sk-discussion

[olive bobcat]

https://youtu.be/tvDyyiivXuQ

[fallen blaze]

U s a

[weary tapir]

The fucking vibes from heartbeat heartbreak are SO good

[olive bobcat]

Neek

[weary tapir]

ayeo that’s me

[barren sequoia]

I think p4 has some of the best music for persona

[olive bobcat]

Go to that video and listen to the transition from Signs of Love to Heartbreak, Heartbreak

[barren sequoia]

Im not too big on p5 music tbh but 3 and 4 slap

[olive bobcat]

First two songs

[weary tapir]

OH. MY. GOD.

[olive bobcat]

Real as fuck

[weary tapir]

that’s INSANE

[olive bobcat]

I love that mix

Studied to it last night

[weary tapir]

I think p3 fes opening song is one of the most under appreciated songs in the franchise. It starts with that quiet opening and is like “FUCK IT. THIS IS A HIP HOP BANGER NOW.” https://youtu.be/slJQ5VBD7iQ?si=Sau2s0vs8NlCySxh

[olive bobcat]

The countdown to April 24th

[weary tapir]

That transition always gets me with the drums man it’s so good

They better bring that banger back for reload dlc

[olive bobcat]

Rocking today

Playing P3R, got a burger and fries, got the blue light on

[weary tapir]

Oh ur gaming gaming

[weary tapir]

in da school with this shit

[olive bobcat]

We gettin' outta Gekkoukan High with this one

Stupid-ass moron

[formal karma]

the children call that 'ghosting'

[olive bobcat]

😳

[deep laurel]

I'm just waiting for Persona 6 and maybe play that

[fallen blaze]

Wolf cartoon eyes popping gif

[olive bobcat]

You'll be waiting a while I'd assume

[deep laurel]

probably, the series is not catching me currently

[dusk quail]

What's up

[dark wagon]

Persona 6 will take as long as silksong

[olive bobcat]

I'd believe it

They're saying it's gonna be pretty hefty, right?

https://vxtwitter.com/vanshies/status/1778770602863583692

[jade canopy]

There are reports of persona 6 being big
The fifth one already took like 100 hours to beat

[runic atlas]

Persona 6 is actually a remake of The Longing

[versed pollen]

Finally a good game

[dusk quail]

Is that good or bad

[wheat sail]

Persona 666

[flat remnant]

more like persatan

[violet path]

One of these days

I will come to this channel and there will be a discussion that isnt about persona or avatar

[formal karma]

there was very little of either all day

[rustic ore]

there's almost never a discussion about either, toast

[flat remnant]

hey toast what movies are you looking forward to

[violet path]

Hmm honestly not many good franchises that in watching rn

Off the top of my head the batman 2 and dune 3

[flat remnant]

batman dies in batman 2

[violet path]

Moana 2

[violet path]

Doesnt matter as long as man lives

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/man-yeah-i'm-man-meme-the-flash-batman-arkam-gif-12016075606724428920

[flat remnant]

wait are you serious

[violet path]

Rn im just trying to find the will to live (im doing scales)

[flat remnant]

scales?

[violet path]

The worst things ever

[flat remnant]

ah

[violet path]

sigh i played f major perfectly but wasnt recording

[hollow terrace]

Chat summer is near, I need a abnormal large hat to give me shade

[violet path]

Get a sombrero

[flat remnant]

very bold thing to say to window with a certain context

[shell yacht]

sombreros are dope, despite being country as hell down here theres no good outdoor hats

[hollow terrace]

I was gonna be funny but I didn’t want to make someone worry

[flat remnant]

it would've been hilarious please continue 🥺

[formal marsh]

lifehack: use your umbrella

[flat remnant]

shoutout to characters with bigass hats, top tier character design trope

[fiery burrow]

Miserable lifehack

It works it just feels wrong to carry it without any rain

[flat remnant]

maybe to boring people like you

[fiery burrow]

