#sk-discussion
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Lemme ask my sources
Apparently, not yet
team cherry is in australia
Australia isn't real
team cherry isn't real
silksong isn't real
give me silksong
Take a chill pill Phil
Use proper Capitalization or improper capitalization
Not both inconsistently

No
hold it
Bra zil
hi krob
hi tpoy
do you think silksong shoudl have incredibly accurate anatomy damage tracking
atleast there is an active chat
like dwrf fortress
no that sounds disgusting
im fine with the white slash
where you can hit someone say, in chest with a sword and it will track everything down from tissue, fat, muscle, sinew, nerve etc damage
ofc not visually
but think about it this way, it will just pop up a "MUSCLE TISSUE - DAMAGE" and reduces the enemy's attack speed by 8%
i mean nobody cares about anatomy in games
thats what gamers THINK they dont need
I do :)
i tho- i thought people played games to escape reality
and studying
and all of that fucking shit
hey we joke but unironically sometimes micromanagement aspects like these are a big draw to a lot of games
Some of the best fiction have basis in reality
hell sometimes i love needing to deal with logistics
down from ammo type on each individual unit
its still "fiction"
anyways
i hope silksong releases before gta 6
because everybody will ignore anything and just play the game
(which tbh is kinda lame considering the gta series has nothing original)
i'd love a big ass metroidvania when the main character uses a needle to attack and an occasional spaghetti attack
that sounds way cooler than
rob bank
steal car
rob money
commit genocide
i think the fandom overlap is like, anything less of a 1/14th of a slice
if anything the only thing GTA will overtake is online relevancy but HK will always have its own popularity sphere
i know the gta community is huge but like, silksong is way cooler
no
silksong cool
Skong
also i dont know why people be hyped up for gta 6
best case scenario its a higher graphics gta 5
with a couple more gun shops
and a more racist main character
I'm not hyped bc
No ps5
And my pc ain't running allat
i mean
you can argue the same for Silksong for these people
"it just looks like a cartoonish 2d platformer why are people so hyped about it"
different tastes and perspectives
true i guess
But skong looks way cooler than the first hk
to a hollow knight fan's perspective yes
but these people probably dont know what hollow knight is
Yeah and you were saying that why are people hyped about gta6
If it's just gta with better graphic
Not visual wise i mean
Gameplay wise
and its the same reason why people still buy the Far Cry games despite the online community saying its the same thing:
simply put the average player will buy the game and play it casually, theyre not gonna go to 2 hour essays about complaning about the lack of innovation or wtv
theyll buy the game because its a nice game to play after a 9 hour long working hour and turn your brain off to shooting stuff
silksong is way better than hk not only in graphics
also tbf Silksong is visually way better than HK
like theres just so much extra detail
Yuh uh
Yeah it's better than hk in both gameplay and visual
we comparing grass now 😭
weve compared them way before
because weve been cross comparing screenshots a few years back then
and saw graphical differences from the Silksong trailer vs the Xbox screenshots
also the bg as well on the 2 images
HK uses a lot of dark black spaces to hide rushed artworked (to quote TC)
you'll probably die before the game releases
whereas so far most of the Silksong screenshots dont use that much black empty spacing
No
I will keep living until skong is out
I will do anything
why is there so much black in original hk (also im not racist please dont ban me)
I will sacrifice my family to keep living to see skong
you'll probably not have the energy to be able to play it
metroidvanias need brain power
because you have to figure out where to go next
I don't care
like i said, they used a lot of dark bgs in the original game to 1. hide rushed bg artwork 2. allows them to work faster by reusing assets
As long as i live to see skong, my life's purpose is complete
conplete
NOO
Conplete
Who's we
That’s an interesting difference in theme
The game really has a lot of personality, in lots of aspects
yeah graphically silksong has a lot more detailed environments
its easy to forget that the first game was rushed by their own words and they explained how stuff like level art could done quickly by cutting corners to say with the afformentioned use of empty black BG spaces
Silksong is just way more lush in comparison
those leaves has way better shading than what youd see in Hollow Knight
in comparison to Greenpath
dude looks kinda simple
yeah but i guess its harder to do shading on moving characters
though
Seth kinda has some level of shading to him
though its probably just encoding artifacts?
