sk-discussion

[stoic sigil]

You can be the hacker

[fallen blaze]

But can we steal the moon

[stoic sigil]

No

Wtf

[fallen blaze]

I'm out

[glacial wren]

smoking isn't a joke it causes cancer

it also cures meat

[fallen blaze]

Wee d smokers when they weed smoke

[stoic sigil]

So true

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-banban-jumbo-josh-garten-of-banban-transformation-gif-15133436167274650214

[stoic sigil]

Repost from last night

[fallen blaze]

Bro thinks hes reevees

[strange night]

Cheeseburger with GARLIC fries

[stoic sigil]

Garmlick Frimse

[uncut citrus]

[stoic sigil]

I am you

[stoic sigil]

You are replaced

[fallen blaze]

Who's the real reeves

[spare fractal]

me

nah

[fallen blaze]

Say something only reeves would say

[stoic sigil]

Today we will be reviewing our 451st #sk-discussion quote

[fallen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-applause-round-of-standing-gif-20790999

[spare fractal]

bah, that's so basic, time for a real deep cut, ahem...

When you think about it, I should also have icon maker role because the current icon uses my shermasmirk 🤔

[glacial wren]

parakeets are cute animals

flying around and

[fallen blaze]

Parakeets try not to smoke weed challenge

[glacial wren]

parakeets

https://tenor.com/view/parakeets-birds-cute-gif-15570402

[spare fractal]

I've got another one
"Waddahell"

[glacial wren]

burdgerigars

[wheat sail]

waddahell kirbstar is amazing

[fallen blaze]

you have to drop in a bestie somewhere

[spare fractal]

actually now that I think about it waddahell is just y'all's version of my mother favorite swear

"madafaka"

[fallen blaze]

That reminds me of the mexican yoshi video

[wheat sail]

Today we are reviewing our 1093th ss-discussion quote!

[fallen blaze]

That's a good one!

[spare fractal]

we should make a contest on who makes the best reeves impression

[wheat sail]

dont wanna get blocked like you 🤦‍♂️

[fallen blaze]

True

2 blocked messages

[spare fractal]

true, maybe I should make an alt...

[fallen blaze]

Let me know when we are going to slide on the opponents

[vivid belfry]

hornet should have a tool that takes a picture of 3 dead turkeys fused together by a strange plantlike growth

[carmine island]

Damn he probably grills really good meat

[formal marsh]

that sounds very specific

does the image exist

[cunning geode]

excellent

[spare fractal]

Okay, so the plan is to gun down Kirbstar during her birthday

[fallen blaze]

Kirbstar is not an opponent

[stoic sigil]

Hornet should have a NG+ Tool that summons the entity

[spare fractal]

when you are a kirby main in melee, everyone is your opponent

And I am unfortunately a kirby main in melee

[wheat sail]

main marth

[fallen blaze]

Smash 6 should be terribly unbalanced

[wheat sail]

like smash wii u\

[spare fractal]

hi there, opponent

[pulsar sleet]

Smash Bros

[cerulean sable]

frustration is getting bigger

shaw shaw shaw, pull my weaver trigger

[hollow terrace]

ITS SO OVER

[cunning geode]

its all up to Jack now

[shell yacht]

hornet american flag cloak confirmed

[quartz cave]

hey char

hm hop on amog???

[spare fractal]

yooo ismoil!

[uncut citrus]

bestie its 3am

[fallen blaze]

Among us

[spare fractal]

I've been playing an awesome game (you know its epic because it was made by the devs of yoshi's wooly world)

[fallen blaze]

Is it fortnite

[spare fractal]

hint: it has "epic" in the title

[fallen blaze]

Honk mimimimi?

[uncut citrus]

EXACTLY

[spare fractal]

who the hell are you talking to I can't tell

[fallen blaze]

Epic games

[spare fractal]

hint 2: it is similar to yoshi's wooly world

[uncut citrus]

actually i got a Reevs accurate image for that

[fallen blaze]

Yoshi's epic yarn

[spare fractal]

warmer

[spare fractal]

final hint: it features waluigi

[fallen blaze]

WHAT

[spare fractal]

or at least, his long lost made-of-yarn sibling?

[quartz cave]

epic? epic mickey reference?

[wheat sail]

balloon tower offensive

[spare fractal]

YOOO ISMOIL I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE THAT BASED

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-mickey-leakhog-epic-mickey-rebrushed-jumpscare-oct-2-jumpscare-gif-14269629368138275082

im always based

[spare fractal]

ismoil you've inspired me to get btd6 this summer sale

[fallow mauve]

Btd6 is W

[quartz cave]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/btd6-bloons-banana-meme-overeact-gif-27429789

[wheat sail]

btd6 is like 1 cent anyway

[fallen blaze]

It's free if you got Netflix too

[quartz cave]

yeah

[wheat sail]

netflix aint what it used to be

[quartz cave]

but only on mobile and thats kinda mid

so get it on steam anyways its literally 1 buck

less than celeste and celeste is already cheap as hell

[opaque sigil]

[silver oak]

my bad guys

[quartz cave]

yes cheaper than that buy btd6

[cerulean sable]

i think silksong should have enemy category specializations

man i should just stfu and play this game again instead of reminisicing about it

[cunning geode]

protestant and catholic

[cerulean sable]

+5 holy damage

THATS IT

THATS WHAT SILKSONG NEEDS

[opaque sigil]

silksong needs the DA-SR 12

[cerulean sable]

ARPG style damage types and resistances

im more of a kestrel main but ok 😤

[opaque sigil]

DA-SR 12 has the goofy glaive beam tho

[cerulean sable]

i have only played FTL once ngl

and got to the capital ship before i got obliterrated in half a second

then i realized, roguelikes are not for me 😔

[opaque sigil]

unfortunate

didn't even unlock the federation cruiser with its big artillery cannon 😔

[cunning geode]

i tell ya

star of providence

and yer set

[cerulean sable]

you are making me want to try it again

but not now

for now i must play new veags

i am still finalizing my list

or i should, ya know, play Patho 2 first

and probably Underrail

[cunning geode]

i havent even been playing shit rn man im playing music

[cerulean sable]

based based

i respect the grind

[cunning geode]

was listening to Neptunian Maximalism again

[cerulean sable]

live Ehiztaria reaction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ6P2yqhwBY

[cunning geode]

finally looking through other bands on I, Voidhanger records which is one of my favs from an artistic standpoint

[cerulean sable]

expound upon it

i'm curious

[cunning geode]

the covers all look like this

its underground metal of the avant-garde, black, and death varieties that pushes the bounds. it all sounds very unique

and Eons is the album i started this record with... and i mean how do i even explain

[cerulean sable]

i like column 2 row 2's cover

perfect balance of the esoteric feeling without being too much on the gritty side

[cunning geode]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4bdM4bfehSCmadpPNidOBM?si=cb20a424dfe74275

this is eons

[cerulean sable]

this sounds something id hear when the ancient horror spills out of its sarcophagus and i must shoot the conveniently glowing appendages with a newly acquired fully automatic assault rifle i just so happen to find from a corpse lying on top of an ancient mossy towering structure complete with a white/brownish sky

[granite latch]

saw an ant with a fungal infection outside today, not ideal

[cunning geode]

nice timing with those messages

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[lone lichen]

how did it taste

[cerulean sable]

i am once again reminded of the that alternate universe Silent Hill comic

goes incredibly hard

[cunning geode]

super good

[silver oak]

so real

me when presented with the option of playing games when I can instead passively consume

