sk-discussion

[south stone]

the game will be better than the trailer show i guess

[south stone]

hollow knight did the same

in the trailer looks like shit, the old ones are so bad

but the game is perfect, my favorite game at the moment

[wooden schooner]

Anyway I hope they didn't forget the hornet dlc with silksong developement

[tight grove]

Is this a joke

[wooden schooner]

Yes

[south stone]

what?

i almost died thinking is not a joke

[wooden schooner]

No but

[tight grove]

about to say silksong is the hornet dlc they just decided to do more with it

[south stone]

i guess silksong will have dlc too but, like 1 year after release because team cherry gotta be so tired

[little bluff]

Is silksong before or after hollow knight

[wooden schooner]

Silksong started as a paid DLC achieved through a kickstarter goal for the few who dont know

[tight grove]

I think after

[south stone]

no one knows

but in steam it says sequel

not prequel

[little bluff]

Will Knight be probably dead?

[wooden schooner]

Chances of yes

[tight grove]

So then it's after the events of HK

[south stone]

yes, i guess hornet dies too in the ss ends

[olive bobcat]

Sequel as in second game

[little bluff]

[olive bobcat]

Likely a chronological sequel tho

[south stone]

yes, thats i think it is but with unique lore

[high hedge]

You have to say sequel

[little bluff]

We can't ever be happy when it comes to the lore right

[south stone]

i dont care, i just want this shit in my hands lol

[high hedge]

People get mad when you say prequel

[olive bobcat]

No actually the lore is the same as Hollow Knight

This is because Hornet is a vessel and all vessels' stories are the same

[south stone]

i guess not

[little bluff]

Must be sad
At lore level

[south stone]

pharloom is way too diferent

[little bluff]

At gameplay it must be great but maybe not a happy ending I presume

[south stone]

its not a dead kingdonm

[south stone]

like hollow knight

[little bluff]

I still don't get what was knights purpose

[south stone]

will be fun because hornet talk, every attack she SHAW

[high hedge]

Actually every ending involves Hornet getting happily married

[little bluff]

If there was a pure vessel already

[wooden schooner]

Contain radiance

[south stone]

bro, the vessel is broken

he need to change place with him

[surreal remnant]

pk made all the vessels at once, hoping one would be physically strong enough to make it out of the abyss

[little bluff]

Oh

[south stone]

if the vessel is pure, the infection dint come back

[surreal remnant]

there was no plans to replace the vessel

[wooden schooner]

But then PK cared for his child

[south stone]

because the pure vessel has feelings and this make him broken

[wooden schooner]

Idiot

[little bluff]

So does the infection goes away forever after the ending?

[surreal remnant]

didn’t cause impurity, that’s a demonstration of THK’s impurity

[south stone]

yes

[wooden schooner]

Which ending

[olive bobcat]

imo if I were in the Black Egg things would end up differently

[little bluff]

Pure vessel I presume

[south stone]

yes, in all of them i guess

[surreal remnant]

no, tk is impure, so in every ending where tk replaces thk the infection comes back

[little bluff]

Um the one where Godseeker has the delicate flower

[cerulean sable]

ofc they still find a way to victimize themselves

[surreal remnant]

in the endings where tk kills rad, the infection never comes back

[cerulean sable]

this is so fucking funny

this community is unironically garbage

[little bluff]

Isn't the knight we play with hollow and without emotions? How is he impure

[olive bobcat]

Banned for posting SS subreddit

[south stone]

yes, we are the perfect vessel

[surreal remnant]

all vessels are hollow, that’s a physical characteristic
but tk also isn’t pure, since tk has a will of its own

[little bluff]

Wait actually I think he isn't hollow at all since he helps others and stuff

[surreal remnant]

there aren’t any confirmed pure vessels

[little bluff]

Oh so will is the key there

[wooden schooner]

Average hollow knight mod when no one was rambling on silksong :

[surreal remnant]

though it’s not impossible a pure vessel exists, it doesn’t make literary sense

[south stone]

i guess we are because think, we dont get feelings, all us friends die and we just dont care

we just walk and walk

i guess it is

[surreal remnant]

we are not, tk definitely has a will of its own

tk is impure

thk is impure

[little bluff]

Hk had feelings but ended up being the vessel at the egg anyways

[south stone]

so

big ass jim> knight

[surreal remnant]

pk had no way to judge a vessels purity

[wooden schooner]

TK really shows choice and intellect, as seen in its map making skills

[little bluff]

And what's the meaning of the path of pain cutscene? Is it the knight we play with there

[south stone]

it shows when the pure vessel gets feelings with the king

[surreal remnant]

no, that’s young thk having a bond with pk, a demonstration of the vessels impurity

[wooden schooner]

Maybe THK was never pure since it looked back before going with PK

[tight grove]

the queen

[brittle garnet]

i think vessel purity probably has more to do with having personal desires, rather than literally no mind of its own

since that's what the radiance usually targets

[surreal remnant]

thk was never pure, a pure vessel could not become impure

[wooden schooner]

But the idea instilled

[surreal remnant]

mind, with no will
that’s the requirements for purity

[little bluff]

But didnt he had bigger horns according to who we see in the abyss cutscene

[wooden schooner]

How did this idea be instilled

[south stone]

but guys i have something more interesting to say

[surreal remnant]

the fact it has the capacity to have an idea instilled means thk was impure

[south stone]

think, so much people incluiding me wants godhome in silksong

[brittle garnet]

i personally think the reason THK was impure is because it believed and wanted to fulfill its role as the saviour of hallownest

[wooden schooner]

Hmmm I get your idea

[surreal remnant]

same size horns in the abyss cutscene and the pop cutscene

[little bluff]

Oh

[surreal remnant]

thk was never pure

[brittle garnet]

maybe

[surreal remnant]

a pure vessel could not become impure

[tight grove]

Zamasu was pure

[little bluff]

What's the void anyways?

[brittle garnet]

probably

[surreal remnant]

if a pure vessel could become impure, purity loses all meaning

[wooden schooner]

Crack the vessel idk

Like I can stain pure water

[ashen cobalt]

sentient goop

[brittle garnet]

i'm just saying what the particular idea rad latched onto is

[surreal remnant]

material, with a weird will thing

[wooden schooner]

Doesn't mean the water was never pure

[little bluff]

Do we get to know how the pale king died?

[wooden schooner]

In his dream ig

[tight grove]

I hope skong can fill in some of the gaps of the lore in HK

[brittle garnet]

I personally think void is kinda like a microbe/mold, like a slime mold but magic

[south stone]

but it will not be probably because godhome is in godseekers head, and we need dream nail power to get in, in pharloom we dont have any type of magic

[wooden schooner]

Like he just shed his mortality

[surreal remnant]

purity literally requires the vessel to be able to hold the radiance indefinitely, if that can end it has no meaning at all

[surreal remnant]

gave up on life

[little bluff]

Oh

[south stone]

so we cant enter godhome in silksong, maybe have somewhere similary to god home

[wooden schooner]

Maybe the PK stained his creation

[surreal remnant]

not possible

[little bluff]

And what void does to others

[tight grove]

Just like HK bro just stabbed himself

[brittle garnet]

i don't think we'll see anything of godhome in silksong, nor do i want to

[wooden schooner]

Yes possible it's a god ???