like you can see the cloth below his neck has darker undertones as shadows
Guys was there anything at nintendo direct?
from what im getting the larger enemies tends to have some decent shading, then again that was on Edge vs 2022 footage
and its probably easier to not notice flatter colors on smaller enemies
nope they just said hi and didn’t showcase a single game
🥶🥶
We had gameplay of metroid 4 and a year (2025)
yep, new screenshots, new gameplay, new game announced
but it all wasnt about silksong, but anyway we had something
Why does that bug have a Falconeer’s Mask on
Is he being controlled by someone
probably
Ngl iirc that’s a fan/fake character
its a Moorwing apparently
its probably a massive evolved dust roach that was tamed
its not a fake character
its literally from Edge
i cant believe i started all of them with "its"
it's not fake
although i know how you could confuse it cause the fan ocs look like that
So I was just here thinking it was one of aluo’s or sumn’s devious tricks when it was real-ass official-ass stuff??
Pasta fazool,,, I am a fool,,,
random question. Which bug do you want to see in silksong? I want a dragonfly.
All of them
Jokes aside it would be neat to see some bugs that may be more niche relative to what bug characters might be popular elsewhere
But really, bug is bug
How old is this
came out end of december 2020 i believe
it's over, people are comparing leaf shading
I can't wait for Silksong 
It will
It releases this year or next year like
WAKE UP, BY THE POWER OF GORB
But you know what is funny? This. You may now sustain severe damage to your diaphragm and general internal bleeding due to the pure comedy contained in this image.
Small
if silksong _ _ I will silksong
i will silksong so hard
Good thing they won't shadow drop it then
On that note however- 358 days until the end of newsless year 4
never forget
I'm fine with it- I just wish we heard anything in the last 2 years
you will never hear anything again 
If we don't hear anything this month then silksong is fucking gone
Eh it's probably just a victim of scope creep. They have no deadline, no one's forcing them to release the game, so they probably keep adding things, making the scope bigger each time
Not true but alright dood
been hearing people say this since 2020
Just as stupid then as it is now
that bug with 8 weel on his head, like mahoraga one
yay france
anywhere except paris
YALL WHAY THE FUCK
I PUT A SUCTION TOY ON MY HEAD AND THIS MARK IS THERE
I HAVE FUCKING CLASS

disguise it with red powder or something
Oh don’t worry
You will find some meaningless piece of news to be satiated by
Like simo opening mod apps or something
Hello
Hi
How are you? In terms of cope and hope
I'm doing alright honestly - thinking abt how good this game will be when it releasee
I'm not salty abt it not being at showcases lol, the silkcope is all fun for me
I hope the same
Yea! Believe
Silksong will release tomorrow
definitely!

My last thread of cope is the Pipsqueak comment - if they have the time to do something like that they have to be wrapping up Dev time 🤡
True team cherry works 24/7 and has no free time
Sleeping is time not spent silking
Obviously not 24/7 work - I understand they have their own lives and that, I just also find it weird that they've been basically silent bar the occasional real life interaction and now they just randomly appear to support a fellow indie Dev (which is based btw, I'm not hating them for that)
Something strange is that they said Silksong was releasing last year... But nothing happened

they work mon-fri, never changed
At least they said stuff abt the delay imagine if they hadn't 💀 we'd all have lost our minds lmao
The only thing team cherrys done that actually annoyed me was wait so long to announce the delay
Any songers in chat
But also some of us have already lost their minds, they are completely crazy
There are so many clowns in the Internet (I'm at my limit)
Don't worry guys
We still believe
it will come out tommorow
August 24th 2024 trust me bro /silly
We will see, I hope so
Tomorrow will be the day Ari Gabson descends from the heaven and present to us the release date
Hmm


I mean to be fair we are clowns
Tomorrow the day eat hamburger
They've been showing us as clowns this whole damn month bro wdym 😭
The Nintendo Direct was so good 
Metroid was there
Mario and Luigi
It was !! I really wanna get mario and luigi
Me too
But I'm waiting for new console because it will obvs be cross gen
i may buy a switch for m&l
Donky Kong
That direct made me wish i had a switch
Probably best to wait until switch 2 assuming it’s backwards compatible I think it’s supposed to release early 2025
I'm not buying any more first party Nintendo games until switch 2 drop
I loved dkcr on my Wii
I'll wait for the Wii U to drop
Dk troplical freeze is the goat
Switch was actually my first Nintendo console lol, I live in a no Nintendo household
oh man
Before and after IPS screen mod
@brittle dirge
If you answer no you get banned from discord btw
Nah it’s a joke
yeah i got worried cause ik the wii is technically retro gaming
R u this old?
