#sk-discussion
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WOAH
If they want Alaska so much why don't the build a land bridge
Alaska is still smaller than Ym though
Are they stupid
Canada can take allat
That's America's pride and joy
Why do you want the Florida peninsula
And some Louisiana
Take mexico and flordia
If america takes Canada that could cause either huge problems or no one would care at all
Texas is mexico 1.5
Mix some southern BBQ with some Mexican churros and Canadian maple syrup
Do canadians be bbqing
No one would be able to do anything about it
Havin boils
And I think Canadian pride is at an all time low
Well. No they’re part of NATO
Booooo
yeah I kinda hate Canada so.
You will be the first.
Can the rest of nato do anything to america
Tbh america mexico and Canada should whoop the rest of the worlds countries
And they are mainly in Europe so they gotta cross the ocean
Good nighty krilly shrilly
💂
Canada and Mexico would be 1% of the total strength
Cannon fodder
Combine our poutine with Mexican burritos and new York pizza
Is poutine good
Yes it's fries gravy and cheese curds
Can be hard to find a good routine though
If you're picky
Apparently the best ones are in Montreal
I went there briefly and the cheese curds were the best part the gravy was more on the sweet side
oi
Just come eat some..
why did yall exclude texass
We're basically if america was a state tbh

Want Texan bbq
Mmmm
Idk about Mexico, taco bell is pretty good already
Oyoi
I've had only those boxes of small tacos eith judt meat
You should try eating the tacos too
Me watching those foodie videos on youtube
Not just the boxes
I'm drooling fr
I am hilarious
You. Are. Legendary.
If only Unique were here to see
It was pretty good
Those are nachos
HE LOSTTT??!!
Whomst
3 decisive games tdy
Gotham chess clutch
anything notable that happened in the indie direct
Triple i initiative?
Slay the spire 2, Hades 2 EAccess date, risk of rain 2 content
Might be time to sleep
Probably talking about the Nintendo direct today
There was a direct today?
Yes
Anything of note
Nothing that interesting
Dunkey is making a game animal well which has a release date range I guess
STEAMWORLD HEIST 2
Bideogame dunkey?.
we got a game from dunkey before silksong
Omori
during silksong's development
a entire virus/pandemic happened
i was a child and became a teenager
i moved houses
1000+ indie games were released
gta 6 was leaked
gta 6 was announced with a release date
twitter became X
i went from primary school to high school
i finished over 70 games 100%
3 wars happened
and over 100+ copium
quit mewing
Team cherry caused it all?
wait til you hear about gta6 development
Toast should be sleeping
oh toast we're doing a dnd campaign in the server
bro is not mewing, he is meowin
its onmly 11 besides i still have ap world hw to do
im an elf
not this server the other one
yes
specifically this one
its team cherrys fault
aw man
i'll join back after the 22nd most likely
i was spending too much time talking there because the people are just SO cool yknow
but it meant i wasnt practicing and i have an audition on the 22nd
blud wrong channel
Bro
what the sigma
because you spammed
because you psoted memes in general duh
oh
ok enough wasted time back to whats important in life
Wow
yeah nobody’s gonna discuss how you post le funny silksong when meme xD xD
Silksong when hahahhahaha
hahahahahahahahaha
no
Can you not drop memes in here?
Whaaaa
no you cant
this isn’t a meme channel
only if theyre funny duh
for a second i thought he was worse kirb but nah just a new fella
yes
you when you realize color picker exists
I'm on mobile
i am not a new fella
Crack cheese
Crack cheese
sorry, an old fella
You’re Kirb 3
Fart smella
Smart fella
I got 100 iq
I'm assuming I have 200 iq
i got 3
I'll share
You have 2 IQ
OH SHIT I FORGOT TO DO MY STREAKS
UH OH
What snap?
who uses snap anyways
Mmmmmm catlaughing
Cool people
450 day streak gone just like that..
Damnnn
that was the only one lost i think
Skill issue
Bro 450 is more than 20
womp womp
That guy on the left must be a psychopath
yeah
Bewomp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAgGy1D19U full clip was crazy
#meme #memes #wompwomp #womp #news #newsmemes
Thought that was. a skit
nope
Boo womp
OKAUEY I sleep now
Gm
gm mistuh star
Gm mistuh kaan
Huh who?
Have you not done that like 5 times already?
horngo korngo slops slorp
so anyway i appear
GIRLWINOJAWB