[cunning geode]

unfortunately, youre off the mark unless you imagined the tentacles as elephant trunks

[cerulean sable]

what type of elephants are we talking about, something like the ones from the Microphone's cover

[cunning geode]

yeah that one

[silver oak]

famed metal record the glow pt 2

[cerulean sable]

truee

[silver oak]

in rotation today

[formal marsh]

based signalis

sucks that the game never goes on big sales

[silver oak]

someone recommended me the american football album and it's kinda awesome

super lyrical guitar work

[cerulean sable]

WHOS IN THE DEEPNEST WHOS IN THE DEEPNEST
WEAVERS AND CRAWLERS FIRST AND THE CRAWLERS FIRST AND THE CRAWLE
I SING UNTIL MY MASK FALLS OFF
WEAVERS AND CRAWLERS FIRST AND CRAWLERS FIRST AND CRAWLE

[cerulean sable]

tbf, these games tend to be niche

the more niche you are, the more often you dont need to go on deepsales

[silver oak]

every bell in its right place

[cerulean sable]

a lot of game slike Factorio and Rimworld usually still goes by 20% sale at most due to the fact that

1. they still sell well even off sale
2. theyre niche status also means people are more willing to pay the extra to get into its type of genre

its why your usual shooter game goes like at 50%+ because its competing a lot more in those areas

[formal marsh]

[cerulean sable]

meanwhile theres a whole lot of
"i want a high quality simulation game/retro horror tps/rts colony builder game that does this and that what suggestions can you give?"
"uhhh, factorio/signalis/rimworld"
"yeah i already played those anything else"

[cunning geode]

darkwood..?

[cerulean sable]

only diff is when theyre super old, unless youre the COD games 🥴

Darkwood is goated

too bad the studio moved on

[cunning geode]

the devs did the ultimate however

[cerulean sable]

but i need more survival games like it

closest i played is Stalker

[cunning geode]

put their game on pirating sites right after releasing it

[cerulean sable]

reminds me of Hotline Miami 2

devs who were Aussies iirc? had it blocked on the same country due to violence

Dev's response to someone asking how they can play it there was: "pirate it, heres the fucking link too"

[cunning geode]

awesome

king gizzard has their own bootlegging site

[cerulean sable]

honestly, Gabe had it right
a lot of the reasons pirating happens is because of the lack of access

you give people easy access, they will buy it out of convenience

i used to pirate like shit back in the days because 1. i had no money 2. online transactions hasnt gotten wind yet meaning youd be hardpressed to ask your parents to buy you something online (which they wont cuz, theyd rather buy it on actual things you need)

[cunning geode]

like vpns to pirate better

[fiery burrow]

I pirated an old Nintendo game and felt super guilty afterwards I'm too weak

[cerulean sable]

the only time i finally broke out of it is cuz my sister would buy me Steam Cards and wouldnt hesitate buying me stuff that went on sale when she got a job (its kinda a reverse too because fast forward today, whenever my sister asks for something i dont hesitate buying it to her, nor do i pull the "you owe me line" either)

[cunning geode]

thats nice

[cerulean sable]

yeah ofc Nintendo the small indie company that will send the spec ops on your ass for vaguely referencing their IP without permission\

[cerulean sable]

what lmfao

[cunning geode]

https://kinggizzardandthelizardwizard.com/bootlegger

[lament lotus]

yoo

[cerulean sable]

Radiohead had a case where they In Rainbows was released on a "pay what you want, or none at all" basis and they still ended up getting more money from it

despite the amount data showing a lot took it for free without payment, a small subset of them paid a fuckton extra for it and the average was still around 3-10$

i think its also engagement, like yeah a lot of people took it free, but having it online meant there was a lot more people willing to try it and drop a dollar just out of courtesy

[glacial wren]

piracy is good thing

[cerulean sable]

they did get criticism out of it but some of the criticisms were a mix of "this is just some genius level marketing from a bunch of hogwashes like you guys" or "by doing this you did more damage to the industry because other musicians who upload their music for free will get drowned by you people instead!"

[glacial wren]

to say otherwise is classist and ableist

[marsh ibex]

radio head

[fiery burrow]

Piracy preserves stuff because if you bury a treasure chest the stuff in that chest probably isn't going to be found by anyone

[cerulean sable]

so some of it were mostly people who already disliked the band and just wanted to poke at them in some way, while others had this false notion that free music had a "negative side effect of burying smaller bands"

i kinda get the logic but i dont think its that big of an issue???

[cerulean sable]

relevant Ultrakill twitter post

[glacial wren]

true, i always thought taylor swift made the average woman look like Not taylor swift

[cunning geode]

relevant doom first episode free shareware

[lament lotus]

huh how does they drown out smaller bands

[cerulean sable]

i guess its like

"oh why get this game instead when you can get this other one for free which is better cuz x and y reasons"

[marsh ibex]

louder music

[lament lotus]

[glacial wren]

this is why my nephew is a violent alcoholic

[lament lotus]

ehhhhh

[cerulean sable]

if you think about it "why get another metroidvania when Hollow Knight is 15$ and has more content" blah blah
kinda in a way it makes the lower entries a lot more competitive cuz they need to compete with free stuff

again i dont think thats much of an issue

but thats the angle those guys were going for

[cerulean sable]

Below you’ll find links to audio master files and cover art. Feel free to get creative with it if you like - it’s yours.

holy based

[glacial wren]

everything is free because i'm big you're small i'm right you're wrong

[cunning geode]

gizzard is a modern marvel of a band

[heady iron]

I think silksong should be free to stamp out all indie competition

[glacial wren]

apologuys to the fans

[cunning geode]

i hope they get recognized as a staple of the late 2010s and 2020s by future generations

[lament lotus]

most people didnt know what a metroidvania was before hollow knight, if they like it theyll buy another metroidvania

[cerulean sable]

Silksong gets announced
Hollow Knight can no longer be purchased seperately
You now need to buy both games in the same bundle together
Its still 15$

[cerulean sable]

yeah for me if anything it shows how much viral you can get with free music

but again i think most of those people were just finding an excuse to dislike the band

[lament lotus]

yeah exactly

[cunning geode]

im tellin ya were gonna beat silksong and get an ending cutscene that zooms out to show a wide map scale view of the world and you see dozens of lit up settlements and cities like pharloom scattered across the land

[lament lotus]

that would be awesome

[marsh ibex]

Eh

[fiery burrow]

Then the camera hits the ceiling of the cave system

[cerulean sable]

its defo a mix

tbf, granted, this was in 2007

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/397062813949886466/1119366763994423348/IMG_3212.gif

[cerulean sable]

way back before free music streaming became the mainstream

so there was still early fears and skepticisms when it came to free music so to say

[cunning geode]

of course Reznor thought it wasnt enough, thats trent alright

[cerulean sable]

like im not gonna deny its defo a part of their marketing too and again they sold a lot on this, but the idea that "it ruined smaller music creator" sounds dumb in hindsight

i heard Trent is aight though

[lament lotus]

ohhh i see what theyre getting at now

[cunning geode]

yeah nah i said that as a good thing

[cerulean sable]

and tbf i dont defend RH for a lot of the criticisms they get either despite loving the band 🥴

except maybe Ed O Brian

probably the coolest guy in the band

[void moat]

and then boom, lace game that releases after gta9

[cerulean sable]

the others 2 leads (Johnny the Guitarist and Thom the main singer) gets into controversies here and there but Ed is mostly wholesome and very cool with fans, and Colin is just doing his own thing in the background (oh and uhh Phil is usually hidden)

