sk-discussion

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

People will complain

[fiery burrow]

yeah fanbases got unrealistic expectations

See Tears of The Kingdom which is a heavenly game but Zelda fans are stupid

[harsh yarrow]

I think part of the reason why Silksong has taken so long is Team Cherry doesnt want to deal with that kind crap

[fiery burrow]

Except me I'm right and realize that all 3D zeldas are godsends

[harsh yarrow]

But they'll have those kinds of idiots anyways

[worn tinsel]

They must have pretty high expectations for themselves as well (speculation)

[cerulean sable]

tbf

[wheat sail]

one truth one lie

[cerulean sable]

i heard TotK's main criticism for the majority (as someone who has an outside lense) is that it reused the first game's map

[charred surge]

I really enjoy botw so I’d like to try totk some point soon

Also, I played botw on the wiiu and feel like the wiiu got robbed

[wheat sail]

wii u wasnt a bad console but nobody bought it

[harsh yarrow]

How do I check how many hours I've played of the game in the past 2 weeks?

[cerulean sable]

your steam profile page

[wheat sail]

i got it then discontinued a few years later

[harsh yarrow]

The Wii U was fine

[worn tinsel]

Wii U is the only other Nintendo console that still gets games

[charred surge]

Yeah that’s why I said it got robbed

[fiery burrow]

Wii U was the goat

[fiery coral]

"That kinda crap" being people who criticise the game because it's not good enough for the time it took?

[charred surge]

Tfw when there won’t ever be totk for wiiu

[fiery burrow]

Yeah

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/camboysminaj-gif-13704039054708777555

[harsh yarrow]

People having unrealistic expectations of a game

[wheat sail]

We'll see

😈

[fiery coral]

But won't that problem get worse the longer they take...? 😅

[harsh yarrow]

You cant, and shouldnt, expect 100% perfection of anything

It does, sadly

Team Cherry is taking time to make something they're happy with

[charred surge]

Actually, the Wii U was a gaming console rather than an animal commonly found on farms, but the confusion is understandable!

[wheat sail]

Well it makes some sense if you take longer that you may expect it to be better, especially if theres nothing that says otherwise

[fiery coral]

What does this mean

[cunning geode]

wrong. archvile

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/232587540719206400/1284003054986858596/archvile.gif

[harsh yarrow]

But you also get games that take longer and are complete horseshit

[cerulean sable]

its a lose lose situation, you cant win it

if you want the alternative they can just release the game back then when it was unfinished and youd have the same people parading

"man why didnt they just take their time and make a good game???"

[harsh yarrow]

Like KSP2

Yep

[cerulean sable]

so them shutting the fuck up and just doing wtv is pretty inevitable at this point

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[wheat sail]

I will be there with my unrealistic expectations

[harsh yarrow]

I dont blame TC for being more quiet and reserved

[cerulean sable]

and its not like the alternative is "well they shouldve just made a good game!" like its that easy

[harsh yarrow]

the community is well... a bit of an unweildy monster

its there own fault, being fair XD

[worn tinsel]

I'd love to see a development documentary or something of the sort once Silksong comes out

[harsh yarrow]

Same

I'd love for Team Cherry to spend some time chatting about what took so long

[fiery coral]

Only a loud minority is, I'd say - but solely because TC is being quiet and reserved to this extent, I think 😅

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[fiery coral]

[harsh yarrow]

The loud minority is well... louder than the queit majority

[wheat sail]

cause theyre quiet

duh

[harsh yarrow]

I think most people are okay with Team Cherry taking their time

[wheat sail]

Most people just forgot about it for their own good

[harsh yarrow]

I perfer a project that isnt rushed than one that is

[fiery coral]

To be fair when you say in the announcement trailer that you're already spilling over into extra content

[wheat sail]

team cherry marketing team in hawaii

drinking martinis

[fiery coral]

People can get impatient 5 years later 🥴

[cerulean sable]

were past the point where TC couldve comes, lessons learned i feel like they counted their chickens in the basket before midway realizing they still have A LOT of work or experimentation that they wanna do

were taking for granted that this is their second commercial game

[wheat sail]

team cherry carried by other studios that release games ong

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

Whats wild to think is that KSP2 managed to get announced, release, and die, all in the time that Silksong has been in progress

considering silksong started before 2017

[cerulean sable]

thats not relevant now, what is relevant is either way hype or not some people are gonna be building expectations as you go along the way, and on an outside lense its easy to assume game dev is linear

[shell yacht]

they didnt buy it yet they can shuttup too

[fiery coral]

How does that matter

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

I think that reckoning came soon after the 2022 trailer

[cerulean sable]

because some people are acting like the game killed their families

[harsh yarrow]

Personally, I think its things that they wanted to be post-launch content that they decided would be better in launch

[worn tinsel]

I think it's okay to be emotionally attached to a game you like but to also not forget developers are humans in the process

[fiery coral]

But that's a really really small minority, right, compared to the people just confused about what's taking so long and why there's nothing from the devs

[wheat sail]

team cherry never gonna ready

[cerulean sable]

theres a difference from people saying that the wished TC couldve communicated it a bit more, and people planning on taking trips to australia to take pictures of their office from the outside

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/because-singing-killed-my-grandma-trolls-poppy-and-branch-sped-up-gif-27544223

[cerulean sable]

im not talking about the majority

[fiery coral]

Infinite development = infinitely good game

[harsh yarrow]

Lol

[cerulean sable]

im talking about the stupidly loud minority here

[charred pulsar]

Wait true!

[fiery coral]

Simo!

Hello

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah...

[charred pulsar]

Hello Unique!

[charred surge]

INSIDER INFORMATION

[harsh yarrow]

Im firmly in the first camp, I think the lack of communication comes from telling all they wanted to early on

[fiery coral]

Been quite a while, how are you?

[harsh yarrow]

All the big news was 2019-2022, when they were shooting for a 2023 release

Development has dragged out, so...

Kinda leaves a massive gapping hole in the news schedule XD

[cerulean sable]

the rest of the people whos had a respectful view and criticism of the game's comms are alotting their energies doing something else while the rest is too busy creating this hype cycle of destroying themselves obsessed over it

it would be great if that portion didnt leak into anywhere outside that sub

eitherway the photo taking and the "we should plan to go their office and demand an explanation" so far are the worst it

[harsh yarrow]

Im fine with an open letter and all, but its futile lol

They'll chat when they're ready lol

[cerulean sable]

its great seeing tough talk online but when they do meet TC IRL suddenly its a 180 and the demands suddenly drop when they realize talking to a human in person is very very different lmao

[harsh yarrow]

Which will sadly probably be a release date

or luckily

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-its-okay-rocky-you-go-when-you-feel-like-it-gif-21084732

[worn tinsel]

I find it a bit funny how Xbox themselves said it was a 2023 release and then it didn't happen

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[cerulean sable]

Xbox said it for a lot of games

[wheat sail]

they got baited by team cherry

[harsh yarrow]

Aged like milk

[worn tinsel]

It's the epitome of why you shouldn't expect a release date

[harsh yarrow]

Least not from an Indie team

They dont have the same pressures that forced KSP2 to come out in its horrible state

[cerulean sable]

afaik it was Xbox just asking "hey in general do you think youd release in 1 year"
and in TC view it was like, i mean what Dev doesnt wanna release their games? well aim for it

hence the lack of statements from them up until the soft announcement in June

[serene chasm]

2k buys Team Cherry

[harsh yarrow]

ohno

[charred pulsar]

I'm good! Year has gone by quickly, but good. Work, gaming, life, no complaints really. How about you? Good to see your name and now it's blue epic

[harsh yarrow]

Nah, its going to be Take2Games

[worn tinsel]

Mark Brown (from GMTK) may have been a solo indie developer making his first game but his game developing process showed a lot of what goes into and what can go wrong when you are going through this process.

