sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

what

[lone crown]

Nintendo going after your throat when you pirate games they haven’t sold for 20 years

[coarse leaf]

Read the message again ithink you misread smth

[jade canopy]

Nah you need to find the thing and not get a virus
(Btw around 30% of pirated video game contain some form of malware)

[stark estuary]

I said they still are in spite of there being a lot of people pirating them

Which contradicts your earlier claim

You said piracy would hurt companies if it grew a large enough audience when in reality games are even more profitable now than they ever have been

[copper knot]

ive been studying the indie scene for like 2 years now

[brave island]

oh im stupid
i read it like this lmao

[near flame]

Where is that statistic coming from of 30%

[stark estuary]

Please show me some evidence then

Saying you’ve studied something for two years doesn’t give you any credibility

[glacial wren]

so 70% is safe

[near flame]

“Studying the indie scene” lmao

[glacial wren]

sounds pretty good to me

[coarse leaf]

Obligatory asking for source? Also, this is not hard to do. Im not going into details because then im starting to play with the line a bit but like, it is not hard to do

[opaque sigil]

well it's not hard to do for people who know to look out for it

[brave island]

there's a point where you don't need to consider the economic consequences of piracy and think about your own morality

[copper knot]

as in.. literal server costs, employees, and development costs?

[glacial wren]

luckily i don't need a source because i do it for fun

[opaque sigil]

...why?

[stark estuary]

Ok
Where is the evidence that piracy has anything to do with any of these things

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, so you just ask other people that do know

[near flame]

Bye guys im gonna go have intercourse with my beautiful wife

[astral dagger]

For example, one game that is pirated because it’s hard to play otherwise, the first Kirby.

[stark estuary]

“How does piracy hurt indie devs”
“Server costs employees running costs”
???

[opaque sigil]

if you aren't causing harm then why should you have a strong moral feeling one way or the other, and why would morality be something decided not based on consequences

[jade canopy]

Yeah I’m gonna need to look into sources but hum…
I won’t go into detail but I’ve heard… let’s say an interview, of someone from a state surveillance agency going on like
"Yeah… some pirated games do contain malware… maybe some from us, who knows"

[brave island]

it's dishonest to pirate games, especially from a company that didnt deserve it

[stark estuary]

How is it dishonest

[brave island]

emphasis on that last part

[coarse leaf]

Yeah thats almost definitely BS lmao

[stark estuary]

Who decides whether or not a company deserves it

[young talon]

Because people spend time on it? People need money? Isnt it nice to simply support passionate indie devs?

[opaque sigil]

you can always argue that any company deserves it

[high hedge]

Me

[young talon]

Paying with exposure isnt the same as paying with money

[brave island]

you're recieving the product without giving back
that's dishonest...?

[stark estuary]

Appeal to emotion 🤓

[glacial wren]

many indie devs pirate games because they have no money

[fiery burrow]

Its not a matter of whether or not a company deserves it

[jade canopy]

It’s not an interview, that was a relative talking (I said interview cuz I don’t like mentioning that they work there)

[high hedge]

Personally I think indie devs should all be put on a rocket to the sun

[glacial wren]

poor people exist

[astral dagger]

One game that proves this is red dead redemption 2.
Although the price is mostly affordable for many in the USA because of the crappy drm that often breaks and also slows down the game a ton, the game is EXTREMELY often pirated, because pirated versions run over 25% faster and don’t require dealing with the crappy broken drm that sometimes prevents playing the game.

[full ledge]

Convincing people piracy doesn’t hurt indie devs will cause people to weaken their stance on purchasing indie games leading to more piracy of indie games and hurting the indie devs

[high hedge]

I only support the crunchiest of triple A studios

[charred surge]

I love piracy, I love sailing the high seas and fending off scallywags and plunderin’ for treasure, yaharr! 🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️ dunno what y’all are blabberin’ about video games for tho

[jade canopy]

So like I’m gonna assume they were not bullshitting me

[brave island]

thats less of a fallacy and more of a legitimate portrayal of what being a good person's like

just sayin

[stark estuary]

For the twentieth time where is the evidence for this

[full ledge]

Because rn most people will buy indie games

[coarse leaf]

But why tho

[brave island]

the evidence is basic human psychology

[opaque sigil]

trying to make a moral argument as a way of ignoring the actual impact of an action is very strange

[copper knot]

keep in mind im talking about small indie games. the ones that get like 50 downloads per week

lets assume 50 players download coolgame and the game costs 3 dollars

thats 150 dollars
the 100 dollars will be used to cover the cost of putting a game on steam
thats 50 dollars
and lets say 50 pirates it
they loose what? 50%?
isnt that basic or what is ur argument here

im not talking about big indie games

[stark estuary]

[full ledge]

Convincing them it’s the same as AAA as far as piracy goes will get them to pirate even though they’d buy otherwise

[young talon]

I know, this point is besides that. I am just saying that if you are in a financial place where ypu can comfortably buy the game, its nice to support the dev.

[lone crown]

Literal brainrot

[jade canopy]

Why would they do that ? Well they get to have a ton of way of testing the new tools and shit they developed ig, they did not elaborate

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232587540719206400/1204805628581650492/IMG_3614.gif

[opaque sigil]

that ratio of buyers to pirates is completely nonsensical

[glacial wren]

that's exactly why most people pirate games though

[coarse leaf]

I dont know how legal that is but actually yeah I can imagine that lmao

[copper knot]

its a hypothetical scenario

[charred surge]

I can’t believe I didn’t singlehandedly stop the drama with my unfunny joke, this is so sad

[astral dagger]

Also brings up the interesting point of pirating a game you already own; which again is convenience and affordability.

[jade canopy]

It’s a state agency, of course it’s legal

[opaque sigil]

creating hypothetical scenarios that far detached from reality is a bad way to make arguments about reality

[stark estuary]

The nonsensical ratio aside
That’s 50 players who may not have bought the game regardless
50 players whose experiences could result in increased exposure resulting in more sales

[brave island]

you cant tell me that the publication of a message doesnt influence the people hearing it
thats an intrinsic response

[stark estuary]

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[jade canopy]

(Im glad that me talking got completely buried by other arguments rehashed)

[copper knot]

so whats the reality here? 10 people pirate the game? thats still 30 bucks lost

[opaque sigil]

are you claiming people don't already think it's possible to pirate indie games

[stark estuary]

That’s not how it works lmao

[charred surge]

Put all forms of video games on a rocket to launch into the sun tbh, what’s the point of video games if it isn’t contributing to toiling in the mines

[fiery burrow]

Methinks this convo is why piracy talk is discouraged

[opaque sigil]

for a game with like fifty buys and 3 bucks? probably zero

[copper knot]

then tell me? how it works?

[cunning geode]

thats basically my relationship with doom

[stark estuary]

It’s not 30 bucks lost when it’s 30 bucks worth of a game they couldn’t have sold regardless

[glacial wren]

why aren't more indie devs actively pissed off at this then

[stark estuary]

The indie dev isn’t losing anything

[high hedge]

Nah I think progress is being made here

[stark estuary]

The people who pirate indie games probably weren’t ever going to buy them

[charred surge]

At least it isn’t league!
(This is the part where you laugh)

[brave island]

I'm gonna assume you were responding to the last bit lmao
because everything before that point is fairly objective

[copper knot]

well of course they arent taking literal money off their wallet, but its more of potential buyers

[charred surge]

One more message and piracy debates will be resolved forever 🔥

[glacial wren]

no seriously let them speak for themselves you're not the lorax of gaming

[brave island]

^^

[high hedge]

TRUE

[stark estuary]

Again, that is not how it works

[coarse leaf]

No, they just ignore the law lmao

[copper knot]

are you familiar with the program paint tool sai?