[cunning geode]

my cat is making the rounds trying to open various things in my room

[cerulean sable]

shoutout to Colin though, went into a concert on an Indie singer, turns out the Indie singer is a big RH fan and shyly asked him "if he could ya know, play and practice with me hahaha im just kidding ofc big fan of you and the band btw"

Fastforward Colin has toured with him live multiple times and even helped produced in some of his albums

its like the opposite of never meet your heroes

[cunning geode]

ah thats nice

thats like Ethan Nestor getting up on stage to do a backflip in front of Markiplier and then they did Unus Annus

[cerulean sable]

is this real

ohh its another youtubber

[cunning geode]

https://youtu.be/UGQHz_ndJNk

he did it multiple times

[cerulean sable]

in the case of Colin its more akin to a small indie dev asking for an industry legend like say, maybe Carmack for some tips? and 2 years later Carmack is developing a project with them together

[cunning geode]

yeah but carmack is not a good guy sadly

[cerulean sable]

but maybe not Carmack, dunno of a wholesome big named guy on the industry

yeah yeah lmao

[cunning geode]

uhhh

wilbo

[cerulean sable]

i assume much considering those types of devs tend to be very uhhh, you know? eccentric?

[cunning geode]

👹

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

but im talking more like something higher than TC

[cerulean sable]

lmfao

[cunning geode]

how about daisuke

or kojima

[cerulean sable]

YES

though Kojima is a bit more on the eccentric side too

but i guess its a pretty decent example

for the movie side, maybe some amateur movie directors pulling a big name in the industry simply because the artist found them interesting or wants to break it up a little

i think this is a lot more common on the film industry though

some artists kinda tries to experiment on smaller films from time to time

[cunning geode]

hmmm... looks like im not the only one who enjoys i, voidhanger records

[cunning geode]

it is can confirm from a friend of mine

[cerulean sable]

ngl considering the past Ultrakill chapters referencing both Deathconsciousness and Lift Your Skinny Fist Like Antennas to Heaven, these type of indie music projects seems to be his type of jam

[fiery burrow]

Hakita loads song titles and level names with references its awesome

[cunning geode]

yeah lookin through his wishlist/collection on bandcamp and im getting a lot of overlap with myself

[cerulean sable]

yeah, some people do find their craft on smaller budget stuff
instead of ya know, waiting for a paycheck to arrive about them being in a movie in the tropics where the contracts says they can never lose a fight because it will be a blow to their ego

[cunning geode]

i'll have to check back here for more music to listen to

[silver oak]

this video is so wild

romance plot shit

[wooden echo]

I just came up with the funniest quote about hollow knight I've made up before
"If I had to choose between being a feral critter and paying taxes to a dinner fork, I'd rather live in the wastes."

[finite flax]

ohh oh ooooooh oh oh oh oooooh

[cerulean sable]

oh yeah forgot they even went on BBC's Tiny Desk together

[finite flax]

they have eternal worms in ultrakill??

[silver oak]

real

[cerulean sable]

no but they referenced Earthmover at least

[warped rock]

is there context to this

[cunning geode]

yes! he was pointing a gun at Ethan

[finite flax]

is that markiplier

[cunning geode]

no thats Wade

[lament lotus]

LMAO

wade is clueless

is this before he knew Ethan

[cunning geode]

yes

[lament lotus]

lmaoo

[finite flax]

i founda s in h a

[fallen blaze]

Has

[austere whale]

Is there any news

Or should I just give up

[cunning geode]

give up what

[wheat sail]

on life

[cunning geode]

oh no

[silver oak]

no don't

[unborn hamlet]

so any hopium this month lol

[rustic ore]

no, we're all high on mopium

smokin' nopium

[urban marlin]

Silksong is never releasing

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ovtrctear-tearyuna-jinmink00ker-scooby-doo-scooby-doo-fred-gif-6249261352592476965

[wheat sail]

on life

[urban marlin]

ツ

[rustic ore]

how about instead of hufing hopium and copium, yall try some soapium and elopium

https://tenor.com/view/clanka-clanker-droid-gta-gif-25082380

[fallen blaze]

Oh brother

[coarse leaf]

Hey
Is there any real information about Silksong being a sequel or a prequel?

[rancid crystal]

nothing concrete just theories

[wheat sail]

I know for sure though

[quiet knot]

Stay safe!

[coarse leaf]

Probably is a prequel, otherwise the "every ending in Hollow Knight is canon" wouldnt make sense

[fallen blaze]

Thanks I'll try

[cunning geode]

o h no

[warped rock]

it would

it kinda has to be a sequel too

hornet doesnt use the new attacks in silksong

silksong can totally just pick an ending to continue from, and the others can get something in the future

it also could start from all of the endings, maybe not sealed siblings tho

[quiet knot]

Oh god an Anime Girl dream pfp

[warped rock]

BOO! Did I scare you

[cunning geode]

did you mean she doesnt use the new attacks in HK?

or am i mistaken

[warped rock]

yes

[fallen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-job-application-mlandersen0-did-i-scare-you-boo-gif-25870644

[quiet knot]

+10 Reddit points

[cunning geode]

i believe they call that "coma"

[fallen blaze]

Jarma

[cunning geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397062813949886466/1236468077357568000/IMG_3762.gif

[quiet knot]

Ive never seen that gif before

What is he even doing

[digital junco]

jerming

[cunning geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397062813949886466/1236468076938268753/IMG_3761.gif

[quiet knot]

Hes drinking gasoline

[coarse leaf]

This could be just game mechanics tho
Team Cherry wouldnt limit Hornet's moveset just because she doesnt use it in HK

[cunning geode]

hence sequel

[coarse leaf]

Anyway

Silksong in 2028

[cunning geode]

byup

[opaque sigil]

not only that but before silksong they wipe her power set

[drifting badger]

My crack theory is that “all endings are canon” makes sense because there’s three different hornets in pharloom due to dark souls esque timeline shenanigans

[opaque sigil]

almost like they were patching a plot hole that would exist in a sequel

[cunning geode]

she came back home and PK was like "haha no" and nerfed her

[opaque sigil]

because it is a sequel

[cunning geode]

totally not sexist of him

[fallen blaze]

3 hornets in one silksong

[drifting badger]

You play as godmaster ending hornet and you have to fight dream no more hornet in the lategame

sealed vessel hornet is dead because dnm hornet killed her already

[cunning geode]

so its like DS3 the final boss of silksong is gonna be late-game ghost from HK

[fallen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-clowns-mss-marvel-studios-spoilers-ihavenoname-gif-24602249

[cunning geode]

spoilers for silksong and ds3 👹

[drifting badger]

Imagine hearing people talking about shit you did but didn’t really do and then finding your own corpse while exploring the map

[rustic ore]

I wouldn't like that as a FINAL boss, but as a secret boss, "The Ghost of Hallownest" would go hard as fuck, I've said this before actually

[drifting badger]

Wacky plot twist!!!

Ghost of Hallownest would make sense as a dream boss fight I think

[fallen blaze]

Imagine megaman zero 3 but silksong

Final boss is the real jornet

[rare oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-myla-cope-gif-24584047

[fallen blaze]

Erm

[cunning geode]

so the flying nosk lives in pharloom after all...

[drifting badger]

You also have to admit

[fallen blaze]

Silksong but you play as winged nosk!!!!

