#sk-discussion
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did
did you kidnap her
prequel means that nothing major can happen to hornet like her dying or becoming a god
therefore prequel is the lamer option
No
slacker
Seal breaking bugs
?tag info jokerpsa
https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ
No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.
30 seconds · Clipped by Kingdom Killer · Original video "Hollow Knight: Silksong Gameplay - Nintendo Treehouse: Live | E3 2019" by Nintendo of America
it's not though
Thus we repeat the circle of conversation
a seal
one that can plausibly be broken
What would ss being a prequel accomplish?
doesn't matter, bugs can still break it
tk couldn't break the seal directly and needed to kill the dreamers
something that can break the seal directly could potentially get around it
and the literal first scene of ss involves a big flashy seal explosion
now look... having a seal breaking bug break open the black egg only for hornet to get released from her NEXT cage by ANOTHER seal breaking bug is pretty contrived...
they want that sweet silk she got
tc could not have made it clearer that sealed siblings could lead to silksong if they put it in bold lettering
Sweet sweet silk
never seen anybody who thinks it's a prequel even attempt to explain the point of the power wipe
honestly I feel like if it was a prequel they would've just said so
also like its totally plausible that sealed siblings just ends there and silksong progresses from the other endings if TC deem it so. its really up to them
and yes i know it can follow from sealed siblings
just make it follow dream no more, it’s the best ending and they don’t even have to say that’s the only canon one
oh ive explained it. it means there is gonna be a SECOND PREQUEL STARRING HORNET BEFORE SILKSONG!!!
or just don't say which
that's the only approach that really makes any sense
it's not relevant anyways
They should get rid of every ending
remember, theres no lore
Your face is pretty contrived
oh no
i mean kinda?
her fate in some of the endings, godhome and sealed siblings (yes yes sbbs) is ambiguous so like how she ended up from there to pharloom kinda matters
time
To run
I mean wombat is a bit right
If TC wants to make a sequel, they can find a way to explain sealed siblings if they have to
They make the game, they make the story, they aren't beholden to the ending
forgot to unreply
i dont mind
You got seal breaking flies and you still use seals too
godbome more like midhome
yeah I just wasn't responding to you and I thought it would look weird
that time period doesn’t exist
Before Cot cutsc
what if TC want to have an ending that doesn't involve hornet returning to hallownest?
you know what
hornet returning to hallownest is dumb, what does she want to be princess over some rubble?
I think putting the game as a prequel for hk would just muddy hornets character honestly
i wanna play the game im kinda tired discussin it within the realm of speculation
so the canonicity of endings only matter in hk but not silksong?
I do think when it was still a dlc hornet's story was probably a prequel though
god, same man
I honestly doubt that due to the nature of etv
Note: PLEASE DO NOT START ETV DISCUSSION I BEG YOU CHAT
embrace the void more like
etv isn't getting touched in ss
etv simply doesn’t exist
wait... how could... the game release... and its... oh no... its bad
enter the vungeon
embrace the fact that nothing truly matters
so why not silksong?
also they could change their mind
ETV is gonna get covered
I mean throughout hollow knight we do our best to revive dirthmoutj
you matter!
Certain endings of hk is pretty hopeful for dirtmouth and hallownest honestly
Only in hallownest
better yet
the video game gets embroiled in intense political discourse online which bleeds into the server and causes me to pop a blood vessel
but yeah thankfully I haven't talked about ss in a while so I'm fine with discussion but I really do just wanna play the game now
Only in pharloom
not your own blood vessel i hope
carmelita represents the upper class
if it was a prequel then why did they do the power wipe
hopeful, but not for hallownest
that kingdom is dead, and Mr shroom shows it’s age is over, anything built after hallownest wouldn’t be hallownest, just a new civilization moving in
To spite you specifically
yeah to be real its actually a lot easier to make a sequel considering future events havent happened yet and theres a lot more continuity freedom... yknow, linear time stuff and shit
I don't like the idea of it being a prequel
Sequel has more potential
that's just my opinion
why make a point of explicitly removing hornet's powers (ie the ones she has in hk) prior to silksong
She forrogo
also like are you gonna actually answer this point or?
if it's a sequel ofc this makes perfect sense to cover a pretty glaring hole
if it's a prequel then why
Maybe silk time is nonlinear
i told you sequelist fools the answer already
Yeah thats true but I think hornet would still stay for that
Time is like spaghetti
and spaghetti is hornet’s favorite meal
C
void denying time spanned multiple kingdoms and the whole world is in a time stasis
blocked
assuming she doesn't find something better to do in silksong
what are we talking about
couldn’t handle the truth
muted
Plus honestly hallownest still needs a protecter even after all that happened in hk
nuh uh
and plus I don't really think it being a prequel accomplishes anything that are usually the point of prequels
they don't that's not a thing
#ss-lore rain upon thee
When the yapping is yapping
and hornet explicitly remembers having the sting shards in the fd dialogue
Yeah she could definitely have a reason to leave hallownest but I dont think she would be the wandering nomad type of character
how is silksong gonna be about hornet uncovering her past or whatever if she forgets... her past
Hornet: If you are as talented as you suggest, would you lend me your aid, if only briefly? I’ve lacked for my usual tools, and I suspect you could craft fine replacements.