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/397062813949886466/1033026709215260762/IMG_0326.gif

[coarse leaf]

Wow discord

[opaque sigil]

assuming those people are potential buyers is a huge assumption, and those people also could help the game reach more actual potential buyers

[stark estuary]

And if you’re doing to claim that piracy reduces the number of potential buyers you need evidence to support that claim

[full ledge]

I’d say it’s partially because people have a hardstance against pirating indie games if more people treated indie games the same as AAA games in regards to piracy it would be more of a problem for indie games

[charred surge]

Is that Will’s Myth

[cunning geode]

byeah

[brave island]

because it's not an issue right now
but this kind of piracy support is what could breed the issue into something with actual weight

[opaque sigil]

aside from the people virtue signaling idk why you would assume in general the approach to pirating indies is different than aaas

[glacial wren]

so you're inventing a problem

[copper knot]

this is circumstansial. im talking about a scenario where people are able to buy a game if they arent able to pirate it

[opaque sigil]

being able to buy something and being willing to buy it aren't the same

[full ledge]

I see a ton of people say they’ll only pirate from big companies and also the fact that they’re generally cheaper

[stark estuary]

In which case that scenario is probably very unlikely to happen in the real world

[opaque sigil]

if somebody has 15 bucks but chooses to pirate instead it's probably not the case that they were going to spend that 15 bucks anyways

[coarse leaf]

Im not a lawyer but im p sure the whole Snowden leaks showed mass surveillance programs and tactics that are very questionable morally and only flew through because they're the MFs that enforce the law

[brave island]

I'm curious

[opaque sigil]

it's the latter part

[stark estuary]

One could equally argue that there are people who would only spend the 15 bucks after pirating the game and trying it out

[opaque sigil]

indies are cheaper so there's less reason to pirate them

[copper knot]

if poor people who wouldnt be able to buy it regardless pirates it, yes the dev isnt loosing anything

im specifically talking about cheapskates who purposefully pirates despite them being able fo afford it

[opaque sigil]

then they very plausibly would never have bought it

[brave island]

if you're so open to pirating indie games
would you also agree that taking physical merchandise without paying is also cool

[fiery burrow]

People who spend their money however they want without harming others are cheapskates now

[glacial wren]

this is literally not a problem am i missing something

[opaque sigil]

that's not the same

[lone crown]

Yeah, often I pirate things to try new things out and then end up paying if I enjoy it, sorta like a refund with less hassle

[stark estuary]

That’s completely different

Not even an oversimplification damn

[full ledge]

Anyways here’s a summary
If you’re gonna pirate you’re gonna pirate
If you’re gonna buy the game you’re gonna buy the game

[fiery burrow]

Sorta like how some games have a demo you can try before paying

[coarse leaf]

Thats not comparable because youre then taking an actual item that had actual costs associated with it that is now not able to be sold

[brave island]

the boba store wont actually lose much from me stealing a drink, will it?

[lone crown]

Yeah like that

[opaque sigil]

yes

[opaque sigil]

they lose the physical goods, pirating doesn't result in any loss

[stark estuary]

It will because it can’t sell the drink you stole

[copper knot]

1. if buying isnt ownership, piracy isnt theft. and with the growing inaccessibility of older programs and how expensive some things get (FUCK YOU ADOBE) it is very reasonable to pirate. also, there are cases of poverty, where a kid wants to catch up and not feel left out but dont have money. piracy can help them enjoy hobbies if they wouldnt be able to afford otherwise

2. a lot of indie games rely on sales to be able to support for example, server costs. without them, development will go into a halt and the indie game industry is gonna stagger. the indie industry relies on every single donation and sales they get. i know a program who was pirated so often even tho everyone uses it, the creator barely gets a penny because if u search up the program, the thing that comes up first is how to pirate it

please people, learn nuance

[stark estuary]

How much is irrelevant

[glacial wren]

this whole argument is just "what if they did? what if they didn't? what if the world was made of pudding?"

[stark estuary]

The fact that it loses anything is what makes it stealing

[full ledge]

You posted this already

[stark estuary]

“Learn nuance”

[lone crown]

Cause the points in it are being glossed over

[fiery burrow]

Repeating an argument that has already been discussed doesn't do anything.

[glacial wren]

implying that anybody reads things longer than a good, angry sentence

[stark estuary]

Some of us don’t have two years to spend researching the indie scene sadly

[brave island]

that's fair
but I'd argue that actively promoting piracy in this way could definitely have a bad influence on people who are dumb enough to compare physical goods from internet items

[copper knot]

seems like some didnt get the memo

im not saying all piracy is bad. im not saying you should buy every single thing

im saying, theres upsides and downsides to certain things and dismissing one side isnt how you do it

[glacial wren]

what if the world was made of pudding

[fiery burrow]

I don't have the money to research the indie scene. Thats why I pirated the information.

[full ledge]

[stark estuary]

We aren’t talking about promoting it and I really don’t know why that matters in any case

[brave island]

we wouldn't have divorce, anxiety, depression

[lone crown]

Got a bachelor’s degree on indie studies 🔥

[brave island]

death

[stark estuary]

Do you seriously think the people who buy games do so because they don’t know that they can pirate them

[young talon]

You know i think i would be pretty glad if someone bought my game instead of pirating it

[stark estuary]

Good for you

[full ledge]

Yeah I have no idea I can pirate games so I’m just stuck buying them

[glacial wren]

what's your game

[brave island]

by you validating the practice you are by nature, promoting it
thats how sh works lmao

[stark estuary]

:/

[brave island]

no?
but if they hear everyone saying its ok to do, they'll feel less guilty about it

[copper knot]

this has been going on for way goo long

[glacial wren]

so why don't they

[stark estuary]

Oh yes because guilt is always what stops people from doing something they think is wrong

Me when I make shit up

[full ledge]

Is it not?

[copper knot]

is it not?

[fiery burrow]

I think piracy is fine and don't pirate games myself personally

[brave island]

not everyone's smart enough to distinguish justified theft from like, bad theft

[glacial wren]

so justified theft exists

[lone crown]

That’s the definition of guilt no?

[glacial wren]

can we leave it at this

[fiery burrow]

and I'm not motivated by wanting to avoid guilt or shame or something

[copper knot]

its when i steal the dying betta fish from petco

[stark estuary]

The fuck does “guilt” have to do with it
You’re assuming that people who pirate games feel guilty doing so
That people who don’t pirate games despite having the option to only choose to buy them because they’d feel guilty otherwise
What kind of claim is that

That’s nonsense

[brave island]

do you have some skewed perception of humanity? do you think everyone's an emotionless dopamine-seeking AI?

[full ledge]

I don’t pirate games and don’t really think it’s fine but I don’t judge people for doing it

[brave island]

im a lil confused

[spare condor]

If sharks are fish and dolphins are mammals... Are snails bugs?

[glacial wren]

does anybody here actually pirate indie games?

[ripe cliff]

"People never steal because if they steal something they'll feel guilty"

[brave island]

snails are bugs

[glacial wren]

this argument is all hypothesis

[stark estuary]

Piracy isn’t even stealing

It doesn’t hurt anyone why would anyone feel guilty

[copper knot]

but.. thats true tho

i buy indie games instead of pirating them despite knowing how to because it makes me feel guilty

but me pirating all the sims 4 dlcs? i dont care

[lone crown]

Once, ended up buying it

[brave island]

I pirated ultrakill at first because I didnt know it had a demo
I bought it after ofc, since it doesn't deserve that

[glacial wren]

SO. YEAH. IT WORKS

[stark estuary]

You only feel guilty because you don’t understand how piracy affects indie devs

[glacial wren]

SO. YEAH.

[copper knot]

are you one?

[stark estuary]

Why does that matter

[copper knot]

are you one?