[surreal remnant]

you can’t make a pure vessel impure

[wooden schooner]

Yes you can stain something

Like the seal was never meant to be broken and yet

[surreal remnant]

if a pure vessel could become impure, then rad could corrupt a pure vessel, meaning it fails to meet the requirements of a pure vessel, meaning purity loses all meaning

[brittle garnet]

What he's saying is that a pure vessel would be immune to being stained

[little bluff]

Wait wait apparently on the whole story the actual protagonists are thk
Where does knight even comes from? Wasn't he not supposed to be there? Since every other vessel we see is dead

[olive bobcat]

What gaps you thinkin

[wooden schooner]

Purity isn't immuability

[surreal remnant]

if something was truly pure, it lacks the ability to even become impure

[surreal remnant]

it has to be to have any meaning at all

[ashen cobalt]

theres a clip of a moss mother fight and hornet has her aoe ability which in the demo at least you dont have before fighting moss mother which makes me think that either there are multiple moss mother fights, or there is a way to refight bosses

[cunning geode]

isn’t this the point of the path of pain ending cutscene

[olive bobcat]

Was probably just with a dev mode on or smth

[surreal remnant]

the pop cutscene is a demonstration of the vessels impurity, not the root cause

[surreal remnant]

tk escaped the abyss

[cunning geode]

yeah it’s not the cause

[surreal remnant]

there’s a hidden exit somewhere on the z axis

[brittle garnet]

well to be honest that depends on how radiance operates - if she needs to target ideas already present in the mind and can't just say anything she wants, then it can be possible for a pure vessel to exist and then become tainted by developing a desire

[manic abyss]

You know a lot
perhaps because you played it hmmmmmmm? I mean it's obvious you have, how else would those definitely real leaks come into existence

[cunning geode]

what even is the debate here this is another cyclical discussion isn’t it

[ashen cobalt]

we see a lot of vessels in deepnest where you fight nost, and there is void influence near there so maybe through somewhere in deepnest

[rose zinc]

they could've changed when you get that ability

[surreal remnant]

if you have an infinite amount of time with a pure vessel with the ability to become impure, rad will be able to corrupt it in some way

[ashen cobalt]

yeah but why would you get it right at the start of the game where moss mother is

[olive bobcat]

No no no I totally never played SS

[surreal remnant]

making it not pure to begin with

[little bluff]

Why are every other vessels dead but not knight? Makes it looks like he wasn't supposed to b there

[wooden schooner]

It's the chosen creation of a god among thousands maybe millions of attempts I think it's rather clear it was pure at first but lost its edge to me even if your interpretation is logical

[surreal remnant]

tk just escaped, and isn’t confirmed to be the only one alive

[manic abyss]

sure you haven't
btw how far in are you in Wano? Still on Act 2?

[surreal remnant]

it wasn’t, white lady confirms its purity was ill judged

[brittle garnet]

I think it's more likely that when the first trailer was recorded, ability progression wasn't implemented yet so they just got to moss mother via developer tools

[olive bobcat]

Yeah, been busy with finals

[brittle garnet]

the method of choosing is implied to be whichever climbs out of the pit first

[surreal remnant]

plus pk didn’t even really chose it, it was most likely just the first one up

[cunning geode]

wow they’re so bad at their own game they needed dev tools to get to the first boss…

[wooden schooner]

Please show me the exact line, for I only remember the idea instilled one

[manic abyss]

I see
I have like 46 episodes of the anime left

[brittle garnet]

it's the same line
"I implore you, usurp the Vessel. Its supposed strength was ill-judged. It was tarnished by an idea instilled. But you. You are free of such blemishes. You could contain that thing inside."

[wooden schooner]

Oh

[sick elm]

White Lady - General - After picking up White Fragment

Within my roots, the weakening of the Vessel I plainly feel. Only two obvious outcomes there are from such a thing.
The first is inevitable on current course, regression, all minds relinquished to that pernicious plague.
The second I find preferable, and would seek your aid in its occurance, replacement.
I implore you, usurp the Vessel. Its supposed strength was ill-judged. It was tarnished by an idea instilled. But you. You are free of such blemishes. You could contain that thing inside.

@irohlikestea used /npcs misc name: White Lady category: General dialogue: After picking up White Fragment

[wooden schooner]

Are these gods dumb af

[surreal remnant]

it was their last hope

[brittle garnet]

they're not really gods

[surreal remnant]

they had no better option

[brittle garnet]

not in the sense gods are perceived in the real world

[wooden schooner]

Higher beings idk

[surreal remnant]

they’re gods little g

[wooden schooner]

Top Gs

[little bluff]

I see
Are vessels made with void? Their limbs are all dark and simmilar

[brittle garnet]

they're more similar to gods from older mythologies

[wooden schooner]

Also thanks for showing me

Ye they're plain dumb

[nimble radish]

those are gods you know

[surreal remnant]

the visible black bits (not the eyes) are shell, not void
but yes vessels are made of void

[brittle garnet]

yeah but the connotations of the word god change depending on what religion is the most prolific.

[nimble radish]

Unn created multiple species, Radiance created both the infection and the moths
they have god level abilities

[wooden schooner]

You take a shell, fill it with void do top g magic and boom

[surreal remnant]

Unn and Rad are both higher beings, yes

[brittle garnet]

I'm saying they're nothing like the christian god

[surreal remnant]

more like you throw eggs into the abyss and wait a little bit

[crisp pelican]

So is zote

[little bluff]

Who controls lifeblood?

[surreal remnant]

unknown

[brittle garnet]

they're not ethereal, omnipotent or omniscient

[nimble radish]

thank you, I'm glad you're here to confirm that everything I say is right

[wooden schooner]

Did you play the game or do you just ask questions

[ashen cobalt]

dunno, but that void lifeblood beast thing probably has something to do with it

[surreal remnant]

unsubstantiated

[crisp pelican]

What about Joni

[nimble radish]

it's a maybe

[surreal remnant]

given joni legit dies to it, i highly doubt it

[crisp pelican]

The lifeblood beast is seen in the abyss and godhome, so it has to be at least close to a higher being

[wooden schooner]

Joni guilty gear

[surreal remnant]

not really

[little bluff]

So there's a chance that on ss we might see other vessels that can actually talk

[surreal remnant]

doubt it

[wooden schooner]

Might is a big word

[nimble radish]

eh, we don't know how powerful you have to be to count as a higher being
only that PK, WL and Rad are them

[surreal remnant]

tc said they didn’t want to tie to heavily to hk

[wooden schooner]

But would be a cool easter egg

[crisp pelican]

How do we know the white lady is a higher being?

[wooden schooner]

Imagine vessels are pests in other countries when they ran off

[brittle garnet]

i think vessels cannot talk

[nimble radish]

team cherry said she is one, along with pk and rad
reddit ama

[wooden schooner]

Because she serves too much

[crisp pelican]

Oh cool

[brittle garnet]

or make any sounds

[little bluff]

But isn't hornet one?

[brittle garnet]

no

[wooden schooner]

No

[ashen cobalt]

i doubt it, if silksong is a prequel, the vessels might not exist yet, and if its a sequel, they might all be dead so

[nimble radish]

if hornet exists so do the vessels

[wooden schooner]

Chat is hornet void

[sick elm]

Charm: Kingsoul

Holy charm symbolising a union between higher beings. The bearer will slowly absorb the limitless SOUL contained within.

Opens the way to a birthplace.

@irohlikestea used /charms category: B-K charm: Kingsoul

[surreal remnant]

no

[wooden schooner]

Joke

[crisp pelican]

They were considered closer to pure if they had "no voice to cry suffering", so some of them could probably talk

[nimble radish]

she was created as part of the vessel project, it was Pk's deal with herrah for her to become a dreamer

[ashen cobalt]

true actually

[brittle garnet]

Silksong isn't a prequel anyways

[lone crown]

Not prequel VS sequel…

What is this, 2020?

[brittle garnet]

No i think they cannot talk due to their internal organs being replaced with void

[lone crown]

Its a sequel though

[surreal remnant]

there’s nothing to suggest they lack the ability to speak, with plenty to suggest they do have the ability to speak

[little bluff]

Silksong can be not too long after hk events right

[brittle garnet]

excuse me?

this is false

[crisp pelican]

Their brains weren't always replaced by void either considering they sometimes had a mind to think

[ashen cobalt]

it could be as long after the events of hk as team cherry wants it to be

[wooden schooner]

I mean tk can interact but speak ?