Forge-Daughter: Blades and traps, no doubt? I know your type!
Hornet: Of sorts, but maybe strange to this land? Some would likely prove fine challenge for your craft.
she didn't choose to leave
I think the core of this conversation is that
im tired
The Gloom eye queen should’ve been elaborated
We dont know when she was kidnapped no?
Why doesnt jornet just talk normally
thats destiny 2 right window
it’s melina duh
hornet with a british voice ❤️
you WISH
She could've left for one reason and simply got drained from her journey allowing the kidnapping or they could've just taken her from hallownest
it would be inconsistent with her outlook to just wander into the wastes for no reason, she probably got abducted from hallownest
oh so its warframe
Hornet would be better with a deep south accent
transformer plotline....
Yeah I 100% agree with this but if she had a reason I could imagine her trying to venture forth
damn
What isnvocalized
I’m gonna go to bed now
good knight
sad hours
But mods are cheating
Fortunately, I allowed it
I do just hope they dont go both games exist fully without the other
Yeah
new charms are busted
😼
I know silksong is gonna be able to stand on its own but I think it would be vastly better if it was more than just that
I mean you have weavers and weaversong in HK and hornet's HK abilities and at least a few references to HK in SS
mods can fundamentally change the gameplay away from the original
i hope they keep it to just deepnest being further explored, hallownest needs its mysteries
POV arguing in bad faith
HK's story is over there's really no reason to bring it into things
I really hope hornets lineage with is substantial in some way or another and not just the weaver part
Cough cough Mr. Mushroom delicate flower shade lord weavers cough
Being part wyrm is probably important
tbf mr mushroom is his own story
I think so too
here's my take on silksong being a prequel
What is the purpose of prequels?
the answer: mainly to provide better insight into past events in a story
Now, hollow knight does have a lot of important past events... in hallownest
silksong is not set in hallownest, therefore, it being a prequel would not accomplish anything that a flashback in a sequel wouldn't
and it seems like the only reason for silksong to be a prequel, is to just get around sealed siblings
which, if I were TC, I would gladly take new story opportunities and character development over stretching the canon a bit
delicate flower isn't important mr mushroom isn't a plot actor shade lord isn't relevant weavers are the one through line and their presence in hallownest isnt' what makes them matter
Hollow knight: silksong
Mhmmm mhmmm sure ok
😓
Wonder if that weird ass chandelier is going to be explained in silksong
Probably not
No this is Patrick
which one
It will!!!
Spider chandelier
silksong isn't the hk random stuff roundup
and it wouldn't be a good thing if it was
oh the trilobite
that’s just herrahs husband
he’s a little strange looking but calling him a chandelier is uncalled for/j
If its for some reason relevant to the weavers it might be explained but it is what it is
leave that to zoteboat
Herrahs husband is bigger, and foolisher
Hornet
it’s like the fate series (i’ve never watched fate)
And also vengefly king will make an appearance
aw
final fantasy is in the title... this must be the last one
My booster role is gone
this will be the biggest fake marketing ever since 'The NeverEnding Story'
oh well, free nitro was cool
The greatest game ever made
I feel like there's this mentality with a lot of sequels to games with lingering questions like this that it's going to explain literally EVERYTHING about the prior game which is simply untrue
just go with the doom eternal route and crap all over the somewhat decent story you tried presenting seriously
kill demon
you right
game players when the game
gamers when the pixels change on the screen in a way they dont like
Gamers when the gameplay is perfect but the is the but
Team cherry will elaborate on who the trilobite was
If stuff was going to be explained a bit more most of it probably did die between the dlc and game change
there isn't really anything that needs to be explained
what if ancient civilization..... they were all trilobites
true…
I mean maybe not explain but elaborate on
a beautiful tie-in with how trilobites were on earth for a bajillion years
I blame marvel for people no longer having the concept of something being created to be a completed work
Could always get a bit more from the ancient civilization even if their story is pretty simple
recontextualization is a beautiful
you guys wanna see something awesome
yes!
what is this? music for ants?
its so cute
ewww void in my silksong?