Ps4 image*
fair enough
but like i know there are people that do not know what a DS is
so it's not impossible that some people would make this kind of meme unironically 😭
i may be stupid
The Wii is 18
I am stupid
We all believe in silksong here, we're all stupid
We? whos we?
me and my cat
who in their right mind would want to mod this place
I believe in silksong but i don't believe it will come out this year
I think silksong will come out when i get a 2nd hollow knight tattoo
Just waiting for the announcement at TGA
Hope it happens
i think TC will drop news themselves tbh
Yeah that too
that is what they said
I thin leth already confirmed that
yea
But what If GTA VI releases at the same time as Silksong?
so i dont think it'll be at TGA or ND
Not sure who would want to moderate silksong discussion, I’ll admit
The thing about tc droppinn the news themselves is that we don't have any expectations about it
It could happen anytime
bruh
so you're saying it could be tomorrow
But there are other stuff than silksong discussion
Ss disc has enough mods as it is we need some for other channels
so you're saying it will be tomorrow
No it'll definitely drop this year.
If it doesn't I'll give you 10 schmackaroons
i meant the server in general because people seem to perceive mods not as just normal chatters
Just admit people need to start pressing team cherry
It could be tomorrow
It could be in december
It could be yesterday
well, what videogame presentation is going next?
i'd rather wait for them to be a great video game than a rushed one that lacks in some aspects
No, and its aleeady happening on reddit
10 smackaroons sounds good
Then stop spaming silksong in every game event
I couldn’t agree more
Yeah
why should i?
we aren't doing that lmao that's a vocal minority
5 years is a rushed one to you...?
Most of the people here don’t do that that’s r/silksong
yes
Vocal minority my ass. Silksong is TT everytime a game event is close
i do that for fun, and cheering, not because i want teamcherry to put their product as fast as possible
Doesn’t matter how long it is can still be rushed look at cyberpunk
Valid
AAA games are always garbage
rdr2?
That’s not true at all
If a game is not finished and releases early due to fan pressure, it's rushed. that's quite literally the definition of the word rushed
elder ring? (i hate it but anyway its good) GoW?
A lot of my favorite games are triple A and lot of my favorite games are indies
Peppino spaghetti from hit game pizza tower was confirmed by an anonymous data leaker to be a boss in silksong
You just need to play the good ones
it won't be rushed anyway because team cherry don't care about whatever fans say let's be honest
Is Baldur's Gate AAA /genq ?
Yes
tick tock ⏲️ 💚 🧡
okay okay there are a few exceptions
aaas in general are way better than indies you just only see the best indies
I think they care, but I also think that they are artists that care about what they create
You wouldn't ask a painter to hurry up and finish his painting early
nobody hears about indie flops they just die quietly
whereas we talk a lot about aaa flops
yeah
this one?
Well this is just untrue lol
good take 
It doesn't matter if it's for fun. You end up bringing those weirdos and annoying everybody else in the long term
well thats becasue indies are easier to make, and a lot of bad creators start making their products, copying other talented ones
aaas also have bigger marketing campaigns
If an indie that was backed by thousands of people flops, people are gonna talk about it
indies depend on being good to get the word of mouth (not that that isn't also a gamble)
This is also not true
have you heard of Thermochromism Fork
crowsworn
It really depends
indies are easier to make??
When a big game is bad everyone hears about it when a game no one’s ever heard of is bad no one’s gonna hear of it
yea that's a small portion of them i think
HK's kickstarter was actually pretty small
1+ million dollars or something?
It's a lot more common after Undertale
People are a lot more willing to be risky with indies
That's fair yea
no???