[ashen cobalt]

or before for that matter

[lone crown]

I believe they are going to be vague in terms of what ending the game follows, unsure
Also the reaction was a fat-finger my bad

[brittle garnet]

remember that when Pure Vessel "roars" it makes no sound

[surreal remnant]

what, some already vague statement from pk that’s filled with metaphor and non-literal statements

[surreal remnant]

i mean PV was trying its damn best to be pure

[crisp pelican]

Meaningful contribution: pure vessel had cut dream nail dialogue like "don't think... don't want..."

[surreal remnant]

non-canon

[brittle garnet]

yeah but we also never hear other vessels make a noise

[surreal remnant]

i mean we don’t see many vessels

[crisp pelican]

Doesn't the hollow knight scream every time you brake a seal

[brittle garnet]

that's the radiance's roar

[nimble radish]

it's a deliberate choice to have them not speak though
if their phsyiology allows them to speak, something else is stopping them

[little bluff]

If the knight could talk what do you think would be his sound

[surreal remnant]

the void replicates the internal organs, and collector is able to speak, and there’s nothing the collector has that the vessels lack

[crisp pelican]

The radiance roars during her fight and it doesn't sound that similar

[ashen cobalt]

well it cant so

[little bluff]

Yeah if he could

[brittle garnet]

i think they are unable to speak, and that's the most likely scenario

[surreal remnant]

not really

[little bluff]

Hypothetically

[ashen cobalt]

we really have no way to know that since the knight cant talk

even hypothetically

[crisp pelican]

If any vessels could talk while still being pure it couldn't be any except for the hollow knight, since they were all placed in the abyss before hatching and couldn't learn hallowspeak

[surreal remnant]

good thing none of the vessels are pure

[little bluff]

So we must be creative and make it ourselves

[nimble radish]

not an issue of learning the language, they understand it fine

[ashen cobalt]

the knight will never learn how to shaw 😔

[surreal remnant]

tk evidently understands hallowspeak just fine

[crisp pelican]

We should move this to hk lore

[brittle garnet]

i mean the knight has traveled outside of hallownest so it has a good chance of picking up a language

[brittle garnet]

but it doesn't matter. I don't think it's reasonable to think they can speak given what we know

[crisp pelican]

I wonder if we're ever going to see how our knight and the broken vessel escaped

[surreal remnant]

we almost certainly aren’t

[brittle garnet]

there were other tunnels out of the abyss, most likely

we see many vessels in Nosk's lair so the exit is probably near deepnest

[ashen cobalt]

crawled through the mouths at the abyss shriek thing

[crisp pelican]

Maybe it has something to do with the collector's partner getting voidy from being together too long or something like that

[surreal remnant]

collector can speak, and there’s nothing the collector has that the vessels lack

[nimble radish]

the reason they could speak is that vocalization is possible for void creatures
I would still say vessel physiology is different enough to collector though

[crisp pelican]

This is the slugcat biology conversation of hollow knight

[surreal remnant]

if anything, the vessel biology is more compatible with speech than the collector’s

[wooden schooner]

I want to eat

[nimble radish]

slugcats don't have biology

[little bluff]

Guys I'm getting to the wall part on trial of the fools wish me luck

[brittle garnet]

they are also fundamentally different beings, created differently

[ashen cobalt]

mmm hollow knight biology yumm

[crisp pelican]

Ooo good luck

[wooden schooner]

Biology ?

It's goop

Like void goop

[ashen cobalt]

goop in a biological shell it still counts

[brittle garnet]

but tbh we don't know anything about how Kingsmolds are created, not the details at least

[surreal remnant]

doubt pk gave them complicated systems of internal organs

[nimble radish]

that's from the love key bug, yes

[crisp pelican]

How did a tree and a fork even reproduce bro 😭

[surreal remnant]

the vessels’ void organs are a product of the vessels having preexisting organs prior to voiding

[brittle garnet]

we know that Soul can make sound, so maybe that's how collector speaks, or it somehow duplicated the love key bug's vocal organs

[ashen cobalt]

"life finds a way" - that guy from that one movie

[nimble radish]

collector actually doesn't have soul

[brittle garnet]

"void organs" is a made up term

[wooden schooner]

Vorgans

[ashen cobalt]

dont say vorgans

[crisp pelican]

You don't get soul from hitting the collector though. There isn't a single smidge of soul in the entire tower besides inside the trapped insects

[little bluff]

YES I GOT PAST IT

[wooden schooner]

Vorgan Vreeman

[brittle garnet]

that's fair

[crisp pelican]

HURRAY

[nimble radish]

I would say it's speech is the love key bug's voice imprinted into the void yeah
but pk children could have voices too that imprinted onto the vessels, no?

[surreal remnant]

so the collector could retroactively develop a voice box from the love key bug, but the vessels couldn’t get a voice box from the literal body the void inhabits

[brittle garnet]

though i always assumed that the reason void is dangerous is because it drains soul

[surreal remnant]

not really, it likes absorbing minds

[nimble radish]

the main risk is the slashing tendrils of death

[little bluff]

God tamer is near

[surreal remnant]

it also rips you to shreds with the void sea

[little bluff]

Hopefully I won't choke

[crisp pelican]

@little bluff remember to only focus on the beast

[brittle garnet]

the method of how vessels came to be is different from the collector, so maybe

[fiery burrow]

Both were imprinted which is really all that matters

[surreal remnant]

so an unsubstantiated differentiation that honestly doesn’t make logical sense is your reasoning

[brittle garnet]

i guess vessels were just not imprinted with the ability to speak

idfk how the shade works

[surreal remnant]

how or why?

[crisp pelican]

Do yall think the void, godseeker, and delicate flower are a rock paper scissors situation?

[fiery burrow]

The shades literally make sound

[surreal remnant]

the vessels would’ve had the vocal organs prior to the void

[strange night]

No

[brittle garnet]

they make a sound but i wouldn't call it a voice

[ashen cobalt]

who beats the delicate flower

[crisp pelican]

They didn't finish forming in the egg before the void took them though

[strange night]

Then why does hornet have a voice

[surreal remnant]

them making sounds but lacking the thought required for complex speech would probably be due to their faded imprints

[surreal remnant]

not a vessel

[crisp pelican]

That's the only thing I'm not sure of. I don't know if godseeker beats the flower, because both make sense and don't make sense

[surreal remnant]

doubt they were particularly underdeveloped

[little bluff]

The patte4ns

She's here

[surreal remnant]

don’t see why they’d have a preemie vessel

[brittle garnet]

we don't know

[ashen cobalt]

i dont think you could make a rock paper scissors for hollow knight if you include the delicate flower because it kinda beats out everything

[surreal remnant]

extrapolation is entirely possible with the given information

[brittle garnet]

void by itself can make noises

so i don't think shades making noises is due to them being able to speak

[strange night]

Beats everything other than getting hit by a fucking aspid

[surreal remnant]

eh, i’d argue it’s the dispersed essence doing that

[strange night]

Vessels can't talk because they don't have a mouth, boom, problem solved

[brittle garnet]

so true

[surreal remnant]

nothing suggests they don’t

[strange night]

Their design does lmao

[crisp pelican]

Do we know what happens to the godseeker when the delicate flower touches her? Does she teleport somewhere safe, somewhere dangerous, does she die, is it a dream, etc?

[ashen cobalt]

hornet doesnt have a visible mouth either, and also the collector doesnt too

[fiery burrow]

Zote:

[surreal remnant]

cornifer notes a lack of a nose, but makes no such statement about a mouth

[fiery burrow]

Artstyle generally doesn't include mouths unless they are being used

[nimble radish]

yes, zote, the character with the visible mouth

[strange night]

Ah yes, zote, my favorite vessel

[fiery burrow]

He's in fungal wastes talking about the scent

[coarse leaf]

thats more just the art style. hornet and pale king also have no mouth in their sprites

[fiery burrow]

He doesn't talk about the lack of eyes either

[coarse leaf]

they'd just look extremely weird with mouths drawn

[strange night]

Yeah I'm meming

[ashen cobalt]

that looks like a mouth to me

[crisp pelican]

That's in the sewers isn't it

[fiery burrow]

No

[surreal remnant]

vessels have at least the function of eyes

[fiery burrow]

He doesn't know that

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-judgeeyes-yakuza-smoke-gif-22796470

[nimble radish]

those eye holes are a thing other people have

[surreal remnant]

i mean tk is able to get around just fine

[wooden schooner]

I want

[strange night]

What lack of eyes

[surreal remnant]

i doubt corny would assume tk is blind and just not mention it

[coarse leaf]

every version of TK is personalised to the player.

