all perception and thought for you for the rest of eternity what does that even mean

[olive bobcat]

Elon Musk is robbing the museum!

[violet path]

No i just believe that concepts of good and evil can have an objective core

[opaque sigil]

but you can't access them

[violet path]

I remember when they added the museum

[opaque sigil]

your moral system is useless

you can't actually evaluate any action based on it

[violet path]

Huge day for 7 year olds

[olive bobcat]

I used to grind Jailbreak

I was a great cop

Now everything confuses me

I was a great old timey cop

[opaque sigil]

if there was some fairy sitting outside the universe who knows what action is right and what action is wrong, so what, doesn't do anyone any good down here

[coarse leaf]

i believe basing all your moral beliefs around the thought that some completely intangible being just said so is a bit ridiculous.

[violet path]

You certainly can it just doesnt make for very good arguments because the beliefs are set in stone, except theyre not actually because people have been interpreting them very different ways for thousands of years so nevermind

[opaque sigil]

is it evil to write on saturday

[violet path]

Unless we all followed the good

[opaque sigil]

... no

[violet path]

I had the one million dollar bike on my old account

[opaque sigil]

we don't know what the fairy thinks

[violet path]

But i have no clue what the password to it is

[opaque sigil]

if we can also arrive on our own at what the good things are, then it's not the source of morality

it's just an external being that is moral

but morality comes from actions being harmful or beneficial and we can access that

[olive bobcat]

As an old timey cop I don't like all these new additions, so I just spend my time flying around and shooting prisoners

[flat remnant]

r/atheism leaking

[opaque sigil]

this isn't even an atheism thing

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nonsense-anime-catgirl-gif-22850739

[opaque sigil]

you don't have to be an atheist to recognize that divine command theory is fucking stupid

it's just a bad metaethical framework

[coarse leaf]

also implying that if everyone followed a religion it would lead to no evil is objectively untrue, considering one of the deadliest wars in all of history was fought not even over people practicing completely different religious beliefs, but people practicing somewhat different interpretations of the same religion

[flat remnant]

r/intellectualism leaking

[violet path]

Thats because catholics are silly

[opaque sigil]

you can suppose that a god exists and is perfectly moral and you still would have to say that divine command theory is dogshit

[violet path]

Anyways im not the one to argue evangelical stuff im relatively new to it

[ripe cliff]

sure but if you want people to walk away with something useful, being trivial about it probably isn't the way to go because people genuinely build their lives around that ideology

[coarse leaf]

just going "you're a redditor!!!!" to people having a constructive discussion is lame cat

[opaque sigil]

the point is that it doesn't matter what the thing is

[wheat sail]

did someone say reddit?

[flat remnant]

yeah it's lame but i'm not in the mood to argue beyond "nah i disagree" and ad hominem

[coarse leaf]

then kindly don't engage

[flat remnant]

it amused me 😔

[ripe cliff]

again, being trivial towards someone else's beliefs isn't constructive and reddit is full of that sort of thing

yes Tammo's points are absolutely valid but like communication makes a world of a difference

[coarse leaf]

this is also true

being completely dismissive of belief is also lame

[violet path]

Hey dont talk to my boy that way

[wheat sail]

blud said ad hominem

[violet path]

Ad hominem ad hominem

[opaque sigil]

what, because I said fairy instead of entity? come on

[coarse leaf]

there's a distinct line between belief and knowledge but that doesn't make belief irrelevant to any discussion, it has its place

[olive bobcat]

https://x.com/grugcel/status/1873457803270226030?s=46&t=1oDjmwFQwp6pVr3jPa-X9A

Grug (@GRUGCEL) on X

if your transgender eat a damn burger… thank me later.