Indie popularity rose a LOT with UT, HK and Celeste
Not nearly as big as AAA marketing
and of course it's true AAAs have bigger marketing campaigns what
The Kickstarter was fucking huge, dunno what to tell you
Not really
it has 2000 backers
wasn't it like 80k$ ? It's not really huge compared to what we see today
Didn’t meet all its goals even
i think undertale was easier to make than even like fifa 2023, but here is catch: indie games have the idea, and try to put it as cheap as possible, to save money
yeah it earned like 60k AU
though celeste doesnt seem to be as popular as the other two
when AAA games are huge but plain, because taking risks isnt cool for investing
indie games are different to make I wouldn't necessarily say easier
crowsworn was huge, it has 10 times the backers that hollow knight had
It still is a part of the bigger indie games but yeah you got a point
This
Yeah
It’s more you don’t need to be a big company to make an indie game
and you also don't have the resources of a big company
I don't think something with the technical complexity of like Celeste was particularly easy to make
indie devs have different problems to aaas
Ik my point is that more people that don’t know what they’re doing can do it
Like you can still have complex indies, team size only really effects time for the more dedicated teams ngl
I think we are talking about all indie games, not only good ones
i mean easier in the sense that you have a smaller scope and don't need millions of dollars of budget
This varies
but it's harder in the sense that the team is more constrained by budget and experience
of course, but on average
It depends on the scope of your project and what you do with that
imagine doing like vampire survivors clone, is it easier than making even shittiest open-world AAA game?
it's harder to make a good game
i think yes
of course
celeste my beloathed
Of course but that's just true in general
Effort obviously is gonna be required whether or not you're an indie or a triple A
to make good game you dont need a lot of money, you need sum like this - idea, 2$ and tomato juice
yeah but the reality is that the average AAA is better than the average Indie, even if more and more very good indies are coming out
yep
I disagree, I just think triple A gets more pedigree
just because there is a tidal wave of bad indies that nobody plays and that die in obscurity
people misses BAD indies, and i mean trash-bad
endless shovelware
You also have to think about quantity vs quality
How many actual triple A releases do you see a year vs indies?
yes, but my statement was about the average, and remains correct
you need to spend a lot of time working on it which means you either keep it on the backburner and spend 7 years making it or work full time on it which means getting resources for spending that time on it without anything in return is hard
If we compare on a completely equal data set, I think you'd find it's actually kinda even
like just google vampire survivors clones, all that hollow knight clones, hades clones, ALLL this stuff you miss
Only 3 games are allowed to release in a given year
This is known
The more a triple A studio goes on the more they adopt that cash grab mindset some early indie devs may have
still easier than to make avg AAA game with same conditions
Simply just play the cool indies
the cash grab mindset is a simple reality of publicly traded companies needing to generate shareholder profit
Then you’ll at least save money
Meanwhile if an indie adopts this mindset even after being established they're more likely to go bankrupt so it usually works in reverse
now i'm not saying it's a good thing
I mean the difference in conditions is integral to the definition of aaa vs indie
It still has an effect on quality control and that's important
and this is point im trying to sell
sure, but also AAAs cater to a much much much more casual audience
who don't care about quality nearly as much
idk about more casual but definitely a broader one
depends on what you mean by casual ig
This does not apply to a lot of triple A's ngl
really?