[wooden schooner]

ThreadNoise

[ashen cobalt]

the most obscure hk lore, the knight is actually a dolphin and gets around using echolocation

[little bluff]

109% conclusion. What next? Did pantheon 2 and 3

[strange night]

P4

[wooden schooner]

Golden

[little bluff]

And the other 2%?

[nimble radish]

dolphins do have eyes, I cannot stress the amount that dolphins do in fact have eyes

[little bluff]

Haven't beaten nkg tho

[strange night]

I dunno what else you're missing lolmao

[crisp pelican]

Maybe impure ones, but eyes send signals to the brain for it to use information, and it has to do that with a mind. Not to mention the eye holes are (as seen in the opening cutscene) fake black holes plastered on the mask

[strange night]

That's one then

[little bluff]

Oh nvm imma look it up

[surreal remnant]

a pure vessel would have a mind

[brittle garnet]

i just think it makes more sense to say that vessels can't speak given that we never hear one speak, we hear "no voice to cry suffering" and we know their heads are empty shells filled with only void, rather than assume they can but don't because ???

[little bluff]

Guess it's all bosses defeated as 1%

[coarse leaf]

the only dolphin fun fact i know is that they sleep with an eye open and i know nothing else about them

[crisp pelican]

Still more likely than zote being a vessel

[ashen cobalt]

the knight is a dolphin that doesnt have eyes

[coarse leaf]

TK sleeps with both eyes open hence they are not a dolphin

[crisp pelican]

They get high off of pufferfish for fun

[strange night]

Bosses themselves count as %s lmao

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ultraman-ace-ultraman-meme-ultraman-funny-gif-23414688

[nimble radish]

hello there strange bug man

[grand ferry]

who that

[wooden schooner]

Also did you know I'm only here to shout my joy when we'll get ss news and I intend to leave whe the game launches so I don't get spoiled

[strange night]

Ultraman

[crisp pelican]

Pale king describes the pure vessel with no mind to think

[surreal remnant]

non-literal

a pure vessel has to put the radiance somewhere

[strange night]

None of you know the lore, that's the solution to this problem

[cunning geode]

pale king was reciting his daily affirmations

[surreal remnant]

and rad only exists in the dream realm

[ashen cobalt]

this channel is either going to get super active, or die completely when ss actually releases

[cunning geode]

definitely the former

[modest night]

hoping it dies 🙏

[nimble radish]

although the dream realm is not only minds
there are areas outside of minds

[crisp pelican]

When silksong releases, this channel will have several people typing at all times for weeks I'm sure

[nimble radish]

like the place the dreamers send the knight

[cunning geode]

but i expect it won’t be active with regulars and instead lots of new people

[ashen cobalt]

yeah im not coming back until i know everything

[strange night]

I have a feeling it's gonna die a little for like a week as people play it and then bump up in activity when people have beaten it and have things to say

[nimble radish]

or the shrine of believers

[surreal remnant]

exception, not the norm

[little bluff]

I have no money to buy silksong so I'll be out of the internet until I play it

[coarse leaf]

the next generation 😨

[surreal remnant]

plus rad explicitly requires a mind to exist in

[strange night]

Then there can be an exception for the vessels too

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232587540719206400/1223457044003295324/markifire.gif

[little bluff]

It's been ages since I have played a game without always following a wiki and doing things my way

[strange night]

If there's one exception why can't there be another

[crisp pelican]

Soo many people will come asking for help and answers. And people will share their attempts on bosses and cool crest discoveries

[modest night]

i think you all should come up with crackpot theories about silksong if you wanna talk about it..

[surreal remnant]

that area where tk gets trapped is probably due to some essence tying it to the physical realm

[modest night]

wait that's markiplier?????????

[strange night]

HORNET BECOMES VOID IN SILKSONG TO DEFEAT ZOTE THE MIGHTY

[cunning geode]

yeah he died…

[little bluff]

Is hollow knight 100% discovered? Like content based

[surreal remnant]

yes

has been for years

[ashen cobalt]

has been since about two weeks after it released

[strange night]

Genuinely what are you talking about

[little bluff]

How much time did it take

2 WEEKS??

[wooden schooner]

If we do that the mods will appear to say were the worst scum that has ever roamed this earth

[ashen cobalt]

actualyl longer than that idk

[wooden schooner]

And then leave chat

[surreal remnant]

what are you confused about?

[ashen cobalt]

that was hyperbole

[modest night]

nah you're not in hk lore you're good

[strange night]

It has been for a long long time

[little bluff]

Guys can we add skins into hollow knight ps4? Wanted the mantis one

[cunning geode]

you’re conflating Water with all other mods

[surreal remnant]

no

[coarse leaf]

literally no good theory has been cooked in this server ever since that nailmaster being kids of ogrim and isma theory me ajd some rando created in hk disc in like 2021-22 (i forgor) that i still rember because my brain refuses to forget it.

[ashen cobalt]

no mods are only on pc

[coarse leaf]

ss disc will never be great unless it has a worthy successor to me

[crisp pelican]

You want an insane theory? So ridiculously unprobable, and so extremely unconfirmed and insensible that you would not believe someone could suggest it? Well. If you really want it so bad. A theory so unbelievably stupid and weirdly formed and thought that you may suffer for weeks at the thought of a thought... here it is.

Hornet is void

[surreal remnant]

what about my theory about the void’s will being dispersed essence

[wooden schooner]

Ma'am the last time a mod spoke here it was to post a reddit screenshot and say "this community is the worst"

[strange night]

No

[young saffron]

Hello sonia

[modest night]

bestie that's so boring :(

[modest night]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[little bluff]

[crisp pelican]

Is there any proof of this theory

[brittle garnet]

ok so i think basically it's all a higher being's fault again

[coarse leaf]

this is more nerdy than crackpot

[surreal remnant]

rude

[ashen cobalt]

im gonna take a page out of matpat's book, so my theory is that at the end of silksong it will be revealed that hornet is actually the pale king

[coarse leaf]

i wrote the lore of hollow knight so everything i say is true

[surreal remnant]

no

[strange night]

Not rude, just true

[crisp pelican]

Okay, pharloom is located BENEATH hallownest, under the void, under the abyss, so dang deep that only its own trapped residents know of it, and they love bells so much because they're trying to signal to the outside that they need help

[surreal remnant]

no

[cunning geode]

i have a theory

[crisp pelican]

BRUH

[strange night]

Hornet is going to become a hornet in silksong

[ashen cobalt]

i bet the reason they like bells so much is becuase they're addicted to minecraft and are stealing all the bells from all the villages

[crisp pelican]

Trye

Bells

[wooden schooner]

OK hear me out
Pharloom is far away and it's in the form of a giant spire that looms over the horizon zero dawn forbidden West

[crisp pelican]

I gtg guys more shaw later

[wooden schooner]

And you must slay this spire

[nimble radish]

it's just horizon forbidden west

zero dawn is the name of the first game

[steep night]

I'm so sorry chat but lace wields a PIN and Hornet wields a NEEDLE. Where is the 7 chapter fan-fic called "Pins and Needles" I'm so sorry I have shipping brain rot

[coarse leaf]

also that aint getting close to whatever the fuck this is

[strange night]

Nuh uh

[deep laurel]

Pharloom will have an area to the left called Kingdom's Edge

[modest night]

be the change you want to see in the world

[wooden schooner]

Have you not seen that the world is always dark ? There's no dawn

[ashen cobalt]

someone trademark pins and needles right now

[steep night]

I literally might 😢

[modest night]

go for it i support your shipping endeavors

[ashen cobalt]

always have been

[strange night]

I'm going to kill all of you

[nimble radish]

people still talking about hornet x lace rather than the infinitely superior ship
iselda x shakra

[silver oak]

Any silkers in chat

[strange night]

I'm silking all over

[cunning geode]

gone fishing

[wooden quest]

Hello chat

[nimble radish]

begone, for we are discussing matters of great import

[modest night]

hiiiiii

[brittle garnet]

[wooden schooner]

OK but maybe silksong took inspiration from botw to Cook enemy parts to eat

[cunning geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/232587540719206400/1235829013092761600/wizerd.gif

[strange night]

I silk my song til I pharloom

[young saffron]

are we all feeling like

[silver oak]

I gotta say my line

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cute-upset-reverse-reversed-gif-27578623

[wooden schooner]

She laces on my hornet til I silk

[strange night]

Breath of the wild was not the first game to have cooking in it

[wooden quest]

How are we hoiding today

[wooden schooner]

Yes but cooking monsters ???