[coarse leaf]

Source

Thats why that matters obviously

[jade canopy]

I was looking at security risks and pirated games… didn’t find too much that was super conclusive sadly
Mostly because all the research done on this subject is made with, or done by kaspersky, so there is an obvious conflict of interest
And since no one knows the amount of pirated copies, they only show the number of people who got malware from piracy, so it’s hard to know if that number is proportionally high compared to the amount of pirated copies
Here is the article either way https://securelist.com/gaming-related-cyberthreats-2021-2022/107346/
I think the main interesting tldr is that like 95% of malware isn’t the kind to cause immediate problems

[glacial wren]

if anybody here is a serial indie game stealer i can see the purpose of discussing it but this is just silly

[jade canopy]

Fucking embed, didn’t want you

[copper knot]

use <link> to hide embeds

[full ledge]

But it will hurt if people that would buy start pirating (before you ask for evidence that’s what they’re talking about)

[stark estuary]

The entire basis of your argument is “I don’t pirate indie games because it hurts the dev and that makes me feel bad”
First of all appeal to emotion 🤓
Second of all with no actual evidence that piracy affects indie devs in the way you’re saying it does that doesn’t mean anything

[brave island]

but I feel there's also a moral dilemma associated with this statistical view of piracy
if you have the money and are in the circumstances to spend it on the indie game, why the hell wouldnt you?

[marsh ibex]

this shit SUCKS

[glacial wren]

but they don't uggghhh

[marsh ibex]

grinding fucking sucks

[stark estuary]

You can do whatever you want, it’s a personal choice

[copper knot]

i want to ask you one thing. do you know what happened with paint tool sai and its creator?

[opaque sigil]

who is saying that people shouldn't buy games they can afford and are willing to buy

[coarse leaf]

Even then I really don't, youre not changing any minds of people that really pirate like, everything lol, theyre far gone from any moral discussions lol

[stark estuary]

But acting like people should feel guilty for pirating is whack ngl

[marsh ibex]

I hate friendship evolutions

[lone crown]

I can easily feel guilty for having access to an excellent product that others paid for, and without giving any credit to the developers via payment (regardless of the price) for entertaining me

[fiery burrow]

What if I want to spend it on something else

What if I want a nice lunch that day or something

[stark estuary]

I don’t care that has nothing to do with this

[marsh ibex]

oh great piracy discussion

[frail osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1076154835994423367/1154157068681498626/caption-14.gif

[brave island]

and I can yell at my dog

[stark estuary]

Hi Jojowoker

[marsh ibex]

hi

[stark estuary]

lmao

[marsh ibex]

what

[glacial wren]

so everyone is in agreement that morality is good and free things are also good and indie devs deserve success

[copper knot]

tldr: the program has been pirated so much that the creator was basically suffering for money to fund updates

[coarse leaf]

I dont know what this is supposed to comvey but like, true

[copper knot]

despite it being the most popular art program back in 2016

[frail osprey]

oh guys fyi

lisa the painful is currently free on epic games

[full ledge]

If I buy indie games and you convince me pirating indie games is ok so I start pirating them instead of buying that’s hurting the devs

[copper knot]

luckily with the release of paint tool sai 2, people have been vouching to buy the program after learning how much money the creator didnt earn

[glacial wren]

but you don't

[wheat sail]

If you hurt the devs it makes them stronger

[opaque sigil]

if you're already buying indie games then recognizing piracy as an option doesn't mean you magically stop doing it

[brave island]

then buy the game later ig
because even if its not much, you paying for the indie game still does give the devs money

[stark estuary]

Unless you can somehow prove that this was due to piracy and nothing else it doesn’t matter, if you can then it’s very weak circumstantial evidence

[full ledge]

But if someone convinces me that piracy won’t actually hurt the devs then I may

[glacial wren]

but you don't

[frail osprey]

if piracy hurts the devs. and not pirating hurts your wallets. use someone elses wallet

[stark estuary]

Because I wasn’t going to buy it anyway and would rather play it than not

[fiery burrow]

So I have an obligation to give devs money that I don't wish to give them

[full ledge]

I don’t but people can and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume some do

[stark estuary]

I don’t owe the dev any money when I pirate something because I haven’t technically taken anything from them

[glacial wren]

but they don't

[opaque sigil]

some small subset changing their behaviors won't do much

[glacial wren]

many of us have pirated indie games only to buy them later because money is nonsense

[brave island]

Im just not a fan of how you're so quick to optimize your life in this way
its gonna be a turn off for people around you if you throw away honesty just because it's statistically justified

[stark estuary]

Honesty?

[opaque sigil]

idk why you're trying to take the moral high ground in a case where there's no real harm

[glacial wren]

now we aren't even talking about anything important

[brave island]

whether you have the obligation is up to debate, because I honestly cant say
but you could also be nice 😭

[opaque sigil]

and if you care more about the aesthetic of morality than about whether actions are actually doing harm that kind of says more about you

[stark estuary]

Also me justifying something doesn’t mean I personally engage in it

[glacial wren]

shrue..

[fiery burrow]

So its about kindness or not

[brave island]

its not that I care more about the aesthetic, but it's something to consider

[frail osprey]

do you personally engage in it though?

[wheat sail]

I don't need justification. I take it

[stark estuary]

It doesn’t matter

[wheat sail]

😋

[glacial wren]

wellll i dunno pirates tend to smell bad

[fiery burrow]

Random strangers could be kind to me too and I'd be grateful, but that doesn't mean they have to

[glacial wren]

SAME

[stark estuary]

Whether or not I personally pirate indie games is completely irrelevant to this discussion

[marsh ibex]

pokemon sucks I should play a better fucking game

[opaque sigil]

you're arguing it should take prevalence over whether an action actually causes harm

[wheat sail]

Did you win thy nuzlocker

[warped rock]

what

[brave island]

there's no way you've developed such an argument and dont actually pirate

[marsh ibex]

I’m grinding friendship levels

[stark estuary]

Why
Why does it matter

[copper knot]

oh my god

[fiery burrow]

Yeah kirb did you break the law?

[stark estuary]

“Hey look this guy pirates!”
Damn there goes my argument

[full ledge]

For who

[frail osprey]

if you pirate then your argument is just to justify your actions

[wheat sail]

You should just give your pokemon frustration so they don't need friendship

[opaque sigil]

lazy ahh ad hominem

[marsh ibex]

crobat

[glacial wren]

i support decriminalizing drug use but i don't use them, does that make sense?

[stark estuary]

I’m hesitant to even call it that

But that’s what it is yes

[brave island]

its my belief that you should strive to be kind
and I'm sorry if people disagree with that, because thats something fairly subjective

[stark estuary]

Appeal to emotion 🤓

[marsh ibex]

shut up kirv

[opaque sigil]

kindness has nothing to do with it

[stark estuary]

“Strive to be kind” me when I have nothing to add

[opaque sigil]

piracy isn't 'unkind'

[young talon]

Why is appeal to emotion such a bad thing

[brave island]

dude
there's no logicality to being kind

[glacial wren]

it's my belief that life is short and this argument is almost meaningless

[brave island]

stop pulling up the fallacy book

[frail osprey]

guys

[wheat sail]

The crobat will get one shot as soon as you get it ☠️

[fiery burrow]

Its a gesture of kindness to give a stranger money but its not unkind to not give them money.

[frail osprey]

this is silksong discussion

[stark estuary]

Not when you’re presenting that that like it’s an actual counterargument to the arguments people have made for piracy

[marsh ibex]

why are you going into an example and starting another discussion there

[brave island]

what if the stranger put work into something and give it to you

the something is wild

[wheat sail]

Idk

[stark estuary]

Good for them

[copper knot]

he once withdrew the program due to piracy, fyi

[stark estuary]

Are you saying people who give gifts always expect something in return

Not that has anything to do with the discussion

[frail osprey]

yeah

everyone expects something in return

[opaque sigil]

also making an argument from a moral perspective doesn't just mean 'i think it feels better'

[stark estuary]

Well even if they do the person being given the gift isn’t obligated to give them anything

[frail osprey]

you work for someone you expect salary

[stark estuary]

A salary isn’t a gift

[full ledge]

When people ask a price for a gift and other people take that gift and give it for free kind of

[frail osprey]

you go to someones birthday and get them a gift. you expect them to do the same

[stark estuary]

You’re getting paid for your labor

[glacial wren]

man nobody is convincing anybody that the grapes are or aren't sour

[opaque sigil]

moral arguments can be logical, and if they're going to be persuasive they kind of have to be

[frail osprey]

the ceo can simply not pay

[marsh ibex]

yeah the crobat is totally gonna die to a bug type gym leader

[stark estuary]

No I don’t think they can

How the fuck did we end up here

[glacial wren]

i think we should feed the hungry and house the houseless and video games have nothing to do with these things

[frail osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/how-did-we-get-here-minecraft-achievement-advancement-gif-25679370

[stark estuary]

A CEO can’t decide to stop paying employees

Employees aren’t gifted their salaries they’re providing a service and getting paid for it

[opaque sigil]

and there's usually a contract there

[frail osprey]

pretty sure there are many cases where workers are not paid

[marsh ibex]

You’re telling me money can be exchanged for goods and/or services?