not on my watch
I just doubt from the fact that if silksong was gonna be a dlc that everything would be brand new
It would very much elaborate on stuff in the base game
We must look to our fellow metroidvanias to see how they deal with new information on a old game
Thats like a major reason dlc is even made
Like elden ring
to be fairrrrrr they decided to make it a full game before hollow knight even released
Silksong
they still called it a dlc though, smh sue them for false advertisement
externally for a few years yeah
But regardless weaver stuff will be elaborated and that trilobite statue does fall into that category!!!
i think thats sue worthy you might be onto something
Pale king the game
i wanna see some glimpses of the surface world please... im pretty sure the only time we've seen it was the land of storms dream
and even then who knows
Pale king being eleborated more on from a character that actually feels emotions and is more than just a husk would be cool
it'll be little timmy's front yard
The surface is minecraft
Ant bully
wtf
i fucking love this show
how would they elaborate on pk though? like from what we know he had no part in hornets upbringing besides being her father, but i guess that’s room for a 2hr long flashback of them doing wholesome things like catch
another path of pain cutscene
Pale king was stuck in ice stasis and woke up far along in hollow knights present
please no
I think just the effect of having parentage of someone like that
A being of immense power from a line of respected beings
Pale king new information would be, he was a bad dad too
On top of the whole killing and letting semi living creatures to die in a pit
PK flashback is just him walking away from hornet and that’s all we get
I just dont think the weaver plot points are going to gloss over her full lineage honestly
PK is part of her lineage, but it does seem like they’re leading a lot more heavily towards the spider side
Man spider
Yeah which is awesome but I just dont think that should be the sole focus of hornet
which would make sense, hollow knight was all about PK and WL and their children
i was gonna make a joke about PK following the same "at his prime" fight like in DS3 with more bombastic choirs
but now i actually wanna discuss something about health bars and pacing
so i think majority of people here agrees that theyd rather not add health bars yes? but what about pacing
should bosses across have the same consistent aspect of them (although at the cost of predictability) that gives an obvious "this is the 2nd phase, and that means the boss is in half health!"
now its gonna be about hornet and lace and their adopted child sherma
namely, stuff ranging from obvious new attacks, music changes, etc denoting you are progressing into the fight
ala dung defender
I dont see anything wrong with that
Adds more tension and readability to a fight
its often more entertaining to change up a fight as it progresses yeah
Why must it be at half
makes it feel like its taking less time plus of course readability and its just cool
more explosions
Could if be at 65% or 45% for the lols
granted this also comes with the caveat of like what i said with how predictable it is
you essentially end up with the precedent bosses always (or usually) has 2 phases which can make it predictable
whether this is a bad thing or a non issue, i wanna hear your thoughts about this
theres no guarantee you know whats coming though
I like multistage fights
Not just the boss should change but the surroundings as well
simply add more than two phases to a boss fight
problem solved, no need to thank me
it wasn't an issue for me in hollow knight, so I'm fine with it being in silksong
oh sorry theres 2 caveats
- makes the fights predictable
- makes some fights less special because everyone has 2 phases
phase 2: he angry\
oh man this reminds me of boss fight ideas ive had cooked up in my brain for years... kids these days not writing anything down 😔
Lot of souls bosses work being multistaged because how hard they go for the stage transitions[sometimes]
you don't have to make every fight have 2 phases tho
in this hypothetical FOLLOW ALONG
Could always go sister friede route
I enjoy multistage bosses because they can force you to master the earlier phase/s which I like
also depending on the game multistage boss fights give you checkpoints that make sense
not really applicable to hk
imagine mid fight checkpoints in silksong
Mutlistaged would make sense with how silksong is presumably set up
Everything seems more fluid
Every damage you deal is a checkpoint
imagine no checkpoints in silksong... all those benches ari drew are for looks only
You have to pay for checkpoints
the whole game is silk soul mode
geo for bench already exists
its pale king's hostile architecture at work
“100 different benches” 99 of them are just in a bench museum
hey it’s not hostile if you got money
we call that business
ori 2 
Was playing hades and a construction feature could be cool for silksong as well
With forging and craftsmithing being important in ss would make for a cool addition
no eh thats just like for players to spend excess darkness because they are endgame
Hornet having to drop some dough to add a bench or hotsprings in certain areas
construction as in base building?
Hornet learns to sleep on the floor
No more like putting in benches or paths in certain areas
hornet is homeless, driven by housing crisis
Not necessarily per say but quality of life
Lace hates the homeless
You may not rest now; there are monsters nearby
Money in the late game of HK felt too generous
The real monster is
ok but like a cocoon that functioned like a onetime use respawn and bench would be amazing
Well I'd imagine the further you are in a game the more you get
But cant I donate my geo to bug charity or something
Money in late game HK got awkward because you run out of things to buy but ss can basically justify infinite payments for shell shards
Makes me wonder how they’ll balance shell shards and tools
am i reading this wrong?
are you saying like use rosaries to buy essentially infinite shell shards or the shards themselves are the fix
you will always have a potential use for rosaries if there's a shard vendor
Maybe I’m missing something, Was this confirmed?