Like in dungeon meshi

Peak autism rep

[strange night]

Botw was a great game but holy shit people give it too much credit

[brittle garnet]

Laios is literally me

[ashen cobalt]

yeah everyone knows it was cooking mama 2

[young saffron]

Please send any help, I am fucking cooking

[wooden schooner]

It's a joke legobiwan

[steep night]

This actually outside of my shipper brainrot has lore implications. Spiders are often pinned down with pins for silk so I think it's a nice thematic tie in considering how lace is trying to stop hornet. It also kind of shows that lace might eventually, despite not trying to, get hornet captured in the citadel and harvested of her silk considering that's what pins do. Team Cherry actually is so smart I appreciate her having a pin so much omg

[wooden schooner]

You can Cook brother

[modest night]

he's cooler than you...... sorry ........

[brittle garnet]

wtf Sonia how could you

[cunning geode]

actually YOU'RE so smart

[wooden quest]

Dungeon meshi my beloved

[tight grove]

I heard your depression is strong

[steep night]

Thank you. I try to do so.

[wooden quest]

Nuh uh he’s me

[ashen cobalt]

the only decent silksong theory in this channel

[modest night]

i love shippers 💯 🔥

you all be more like her and extrapolate neat observations

[wooden quest]

I love discussing shipping routes and the trade winds

[stable sparrow]

How many people heard the silksong is coming late 2024

[exotic vine]

Too many

[nimble radish]

laios is the man I want to be

[ashen cobalt]

roughly 8 billion

[cunning geode]

isnt that from the fake tweet about ari's medication that somehow people believe

[steep night]

Silksong is being announced in june

They told me

Trust.

[brittle garnet]

actually silksong was announced in february

[ashen cobalt]

hornet herself told me that its releasing in september (no she didnt i am lying)

[wooden schooner]

This chat is the equivalent of the chimp writing shakespeare. A sole good theory after months of nonsense

[silver oak]

Ari’s meds?

[steep night]

😭

[modest night]

honestly i feel like people are scared of having unique thoughts and hide under 10 layers of irony and bad jokes

[strange night]

Fake tweet where leth said it's delayed because Ari is off his meds

[modest night]

bad youtube lore culture and all idk........

[silver oak]

[exotic vine]

Wake up sheeple 🗣️ there has not been any news on the release date 😮 stop letting yourselves be convinced of release dates with no evidence ‼️ ‼️

[cunning geode]

yeahhhh its bad taste joke the strange part is people believing it

[wooden schooner]

I will fart the square root of silksong release date trust me

[modest night]

or are just very young i suppose

[silver oak]

I think it’s more that almost everyone here doesn’t actually care about silksong speculation atp

[ashen cobalt]

is it 0?

[strange night]

I'm going to stub your toe

[exotic vine]

Oh shit this might be real

[wooden schooner]

This statement is more correct than everything youll see on twitter and reddit combined

And you know it

[brittle garnet]

i think my biggest contribution to Silksong lore is suggesting that ass jim is a candlemaker
and flowers in pipes but that doesn't have enough support until the game releases and i'm proven right

[nimble radish]

what do you think is the producer at the base of silksong's food chain, like obviously those moss plants
but what are they
are they photosythesizing?

[wooden schooner]

In a cave ?

[cunning geode]

theyre green so yes they're photosynthesizing most likely

[wooden schooner]

More line grotto

[silver oak]

Light bugs

[brittle garnet]

i mean there's plenty of light there

[wooden schooner]

Ye true

[silver oak]

Really well placed caves

[brittle garnet]

hey do you think the reason that there's light in all these caves is because there is soul diffused into the air

[silver oak]

Stadium floodlights

[nimble radish]

well the light has to be coming from somewhere

[shell yacht]

Unns mosskin didnt have real sunlight either they were very green

[ashen cobalt]

if theyre green then we can use that to figure out what wavelengths of light soul gives off

[wooden schooner]

Unn cheat it's a higher being

[cunning geode]

i remember when i speculated... better times. but yeah i posited that the light in moss grotto was coming from the citadel itself, the city glowing so "radiantly" 👹 that the moss grows off of it down below

[stable sparrow]

My notifikations are blowing up because of you and it's funny

[plucky stag]

this image contains more than half of all humans on earth

[formal karma]

Good God get this one a degree

[silver oak]

Wdym by soul, like from HK?

[nimble radish]

well that's possible certainly

[fringe violet]

is the brightness slider canon

[shell yacht]

Unn created them, she didnt sustain them, theres no cheats for her green people

[formal karma]

Charms say you pull soul our of the air...

[wooden schooner]

Imagine it's from silk reflecting light

[brittle garnet]

i mean soul, the substance. We know it glows, we know it fuels all living beings, and we know it's present in the environment

[wooden schooner]

Silk being the equivalent of soul gameplay wise

[silver oak]

Hmm good theory

[nimble radish]

although I think the plants deriving their energy from a geothermal source, which is clearly present in adjacent areas, would fit well
if this were the case, plants could be the source of the light rather than the other way

[wooden schooner]

Silk can also be strung to transport noise

[nimble radish]

where is the soul coming from though

[wooden schooner]

Imagine if the song is carried by Silk

[strange night]

I fucking hate silksong

[silver oak]

Yeah who says plants have to work the same way they do in our universe

[brittle garnet]

when creatures die, the soul disperses into the environment, we kinda see it happen when you kill something in HK

[wooden schooner]

Like a silksong everywhere in pharloom

[cunning geode]

we havent seen the surface proper of this world yet... what if its just a semi-common occurrance to have pockets of lumaflies underground so bright they act as miniature suns for plantlife

[nimble radish]

so infinite cycle of soul, no external soul source at all?

[strange night]

Cite your sources

[silver oak]

Honestly I wonder if there even is a surface

Or if life evolved there at all

[cunning geode]

endless ant farm world

[plucky stag]

if silksong ever releases, how fast are you going to start calling your school/work/family/friends and telling them you'll be sick for the next few weeks

[wooden schooner]

Plot twist : it was all beneath my garden

[brittle garnet]

idk, it could be that soul comes from an external source, idk if when life is created the soul is as well, or if soul is recycled. It's a mystery.