SCARFY 
Hello gwnj
corn 

My egg said someday you'll leave this world behind
So live a life you will remember
Should play wario land shake it insted
so many cool ppl in chat 
Kirb is so fucking based and cool
This is real
negative egg
is that hero from omori?/j
Don't ever joke about that again... omidri cannot survive
Congrats
You trying to impress someone
play engine moves
Yeah, warren e buffet
😏
did u see vidit v nepo game
i would have never sacrifice a4 and c4
man handed hikaru 2 losses and nepo 2 wins
🙇♂️ payment sent
Max win
nepo has fabi pragg hikaru in later rounds
what a tough matchup to break through
Yeah but I believe
😭😭😭😭
just beat the radiance! now I can rest.
YOOO
Guys, we have another game article written by AI 
https://kotaku.com/hollow-knight-silksong-indie-world-showcase-no-show-1851416028
Now do p5
first time or nah
first time!
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Congrats
now I get to suffer with everyone else knowing ss isn't out yet lmao
at first I was like, "just dont release till I beat hk" regret.
agony
Wow, that shit wasnt even proofread lmao, thats insane
show so good i gotta gatekeep
its adventure time
Evil....
ben 10
My mom
Your mom?
Also the show is 20 yes old too late to gatekeep
You shouldn't even watch it cause you're a little kid
It's for us only
Can't be more fun then wario land shake it for the wii
Ss when :(
@obsidian owl when ss?
"We still working very hard at the game"
:(
Don't wanna work mcdonalds
Jokes you I habe gotten a summer job
Guys did you know it was confirmed that Silksong is a sequel to hollow knight, and it might have rocks?
It was really confirmed. When asked if there will be rocks the response was maybe
Unfortunately we have no tree info
do u know what else has trees
The forest
And moss🤯
(The mod)
or just the area outside of your house 
(The mood)
(The mould)
mfw no trees
Hey to be clear trees haven’t been confirmed not to be in Silksong
There is still a chance
I have a apple tree:3
yeah but do you know where they are confirmed
The forest
why are you obsessed with that
The forest speaks to me
Oh yeah Germany too
What is saying?
whuh
Any Silksong info from the forest?
show so good gotta post it twice
gm Chat
She sells sea shells at the seashore
Gm
Well night all haha
You’re all great! Glad we got to talk about silly things here tonight
Indeed
the reptiles
Not gonna be active on discord chat tonight. I'm meeting a girl (yes a real one) in half an hour (wouldn't expect most of you to understand anyway).
have fun
What about them?
No way🤯
Good luck
Jk no one loves me
😔
Chat what should I have for breakfast
Egg and bacon
egg omelette with cheese, mayo, hotsauce and bread
they’re so happy
Water cereal
okay
yippie
😋
dry cereal
damn that sounds nice
Welcome to the salty spitoon
without any mmmmmmilk
right this way sir
If its the right cereal that can go hard
raisin bran
Corn flakes?
Yes
I like it with milk
And skittles
oh, oh no

Skittles, honey, and mustard
so whats the next big showcase gonna be?
I've heard that rice krispy treats are good but I've never had them before
The game awards 2024
thx u
They are good
They are pretty boring but they still very good
one piece dressrosa spoilers ||DOFLAMINGO GOT HIS SHIT ROCKED, GET FUCKED #RIPBOZO||
I believe in his return 
obviously, but the way in which he did was 
banned
Man fell into the Earth
Whara
straight excavation
Forshadowing!?!
I'm believing in the return of Pinnochio Jesus
Undertale ref
Kaku?
Usopp
Oh 
No he scamed people there
He traumatized a little girl
Was that really his fault tho?
New sword LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
both WCI and Wano gave so much well neede character development
Yes
Enma is insane
For Zoro fans a new sword is peak character development
True...
I wish Enma was still huge
Because Oden was like 9 feet tall
So it should be like Zoro sized
Mfr would need to two hand it then
Does he go past three at once?
He throws away one of his old ones
Well a fox steals it
he trades it in kinda