I see
else?
else you'll eventually run out of things to buy and rosaries will become as meaningless as geo
a sad result
A buff system could work possibly
Gain a mask or gain another tool charge until your death for some rosaries
If a boss rush mode is added could be pretty advantageous
Also looks like losing Money will look different in ss
You can turn rosaries into permanent rosary strings that you don’t lose
My rosary bands
But when you die you cant recover your held rosaries like you could in HK, seems like a trade off
a nice one, gets rid of the corpse run
Wonder if the rosarie will go farther than geo
The hallownest economy was in shambles
Invest in pharcoin
Invest in silk before hornet kills the suppliers
The geo presumably was based on nothing
Wait nevermind that only works on printed money
you probably can
there's no reason to remove that and it would make boss fights complete bullshit
except it doesn't even do that since your meter gets broken
Whats the current topic friends
I’m guessing the bell benches team cherry mentioned are made for that
those don't really solve the problem
I just dont get why you would need to pay someone to put a string on your rosaries
Like hornet makes her own string
hornet is stupid
its a legal thing
The problem?
create the problem, sell the solution
Wow
either:
every boss fight is a currency wipe and you can't really do much
or:
every single time you get an amount of money that isn't negligible you have to go through the chore of stringing
both are bad
there's no reason not to let you recover rosaries from the cocoon
stringing up rosaries is fine as an extra security (it's basically a banking system) but it's not an alternative for currency recovery
the only reason the idea of not recovering rosaries exists in the first place is that not being implemented in the 2019 demo which is definitely not indicative of how it'll work in the final product
My Kirb removal spray is almost complete
You created kirb
Guilty as charged
mama 🥺
I WILL spray you
I just hope team cherry won’t mess up rosaries in silksong
Team cherry try not to ruin things challenge
impsobile
Imposter mobile
I have faith, I just hope they don’t make it too safe, or too punishing
I hope it's super safe
you gotta pick up the rosaries like sonic rings
I hope the game in general is super unbalanced
I've come to realize that Christopher Larkin makes really good background music for moist areas. Greenpath, City of Tears, Moss Grotto. Larkin knows how to make moist sound good.
I know how to make moist sound good
whats wrong with chu
tbh the fact that runbacks are sticking at all is kinda disappointing
it was pretty bad in hk
yeah bosses should just leave after beating you once
So true
the fact that the shade will spawn far enough in some boss rooms that to collect it you have to trigger the fight is one of the most comically awful pieces of game design I've seen
the soul warrior room 
Vengeful spirit was my saviour for situations like this
wk is by far the worst offender
But I do agree with the corpse run being kinda ass
I legitimately do not know how this made it into the final project at all
it's also antithetical to the game's own advice which quirrel gives when the ml kill you
which is 'sometimes you aren't ready to do shit so don't throw yourself at a wall go upgrade'
and then it forces you to keep throwing yourself at a wall or lose all your cash
and the only bank is a scam
it says a lot about hollowciety
and the cocoons look like they may be even worse offenders
I like the idea of rosary strings and the trade off being losing rosaries immediately upon death because it keeps losses short term
I leave for 10 minutes and now we're shitting on the game wtf
if you lose all rosaries immediately on death then there's also completely no reason to break the silk meter
Agree
but they do that
nobody has played hollow knight
it's broken in some screenshots
Feels like In the late game of hk it wasn’t as easy to lose all your geo
True
cap, I was bad at the game, constantly lost my geo
I think losing short-term rosaries seems like a counter to this
it's making it worse
Damn man I’m sorry
dont be, I was an idiot when i started playing
not having recoverable rosaries makes strings go from a qol boon to an asinine chore
it's just bad
and it'll make the economy drag for anybody who isn't willing to just spontaneously lose all their cash if they didn't know a boss was coming
you werent bad, the game just isnt fair 
can we stop hating on the game pls
ok ❤️
I don’t see strings as a chore, if fact I’d say they makes bell benches all the more relieving to come across
all soulslike games are, but that is the fun of it S2
it's a chore if you have to spend 20% of all your cash on bullshit insurance
I want to be able to make the rosary stings on the bell benches
if they're optional then sure fine
i also believe insurance is a scam
rosary strings would be totally fine qol features if you can recover rosaries from cocoons
they are not a serviceable alternative to that
TRUE (I am playing Sekiro and it’s basically just doing that
)
Fortunately I am now in the endgame and there is very little for me to buy 
I don’t mind the 20%, sounds more than fair to me but it also seems like a perspective thing
give me money so i will give you money IF something happens
well they won't be so too bad❤️
if it was free sure
and make it automatically do it
but that would still make very little sense given that the spool breaks