Something like the Souls series for example is never gonna compromise on difficulty
Again, it varies
souls isn't exactly tripleA
It is now
and i will type silksong every indie world, every nintendo something, every eggsbox presentation
I would argue it has been since Bloodborne
fromsoft is also an outlier
Let's talk about Santa Monica then
you can't cherrypick ONE example and say that MOST companies work that way
yeah elden ring for example is way easier in terms of how easily you can get op and also you have summons and stuff
GoW also won't compromise much in the way of difficulty
Ngl souls especially DS1 were not that difficult yes there were some nasty sections and traps but I feel like it’s just a game that isn’t afraid to kill the player and isn’t afraid of players having to learn over multiple attempts
arch wasn't talking about difficulty
They said a lot not most tbf
I can name more if you wanna hyperfixate lmfao
yeah i wasn't talking about difficulty
ds1 >>>> elder ring
Yes and no
You said "targetted at casual audiences" well difficulty is a big factor in the casual experience
arch was talking about broad audience appeal
🐓
If something has a skill requirement, it is less casual by design
you can do that with a difficult game especially if you can effectively advertise it as that
Monster Hunter as well will not compromise on this
casual means the way people approach playing games
Usually referring to games you can just pick up and play whenever and not really think about
bosses are suck, but mapping, locations design is peak
If you nail down the rhythm, the mechanics of the fight and don't take unnecessary risks, most battles in soulslike games go from "God dammit this is hard" to "oh, maybe not THAT hard"
most people who play games only play a couple games a year and don't care about "the gaming community" "the market" or indie games, most of them don't even know any indie games except the ones that are marketed at the front store page
no
Usually yes
nuh uh
a casual gamer is a person who is not highly invested in games
i like how game just humiliates player with unfair stuff, like "oh bro you took this weapon to this small pipe-like room? sorry you cant hit anymore bye"
applying the word casual to game difficulty is slang
Souls like games have a reputation of being difficult when in reality it's just a fast pace algorithm. Dodge here, Dodge there, study the movements, dodge again, counter and base all attacks on their movements
Yeah so again, they're not gonna be motivated to play something that takes time to learn
yeah
and you can just change your weapon, because some of them are better at +0 than your +3 stick
in elder ring there is no situations like that, and this suck
Which makes it a non-casual experience
that's beside the point
Not really
shut the fuck up holy shit
i feel like im playing just plain version of ds
people casually play things like cod which take constant skill maintenance to not fall behind
it's irrelevant to the point i was making
Bro getting heated over a basic conversation smh
because you're being insufferable
I'm stating points my guy
it almost seems like you're misunderstanding the argument on purpose
default eldest ring fan tbh
i don't look a minecraft dirt block, but he is singing world cup
Not really, you're just kinda focusing on one aspect of a discussion you tried to start in the first place
anyway, i was saying that the average person who plays games does not care about indie games
you misunderstood their point
they corrected you
you ignored the correction
regional indicator y
Which is subjective and hard to prove but k
it's statistics...?
What stats? Just marketing visibility?
That's a really shallow way of figuring out how people find out about games
the comparative sales demonstrate that aaas have a larger audience
sales
dirtblyockmyyice
that's not even close to in question
Everyone has played at least one indie Game in their lives
Unless they only play FIFA or smth
That doesn't mean a whole lot for established franchises of course that data will be biased
i don't look a minecraft dirt block, but he is singing world cup
Dont spam
WORLD CAULK
there are some breakout indie hits, stardew valley for instance
hades 2 suck
most people play mostly AAA games, and only breakout indie hits
true its so expensive
stardew valley menitoned!! i loove starudwe valeyu
even hardcore indie fans don't play most indies
people who actually seek out indie games to play are a minority, people who talk online about games are a minority
What is a sane npc???! 🗣️
what
what what

not only a minority, the most oppressed one
gamers...
most people who play games also only play mobile games but eh....
Gadayum an actual interesting debate about games. What a fun watch
Does anyone
true
i think that statistic is shifting downwards
that's true but kind of outside the scope of the conversation isn't it
no, and they shouldn't since most of them are bad
It's an ironic meme
Because stardew valley npcs are not sane
yeah i suppose
Okay here's a point I'll say yes to
There are too many indies for one to possibly play even a fraction of all of them
More big indies getting mobile ports
it's a big market
why dream pfp
this reminds me of a quote but I can't remember it so oh well
Yep
Mobile ports are ugly most of the time
This, your stats are skewed by numbers and that's why I can't fully agree
it's just to illustrate the point that most people don't care about indie games and don't really look into them, and just play the games that are on front store pages or that are advertised online, and those are overwhelmingly tripleA's
consoles and gaming pcs are luxuries, everyone has a phone
what are you talking about?
Why head shakin
so yes, to come back to the original point, AAAs have bigger outreach and more marketing
Hm
that's drea
and if most people did care about indies the big aaa studios would be putting out a lot of smaller games like that, they'd be comparatively cheap to produce
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Drea
If we are measuring with a data set as broad as just anyone who has even sneezed on a game, sure but also
The mobile gamers don't usually wanna spend any money at all on games
me when i think about caseoh?
Unless they're whales
Metal heads when the floor is magnetic
Mobile gaming has a really high market cap
it's not really that simple, AAA publishers are forced to create bigger and bigger games with more budget and more outreach in order to generate shareholder profits
because they sell better than indies
are you gonna gatekeep gaming now?