[stark estuary]

Yes believe it or not

[frail osprey]

and in this case

[marsh ibex]

that’s crazy

[opaque sigil]

wage theft is a thing but so far outside the scope of relevance

[stark estuary]

I got two cows for this pot I made

[frail osprey]

the indie devs make a game for you and you dont give them their salary

[severe hearth]

Holy shit what kinda dumb conversation have I walked into

[marsh ibex]

piracy conversation

brain numbing as usual

[frail osprey]

yerr a pirate harry

[opaque sigil]

indie devs are not your employees

do people think indie devs are their employees? that would kind of explain some stuff

[stark estuary]

You’re also not taking anything from them by pirating

They’ve already made the game and released it

[glacial wren]

developers should earn royalties for their work like any artist but you're all on about some junk that doesn't matter to them

[frail osprey]

i simply made a comparison

[stark estuary]

It’s up to the customer whether or not they want to buy it

[brave island]

I'm sorry if I made it seem like I was presenting a counter argument
atp i'm just tired of the circle we've been going in for the past HOUR

I think its good to be liked by people, so I'm gonna advise you to not go around spreading this piracy argument unless someone actually debates you, because people'll usually turn you away pretty quickly if their first impression of you is "trying to be kind is a logical fallacy!! that's not the point of the argument!!!"

it gets quite irritating when people only look at things logically, which I know is illogical in itself, but thats a product of being human

[opaque sigil]

it's a staggeringly horrible one

[high hedge]

I think you should continue

[ripe cliff]

Its not continous labour
The labour was done once, copied over and over and distributed to people who are willing to pay for those copies

[stark estuary]

I stopped reading after the first line of the second paragraph

[frail osprey]

well. you still dont pay their efforts to make a game

[barren sequoia]

Should just send team cherry 50 euros in the mail asking for a pre release silskong copy

[brave island]

then keep reading
stop being so logical

[frail osprey]

and commit a crime. just like how its a crime to not pay the workers

[brave island]

this is exactly what I'm talking about

[stark estuary]

No I don’t think I will

[glacial wren]

so they should earn royalties too like any artist

[wheat sail]

[frail osprey]

anyways time for me to take my leave for like uhhh 10 months

[full ledge]

Well the whole argument for piracy is someone that pirates would pirate anyways so convincing people piracy is okay hinges on them not buying it anyways so piracy is only ok for people that wouldn’t buy it and if you would it isnt okay to pirate but if you get convinced piracy doesn’t hurt anyone and start pirating then it will hurt so basically
Don’t try to convince people piracy is morally okay just do what you’re doing and stop trying to justify it

[frail osprey]

bye!

[high hedge]

I will miss you

[ripe cliff]

Yes

[glacial wren]

YAY

[copper knot]

damn yall still going on?

[opaque sigil]

none of this is really consistent with how people behave around piracy

[glacial wren]

an agreement oh golly

[high hedge]

Shhh

[fiery burrow]

You're argument only works if you believe people have an obligation to be kind to everyone

[high hedge]

I wanna see for how long

[full ledge]

Is it not?

[wheat sail]

Who cares about morals I ain't socrates

[brave island]

you do you then??
I'm genuinely tryna give you advice, its not very kind to turn me away just because I've stopped presenting arguments

but I'm assuming in your eyes that's just appealing to emotion so I'll stop trying to reason with you

[opaque sigil]

in a lot of places it already doesn't have any stigma nor is social stigma associated with a private practice going to do shit

[fiery burrow]

Exercising kindness doesn't mean giving gifts to everyone you see

[stark estuary]

You should send TC a million dollars because they’re so nice to their fans

[high hedge]

(It does)

[opaque sigil]

you don't understand how arguing from a moral principle works

[glacial wren]

i think this is clearly unimportant and not changing anything for anybody, all of these opinions are very safe and don't actually question much

[full rune]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[severe hearth]

Yep 🙂

[high hedge]

I think this is very important and both sides are making excellent points to convince and understand each other

[full ledge]

It’s not about being kind though it’s about using something someone made that they charge for but someone else copied it from them and will give you it for free

[stark estuary]

Nah indie devs deserve kindness but AAA devs don’t

[marsh ibex]

centrist graaaah

[copper knot]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-discord-drama-multipler-clueless-argument-gif-10586124178076665824

[fiery burrow]

If I see a nintendo worker I kick them

[opaque sigil]

that wasn't responding to you

[brave island]

I know
but is that really what matters in this case 💀
I'm talking about the impact of one's reputation when they talk like everything's a logical analysis

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/both-sides-gif-18643069

[stark estuary]

Me when I’m at the fencesitting competition and my opponent is Luffy

[marsh ibex]

why is my encounter a fucking trubbish

Any ground type woulda been gas

Fuck you black 2

[high hedge]

In the end I will just act as though I was always on the side of the person with the last word

[marsh ibex]

Shit game

[opaque sigil]

you're the only one who seems offended by the notion that people would consider the impact of their actions as a component of whether or not it's defensible

[full rune]

how to lose all credibility in your future statements

[marsh ibex]

I’m gonna go crash a car

[glacial wren]

if i could copy such a thing..

[marsh ibex]

man

[high hedge]

Waiting

[marsh ibex]

I love it here

[fiery burrow]

First becoming an alcoholic and now this

[full ledge]

@stark estuary

[high hedge]

I don’t buy games beyond 25 dollars

[full ledge]

20% is a significant amount

[wheat sail]

Pirating is ethical no matter hwat

[glacial wren]

polls stink

[marsh ibex]

obviously the sample size on r/piratedgamers is not going to be skewed in any way

[stark estuary]

Sorry forgot the tone indicator

[high hedge]

And lately I’ve been waiting till they go on sales below ten

[opaque sigil]

do you see how this doesn't help you

[marsh ibex]

not an alcoholic yet

[high hedge]

Don’t ask rhetorical questions

[full rune]

unless the dev is also putting money into it they don't lose money, most devs are hourly / salary, losers

[marsh ibex]

erm how would you know that

[glacial wren]

game devs should find a better job like feeding ai prompts or something

[brave island]

I'm almost positive I'm not the only one
when you've turned your entire perception of life into a game of logic, it makes it a lot less enjoyable (I went down that path)

[copper knot]

i should do a scientific paper on this in a year

[opaque sigil]

then you should be able to recognize that that isn't what kirb is doing

[brave island]

wait what did kirb do

[full rune]

my whole job is chatgpt

[fiery burrow]

I'm fairly certain kirb is a robot

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-peter-b-parker-sucking-fingers-tasty-into-the-spider-verse-gif-26286176

[glacial wren]

logic and emotion are equally delicious

[full ledge]

I mean it’s just going to be people that pirate I don’t really see it being skewed either way for a poll like that

[brave island]

oh

kirb is the guy
i thought you meant kirbstar
lmao

[wheat sail]

Also virtual goods are infinite supply, so they lose no money from pirating

[full ledge]

No not really

[wheat sail]

Simple calculus

[high hedge]

Kirbstar is the real Kirb

[opaque sigil]

your response to somebody claiming that an action is fine if it isn't harmful shouldn't be
"you're just an insufferable person who only cares about logic and reason"

[high hedge]

Don’t accept anything less

[opaque sigil]

it's a lazy straw man

[wheat sail]

Omg luffy you're the real beats

[full rune]

starw men cannot be lazy as they are inanimate in the first place

[copper knot]

at this point its just entertaining, really

[marsh ibex]