[silver oak]

It could be a desolate wasteland where the conditions to evolve only occurred underground

[strange night]

I'm not going to call them, I'm just disappearing

[cunning geode]

see this is stuff i really wanna find out about in pharloom, the capacity for worldbuilding by putting the player in a totally different part of the hollow knight world is exciting

[nimble radish]

I like to think of soul as being generated by living things, and the energy to make soul comes from elsewhere

[plucky stag]

it's for this reason i'm opposed to the idea of a shadowdrop

[brittle garnet]

i wonder if soul comes from the dream world

[cunning geode]

or maybe the result... of a fallout new vegas

[brittle garnet]

or if it's wholly separate

[plucky stag]

i want some advanced notice so i can start planning my real world affairs around the impending release date

[strange night]

No

[wooden schooner]

What about the totems

[nimble radish]

for example, green plants (in hallownest) could be getting their energy from chemicals dissolved in the acid, like bacteria at oceanic vents

[silver oak]

I don’t think we’ll see the surface in silksong but yeah having two points of reference for this universe is gonna make for some interesting revelations methinks

[cunning geode]

thats a fun idea but they certainly wouldnt look that way if this were true

[strange night]

Inb4 pharloom is like a mile away

[shell yacht]

i hope theres no surface, i keep imagining an entire universe thats just a dirt ball full of bug colonies

[cunning geode]

who said it'll only be two 👹👹👹👹

[silver oak]

Secret third kingdom

[brittle garnet]

yeah this would make sense, though it seems like draining something's soul kill them, unless the corpses in soul sanctum were just produced by killing bugs and gathering the soul from their corpses. The fact that shamans and sanctum mages have to gather soul from external sources suggests to me that your own soul replenishes too slowly to be used for magic, or using your own soul for that is dangerous.

[strange night]

Zote origin story

[nimble radish]

well yeah, the green leaves wouldn't be any use for that
they'd have to be for something else if that were true

[fringe violet]

well there's some sort of atmosphere

[strange night]

He's from the super secret third kingdom

[brittle garnet]

yeah same

[shell yacht]

rocks can have air pockets

[ashen cobalt]

the air is just created by bacteria maybe

[steep night]

Radience is the sun???

[brittle garnet]

yeah, i'm so excited by this (especially since i'm part of a dev team for a hollow knight ttrpg so having an extra point of reference is huge)

[cunning geode]

in silksong if theres a secret tiny path that leads up higher and higher until you breach the surface and can see the top through a little opening and its just NOTHING across the entire horizon, that would be chilling and amazing

[fringe violet]

is air pockets enough to have this much wind

[strange night]

Yes

[shell yacht]

if a godlike being farted, yeah

[steep night]

Maybe the dream world provides life in some capacity

[cunning geode]

for prettiness!

[remote quest]

zaliant

[brittle garnet]

you know i had this idea for a game inspired by hk that i want to make eventually.

[steep night]

You get to the top and it's the ending of portal 2

[strange night]

That sounds dumb I think

[nimble radish]

depends on the size of the cave
wind is caused by difference in temperature and pressure no?

[silver oak]

I actually really love the opening cutscene for silksong, it really shows off their ability to worldbuild solely through the environment

[warped rock]

i doubt it, essence is ghosts and stuff

[nimble radish]

shrue

[remote quest]

it releaced ?

[strange night]

Yes

[ashen cobalt]

no, but we've seen the opening in trailers and the e3 demo

[brittle garnet]

the game, no

[silver oak]

Deadmau5 reference https://open.spotify.com/track/0KR5i46RXvDy8YzOZRvTAI?si=byWfbZfDSFeoP9YYEaoVpA

[remote quest]

i cant find it

[cunning geode]

how even

[warped rock]

what

[high hedge]

You will one day

[strange night]

I wonder why

[nimble radish]

I think you could say green leaves exist for the same reason mushroom caps do, to disperse spores

[warped rock]

oh my god it is

[brittle garnet]

the greenpath plants are green because Unn created them so

[shell yacht]

just for lols i hope a ton of stuff weve already seen is changed, like the og HK trailer

[nimble radish]

their colour could be because they're full of the stuff that makes acid green

[silver oak]

“We went back to stencyl sorry gang”

[ashen cobalt]

im living for this chlorophyll lore

[cunning geode]

silksong gonna look like fancypants adventure

[brittle garnet]

you know a thing i've been wondering about is all the fossils everywhere in HK. Makes you think all of this stuff used to be underwater. I'm thinking the same for silksong. Did all of those water themed areas use to be underwater?

[nimble radish]

speculative biology is literally the only kind of speculation I'm capable of

[cunning geode]

speculate a nice healthy dinner

[lament coyote]

You're living because of it

[brittle garnet]

is the coral in coral forest the remains of an underwater ecosystem, or was it always just above water

[ashen cobalt]

so true

[shell yacht]

on one hand that makes sense, on the other hand.
the jellyfish fly

[lament coyote]

We all do tbh

[ashen cobalt]

its coral with lungs

[nimble radish]

a lot of places used to be underwater irl
tectonic movements pushed them up out of the water
That's why you get ammonites in the himalayas

[brittle garnet]

they could have adapted as the water was disappearing

[silver oak]

Flooded areas are often those which are most fertile

[nimble radish]

I think that a similar upheaval event like that is possible

[brittle garnet]

also the presence of volcanic activity creates opportunities for life, too

[lament coyote]

This damn word "ammonites"...

[silver oak]

Yeah but that’s over literal tens of millions of years

[nimble radish]

for hallownest it's fine, it's full of fossils

[brittle garnet]

so is pharloom

[silver oak]

Large intact exposed fossils like some of the ones we see in HK would be unlikely

[brittle garnet]

true but it's not the real world

[nimble radish]

well that's what you see in hk too

[silver oak]

😱

Anyway volcanic activity is another interesting premise

[ashen cobalt]

omg pharloom is in iceland

[silver oak]

Explains Boneforest and offers an explanation as to why there’s so much life at the bottom of the kingdom

[strange night]

The lifeblood beast is hornet

[ashen cobalt]

thats how she got the syringe

[brittle garnet]

i wonder if the barnacles also used to be underwater

[nimble radish]

barnacles are another crustacean further proving TC should have kept the lobster

[silver oak]

On the other hand “giant cave in the rib cage of ancient massive skeleton” Is sick as hell

There was a lobster?

[midnight panther]

Hi chat

[nimble radish]

lobster lancer

[strange night]

His name was Larry

[nimble radish]

backer character that became god tamer

[silver oak]

Oh right

Have we ever seen actual trees in either game

[nimble radish]

isma, arguably

[silver oak]

Oh right and WL

I wanna know if Cherry grove in silksong is possible

[high hedge]

His name was Vegeta, a proud saiyan warrior.

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-vegeta-death-dragon-ball-z-gif-21145202

[brittle garnet]

only WL

i think trees don't exist in HK and it's a deliberate choice

[silver oak]

WL is a Cherry tree confirmed

[brittle garnet]

WL is even titled "Root"

the word "tree" never appears anywhere

[young saffron]

what the sigma

[strange night]

WL is confirmed to be a cherry tree

[ashen cobalt]

pale king is for sure a sigma male

[strange night]

WL is titled BAD

[warped rock]

the closest we get is "shellwood" whatever that is

[silver oak]

I mean it makes sense in a world of cramped tunnels

[fiery burrow]

Whispering Roots are described as trees but they clearly aren't the same trees we think of

[young saffron]

for an underground kingdom, green path and queens garden are done rly well

[storm knoll]

Their leaves are made of dreams

[strange night]

Guys who's your favorite member of the server

[brittle garnet]

described where

[strange night]

Mine is the one who sends their lunch in #hk-general every day

[brittle garnet]

in wanderer's journal?

