sk-discussion

[subtle lynx]

not true

[wheat sail]

like if hollow knights style is

Texture = 3
Color = 1
Form = 33
Line = 18
Shape = 54
Value = 1

then crosworn is
Texture = 4
Color = 4
Form = 23
Line = 10
Shape = 50
Value = 2

getting the deltas you can see they are similar styles

[manic oar]

There's good paintings everywhere you just gotta look for them

[shrewd summit]

That's a lie?

[fiery burrow]

To each their own

[shrewd summit]

that's a very weird measuring based on nothing?

[ionic arch]

I'm just saying that I personally find it a little disappointing when something is specifically designed to look like another, usually recent, thing note for note — and moreso if they play very similarly.

I mean I started this whole rant saying that I completely disagreed with people thinking that Bō and Nine Sols looked too much like Hollow Knight. I'm saying they don't to me at all

[subtle lynx]

I think it is based

[ionic arch]

sorry but that's bullshit

[manic oar]

I agree

[opaque sigil]

if you don't like genre fiction that's fine

[shrewd summit]

why is color 1 on silksong and 4 on crosworn?

[glacial wren]

look for art? like some kind of putz?

[hollow terrace]

god we need a ban on being an contrarian

[opaque sigil]

but that doesn't mean genre fiction is inherently worse

[ionic arch]

how does AI treat others?

[wheat sail]

each number is a different take on that element

[valid sable]

Kirb is thinking in 4 dimensions

[high hedge]

I think the opposite

[glacial wren]

every intelligence is artificially different

[wheat sail]

cause they have different colours

[shrewd summit]

but why those numbers?

[fiery burrow]

AIs are people too... someday. So you have to start respecting them and their works now

[shrewd summit]

no lmao

[ionic arch]

genre fiction has lots of avenues for departure and words in a vacuum are a medium between creator and reader

when you are more direct, like making a whole-ass game, I feel like you should bring some self-styling to it, y'know?

[high hedge]

We have to work on putting them down now

[wheat sail]

need to differeniate them somehow, not saying a higher value is better or more colourful. i couldve used A B C D AB AC etc

[high hedge]

So the future ai are still subservient

[valid sable]

My wife will be an AI

[opaque sigil]

that's not a point of difference between games and other mediums

[high hedge]

Like how in star wars droids are basically people but they’re still bought and sold with no rights

[manic oar]

As someone who has been in art class for years even I am confused

[wheat sail]

this is phd level stuff

[wild plinth]

I'm lost in the sauce

[subtle lynx]

they are not basically people, they are droids...

[wheat sail]

👨‍🎓

[ionic arch]

they're literally not though, that's not what modern AI is at all. it's buzzword bullshit 30x less efficient algorithms that kill the world, suck down tons of water and electricity, and do so all to make mid bullshit for venture capitalists based on stolen and mashed together art

[high hedge]

What separates them from people

[shrewd summit]

that's more the fact that writers aren't generally that good at making slavery allegories

look at harry potter

[high hedge]

C3P0 is basically a person

[glacial wren]

aasimov is rolling in his grave

[subtle lynx]

I'm not gonna discuss the difference between a fucking robot and a human

[high hedge]

He has thoughts and feelings and a sense of self

[opaque sigil]

making droids sapient then not treating them as humans is... more or less the problem

[wheat sail]

starpengu is known for joking around

[ionic arch]

books

between books it is

which is where I most often hear "genre fiction" bandied about

[wheat sail]

ai can never be a threat to humanity

[high hedge]

Because you can’t distinguish them

[opaque sigil]

it's just not different

[ionic arch]

ah. as a fellow shitposter, forgive my insolence

[opaque sigil]

books or games, both can depart from the genre norms as much or as little as they want

[wheat sail]

we have safety measures!

[subtle lynx]

sure, if that makes you happy

[shrewd summit]

a human is real, an ai is a computer thing made by humans to make computers go brrrrr (and thus not, like, real real)

[glacial wren]

ai can't kill people, people kill people

[versed pollen]

As an AI program this is very true

[opaque sigil]

have you not been paying attention

[high hedge]

If C3P0 can make his own decisions and feel the entire emotional expression he’s a person

[wheat sail]

why doesnt the bigger ai simply eat the other ai

[fiery burrow]

No need to be mean to us AIs

[hollow terrace]

honestly I see like how DUNE inspired so many other IPs but you wouldnt know until you start looking at the details

[high hedge]

Droids can also be paid for work in star wars

[shrewd summit]

but c3PO is a funny golden guy in a space movie, he's not real

[manic oar]

Can only make decisions in a certain programmed way

[hollow terrace]

and then everything repeats itself

[wheat sail]

space is real

so by deduction c3po can or will be real

[opaque sigil]

remember when they had a droid character whose comic relief role was suggesting that enslaving sapient beings was maybe not so good

[shrewd summit]

counter point: movies aren't

[high hedge]

And we’re discussing the concept within the fiction

[wheat sail]

how can we watch something that isnt real

[glacial wren]

wokeness dies the moment a hypothetical robot wants to experience compassion

[opaque sigil]

and like the ethical question of whether creating sapient things that are cognitively bound to serve is an interesting one, star wars just doesn't ever have any interest in it

[lone crown]

What

[wheat sail]

we plato in here

[valid sable]

How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real. -Jaden Smith

[shrewd summit]

real as in that existed and wasn't scripted and written and made by people who planned everything about it in advance

[high hedge]

I wonder if writers are actively banned from broaching the topic seriously

[manic oar]

Guys I think Luffy is a AI in disguise

[fiery burrow]

The beginning of star wars says "Long ago far far away" or something idk I haven't watched it for a while but that does mean it existed at some point

[high hedge]

Very possible my ai comrade

[ionic arch]

inspiration is fucking cool. let me say it loudly and clearly.

but I'm very partial to inspiration being inspiration

not "wow. I want that so bad. I'm gonna make sure I do it just like that."

like shake it up a little at least!

I get that a game is many parts but I think things should have at least a mix of flavor for intrigue, in each element.

[wheat sail]

wait till you hear that every event in history was scripted

[glacial wren]

star wars was a documentary

[ionic arch]

I'm talking shit but I'm sure someone here is gonna screenshot that and then lambaste my own game

[shrewd summit]

by who?

[subtle lynx]

maybe it is because when they were making star wars, they weren't trying to tell the story of the morality of making consious machines as with detroit become human

[high hedge]

Okay but at what point does it borrow too much

[hollow terrace]

not banned but more so corporate meddling wanting a big ip movie to have a wide range

[wheat sail]

the powers that be

[opaque sigil]

that's a very arbitrary distinction to try to make

[strange night]

Our Lord

[opaque sigil]

'inspiration is inspiration when I like it but when I don't it's lazy copying'

[manic oar]

True even if no one wants to admit it all creations take at least a little inspiration from something else even if the creator doesn't realize it

[frosty light]

guys...... does ari know about this.....

[wheat sail]

too many hippo critical people

[strange night]

Ari, more like fAri

[fiery burrow]

Artists aren't obligated to meet your (fine and justified) preferences

[high hedge]

Then they shouldn’t have droids be essentially other intelligent life

[opaque sigil]

like have your preferences for what level of originality you prefer but it's not like there's anything objective to it

[glacial wren]

what if the amish invented technology as a protracted method to garner support for their cause as global systems erode

[subtle lynx]

fictional worlds don't need to explain how EVERYTHING in their universes work

[opaque sigil]

the fact that it's not a focus doesn't make it not present in the work

or not worth talking about

[wheat sail]

are amish people allowed to get technology eventually? like when we make civilizations on different planets can they finally use the toaster

[ionic arch]

subjective! which is why I'll never change any minds about this

but I just think y'know. there's a point where the leaves and the spikes and the darkened earth leading to black and the statues and and line up a lot that lets it down.

none of it is "lazy". unless you're fucking stealing shit.

it's just too bad, in my opinion. shaking it up seems more fun for creator and player.

[shrewd summit]

The point of the amish is that they don't want that

[subtle lynx]

the dilemma of robots being conscious or not is not relevant at all with the star was plot, so talking about it would be a waste of time

[shrewd summit]

like, they can, they just chose no

[glacial wren]

we have an amish among us

[opaque sigil]

you not thinking it's interesting doesn't mean nobody else does

and it's really not much of a dilemma in star wars they very blatantly just are

[frosty light]

or theyre gonna put me in the "wait for silksong forever" simulation...