[harsh yarrow]

What indie devs never expect

me eating their computers

[cerulean sable]

its like me during my first job, i got asked "can you finish this build in like 1 month?" and as someone whos still very unfamiliar with the system, i gave them a "maybe? ill try im still having a feel for developement"

and that was with a client that has ACTUAL deadlines, were talking TC here

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/spanishinquisition-nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition-inquisition-gif-24566245

[harsh yarrow]

That too

[charred surge]

Simo what’s your favorite kind of pie

[wheat sail]

June 2023 ❇️

finally something

[harsh yarrow]

It'll be feburary, eventually

I will eat a hat if it isnt

Hold me to that, I fuckin will if it isnt

[cerulean sable]

and the times i was so confident i got fucked over because turns out x system intersects with y system and i had 0 senior devs to ask info about, so turns out "simple" was "actually you also have to change a fuckload because noone consulted the developers first"

[fiery coral]

Mostly been studies and projects for me really, but now I'll be starting work soon!

And yes blue name

[charred surge]

To prepare for the worst, make a plate of delectable food and put it on your head beforehand, technically making it a hat

[fiery coral]

Simo you should make it so blue names can ban as well

[harsh yarrow]

ooo smart

[serene chasm]

Wouldnt that just be a mod?

Do you want to be a mod again, Unique

[charred pulsar]

Cottage Pie (if that counts)

[charred surge]

I feel like that defeats part of the whole “former mod” thing

[fiery coral]

Nah a mod needs to do like, warns, mutes, notes and write all those reasons

[full ledge]

Hi simo

[quiet knot]

Milk pie

[fiery coral]

Blue role just does a manual ban, no Dyno command nonsense

[wheat sail]

yes curly

[charred surge]

If Shepard’s pie is pie I’ll count this (and this do look good)

[serene chasm]

That sounds like a bad idea

I mean you can manually ban people as a regular mod

[harsh yarrow]

I should be a moderator

why? idk

[fiery coral]

Does this have cottage cheese

[full ledge]

I’ve been asking for a blue role for years and then you just give it to former mods

[charred surge]

I should be a moderator to ban people who slight me and establish totalitarian rule over this server

[harsh yarrow]

No you need to grind up a cottage and put that into the pie

[serene chasm]

Im sure wrangling ferrets is like moderating a discord

[harsh yarrow]

totally

[olive bobcat]

This server if we started banning more users 👼

[harsh yarrow]

we should start with banning me

idk why

[olive bobcat]

Yeah

[lilac gyro]

i have literally have screenshots of you being a furry

[wheat sail]

Call to the void

[harsh yarrow]

void?

Hollow Knight reference?

[frigid karma]

Like hornet

[lilac gyro]

hyah its been so long

[charred surge]

Every week we should create a wacky rule that people get banned for if they don’t follow it, making this server into some sort of game show but without the monetary incentives

[lilac gyro]

omg

[olive bobcat]

Finally, an interesting server

[quiet knot]

Hunger games but the challenge is surviving moderators

[frigid karma]

Don't list down the rule, just wait for the people to figure it out

[full ledge]

Like “no memeing in lore”

[fiery coral]

What counts as memeing, you ask? Try and find out!

[olive bobcat]

Hunger Games with regulars but whoever wins is banned

[wheat sail]

void is hornet

[quiet knot]

Yucking it up

[harsh yarrow]

no no

[quiet knot]

Baba is you

[harsh yarrow]

cheeseburger

[charred surge]

Insert that one image of a guy breaking his chains

[charred surge]

Hell is full

[full ledge]

I tried the banned thing

[frigid karma]

The entire void was hornet all along

[wheat sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/1283427849470214236/babba.gif

[full ledge]

Wasn’t fun

Had too much free time

[quiet knot]

Did you do productive things

[full ledge]

No

[frigid karma]

Hell is you

[full ledge]

I would never

[wheat sail]

maybe i should be banned to be productivver

sike

[quiet knot]

I would never

[wheat sail]

Go learn a new language or an instrument

very cool

[sly scaffold]

silksong isnt real guys i hacked into team cherry and there is no game!! silksong is all just an elaborate lie to cover up what team cherry is actually making
THE NAME OF THE GAME THEY'RE MAKING IS K-

[harsh yarrow]

KING KONG

I knew it

[harsh yarrow]

no

[sly scaffold]

i said. reconsider.

[harsh yarrow]

nop

[harsh yarrow]

what does that have to do with this?

[charred surge]

TC is now worked on deltarune confrimed,,,

[harsh yarrow]

ohno

[cunning geode]

flashback to "dashmaster could be a sans reference, Toby Fox is known to put references of his other work in his games..."

[harsh yarrow]

it certianly looks like that lol

[cunning geode]

no very specifically that last part

[harsh yarrow]

but probably not

[charred surge]

Wait have people seriously argued dashmaster is a literal reference, I though everyone understood it was, like, a joke that it was a reference and was otherwise pure coincidence

[opaque sigil]

was that somebody who thought toby fox made hk or something?

[cunning geode]

there was a real user who thought that, yes tammo

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[charred surge]

Toby Cherry

[harsh yarrow]

ohmygod

[cunning geode]

:/

[harsh yarrow]

clickbait over a game that hasnt had acutal news since 2022!

[charred surge]

Hornet is revealing the grueling working conditions of silksog

[harsh yarrow]

Im pretty sure I've seen the video before

it just uses an AI voice

[cunning geode]

classy

[wheat sail]

hornet uses an ai voice too tbf

[charred surge]

Mostly unrelated but I hate when a channel make good/enjoyable videos but they have unbearably clickbaity thumbnails and/or titles

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

I dont think that its acutally good content though

Its probably crap

[charred surge]

Yeah I’m not saying this video is any good, I’m just speaking generally

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[charred surge]

Yep

[harsh yarrow]

what we gotta hope is that the Xbox bug was a funny glitch and that Samus Hunter wasnt lying

both of which probably arent true

[charred surge]

What’s this about, I vaguely remember that name from a supposed leak related to zelda and donkey kong but not actually, or is this something else

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[grand ferry]

so true

[harsh yarrow]

The thing with it was that the Zelda thing wasnt zelda, and that the DK reference wasnt a game

From some peoples poking through of the comments, its likely that Samus Hunter was talking about Silksong

They later said that "many of you got it right"

We wont know until febuaray

[opaque sigil]

even if they were talking about silksong it doesn't really matter

[harsh yarrow]

And they were likely talking out their ass

[charred surge]

But what’s this about an xbox bug

[opaque sigil]

they're not a reliable source

[harsh yarrow]

They werent for a long while

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-major-spelling-mistake-spelling-mistake-gif-25140477

[harsh yarrow]

But more recently they've been somewhat accurate

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-i-gif-9063753

[harsh yarrow]

I've heard it proposed that they got a new, more reliable source

[charred surge]

Dang it you deleted it

How does leaking even work ‘cause I strongly doubt anyone is physically squirreling away with documents, is it just hackerman shit

[opaque sigil]

It’s people hearing rumors

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

it is

thats all it ever is

[wheat sail]

for leaks that are real, in the process of companies communicating each other a lot of people are involved and one guy tells the twitter guy

[charred surge]

Can’t wait to get Mew from under that truck in Silksong 🔥

[harsh yarrow]

I epect the samus hunter leak to be complete bullshit

[wheat sail]

thats their source

[harsh yarrow]

Whats more likely is that one person tells someone, then that someone tells twitter

[shell yacht]

this happened in lore at least twice

[wheat sail]

same thing

[opaque sigil]

I don’t remember either of those though I do remember somebody thinking rain world and HK were shared universe

[charred surge]

What are they talking about

[shell yacht]

ew yeah that one was somwhow worse

[olive bobcat]

The scene of girls kissing in the Scott Pilgrim anime

[charred surge]

How, hk doesn’t look even remotely like a toby fox game, did they just think indie = toby fox??