Hiyori wouldn't let him take it back
Zoro should have cut her in half
Should've started practicing four-sword style
Then taken both of Oden’s swords
so she gave him something which would probab;y result in any normal person dying a horrible death
And Shisui
I love how the anime shows ||gear 5||
man that episode before Wano act 3
the one about the fuck how do I do spoilers on keyboard
The episode about ||the warlord system getting abolished||
that was one of the most well animated episodes ever
Its will get so much better
it genuinely felt like a movie
wtf happened to Momonosuke
wait is that a spoiler
Puberty
how????
Its the future
yeah but how??
Like if he grew up
Hi Luffy
Isn't he 8
Aloha Frosty
ooooh
He aged
How are you doing?
you can't age so much in like 2 days
I’m doing fine pretty much, how are you? Anything new?
I mean.... this is one piece
Fair...
This is just what momo will look like one day probably
I don't fucking believe you
You should always believe me
Never
You never won’t always believe in me
No sadly. Still at work as usual
Everything is mostly as usual with me today
It’s less stressful but I don’t have anything new and exciting sadly
Thats okay
Still reading the comic?
The big one at home yes, at work I’m reading a different one on my phone
I use the kindle app on my phone
I know there is a dedicated digital book device
Why not?
It’d probably get dirty
I can say the same about your phone but never mind
I started playing lethal company with irl friends and it’s kinda fun
Well I’m gonna bring my phone either way
Radical
Nice
Don't you just love #op-discussion
Gm
Gah its a leak
Erm actually that isn't even a leak
One Piece Wano spoilers btw
||DADBEARD IS BACK WOOOO||
Oh man he is hot
Man had better hair than Nami
LMAO TRUEEE
R.I.P
hi rehman
hi emu
im not a bald man
How has the discord been holding up today
Silksong when
silknever :(
What’s a list of the predicted dates
Nintendo direct #11 also have farming sims? Who woulda thunk
no clue but while you wait go check out primacon his latest vid is perfect
lies

Tomorrow for sure!!!
They've always been better than tc 🙄
Hornuigi
No doubt it
No doubt about it
havent been selected im sad
Me neither 😭
There's a technical test in q2 of this year so
it looks so good
They may get more players
silksong should do early access aswell lol
true
im not too fussed i want to 112 hk before ss
wen it comes it will be great
why tbh
not fun to get to pure vessel lose then play another 20 minutes to try again
and after doing that with p2 and 3

🛌
I cant afford dark soul
Does it get good sales
:feelsbadman:
SilkTomorrow! :3
silksummergamefest2024
SilkFr
I do wonder if either Silksong or Deltarune Chapter 3+4 will release first
deltarune for sure
Deltarune is looking likely this year.
Toby almost finished 4 chapter as i know
NUH HUH
NEITHER both dont exist
Advance wars
wtf
Kirb you gotta do p4
that's literally why SS isn't out yet omg
also an omg at you being up rn 
Up for you 😎
Maybe be when I get the SS release date
:v
rip yosuke
Stupid bum
no just stop it wont happen
It definitely will
nuh huh
5am fucker what if u missed the candidates live
ive been playing will of the wisps again and im liking it more now than i did when i first got it
I played permadeath once and quit
Common yosuke W
According to my CS book, all robots are slaves
ur cs book is better used as toilet paper
True honestly
react for I2C communication and
react for slave master communication protocol
these are legitimate ECE concepts
It's only good for learning about computer architecture, everything else in this book is confusing and sucks
How to kill child
- Drive to store.
- Buy bleach.
- Put bleach in juice.
- Wait for child to drink.
😎
Directions unclear I drank the bleach
Well that's just a skill issue
Epic prank
Corn that pfp is sick
CORN NOOOO
With a fork
YOU CHANGED YOUR PFP
my face was visible 😔
I'm sorry but I love lunatic cultist to much 😔
Dont want to be doxxed
It’s ok I forgive you