[high hedge]

There was an episode of clone wars dedicated to Anakin not wanting to replace R2

[manic oar]

As someone who hasn't watched star wars I am confused

[fiery burrow]

iirc amish sometimes use technology? They just have certain preferences about what they use

[high hedge]

Even though R2 is just a droid

[subtle lynx]

it is not me thinking it is not relevant

IT IS just not relevant have you watched the movies

[wheat sail]

the neo amish movement

[glacial wren]

they're everywhere

[opaque sigil]

did you read my message

clearly not

[shrewd summit]

Star wars has robots, those robots act exactly like people and kind of are just like people

[opaque sigil]

shit doesn't have to be plot vital for people to find it conceptually interesting

[lone crown]

This whole dilemma about conscious robots in star wars is interesting at all but I will always love “clankers” as the droid slur

[shrewd summit]

so we treat them and their decisions in star wars like they were decisions made by people and not robots and ais

[hollow terrace]

guy inventing how we got marvel fatigue

[opaque sigil]

but also like the one droid who talks about emancipation does basically defeat your entire point because they do even canonically acknowledge that dynamic as what it is

[subtle lynx]

that's what I ask you because you made me look like I was stating my opinion on how much interest I had in the subject when it has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking abouy lmao

nobody is talking about interest

[wheat sail]

i need 3 marvel shows this season

[fiery burrow]

[opaque sigil]

you maybe aren't because you aren't reading anybody's messages

[glacial wren]

did that one droid getting it's droid toes burned ever get freed or were the rebels ignorant to their cause

[wheat sail]

they are ai but more realistic

[ionic arch]

like I'll be the first to admit levels of inspiration. my profile picture / lead character in my game is like a half-remembered fever dream tamagotchi mixed with bad graffiti.

my world uses lots of flat colors, not unlike literal Zelda 1

it's a game where you catch creatures, often in tall grass. how fucking original!!

and there's an ecological and anti-state push and pull with the plot. oh, so groundbreaking.

but. idk. I think I brought myself to it? I think it reads like me? like something you haven't quite seen before, even if you can trace some genetics?

[lone crown]

Lmao idk

[wheat sail]

or closer to how a person acts

[hollow terrace]

anyways.. uh droid uprising plot sounds cool

[frosty light]

wait what??

[shrewd summit]

something something writers not being good at making slavery allegories like in harry potter and so on

[opaque sigil]

it would be but they'd only play it for laughs

[frosty light]

[high hedge]

You were interested enough to respond to my initial message aimed at nobody to defend droids as a lower caste

[wheat sail]

yup, goofy

[high hedge]

So clearly its worth SOME discussion

[frosty light]

so theyre not based???

[subtle lynx]

me talking about subject being objectively relevant to the plot or not

ypu suddenly talking about subjective interest on the matter

and I'm not reading convos when the discussion didn't even include you, sure guy

[opaque sigil]

people don't only talk about things that are important to the plot

[lone crown]

Grievous will always be my favorite star wars character IN CONCEPT because the film and tv show butchered his potential

[wheat sail]

star is based

[opaque sigil]

do you not understand that people can talk about aspects of a work that aren't vital to the fuckin synopsis

[wheat sail]

jokes are what make the world go round

[subtle lynx]

but that was the whole point of the convo what????

[opaque sigil]

.

[wheat sail]

even if no one likes mine 😔

[high hedge]

I liked him in the Genndy show but that’s pretty common

[opaque sigil]

it was not

[subtle lynx]

you just joined the convo, changed subject and are saying I was the one not reading messages

[shrewd summit]

i mean, yeah, but the point is that George Lucas wants you to treat them as people in the story

[subtle lynx]

omg

[opaque sigil]

self awareness 0

[shrewd summit]

they are just a little different

[nimble radish]

what are you talking about

[subtle lynx]

...

[glacial wren]

george lucas was a visionary

[ionic arch]

like Hollow Knight is full of influence but it's woven

you get a peppering of Angel's Egg with Paper Mario mechanics

it's a delight how it all mingles

[subtle lynx]

yeah that's it

[wheat sail]

well better to not make a slavery allegory than to do it badly

[glacial wren]

zelda 2

[shrewd summit]

can we talk for a moment about how bad the slavery allegory is in harry potter please?

[lone crown]

I do like how both fair droid treatment and unfair droid treatment are present

[wheat sail]

i havent watched harry pottah dont spoil

[shrewd summit]

ok

[opaque sigil]

anybody who will defend that is too far gone anyways

[shrewd summit]

🙂

[wheat sail]

i will click every spoiler tag though

[glacial wren]

harry potter dies

[lone crown]

I despise 75% of things in Harry Potter

[shrewd summit]

what's the 25%?

[wheat sail]

[lone crown]

Maybe im being too generous

Maybe like 5%

[high hedge]

Do you think Rowling would’ve gotten away with it if they never came back after Chamber of Secrets

[violet path]

Really?

I like harry potter

[glacial wren]

i wonder how many magic schools there are

[fiery burrow]

Paper Mario... I've lost all respect for Team Cherry

[cunning geode]

the basilisk is cute

[glacial wren]

does modern russia have a magic school

[wheat sail]

rock mario

[nimble radish]

I don't think it was an allegory for slavery I think they actually kept slaves

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/super-paper-mario-super-paper-mario-twitter-dimentio-mimir-count-bleck-gif-23485565

[wheat sail]

no but rasputin was magic

[violet path]

Is that what the elves were?

[leaden delta]

I think we should kill rowling with sharp sticks

[violet path]

Dobby and the crew

[shrewd summit]

it's like the time manipulation thingy (tm), if she just forgot and didn't bring them back later she would have gotten away with it better

[glacial wren]

harry potter is just set in actual earth and that causes so many problems on it's own

[high hedge]

Yeaaa

[violet path]

Wait the time turners got brought back??

[opaque sigil]

I think she would’ve gotten away with a lot if she didn’t decide to make her entire persona hating trans people

[glacial wren]

do the koreas share a magic school or is it split up too

[high hedge]

Thats true

[ionic arch]

imagine

[cunning geode]

yes

[ionic arch]

tony hawk spike pit

[wheat sail]

right down the middle

[fiery burrow]

Rowling is evil Rick Riordan

[lone crown]

I like how hogwarts and the train station and all these parts of the world are hidden and connect well into the real world while also feeling magical, I also like the idea of the main setting of a series like Harry Potter being large and riddled with mystery, and even quirky things like the Marauder’s Map were cool fantasy ideas but other than that I have no significant comment

[violet path]

Im trying to watch spongebop

But no audio :(

[wheat sail]

what season

[nimble radish]

I don't think they were meant to be a stand in for something in particular if that's what the question is

[violet path]

Beats me just a random episode on nick

[glacial wren]

she's a feminist*

[violet path]

Ya same i thought they were just an example of chattel slavery

[shrewd summit]

in book 5, at the ministry battle harry fights some death eaters in a room full of them, then neville kicks something and they all fall and break and the book just goes "oops those were all the time turners now they broke too bad BYE" and that's it. like literally that's it

[glacial wren]

feminist with an asterisk don't take that the wrong way

[leaden delta]

and she hates trans people

[violet path]

Except like in the fantasy setting

[opaque sigil]

TERFs aren’t feminists

[cunning geode]

so, slavery

[violet path]

Oh really i thought the ministry purposefully destroyed them

[lone crown]

Some of the characters in HP have questionable names

That uh

No

[violet path]

All i know is that the stupid ass play brought them back somehow

Under completely different rules

[lone crown]

Im thinking of like two off the top of my head

[violet path]

Kingsley 😭

[wheat sail]

like Jane Jones

[ionic arch]

so many different ways to hate fucko's school for shit wizardos

[violet path]

Cho 💀

[glacial wren]

jk rowling thinking real hard on how to name the jewish students

[coarse leaf]

terf moments

[shrewd summit]

who, racist chinese caricature or racist black character caricature?