Twitter · Dec 29, 2024, 7:55 PM

[wheat sail]

arguing the anticident

[opaque sigil]

also divine command theory isn't just 'being religious' you can be religious and have moral values informed by material factors

divine command theory is a specific metaethical framework that's shit

[wheat sail]

In your opinion

[coarse leaf]

i do agree with the sentiment divine command theory has zero place in a logical discussion though yeah

[coarse leaf]

because there is no logic behind it, it's a thing of PURE belief and should really only be brought up when talking theology

[violet path]

I think youre somewhat misunderstanding my point, belief in a higher power doesnt make good and evil objective because its whatever said higher power says, it just demonstrates that it isnt all just subjective things that humans created

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't tho

but if you just make it irrelevant and tack it onto a secular moral framework fine

you can be a rule utilitarian and just say 'and god wants this' but that's not deriving anything from god

it's developing a metaethical framework and tacking religion on at the end

[coarse leaf]

i do think there's certainly some inherent moral part of the human brain that we developed at some point, we wouldn't really be having this discussion right now if there wasn't. human morals are still variable and subjective from culture to culture but the commonality is that people feel the need to form moral systems in the first place. i just don't think that arguing "god did it" has a logical framework

and i think that variability of human morals is enough to tear that down a bit

[violet path]

How so

[opaque sigil]

also divine command theory is still a subjective view of morality it's just appealing to a hypothetical individual's opinions

there's no like

[kindred pewter]

all catgirls must go to inferno

[opaque sigil]

reason for it

[olive bobcat]

https://x.com/mayotunamayoler/status/1873784366012522526?s=46&t=1oDjmwFQwp6pVr3jPa-X9A

マヨツナマヨ (@mayotunamayoler) on X

Caitlin

Twitter · Dec 30, 2024, 5:33 PM

[opaque sigil]

nothing objective about it

[coarse leaf]

can you please let me argue my own point myself tammo

[violet path]

Im kinda arguing the moral argument for God here but like in reverse

[opaque sigil]

oh that's a terrible argument

[violet path]

If youre familiar with that

[grand ferry]

now i think about it, gen 5 psychics have been pretty decent

except for musharna

[coarse leaf]

before i elaborate let me make sure i have your idea here correct-- you think that belief demonstrates an objective good and evil because the higher power existing in the first place presents the idea that not everything we think and perceive on a non-physical level is necessarily a human invention

[violet path]

Ya

[ripe cliff]

well, not that in specific. there's nothing wrong with what you said, but in my experience when trying to change the mind of someone who believes morality stems from a deity and never question it further, i suppose it requires less bluntness to get your points across in a way that's actually useful to all parties

otherwise you risk being shut out and the whole conversation is non-constructive

but maybe that's just my approach

[violet path]

It doesnt really present a strong argument for the existence of God, but rather a question posed of the relation of the existence of objective morality to the existence of God

[opaque sigil]

most people want to be murdered less than they want to murder
most people want to be robbed less than they want to rob
in order to not be murdered or robbed, people are incentivized to support social systems that prohibit murder and robbery, and don't murder or rob because then they might get murdered or robbed
that nets you universal trends in morality without anything objective

[violet path]

So what most people want

[opaque sigil]

is not based on a god

it's based on stable societies

[coarse leaf]

so when it comes to the variability of human morals i don't quite see how an objective good and evil holds up, when these massive swaths of people have very different sets of cultural moral systems, and different beliefs about what is and isn't evil, many of which pull from things they believe were set by their own higher power. without straying into the territory of tearing down other religions and claiming your god as the one true one, how would you really explain that?