I guess the tax is kinda weird to have
Maybe it’s for skilled player who don’t die often but what would they need the extra money for lmao
I hope one crest is just LEAGUES above the others and you get it like mid game but it's super easy to miss
it's for people who get anxious about it
it's peace of mind
it's like if you could buy relics in hk
because people do get anxious about it
I hope I phrased that the right way
Anyways I hope they get it right is what I’m really hoping for
Also
I mean it doesn't seem like it's going to be great regardless but whatever
corpse collection is a thing
They could just get rid of the tax and make everything 20% more expensive
heya everyone
that's even worse
Or give you 20% less rosaries
Mumashi
I mean it’s behind the scenes so you don’t know your even getting less money
She's cool she likes anime and she's hot and she makes music
And you aren’t even getting less money really
If the goal is to make it a loot run where the relief comes from arriving at a safe spot where you can turn your money into safe money then they should just cut to the core of it
No tax needed
then you never lose any meaningful amount of money so the system's all void
it's meaningless
You’re losing money when you die
pennies
complaining about won't change the fact that's what's gonna happen
if every bench locks it in you're never holding enough to care
it probably isn't
there is a tax
you can probably recover your rosaries
that would be the best way to do it
and there's no reason to think it's not what they're doing
That all depends on what and how much you can buy, which we’ve yet to see
but that's not what was shown in the trailer
the trailer doesn't show that mechanic
I meant demo
and the demo not implementing it doesn't mean anything
that was an extremely early demo with no actual economy
those have only been framed as extra security
?
it would be like being able to buy relics in hollow knight
then why does every say it's the other way
because the demo didn't implement it so they assume that's final
even though it was a demo and that's a silly assumption
I mean didn't the demo still have shell shards being collected upon recovery
give me a minute
when you die you keep your shell shards
it would really suck if you lost the shards lmao
you only get tools on your first boss attempt
and now after seeing the demo footage I'm reminded of how good this game looks and I'm hyped again 😭
Silly idea but they can make it so tools are recharged for free upon death (without using shards)
Also I think maybe the death collection system will be different in the final game
because the cocoons feel kinda placeholder-y
that would be pretty exploitable 
Nice
They should totally double down and add blood vials to silksong
Weve been in the trenches
Fighting
Speculating
Theorizing
And our names won’t be listed on some grand wall
Oh yeah?
what the hell is female D4C doing here
well maybe not your name
but definitely not mine 👹
just chizel your name on it smh
And that’s a good thing because governments utilizing the names of the dead can in theory be utilized by said government to coerce new recruits in joining as future cogs
as the names of the dead cant share their truths
(As you can see Ive been workshopping some military/political THEMES for some stories)
damn
fire barrels has to be my favourite weapon in HL2
Popeyes
Why did Hornet get kidnapped, is she stupid?
She's delayed
Indefinitely
Maybe she is stupid
hornet more like stupid poo
silksong release tomorrow real
I mean why not right
its coming
in 2026
Guys team cherry spins a wheel of every single possible future date
What is the possibility of tomorrow
song
True
Real
Cool
silksong
silksong: hollow knight edition
humanity doesn't exist, this is proof, no sane peson would make this
ai meme
Ok
i... got nothing
They planned on releasing it in 2023 but 2024 and no word so far 💀
let them cook... something
wher
no shit theyre still making it FUCK U
on discord im not gonna find it tho
WELL YEAH BUT SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS CANCELLED
my bald head is cancelled
ALSO DONT FUCK ME FUCK UNITY THEY FUCKED INDIE DEVS
TEAM CHERRY IS RICH THEY CAN AFFORD UNITY
💀
THEY MIGHT NOT WANNA SUPPORT IT
OH YEAH THEY ARE PORTING IT TO RPG MAKER 2003

OMG OMG
HOLY SHIT GUYS
oh yeahh we cant make the june 2023 release date, sorry gang
oh yeah when may it release then, or hows the game going
🏃 working on it! (totally not in development hell)
SOMEONE ON SS DISCUSSION IS FUNNY FOR ONCE
YOU
ME
no but i think we have no news cuz "expect more details from us once we get closer to release" and they are making the game amazing also theres 3 people working on the game, one is marketing (which rn idk what hes doing)
they are funding Pipsqueak! so they release faster and they can steal their ideas
I am desperate to get off this boat
jump off the boat
We know but thx anyways
I mean to land
swim
team cherry trying to make a tweet about the status of the game (30 words or less)
shamelessness
anyway i throw it back to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju7_j6UtlQ0
Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group
Give It To Me · Timbaland · Justin Timberlake · Nelly Furtado
Shock Value
℗ 2007 Blackground Records/Interscope Records
Released on: 2007-01-01
Producer, Associated Performer, Drums: Timbaland
Producer, Co- Producer, Associated Performer, Keyboards, Bass Guitar: Danja
Studio Personnel, Record...