[violet path]

My surgeons name was chang

[nimble radish]

sturgeon

[lone crown]

Both 😭

[violet path]

He left

It hurt need spongebop to cope

LETS GO I GOT THE VOLUME TO WORK

[opaque sigil]

Well at least that was a plausible name

[ionic arch]

it's just so incredible how she doesn't ever stop even a little and just doubles down on the worst shit

[frosty light]

arent they right though? they started talking about this in response to the question of "its an interesting concept teased in the films, why didnt star wars delve into it?" and the answer was "it doesnt have anything to do with the other stuff going on". now, something i should note... i have not watched star wars but they were just clarifying it was always a background element to the generally unrelated story, right

[violet path]

Lucky star wars SUCKS

[opaque sigil]

Nobody was saying Star Wars had to go into that?

[violet path]

except for like 60% of it

[nimble radish]

why did they create gonk droids just to suffer

[violet path]

Theyre the worst

[opaque sigil]

I said it was an interesting idea and other movies like blade runner have actually dealt with it more directly

Star Wars was never the franchise to do that in and nobody was saying otherwise

[violet path]

I havent seen blade runner is it good?

Dont it got ryan gosling

[lone crown]

I enjoy lotr over hp (not a crazy take I imagine )

[opaque sigil]

That’s the sequel

[shrewd summit]

I hate when any piece of fiction goes "here's a concept, that's it bye it will never come back again"

[violet path]

I havent seen lotr either unfortunately

[nimble radish]

was "gonk droid screaming in pain" a necessary inclusion
it just creates so many questions

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes that’s unavoidable

[coarse leaf]

not at all tolkien was decidedly an outwardly better person than jk rowling is and he wrote a much better series

[ionic arch]

i mean lotr could also stand to be less fucking racist but at least tolkein is too dead to be a TERF

[nimble radish]

why can they only say "gonk" and screams of agony
who made them

[violet path]

I mean sometimes thats better than reusing something over and over again, it depends on the situation

[nimble radish]

at least tolkien didn't have twitter

[violet path]

Isnt that the dude from south park

[fiery burrow]

unexplained concepts make me think a lot more about the piece of media and also help to make the world feel bigger

[shrewd summit]

i think one of them tends to be a sign of lazier writing

[nimble radish]

it makes the world feel like a very cruel and horrible place
which is of course suitable for jabba's palace
but overall seriously, what is up with the gonk droids

[coarse leaf]

i havent read all the books, is there genuine racism in them or is it a situation where theres some odd stuff but not like hp lovecraft levels of racism where it was written directly into his stories

[ionic arch]

i mean

yes

like JKR should burn in a thousand hells

but tolkein was pretty fucking racist

[frosty light]

...okay i did misremember what i was thinking of , but it was that the first message was about how star wars introduces that but then doesnt do anything, and then it was a question of writers in general being unable to seriously explore it. rather than why star wars specifically didnt do it

[hollow terrace]

Also allows YOU, the reader or viewer to write a fanfiction story about the unexplained event

Like the battle of blackwyrm

[glacial wren]

tolkien vs rowling is an inane comparison

[fiery burrow]

The blackwyrm has been solved though

[shrewd summit]

yeeeeah the guys with the big elephants who were with Sauron just because (don't remeber their names) didn't age well

[hollow terrace]

Dies of thirst I know

[wheat sail]

the times were also pretty racist so take that into context, not that it was fine

[shrewd summit]

also fun fact: did you know that the Italian Neo fascist parties used the Hobbits as part of their propaganda for the youth?

[ionic arch]

The Orcs are pretty uh. pretty brutal.

But like... he did also try a little more in real life during the World Wars, etc.

Just a lot of influence that turned out very very sour

[coarse leaf]

thats nuts

[coarse leaf]

ah

[violet path]

God it feels like i got hit but a truck this suckd

[ionic arch]

the thing about the times

is they're pretty racist now too?

like yeah, measure against the times, but there are always people saying it's bullshit and always people going with the status quo, and we level a lot based on that status quo

[coarse leaf]

personally my favorite fantasy author is Terry Pratchett he seems like he was a wonderful old man and had some awesome opinions that are displayed throughout his novels

[opaque sigil]

The way race and ethnicity are conceptualized now vs almost a century ago are incredibly different

[wheat sail]

of course they are racist , they were especially racist going off of todays standards even

[ionic arch]

I should give more of his shit a try... maybe...

[shrewd summit]

they were in the late 70s, and basically the concept was that according to them Hobbits were the ideal italians while the orcs were like foreigners who would be a menace to the life and culture

[fiery burrow]

I have so many books to read... I wish people stopped discussing books so I didn't want to give them a shot.

[violet path]

What yall talking abt

[coarse leaf]

100%, discworld is an awesome series, it’s like the perfect mix of silly whimsy and genuine serious stuff for my personal tastes

[opaque sigil]

that isn't really much to do with him?

[ionic arch]

very much so definitely but like much of the power dynamic shift has been like "make it more entrenched in institutions to handwave and pretend we're less racist"

[glacial wren]

dwarves are cooler than elves

[violet path]

LETS GO I GET TO TAKE PERCOCET

[opaque sigil]

if people appropriate the hobbits and turn them into a far right symbol that doesn't inherently say anything about the writer's views

[shrewd summit]

I know but fascist propaganda is fascist propaganda

[opaque sigil]

it's irrelevant

[wheat sail]

RACISM !

[ionic arch]

isn't there one about establishing a postal service?

[fiery burrow]

Tolkien was dead by then what was he gonna do

[opaque sigil]

Tolkien was also pretty vocally critical of fascists so trying to use the fact that some tried to steal imagery from him in the context of a discussion of him as a person is immensely strange

[coarse leaf]

im pretty sure lorey was just pointing it out as a little fact, not as a point against tolkien

[violet path]

Be more specific

[wheat sail]

i think people are actually overall less racist now at least in western countries

[opaque sigil]

they're differently racist

[violet path]

I need to talk abt something to distract the fact that i feel like i got beat up by a whole army

[nimble radish]

what if we took all the racism and put it in one guy

[wheat sail]

i volunteer

[violet path]

Your sacrifice will be remembered

[opaque sigil]

also wrt this
the people back then who would've been pushing against the status quo would by modern sensibilities also be racist

[frosty light]

[wheat sail]

what do you mean

[opaque sigil]

the 'progressive' point of view isn't a fixed point and people who were progressives in their time would not necessarily be considered so decades later

[ionic arch]

yeah I'm not saying that it means he's automatically super racist, but his popular books have lots of inherently racist trappings, whether of the culture or his own views. He certainly tried to go a different way in practice, but that doesn't unwrite the shit, y'know? mixed bag

[opaque sigil]

like literally every historical figure

[ionic arch]

I think you're missing a few

[opaque sigil]

everybody exists in a context

judging anybody by purely modern standards is a half baked picture

[violet path]

Recovering from major surgery and it hurts like hell

[wheat sail]

get well soon

[violet path]

Like i said im getting perc so hopefully thay will help

[glacial wren]

tolkien's legacy will outlive any of these discussions

[opaque sigil]

well no

[coarse leaf]

there’s still plenty of racism now, it just tends to be expressed through micro-aggressions more often than it is through open violence and aggressive verbal attacks

[opaque sigil]

the legacy is what creates the discussions

[ionic arch]

that's the western / white answer though. Like Abraham Lincoln? yeah, by a modern measure still pretty fucking racist

how about like James Baldwin though

Harriet Tubman?

[formal marsh]

I am ecstatic to meet new friends and foes, such as Lace, Sherma and that long quick-travel fellow whose name escapes me at the moment...

[hollow terrace]

[ionic arch]

like the "by today's measure" has a huge tendency to be anchored to whiteness

[opaque sigil]

they probably had other problematic views, and you know minority populations will often be racist towards other minority populations

[glacial wren]

true enough

[opaque sigil]

trying to look for saints in history is a fool's errand and just incredibly naive

trying to look for them anywhere is

[fiery burrow]

Saints like me will never be remembered by history 😔

[violet path]

I will

[ionic arch]

I'm not advocating the lionizing of historical figures

I'm saying that the measuring stick of whiteness will always keen the the status quo of whiteness, which thrives in racism to maintain power

[shrewd summit]

who are Lace and Sherma?