[wheat sail]

True

[craggy arrow]

Wait

Hold on

Why are we arguing about God and morals in a silksong discussion chat

[leaden delta]

because nobody give a gaf abt silksong

and this is interesting

[grand ferry]

silksong == god

[coarse leaf]

^^

not to that

to sonia's message

[ripe cliff]

'give a gaf' 💔

[grand ferry]

we dont know if both exists 👍

[craggy arrow]

💀

[violet path]

Kinda.. by doing that

[coarse leaf]

and this isn't even getting into the territory of variable moral systems based on religion WITHIN a singular culture throughout time, prevalent in polytheistic religions or religions that don't worship a god but rather spirits of the land

[leaden delta]

yea its fun

its like shaking my smh

[violet path]

I dont think many theists accept other beliefs than their own as fact

[opaque sigil]

that's kind of a big problem for theists

[leaden delta]

no no no no no do not compare me to that

[ripe cliff]

What is ts

[opaque sigil]

they don't actually have any better support for their belief systems than other religious people do for completely incompatible belief systems

[leaden delta]

at least i know what the fuck im saying

[violet path]

(This)

[coarse leaf]

this

[ripe cliff]

we're abbreviating 4 letter words?!

[violet path]

Its this shit

[coarse leaf]

unfortunately

yeah

[violet path]

But the joke is that it got turned into this

[opaque sigil]

a christian can't actually argue that their religion is better than any other that's why they tend to just start stabbing each other

[violet path]

By people who didnt understand that it meant

[leaden delta]

this shit

[coarse leaf]

to be fair we've been abbreviating your and you're to "ur" since like the early aughts so this isn't that new

[olive bobcat]

My big dog's laying on me and she's slowly moving up

[violet path]

Pup

[leaden delta]

https://youtu.be/-kKhXMLTL50?si=vydOReLbCoMtDsbg

[coarse leaf]

as tammo said, this is what's lead to the multitude of religious wars and killings throughout history. you can't really just blame the catholics either, it wasn't just them

[violet path]

Just because one group misinterprets a religious belief or ignores it for their own gain doesnt make the original belief untrue i dont understand your point

[opaque sigil]

but you have no reason to think they misinterpreted it and you didn't

why aren't you a muslim? or a catholic? or a hindu?

they have exactly the same arguments

they're as likely to be right as you are

[ripe cliff]

and even then those conflicts are a consequence of the power they had, if it wasn't them it would've probably been some other denomination

[opaque sigil]

or were you just lucky to have stumbled across the right religion first

and you're gonna take that gamble

I mean there are like 10,000 religions all equally as likely to be true

[violet path]

Well catholics are right theyre just a bit wrong (from my perspective and beliefs)

[opaque sigil]

nah, they're perfectly 100% right and you misinterpreted it. You have no more reason to believe what you do than they do what they do

you're epistemologically identical to them

[coarse leaf]

would you not agree that a belief in objective good and evil leading directly to death en masse presents a pretty huge flaw in that way of thinking?

[violet path]

And my belief in Christianity over any other religion is from the gospels if you want to know ig

[opaque sigil]

well every other religion says the same stuff

so why don't you listen to them

[ripe cliff]

what are the different denominations divided on anyways, just curious

[violet path]

Catholics think that Jesus appointed an institution

Basically

[opaque sigil]

Hey don't you know the pope speaks god's word? you gotta listen to him

[violet path]

Idk much about orthodox

Protestants were people in catholic areas that were like “this is stupid and youre all lying were just gonna go back to following the bible only”

[olive bobcat]

It's been like 2 hours

[violet path]

What are you talking about

[olive bobcat]

Talk about something cool like Pokemon

[coarse leaf]

it has been a long-ass time, theology and questions of ethics relating to it is very interesting to me but even i'm getting tired of it

[opaque sigil]

catholicism has as much reason to be right as everything else, why do you ignore that religion but not yours

you can't just do special pleading

[violet path]

Me too actually

[opaque sigil]

that's not a good way to find truth

[violet path]

Thats kinda how faith works, i place my faith in what has the most evidence to me

[opaque sigil]

that isn't how faith works at all

and if it was about evidence you wouldn't subscribe to any of the religions

[violet path]

What??

[olive bobcat]

Toast

[opaque sigil]

if faith just means picking whichever makes you feel best you don't have any legs to stand on

[olive bobcat]

Do you think Kumiko with her hair up kinda resembles FeMC