I mean kinda your fault for believing in it
oh i was skeptical, but people were PISSED after the showcase
team cherry hire marketing guy leth so he can take the piss
team cherry themselves not letting him market anything
🤷♂️
more work at crosworn
I’m still mad about violence against minorities but like yeah you do you ig
i mean they may want to wait till its closer to release (idk how its not "closer" after one year) to show another trailer
cuz if they think its coming out this year so they say "releasing 2024" then it releases next year
how it feels to just let silksong happen instead of fiending for it every day
people will be pissed
True I’ve got no clue what made this leaker more credible than any other leaker
people are pissed after every showcase
we had even less evidence for the direct in June and people were just as mad
okay thats on them for believing it with no evidence whatsoever
people are desperate that's why
We got comfortable with the release window back in 2022/2023 but now that that's gone people want something to latch on to
Thing is if it's an actual leaker with a real source you can't just prove it unless you expose the source and then Nintendo spanks them
Pyoro 🫡
Team cherry should hire more people for us to rage at and blame
Pyro?
The British YouTuber?
also deep rock corn nice cultist pfp
Thanks 
best terraria boss
So true
cultists from slay the spire ong
its like nintendo fans throwing shit at a wall when we dont get OoT remastered for the switch at nintendo direct, when we have no reason to believe its gonna be there
hopefully we get news by the end of the year 🫠
Zelda fans can expect some Zelda game each time at least, team cherry is in dev hell
Simply put, they're coooked
hopefully it gets better
cuz i think (correct me if im wrong) one person is doing the coidng for the entire game
and one perisn is doing animation and art
the tf2 mod incident
"I FORGOT I HAD THAT MOD ON"
me when i get silksong in 30204
pyrolive is absolute slop but the main channel is genuinely passionate
eh, I hope so but like
what yall think releases first: gta6 or silksong
the 2023 window wasn't really legit so who knows how far away they are
yea
i mean w hollow knight we got the release date like 2 weeks before the game releases
do you actually think TC are in dev hell or are you doing a bit?
More that people want some crumbs from them sometimes. They could come out and say they're getting cooked and that's why there's been basically nothing but just silence . Feature creeped up to them and they're done for
I don't think that means ss will be the same though
so silksong could be a month away, could be 4 months, could be a year
i just wanna know how much closer "closer to release" means
I don't think they actually are but wouldn't be surprised if they were at this point 🤷♂️
I have unsubscribed from pyrolive
:becomes normal
I think that it's possible that they could be in some really bad scope creep but ultimately it's unknown
the thing is
pyrolive rn are full of videos that you just play on the background and nothing else
not as good as pyro's main channel
Petscop 3 before ss
Mhmmmmmm
for this u go the vods channel
If you think about it they technically haven't finished all they planned for hollow knight
like they're still working on it
Expanded abyss in silksong
pharloom is void
Team cherry has seen all the metroidvanias that released and know the expectations for the game so they don't wanna disappoint
So they don't wanna ever show anything to embarrass themselves
We all know how hollow knight was only released when it was because TC ran out of money right
After it came out they put all the stuff they didn't finish into the dlcs
but
but
There was one dlc that wasn't released
they planned to make a hornet dlc, which would be the final one and would be the outcome of the 2nd playable character stretch goal
but then they kept working on it, until it became silksong
and they're still making it
Yeah we know
well yes of course
I'm just putting it into perspective how heavy they can get hit by feature creep
that's juts what i call uhh
A biss
Well people will just use the argument "well there's no evidence that there IS feature creep, therefore there is no feature creep" logically fallaciousness
vacuously true
and since now with all the success and money they made off of Hollow Kight, I do think it is a genuine concern that with nothing holding them back and with prior experience in self restraint, they'll just keep going until who knows when
3 people working on it, they can still give updates, people acting like I never follow any indie devs many of them can give updates like at least once every few months or something
True
but then you can use the opposite logic
there's no evidence that it ISN'T in feature creep
so is the negation
Yeah there's nothing concrete but how they act aren't like normal devs who have everything completely under control, so you could say that is some sort of soft evidence or hint
Though up to each person to say what's normal
I'm not saying I think that TC is in feature creep dev hell and they're just adding with no end in sight until the game becomes a bloated mess
But I am saying that I am concerned of the possibility
I would like to be proven wrong and I do trust TC
it's jsut a fear I have
My take is that gleamlight shook them so hard they delayed everything
They must know it's a very hyped game but they are acting like they can't say anything about it. Could deduce why they won't say anything
Honestly I think that they really can't say anything now
If everything is going smoothly then they aren't acting like it, more like acting like a dev who can't progress and literally can't show or say anything
so true
what is negation
can always count on kirb to get the scoops
the fact that they had so much silence before, saying anything other than a release date would be met with some less than favourable responses
🕵️
what regular human wrote before me
Yeah and some people here may insult those people for thinking like that
Don't get me wrong, I think the communication could be better but I think it's too late now
But if a game is hyped and you never say anything can you really say negative responses are unexpected
sunk cost fallacy
are you saying I'm the one making the sunk cost fallacy or TC?