[glacial wren]

morally black and white notions tend to hurt more than help anyway

[frosty light]

if someone had ALL the racism at once would they even end up thinking any race is inferior by the end

[opaque sigil]

the status quo is always determined by the hegemonic social groups that's not really that insightful an observation

[frosty light]

like... ALL of it??

[nimble radish]

they'd probably think everyone that wasn't them personally was inferior

[glacial wren]

everyone but me is garbage

[vivid belfry]

Yeah, this already exists and it's called a beholder

[opaque sigil]

TRUE

[vivid belfry]

most racist orb alive

[nimble radish]

oh I was definitely thinking of beholders

[olive bobcat]

All racism = narcissism

[formal marsh]

Lace is the mostly-white lady with an exotic head shape; Sherma is the small creature holding a musical instrument of sorts

[ionic arch]

Emma Lazarus in the 19th century saying "none of us are free until all of us are free" is markedly less racist than... pick any white person in history, no matter what halo projected

[glacial wren]

i miss the days of tribalism

[fiery burrow]

Lace is Hornet's girlfriend and Sherma is Hornet's rival

[wheat sail]

i wanna be part of the roman empire and fight hannibal

[glacial wren]

john lenin

[shrewd summit]

oh waIt you're tqalking about silksong i thought you were talking about lotr lmao

[keen crow]

I gotta say this is interesting but how was all that related to silksong

[opaque sigil]

And what about the people saying “all men are created equal” but owning slaves

[wheat sail]

Nothing... unless?

[opaque sigil]

Shit that sounds nice to say is not necessarily representative of their actual belief system

[ionic arch]

racist as fuck because they didn't think slaves counted as people??

[coarse leaf]

if you have a silksong topic you wanna bring up feel free, this chat is typically just used as another off-topic chat

[opaque sigil]

That’s the point

[shrewd summit]

Lincoln was still pretty racist at the end of the day

[ionic arch]

like otherwise it would have meant something else??

[formal marsh]

what a lovely discussion

[ionic arch]

so tell me what Emma Lazarus' context was then

[opaque sigil]

What historical figures mean when they say something is different from what people today mean when they say things

[ionic arch]

you can't gesture at one context without the other

[frosty light]

killer*

[opaque sigil]

Do you legitimately not understand that concepts evolve even basic shit like freedom or what a person is

[nimble radish]

which word?

[ionic arch]

yeah but predominantly WHITE historical figures. right?

[lone crown]

Wait what

[opaque sigil]

All historical figures

[glacial wren]

we'll get around to team cherry in a minute

[opaque sigil]

Every single historical figure

[nimble radish]

or is it "Lace is Hornet's killer girlfriend"

[shrewd summit]

i'm pretty sure that when lincoln said "i'm against giving them the suffrage" he meant he didn't want them to have the suffrage even to this day

[fiery burrow]

Was gonna make a colosseum joke but didn't finish it

[ionic arch]

tell me all about black historical figures who meant it different

[glacial wren]

that one guy

[opaque sigil]

[frosty light]

yes...

[lone crown]

Aw man I thought there was some lore revelation

[opaque sigil]

Every word means what it means in the context of a specific time place and community

That is not specific to white people

[frosty light]

wait thats peak nvm

[ionic arch]

the context of whiteness holds in the past but you can't tell me that status quo was the only thing. or we would not exist as we do now.

[opaque sigil]

The context of whiteness is notoriously fluid

[ionic arch]

you cannot believe that no one wanted change. to do so is to deny the reality of history.

[opaque sigil]

I never said that

[lone crown]

“Delicious! I like you already!” has convinced half the community that they’re in love

[opaque sigil]

For their time the founding fathers of the United States were radically progressive, they wanted change.

Wanting change doesn’t make somebody immediately align with modern progressive sensibilities

[nimble radish]

no one says delicious about people they hate

[opaque sigil]

All progressivism is progressive in a context

[lone crown]

Can’t realistically think of anyone who says “I like you” to someone they barely know in-person

[frosty light]

i think lace's theatrics being contrasted by hornet, ironically, playing the role of the straight man, is what sealed the deal

[heady iron]

sesbian

[opaque sigil]

What’s progressive now will look radically backwards and bigoted in centuries

[glacial wren]

i think the main takeaway of history is that there is no one solution

[opaque sigil]

That doesn’t mean everyone alive now is a bigot

[wheat sail]

like one day we may give trees the same rights as humans, then those human will look back at this time and go "wow these guys are racist to trees what the heck was wrong with them"

[nimble radish]

I think the main takeaway from history is we probably shouldn't have ripped tolkien's lore wholesale without checking

[heady iron]

stupid woodstalks

[glacial wren]

animal rights activists HATE the circus

[frosty light]

like you already? so she's set to like her more later...? but why...

[heady iron]

we might also give kirbstar posthumous rights in the distant future

[ionic arch]

progressive in wanting to not be beholden to the british? what rights did they obtain for the oppressed among them other than their own independence and gain?

like fuck monarchy truly deeply but when I'm talking about who's shit is racist... there is still a quantifiable measure of racism throughout, y'know??

[frosty light]

well sure but usually people arent our direct mortal enemies. gotta be a little clearer, then

[lone crown]

The most important event in history is the revelation that Hegemol is indeed the maggot

[opaque sigil]

Are you actually deliberately trying to ignore the point

What is or isn’t subversive is purely contextual

[ionic arch]

are you? because it's seemed thar way from the get go

[opaque sigil]

[vivid belfry]

Hegemol was False Knight who failed in a previous loop and then the new one took up his slack

[heady iron]

🍿

[lone crown]

🍿

[glacial wren]

i can't control my hatred of morons and simpletons, bumpkins etc

[ionic arch]

I'm not talking about subversion. I'm talking about fucking racism, lmao

[coarse leaf]

i think this is a bad conversation to continue for much longer while getting more aggressive

[heady iron]

subversion is horrible, git is much better

[opaque sigil]

You literally brought up people trying to make change

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[opaque sigil]

To argue about progressivism

[nimble radish]

that's not a good thing...
we can't help being stupid...

[frosty light]

what if the maggot is sly's suit of armor tho

[opaque sigil]

The same shit applies to racism or political systems or any number of issues

[ionic arch]

change about racism

I have been talking about racism

[lone crown]

Canon

[opaque sigil]

:be

You can find plenty of cases of people in racialized groups being racist themselves that’s not hard

[wheat sail]

get on voice chat or you lose the argument

[lone crown]

It is only human to commit a stupid

[wheat sail]

e

[lone crown]

e

e?

[frosty light]

heheheheheheh!

[heady iron]

whoever blocks the other first wins the argument

who will fold

[ionic arch]

shit from a white dude a century ago who is not too racist for the time but is influenced by the white zeitgeist of racism is gonna be more racist in their writings than a black anti-racist writer who is fucking sick of racism

[vivid belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

[opaque sigil]

You’re clearly arguing with shadows

[fiery burrow]

Shandow??

[frosty light]

huh??

[ionic arch]

so the "people were inherently worse because progress happens over time" scale ignores EVERYONE who fought and pleaded for what we eventually ARRIVED at

[frosty light]

thats not how you...

[opaque sigil]

And that’s also not even really true black writers are also going to be working with a contemporary understanding of race

[opaque sigil]

No it doesn’t

[lone crown]

[opaque sigil]

But that’s also not what I was advocating for

[glacial wren]

this is stressing me out where are my comfort peanuts

i'm out

[heady iron]

HEY, LET'S THROW PEANUTS AT BOTH OF THEM

[glacial wren]

life is hell

[coarse leaf]

can this argument end soon

[opaque sigil]

Yeah I don’t really care enough when my messages are getting ignored anyways

[lone crown]

Speaking of peanuts might I discuss my favorite tool in Silksong

[frosty light]

only if we make a really cool fan tool creating contest and i get the one hundred bucks prize money when i win at the end

[lone crown]

Has someone brought the image in question on a silver platter atop a red pillow yet

[frosty light]

allow me, sire...!