love me some mips processor
mips?
Hey I did this exact subject lmao (last year)
paper 2 is a real bitch
I'll start paper 2 in 11th so I still have like... 22 months left
Almost two years since 9th is almost over
I mean, yeah lol
Although I will practice earlier on since God I know like jackshit about progeamming
is this the book?
Yep
We should give robots free will but also give them a predisposition to enjoying mind numbing repetitive tasks
Omg it's like our society rnnnnn frrr
sooo robots from Star Wars basically?
sooo amazon employees
Yeah like 3po
Sick that won't go wrong at all
Correct
How about we have human farms but replace their brains with a CPU so they aren't really humans
I2c 
Seems to work well enough for you
I mean they'd still be humans, but just humans without any capacity for true free will or sentient thought to the fullest
TRUE
Why do you hate me brother
Who will be the final boss in silksong
You
Damn right
My gyatt
leth as a big beatle
Omori ass boss
It was an allegory
I wonder if we will learn more about Herrah's background in Silksong
Hornet is dreaming
Deepest has a bunch of unanswered things
Or get an explanation as why Hornet is so important in Pharloom
When you beat the final silksong boss hornet wakes up in hollow nest: it was all a dream
In a hospital hed
That big creature suspended in the room
it was all just a child’s imagination
we get a live action cut scene
I still have building my own implementation on my to do list, someday surely
Kid in a comas last thoughts
That’s Hornet’s unresolved trauma with her father
Plot twist: everything Hornet dreamed about was made by the Lord of Shades
AND THE SNAIL
Snail village was done dirty
I think there was a scorpion too?
skong ideas
In the Abyss
LIONS
They have money now no limitations
A giant worm that eats you and you have to fight it's organs





Any ss news?
I sentence you to death 
Its better than living honestly
?sspsa
Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. 
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🤸♂️
🦽 🏌️
should have looked at the thumbnail
line fishing is for chumps
get it with your mouth like a bear
[greeting], [fanbase nickname], I'm [influential figure] and I [tragedy]. If you can, please help me with a small donation so I can keep [influential figure's role in the community]!
TRUE
I am intrigued
YOU
injustice for lurien
#justiceforjoni
Hello, silkheads, I'm Team Cherry and my knees fell off. If you can, please help me with a small donation so I can keep writing the quirrel comic part 2
You owe me royalties for my template
Wow a fun ad lib
pay up
you can take king charles we don't need him
another elderly man for the collection
What’s up, krills, I’m Krill and I recently stubbed my toe. If you can, please help me with a small donation so I can keep Krilling It
Hey, gang, I'm leth and I was run over by an emu. If you can, please help me with a small donation so I can keep marketing Crowsworn. P.S.: Fuck you, silksong fans
there was a cute cat game
No silksong news if you were asking, buuuuut check out the games there
"small kitty big city"
what came
like again there’s no silksong news
but?
Cat Quest 3 looked better than III for some reason- likely still not getting it tho
im not a stan
But there’s nothing
youre misunderstanding eachother so hard
i dont care tell me good stuff that was there
Nothing
cat game :)
bruh
There wasn't anything that great
i liked the cat game
don’t say that 🤨
I bought 2 games from III and zero from this so....
games? i dont buy games, i buy skins for games i already own.
this is what real gamers do.
yes
Im sure these games are good but I’m never sure
what
I wonder how many games I have on my wishlist
I have 27
i'll check mine
I have 7 but ironically enough I’ve never bought any of them, and the only ones I’m planning to buy are the ones that aren’t released yet
yeah true, quick reminder to clean up y’all’s wishlist
I think half mine are early access I'm waiting to get above mixed reviews
quick reminder to clean up your keyboa
do NOT clean your keyboard :3
Burn
Emulators on the App Store guys
rare ios W
do NOT turn it upside down and lightly tap it on the table, then afterwards use a brush of kind and clean between the keys till you get nothing out of it, use a cloth to clean on the surface of the plastic/metal if you have a 100% keyboard. It’s a BAD THING TO DO
anyways I’m gonna be off bye
bye, happy cleaning
Only delta
Or delta is the only good iOS one
Still no Wii 3ds switch or Xbox or PlayStation yet
How did that ruin the game for you
well that started my obsession with getting 'good stats' for all my pokemons
lol
i would reset for tepigs at the start of the game
in modern games you can swap anything
abilities, ivs, natures (i think)
and you can reset your evs to build them up properly, i think
natures is easier to manipulate with synchronize
forgot that was a thing
i dont actually know where you get ev reducing berries in emerald
Have been doing a nuzlocke with it lol
isnt it super funny to put a hidden island with a rare berry that has an extremely low spawn rate
I’ve been doing a nuzlocke with delta it’s a good emulator
Picture is slowly sending lol
is myboy unpopular now
Not on iOS
damn
Or at least not on AppStore delta is
stop buying apple
im huge fan of empoleon line btw
one of the best defensive typings
the concept of a ironclad penguin is cool
I hate empoleon
Looks ugly
you know what pokemon is cool
tinkaton
yes any pokemon that eats corviknight alive is cool
walking wake:
big hammer
don't forget big hammer
was n short
too short tbh
this paired with drought torkoal is so good
real, he can also puts sun himself cuz he learns Sunny day
so anyway i appear
Koridon better now
Cause koridon is unbanned
Enjoying being the clowns of Indie World Showcase once more? 
what is a koraidon
The legendary for scarlet
wdym?
Better for sun
yeah but he is in Ubers rn, Walking Wake is the OU Koraidon tbh
It’s unbanned currently in sv you can get one restricted legendary on your team
chat ded 
I'm very bored
GWNWNWNWJ
why are you mad
DAUD :D
HOW IS YOUR DAY GOING
I'm not, just breathing
fair
sometimes I forget how to breathe too
I wanna play Wario Land Shake It
lmao
My box is so good for this nuzlocke