You'll find actually that the number of people spending vs the amount spend is a lot bigger in difference
babies when their neck muscles isnt developed yet and they cant hold their big head for like 10 seconds even
the bigger budget is the path to the larger audience, if it wasn't then they wouldn't do it
it's more that a smaller game is naturally more limited in scope and outreach
You just have a smaller number of really big spenders there usually
yeah
It makes sense
it's sturgeons law I was thinking of
Fish law
I need to roll my anime waifu
??? How am I gatekeeping I'm stating a statistic like you are
Mobile games have such big an appeal because there is 0 bar for entry
it'a not people who barely sneeze at a game
maybe this was unclear
if the kind of scopes that indies possess were a path to a huge audience to the same extent that the big budget huge projects are, aaas would be more incentivized to make projects with smaller scopes than the blockbusters
And that is because a lot of them are free
that's also just something you said
Thanks for the reminder
I'm sorry I used an expression to discuss people who buy games but don't really play them....?
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Or pick up a game and drop it almost immediately?
holy skibidi this works
i'm not talking about people who buy games and don't really play them
this happens with indie games too, pretty much
We have moved the goalpost so much you just have a grey blob now
probably more people buy and don't play indies than aaas
lower barrier to entry
less commitment
what, because the games are cheaper
yeah
Counter point: You buy something and it doesn't meet your expectation of what you thought you were buying
So you drop it
This happens with anything, not just indies
???
fair to say that a lot of people drop AAA half-through since they tend to be really big lately. Most indies are less the 20 hrs
You've decided we're now not just talking about anyone who has bought the game, cool but the data you're citing does not reflect that
we're still talking about this
potentially but that's still playing a good chunk of it
Monetarily sure
But in terms of....actual marketing no I still stand by this you can get indies that are talked about a lot which end of the day is the point of marketing
you can get indies that are talked about a lot.... But that does not mean aaas don't have bigger marketing campaigns
Is it easier for a triple A to buy like basic ad space sure, but honestly you know how many people use ad blocker?
People do not care about those kinds of ads
it is true
googling it gives a 37% figure
People DO care about these kind of ads
Its probably not that many in reality
Especially people who aren't chronically online and find out about games that way
By being annoyed maybe or like trailers for things that have a following
I feel like you're projecting your own experience onto everyone
Not really fam
and assuming that everyone feels like you do on the topic
sgf in 2023 had more views than the fucking super bowl and that's literally an ad show catering to aaa titles primarily
Really?
You know Nintendo right?
How do you think kids find out about their games?
Reiterating earlier statement about stuff with followings
I guess that makes sense
Yes really fam
you can say "not really" all you want but it's showing in what you say
AAAs have bitter marketing campaigns because they have millions of dollars to spend. Companies have sales goals to meet. It's not exactly rocket science, but if you frequent certain communities you'll see ads for the indie games you may be interested in based on topic alone. This may seem like bigger marketing campaigns
Again, no?
Something with a big following will garner attention, it's not because people want ads
Your previous 3 points have just been "Nuh uh"
It's because people want news on a project they have investment in
the point of ads isn't that people want them
Someone isn't reading before typing....
The point of ads is to draw in people that may be interested in the sale
.
Well then SGF doesn't fall into your data set lmao
this is a minority of people, mostly online.
.
So, yeah the bulk of ads people don't give a shit about
If we're ignoring those instances now
Banner ads alone rarely win people over
i'm not ignoring those instances, i'm saying that your view on what is most common is not reflected in reality, thus leading me to say you're projecting
You're ignoring all the people that ads actually catch
I remember when I was a kid, there was basically no internet. Waiting for the next Pokemon games consisted of schoolyard rumors passed around by kids who knew fuck all
You're ignoring the reason games get big to begin with which is usually word of mouth and reactions
Or by ads that played in-between cartoons
This is not the 90's, communication doesn't require you to dile up internet anymore
Yes exactly
The experience I described was back in 2018
Damn, rip
Believe it or not, most children aren't as online as all of us are
statements like
"Ads rarely win people over"
"People only find ads annoying/don't care about ads"
"People run adblock"
really indicate you're assuming things that are true for you are also true for the majority of people
No but they're still talking
And getting each other excited about things that their friends are playing
Which has an influence
Skylanders wasn't really a triple A back in my day
It was just a game with cool toys
Where did I mention Skylanders???