[lone crown]

Cause you see, this tool will be an integral portion of the game’s plot

[frosty light]

[coarse leaf]

well my life is fucked i lost my only special peanut

[uncut citrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1250554727020761239/ihave_made_an_irreversible_mistake.png?ex=666b5d59&is=666a0bd9&hm=bb87b7b6acb523d29f3eb6550d978bd99c7cf17dafe04909ad6bbe31df51b9fc&

[lone crown]

Brilliant, both of you

[frosty light]

had to take it from here https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/kpo17i/silksong_tool_prediction/

[uncut citrus]

I was late because my phone sucks and there’s no « back » button after searching for something fr fr

[nimble radish]

reddit moment

[frosty light]

i like the interpretation...

[nimble radish]

thanks for the gold kind stranger

[ionic arch]

okay. it does though. I'll drop it, but you're simply ignoring the dynamics of history in a way that won't serve you in any other way than in the service of whiteness. and I think that kinda sucks!

I'll cool it though, y'all have fun, I'll be back later when I'm less frustrated

[heady iron]

walter

[strange night]

Hi

[lone crown]

You will be tasked with the restoration of the pipes that connect through Pharloom via peanut oil due to wearing and damage, but then you later uncover the source of what has caused all the damages

[uncut citrus]

Look how messed up that is

[frosty light]

bros were they right...

[glacial wren]

hornet is just like me drinking random liquids

[lone crown]

No

Its peanut oil

[frosty light]

it could be from the caravan...

[heady iron]

and by it I mean-

[hollow terrace]

Anti lion spray

[frosty light]

they sell driinks n shit !!

[lone crown]

Flea jarate?

I will refrain from talking

[frosty light]

um... yes...?

[lone crown]

I mean we have dung defender so where’s piss protector

[nimble radish]

behind you

[frosty light]

[wheat sail]

That's what I've been saying

[lone crown]

“Ahh, you were at my side all along. My true mentor.”

[nimble radish]

are there bugs associated with urine collection

[glacial wren]

i wish

[nimble radish]

surely there must be at least one bug that does something with pee

[frosty light]

...ludwig just pulls up a big ass canteen of pee...?

its a scripted one shot if he hits you with it 🤭

[lone crown]

Some insects are able to fling pee

[nimble radish]

it's bloodborne so the pee has blood in it

[lone crown]

Oh, cicadas I think

[frosty light]

huh.

[lone crown]

[wheat sail]

they throwing it back

[frosty light]

i think we finally have a good reason to ping team cherry role, chat...

[frosty light]

[lone crown]

Piss protector confirmed to be a cicada

[rotund mason]

Saw this, and I think it sums up Silksong's development perfectly: https://youtube.com/shorts/-orANqMkJBA?si=hh-y4hkFrHQ_Pb8C

[sick plank]

where can i go to get an autograph from john silksong

[warped nacelle]

John yakuza

[lone crown]

Wait…. WAIT HERE PLEASE

Explain this

Iosefka’s Blood Vial

[rotund mason]

If you're peeing blood you need to see a doctor.

[nimble radish]

honestly I think ludwig has other medical problems going on

[sick plank]

do you kill iosefka before or after rom

[wheat sail]

Konichiwa moss

[lone crown]

Silksong is actually Bloodborne chat

[coarse leaf]

nvm theres vaguely nsfw talk at the end deleting this one

[fiery burrow]

This is one of the top 10 worst SS-discussion topics of all time

[lone crown]

It was right in front of us all along

[sick plank]

will silksong get the cummmfpk farming chalice

[lone crown]

best*

Yeah, it’s 20 Ass Jims

[heady iron]

the huh

[lone crown]

[coarse leaf]

too many pjackk posts are too vulgar for hkmain and it saddens me because i cant parade those ones about

[sick plank]

bloodborne has a chalice dungeon with the glyph code "cummmfpk" where you can walk in, stand there for 30 seconds, and get a lot of money for free

[wheat sail]

pjackk? like wojak???

[sick plank]

if silksong is bloodborne then will it have the cummmfpk chalice too

[coarse leaf]

no pjackk like the tekken character

[rotund mason]

So anyway, I best a big reason that Silksong is taking so long might be because TC keep moving their own goal posts. Like they get close to being finish, but then they think of more content to add or a way to refine this system further, so they delay so they could do that.

[coarse leaf]

who WILL come back some day

[lone crown]

Iosefka is actually a Silksong character

[frosty light]

🤯

[warped nacelle]

Oyasuminasai

[sick plank]

im pretty sure the reason silksong is taking so long is because its a video game and video games take a long time to make. idk just a thought

[glacial wren]

I DON'T CARE!!!

[wheat sail]

is this a threat\

[sick plank]

and because team cherry is like 4 people

[lone crown]

I think they may have retracted on “don’t expect another Godhome” and are likely adding a much better boss rush implementation but that’s just my theory (it could also just be as simple as a dream or menu)

[fiery burrow]

Odd way to spell dev hell

[rotund mason]

They're incapable of saying "Alright, this game already has like 50 hours of content, it's time to polish and get ready for release, anything more we can add later as DLC."

[frosty light]

it wasnt actually one of yoseffkas vials in the nightmare... it just looked that way because it was a rando, ordinary bottle of urine

[cinder island]

Making godhome good?????

[sick plank]

team cherry isnt cdpr

[lone crown]

Godhome lore is odd and the boss rushes have some odd things about them

[cinder island]

(removing it)

[fiery burrow]

Numero Uno way to make Godhome better is to make your bosses good

[wheat sail]

how about there be 300 pantheons with 1 boss each

[glacial wren]

that's what they have normies believe

[frosty light]

after, i want the celestial baby to overthrow us all

[lone crown]

I would honestly just like a simple refight menu, maybe in a place where Hornet goes to sleep on a bed and has her own dream (maybe the only dream reference in the game)

[sick plank]

some devs like to actually finish their games before they release them instead of being blizzard and just releasing their first prototype

[rich nexus]

[wheat sail]

overwatch 2 is a whole new game

[frosty light]

if we cant attach a hat to hornets horns whats even the point...

[rich nexus]

is there cummmfpk in hollow knight?

[lone crown]

Yes

[warped nacelle]

Ima neru zo matta ashita Kirb san

[frosty light]

theres no way

[rich nexus]

please put me on

[sick plank]

yeah but you have to actually fight things instead of just turning left and looking at the wall

[frosty light]

i cant think of 5 worse ones but ill ignore that. i dont accept it

[rich nexus]

NOOOO

[lone crown]

Twenty different ass jims die simultaneously which drop 80k rosaries

[sick plank]

also you cant just oneshot every boss with ludwig's holy blade

[fiery burrow]

You're an ancient reg ofc there'll be more you can think of

[vagrant wren]

When is nintendo direct?

[rotund mason]

True, but at the same time if the devs are too much of a perfectionists you end of with a game that never actually comes out because it can never reach the creator's idea of "finished."

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-toji-fushiguro-anime-anime-fight-gif-15809437171418241846

[rich nexus]

27.2 gems with bbp goes brrrr

[fiery burrow]

idk why you'd assume anything about whats taking SS so long

[lone crown]

As another ancient reg this is one of the best discussions ever

[wheat sail]

maybe team cherry just forgor? game theory

[nimble radish]

I think it was shigeru miyamoto who said "no art is ever finished, just forver bad"

[warped nacelle]

u should Google translate kirb

[coarse leaf]

i think you’re losing sight of the fact TC is still a very small team making a large game, naturally it’ll take them longer. i dont doubt what you’re saying has something to do with it but i wouldn’t say that’s the only reason

[rich nexus]

peak

[frosty light]

they did say this tough........... in 2019

[sick plank]

why dont you go get yourself a job at team cherry and tell them that

[wheat sail]

Kābu staru

[rotund mason]

You say that like we're not all wildly speculating at what's going on behind the scenes.

[lone crown]

I have yet to propose a proper area name for the snow monastery concept

[frosty light]

maybe them misspelling sight shouldve been a giveaway...