Bro did not read wizard of oz

[opaque sigil]

for one the selection bias is insane, and the vast majority of those said they wouldn't buy if piracy wasn't an option

[wheat sail]

Strawman

[patent forum]

always come out on bottom too

[severe hearth]

Idk, if everyone just pirated games, no one would make games

[glacial wren]

i can steal nfts but not bad rats the rats' revenge

[opaque sigil]

nobody is saying everyone should pirate games

[high hedge]

I just ignore the losers

[fiery burrow]

Luckily we will never get to a situation where everyone will pirate games

[high hedge]

*Sadly

[brave island]

I'm really not trying to paint it like that
if you've realized that we've been on about this for almost an hour atp, I had the intent of giving feedback on kirb's social perception and less on the argument we went over
I wasn't interested in that anymore

[severe hearth]

True, but morally I don't think pirating is justifiable in any way lol

[full ledge]

I agree the vast majority wouldn’t my point was there is a significant amount that would and this was a $70 game so it’s even more likely less people would say they wouldn’t

[copper knot]

piracy is mostly an accessible issue anyway. if steam decides to close down yall know piracy is gonna go thru the roof

[jade canopy]

Are trying to add fuel to the conversation

[near flame]

Yes they would bc games are an artistic form of expression, they would probably be poorly funded though so less stuff would be possible

[opaque sigil]

your feedback is way off the mark and just a lazy attempt at an insult

[glacial wren]

nerd opinions

[high hedge]

What if I wanted to play Kirby’s Dreamland

[wheat sail]

Then you shall

[high hedge]

Exactly

[opaque sigil]

that's not a significant amount that would and that's in a piracy subreddit,

[full rune]

i picked the bloodiest booger out of my nose, should i eat it or no

[brave island]

i can assure you it was not an attempt at an insult
I'm actually trying to be nice, no strings attached lmao

[severe hearth]

No

[glacial wren]

DO IT

[high hedge]

Why would you announce that

[near flame]

D:

[full rune]

[jade canopy]

It’s called trying to stop a discussion I think

[wheat sail]

Yes it increases your immune system

[copper knot]

in conclusion: piracy is not inheretly a bad thing or a good thing. its somewhere inbetween, but if you overdo piracy, its not gonna do the industry any favour. also the opposite is true

[glacial wren]

i think nose picking is moral

[supple widget]

You should eat it the blood adds a nice iron flavouring that really compliments the saltiness

[full ledge]

20% isn’t significant? And I wouldn’t say it being in a piracy subreddit necessarily skews it that much

[supple widget]

Yeah, it is

[full rune]

that's very true

[copper knot]

ok so anyway i have computer networking exam tomorrow does anyone know how to not die

[glacial wren]

unless you pick someone elses nose, taking the fruit of their labor

[near flame]

This made me sad D,:

[high hedge]

I’d like to see it continue, I’m sure they’re coming to agreement soon

[opaque sigil]

you don't see how it being in a piracy subreddit wouldn't skew it waaaaaay away from being representative of people who play games overall? really?

[jade canopy]

It’s just around the corner

[copper knot]

awawawa?

[high hedge]

WAIT I REPLY PINGED NOOOO

[supple widget]

Eat food, drink water, stay indoors during bad weather and at night

[jade canopy]

Blocked

[opaque sigil]

even if 20% of pirates would buy, that isn't a huge population

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/alchemy-gate-of-truth-edward-gif-22073042

[opaque sigil]

most people who play games don't pirate

[full ledge]

Not people who play games overall this is meant to be the percentages of people that pirate

[uncut citrus]

I FORGOR

[opaque sigil]

then it doesn't really matter

[copper knot]

okay but does anyone know how to network a virtual machine and not make it have a 50% chance of killing itself midway

[wheat sail]

Reeves is here 🤨

[uncut citrus]

IM TWO MINUTES LATE

[jade canopy]

Yo I just rewatched that show

[uncut citrus]

guhhh

[jade canopy]

Not as good as I remember tbh

[silk zodiac]

if a game was made by original developers that got stolen from them by someone/something else who would sell it instead and keep all the money, you guys would pirate that game right? Or find ways to pay the original dev team ofc. I’m saying this because I heard something like that happened to disco elysium, I haven’t played the game yet since idk how to go about getting it.

[high hedge]

I’ve never seen it

[glacial wren]

i just feel terrible knowing that the guy who made undertale is -10 dollars richer

[brave island]

I was picking up on some behavioral traits that led me to assume kirb could have some problematic social aspects
which is why I abruptly switched from being argumentative to acting like some stupid guru lmao
but I could definitely be wrong, and kirb's just really good at arguing logic while still being desirable to talk to normally, in which case good for him

[opaque sigil]

disco elysium is a very fringe case

[copper knot]

i was about to pirate disco elisium at one point but i won a giveaway and got the game for free soooooooooo??

[wheat sail]

They are in some legal battle about owning it so probably it goes to the ones who yoinked it

Right now at least

[glacial wren]

foghorn noise

[high hedge]

🤠

[silk zodiac]

that’s what all the steam reviews say

[high hedge]

Society has agreed this is morally virtuous

[brave island]

🐟

[marsh ibex]

this is why instead of piracy I sneak into dev’s rooms and take all their code of unfinished products and also beat them over the head with a barbed wire bat

[fiery burrow]

joker kill this dude

[copper knot]

hi dad

[brave island]

I'm gonna have to side with maid here

[silk zodiac]

is that why silksong hasn’t come out yet…

[marsh ibex]

team cherry has wisened up and started deploying kangaroos outside their domiciles however

[glacial wren]

i bullied a game developer in high school, sadly i didn't go far enough it seems

[brave island]

what 😭

[wheat sail]

If people want to pirate your game, it should be an honour

[marsh ibex]

And they won’t let me bring gators to australia

[supple widget]

Guys have you considered that we can simply not go into poverty by pirating games we want to play

[glacial wren]

the most reasonable takeaway

[high hedge]

They will if you tell them gators eat another invasive species

[nimble radish]

gators would not help you
they have salties

[brave island]

a very polarizing statement
because it could definitely go the other way

[uncut citrus]

Today we are reviewing our 426th ss-discussion quote

[brave island]

adobe should not feel honored, they're a mess

[quiet hawk]

@marsh ibex (pinging you only since you are here already) this person is going on this hell constantly

[glacial wren]

simply pull yourself up by the bootstraps?

[high hedge]

Adobe alone is the honored one

[uncut citrus]

im quite the sad lady today from this, 6 minutes late to DSSDQR, when it was such an adventure to be on time yesterday.....

[copper knot]

i still dont undedatand why some mfs are willing to pay 200 dollars for sims 4 dlc when you can buy 100 kilograms worth of catfood

[uncut citrus]

btw this is good because it like tells a story across three replies

[nimble radish]

why would I want to eat 100 kg of catfood

[near flame]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-china-lore-lore-china-gif-15209786370871953565

[marsh ibex]

They keep doing this?

[uncut citrus]

so i found it very silly

[near flame]

Guys what do we think about this

[high hedge]

To become a cat

[copper knot]

YALL DONT EAT CATFOOD?

[exotic geyser]

it is a pretty good quote screenshot

[high hedge]

Hi hi Sarah

[quiet hawk]

Thats the tird time i think they said something weird

[fiery burrow]

Comes in
Insults people trying to have an ethics discussion
Starts posting NSFW

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-sad-sweet-gif-14926152

[stark estuary]

You are what you eat, eating cat food wouldn’t make you a cat it would make you cat food

[brave island]

daily silksong questionnaire recap?

what's the q

[near flame]

I eat cat food every day

[uncut citrus]

YOURE a pretty good quote screenshot

[copper knot]

my cat tried to eat me

[high hedge]

Have you considered that all cats are cannibals

[uncut citrus]

i messed up

[exotic geyser]

it's pretty simple actually, it's daily silk song discussion quote review

[glacial wren]

can i just say that i love humanity in all of it's flawed wonder

[near flame]

Have you considered that im a cannibal

[brave island]

the hero came back when we needed him most

[high hedge]

It weighs heavily on me

[stark estuary]

Perchance

[high hedge]

No.