no
~p => ~q does not equal ~p => q
Team cherry sunk cost, realizing they shoulda kept it a dlc
The only question is when is that
I think all TC can do know is just keep their head down and hope that the game is not too far from completion
same over here
idk what allat means, i just know for vacuously true stuff, you can go either way
I mean it could be that after all this silence there is suddenly release date and lots of content and gameplay revealed
But in the meantime it's just "trust me bro"
ok fair
it's your sentiment that it is too late now
that's what I think is going to happen
just nothing...... and then boom release date and stuff
?
elaborate please
I think the communication could be better but I think it's too late now
in what sense communication now would be too late?
Maybe in terms of just saying 'we're working on it' to make people satisfied , when this far in with barely any news people would want a more detailed update
Not that those comments come from team cherry, more like Graig or leth on discord or twitter where most people don't see em
Or a Reddit comment who knows
very credible
It's been over a year since the last actual concrete piece of news from TC
If they were to post something like "hey guys we're still working on the game here are some screenshots blah blah bla" you get the idea" without any sort of hint of a release date, sure some people would be happy but others would find it pointless.
The people who complain about no news would get pissed that it's not a release date
the people who are fine with the wait, like the ones in this server would find it pointless, confirming something we already know and showing off new screenshots would just be spoiling something we could experience for ourselves
Now how does that tie into it being "too late?"
Well you see, if TC gave a small update every few months or so every year since the game was announced, there'd be less pushback because it's expected, People wouldn't be angry about no release date announcement because they'd know we won't have to wait long for the next piece of news from them
whereas now, after over a year of silence I feel like it would be met with something like "It's been a year and this is all you have to say?"
Does anything I just said make sense, or am I just rambling?
erm when i post misinformation online?
He only playtests for them time to time now cause he's making a game
something like that
He used to be lead tester though!
But still boils down to were just working on it, not that he can say much
Roc odyssey btww
no even his streams suck
it makes sense since i do agree with a lot of it. i would still call it sunk cost because it's still speculation about how fans would react rather than whether updates will be worthwhile and quality enough to post from TC's pov. caring about these reactions is just an easy slope into never speaking again just because they haven't spoken in a while. of course if the game is imminent, then maybe it's not worth it. but if there were 2-3 more years left, they should be able to say anything
oop my eyes glossed over "mainly"
oh right his chat sucks
I see your point
It does ultimately come down to Team Cherry's personal opinion and choice which we can't know but I get what you mean
as for your last point I agree but TC themselves might not know how much longer the game will take
yup true
Maybe you're right and they are being silent because of an iminent release
I certainly hope so
I'm getting tired man... I want this game
dangerous levels of copium
yes you want it 
We all do
I don't
and when it comes out I'll wish you well on journey to find the next server to turn into an offtopic chat
Good
Wow
Hello ss discussion
hello ss
Good bye ss disc

where did ss discussion go
It's in your heart, brave warrior
thats what drives me forward
I just had the greates idea ever
Very cool new pfp Sarah, refined suit
explosive slices of bread?
No but thats close
Yeah its so swag!!, Moss made it!
me throwing all the teleported bread at my enemy
Oh neat!!
bread with tumors
Free bread
Its me on my off days of course, as other times i wear my assasin garb
Gentlemen synchronise your death watches
actually i should throw my enemy into the big bread with tumors
of course, of course. If I were to see you in your regular uniform it would be the last thing I saw
The bread has tumors... what has the world come to..
this is a bucket
teleporting bread..