[fiery burrow]

I'm not

[rich nexus]

the bosses

[sick plank]

why are people still speculating about silksong? the game released 4 years ago

[nimble radish]

"snowy monastery" is the most in line with the hk naming scheme

[rich nexus]

the final boss is actually hard lmao

[lone crown]

No no we’re discussing Elden Ring DLC

[frosty light]

they DIDNT have an end in sight! it was just... on... site...? uh

[sick plank]

june 12th 2020, that was 4 years ago today

[rich nexus]

i cant wait

[heady iron]

I'm modding the final boss in nine sols right now

[frosty light]

YEAHH SNOW MONASTERY LFG

[sick plank]

today is the fourth anniversary of silksong's release

[lone crown]

What about “Frigid Outskirts”

[coarse leaf]

so yeah elden knight, shadow of the silktree is basically cool AF

[nimble radish]

skirts...

[wheat sail]

I've been waiting for you tomorrow, Mr. RB.

[rich nexus]

another fromsoft dlc classic

[wheat sail]

LEAVBE ME ALONG

[frosty light]

[lone crown]

I have a prediction for an Elden Ring DLC boss that I’ve been saying for at least a year

[marsh ibex]

server language is english bub

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-children-of-the-atom-snikt-bub-wolverine-logan-gif-23028610

[lone crown]

And I can very well be right

[frosty light]

damn theyre fucking rich wtf

[wheat sail]

american english or british

[coarse leaf]

the elden ring dlc is coming out two days after my birthday and the convenience of that makes me smile

[frosty light]

um no i joined this year...

[rich nexus]

and you get deathblight immediately

[sick plank]

how about instead of complaining about team cherry or silksong or whatever you all treat yourself to 18 inches of messmer the impaler

[rotund mason]

At this point Silksong is Schrödinger's Game; It could be nearly finished and TC are planning to shadowdrop any day now, or something catastrophically horrible could have happened that set back development by years. The only ones that know are TC themselves.

[nimble radish]

australian

[fiery burrow]

Leave new user I don't want to see your ugly mug here again

[wheat sail]

krikey

[lone crown]

That is the single funniest proposal for an attack I have ever heard, congratulations

[leaden delta]

there probably is

[wheat sail]

says you

[leaden delta]

bro we are not native to this channel

[marsh ibex]

do me a favor and shut up

[rich nexus]

❤️

[nimble radish]

you always say the sweetest things joker

[wheat sail]

whatd he say

[sick plank]

miquella is a boy

[marsh ibex]

to be more official, please do your utmost best to follow server rules and regulations and to not be inappropriate

[sick plank]

a 10 year old boy

[wheat sail]

uh huh 🤨

[frosty light]

[leaden delta]

like there’s a reason we made of fun of ss disc Shandow

[marsh ibex]

oh wow

someone who

isn't active in ss discussion

[rich nexus]

hes literally many centuries old☠️

[marsh ibex]

came in and said something weird

not like this

[fiery burrow]

Agree to disagree

[leaden delta]

back when this channel fucking sucked and hk disc was good we do not know shit abt this dawg

[glacial wren]

elden ring sucks there's no story and it's impossible to get anywhere

[frosty light]

what is he doing

[marsh ibex]

happens in literally every channel

[lone crown]

I don’t think Miquella is 10, but he is cursed with eternal youth but that’s still bad but ANYWAY

[frosty light]

and how can i surpass him

[marsh ibex]

because this server has like 230k+ members

/membercount

bum

[sick plank]

this server has one member

[marsh ibex]

?membercount

[white sail]

Members

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Jun 12, 2024, 11:18 PM

[lone crown]

[rich nexus]

ok keep modding buddy

[marsh ibex]

ok

[coarse leaf]

true

[lone crown]

(To each their own)

[rich nexus]

i hope u get paid

[marsh ibex]

do that again and I mute you

cheers

[rich nexus]

yes do ur job

[wheat sail]

😮

[nimble radish]

elden ring? the game written by george reorge reorge meorge?

[glacial wren]

you could fill a city with that amount of people and it would be a bad city

[valid sable]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[fiery burrow]

Elden Ring is Tears of the Kingdom but the moment to moment gameplay sucks and the boss fights suck and the music sucks and everything sucks

[coarse leaf]

the passive aggression over being told not to say weird things is lame

[sick plank]

my favorite part of elden ring is when the tarnished said its elden time and then ringed all over the place

[leaden delta]

It would be a

[nimble radish]

me when public servers have rules

[marsh ibex]

smooth criminal

[rich nexus]

ok

[leaden delta]

go listen to good kid maad city please

[marsh ibex]

ow

[lone crown]

I can’t discuss the DLC contents without spoilers but he has the weirdest naming conventions ever I’ll say that

[marsh ibex]

next time just ping mods guys

[frosty light]

huh you were the one who called them lame and i held a grudge over it there was like a whole conflict and everything!

[leaden delta]

joker shut up

[sick plank]

@ mods

[leaden delta]

there was? 🥴

[frosty light]

oh wait when was this

[leaden delta]

relics of an old fucking time

like 2020

[lone crown]

My bad I forgot stuff like that doesn’t fly here

[frosty light]

...it was like 2 messages, but

[sick plank]

this channel was still just as bad as it is now 5 years ago

[leaden delta]

nah

[glacial wren]

can i say a weird thing once a month as a treat

[leaden delta]

Cuz now this is like an off topic with good regulars kinda

[marsh ibex]

doesn't ping mods
is surprised when random weirdos continue to be weird

[leaden delta]

sometimes

[fiery burrow]

Can I say a swear word every now and again

[marsh ibex]

I'm not going to eat you for pinging me

[marsh ibex]

well that's too fucking far

[leaden delta]

joker I’ll eat your face first

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-ping-cry-about-it-ping-notification-gif-22883874

[fiery burrow]

Dude

[coarse leaf]

away from the larval babies

[leaden delta]

can I eat your face? ok good

[fiery burrow]

Not that bad of a swear word like the d word or h word not an fbomb

[sick plank]

this was my second ever message on this server

[marsh ibex]

we're a goddamn reputable business here

[frosty light]

so its just totk?

[marsh ibex]

we can't be slinging curse words around like it's the shitty wild west here

[sick plank]

true...

[heady iron]

poopy

[nimble radish]

this is an australian server there are no "swear words" they're just words

[fiery burrow]

I'll create a stabilizer catapult and chuck time bombs at your house

[glacial wren]

rats should populate the earth, they should be allowed to coexist with humans and eat our garbage and chew our things up

[sick plank]

all souls games would be 30% better if there were no rats or dogs

[fiery burrow]

Rodents and humans cannot exist in the same world

[marsh ibex]

finna mute you

[frosty light]

[fiery burrow]

You know that.... You knew that

[coarse leaf]

but…. but theyre two completely different types of games aside from being open world 🥺…..

[fiery burrow]

Explains why one is great and the other sucks

[frosty light]

kinda weird that hornet is void didnt live forever in some capacity

[sick plank]

agreed. elden ring is great

[nimble radish]

it's just not that versatile of a joke

[frosty light]

...whereas me when beans did

[coarse leaf]

i think they’re both pretty great games and can both exist as such imo iirc afaik

[heady iron]

who is posting me when beans still

[glacial wren]

go ahead, use your thumbs, what good will it do

[nimble radish]

me when beans is a gif, those never die I guess...

[lone crown]

I disagree but I do agree that there can be some improvements with the aspects you brought up

[leaden delta]

I was void once

[frosty light]

they put the old snake boss from bloodborne to use apparently so ig thats nice
totk uhh it has the color green
i think we both know who the winner here is

[fiery burrow]

I'm completely joking I think they are similar quality

[coarse leaf]

TOGETHAAAHHH

[frosty light]

i-framed iirc

[fiery burrow]

wasn't the cut snake boss DS3 instead of bloodborne

[lone crown]

Oh lmao

[lone crown]

Yeah, SnakeSoul became Ulcerated Tree Spirit

[heady iron]

the very gohs

[frosty light]

no... the rats let me throw axes and deadly rings at people... theyre cool.......