[glacial wren]

aw :(

[brave island]

ah, stupid me
of course its the daily silk song discussion quote review

[high hedge]

Maybe next time

[stark estuary]

The only thing greater than the sins committed by the human race are the sins they are yet to commit

[full ledge]

When a yisrael quote tbh

[high hedge]

No they already committed all the greatest ones

[ripe cliff]

What if we go extinct first

[high hedge]

Besides space cannibalism

[brave island]

fr
( I was gonna make a joke and exempt a randomly selected group of people but I'm not sure how much that'd edge the rules)

[uncut citrus]

start being funny tbh

[copper knot]

do yall wanna see my car

[supple widget]

Daily quote review, I think this one's pretty good, implies quite a lot but shows very little, leaves a lot for the imagination

[nimble radish]

space cannibalism is way cooler than regular cannibalism

[full ledge]

How

[nimble radish]

wheres the car

[full ledge]

I know

[copper knot]

in the car

[high hedge]

So are most space permutations of things

[full ledge]

I’ll just copy a quote reeves posted

[stark estuary]

Is space cannibalism just cannibalism in space or does it imply the existence of extraterrestrial humans

[high hedge]

The former

[nimble radish]

space cannibalism is what all those space vampires are doing

[copper knot]

arent black holes space cannibals

[high hedge]

Spampires

[nimble radish]

are vampires the same species as us

[opaque sigil]

I mean the humans have to be extraterrestrial in order to cannibalise in space

[full ledge]

Pale king the red lob ster

[ripe cliff]

Convergent evolution produces the exact same species on another planet by some stroke of incredibly stupid luck

[glacial wren]

people who condemn humanity tend to condemn themselves as well which is sad but what's more human than that

[copper knot]

no they’re romanian

[full ledge]

@uncut citrus is this good

[white spear]

Somewhere there is space potatoes

[nimble radish]

exactly the same except they taste way better

[high hedge]

Planet Tuber

[stark estuary]

Well… yes

[uncut citrus]

its only funny when Kirbstar says it #sk-discussion message

[nimble radish]

like even raw flesh tastes better than anything on earth

[glacial wren]

somehow we sprung up from billions of years of space junk

[high hedge]

You say somehow like it wasn’t me

[ripe cliff]

Or would we just be eating our own population, but in space? No extraterrestrials it's just cannibalism on the moon

[glacial wren]

to argue about video games, mind you

[fiery burrow]

What if its a space ship eating another space ship

[full ledge]

So mean

[high hedge]

I remember I was eating a delicious bowl of primordial soup one day, then I spilled it

[copper knot]

its like the russian matryoska dolls

[stark estuary]

What if we found aliens and they tasted really good but eating them caused them the worst pain imaginable orders of magnitude greater than anything a human is capable of experiencing and due to their inability to communicate with us we assumed they weren’t sapient beings and that they just didn’t experience pain the same way we do in

[astral dagger]

Why is chat talking about cannibalism?

[ripe cliff]

Us with lobsters already

[brave island]

ok vegan

[nimble radish]

whoopsie

[astral dagger]

Why eat the meat when you can drink blood

[opaque sigil]

Humans regularly boil things alive for no real reason in order to eat them what do you think

[brave island]

let me eat my *#)@ -50 in peace

[copper knot]

i ate a bug once
it tastes nutty

we should replace nuts with bugs
k goonite

[normal latch]

Ive beat P5

[nimble radish]

that is definitely cannibalism, also
fie, vampire

[high hedge]

The lobster likes it

[normal latch]

im proud of myself

[high hedge]

They wouldn’t have it any other way

[brave island]

dang ggs

[normal latch]

thx

[fiery burrow]

It tastes better that way

[uncut citrus]

TRUE

[nimble radish]

you can kill em before you boil em but it has to be like, immediately before

[ripe cliff]

What makes people think lobsters wouldn't evolve a pain response like any other animal

[nimble radish]

otherwise they get overtaken by bacteria

[opaque sigil]

Yeah so do that

[glacial wren]

isn't this a plot in futurama

[high hedge]

I think what’s more interesting is eating a small octopus alive while it tries to fight for survival down your throat

[nimble radish]

just like a penguin

[brave island]

the lobster tastes better when it has to embrace its fate, unable to do anything to stop it

[high hedge]

Just like a penguin

[stark estuary]

Uhhh but if I don’t just kill it .5 seconds before throwing it into boiling water I’ll get infected by some undiscovered universally lethal parasite or something!

[astral dagger]

V-[banned]

[hollow terrace]

[glacial wren]

i understand depression but man if it doesn't bring me so much joy to just observe you freaks

[nimble radish]

that's not a very nice thing to say

[astral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-meowscarada-magic-meowscarada-trick-meowscarada-pokemon-meowscarada-fish-gif-15960829180150812751

[deep laurel]

meat needs to be sourced ethically, and distributed in coffee shop

[brave island]

wait but arent
parasites like
bad?? 😰

[stark estuary]

I hate Tatsugiri and Meowscarada

[copper knot]

okay before i leave

usually, invertebrates do not exactly have normal pain receptors like us. like they dont feel the same type of pain we feel. but we do know that they can sense when something is wrong perse and can feel when somethinf is hurting em

we do know that its just not the “normal” type of pain receptors

[glacial wren]

you're all great

[tired sedge]

Hi

[high hedge]

They actually think boiling alive is really cool

[brave island]

we dont experience the pain ourselves so who cares HAHAHAAHAHahAhAhAha

[stark estuary]

I am the Lobrax I speak for the lobsters
Every word you said is wrong

[full ledge]

I never understood that why not kill the lobster first

[opaque sigil]

Why does that matter

[tired sedge]

Still 275 dang

[full ledge]

More like 280 tbh

[tired sedge]

It’s been like over a year

[opaque sigil]

The mechanisms of their pain reception being different doesn’t make it reasonable to assume that there’s no experience of pain

[brave island]

this isnt my way of subtly spreading vegan propaganda I actually eat lots and lots of meat

[high hedge]

I once asked a lobster if it would rather be returned to the ocean or boiled alive, its silent acceptance spoke volumes

[brave island]

so true

[ripe cliff]

I don't think they were arguing that, unless?

[full ledge]

What I literally like just hit 275 a week or two ago

[brave island]

they cant argue
who cares

[tired sedge]

8766

[brave island]

they dont SPEAK

[stark estuary]

Have you seen that thing where they put the lobsters on a bridge and one side leads to freedom and the other to a boiling pot of water and most of them went into the boiling water

[full ledge]

?

[copper knot]

because i think a lot of people misconstrued that just because they dont feel normal pain, its that they dont suffer. so i just wanted to add that even tho its not normal pain, theh can feel when something is killing em

[brave island]

the bulk's going crazy

[tired sedge]

The year has 8766 years for me :/

[high hedge]

Probably not that specific one

[marsh ibex]

i miss her

[brave island]

but it tastes good 🤔

[high hedge]

But I’ve seen the basic premise

[high hedge]

Was she a lobster

[fiery burrow]

I miss tag info sealedsiblings

[high hedge]

?tag info jokerpsa

[white sail]

Silksong spoilers!

||https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ||

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[stark estuary]

I love it when human beings use the suffering of animals for their own entertainment

[marsh ibex]

LITERALLY NO ONE LIKED THE TAG WHEN IT WAS A FUCKING THING I CHANGE IT BACK I HEAR NOTHING BUT COMPLAINTS GO SHOVE A SOCK IN IT

bitch

[stark estuary]

But if it’s not covered in fur I guess it’s not really suffering!