[rare oracle]

lmao

[drifting badger]

Hornet arguing with her clone would be really funny

[rare oracle]

imagine

[fallen blaze]

and final boss is hornet

[rare oracle]

rel

[fallen blaze]

Literally zero 3

[rare oracle]

would you guys rather, for silksong to be cancelled and zoteboat releases right now

or silksong releases in 2043

[fallen blaze]

no

[rare oracle]

i would be 44 by then

insane

[drifting badger]

I was in 8th grade when silksong got announced

[fallen blaze]

Bro was born in 1999????

[rare oracle]

no

[drifting badger]

That is so crazy to me

[rare oracle]

45

[drifting badger]

I was a little peeblet

[rare oracle]

so you graduated??

i think

[fallen blaze]

I was in5th

[rare oracle]

i was introduced to hk in 7th grade

im now 9th grade

so i am certified waiting for skong for 4 years

[cunning geode]

when i was your age i was 20

[fallen blaze]

Hm

[rare oracle]

so your 24 now

i think

idk

[cunning geode]

no 👹

[fallen blaze]

When you were in 9th you were 20

[drifting badger]

I’m going into my second year of college

And it still ain’t out

I’m patient tho it doesn’t really bother me

[rare oracle]

woah thats cool

im not

[fallen blaze]

Me neither

[rare oracle]

its hard to imagine that one day there will be no more daily silksong news

its kinda insane

[fallen blaze]

Dsn is cringe anyway

[silk zodiac]

not that hard to imagine tbh

[cunning geode]

its hard to imagine silksong every day

[rare oracle]

no you are cring deleted_user_aaaab8f50bf

[cunning geode]

ive got like. other things going on

[fallen blaze]

Dsn is wack

[rare oracle]

one day

do you guys think silksong will be top 1 most wishlisted on steam

or nah

[fallen blaze]

Nah

[rare oracle]

its 2nd atm

[cunning geode]

could be

[fallen blaze]

Idk I dont use steam

[coarse leaf]

I fucking love this community

[cunning geode]

its been consistently top 5 for a while

[silk zodiac]

world of goo 2 will be one hour before it’s released trust trust

[coarse leaf]

Maybe with a release date

[rare oracle]

crazy that top 5 all have release dates

[cunning geode]

wilds lets goooooo

[rare oracle]

top 6*

[cunning geode]

really excited for the next monster hunter

[weary tapir]

Wait is this real

[coarse leaf]

I'm surprised that Black Myth is the top 1

[rare oracle]

what is a monster hunter

[weary tapir]

I didn’t know the school logos were based off class logos

[rare oracle]

and what is a black myth

[cunning geode]

its me! im a monster hunter

[rare oracle]

looks like smth that could be in goty

[silk zodiac]

from what i heard it’s synonymous with the word peak

[coarse leaf]

A wierd guy in greenpath

[fallen blaze]

Bruh wasnt black myth announced after silksong

[silk zodiac]

yeah

[rare oracle]

isnt bottom middle motorola logo

[rare oracle]

true

[fallen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/ernie-sesame-street-smh-shaking-my-head-dismay-gif-18210872

[rare oracle]

from the title i think its a very grindy game where you find monsters

i think

[cunning geode]

grindy is debatable

[silk zodiac]

big monster

kill monster

have fun

[cunning geode]

accurate

[rare oracle]

hmm

[coarse leaf]

is silksong a real game?

[silk zodiac]

yeah

[rare oracle]

half of my friends who played hk say it isnt

i keep believing that it is

[coarse leaf]

i think it is a collective hallucination 🙏

[cunning geode]

weve been hearing these jokes for 4 years now... please

[silk zodiac]

hahaha

[rare oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-diavolo-vento-aureo-meme-funny-gif-20952673

[silk zodiac]

ha

[coarse leaf]

not like there are a lot more of things to do tbf

[fallen blaze]

Sigma

[rare oracle]

jumpy

[coarse leaf]

How can Silksong take longer to create than HK

[rare oracle]

may i ask

why august 2nd hype

[coarse leaf]

i mean, 112, pale court mod, 112 steel soul, im desperate

[silk zodiac]

not saying the same joke is something

[rare oracle]

prolly because double benches, and triple the map size

[silk zodiac]

world of peak 2 drops

[cunning geode]

hey i mean youve been askin for more games in other channels thats a good avenue

[coarse leaf]

cause they want to do something bigger i guess

[fallen blaze]

In game dev tycoon it only takes like 3 weeks to make a game

What gives team cherry

[cerulean sable]

fuck silksong i need to waste my money on wtv this shit is

also i am still on the camp

Silksong is 1.5x larger than HK but the content squashed is still gonna be similar

[rare oracle]

but doesnt conpensate because hk was prolly harder to make because it was from scratch, in silksong they prolly already have a vision since they started

[cunning geode]

dude 78 dollar dart blaster

[cerulean sable]

the entire "has to be 100 hours" is cope

[rare oracle]

oo

[coarse leaf]

i mean, i wouldn't mind waiting 4 more years if they release the best game ever

[fallen blaze]

Among us

[coarse leaf]

indeed

[cerulean sable]

it electrically ejects fucking catridge on the side ok

[cunning geode]

omg the REALISM

[rustic ore]

its ok taco. that shit is gas

[cunning geode]

the dart realism

[cerulean sable]

SEE

[cunning geode]

👹

[coarse leaf]

Still weird

[rare oracle]

honestly if they gave us a demo right now and the release date was revealed to be in 2027 i wouldnt mind

[cerulean sable]

someone understands me

[fallen blaze]

I prefer real guns :cowboy

[coarse leaf]

true

[quartz cave]

me when i get arrested by having a rifle out on the street (its just a hyper realistic nerf gun trust me)

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783921751004151858/1040445338026262568/IMG_2921.gif

[cerulean sable]

i just need a poloshirt and a pair of glasses

[grand ferry]

hl2 smg is amazing wtf

[rustic ore]

as if im gonna have nerf battles outside my house with that
that's a go-out-in-the-woods-with-the-boys gun

[cerulean sable]

yes and the rightclick is based

[grand ferry]

also is the helicopter destroyable

[coarse leaf]

i would love to have the 4 extra abyss bosses from the kickstarter ngl

[quartz cave]

"oops,,,, sorry dave this WASNT the nerf gun"

[fallen blaze]

Shade 1 shade 2 shade 3 shade 4

But big

[quartz cave]

nonetheless ig it does look a bit cool

[cerulean sable]

HL1's weapon balancing is so borked
8 loaded, 64 in reserve

then the MP5 has TEN fucking grenades

[coarse leaf]

collector 2 collector 3 collector 4 collector 5

[cerulean sable]

just keep playing

for now dont bother\

[fallen blaze]

TRue

[grand ferry]

also the headcrab zombies are very buffed right

took like 6-7 pistol shots

[cerulean sable]

relative to HL1?

[cunning geode]

oh fuck it took me a bit to realize you werent saying the dart blaster looked like the hl2 smg...