Me after killing an Umbrella Slime

[violet path]

Bigass hats are just cool in general

[shell yacht]

id use one, if it was bigger

marry poppins off a roof

[violet path]

Too big

[flat remnant]

loving the mental image of some guy spinning down from the air with this kind of hat

[violet path]

Yknow those chinese hats

The cone ones

Those are awesome

[flat remnant]

did master wu write this

[violet path]

Perhaps

[violet path]

When we went on a school trip to disney i bought one of those chinese hats and it started wars

[flat remnant]

there has to be a better name for that

bamboo hat

[graceful summit]

can someone send the alien gif i need to see it

[flat remnant]

@formal marsh has it iirc

[graceful summit]

thanks found it in their message history. that was vital

[flat remnant]

cool

[graceful summit]

celeste mentioned

[flint raft]

I'm exited for ss

[charred surge]

Honestly if you did some proper work on it this could make a piece of headwear that goes hard af

[opaque sigil]

provided you don't have both wind and rain

[hidden void]

same

[violet path]

Bros gonna have to stay excited for a while

[violet path]

Oh hey my message from 15 minutes go finally sent

[carmine island]

@rustic ore

[vivid belfry]

You know, I bet the lifeblood syringe is gonna be really good for learning bosses with second phases if they exist

[opaque sigil]

maybe

tbh the lifeblood syringe just seems so uninteresting

there's very little decision making there

[carmine island]

I hope we can get high on lifeblood

[vivid belfry]

I like it, reminds me of the vitality mantle from monster hunter

And it would definitely be more interesting in exploration than boss fights

[carmine island]

It’s portable life blood which is just free masks

[opaque sigil]

even in exploration it kinda just boils down to 'do I already have lifeblood masks' unless you're being frugal with shell shards

[vivid belfry]

It seems too slow to be used as a panic button so you'd need to use it in advance to bulk up for a tough encounter

[vivid belfry]

I mean, we don't know how many times it can be used per bench sit

[opaque sigil]

maybe you can't use it as a panic button but I doubt you'll go from full to dead without a window opening to use it, it's not that slow

[vivid belfry]

I certainly wouldn't pop it right after standing up

Which by default makes it more interesting than lifeblood charms

[opaque sigil]

In exploration sure you maybe keep one back always but if you're walking into a boss fight you're going to use it immediately

unless you know they have a harder phase 2 or something

[vivid belfry]

Yeah that's what I was saying

Of course any HP boosting tool is going to fall out of use in repeat playthroughs but I think it's a cool opportunity to make the learning process smoother

[opaque sigil]

I guess

it just seems less fun to use than any other red tool even if it does have its uses

[formal marsh]

happy to have helped

[urban ermine]

I wonder how many uses you get with it per bench visit

i'm guessing 5 or something like that

[opaque sigil]

5 is a lot

[formal marsh]

depends on if it's limited per encounter or something like that

[urban ermine]

hmm yeah, i'm just assuming it has some kind of cooldown or other drawback

[opaque sigil]

tools are limited in uses per bench

[urban ermine]

but otherwise 5 is too much maybe

[jovial quail]

Saw this convo but am out of the loop of revealed mechanics, what's the syringe, something you pop for a shield of lifeblood?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[urban ermine]

right, a tool

[opaque sigil]

letting you heal without using silk is a huge advantage and letting you do that more than a few times would be very strong

'heal'

in actuality it's better than actual healing

[urban ermine]

the animation seems faster than i remember now that i'm watching the trailer again, so it will be interesting to see how it's balanced

[jovial quail]

I think if I'm exploring a dangerous area and I'm at 1 mask without silk would be when it's most useful

Gives me X masks to hit something else for real silk

[vivid belfry]

I think I'm only biased against it because binding was absurdly fast in the first trailer

Syringe and bind are probably more comparable now

[jovial quail]

If I'm high silk I wouldn't ever use it because I'd be wasting hits at full silk I can't use to heal(due to having full health covered by lifeblood)