I'm giving an example, kids don't really care about something's rep
That's not giving an example, that's putting words that I didn't say in my mouth
They just care if it's cool to play or people they know are playing it
they don't KNOW about the EXISTENCE of indie games except the VERY MOST POPULAR OUTLIERS
?
How-
is that so hard to grasp
For your information, the instance I was talking about was with Kirby
I wasn't talking to you fam
Ah mb
Still like
That's undeniably triple A
And kids discover it through ads
Yeah but they find out about the game through ads before they tell it to their friends
i am in a game design university course and most people there have never even heard of hollow knight, just to illustrate the point
it's already a group of people who play a lot of games
There's people that don't know about big triple A's too ngl
that's actually a bit surprising 
I think the point to be made is that fandoms are just centralized echo chambers. Indie games are discovered by the masses through events like state of plays or Nintendo directs. From there they can build their marketing, but without the boost most suffer and lose very important sales
Especially ones that are one offs or haven't been around long
it's reality, online spaces like this one are tiny bubbles
^
indie games get discovered by word of mouth
when you only stick around in online spaces dedicated to indie games, you're gonna think they're a lot more popular and known than they are in reality
Yeah exactly
That's again true of Triple A's too a lot, people remember the franchise more than the games
Hi
It's true of anything with a fandom
Like ask people about Horizon, most people won't know anything about it
people don't need to be part of any dedicated community or fandom to know about tripleAs
that's worded badly
To know they exist or to know about the game specifically?
Before I ever played Horizon I still saw ads for it everywhere before release
are we still talking about AAAs ?
AAAs have more outreach to people who aren't specifically interested in gaming
is what i meant
Yet it's still not really that big
Yeah basically I think
either of those works
better than not knowing both
Those are too different things
When skong . . .
yes but if you know a game exists, marketing has worked
Basically what we're saying is
Leth is doing a terrible job
marketing the game so relatively nobody knows about silksong
Skong will come out. Just thank God it isn't Haunted Chocolatier
If we get Haunted Chocolatier news before Skong, it's in trouble lol
isn't that the next game from stardew creator
Yes, yes it is
eyyy i remembered correctly
Feels like I've been waiting an eternity for it
i don't really care about it tho
stardew? Is that that Bethesda game everyones talking about
Like for the second you look at it? Because no I don't think that's the point
That is Starfield
That would be a waste of money otherwise
Mfw Strawman argument
The point of marketing is to get people to invest, not just know something exists
You're wasting money if there's no sales
it's almost like there's no good way to argue that indies have marketing campaigns on par with aaas
Oh man
Repeat [statement] but adding [context that did not exist] to reframe the argument in my favor
anyway i'm done here bye
Marketing this marketing that. Sounds worse than one of those perfume commercials with that guy from Dune
Chalamet
TC should advertise their own crytpo
Timothy Chalamet?
Yeah that's the guy
I forget his first name
isn't it timothee
mods have access to silksong devbuild?
no
Yes
@cerulean sable has it on somehow
it's a thing you can do with discord, you can rename apps
i like how you pinged him too so he can come troll you as well
Yeah Timothy (obviously stuck up) Chalamet
you can make that say anything you want
He gives of nepobaby energy
happy Juneteenth to my fellow usamericans
it’s been a bit yeah
im just looking for hope
It's Juneteenth?
hope will find you
Damn
the only access i have is this ratio that im about to give ya
hey dude i listened to gojira again i’m gonna have to get more of their albums
How's playtesting going ttacco
Ratio? Are you about to give him a slice of cake?
so anyway i appear
yes i like FLYING WHALESSSSSSSSSSSSSS so much 😭
i’ve also been listening to I Am the Intimidator over and over
just a really fun short concept album
currently going through the refights
that’s great
this sounds like a song to kill fallen cyborg angels to
Seriously tacco? Why are you taking so long
No damage, right?
You know team cherry gave us deadlines you cant be so far behind at this point
the album is a fantasy retelling of racecar driver Dale Earnhardt’s last race where he died in a crash
no crests (or wanderer's only or whatever) sounds like a boring challenge ngl
Ttacco needs to hurry up or he'll get fired
tbf in actual game context i doubt itll be considered a challenge
its like, "CAN YOU BEAT DARKSOULS ONLY USING LONGSWORDS" type of shtick
what are you guys playtesting
Ask taco
Sounds like no charms
https://youtu.be/Qskl-6UlKcM?t=54 we are playtesting GHCP
More panic and furry...