[tired sedge]

Somehow Silksong isn’t released :/

[full ledge]

Tag info ym when

[high hedge]

Thats why you’re a pokemon fanatic

[stark estuary]

No that’s why I hate Pokemon

[high hedge]

You say somehow like it wasn’t me

[fiery burrow]

Bullfighting

[stark estuary]

They like it

[full ledge]

L

[nimble radish]

sorry, got hungry

[high hedge]

I forgive you

[tired sedge]

I just said one year is 8766 years for me so I just waited over 26000 years

[ripe cliff]

THIS is what makes my blood boil everywhere I see it

[high hedge]

If you didn’t experience time that way who would

[high hedge]

That would be the heat ray I have tracking your location

[tired sedge]

Idk..plus I’m a weird guy

[opaque sigil]

HAVE BOTH

[ripe cliff]

Could you turn it down a bit it's a warm day

[exotic geyser]

it's ok joker...

[high hedge]

Okay :) turning on freeze ray

[ripe cliff]

Lovely

I'm canadian

[tired sedge]

I sadly can’t talk another language in this server I can’t even find a server with random languages

[high hedge]

What was a warm day to you

[ripe cliff]

20+ degrees?

[brave island]

I'm honestly not really opposed to people consuming unconventional meats
since I share a personal connection with some of the animals I dont think I'd bring myself to do it, but if they aren't causing a population decrease and they try to minimize the pain when they slaughter, it really wouldnt be any different from cows and chickens

[nimble radish]

I discovered it was warm because the moose took off his fifth layer

[brave island]

what

[high hedge]

Thats brisk

[nimble radish]

canada stereotype joke

[tired sedge]

What about the other layer?

[wheat sail]

It's true tbh

[tired sedge]

The bar has been expired

[brave island]

how much salt do I put per cup of rice

[ripe cliff]

Sweet spot for me is like 15 celsius with no wind

[high hedge]

I wear a jacket till 35

[copper knot]

the temperature here never drops less than 20c and peak is always around 30-33c

[brittle garnet]

like a large pinch or something, half a teaspoon

[tired sedge]

Anyways who ever pings is gonna be so dead

I don’t wanna see a single sound

[copper knot]

ping

[brave island]

awesome sauce thanks
I've been struggling with the salt because with three cups of rice it feels like no amount of salt i pour enhances the non existent flavor

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-ping-cry-about-it-ping-notification-gif-22883874

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-goldenweek-one-piece-goldenweek-ping-everyone-gif-27459984

[tired sedge]

That wasn’t a ping..

[copper knot]

ping

[glacial wren]

moose jerky is godlike

[nimble radish]

were you eating rice with just salt

[brave island]

get pinged idiot

[brittle garnet]

put stuff in your rice

[high hedge]

I’m stuff

[full ledge]

@wheat sail ping

[brave island]

yeah I put boullion, soy sauce, turmeric, onion powder and pepper

[brittle garnet]

add garlic to the rice when cooking

[brave island]

not just salt

[nimble radish]

haha johnathan you are cannibalising

[tired sedge]

I prefer Cereal with Water 💀

[cunning geode]

huh

[brave island]

how do you spell bolion

[cunning geode]

bouillon

[wheat sail]

[high hedge]

You are forgiven

[brittle garnet]

when i said add stuff to rice i meant like, foods, vegetables etc. and not seasoning

[ripe cliff]

Thing is people don't care to minimize pain and suffering with invertebrates, fish and reptiles most of the time. And a personal connection isn't really necessary to have basic human decency and not torture things

[full ledge]

I’m still waiting for a pong doing some latency testing

[wheat sail]

...

...

pong

[tired sedge]

In 10 minutes, a hurricane releases more energy than all the world's nuclear weapons combined. On average, 100 people choke to death on ballpoint pens every year. (This never happened back when we used feather quills on parchment.) On average, people fear spiders more than they do death.

[brave island]

i agree
but I'm honestly not willing to switch to a plant-based diet simply because of the side effects and cost associated

[copper knot]

agree. yeah they technically cant feel our pain, we shouldnt just let em suffer ig

[tired sedge]

And yes

[brave island]

i hope you understand 💀

[copper knot]

i would die on a plant based diet ngl

[brittle garnet]

there are meat substitutes that taste so similar it's crazy

[brave island]

yeah if I continued my 500 deficit with plant-based only I would be are died

[hollow terrace]

I wish I was jolly

[brave island]

but they're super processed and usually dont have the same nutrition

[glacial wren]

oat milk is actually really good

[brave island]

which is my issue

[hollow terrace]

Hope silksong has hornet become whimsical and joyful

[valid sable]

When will we start mass farming and eating bugs

[tired sedge]

@hollow terrace Jolly Bell more like Jelly or Jello

[brave island]

almond milk is fire

[copper knot]

too expensive :((

[brittle garnet]

yeah but it's not like meat has some unique nutrition that you can't get without it

[tired sedge]

Too old for Silksong I’ve been waiting forever

[copper knot]

i almost exclusively drink oat milk tho

[opaque sigil]

Plant based diets can be perfectly healthy, as can mixed diets

[tired sedge]

And still

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232587540719206400/1182532225053499432/IMG_3529.gif?ex=658509f4&is=657294f4&hm=6c27989ebdc566a295f6b214d576cd112ed75b1c3d5d44a3b89fca712bda9c4c&

[exotic geyser]

i hope they get cheaper... as well as the milk substitutes

[brittle garnet]

the problem is that in order for meat substitutes to be cheap and viable, the general attitude needs to change

[glacial wren]

i want to switch to a fish and bird diet because fuck those things

[brave island]

naturally, you really can't get the benefits unless its meat
and its overall cheaper than vegan alternatives, which is why I'll leave it to some rich guy to get rid of the inhumane practices

[marsh ibex]

I liked santa

I helped him hide a mannequin in his bag one christmas

it was 10 years ago

[brave island]

it all comes down to the fact that I really dont have the capacity to support the efforts

[glacial wren]

i often cheat with cheese though

can't cut out cheese

[marsh ibex]

the mannequin was weirdly soft to the touch though

wonder where he got it from

[tired sedge]

That’s like in 2014

[opaque sigil]

No humane system can support the extreme demand for meat in the current society

[copper knot]

also i.. kinda live in the middle of nowhere and we dont even have mcdonalds or burger king. how would we get any plant based literally anything lol

[brave island]

thats true

[marsh ibex]

magic

[brittle garnet]

plants??

[glacial wren]

diy

[copper knot]

protein?

[tired sedge]

A day in Ohio

[opaque sigil]

I think they meant the meat alternatives

[brittle garnet]

exists in plants too

[brave island]

sometimes you really can't do much about a problem
which contradicts my whole piracy argument but I think we've established that I lost that anyway

[brittle garnet]

yeah i know

[opaque sigil]

But yes you can get protein from plants

[brave island]

protein absorption or whatever its called is higher with meat I'm pretty sure

[copper knot]

true true, but i guess meat is more effective

[brave island]

usable protein

sh I left all my main servers and am now addicted to this one

i should prob leave

[tired sedge]

Protein bar u mean?

[glacial wren]

i don't think anybody denies that meat is delicious but rather where that meat originates may be a problem

[brave island]

turkey isnt delicious

[copper knot]

but yeah even if i wanted to, i dont think a plant based diet is viable for me

[brave island]

not exactly

[fiery burrow]

Turkey is fine it just doesn't taste as good as other meat

[tired sedge]

Then what?

[glacial wren]

personally if my burger suffered i tend to be quite sad

[brave island]

turkey's gross

[copper knot]

never tried it lol

anyway gn

[brave island]

but chicken and hamburger are the only meats I tolerate so I cant be talking

[glacial wren]

mfs act like turkey breast isn't a key ingredient to any awesome sandwich

[brave island]

gn

[brave island]

I dont like cold meat

[tired sedge]

Their mostly black sometimes and fried so not a normal one

[brave island]

it grosses me out

[glacial wren]

bet you don't taste too great

[tired sedge]

U remind of the larvae’s inside a meat gross af

[brave island]

I'm sure I dont

[brave island]

WHAT 😭

[tired sedge]

This is true

[tired sedge]

My grandma put the meat out side and u know what happened after a while she forgot

Sounds like animal issues

[brave island]

ew

[glacial wren]

tree stump grubs 😋

[brave island]

I hate discord why is this so dopamine inducing
I'm gonna leave the server bye bye

[tired sedge]

Fr

[tired sedge]

Why?