[coarse leaf]

the only snake boss in elden ring is rykard and he has a silly voice

[fiery burrow]

join the serpent king as famileeeee

[lone crown]

Minor ER DLC spoiler:
||Oh and by the way in the demo that the content creators played guess what existing boss reappeared in the DLC ||

[coarse leaf]

they’re adding a whole throwing weapon weapon type in the elden ring dlc youll be able to do this without the rats

[nimble radish]

dung defender

[frosty light]

the thing is precisely that, and yet it refused to die, and then even that fact became old, and people were tired of people complaining about joking about it for a while

[cyan forum]

Tywin Lannister

[lone crown]

Erm actually the grave warden duelists have a grab attack that summon snakes

Erm actually spiritcaller snails are actually snakes with shells and a slug-like middle section

[hollow terrace]

DRAGONSLAYER ARMOR FINALLY APPEARS IN ER

[frosty light]

part of me does hope hornet is revealed to be void in silksong

[nimble radish]

why would you want that

[marsh ibex]

ok

[coarse leaf]

true

[fiery burrow]

I don't have a gif of the death animation 😔

[frosty light]

not as a joke, just as the conclusion to our lives, that that was always the case all along

[hollow terrace]

Modders weap in excitement that their knight mod can use the updated DS3 skeleton

[wheat sail]

doesnt the screen turn black when hornet dies,

seems good to me

[lone crown]

Saw a mod where you fight a tree sentinel without his horse and he fights like the Dragonslayer, super cool stuff

[coarse leaf]

ornstein’s legacy is not only immortal but also universally transcendent

[frosty light]

im not sure thered be any way more resolute but solemn one could be so wrong about something, you know

[lone crown]

I believe it was the Reforged mod

[hollow terrace]

im sorry chat but its like Dark souls 1 with that one cut boss, once you see it in a mod you cant unsee it in all other mods

[nimble radish]

it would feel more like a retcon than a reveal

[frosty light]

itd be kind of a paradigm shift but like instant and mostly useless, which would be comforting

[lone crown]

I am catastrophically excited for the DLC yet I can’t share why (DO NOT be curious like me, go in blind)

[frosty light]

the scenario kind of assumes we all like 100% believe it definitely was always planned and somehow we see exactly how we were wrong in retrospect but you def gotta suspend your disbelief for thaat

[fiery burrow]

Its not a retcon if Hornet was void and Silksong tells the story of how she become not void

[heady iron]

Malenia's twin sister, Melonia

[frosty light]

which is the appeal, honestly

[nimble radish]

it would be absolutely crazy

[coarse leaf]

honestly the thing im most excited for in the elden ring dlc is the martial arts weapon class, good and/or fun fist weapons were desperately needed in elden ring, i havent looked at anything much other than the new weapon types

[frosty light]

impossible but undeniable

[lusty stump]

I heard there’s a Nintendo direct this month

[frosty light]

oh thats for sure

[lusty stump]

Maybe ss announcement

[nimble radish]

I hear the fans of my laptop and the dehumidifier in my room

[frosty light]

this might just be the severe sleep deprivation talking but i do feel fairly strongly about this all of a sudden

[nimble radish]

even the roads are quiet at this time of day...

[lone crown]

Fist weapons are good in elden ring

At least, for PvE (haven’t tried much for PvP)

[coarse leaf]

theyre not very fun to use though

[lone crown]

Untrue imo

I love charged heavy attack fists

I beat up hoarah loux with em’

[hollow terrace]

so call free thinkers when they see punch weapon

[lone crown]

Satisfying af

[frosty light]

i didnt play elden ring so this is entirely hearsay ||there was an unused snake ball boss in bloodborne and some dolt named radahn or something like that is supposedly quite similar||

[hollow terrace]

ill stick to my zwei thank you very much

[lone crown]

Their DPS is great too ESPECIALLY star fist which has passive bleed

[glacial wren]

i can punch things in elden ring?

[ionic arch]

hello again chat I'm sorry for getting carried away arguing about racism and killing the vibe

I should really finish Elden Ring because more of it sounds very exciting

[coarse leaf]

the big problem for me is they all have the same movesets, fromsoft has already done special movesets for fist weapons before so now that theyre doing that in elden ring im happy

[lone crown]

Greatsword gang

[frosty light]

wait was it rykard

[fiery burrow]

charged heavy attack fists... Loader utility

[coarse leaf]

the dlc looks very exciting

[frosty light]

idk these elder rig bosses are all the same to me

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-elden-ring-dlc-fromsoftware-from-software-gif-3956806822513556037

[coarse leaf]

the martial arts look sooo fun

the beast claws too

[lone crown]

I’m not gonna spoil anything outside the first trailer

[ionic arch]

I've like half-avoided looking at it... but I think it's time

ooooooo that gif

[hollow terrace]

it looks fun but like

I cant see myself using it in boss fights dude its already hard with greatswords...

[heady iron]

Will we finally have combat as satisfying as sekiro

[hollow terrace]

elden beast my hatred...

[ionic arch]

WAIT I HAVE TO BEAT MOHG?!

[hollow terrace]

MOHG SWEEEEp

[ionic arch]

uh oh

[lone crown]

Oh yeah one thing I will mention is the main DLC bosses (the first two that were played by the content creators) apparently had difficulty comparable to Maliketh/Godfrey

[coarse leaf]

yeah his arena is where the entrance to the dlc is gonna be

[ionic arch]

ohhhh no

[lone crown]

What do you play ER on, I’ll no-hit solo for you

[formal marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230500411835023362/1250247714684538964/Muhehehehehe.mp4?ex=666a3f6b&is=6668edeb&hm=f3856ce1afeb6ae9b392165be04175c641d13b68eb5e0734547358c8dfef2456&

[frosty light]

well i see fromsoft has kept their mo for dlcs as usual?

[glacial wren]

i beat mohg while listening to garfield lore, it was very helpful

[hollow terrace]

my full str build kind shredded him, just spam lions claw ftw!!!

[coarse leaf]

the nice thing is that they’re apparently doing the dlc balance in a different way from their other games to hopefully eliminate the thing of needing to wait until endgame to do a dlc without a lot of trouble even if you unlock it way earlier

[ionic arch]

I got a shitty lil second-hand PS4 slim when the pandemic newer

wanted to have a less sad birthday

[lone crown]

Ah good

[heady iron]

tres

duo

[ionic arch]

so on that! been a minute though

gotta remember where he even is, I think I did like a "taster" fight against him?? or someone else blood-adjacent??

I clearly have to remember some things

[lone crown]

He has a clone down below Leyndell

[ionic arch]

I think I bonked a clone

[coarse leaf]

yeah there’s like a projection of him that you fight in the sewers

[lone crown]

The real mohg is in the Mohgwyn Dynasty Mausoleum

[ionic arch]

mmmm that sounds familiar

[heady iron]

Godefroy the Grafted

[ionic arch]

oohoohoo

[coarse leaf]

this is the funniest boss in any fromsoft game

[hollow terrace]

if youre crazy you can kill mogh at phase one

[lone crown]

An underground section near Siofra that’s foreshadowed if you were curuous about the odd reddish buildings in the distance

[ionic arch]

waugh

[ionic arch]

AHA THAT PLACE

I KNEW IT WAS A THING!!

[lone crown]

You can apparently get rid of mohg’s bloodrain via stuff like Carian Retaliation

[ionic arch]

ooh. gonna have to weasel my way over there

[coarse leaf]

i dont mind the reuse of field bosses in the game but them reusing an actual main boss as an evergaol fight but renaming him and saying “oh thats a relative of godrick who looks exactly like him” is so silly

[ionic arch]

what even is my "build" I don't remember

[lone crown]

This man is actually canon, he’s mentioned in the lore via Ancient Dragon Knight Kristoff Ashes’ item description

[hollow terrace]

lions claw or nothing

[coarse leaf]

it’s the ONE time they do that thankfully but it’s so dumb

[ionic arch]

that is VERY true

[lone crown]

What if I told you that Godefroy isn’t the weirdest/laziest name in Elden Ring

[coarse leaf]

it’s less about the name and more about the boss

[frosty light]

wwhat

[heady iron]

I always mix up Godrick and Godfrey

[lone crown]

Yeah its unfortunately real

[frosty light]

isnt the name like the same too

[coarse leaf]

it’s so so odd

[cedar radish]

Elden Ring has some questionable name choices

[coarse leaf]

the names within the family branches sounding similar makes sense, that’s a real thing that still happens and was especially common in celtic families, the insane part of godefroy is that he’s literally identical to godrick in every way

[lone crown]

Blame GMMR

[ionic arch]

so I actually have a question about this for my own personal gain — I like the variety of bosses and don't mind repeats... but I wanted to try something different in my own game

[frosty light]

theyre just called rick and frey but they decided to add god to their names and start to pettily outclass the other thats why theyre the same

[lone crown]

Every major character in ER begins with G, M, and R to reference his involvement

[ionic arch]

so I'm doing like. a solid 50ish bosses? but some of them have alternate versions with more personality and lore

[coarse leaf]

you mean GRRM

[frosty light]

well yeah the point is they apparently with with that name after deciding to reuse a boss, right

[heady iron]

You should have identical bosses and give them completely different lore

[hollow terrace]

GRRM theory is FAAAAAKKKKKKE

[lone crown]

I believe what they did was they made GRRM create a universe with the establishment of characters and whatnot, then Miyazaki and his team took what he wrote and set it way far into the future and have the world destroyed

[frosty light]

wha...