[shell yacht]

yes

[wheat sail]

toby fox gave birth to indie games

[shell yacht]

also psa rainworld sucks

[quiet knot]

I knew

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-we-have-a-true-get-this-man-a-true-true-gif-8856917097123019081

[wheat sail]

rain world is too hard for the average gamer

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-or-fact-call-it-jjba-gif-4356782155168095918

[wheat sail]

normies i would say

[opaque sigil]

Rain world is cool just not to play

[charred surge]

Can confirm as someone who never played rw, I just think the world and stuff is cool

[shell yacht]

also it woulnt be a stretch for someone totally ignorant of development to hear "indie games" and think indie is a company

[quiet knot]

Lol

You know what i used to think

I thought Indie games was Indian games

[opaque sigil]

I mean indie is a term outside of just gaming but sure

[wheat sail]

indie music (bad)

[quiet knot]

Hey...

I listen to Indie music

[opaque sigil]

You know what I miss mid budget media

[olive bobcat]

Indie, like music

Or the Jones

[shell yacht]

the only other one i expect to be mixed up is indiana jones

[wheat sail]

I thought it was related to the show How to be Indie

[opaque sigil]

Not total novice creators, but the budget isn’t so big they can’t take any risks

[charred surge]

We should force hollywood to have a budget of one $100 bill per movie and see what happens

[opaque sigil]

There are movies like that and some of em are good

[quiet knot]

250+ million dollar movies are stupid

They end up looking terrible

[wheat sail]

just dont advertise

[charred surge]

All the more reason to do so

[wheat sail]

and its less

[olive bobcat]

Lay off Red One

[opaque sigil]

I genuinely think the exploding budget of game production is one of the driving things making aaas bland 😔

[quiet knot]

Red one is dogshit

Steaming pile of dogshit

[olive bobcat]

So I've heard

[charred surge]

“ah man how am I ever gonna make this movie???
Green screens : (that one gif of mercy overwatch or whatever her name is)

[olive bobcat]

35M box office or something

[wheat sail]

Red One? is this a clifford movie?

[quiet knot]

HAH

Watch Dwayne Johnson make some BS excuse on why the movie failed

[wheat sail]

Dwayne cant lose on screen

[charred surge]

Has there always been a niche of “what if Santa was FUCKED UP” movies or have people just gone crazy this year

[olive bobcat]

I'd bet

[quiet knot]

Having a star studded cast no longer means a good turn out nowadays

Which is good imo

[opaque sigil]

I think it’s always existed? Idk I’m a Jew I don’t watch Christmas movies

[olive bobcat]

Watch a real Christmas movie

[charred surge]

It challenged the hierarchy of power too much,,,

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-handshake-fist-bump-fist-pump-hit-it-gif-15558384

[quiet knot]

Christmas Carol

[wheat sail]

Caroline

[rustic ore]

TRUE

Klaus my fucking joat

[charred surge]

What if Dwayne Johnson made a Hanukkah movie that’d be fucked up

[olive bobcat]

Clearly that is Jesper

[rustic ore]

[quiet knot]

Is he even Jewish

[charred surge]

(Muppets version)

[rustic ore]

Not-Kuzco

[opaque sigil]

That would be hilarious, gotta get a scene of bashing a Greek soldier over the head with a menorah

[quiet knot]

Roman?

[wheat sail]

then a singing scene

[opaque sigil]

Greek

[quiet knot]

Oh

[olive bobcat]

Different VAs btw

[charred surge]

I know the Romans did stuff but what’d the Greeks do

[rustic ore]

i know, David Spade and not-David Spade

[olive bobcat]

David Spade and David Shovel

[opaque sigil]

Google who Antiochus was

[charred surge]

Oh shit I looked up wikipedia article on Hanukkah and saw it says Seleucid empire

Why didn’t I know this? Am I stupid?

[wheat sail]

Are you from there

[inland ravine]

hi everyone

[vernal oracle]

yo dante

silksong's tutorial got boring

I'm gonna play gta 6

[serene chasm]

GWNJ!

[coral prawn]

True ss sucks

[charred surge]

I don’t know how many more comparisons involving Silksong and gta6 I can take

[wheat sail]

girl with job omg

[harsh yarrow]

Im slightly sad we dont know how Moss Grotto/Bonebottom connects to Deepdocks

[wheat sail]

They both took 12 years to develop and are the biggest games of the generation

[vernal oracle]

look at my profile buddy

anyone up for gta 6 gamenight fr

[serene chasm]

SS is more hardcore. The mission where you rob a bank with Sherma is more violent then anything that GTA has ever done

[inland ravine]

CURLY

[charred surge]

I saw, and I know you’re probably using some sort of dark magic to accomplish that

[opaque sigil]

Sure we do bonebottom is between moss grotto and a lava area

[inland ravine]

kirb with star omg

[wheat sail]

probably bettter than payday 3

[inland ravine]

[vernal oracle]

I hacked rockstar games

the game isnt completed

ITS NEVER

coming out

it has NO progress

[harsh yarrow]

tragoc

[vernal oracle]

this is worse then the time I was playing silksong

[harsh yarrow]

tragic

[charred surge]

I still think bonebottom is a goofy name

[vernal oracle]

this is fake dont believe it

[harsh yarrow]

Its a contrast to the first game

[opaque sigil]

It’s at the bottom of the kingdom and it’s got bones whaddaya want

[harsh yarrow]

Bonebottom instead of Dirtmouth

I hope that they have more towns with vendors spread out

[shell yacht]

i hope bonebottom gets put near the top

[serene chasm]

I do feel like that is going to be the case

[harsh yarrow]

Because it was really goddamn silly with there being 3 vendors outside of Dirtmouth

[serene chasm]

We've already seen 3 towns

[charred surge]

Hrmm

Bonedepths

Bonetrench

[weary tapir]

third run ever I see why people are addicted to this game this is a problem

[opaque sigil]

Skelechasm

[serene chasm]

Kinda hope we get to build up bonebottom.

[weary tapir]

that'd be neat

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[coral prawn]

Its just gambling without money

[weary tapir]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

I maintain that edge supports this as plausible if not likely

[olive bobcat]

uh old title thing I tried to make

[harsh yarrow]

Bonebottom is very much near the bottom of the world

[charred surge]

I feel like there’s a conspiracy to get me to eventually try balatro

[weary tapir]

the idea of building up a place to be better is cool

[opaque sigil]

.