[vivid belfry]

What if you want to be more aggressive with skills

[opaque sigil]

if you're at full silk you can just burn some off with the skills

[jovial quail]

Ah true

[urban ermine]

ari said many will spend alot of time bouncing between almost dead and full health in this game though since getting a heal off requires quite a bit of silk

[opaque sigil]

especially once you have spool upgrades and can use skills while still keeping enough silk to bind

[rustic ore]

I honestly hope that binding time is different between crests. that'd be cool i think

[jovial quail]

Now that you mention it, that does seem like it's best use case imo

[opaque sigil]

that kind of seems like a nightmare to balance them

[marsh ibex]

you want to know what would be cool

[jovial quail]

From a purely defensive standpoint I'd never use it, I would absolutely abuse it to cast more skills for quicker boss kills

[rustic ore]

[marsh ibex]

a cure for cancer

also hornet surfing on lava

[urban ermine]

This seems to be the case, there's a notch on the silk meter required to bind and it's different between crests

[rustic ore]

hornet surfing on lava would be peak video gaming

curing cancer is lame, embrace asbestos

[vivid belfry]

This is true but also unrelated to how long the animation is

[opaque sigil]

giving you a different resource exchange rate and changing how long it takes for you to do that process aren't the same

[urban ermine]

yeah sorry, my reading comprehension wasn't the best there lol

[rustic ore]

I'm pretty sure binding is either
-slower now, or
-different between crests
because of one part of the xbox trailer where hornet takes a while to bind

[opaque sigil]

changing how much silk you spend (and maybe how many masks you get out of it) doesn't necessarily mean binding takes longer

[opaque sigil]

I imagine it's slower now

binding is supposed to be a risky prospect and it being lightning fast made it less of one

[rustic ore]

if it is universally slower, im gonna miss the brrip hornet does when she quickbinds

[jovial quail]

ah hell nah no hornet braps

[rustic ore]

she made a lot of funny new sounds in the gameplay

[rustic ore]

mods, take away their keyboard

[jovial quail]

lmao

[vivid belfry]

I bet she just has multiple voice lines for binding

We have brip and braim

[rustic ore]

brip remains my favorite by far

[reef scarab]

I’m gonna guess crests; the reason it’s so fast now is because you need a full (base) silk gauge to heal I think. Encourages more aggressive play.

[rustic ore]

i also like Lace going "c'mon" after she swiss-cheeses you

[marsh ibex]

[urban ermine]

perhaps some crests heals fewer masks but heals more quickly and some binds slower but heals more

[vivid belfry]

The slower animation from the Xbox trailer was used when binding with a crest that doesn't have a reduced bind cost

[opaque sigil]

that'd make building healing spots into boss attack patterns a nightmare

[urban ermine]

hmm yeah that's true

[vivid belfry]

I think it's probably slower across the board because getting hit while healing is supposed to be a legitimate risk and it really wasn't before

[reef scarab]

There’s a different risk now though

[opaque sigil]

the risk is getting hit, it's bigger now that there's more time where you're vulnerable

[vivid belfry]

Like the only reason Katy got hit during a heal in the treehouse is because she started a heal directly in front of the boss while she was attacking

And even then it was so late in the animation that it didn't properly cancel

[uncut citrus]

well we have quick focus that does the same

[vivid belfry]

You can air stall with binding which means you don't even really need a big opening to do it, any time a boss dashes under you is viable

[fickle ivy]

damage tanking bosses is lame
no caveman strats for you

[opaque sigil]

qf is more niche than a crest is though

[vivid belfry]

I mean it isn't that niche, you get it near the beginning of the game

[opaque sigil]

it's presumably less expected to be used than something like a given crest

also the comparison wouldn't be jjust to qf, but also to deep focus, which is basically unusable in a lot of bosses

[vivid belfry]