Is that how that works?
show us the dead box
idk why I used us for that
rip kangaskhan encounter in safari zone
wait theres a dragonair
Any silkers in chat
Man I should do another nuzlocks
No Necro
There are none
Wdym
i thought kangaskhan was caught in safari zone 
it is I think
wait then how the dragonair
Litterly just a ferow
lies
does game corner give dratini
it does
Lies
yea unfortunate because safari zone has other better stuff like tauros/chansey
Yea
Dragonite isn’t even that good untill e4
Pidgeot and ferow have been hard carrying and ratacate
Everytime I hear the word Tauros, I simultaneously get reminded of Bouffalant, and that is trauma I do not want to relive
I am totally happy with kangaskan
Such a cool pokemon
Kangaskhan is the definition of child abuse imo
Also planing for a zapados encounter and articuno so kinda don’t need mutch encounters anymore
BENDY 3 before ss lol imagine
Bthreendy
please
Zapados will def be a e4 Mon and articuno will prob be not worth the effort
why
spam sheer cold with articuno
Alder's Bouffalant killed one of my mons
my favourite childhood pokemon memory is using METRONOME and getting SHEER COLD and hitting
I can't remember which one, all I can remember is that it was a pretty good one
u have hitmonchan shouldnt u be at 6
I just can’t be asked to do silph co
Didn’t do the gym went there and then did that and left
I ask you to do Silph Co
I hate Koga
u might want to try garbage green nuzlocke if u find the game too easy 
Did a garbage nuzlocke of omega ruby
After I'm done with Pure Soul I might do a nuzlocke of Yellow
Also this run has just been hella lucky
do a ballslink with sof
I only lost ferow due to letting my friend play the 4th gym and my ferow died cause poison
We talking about pokemon?
He’s
yes
did fearow not one shot erika
Yea
No 2 shot
isnt it super funny to not give gyarados actual good flying STAB
oh but lets give it ddance to use its MASSIVE physical movepool
Good but that 4x weakness to electric makes it risky
Funnily enough, I have never managed to kill a Gyarados with Electric type moves
I have no idea how
thats why its a good pivot :))
it can always bait electric moves for safe switch ins
plus intimidate is huge against quite a few mons
Imagine if we got a x y game before silksong
tbf, Pokemon Z fans been waiting way longer than us XD
Yes yes I have been single happy tear
Quite litreally x and y was my first pokemon the year it came out
do we know which studio is making the legends Z
Emerald was my first and only until Ultra Sun
Still nothing? Getting real down about the consistent “no news” situation
The same teams that made arceus are making z
Having to resort to playing Fallout 4 just to not lose my mind.
sick
Whoa, hey, lets not go that far. At least play New Vegas instead.
who
I’ve played 3 and NV to death. 4 never got a fair shake from me.
I'm Def playing the fallout 4 next gen update thx the devs it ain't a remake
4 is more fun than peeps give it credit for
Between being disappointed and someone spoiling it for me whilst it was installing on release day, I think I played it for a total of <30 hours.
There could be some idk, jet dash thing
fair but flying is also a really good offensive typing
wasnt all flying moves physical before gen 4
having a spammable flying move on the 90 bp tier 
it certainly has the most modern combat system
Mofo even ditches his flying while mega
its ok, put fly on it + Flyinium Z
yuck, Z moves
even as someone who loves SM/USUM those are bad
Also please fix hisuian typhlosion flames one day
what wrong
It should be PURPLE
I'm hyped to see the increase in size of the pokemon cause it's a legends game the height might actully change when they mega
Not that weak ass pink
though tbf, I dont like any of the battle gimmicks, megas especially
Hoooo right
Mega charizard z