[lone crown]

Thanks mb

[lone crown]

I’m not wrong are I?

[coarse leaf]

well there’s tons of individuals in that same branch of the family with the suffix “god”, all named for Godfrey

[ionic arch]

and in addition there's a lab where you can do like. hologram refights. but they're framed as such

is that good or does that suck?

[nimble radish]

prefix?

[frosty light]

they dark soulsd the mans dollies... 😔

[coarse leaf]

you’re not but also the naming convention was a very real thing in the cultures elden ring pulls from

[frosty light]

i havent played elden ringtjat sounds insane

[lone crown]

Ah

[coarse leaf]

a lab?

[frosty light]

hologram refights are like perfect tbh

[lone crown]

Me on my way to potentially predict a major DLC boss a year in advance cause I’m that cool

[heady iron]

For my completely undeveloped game I was thinking of having boss refights be in vr

[coarse leaf]

oooh wait i see what you’re saying

[ionic arch]

yeah! like. plot relevant. so if there are repeat bosses it's more of a... choice?

[coarse leaf]

i think that’s a neat idea, ofc i’d make it wholly optional which i assume you already plan on doing but giving players a way to refight bosses if they want to is always nice

[ionic arch]

unless you're facing alternate versions of SOME of them that all are kind of like their own people with some plot and lore specific to them

[nimble radish]

when I was a young child I made up a dragon set in httyd universe (it was a big boulder class dragon that rolled up into a ball and could roll uphill) then the series ended up having one just like it

[frosty light]

the game just completely switches to an untested, unplayable version of the normal thing, for the extra challenge, see

[nimble radish]

well not just like it, theirs was much more well designed

[lone crown]

You are the messiah

[ionic arch]

okay! neat! definitely had a "how would a godhome fit in my game" moment and realized it needed to be a lot more... abstracted

[iron spear]

R/ss got me on blast

[heady iron]

Maybe make them digital scans that can be programmed slightly differently to give them altered movesets

[ionic arch]

hi Graig

[opaque sigil]

again?

[frosty light]

still wherere your royalties...

[nimble radish]

I don't believe in r/silksong

[ionic arch]

how's your game going Graig

[iron spear]

I didn't think I said anything too bad, just kinda responded to a guy who asked me a question.

[frosty light]

[finite flax]

i do not think, therefore i do not am

[iron spear]

Very well! The demo is 99.99% compete

[lone crown]

The question in question?

[frosty light]

oh dear

[iron spear]

Coming in the next week or so. (I hope)

[heady iron]

How long has the demo been in dev for

[wheat sail]

The 0.001%: 😏

[quartz cave]

YOOOOOOO

[iron spear]

Part time about 1.5 years

[ionic arch]

ROC'S ODYSSEY SWEEP

[lone crown]

Cant wait for GameRant to take this out of context and make it related to a Silksong demo

[quartz cave]

Thats amazing we can play roc soon

[finite flax]

erm what the silkma

[quartz cave]

Lets fucking goo

Also hi bestie

[finite flax]

smh gamerant

[ionic arch]

what's silkma

[wheat sail]

it's what the rocma now

Silk is dead

[quartz cave]

I would ask but that tells me that development seems to be going good

[frosty light]

who the fu ck isn sherma

[finite flax]

erm what the graigma

[iron spear]

Well it's going out to some influencers first, to drive some hype. Then I'll release it to everyone during the KS 🙂

[quartz cave]

Thats cool

[ionic arch]

that's cool as hell

[quartz cave]

Do i count as influencer/jk

[ionic arch]

faster than my demo and I didn't even include like. combat

[heady iron]

Give it to primacon so he can stfu for a little while

[opaque sigil]

how many bot followers do I need to buy to count as an influencer

[wheat sail]

You influence me

[opaque sigil]

I am a corrupting force

[wheat sail]

👅

[opaque sigil]

what

[heady iron]

As the developer of well known software as uh...anyrad, I believe I deserve early access to this demo

[quartz cave]

Will roc have an underwater level where you cant actually swim so you drown and can never continue the story

[lone crown]

Datamine it…

[wheat sail]

Is anyrad that modded radiance that just spams attacks everywhere

[frosty light]

why did you make traitor gods dash so fucking fast btw

[wheat sail]

Das güt

[ionic arch]

brb registering Souplover's Pizza as an "influencer"

[quartz cave]

Kirbstar is the only influencer here imo

[frosty light]

what the fuck whgy did i thi nk you were saying something aboiut curing cancer in the game 🥴

[ionic arch]

who am I kidding we can't even "influence" apartment roaches to not jumpscare us

[quartz cave]

What 😭

[lone crown]

[fiery burrow]

Will Roc help researchers cure cancer

[quartz cave]

@ graig bestie will we be able to cure cancer in the game

[frosty light]

i HAVE to gio to sleep rn

[wheat sail]

Yes and you must fend off the cia

[frosty light]

smh final act spoilers

[quartz cave]

Weve cracked the code guys

[fiery burrow]

roc's t-rex buddy dies

[opaque sigil]

they should make a game where the objective is to cure cancer gamers are rabid they'll put in so many hours

[frosty light]

uhh which one

[lone crown]

Is there a 4.0 anyrad

[quartz cave]

The final enemy of roc's odysses is mr charles ancer and we will need to defeat him before roc becomes terminally ill

[ionic arch]

silk and/or song

[quartz cave]

NOOOOOOOOOO NOT ROCKY

[fiery burrow]

"Its got a bit of a steep learning curve but once you get good at it its REALLY rewarding and fun"

[frosty light]

even if 3.0 is beaten there wont be

hopefully get 10.0 tho]

[quartz cave]

Why oh why rocky

It shouldve been star

😭😭😭😭

[frosty light]

not "it should have been me" bruuhhh

[heady iron]

I think roc will release before silksong

[wheat sail]

No...

[quartz cave]

We will now never get rocky marketable plush guys,,,,

[pulsar sleet]

Everything will

[quartz cave]

We will have to steal them off backers

[fiery burrow]

Roc mod where you can give Rocky gear like a Palico

[violet path]

Ofc freakon musk made likes private

[heady iron]

Man now I wanna work on my own game but the nine sols modding brainrot is also strong

[quartz cave]

Chat should i force ttacco into making a rocs odyssey gun mod instead of working on hollowpoint 2.0

[violet path]

Poor ttaxo

[quartz cave]

Whos ttaxo

Taxes are prohibited on this chat

Omg its mr tomato face

Hiiiiiiii

[hollow terrace]

Ttaxo if he was a government mascot for taxes

[quartz cave]

True,,,

[violet path]

Bburito vs ttaco

[quartz cave]

Who the hell is Bburito and who the hell is ttaco

Are you just making up people now

[iron spear]

There is Underwater in the demo!

[quartz cave]

Thats so based....

Did i predict the final boss of the game

[opaque sigil]

not water levels there goes my roc hype

[iron spear]

Roc can breath Underwater

None of this need air bullshit

[quartz cave]

Wtf tammid and the mid opinions???

[quartz cave]

BASED????????

Thats so fucking based

[opaque sigil]

I'm nothing if not consistent

[fiery burrow]

I've seen two good water levels

Like, ever

[quartz cave]

Really depends imo

[barren sequoia]

How bouyant would hornet be

The knight is extremely bouyant