Adds flavour
Real and true
Sarah you can also be included in this btw
I appreciate the sentiment
we have 72 hours to live
Thats more then enough time
Well that would be a shame
I remember seeing a watch on the sky mall magazine that looked like it would get me frisked at the airport
Those are sediments
It would be a shale
I appreciate them too
Sarah got the joke :3
I’m so smart and funny
And can spell
Sarah has good taste for comedy
damn
damn
?
Oh this one uses those little tubes
They didnt tho
LIERS
maybe they DONT want it released
It’s just a black background
Fair enough
Lmao
100% legit, genuine, bonafide monafide Silksong playtester
Would wearing a watch like this be too much
I'm 100% OSHA approved playtester
You could pull it off but maybe add some other steampunk accessories for balance
that makes sense
Actually is that steampunk.?
Owned
I think so
Bonafide sonafide bonaside all the fides
its no fair portugese people get to play it early
Nixie tubes are kind of in that sphere of technology that look cool but are also outdated
One star
the future from the past
like tesla coils
anyways how tf do i beat the final boss in er dlc
together with tesla coils and hot air balloons
You dont
omg
woooow
yeh
Nixie tubes are cool as hell tho
its true
I know
it would be an interesting conversation piece if you knew a bit about them as well
if you wanted to cosplay a steampunky guy at a convention itd probably be cool
you could recommend it to your fellow steampunks
Imagine if a bird just said screw this guy in particular and flew into the balloon
GAH SPOILERS
That would suck
Bro that's a massive spoiler
Only like 1000
I have yet to play the dlc
Its not a lot for an expensive watch
It's just rare to see genuine steampunk cosplayers because you have to also implement a steam engine into your outfit, otherwise you're not allowed into Steampunk-con and only into Victorian-con 😔 gatekeeping...
but it is a lot for a novelty
700 and free shipping is kinda good tho
I wish it was more newcomer friendly....😔
I only have my small coal burning engine
What were they used for anyway
No this is from the main game I haven’t started dlc yet
I’ve only got waterwheels :(
I have one of those little coils on my shelf
I won it at an arcade when I was like 14
it cost like 2 million tickets or something
because of the anti coil foundation
famously helmed by Anti Coil magnate John Boil
magnet*
raddd
Oh yeah there are videos of people using them as an instrument, i bet that's fun
use a giant hamster wheel instead
imagine this vegeta coming to life like toy story and having to get off his electric pike
Inside every transformer is about 30 hamster wheels
the electricity industry makes power plants and electrical towers as a front
actually they're just hamster breeding facilities
First of all... i am Vegeta.
Why do you think they're using hamsters
most effecient animal to spin the wheel
Second of all. You can't be vegeta
What's the difference?
its an op item what are you talking about
hmmm i see..
Shame
I WASMFIGHTING ABSRAD
what glitch
AND THE VOID JUST ATE US UP
oh
IT WAS PHASE 2
its fine
AND THE VOID WAS CONSUMING YS AND RADIANCE WAS STILL KILLING ME
AAAAA
I WAS DOING GOOD
Would
that is metal not wood
Thats a fish I believe
oh yeah smart guy?
Its just a guess I dont actually know
i don't either 
They should start calling High Fantasy stories Peak Fantasy to appeal to the youth
And replace all mentions of elf with rizzler
dwarves are now skibidi midgets

I'm just getting bodied anywhere I go in Elden Ring, and it's just the start basically
love it
Good job👍
at least I have a +5 weapon now
these damn deer in farm arrays are gonna ruin my run
They have been known to be a nuisance
There is a deerless route in Downpour but im not sure if its faster
im doing saint
good luck chaos 
yes, yes they will
heya everyone
Yo hi gwnj
hey gwnj
regular 
luffy 
Gwnj have you seen this https://youtu.be/hMmBSCQs1H4?si=onorljYgOixz7Cb3
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Really glad to finally see a trailer for it
it's not available for me 😭
FUCK

TRAGIC
PEAR
I watched half of frieren and forgot to finish it
PEAR SPOTTED
Helloooo
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How about this way
yes
Good good
THE SONG AND THE ART
YEAH
IT"S SO GOOD
The music is from the dark souls composer
NO WAY :0
Yeyeye
curse of ra warning at the start
True
too real...
will frieren ever come back...
Follow your heart
not now
the manga has gone an a hiatus
last time it went for a hiatus it lasted for 6 months
fucking hate those things in dark souls
Erm they have a name
not my fault i smell chests and sprint at them
I disagree
If you get tricked by a mimic yoj are legaly a fool
theres a certain chest in the elden ring dlc
that i fucking screamed at when i realized what it was
Ssssh
literally frieren
No spoilers
elden ring,,,
spoilers: There is an elden that has a ring
Banned
spoilers:
shut up im going to kill you
i am in the game elden ring
brb gonna kill andy a million times