Well you will be sent to San Diego for that
so legends Z is based in the kalos war era?
Also pls let me get my mega diance
Nonono
We have no clue
I'm sure it's in the late 1800s
diancie typing lets it down pretty hard
Yeah I would love late 1800s fashion
No, not California! Please, anything but that. Send me to hell with the hot demon babes instead.
Because of Paris 1850s urban redevelopment
I have dance for the sole reson I love her mega
why we talking about another game that is coming out soon
i mean i love pokemon but huh
Cause screw it
Because believe me, I LOOOOOVE the Hausmann redevelopment era
And if we can help remake Lumiose goddamn
How could would it be if some of the pokemon based off structured had regional forms based on the era
I loves expanding Jubilife village
Early form mergerina?
When silksong gets more info, we will resume talking about it. Even I can only ask peeps what features they hope/dread being in it so many times.
I am really looking forward how they packed the city
Mb bad service
all the pokemon pfp people here
understandable
All my fellas
do u have scarf
With a crisp 3 fps
I Def think the kalos starters should get megas
What we don’t see as Mario slips and falls into a pit of lava in Bowser’s Fortress 2
Also I'm hoping mega typhlosion (he'll never get anything ever again)
its ok scarf eruption is enough
so epic to have an emulator officially on the app store
Unpopular opinion but I didn’t enjoy fallout
I tryed to get into it but I just couldn’t
Who
Hey guys what's up
You are right, I will always return to the sacred ways
That's fair not everyone likes it
Hornet Silksong
it’s pokemon discussion hour
It is not for everyone. I have grown away from open world stuff in general.
what
also heya sonia
But I don't play pokemon how will I participate
Wouldn't it be funny if they pulled a every pokemon in the dex had a mega
Anyone know kogas levels my service is too ass to Google it
Man I miss clicked so bad
HGSS enter the chat
Peeps talkin about Pokemon Legends Pizza
just bing it
like I said
I wish it was a good generation
For fire red
Hiiii, haley sent me a picture of the snack creature yesterday
i don’t think i’ve played pokémon since… oh god when did pokémon white and black come out
sabrina and koga have the same cap at 43 
You will never attain silksong
yeah that’s Bud Pocus
so u cant bring a fully levelled team to koga
Oh shit Ty guess I’ll prep two teams
Rare candy’s go berrrrrrrr
I will become an exemplary member and replace you as mod for your blasphemous saying MaidMaidker
2010s
I LOVE THESE
what are these dogshit moveset why is koga a gym leader
literal fucking garbage
Peak gen1 team
yeah so it’s been over a decade since i’ve played pokemans
Holy shit dose everything need self destruct
That's so mean Simon
About to lose 2 mons to self destruct bs
how does he still have tackle on his mons
yes, for those pesky nuzlockers
Also who else crossing their animals
what is bro doing
I would quite litreally spend 600 dollars on pokemon z if every pokemon in the poxedex had a mega form
Why doesn't any gen 6 pokemon had a mega in XY
that picture is the equivalent of a fine dining chef fucking up a egg
It baffles me
i would NEVER cross an animal, they’re my pals
listen I’m just saying that base gen2 already kinda sucks and the improvements hgss aren’t enough to save it
Went from stinky to middle of the road
Don’t worry guys casoh can just eat the self destructs
silksong will be real in 13 minutes
gen 2 movesets were intentionally made terrible to make the game easier
bro is a fraud leader
That's nice but choice scarf + eruption + sun + 252 SpA
Also next person who speaks is going bald in a week
if only my buddy Nick were here he’s the pokémon expert
sucks
he’d probably say you’re all wrong or something

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