[cerulean sable]

are you playing on Hard

[grand ferry]

no maybe i just missed all my shots

[opaque sigil]

they are destroyable but unless you've just been given tools to destroy them I wouldn't bother

[cunning geode]

the hl2 headcrabs are super nerfed they take one crowbar to kill always

[cerulean sable]

Players and NPCs take damage in the same way, including headshots. Headshots multiply the normal damage by 3. Headshots can be performed only with guns on humanoid NPCs or the player.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[grand ferry]

oh right i have a crowbar

[cerulean sable]

||he doesnt need to know that yet||

[cunning geode]

oh fuck

[grand ferry]

i use crowbar on the ceiling trap thing

[cunning geode]

omg... like crits tf2 crits

[grand ferry]

barnacle

giving me constant paranoia

[rare oracle]

it took me 210 hours to fully beat hollow knight (just 112 percent normal, no radiant bosses only until p4, and steel soul 100%)

so im guessing silksong will be around 190 hours to 100% normal mode (no dlc) if dlc ever happens (im sure it will) prolly another 10 hours or smth idk, and with silk soul prolly 260 hours

thats for me

[opaque sigil]

using grenades on barnacles is wasteful but damn is it funny

[rare oracle]

plus i think it'll take longer because i beat hk using youtube tutorials because my 12 year old ass couldnt figure out anything and cheated

[grand ferry]

barnacle eating fire barrels is just 🧑‍🍳

[coarse leaf]

210 hours is wild tho

[rare oracle]

by using youtube tutorials

[cerulean sable]

yeah zombies have 50 health

pistol does 5 damage per shot, if you do headshots then that gets multiplied by 3 with a product of 15, so it should take 3 headshots and 1 bodyshot to kill a zombie with a pistol

[cunning geode]

dario casali shouldve convinced the rest of the half-life 2 team to put arch-viles in

[grand ferry]

in my defense the headcrab zombie was crawling toward me in a cramped vent

[rare oracle]

i first watched how to get dash, then claw, then nail upgrades, and literally all main abilities until i actually explored myself

i regretted it so bad

[cunning geode]

so much of the fun is getting lost and figuring out how to progress yourself

[rare oracle]

true

[rare oracle]

tell that to me 4 years ago

[coarse leaf]

in my first run i just walked around like 5 hours before finding the false knight

[cerulean sable]

all you need to know is

get close at 10 meters and spam M1 near their head until they stop moving

[rare oracle]

first time i played i got to dirtmouth, and then watched a bunch of hk videos on what to do

[cunning geode]

damn.,.. so early

[rare oracle]

and did that once i got a new ability

[coarse leaf]

lol

[rare oracle]

i wish i never did

[cunning geode]

thats kinda shame but i get it

[coarse leaf]

Not even Elden Ring is that long 💀

i used tutorials in late game, to get all the masks and vessels

but it took me like 50 hours to get the 112%

[opaque sigil]

what a unique and situational enemy specific strategy

[rare oracle]

i was such in a rush, i never even fought mantis lords until i found out what i needed for p2

[rare oracle]

so i beat mantis lords with literally pure nail and max spells

[coarse leaf]

thats sad ngl

[rare oracle]

missed one of the best parts of the game

[cunning geode]

actually it shows just how nonlinear the game is

[coarse leaf]

real

[cunning geode]

unless you... cheated 👹

[versed pollen]

Did you keep the game open while watching videos or something how do you watch videos on what to do and still take that long

[rare oracle]

after replaying on xbox (i havent played the game in prolly 9 months) it was so fun

[rare oracle]

in short, it was a major skill issue

[versed pollen]

That's actually crazy

Should have just facetanked everything

[rare oracle]

yeah

[rare oracle]

i was a heavy lifeblood and unbreakable heart user

my builds for pantheon were lifeblood core, unbreakable heart, and the rest was shaman and quickslash and whatsoever

[coarse leaf]

anyways, i want to do a speedrun now, cause i never did one, but first i have to get the 112% again, but I think the last time I played was 2 years ago.

[cunning geode]

you ever get speedrun achievements?

[versed pollen]

Should have just used Stalwart shell and stood inside a boss while they die

[coarse leaf]

Speedrun speedrun or speedrun achievement

[coarse leaf]

nope

[rare oracle]

now i go with shaman, quickslash, mop, dream wielder, and nmg

[coarse leaf]

and i never played steel soul

[rare oracle]

lol

[cunning geode]

godspeed

[rare oracle]

i only ever got the 10 hour speedrun and the 100% under 20 hours

every run i did after my first was always under 20 hours 100%

i got 100% in 9 hours

which was good ig

i want to speedrun

but i cant do watcher knights

brutal

im probably gonna go for all achievments soon enough

[fallen blaze]

Wkroll

[rare oracle]

gonna go sleep

its seven zero 8 am

[coarse leaf]

Best combo is Quick Slash, Unbreakable Strength, Mark of Pride and Grubsong

[rare oracle]

7:08 in short

[fallen blaze]

Mop

[rare oracle]

i agree, but i would personally replace mop and grubsong for shaman and nmg

i got used to short nail

and for radiant bosses i would switch out grubsong for shaman stone

and keep same build

[coarse leaf]

dang

hey, i have a question, if you die, and you dont have fragile strength equiped, does it break anyways?

No

[unborn dome]

wrong
strength, quickslash, spell twister, fury, shaman stone

[silk zodiac]

ew fury

[coarse leaf]

Spell Twister is meh

[unborn dome]

swap it out with steady body and compass then

[silk zodiac]

nmg

[coarse leaf]

Compass? The combo that I said was more for boss fights

[inland ravine]

hello everyone

[silk zodiac]

gn gwnj

[inland ravine]

jumpy

[coarse leaf]

I hope they remove contact damage in Silksong

[exotic geyser]

omg hello gwnj

[fallen blaze]

They wont

[coarse leaf]

Hollow Knight would be goat if it wasnt for this

[opaque sigil]

[fallen blaze]

Damn every game has contact damage

Metroidvania

[opaque sigil]

hk needs contact damage to make like any enemies relevant

and to make boss positioning not trivial

[fallen blaze]

Some of them walking enemies

[opaque sigil]

hk would suck without contact damage fights would make no sense at all

[coarse leaf]

In some cases is fine

[inland ravine]

sarah

[fallen blaze]

Dont get hit shrimply

[coarse leaf]

But in others it doesnt make sense

[opaque sigil]

every case where there's contact damage there absolutely should be

[exotic geyser]

how do you propose it would work? do enemies have regular collision or none at all?

[opaque sigil]

glimbacks suck but that's not because of contact damage it's because glimbacks are a bad enemy

and you can't sometimes have contact damage and sometimes not that's terrible design

imagine needing to memorize whether every enemy did or didn't have contact damage that would get old fast

[lament lotus]

imagine absrad with contact dmg

[grand ferry]

best boss

[fallen blaze]

Imagine if mmc had contact damage

[opaque sigil]

hk is absolutely dependent on contact damage for its combat to function they couldn't just remove it

and ss looks much the same

although in ss it might be worse if they remove contact damage

[warped rock]

glimbacks should not do contact damage

[opaque sigil]

glimbacks should not exist

period

[exotic geyser]

they're okay

[opaque sigil]

but it would make very little sense for them to exist and not do contact damage

[opaque sigil]

they do nothing but make you sit and wait

they provide negative engagement

[exotic geyser]

you can hit them from the front or use spells or shadow dash if you have that upgrade

[opaque sigil]

so you:
wait (boring)
waste resources (bad)

and nobody has shade dash when they're in CP

[exotic geyser]

it's an enemy, it's supposed to be an obstacle

[opaque sigil]

but they aren't an obstacle

they don't do anything

they don't pose a threat

there is no danger to them

they just make you stop

[exotic geyser]

they make you wait or waste resources, is that not doing anything?