[brave island]

i'l just get news off of like twitter

[brave island]

social media's too addicting

I hate it

[tired sedge]

The main reason

[tired sedge]

Go ahead so goodbye forever

[glacial wren]

why would social media do this

[brave island]

goodbye ☠◆●●

[rustic ore]

twitter is still social media, you know

[brave island]

because it works
they're exploiting our brain's reward system

[glacial wren]

WHAT!

[brave island]

but one less social media is better than nothing

[tired sedge]

That’s a fact that I know

[tired sedge]

The problem when it’s not loading

Because I have McDonald’s Wi-Fi

[brave island]

actually i'm prob gonna come crying to twitter and spend more time there to compensate

[tired sedge]

Can I come with u?

[brave island]

grahh

[brave island]

bet

[ionic trench]

Hello people who wait

[tired sedge]

I have Twitter

[rustic ore]

wait for what

i wait for no man

[opaque sigil]

The end of days

[brave island]

ok fr tho bye

[tired sedge]

Goodbye

[glacial wren]

they're all designed to keep people angry

if you're mad enough to stay it makes advertisers very happy

then there's the sense of obligation

boring

[neon adder]

Hot take: Spear-wielding flying husk knights are more annoying than primal aspids

[high hedge]

You are forgiven

[tired sedge]

And?

[high hedge]

It’s over 😔

Be free

[tired sedge]

Bruh

[high hedge]

🦋

[wheat sail]

You may leave Australia

[glacial wren]

just looked up microwave popcorn and there's like 50 recipes and many of them do not involve a microwave

very conflicting

[quartz cave]

hiii chat hiii chat today i will be setting up landmines in this chat okay byeeeee

[rustic ore]

ooo a piece of candy

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jump-explosion-gif-12915866

[quartz cave]

yummy ignore the part that says highly explosive

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-roblox-roblox-memes-roblox-meme-gif-1028997715501554265

[high hedge]

WOAH

[rustic ore]

high explosive sounds like a ripoff Toxic Waste

crunch

[glacial wren]

imagine a really big marshmallow and inside of it is a stick of dynamite and if you roast the marshmallow... gulp..

[rustic ore]

explodes

[wheat sail]

Like it's dynamite

[cunning geode]

is this from that silksong you keep playing

[exotic geyser]

no that's live footage of Aluo

[quartz cave]

that be mean imo, btw wanna go roast some completely normal marshmallows!

yours is the one that looks like it has a red stick in it

[cunning geode]

oh awesome

[hollow terrace]

Chat I broke the news

[neon adder]

The news of what

[cunning geode]

graig's not gonna make it

[neon adder]

Wait what

[flat remnant]

what did news do to you

[rustic ore]

wtf fix it

[cunning geode]

the graignancy didn't-
okay ive said enough

[hollow terrace]

We’re gonna push back summer break by two days since we had a snowday

[neon adder]

Stop

[hollow terrace]

What a horrid message reeves screenshot this

[wheat sail]

Graignancy 🫃

[glacial wren]

congraigulations

[cunning geode]

ennea thats an incredible nickname

[rustic ore]

[wheat sail]

Hwat

[rustic ore]

okay so i beat malenia what now

[wheat sail]

Watch the sunset

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-guilty-gear-xx-accent-core-r-gif-25743062

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sunrise-alon-lonely-relaxing-windy-gif-15746744

this shit so ass

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/may-may-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-guilty-gear-gif-25325522

totsugeksleepy

[rustic ore]

totsugesleep

[pliant torrent]

silksong

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rule59-rule-59-silksong-broly-gif-23736501

[wheat sail]

Wtf repentance plus dlc

[hollow terrace]

I remember when silksong had steamdb changes

Sigh

[cunning geode]

such a veteran on the scene

[neon adder]

Good news chat

[ripe cliff]

Will the scene have the joker in it

[rustic ore]

damn youre old

[formal marsh]

i like hollow kngiht

[ripe cliff]

Bad game

[formal marsh]

i will hit your head with a really heavy feather

[ripe cliff]

But what if the feather tickles my nose and i sneeze

[neon adder]

Legend

[hollow terrace]

Chat I want it back

REAL steamdb changes

[rustic ore]

too bad wait until june

we lock in, june is the month

[hollow terrace]

AND STEAM WIDE CHANGES

[dusk quail]

Where is sloksong

[lone crown]

I sure hope not

(Not anywhere near the 21st)

[glacial wren]

more like silkslop

if the game is gonna be so good where is it

[dusk quail]

River the mighty? More like River the poopy face

[glacial wren]

NO

[formal marsh]

march was gonna be the month but it ended.. its so over

[glacial wren]

NOOO!

[dusk quail]

YES

[rustic ore]

march still IS the month. be strong

[formal marsh]

true

[hollow terrace]

YOU WILL SPEND 60 BUCKS ON SILKSONG AND ELDEN RING DLC

[rustic ore]

you bet your sweet bippy i will

[lone crown]

Gonna pull all nighters if they release simultaneously

[formal marsh]

i will spend 60 bucks on art commissions of hornet eating cement

[rustic ore]

you like your cement fresh or dry-aged?

[hollow terrace]

[lone crown]

Like when Blasphemous 2 dropped the day before Armored Core 6

[formal marsh]

dry aged

[glacial wren]

i still need to finish elden ring, no clue where the ring even is

[lone crown]

I played blasphemous 2 for 18 hours straight that day…

[cunning geode]

look up...

[formal marsh]

it says gullible

[rustic ore]

im more of a fresh guy myself

[astral dagger]

Truly a new server sticker:

[cunning geode]

hollogre

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/they-did-not-write-gullible-gif-1889979964911209761

[lone crown]

When you play the Elden Ring DLC and fight the Twinbird remember who predicted it

[cunning geode]

When you play Silksong and consume Bowser's Big Bean Burrito remember who predicted it

[rustic ore]

When you at the when you you when the

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[neon adder]

There’s gullible in my bio

[neon adder]

Extremely dead chat

[flat remnant]

leave it to rot

[neon adder]

I love rot

I am FungEMP, after all

[astral dagger]

Silksong in 3.

[woeful matrix]

bragurot

[neon adder]

3 what?

[astral dagger]

Depends how hopeful you are.

[neon adder]

3 seconds

2

1

SILKSONG

[astral dagger]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksong/

Steam

Hollow Knight: Silksong

Become the Princess KnightPlay as Hornet, princess-protector of Hallownest, and adventure through a whole new kingdom ruled by silk and song! Captured and brought to this unfamiliar world, Hornet must battle foes and solve mysteries as she ascends on a deadly pilgrimage to the kingdom’s peak.Hollow Knight: Silksong is the epic sequel to Hollow K...

Release Date

To be announced

▶ Play video

[stark prism]

what does any of this mean

[cunning geode]

its pretty straightforward no?

[stark prism]

whats the long game being played here

what kind of psyop is this

[stark prism]

what is this gonna accomplish i don't understnad the words

[cunning geode]

its a joke about how incels and "alphas" attributed The Joker as portrayed in that movie as some badass they want to personify

who hates women

[rustic ore]

basically Joaquin Phoenix's Joker was one of those "sigma" characters that "alpha male" and misogynist dickwits latched onto like he was some god and they took that Joker as their personality.

[cunning geode]

yeah

[woeful matrix]

fortnite

[cunning geode]

NO!

[stark prism]

nah the real sigma joker was actually Jack Nicholson those nerds don't know shit

[quartz cave]

wombat in fortnite confirmed

[rustic ore]

then the director saying the Joker is bi suddenly puts their image of the golden god idol they worshipped in shambles

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-pain-dance-christopher-eccleston-gif-4382057548848966431

[glacial wren]

basically they watched a film marketed as a tragedy and interpreted it as idealistic

[rustic ore]

i would pay for a wombat skin

[cunning geode]

honestly that'd go hard

fortnite skins go pretty hard especially the furry ones

and im no fortnite player

[stark prism]

why tf they care about LAME NEW JOKER when we had this guy since 1989

[spare fractal]

I'm so tired.