[wide quartz]

me

[fiery burrow]

Yes

[wide quartz]

wait no

dyno

[crisp pelican]

Probably the guy that racks up the best hk memes each day

[crisp pelican]

Zote's nail is made of shellwood

Can't have wood without trees or something equivalent

[nimble radish]

well yeah but what makes the wood
could be clams 🤔

[brittle garnet]

you can have wood without trees

[deep laurel]

it's literally called shellwood

[nimble radish]

yeah which means it's from shells

obviously

[deep laurel]

yes

[fringe violet]

what's this made from? ah, yeah it's shellwood. what does the 'wood' part mean you ask? no idea

[deep laurel]

probably that it somehow was refined to have wood-like qualities

[ashen cobalt]

the shells get broken down to their fundamental elements and reformed into cellulose

[fringe violet]

if they made it to resemble wood then they know what actual wood is, and therefore there are trees around

[brittle garnet]

i mean plants other than trees can be woody

it's obvious

we see a lot of very large roots

[deep laurel]

it is probably to avoid confusion about the character size honestly

[fringe violet]

woody plants would be pretty much trees for HK characters

[deep laurel]

or trees would be trees

[nimble radish]

I think we established that we can't establish a definite size

[brittle garnet]

this is true but i'd rather chalk it up to the writers not knowing about it, since in-game they are not described as trees

the word tree does not appear in hollow knight ever

we also don't see any trees

[deep laurel]

and Ori 2 saw an opportunity there

[fringe violet]

I don't know about the significance of that since we know they get wood from somewhere

[nimble radish]

and I'm telling you that place is clams :wokeenemyfool:

[brittle garnet]

yes but as i said, they can get wood from plants other than trees, and we do see giant roots in several places, so i'd rather believe they get it from there

[fiery burrow]

I'm fairly certain Team Cherry proof read the book to catch errors

[brittle garnet]

Leth proof read the book iirc

so there could have certainly been an error in communication between team cherry and leth and the writers

[fringe violet]

if the roots are to give me a perspective on size of things then whether it's called a tree or some other woody plant doesn't matter much

[nimble radish]

the book canonizes pickles doesn't it

[fiery burrow]

Supposedly Ari and William also helped proof read
#sk-discussion message

[brittle garnet]

it does since trees are a specific kind of plant, one we don't see ever

[nimble radish]

well, it uses the word pickle in a different context

[warped rock]

silksong

[nimble radish]

can you give us a moment we're talking

[coarse leaf]

That's what I'M saying

[brittle garnet]

in the same sentence he also says he was once mistaken about something they said

[fiery burrow]

Well she isn't literally speaking english, its probably just an expression that neatly translates to "In a pickle"

[fiery burrow]

I don't think he had a false memory of Ari and William proof reading WJ though

[brittle garnet]

I think i'm gonna ask them if they do an AMA, but until then i'll keep believing that it's an error

[fiery burrow]

That he seems fairly confident about

[nimble radish]

assuming it's a translation of some other unknown language
which is usually what people do for fantasy stories because of tolkien
but it's not like definitely the case

[brittle garnet]

I just think that the HK setting is diminished the more similarities it has to the real world

[fiery burrow]

Bugs in HK don't speak english thats fairly certain. Just listen to them or read their tablets

[brittle garnet]

and we haven't seen anything resembling a tree other than a god creature and a magic plant connected to a separate realm

so this tells me that if anything, things resembling trees are supposed to be alien and unusual to residents of the world

[fiery burrow]

Well its clearly not a regular tree yeah

[fringe violet]

the whispering roots resemble trees enough

[fiery burrow]

Stuff in HK is a little different than stuff irl

So it being called a "Tree" isn't a massive error or something its just a word they use

[brittle garnet]

yeah but as far as we know, regular trees don't exist. We know trees from our world, but i don't think bugs in the world of HK know what a tree is

maybe depending where they live...

[shell yacht]

everythings a root bc its underground and they dont have leaves or fruit 🤓
isma closest thing to a tree frfr

[coarse leaf]

Don't you think it's a little crazy that some of the biggest entities in hollow knight are no more than like.. A foot tall

[brittle garnet]

i don't think that's the case

[coarse leaf]

They're bugs, aren't they? I get stuff is a bit weird but I like to think they're still small

[nimble radish]

knight is like 5 foot and hornet is like 6 foot

[brittle garnet]

I don't think the bugs in hk are tiny in relation to us, i rather think they are similar sized to us

[coarse leaf]

knight is 5 11 and hornet is 6

[shell yacht]

theres no size scaling, not even a measurement of any kind

[fiery burrow]

We can't tell so there's no use debating it

[coarse leaf]

The knight being 5 foot is SCARY DUDE

[nimble radish]

knight is definitely taller than you

[fringe violet]

a bunch of things wouldn't make sense if they were really bug-sized

[brittle garnet]

in any case there's no humans in their world so the world around them is the same scale to them as our world is to us

[coarse leaf]

Explain rq

[brittle garnet]

gravity

[nimble radish]

eh, it's stuff like water droplets being scaled as if they were human sized mostly

[brittle garnet]

fluid physics

[fiery burrow]

We don't know anything about the physics of HK

[shell yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/nge-gif-5807037

nah its australia, THK is this big

[brittle garnet]

this is true, they could be different

[south stone]

In quirrels history It shows smallets bugs like a real bug, só maybe they have human size tall

[coarse leaf]

That IS true

[fiery burrow]

Or there are just super small bugs in HK

[south stone]

Lol

[coarse leaf]

So what, the pale king just acts as a beacon and makes people grow 2 feet?

[shell yacht]

bardoon vs marissa moment

[brittle garnet]

i think this is the standard to go by

[fiery burrow]

PK doesn't effect physical size

[coarse leaf]

Damn where do I move in

[fiery burrow]

Thats White Lady's territory

[shell yacht]

funny joke

[nimble radish]

either of them could have done that in theory

[shell yacht]

a spell to make a dead thing grow seems wildly out of the territory of the stuff we know, but somehow, palpatine returned THK grew

[fiery burrow]

Well I was more talking about Queen's Gardens

Young mantes have adult features and the plants are much larger

[nimble radish]

to elaborate on pk not affecting size, the non intelligent bugs are similar in scale to the intelligent ones
many of them are bigger, in fact

[shell yacht]

mantises are just a messed up jigsaw of sexual dimorphism, WLs "plants" are entirely unique to her area ad cannot be compared

[naive pier]

Sorry, but with what leth said, does it apply to timeframe, June news, or is it just the idea of news this month?

[shell yacht]

nobody gave any timeframe

at all

[fiery burrow]

Powdered what the devils is a messed up jigsaw of sexual dimorphism

[high hedge]

Probably some form of time

[brittle garnet]

it applies to whatever you think. It's a general message to be critical of what you believe

[fiery burrow]

Server language is english

[crisp pelican]

There is a worm that is probably bigger than a human, and a moth ten times the size of a dung beetle

[shell yacht]

rads not a moth

[lament lotus]

fym

[fringe violet]

omg dune

[brittle garnet]

but there certainly are moths irl that are 10 times or more the size of some dung beetles

[high hedge]

Bird

[shell yacht]

also flying jellyfish and living jello,stop trying to rationakize things like size and species

[naive pier]

But, do you think it will release this year

[brittle garnet]

what we think doesn't matter

[lament lotus]

nah nah

[shell yacht]

shes not a moth. she made the moths, shes a dreamdwelling god

[high hedge]

Believe what you want to

[crisp pelican]

Also also, a worm spider. The fact that there is such a thing as a worm spider makes all size reasoning invalid

[high hedge]

KAH KAH

[strange night]

Radiance is a dream god, the moths are the fellas who worshipped her

[strange night]

No

[crisp pelican]

Actually just a huge worm that can see the future and give intelligence to other bugs

[nimble radish]

wait

[full rune]

what the big void guys name again that the knight turns into

[strange night]

Jim I think

[shell yacht]

bob

[lament lotus]

oh i am starting to understand now

[crisp pelican]

Gerald

[lament lotus]

but why does she look like a moth

[full rune]

yeah whats jimbobgerald modeled after irl?

[tight grove]

because moth

[spice plume]

Oh the flashbacks

[shell yacht]

she made the moths, take a guess

[full rune]

other than a whip scorpion

[coarse leaf]

the voices

[slate wagon]

my sleep paralysis demon

[brittle garnet]

it's not that Rad looks like a moth, it's that the moths look like Rad

[shell yacht]

jersey devil

[full rune]

i want a pet whip scorpion just to put it on people unsuspectedly

[high hedge]

Did you know they whisper arcane secrets

[crisp pelican]

The radiance is the god of dreams, but she was a real bug. The seer says you die twice, once when you die, and once when your name is last said. The fact she's saying this at all means the radiance had to be alive in the first place

[wraith wind]

guys i think the warrior lady is cool in sprit's glade

[shell yacht]

shes not the god of dreams

[high hedge]

That’s awesome dude

[strange night]

God made man in His image
Radiance did the same

[shell yacht]

Rad is one god of light, of many, that lives in the dreamrealm

[torn ravine]

Makes sense

[crisp pelican]

She gets more powerful the more people dream of her

[wraith wind]

i know the design is fire

[crisp pelican]

Thats why the godseeker's incredible mind made her absolute

[strange night]

This is probably true for anything in the dream realm tbh

[lament lotus]

wrong reply

[crisp pelican]

How come dreams need believers to get strong, but nightmares just need physical fire

[shell yacht]

thats not physical fire

its nightmare essence

[strange night]

Yeah

[shell yacht]

its the same as dreams but like a dif element

[naive pier]

I just saw a post about silk song trademark being accepted on the 1st of may, and how that has two months until official registered, is this important?