[weary tapir]

its like crack

its crazy

[opaque sigil]

.

[harsh yarrow]

Its the first town of the game, hornet falls down to the deepest depths of pharloom

[charred surge]

Can’t wait to see that one guy eat shit when we fight the big skull spider thingy

[coral prawn]

I have been trying to avoid it like the plauge

[opaque sigil]

ikr look at that chump

[harsh yarrow]

Bonebottom could be a pilgrims camp or another dying village on the outskirts of Pharloom

[opaque sigil]

Hornet should be able to kill any NPC for unique drops

[olive bobcat]

Hoping that halfway through the game Moss Grotto or Bonebottom or smth catches fire and becomes Burned Grotto

[wheat sail]

Genocide run?

😔

[charred surge]

Tfw when you accidentally kill sherma but you get a pale ore equivalent

[harsh yarrow]

I do wonder if they'll do something like that again

[wheat sail]

this undertale shit

[harsh yarrow]

Because infected crossroads was annoying as fuck

[opaque sigil]

If they do area changes I hope they don’t destroy a pretty one. Crossroads wasn’t a sacrifice but a lot of ss areas would be

[harsh yarrow]

Moss Grotto being one of them, honestly

Moss Grotto is really pretty

[tawdry valley]

The NPCs I’ve murdered in fallout games just to steal their hat

[serene chasm]

Haunted Grotto

[charred surge]

I like the idea of infected crossroads but it makes me sad you can’t experience the forgotten crossroads experience late game cuz that vibe is immaculate

[opaque sigil]

Murder Hobornet

[coral prawn]

It would be fine if they didn't block the path

[harsh yarrow]

The vibes of crossroad are great

[tawdry valley]

FC is arguably the plainest area in game.

[serene chasm]

Honestly. I wish the infection spread the more dreamers you defeated

[violet path]

Ya that would be

Thatd be cool man

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

That would've been cooler

[violet path]

Too bad they didnt do that yknow

[tawdry valley]

They did a pretty good job, but if like 30% of the enemies in game had infected counterparts once their areas got turned it would honestly be the coolest thing

[charred surge]

But I like the gloomy and melancholic and somber atmosphere

[harsh yarrow]

Seeing the infection spread into Greenpath, Resting Grounds, and maybe Fungal?

[frigid karma]

They kinda did that to the crossroads but yeah, would've been cool if it happened in other places

[coral prawn]

And that getting wings didn't start the infection

[opaque sigil]

Dreamers are probably not the best thing to link it to if they wanted to do more stages

[tawdry valley]

Maya and the moss prophet were enough to convey the spread though

[opaque sigil]

Do like claw, wings, shade cloak

[violet path]

Isnt that only if you do it before a certain amt of dreamers

[charred surge]

Volatiler Mosskin

[olive bobcat]

Maybe if Hollow Knight were good we wouldn't have this problem

[violet path]

Probably just a progression thing

[harsh yarrow]

I mean, when I first played the game I didnt go after all dreamers at once

I spread them out

[violet path]

Agreed

They didnt need to bloat every area like crossroads

[harsh yarrow]

fair enough

[frigid karma]

It's funcionally just a jellyfish core just lying there

[coral prawn]

Getting the wing before any of the dreamers makes the forgotten crossroads infected

[harsh yarrow]

Just would've been cool to see its spread more visibly

[violet path]

Ya probably just gameplay related

[coral prawn]

It is and I don't like it

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it’s just an arbitrary trigger, dreamers are the same killing one doesn’t actually cause infection to worsen

[charred surge]

Greenpath? More like minefield

[opaque sigil]

Dreamers and wings are the triggers because ig tc thought those could happen around the same time

[charred surge]

Wings were the secret 4th dreamer, someone bring this to #l*re immediately

[violet path]

Id say thats fair ig

[opaque sigil]

And to make you trigger it whether you beeline objectives or not

[violet path]

Honestly that does sound fun

[coral prawn]

I mean killing a dreams probably weakings the seal and could make the infection stronger close to it

[opaque sigil]

That doesn’t really matter the physical barrier there does nothing to keep infection in

[violet path]

“Yo so my new theory that pk secretly hid the power of a dreamer/ a fourth seal in the wings as a backup plan”

[opaque sigil]

Dreamers just keep things out of the egg they don’t directly do anything to stem infection

[violet path]

I mean you just assumed that

[olive bobcat]

If he did that then why wouldn't the Knight know, seeing how they're the same character

[opaque sigil]

No it’s stated

[sick elm]

Lore Tablet: Resting Grounds - Dreamer Statue

To protect the Vessel, the Dreamers lay sleeping.
Monomon the Teacher
In her Archive, surrounded by fog and mist.
Lurien the Watcher
In his Spire, looking over the city.
Herrah the Beast
In her Den, amidst the deep darkness beyond the kingdom.
Through their devotion, Hallownest lasts eternal.

@tammo6424 used /lore-tablets area: Resting Grounds name: Dreamer Statue

[harsh yarrow]

The dreamers are actively involved in its defense of the Black Egg/Hollow Knight

otherwise they would try to stop the Knight repeatedly

[opaque sigil]

They’re there to protect the vessel, the vessel is there to trap rad

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[charred surge]

Died 2024, Born 2024, welcome back matpat

[violet path]

Right their seals separate the black egg from the rest of hallownest

[coral prawn]

Unrelated but those are some boring statues

[violet path]

The black egg is where the infection is leaking from

[frigid karma]

I remember one of the dreamers wants you to kill them, which wouldn't really make sense if that would unleash the infection

[opaque sigil]

It’s not leaking from anywhere it’s a mind plague that’s dispersed across the region

[frigid karma]

More the knight inside the egg than the egg itself

[charred surge]

I disagree

[harsh yarrow]

Monomon knew the Hollow Knight was weakening, and that the infection spreading more was inevitable

[violet path]

Maybe it knows that the original plan is a clear failure and tk might be able to actually do something

[harsh yarrow]

What was to loose trying a new, potentially pure, vessel?

Although I doubt the Knight is truely pure

[coral prawn]

Its just a pillar with their face on it

[opaque sigil]

Monomon wouldn’t want a pure vessel to replace THK even if TK was

Monomon just wants it to end

[charred surge]

It’s a monolith, which are inherently cool

[coral prawn]

I have to disagree

[harsh yarrow]

True

[tawdry valley]

Tragic

[harsh yarrow]

Re-reading her dreamnail dialouge she did want the statis on Hallownest to end

[violet path]

Doesnt the infection get amplified at the start of the game with thk’s shell cracking

Havent played in years might be remembering wrong

[frigid karma]

I mean she wants you to get in the egg, not unleash the infection. If her death unleashed the infection she probably wouldn't be as cool with it

[violet path]

Lore discussions are boring

[opaque sigil]

Because she’s breaking out of the psychic prison but that’s not the vector of infection

[violet path]

Ok but clearly the things aren’t separate

[opaque sigil]

She’s pretty clear about infection being the preferable outcome. “Better an end”

[violet path]

Then why does the area closest to the black egg temple get hit the worst when the seals start to break

[sick elm]

Dreamers - Monomon - Monomon Dream Nailed

...For diversity, a Seal...
...A world forever unchanging...
...the Seals, must break...
...Forever...
...Forever...
...Better, an end...