[opaque sigil]

both of those things are bad to make a player do

[exotic geyser]

just saying, a lot of enemies in hollow knight are doing the same

[opaque sigil]

no other enemies do not work like that

[exotic geyser]

dirtcarver, tiktik?

[opaque sigil]

you can just kill or go around those

you don't have to wait for them to turn around

they don't have invulnerability from the back

[exotic geyser]

you can also kill glimbacks

[warped rock]

mantises after beating mantis lord

[opaque sigil]

do you legitimately not understand the difference

glimbacks make you sit there for several seconds before htey let you kill them

that is
bad

[exotic geyser]

let's not accuse each other

[opaque sigil]

boring

tiktiks you can walk up and stab

[warped rock]

boofly 🥱

[opaque sigil]

booflies are set dressing

they don't get in your way

[exotic geyser]

it's okay if you find them boring, that's kind of their point -- to make you frustrated and potentially seek another path

[opaque sigil]

but there are not other paths

that's also a terrible nonfunctional way to do that and makes no sense

because going to find another path will take even longer (and again they don't exist)

[cunning geode]

its ok tammo just doesnt like killing harmless wildlife

[exotic geyser]

oh hello Tammo i didn't realize that's you

[opaque sigil]

hello

[cunning geode]

me neither

[coarse leaf]

Nightmare Grimm standing still in the air while creating pillars of fire and having contact damage

[opaque sigil]

why would he not have contact damage

[cunning geode]

so you can hug him

make the world better

[opaque sigil]

having him lose contact damage mid fight would just be confusing

that would be a pretty bizarre decision

[frosty light]

hoarding resources 🤢 (but yeah i cant tell if its worse that you can just upslash and invalidate their gimmick or if you were just helpless and had to wait every time even on replays)

[coarse leaf]

Why I would get double damage by touching something that is not even moving

[cunning geode]

burning

[opaque sigil]

because that's the rule of that fight

it is immutable

if you assume you can touch him now and do it it's kind of on you

the only exception is the staggers where he's visibly discorporated

[cunning geode]

my god this song... it all makes sense now

sorry, hollow knight balance? thats cool

[frosty light]

in hk its easier to just spam spells whenever you can since you only need one cast at a time to heal, idk how much i might rely on skills in silksong even with crests and possibly tools affecting healing

[opaque sigil]

once you get additional notches that difference won't be as much of a concern

[coarse leaf]

Hk in general is extremly easly after awhile

Most of the Pantheons I defeated in the second try

[frosty light]

in hk i basically didnt use spells, but the difference between one shotting an enemy or not is crazy. i was flabbergasted when i suddenly decided to actually use the games main fighting mechanics still havent great slash spammed on normal enemies, actually...

[opaque sigil]

spells are goofy since you can also get shade soul and ddark super early

and shaman stone

[olive bobcat]

https://open.spotify.com/track/59gcuFEGvp32erxYFekyG4?si=73a0671dad684dab

[olive bobcat]

Maybe TC should be better at making games

[frosty light]

welp, silksong seems to have some sort of nail art analogue, right? unless maybe its a really fucked up crest or smth. good place to start, i think

[opaque sigil]

seems like it does

[frosty light]

yes by not patching chained ddaks out of the game this time

[cunning geode]

needolin art, playing it as an instrument

[opaque sigil]

ss narts might be even clumsier to controll since you're going to be holding dash too a lot but whatever

[frosty light]

you know, theres a particular way they couldve done something like that...

[opaque sigil]

they could've removed him from the stage altogether

which would defeat the point of the damage window

[hard jewel]

when is silk song releasing?

[coarse leaf]

Silksong is taking this long to release cuz TC is already making the dlcs to not worry about it after the base game release

[inland ravine]

we're in a coma

[coarse leaf]

After crowsworn I fear

[hard jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-one-winged-angel-angel-smash-super-smash-bros-ultimate-gif-24594845

[coarse leaf]

Lore accurate Radiance or something idk

[frosty light]

rad doesnt have contact damage, and most dream warriors dont benefit that much from contact damage (...most), so its not hard to imagine a world where all dream warriors are designed around the idea that they dont deal contact damage, due to being ghosts, as a gimmick preluding to the ultimate dream non contact boss.
...and IF they did all that, it couldve been cool if you killed a boss, and there was a soul master moment, and now youre fighting their ghost, because they havent given up yet, and its a way tougher version of the fight balanced around no longer having contact damage

[lament lotus]

gacha game character pull animations:

[frosty light]

...'s kinda been too late for that for like possibly 10 years at this point, but yknow

[frosty light]

does he actually just destroy the solar system as an attack in a game

[fallen blaze]

Imagine if megaman had no contact damage

[opaque sigil]

that seems kinda bullshit just from a 'making people do two fights in a row' perspective with that kind of change (thk and rad are fine because thk is deliberately made to be a weak boss)

[coarse leaf]

Megaman but peak

[opaque sigil]

and having the fight repeat (or a similar fight repeat) while changing that would make your muscle memory for one nonapplicable on the other which is just not a great situation

[frosty light]

sprint slash tho? 😳 (probably not)

[opaque sigil]

I mean there is a sprint attack idk if it'll have a special charge art

[frosty light]

no more 13 hits in one attack 🥺

[frosty light]

yeah id guess probably not but. possible

[frosty light]

dream nail if it was based...

[muted echo]

I’m not really in the loop when it comes to silksong, what should I read/watch to get up to date?

[opaque sigil]

look in pins

[cunning geode]

yeah specifically the most recent pin

[lament lotus]

silksong has no release date and watch the trailers if you want

and theres not been news for a really long time

[coarse leaf]

Ngl I need to play more metroidvanias

[cerulean sable]

technically 4 months ago they said theyre still making it

[opaque sigil]

that's not really news

we already knew that

[lament lotus]

ohh right

[frosty light]

idk, i can somewhat see that, but they already have a few phase changes that are pretty distinct, and absrads two big halves are only manageable because they leave a big heal window in between (like soul master), so id say itd depent both on how overall difficult it is just attack wise compared to the stage of the game youre in, and how much health the combined phases have compared to other bosses

[lament lotus]

valentine's day

[coarse leaf]

Idk why team cherry cant post about the game development

[cerulean sable]

at this point people are saying "theyre coping theyre obvs making excuses"

but at the same time gamers are known to be overspeculative fearmongers about everything and often times are wrong when it comes to the industry so id probably trust the devs more than they do :^)

[frosty light]

...but yknow it WOULD be way funnier if each phase was as long as the bigger fights

[olive bobcat]

They can they just don't

[opaque sigil]

there's a big difference between a phase change and fundamentally changing the rules of the fight, especially without a way to make that unambiguously clear

[lament lotus]

graig says theres a important reason why

[frosty light]

what the fuck

[lament lotus]

gonna take his word for it

[fallen blaze]

They die if they communicate

[opaque sigil]

"they don't want to" would be plenty reason

[coarse leaf]

They could just drop some enemy design or a area aesthetic sometime

[opaque sigil]

why

[coarse leaf]

Its not as if its gonna kill the experience of anyone

[lament lotus]

yeah they did that and no one cared

[opaque sigil]

that they would be capable of doing something doesn't mean they should

[coarse leaf]

Idk better than no news

[frosty light]

the reason i brought up having to make dream warriors all different from the getgo is because thatd allow this one specific moment later to be communicated visually since then you could just go "oh wow theyre a ghost now! :o"
would help if they were a bit transparent though

[opaque sigil]

idk if people are going to make that connection in the moment it just sounds messy

[opaque sigil]

how so

what about that is 'better'

pointless minor spoilers

[frosty light]

whos supposedly coping in this situation

[frosty light]

thats true, just normal soul masters fucked up people a lot (definitely not me)

[opaque sigil]

plus an enemy here an enemy there, that adds up

[frosty light]

theyre waiting to release their book purely silksong development to coincide with the release date reveal...!