[crisp pelican]

The seer talks about essence with dreams, but grimm tells you to collect the flame, not the essence, most of the time

[strange night]

No

Silksong isn't real, give up

[shell yacht]

its visually red essence

its nightmare essence

[surreal remnant]

also the nightmare and dream realms are separate

[strange night]

It's just a different kind of essence

[surreal remnant]

plus dreams don’t need believers, rad just needs believers to continue existing

[shell yacht]

dont believe everything you see

[surreal remnant]

more believers don’t make rad stronger

[naive pier]

The linked the source

[brittle garnet]

Seer says the dream and nightmare realm used to be one thing, but separated at some point in time

[lament lotus]

oh cool they changed the names of #help and #lore

[crisp pelican]

this very much looks like real fire that the grimmkin explodes into

[strange night]

I'm going to make sure both sides of your pillow are warm

[naive pier]

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/

[surreal remnant]

light and nightmare essence

[strange night]

Please just accept that it's just different essence

[high hedge]

I respect your grind

[crisp pelican]

I can accept it but I want more proof

[high hedge]

Never let the embers of cope die

[brittle garnet]

Real fire isn't red like this

[naive pier]

The other one

[naive pier]

Well, I’m done for today

[high hedge]

Truck on brother

[strange night]

There's three results, here's the pending one

[high hedge]

Aloha Frosty

[opaque sigil]

filed in 2023

[full rune]

GUYS A COMPANY FILED FOR A TRADEMARK HOLY SHIT

[slate wagon]

it’s like the dream roots, were normal essence gathers and forms an actual tree
nightmare essence gathers and forms a flame

[sacred stratus]

@high hedge I didn't draw heh sadge

[shell yacht]

can we not have fucking conspiracy theories today

[high hedge]

Maybe next time

[minor charm]

Let's go!!! Hahaha!

[high hedge]

If not now, when

[sacred stratus]

hopefully I need to be more consistent if I wanna be an artist

[shell yacht]

its not real fire

[high hedge]

I’m rooting for you

[full rune]

you know that secret CIA base in the middle of australia, i bet you that's where TC is

[opaque sigil]

Across these lands my kin now spread, harvesting that essence peculiar to my... breed, the flame in dream.

[fringe violet]

daw, now it's not a secret base, thanks

[sacred stratus]

thank you!

[wanton charm]

Nice silksong trademark pending, silksong release in 5 seconds!!!!!

[shell yacht]

please go back to arguing about grass

and shuttup about conspiracies

[high hedge]

?tag fun conspiracy

[white sail]

No tag conspiracy found in category fun.

[hollow terrace]

Team cherry can finally sell merch using the silksong name

[wanton charm]

Grass in silksong looks green af

[spare fractal]

?tag fun ss-conspiracy

[white sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283680756159741953/1194182352163848343/IMG_20240108_160745.jpg?ex=65af6bfb&is=659cf6fb&hm=c9194dc9abd5b3d2ab664c8dbf1e4a3cb71fc8a8425b7682aabfb6ad79b0e05b&=&format=webp

[fiery burrow]

We should go back to shower debates

[shell yacht]

im just gonna go stand in the rain and hope for lightning tbh

dance around in my feild with a metal stick

[high hedge]

Nice

[crisp pelican]

The dream realm has a twin realm called the daydream realm, zote is the god/leader of it, thats why he has 57 wise precepts that are garuanteed to make everyone's lives better like a bible. That's why he claims he's so powerful, because although his mortal form is weak, he is incredibly powerful in his realm, and gets stronger every time you daydream of him directly. His most loyal follower Bretta made a statue of him like the moths made a statue of their god. Zote is the most positively described god in hallownest besides the pale king. Zote is the only god to forcefully break into godhome, which resides in the dream realm, without a dream nail. Zote is an all-powerful being that can force himself in every dimension and mind he chooses. Zote is the only god that can become radiant without the attunement of a seeker. Zote is the strongest possible creature in every plane of reality. He is the only god of daydreams.

[coral prawn]

C'mon zuse strike me down

[shell yacht]

you had me before the comma, daydream belongs to the lifeblood beast

[crisp pelican]

💀

[surreal remnant]

imma make you past tense

[crisp pelican]

That is an incredible threat. I'm stealing that

[shell yacht]

casual geographic type threat

[wanton charm]

One last conspiracy, do you think leth will say anything on the delay anniversary?

[crisp pelican]

No because silksong will release before then

[shell yacht]

so anyway

[wanton charm]

Nice thanks

[shell yacht]

lifeblood beast in silksong?

[wanton charm]

Godhome in silksong?

[crisp pelican]

Nah the fact they put lifeblood in a syringe means they use it like medicine and they don't care about a beast

*probably *

[strange night]

If anything just a "the game is still in development"

[crisp pelican]

They should announce zote boat for next April fools

[shell yacht]

i imagine Hornet not being the only person captured and maybe thats why theres a lifeblood thing going on

[coarse leaf]

hello, friends.

[crisp pelican]

How are you streaming the silksong menu?!

[coarse leaf]

[strange night]

That's leth

[crisp pelican]

Thinking about it, I hope we DONT get more information on the outer wilds in silksong. I hope it remains 99% a mystery the entire franchise

[marsh ibex]

I had amazing pizza last night

[crisp pelican]

Same

[marsh ibex]

however it burned my mouth and tongue

[fiery burrow]

Wandering dutch

[strange night]

Agreed

[fiery burrow]

How am I not subscribed to that dude

[coarse leaf]

d a r n

[shell yacht]

star dont encourage this bullshit please

[coarse leaf]

okay but what if the release date for silksong was the friends we made along the way

[crisp pelican]

The only thing I want to know about the outer wilds is a retelling of what hallownest says (or a conflicting statement to start another 50 theories about it, like saying it's a great place that people go to regularly, and not that it's endless and robs everyone of their memory)

[strange night]

It's the release date for ss

Just in code

[coarse leaf]

team cherry when lore is about to make sense:

[strange night]

Cheeseburger has 12 letters
Garlic has 6
Fries has 5

June 12, 2025

[crisp pelican]

No seriously hocuspocus how are you streaming silksong

[coarse leaf]

ill never tell

[strange night]

With isn't important, it's just to make it a real sentence

[tribal kayak]

Hollow knight in Silksong?

[crisp pelican]

Chat is this a W theory

[coarse leaf]

silksong godhome would actually be MORE FUN tbf, its gonna be more dependent on combat sooo

[strange night]

My release date theory is better

Racism

[tribal kayak]

no

[tribal kayak]

fr

[strange night]

You only want him to change his PFP because it's a black man

[tribal kayak]

nah

ok

u'r excuse

[crisp pelican]

Okay guys the actual best theory, so the dream realm having a twin called the daydream realm maybe wasn't incredibly likely, BUT, the NIGHTMARE realm has a twin realm called the sawblade realm. Anything that goes there is instantly ripped to 100,000,000 pieces no matter how soft rough small or big, and yeah that's it

Someone toss this to mossbag

Or matpat if you want that type of theory

[coarse leaf]

okay but what about the relm relm where anything that enters turns into a cheeseburger

that debunks your theory

[crisp pelican]

Thats the real dream realm's twin

[strange night]

Matpat retired

[coarse leaf]

GAH!