@tammo6424 used /npcs quest name: Dreamers category: Monomon dialogue: Monomon Dream Nailed

[violet path]

Thats not very clear i would say

[opaque sigil]

Because dreams are anchored to places so there’s not literally zero impact of proximity

But it has nothing to do with the dreamer seal and physical barriers don’t do shit

[frigid karma]

But the radiance, who is causing the dreams, is at that specific physical location

[opaque sigil]

But the mechanism of dispersal isn’t physical and can’t be blocked

Also she’s not in that physical location she’s in a dream anchored in that physical location

[frigid karma]

Thk blocked it for a few years before breaking down iirc

[opaque sigil]

Not physically

[frigid karma]

Well not really blocked more supressed for like a month befere losing drastically but still

[harsh yarrow]

THK blocked the infection for an unknown amount of time

[violet path]

Ya

[harsh yarrow]

Enough time for Hallownest to fall apart completely

[opaque sigil]

The way THK worked is completely unique and not something you could replicate with barriers

[harsh yarrow]

If I had to guess, THK worked for a hundred years or so

[opaque sigil]

It was meant to cut off her ability to leave the dream she’s in and bounce around the collective unconscious

[harsh yarrow]

But with the Pale King gone, the kingdom fell apart

[violet path]

Ok but these arent just physical barriers if were talking about the dreamers’ seals, are they not barriers of the mind hence why theyre related to the dream nail

[opaque sigil]

They’re physical barriers

[violet path]

How old is hornet then if she was born before the seals were put into effect

[opaque sigil]

They’re only related to the dream nail because TK needs that to bypass physical defenses and kill them

[harsh yarrow]

Quite old

Shes a pale being

[slate wagon]

hornet is an old lady

[harsh yarrow]

Shes likely older than Elderbug, at least

[violet path]

Isnt she just a higher being

[opaque sigil]

No

[violet path]

So is everyone

[slate wagon]

yes

[opaque sigil]

‘Pale being’ isn’t really an existing category either

[harsh yarrow]

Shes as old as THK and the Knight

[wheat sail]

elderbug aint so elder

[frigid karma]

Iirc the dreamer's seals were to the egg, not to the radiance. The radiance was sealed in thk

[harsh yarrow]

I'd think, at least

[frigid karma]

God i haven't played hk in like 3 years my memory is failinf

[harsh yarrow]

I still like the daughter of 3 queens theory TC had going with her early on

[violet path]

Yes but whatever the hell these dream seals are made of seemed to have an effect at holding back the infection, hence why it spreads as you take out the seals no?

[opaque sigil]

Maybe if hive wasn’t moved it’d make some sense

[violet path]

Or.. yknow get a double jump

[harsh yarrow]

Born to Herrah, raised by the White Lady, Trained by Vespa

[opaque sigil]

No the spread just happens with time as rad breaks out

That’s why wings also do it

It’s just time passing

[frigid karma]

Yeah the daughter of hallownest as in she carries a part of every culture is such a cool concept

[harsh yarrow]

Eh, She was already moved between Deepnest and (I assume) the White Palace, whats a trip into Kingdoms Edge?

[opaque sigil]

She wasn’t moved to white palace

She was just in deepnest

[violet path]

Evidence?

[wheat sail]

Dark souls 3 remaster before silksong

[harsh yarrow]

Im going with the daughter of 3 queens theory still

[opaque sigil]

Actual lore she was just a gift for Herrah, she didn’t really have anything to do in wp

[slate wagon]

i don’t think pk was that involved after he had her
being a good father was never his strong suit

[harsh yarrow]

PK wasnt, White Lady was

[opaque sigil]

She wasn’t

[harsh yarrow]

She grew affectionate of Hornet, or least came to like her at some point

[opaque sigil]

She has even less reason to be involved

[frigid karma]

In actual lore i assume it was sorta like a political marriage where the heir is from both kingdoms so they're chill now

[opaque sigil]

Not really? It wasn’t a unification thing hornet was just a gift

[violet path]

Lmao just saw a theory online that broken vessel is storing away so much infection and thats why getting wings causes spread

[harsh yarrow]

"I never begrudged the Wyrm's dalliance as bargain. In fact, I feel some affection for the creature birthed."

[opaque sigil]

That is not the way somebody describes someone they actually care about

[harsh yarrow]

O giess

I guess*

[frigid karma]

It is in old Shakespeare drama english

[violet path]

Do you know what the word affection means

[harsh yarrow]

She does also call hornet a creature in the same breath

[violet path]

She is

[opaque sigil]

“I feel some affection for the creature birthed”

[violet path]

They are all creatures

[opaque sigil]

How warm and cuddly

[violet path]

Shes a tree i dont think shes gonna speak like us humans

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-letter-gif-23257484

[violet path]

O!

[frigid karma]

Yeah, it's not a 1 to 1 comparison but sorta like that. Not every political marriage ended in unification either. She was part of a peace treaty where part of strengthening the ties between the nations was an heir who shared blood is what i meant

[violet path]

Thats a lot of words and stuff

[frigid karma]

O?

[harsh yarrow]

Hornet was a gift to Herrah for Herrah becoming a seal

[violet path]

Ya

[opaque sigil]

Sure but it was very directional, Hornet wasn’t in shared custody or anything

[frigid karma]

Its 3 sentences man...

[violet path]

2 too many

[charred surge]

Maybe hallownestians just show affection in fucked up, theatrical manners

[harsh yarrow]

I do think that it was also a bit of an effort to normalize relations between the Weavers and Hallownest

[violet path]

Thats what i gathered from the game

[harsh yarrow]

Hidden Station and Distant Village Station and all

[violet path]

Ok all county auditions tomorrow and its midnight good night people

[opaque sigil]

Silk trade was a thing yes

Much to lemm’s chagrin

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

I feel kinda bad for Lemm

[frigid karma]

The business management sim sequel to silksong

[harsh yarrow]

So much of Hallownests later history lost to Silk decaying

[olive bobcat]

Lemm wasn't the same after that tenth egg

[charred surge]

Lemm would be horrified by paper

[charred surge]

Silkclicker

[opaque sigil]

In better conditions he probably wouldn’t mind

[harsh yarrow]

One of my favorite things in Hollowknight-

[weary tapir]

The idea of a fucking business management spinoff in the hollow knight universe is so funny

[harsh yarrow]

what in the fuck is Shellwood

[charred surge]

It’s shellwood, duh

[frigid karma]

Lemm crying over a usb knowing all that soft data is gone in the future

[weary tapir]

Play as like cornifers wife during the events of the og hollow knight

Nothing happens until he comes up

[frigid karma]

Hk equivalent of plywood

[weary tapir]

There’s a reason she looks so bored all the time

[harsh yarrow]

Yes, but there are no trees in Hallownest

[frigid karma]

That's why they use shell

Hence shellwood

[opaque sigil]

There are plenty of plants but zote also isn’t from Hallownest

[harsh yarrow]

Isnt there a "Shellwood Forest" in Silksong?

[charred surge]

There are a lot of plants tho, there’s probably some that have sturdy enough skin or whatever

[frigid karma]

Is there? That sounds sick

[opaque sigil]

Thorn plants would work

[harsh yarrow]

I think that was one of the things pulled from video metadata

[frigid karma]

Wait does that mean zote is from pharloom bc his sword is shellwood?