I think you mixed up some letters
Did you guys figure out the cause of the unskippable 10 minutes long cutscene of Hornet and Lace kissing yet
my game
Not yet
cool
the only thing im mixing up is im fucking using HEAT instead of AP
Nobody tell TC but it was me I added it to the build
Me when I fucking get Jack
Who
welcome to the server
Embed fail

🫵
pls do not be mean to new knights
Yooooo aloha gwnj
Always be mean to new knights...
luffy 

Very cool to see you gwnj
Also hi gwnj 
same :D
cheese 
Hiiii
pixx :D
Why does ornet look like tgat
hornt
@somber girder
hi gwnj!
patoo 

that’s where the magic happens
Finally good PS5 Exclusives
You don’t know me but something will happen in 3 days regarding Silksong
ok
joker :D
On a Saturday?
what's it about
good luck patoo
as in homosexual
area and volume of the cone
None of my sources have said anything about silksong so I doubt
welcome to the server
damn i forgot what that is
Hello! Thank you!
thanks gwnj :)
KAANG JUMPSCARE
Don't worry. I am sure we will at least get big news this year
If not a release for the holidays
this isn't how this works
Silksong rule 1. We never get news
I have a strong feeling we are looking at early '25 thought admittedly I am hopeful for October
Eventually that'll change
no
tomorrof for sure
for sure
Hmm
ss fans be like “how can I make this about me”
also agaib
Not a random meme channel
#hk-meme exists for a reason
And so do you :)
very excited for prime 4
no way
What is your first ruling
did server booster role get an update or something
Yeah
to make luffy beats mod
Im not sure
is it there for you?
pay to win, because i have 30 seconds slowmode
am i being gaslit 
maybe

why did you think about things like that
because
🤫 👅
where
where kaan gaming
unless you mean some other kaang
@sinful flare
the fuck
omg kaan
wait lmao why did you ping for that though
Funny
no because there arent any news
(we will have no slowmode in the next five years)
We rejoice comrades
hello kaan 
I think slowmodes gone in every channel
not #hk-general
5s slowmode there
omg godfriend
So I didn't check yesterday because of how hype the direct was.
i was playing tf2 and procrastinating my project even further
How's everyone doing
whats up
We stay winning
Also I should have kept the june jamboree name
Because of super mario party jamboree
and #hk-help 🤯
Any silksong updates
No
it’s got tools

Woah
indeed
found a megumi figure.,.,
im hyping myself up for silksong again oops
Fool
Its crazy how i check this channel coping ppl will be like « wow ! Skong out now ! So cool ! So cool ! So cool ! »
Clearly you haven't read the new TC Blog
wow ! Skong out now !
||fake||
but i don’t wanna sneak peak thats spoilersss
guys what should i draw MS paint hornet doing
smoking a fat blunt
got it
Chat my sister has been raging at a washing machine for the past 10 minutes
rage against the machine
what did the washing machine do to her
Not spin it seems
said that her friends are only her friends because they find her mere existence funny
it is done
i'd throw hands with that washing machine too
go off girlboss
WHAT
TC shouted me out when talking about pastries..
epic
what next?
what should i draw ms paint hornet doing next though that is the quesion (please give me something my families going to the botanical gardens and im not so i need something to do 😭)
draw Hornet at the botanical gardens
This should be an emoji in the server
Throwing car batteries into the ocean
😭
Draw hornet shawing everywhere
I GOT A KITE 

Yayyyy!
I am not Graig, I'm the real fake graig
this thing is so silly and the people at the store were very nice
hornet crying as she uses her needle to cut onions while thinking of herself in fortnite
Would Hornet be cracked at Fortnite
hornet at the botanical gardens (flower)
first one to suggest next drawing gets it drawn
hornet crying as she uses her needle to cut onions while thinking of herself in fortnite
Hornet dabbing
i dont know anything about fortnite
Damn hornet is a sweat who knew
still goes
Hornet dabbing over a dead body
what
pallets from dead by daylight?
idk i googled fortnite ramp and this was the only one that i really needed
Huh