[opaque sigil]

better to just not start

[cerulean sable]

basically people saying TC is lying

[frosty light]

which will then unleash full game spoilers across all of the land (youtube) because they decided to reveal everything about the final bosses 😌

[cerulean sable]

again

favorite mention

[opaque sigil]

ah yes the classic 'nuh uh'

[coarse leaf]

Did Team Cherry increased in members btw?

[opaque sigil]

no

[cunning geode]

yes wilbo has a baby cherry

[frosty light]

so did they say something new in the last like week or two, cause thats the time i havent been here

[opaque sigil]

people said leth was lying for the feb thing

[cerulean sable]

Mount and Blade Bannerlord
4 Years of no release date
They finally give out a weekly blogpost
People cheer
Blogposts goes from "Heres the indepth explanation of our new movement system" to "We added new blood textures" in a span of 8 months
People went "Horay blogposts" to "omg who gives a shit, are you going to give us a release date soon or not?"

[fierce beacon]

i just killed a weird ass looking bug and now i dont know if i can go to bed

[cunning geode]

see people will only be satisfied with weekly blog posts about a new release date each time

[frosty light]

aha, he has spent these last few years training them in the art of cherry...

[frosty light]

its the only way they can match the glory of pre 2021 modded bosses 🙏

[cerulean sable]

every blogpost was the same, theres always the same people asking "i hope they give out a release window soon"

im not saying TC's done as well job either personally but like, majority of the "They just need to update us" wont be satisfied with an update anymore unless it has a release date

thats just the truth of it at this point

[frosty light]

is that real

[fleet temple]

Even if TC did do a regular blog post, people would just be dissecting it for any hint of a release date

[cunning geode]

no he made up that game

[opaque sigil]

tc did edge and within the week people stopped caring

[cerulean sable]

So just finish and make a good game, mop up the grieviences later, and sooner or later people will forget about all of what happened provided the end product is good

[fleet temple]

What people want TC can't give right now

[cerulean sable]

Yeah because I was literally part of it 🥴

I was with the fandom prior to the reveal and even bought full price on release

[frosty light]

then that means im less likely to be sued if i copy it

[coarse leaf]

Ngl I think TC saw the final result and said "we can do better" or something

And increased the map size by 8 times

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/roxy-roxanne-wolf-roxanne-roxy-fnaf-fnaf-gif-24420699

[cerulean sable]

HK's initial release state wasnt even enough for them in their own words lmao

[opaque sigil]

the grievances aren't going to be an issue at all yeah

[cerulean sable]

for them HK was unfinished

[frosty light]

😭

[opaque sigil]

for everyone it was

I remember pre-update hive and tl

if I was them I'd be unhappy with that too

[cerulean sable]

HK was only "finished" to them at around version 1.4 or 1.5 but nobody remembers how much we were missing in hindsight

yeah lmao

i remember playing on Grimm Troupe's release, Hive was empty, Traitor lord was a pushover, the fungal jumpers didnt even have a death sound

[fleet temple]

It technically still is now

[cunning geode]

oh man, pre hive knight

[opaque sigil]

the penultimate boss being a sized up rando is not great

[cerulean sable]

god remember when new TL was hated

then they realized its literally just a shade dash tutorial

all of their attacks are in sync with SD's cooldown

[opaque sigil]

which makes sense and is good

sd only really gets two fights to shine

[cerulean sable]

i wish he had new music though 😔

[frosty light]

honestly forget the other stuff, i cant even imagine not giving traitor lord double damage specifically. fuckin cloth helping you fight an early game boss right before the white fragment

[opaque sigil]

you can't forget hive

tl was bafflingly easy but hive was blatantly incomplete

[frosty light]

he gets uhhh... um... anger... wrathfful... uh. the enraged god track in the hall of gods. so its a little more his theme than the like 5 other bosses that also use it

ig oro&mato and sly do only ever use godhome tracks, huh

[cerulean sable]

also sideline but i unironically hope TC goes harder on the swelling strings for Silksong https://youtu.be/NKDTaTlWOjw?t=41
im not saying to make it "bombastic" but you get me, something about urgent sounding strings (dunno how to describe it in music terms)

wasted track too imo 😔

[lament lotus]

oh i absolutely wish this too

[frosty light]

wait, what music are we gonna get in the platforming sequences?

guess itd make sense if they reused an areas fight theme?

[cerulean sable]

i feel like theyre gonna minimize the repeated boss music this time

or repeated music in general

[opaque sigil]

I'm not sure that'll be more than a one time thing with the lava

[cerulean sable]

i dunno

for what its worth HK doesnt really reuse tracks that much to begin with

[frosty light]

damn

[opaque sigil]

well that depends on how many weaker bosses they have, it might not make sense to make tracks for all the grand hunt targets for instance

sometimes things just don't need unique tracks

[cerulean sable]

yeah

i just wish Watcher Knights didnt fucking resuse False Knight's ost

not because its bad

[frosty light]

we've seen three, right? the steel assassin, and wasnt there one with... sawblades, i think? coming from the left? not that thered necessarily be more than those (assuming i didnt just make up the second ) but itd be strange if they was just the normal tracks

[cerulean sable]

but i think WK deserves to be a bit more unique given their position

[opaque sigil]

only the lava one looked timed

hornet going past an enemy doesn't mean she's in an escape sequence

[frosty light]

fr?

[opaque sigil]

there was a thing with moving platforms on saws but that looked pretty normal platforming stuff iidk

I'm not sure it makes sense to do that very much anyways

it kind of loses its kick

[frosty light]

its a particular character though, and theyre full of steel, like jinn, so itd make sense if the reason she didnt kill a chasing enemy like that was because she couldnt

[opaque sigil]

https://youtu.be/JSfuFlhsxZY?t=14

[frosty light]

although itd be kind of anticlimactic if everyone but sharpe just sort of had to leave after a while because you absolutely couldnt damage them or smth

[strong girder]

I can’t wait for Hornet to Silksong all overt screen

[opaque sigil]

sure but that's very different from the rising lava

especially since it's way slower than her

[frosty light]

that looks OTHING like what i remembered

[uncut flint]

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this isi auruaurua your host for today brigning you your daily sikllson neeewws...
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[frosty light]

it was awesome and the way the saws covered the screen on the left in irregular patterns was sick...