[charred surge]

Can’t wait to see whatever dysfunctional family zote had in silksog

[opaque sigil]

No

[frigid karma]

Yes

[harsh yarrow]

No

[frigid karma]

Yes

[harsh yarrow]

Just that Pharloom has more Shellwood

[frigid karma]

We're gonna see an entire litter of baby zotes

[charred surge]

This is how we can still do the eternal ordeal without godhome

[harsh yarrow]

Im guessing that Shellwood was a trade item

[frigid karma]

We're gonna travel to zotetown in silksong and meet his dad

[opaque sigil]

There are plenty of domestic plants and inter kingdom trading is incredibly impractical

[harsh yarrow]

But there is 0 way that all the crystal minned in CPeaks are for domestic consumption

[opaque sigil]

They probably are

Hallownest was a booming civilization

[frigid karma]

I imagine its like the eucalyptus trees in california

[opal olive]

Do they export?

We could find some exported goods from Hallownest in Pharloom if so

[opaque sigil]

No they don’t even believe other kingdoms exist

[wheat sail]

Silkroad

[harsh yarrow]

They didnt, at least

[charred surge]

I doubt a kingdom calling itself the last and only civilization would be performing a lot of trade

[serene chasm]

I dont think TC put that much thought into the economics of Hallownest

[harsh yarrow]

Its unclear to me if other kingdoms did exist, but eventually fell silent

[opal olive]

Oh...

[wheat sail]

team cherry:

[opaque sigil]

They put enough to state that the resource flow was towards the city

[opal olive]

The Hallownest stock market

[harsh yarrow]

or if those tablets were made premptively

[frigid karma]

Maybe they traded with other kingdoms that died first and when they were all gone it was like "well i guess we're the only ones"

[harsh yarrow]

Because its clearly false- other kingdoms do exist

and travel between them is possible

[opal olive]

the lands between the kingdoms seem to be barren and dangerous though

Like traveling across the Gobi desert

[opaque sigil]

Travel is not possible for most Hallownest bugs

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[frigid karma]

People still travelled across the gobi irl

[harsh yarrow]

Thats the big issue with trade between areas

[opal olive]

Only gigachads like Quirrel

[opal olive]

yes ik

but it was hard

[harsh yarrow]

But people did wild stuff for expensive shit

[opaque sigil]

He probably couldn’t do it without magical assistance

[harsh yarrow]

Zote and the Knight managed

[opal olive]

Yeah I went to America for some Nike shoes for school

[harsh yarrow]

And Maybe Corny+Iselda

[frigid karma]

If zote can do it anyone can

[serene chasm]

Lands Between you say?

[opaque sigil]

Yes all of them are better suited for travel than Quirrel

[opal olive]

zote was from outside?

[opal olive]

Haha you got it

[opaque sigil]

Quirrel would probably lose his mind without the mask

[frigid karma]

Zote in elden ring wtf

[harsh yarrow]

I doubt Zote is any better than Quirel

Quirel is a skilled fighter

[opal olive]

He has the 57 principles though

[harsh yarrow]

zote... zote has plot armor

[opaque sigil]

It’s not about being better it’s about not needing the magic to have a mind

[opal olive]

exactly

Unless we leave him to die

then his plot armor... fails

[opaque sigil]

Zote doesn’t need it Quirrel does without additional intervention

[frigid karma]

Bc zote wasn't given a mind by the pale king is he's from elsewhere

[opaque sigil]

Hallownest has a big ol magical spell that gives a bunch of things minds while they’re there and only while they’re there

[harsh yarrow]

Sadly mask lore is completely nonsensical

[opaque sigil]

It’s not mask lore it’s wyrm lore

[harsh yarrow]

and lore around how bugs loose their minds beyond the wastes

[frigid karma]

Or maybe zote doesn't have a mind to lose bc he's stupid

[opaque sigil]

Monomon’s mask has additional magic shit on it it’s not being a mask that’s important

[harsh yarrow]

yeah, the masks I assume are just uhh

fuck whats the world

word

ceremonial

[opaque sigil]

Masks don’t really do anything unless they have additional spells on them

And most things don’t wear masks

[harsh yarrow]

Least not in Hallownest

[opaque sigil]

And it’s not that bugs lose their minds due to the wastes doing something, it’s Hallownest that’s weird

[harsh yarrow]

Fair point

Pale Kings beacon give bugs without minds minds

[opaque sigil]

Not all of them but a bunch of them

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

Maybe masks are important to them when leaving?

Idk

eh mask lore is a pointless mess XD

[opaque sigil]

Masks aren’t special

[frigid karma]

Maybe it was a status symbol

[serene chasm]

mask maker disliked that

[harsh yarrow]

They have some role in society

[opaque sigil]

Mask maker isn’t talking literally he’s talking about identity

[harsh yarrow]

Not much beyond that can be properly determined

[opaque sigil]

In his paradigm being granted a mind by the beacon is being given a ‘mask’

[serene chasm]

We all wear mask in society

[inland ravine]

sweating cause my oc wears mask

[harsh yarrow]

I eventually want to make a Hollow Knight OC

[serene chasm]

is your oc wearing a mask, or is it you who wears it?

[inland ravine]

she wears a kitsune mask

[harsh yarrow]

probs based on this

[inland ravine]

fuck

i want to make hana ref sheet

and my bodies are like "fuck this, i'm too lazy"

[harsh yarrow]

lol

Masks are curious....some do certainly have power beyond just cerimonial

But its the exception

not the rule

Godseekers masks namely

[opaque sigil]

Masks specifically enchanted to do other shit have those enchantments

[harsh yarrow]

They have the focus spiral

[serene chasm]

Im hoping they explore more world lore in SS

[harsh yarrow]

Pharloom doesnt seem to hold masks in high regard

[opaque sigil]

I’m not sure there really is a ‘world lore’ to explore

[harsh yarrow]

Which lends more evidence to them being just ceremonial

[serene chasm]

I mean, There has to be some connection between Pharloom and Hallownest.

[harsh yarrow]

I expect at best, it'll be trade goods

[opaque sigil]

Weavers went from one to the other and back to flee infection

[harsh yarrow]

Maybe Whats her bucket who was in love with Zote

[charred surge]

Silksong will confirm that it and hk take place within a setting

[serene chasm]

SS just turns into a 4x game half way through

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-bucket-team-fortress-tf-gif-15812649

[harsh yarrow]

lol

[sick elm]

Charm: Weaversong

Silken charm containing a song of farewell, left by the Weavers who departed Hallownest for their old home.

Summons weaverlings to give the lonely bearer some companionship and protection.

@tammo6424 used /charms category: L-W charm: Weaversong

[harsh yarrow]

Hollow Knight RTS game

[serene chasm]

Dont say to too loud though. You might wake Ttacco

[opaque sigil]

Kingdoms are generally pretty insular though there’s probably not going to be much in ss about the world beyond

[harsh yarrow]

In the style of the original Starcraft or the Starcrafts mod... could be interesting

[frigid karma]

Can't wait for hollow wars 2

[opaque sigil]

(Unless the wastes are actually veeeery localized around Hallownest but that would be very odd)

[harsh yarrow]

No, the wastes is a large expanse

I dont think it was always that way

[violet path]

Yall still doing this

Uhh

[harsh yarrow]

I want to say that Hallownest wasnt very special durring its founding

[frigid karma]

I'm pretty sure the wastes are just the climate outside of the dirtmound hallownest is in

[harsh yarrow]

But what made it special is the statis the Hollow Knight/Pale King put it in

Perserving it far longer than its neighboors

[violet path]

Is hallownest in a dirtmound?

[frigid karma]

Idk man, it's underground

[opaque sigil]

It’s a cave system in a cave system

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[violet path]

Ig i can kinda see it

[serene chasm]

Pharloom is just another layer deeper

[frigid karma]

They have a place called crystal peak which is clearly a mountain so i guess you can call it a dirtmount

[serene chasm]

Its caves all the way down

[violet path]

I wonder if in pharloom we’ll see the surface

[opaque sigil]

Fr

[lament lotus]

hollow knight isn't on the surface right

[harsh yarrow]

What Silksong really makes me question though

what, and how, does lifeblood spread?

[opaque sigil]

There’s no reason to think there really is a surface surface

Infinite caves gang

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

I like the idea that Hollow Knight is just caves all the way down

[frigid karma]

Oh god not lifeblood lore

[harsh yarrow]

Hornet gets lifeblood in Pharloom

[opaque sigil]

Lifeblood spreads by the seeds presumably

Originates from dreams

[violet path]

That doesnt make sense geographically

[harsh yarrow]

But Pharloom has it

[opaque sigil]

Sure it does

[violet path]

Can we even assume hk takes place on a planet

[opaque sigil]

Nope

[violet path]

Maybe the world is shaped like a

[lament lotus]

youre thinking way too big

[violet path]

Holy crap what it the whole world is just a giant wyrm that theyre all inside

[opaque sigil]

Wyrms are big they aren’t that big

[frigid karma]

Hk was all just a dream

[harsh yarrow]

Hollow Knight takes place in a lava tube

:3

[violet path]

Tell me where in the game it states the impossibility of a wyrm being that big

[harsh yarrow]

On the moon

[opaque sigil]

You can formulate an argument for it being a dream past greenpath

[harsh yarrow]

And lunar lava tubes are fucking massive

[opaque sigil]

I mean we see one

[frigid karma]

The entire universe is just a great worm's dream like kn bloodbourne

[opaque sigil]

It’s big

[opaque sigil]

It’s not that big

[cerulean sable]

i know this is unpopular but i really wish we do see a somewhat "surface" of the world even if its very barren (because everyone technically lives underground)

[harsh yarrow]

Wyrms are massive

[opaque sigil]

Boo

[violet path]

We also seem it in a different form way way smaller

[cerulean sable]

thats just me ok 😔

[harsh yarrow]

The Pale Kings old body is spiraled all throughout Kingdoms Edge

[frigid karma]

We kinda do, the howling cliffs

[violet path]

So its already implied they can adapt and change form wildly to something of a significantly different size

[lament lotus]

the surface is war ridden and its been centuries since anyone has gone up there

[harsh yarrow]

That assumes that it is the surface

[violet path]

Sounds like youre arguing on team hallowwyrm

[harsh yarrow]

Which I dont think it does

[frigid karma]

We can assume the rest of the surface is just a barren windy desert

[opaque sigil]

For one it’s metamorphosis they just do it once. For another the existence of multiple wyrms precludes them from being the size of the universe

[violet path]

Oh ya where does the wind come from

[cerulean sable]

in the original draft its implied that Cliffs/Dirtmouth isnt even the surface surface

[opaque sigil]

Big cave

[harsh yarrow]

Its possible that the cave is large enough for winds to happen

[opaque sigil]

Have weather

[harsh yarrow]

Its not impossible

Fuck large buildings have weather

[frigid karma]

Oh rlly? In that case damn

[opaque sigil]

Also pk has wind powers

[harsh yarrow]

NASAs VAB has issues with it forming its own Rain on their expensive rockets

[violet path]

Neither of these statements have any evidence

[frigid karma]

When we get to the surface and see the sun for the first time it's gonna be crazy

[harsh yarrow]

....not to mention that for awhile it had a concrete rain issue as the ceiling was falling apart

[violet path]

Well we did already yknow

[frigid karma]

What when

[violet path]

Fight it

[opaque sigil]

If wyrms were the size of the universe multiple could not exist in the universe

[frigid karma]

That was an imaginary dream sun not the actual sun

[opaque sigil]

KE, monarchflies

[violet path]

One being able to be the size of the world doesnt mean they all are

[harsh yarrow]

We only know of one wyrm, the Pale King, and we have suggestions of another wyrm which is quite pointless

[frigid karma]

Having wings to fly is not controlling the wind

[harsh yarrow]

I mena

[violet path]

Is shaq the same size as a baby

[frigid karma]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

We know they exist in numbers due to bardoon and Mr mushroom

[harsh yarrow]

The Wind is in both Kingdoms edge

[opaque sigil]

They generate wind throughout basin

[harsh yarrow]

and in Ancient Basin

[opaque sigil]

When you get the wings wind stops

[lament lotus]

what if bardoon was just an evolved wyrm

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

It’s not perturbations from them flying because there are other flying things in the area

[harsh yarrow]

PK very much has wind powers lol

[violet path]

What if tk is actually not a hollow vessel but just a wyrm..

[opaque sigil]

He’s pretty clear about not being

[frigid karma]

Damn that's the first I've heard of em but seems legit enough

[harsh yarrow]

Bardoon is a very fat catapillar lol

or some other long bug

[lament lotus]

damn..

[opaque sigil]

He’s a caterpillar yes

[violet path]

Oh ya like he’d tell some random stranger if he was a wyrm

[frigid karma]

Bardoon is just a little guy

[harsh yarrow]

But we only know of 2 that are named

And one of them the name is all we know lol

[opaque sigil]

We only know of 1 named

[lament lotus]

he so awesome

[harsh yarrow]

Theres the Pale King and "Black Wyrm"

But its unclear what the black wyrm is

[lament lotus]

yeah

[frigid karma]

Bardoon could solo all of hk tbh

[opaque sigil]

Blackwyrm is very likely not actually a wyrm

[lament lotus]

biggest mystery in all if hk

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

If there was another wyrm in Hallownest at any point it would be super obvious

Godseeker would be screaming about it

[frigid karma]

Iirc they say battle of blackwyrm so it sounds more like it's a place

[harsh yarrow]

True

Fair point

[violet path]

Godseekers stupid

[harsh yarrow]

Maybe another wyrm corpse, further off?

[frigid karma]

Maybe their population is just really low so there are like 10 roaming the world

[harsh yarrow]

Or well, maybe a battle fought in Kingdoms Edge?

[opaque sigil]

The knights wouldn’t really be sent way out of the kingdom

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

And if it was in ke that would be well within Godseeker detection range

[frigid karma]

Maybe the blackwyrm's corpse is where all the dust in the howling cliffs comes from

[harsh yarrow]

maybe "Blackwrym" was the name given to the corpse of the PKs first/older form?