[opaque sigil]

were you thinking of the part at 0:21

that also doesn't really look timed it just looks like a platforming room

[fleet temple]

Rewatching the trailer now I actually hope that there's still a fair amount of areas we haven't seen yet

[opaque sigil]

I suspect we've probably seen glimpses of most of them

[frosty light]

it just (in theory) forces you to platform in a hurry, i wasnt being that specific. i do hope they rubber band toward or something though. although i guess, if the assassins are after you and they show up multiple times, you could easily have like several short scuffles with them and youre just ambushed by that one a few times or something, but the specific interaction isnt long

[opaque sigil]

maybe 1 or 2 will be completely sight unseen

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's pretty slow

[frosty light]

could have influenced me, but no, it genuinely looked really different to the first timestamp, but based on the aesthetic

[opaque sigil]

sometimes memory just be like that

[frosty light]

the saws were like overlapping on each other around the background and foreground, it was a whole thing. idk when my brain distorted it into that but i think its been years

clearly ill just have to make the games first mod, then... /s

[opaque sigil]

maybe that's streams getting crossed with the marrow

or this room

[frosty light]

i recall graig said tc considered having a big final proper exploration area that challenged you to use all of your tools, so i wonder if this time there could still be a whole area left between the game's main non linear objectives and the ending ...would definitely be the area not to show, if so

ill try to find the message

[opaque sigil]

that would be cool

[frosty light]

no, i do think it was just like, the saws on the ground... well, even they arent that similar. guess i dunno

[opaque sigil]

ig it would be like making wp more of an area and putting it properly at the end

if they wanted to keep earlier endings (analogous to thk) they would need to separate the triggers spatially though

eg put not-thk at the base of the citadel and not-dnm at the top

if they wanted to keep an ending that didn't make you do all the stuff to get it couldn't come after that area

[frosty light]

would work well if there was a switcheroo like that in the plot. rather than a different solution to the ending, its realizing theres this whole other thats the REAL (x)

[cerulean sable]

honestly i wouldnt mind funneling the final part of a game in a WP style challenge gate

im not saying it specifically has to be a platforming challenge like WP, yeah like you said
"you need all your tools to progress here, you have it now. Now we can finally challenge you on even terms"

avoids the issue of how lopsided some sections can be because of your ability disparity

[opaque sigil]

well it avoids the issue for that area

it'll still be a problem elsewhere for some players but that's unavoidable

[cerulean sable]

probably stay open for like 80% of the game while the last 20% becomes a hard ability gate

[cerulean sable]

mostly for climatic pacing

easier to stuff the Grimms and the PVs in a single area if that makes sense

[opaque sigil]

I did think the final boss being somewhere you saw in the beginning of the game was neat but yeah they don't need to do it again

[frosty light]

more spaced out wp-colo-(maybe-a-few-bosses-like-godhome-before-the-end) weaved into a cohesive area 🥹

[opaque sigil]

well colo is a very specific style of thing

[lament lotus]

i mean wasnt alot of stuff supposed to be in 1 area

in hk i mean but got scrapped

[opaque sigil]

bone forest was going to be big yes

[frosty light]

if its before the very end, i wouldnt mind if it was the most linear full area, too. could build anticipation if you had an idea of whats coming, but are anxiously forced to push through to get to whatever that would be

[opaque sigil]

a lot of areas are relatively linear

even in hk

[lament lotus]

i remember now all the dreamers were supposed to be in one area

yeah that would've sucked

[frosty light]

im referring to the game holding back in the enemy combos so they can go all out in colo. its a lot more laid back elsewhere. wouldnt necessarily have to be like a bunch of fight club arenas in the same area, though, maybe

[opaque sigil]

I would appreciate smaller combat rooms being more prevalent throughout

Use each area’s enemies and never clump too many together in a short time

[frosty light]

since my literal only other metroidvania experiences were from games i played when i was like... 2 weeks old or something, i can only really speak comparatively here sounds right though, mainly in the beginning, and like, basin, and... does white palace even count

[opaque sigil]

It’s pretty uncommon that an area actually has multiple paths to the key upgrade from your starting point but sometimes there are multiple starting points

[frosty light]

shorter but more spread out, you mean? one way thatd help is in the case of permanent progress on death, which might give them more flexibility on the space between benches, for instance?

[opaque sigil]

I mean having things like the deep docks fight room throughout the game

[analog vortex]

Guys

[frosty light]

i think ill have to rewatch that. in my mind it might be anywhere between 2 enemies and 8, so

[frosty light]

if you die at some specific period relating to the eye nail spawns, one of them doesnt disappear on the next attempt until platform phase
...it _has~killed me

[opaque sigil]

I can’t actually think of any definite exceptions to this, maybe crystal peak I don’t remember exactly

But that’s not even that different

[frosty light]

hmm. no, i think theres one way gates that prevent you from taking a different path in the big peaks room

[opaque sigil]

And the game does direct you towards crystal guardian pretty robustly anyways

[opaque sigil]

That would be consistent with how other areas work

[frosty light]

its just like the rooms before that that differ if you come from above or below

[subtle flint]

i am starting to get eepy

[opaque sigil]

They love to be loops that are closed at one end so you have to go around in one specific path

[frosty light]

what the hell are the abilities in hk again

a third of them are spells

[subtle flint]

dash shade dash, double ju,mp, wall climb, swim

[opaque sigil]

The only non-generic one really is cdash

[subtle flint]

uh

cdash

[opaque sigil]

HK’s suite of abilities is not very innovative

[frosty light]

crossroads, greenpath, wastes, city, maybe waterways, gardens and canyon do have shortcuts...

unfortunately team cherry didnt make shrogoing necessary for progression...

[opaque sigil]

Which you open from the other side at the end of a pretty linear walk around the area

[woven cradle]

hello silk and singers

[violet path]

What is up

[woven cradle]

Heaven

[subtle flint]

eepy

thats whats up

its 8 am

[frosty light]

wait, you cant skip it in gardens, right. because in fog you can get to the shortcut from those two spots but in gardens... where tf does the howling wraiths spot lead again?

[subtle flint]

ive yet to sleep

[violet path]

Its 2 for me

Similarly awake

[frosty light]

well when did you wake up

[woven cradle]

its 7 for me

[violet path]

Started watching chainsawman

Because sleep is lame anyways

[subtle flint]

i woke up at lke 11am

ive been hanging out with friends

having a tiny lil lan party with drins and stuff

:3

[woven cradle]

shoulda watched gf

[frosty light]

oh wait is hallownest.net just gone

[warped rock]

yeah i noticed that too

[woven cradle]

yes,

[frosty light]

back to dream, huh

[violet path]

Watched what now

[frosty light]

damn

[woven cradle]

first time when I saw your pfp I thought you were dream

[woven cradle]

gf

[rustic ore]

I'm still so fuckin upset at the loss of the Library of Alexandria

[grand ferry]

what this

[frosty light]

not this time :notthistime:

[tired sedge]

Good morning you all

[rustic ore]

Bitchass fire causing irreparable damage to so much ancient knowledge

[opaque sigil]

When did Hallownest.net die I didn’t download it on any of my current devices

[warped rock]

no im tammo

[violet path]

Idk what that is

[woven cradle]

I know that

[woven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-bill-ciher-its-funny-gif-5076062

[violet path]

Oh nah

[rustic ore]

And absolutely fuck WWII for destroying a Spinosaurus skeleton in a German museum (I think German)

[violet path]

Its never getting finale

[warped rock]

wha

[violet path]

Why should i watch hm

[woven cradle]

it already got a finale

[warped rock]

wdym what this

[woven cradle]

the book of bill is releaesing in like 5 days

[frosty light]

i think gravity falls ended... oh god, 10 years ago?

[rustic ore]

dont do this.

[woven cradle]

the legacy hasn't the book of bill coming

[opaque sigil]

That can’t be right I’m not that old

[wheat sail]

pushing 40

[frosty light]

february 15 2016 actually

[grand ferry]

what this

[violet path]

“See you next summer”

[woven cradle]

3 days before my birthday

[wheat sail]

team cherry nft

[violet path]

Website of map

[frosty light]

book of bill... the billble?!

[opaque sigil]

You never used hallownest.net?

Shame

[grand ferry]

no