[frigid karma]

Like the molt in KE is from pk's skin

[opaque sigil]

Howling cliffs has nothing remotely like that

It has some sand kicked up by wind maybe

[frigid karma]

Idk man I'm just spitballing

[frigid karma]

We don't see all of the howling cliffs though bc the wind pushes us back

[opaque sigil]

It’s ultimately a throwaway line meant to sound cool it doesn’t mean anything

[opaque sigil]

We don’t need to

[frigid karma]

Maybe further along across the wind we see the corpse

[opaque sigil]

Also if there was a wyrm there then the kingdom wouldn’t end there because there would be another beacon

HC is the end of the beacon

[frigid karma]

No beacon bc the guy is dead

That's why he's dust currently

[opaque sigil]

So is pk beacon doesn’t need the wyrm to live

[olive bobcat]

There must be a silkwyrm there could be no other solution

[opaque sigil]

Also Quirrel comic if there was a wyrm around you’d see it there too

[frigid karma]

I always assumed the bugs started losing their consciousness when pk died

[opaque sigil]

And you’d see it in game because it would be laughably absurd to have it in the lore that there’s a dead wyrm and put it juuuuuuust offscreen

[harsh yarrow]

we do though

Quirel Comic

well

we see more

[opaque sigil]

Like does this genuinely seem plausible

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[frigid karma]

It would be incredibly funny

[harsh yarrow]

Another dead wyrm would be a bit stupid

[opaque sigil]

I mean even ignoring that the idea that it’s there but tc deliberately decided to hide it

[frigid karma]

Honestly the blackwyrm stuff does feel like a throwaway line but the idea of another wyrm corpse out there is cool enough for me to believe so I'll buy it

[opaque sigil]

Not seeing any sorta blackwyrm around is definitely indication that there isn’t another dead wyrm nearby

[quiet token]

all the bugs in hallownest are just making shit up they don't know what the fuck is goin on i solved the lore

[harsh yarrow]

I like my new theory that the black wyrm is just the Pale Kings corpse

[opaque sigil]

And ofc there’s the absence of a p5 room

[olive bobcat]

Persona 5 room

[frigid karma]

That's actually valid how tf are the bug historians supposed to know exactly what happened

[opaque sigil]

They can write

[harsh yarrow]

In this case, its because Dung Defender was uh

[olive bobcat]

But they can lie

[harsh yarrow]

There

he fought in that battle

[frigid karma]

Dung defender can't write and is old af he can't recount shit

[quiet token]

no they can't, all of them are illiterate and are just pretending to scribble words down cause they're embarassed about it

[opaque sigil]

He is a knight and one of the most esteemed agents of the king he was probably literate

[frigid karma]

He swims in sewer poop

Doesn't seem very bright

[harsh yarrow]

He was probably friends with the PK

directly

[opaque sigil]

GKs reported directly to the monarchs

[frigid karma]

What a jerk not giving his friend reading lessons

[harsh yarrow]

Dung Defender can actually read... and write

he does

Hes got a sign saying that Ismas grove is under his protection

[opaque sigil]

To the point where the seal is the symbol of both their and the king’s authority

[frigid karma]

He put that though voice to text and printed it probably

[harsh yarrow]

what

[quiet token]

mfs probably paid people to write words for them like in the good ol' times

[frigid karma]

Got isma to write it for him and left the sign there

[quiet token]

not a coincidence that menderbug is one of the only bugs to have written a book and is the one to write words down on the crossroad signs

[frigid karma]

Yeah dd probably just paid menderbug to make the sign bc he can't read

I mean, it's a sign! Who else makes signs in hallownest?

[quiet token]

the only tether to hallownests library of knowledge destroyed by descending dark 😔

[harsh yarrow]

I dont think Hallownest was in a state for that when he made the sign

[harsh yarrow]

Isma was probably already dead by then

Or well

Plantified

[frigid karma]

I wonder what hallownest's literacy rate was like back then

[harsh yarrow]

But anyways, that was a fun convo in general

[serene chasm]

4

[harsh yarrow]

We've got to discuss lifeblood and how Hornet has some in Pharloom

[opaque sigil]

Doesn’t seem bad, it’s possible the beacon just gives it to you

[harsh yarrow]

I'm very curious about how it got there

[opaque sigil]

Probably from a dream

[harsh yarrow]

Probably

We haven't seen any lifeblood cocoons/seeds, yet

[frigid karma]

Lifeblood seeds seem really similar to lightseeds so maybe

[opaque sigil]

They’re not but that’s not why it’s probably from a dream

The abyss room with lifeblood core is a dream occupied by Something™️ which is also in the lifeblood room in godhome which you unlock to send cocoons out into pantheons

[frigid karma]

Thet have the same sprite just palleteswapped I'd say they're similar

[harsh yarrow]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

They really don’t

[frigid karma]

They do wdym

[opaque sigil]

Go look again

[warped rock]

lore discussion in ss-discussion?!

[harsh yarrow]

Light seeds are probably just infected lifeblood seeds

[warped rock]

no

[opaque sigil]

They’re not

Lightseeds are infected single celled organisms

[frigid karma]

More likely than you think

[sick elm]

Hunter's Journal: Lightseed

Description:
A single-celled organism, completely infected. Scurries about simple-mindedly.

@tammo6424 used /journal name: Lightseed text: Description

Hunter's Journal: Lifeseed

Description:
Small scuttling seed filled with Lifeblood, which can be extracted and consumed for its healthful properties.

@tammo6424 used /journal name: Lifeseed text: Description

[harsh yarrow]

Ah they are different

Slightly

[frigid karma]

Yeah they look basically the same

[opaque sigil]

Look closer

[quiet token]

i wonder what gorbs dreams were like, mf has a giant brain it gotta be something

[serene chasm]

One is running right, and the other is running left

[opaque sigil]

The bodies are very different

[frigid karma]

My nose is to the screen They've got the same body in different angles

[opaque sigil]

They don’t

[warped rock]

thank goodness he has dreamnail dialogue

[frigid karma]

Something to do with ascending

[quiet token]

maybe the abyss expansion would have you killing a lifeblood god instead

[frigid karma]

Yeah i swear that's the same mf twice just in blue and orange

[warped rock]

i like the abyss not having much content

[opaque sigil]

You’ve gotta be joking

[warped rock]

it's already got to be the most memorable area in hk without a doubt, and tacking on a boss or three just doesn't need yo happen

[frigid karma]

Yeah, the voids tend to be empty and espansive so i assume under the surface it's just infinite darkness

[frigid karma]

All i see is antenna, bulb, and tiny feet a little blorbo at the end is barely a difference

[opaque sigil]

It’s a pretty considerable difference

One is a walking orb one has a thorax

[warped rock]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-swallog-prey-bye-gif-11429031

[frigid karma]

Walking orb vs walking orb but thorax

[opaque sigil]

Those are major differences in body shape

[warped rock]

tammo i dont think u can win this one

[opaque sigil]

[frigid karma]

I was built for arguing about stupid things

I am having the time of my life rn

I hit that sweet spot where I'm smart enough to argue and stupid enough to not listen or understand anything the other guy says

[warped rock]

i remember it once took me like 10 minutes to decipher what tammo was saying about spirited away so i could respond to it

[olive bobcat]

I love bullshit arguing here

You don't have to be right you just have to have a good time

[kindred pewter]

me when I realize that just because two shapes are similar doesn't mean they are the same

[kindred pewter]

no you're going to have a bad time

[olive bobcat]

Nuh uh

[opaque sigil]

Is that the undertale reference or whatever idfk

Mid game

[frigid karma]

Snas

[wheat sail]

I know you are but what am i

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/itchy-scratch-head-black-man-gif-17733337

[frigid karma]

Rubber. I'm glue

[kindred pewter]

YOU'RE MID

[shell yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[opaque sigil]

MOST PEOPLE ARE BUCKO MID IS AVERAGE