Bosses in silksong still stagger so honestly I don't think a "quick bind" would change a ton in terms of balance

[fickle ivy]

it will be fun experimenting with different crest and tool combos

[vivid belfry]

Flashback to when I accidentally equipped deep focus on my P5AB win

[opaque sigil]

it's more that a crest that slows your healing would be such an absurd disadvantage during a lot of things

[fickle ivy]

Mind Size Mega

[fiery burrow]

how

[vivid belfry]

I thought the baseline assumption was that the slower animation was the default and the crest with less cost was also faster

[reef scarab]

I mean it might be a trade-off for giving benefits for offensive silk use

[fickle ivy]

Crest that makes it so you can't heal at all, but it gives you the highest base damage boost of all crests

[opaque sigil]

idk if the decreased crest is faster, and I do think the slower animation is the default, I was responding to somebody proposing that there was that inherent variation

[vivid belfry]

Deep and quick focus are right next to each other, look similar, and I was stressed out of my fucking mind after getting past markoth and GPZ with all bindings

[barren sequoia]

Theres 2 healing animations so far?

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

[vivid belfry]

The healing animation in the Xbox trailer is slower than the one in the reveal trailer and demo

[barren sequoia]

Could it be just an overall tweak to the gameplay?

[fiery burrow]

How did you equip it during AB

[vivid belfry]

That's my assumption

[barren sequoia]

Its like 3 years of difference

[opaque sigil]

it would be very well motivated for it to be that

[vivid belfry]

Oh shit you're right, it was my first successful P5 clear with no bindings

[opaque sigil]

healing is supposed to be a high risk prospect, making it slower than the lightning speed we saw in initial material makes it an actual risk

[fickle ivy]

Do you all think there will be challenge crests? Like ones that intentionally nerf you, allowing you to make the game harder

[opaque sigil]

sure you got messed up if you got hit while healing with the fast one, but you wouldd have to try damn hard to get hit

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it

[fiery burrow]

Silk Soul crest

[vivid belfry]

This is my take, especially since the bosses in silksong don't seem absurdly fast compared to HK like some people were afraid of

[reef scarab]

Like, for the knight you can just take a few quick stabs to get enough soul to heal when needed. Hornet has to do a lot more to get to her heal, so I imagine the risk is having more weight on offensive vs defensive play.

[opaque sigil]

closest thing is probably just sticking with the basic crest

[barren sequoia]

Healing is also just supposed to be harder to get as well right?

[vivid belfry]

Not really

[opaque sigil]

you have to do it in larger batches, the actual hits:masks healed rate is about the same

[vivid belfry]

Same exchange rate

[barren sequoia]

Requiring a full spool seems a lot more stressful than like 1/3 of a vessel

Same exhange rate sure but it does takw control away

[opaque sigil]

is 9 or 10 to heal the more recent one, I can never remember

[urban ermine]

It's not always a full spool it seems but yeah, alot more than the knights soul vessel requirement for a heal

[reef scarab]

But only at a full (base) spool. Low health and no silk, things are more stressful.

[vivid belfry]

I don't think it's gonna affect the gameplay that much honestly, most people won't play around an empty spool even if they do use skills

[vivid belfry]

9, it was never 10

It was effectively 8 in the reveal trailer

[fickle ivy]

I really hope Silk Soul is available from the start. I want to beat the game using only Silk Soul mode before even touching base difficulty (if I ever do)

[sly scaffold]

it should prolly be that every heal you only heal one mask for 1/3 of the spool (its still masks in ss right?) like hk to gain that control back

[opaque sigil]

I could've sworn I counted ten notches on one of the trailers but maybe not

[opaque sigil]

it's not

[vivid belfry]

You might have counted 16, the notches were doubled visually in the first trailer

[barren sequoia]

With how hornet heals multiple masks as well I wonder if an upgrade would increase how many per spool

[fickle ivy]

Where were we told? I don't distrust you, just want to know for sure.

[opaque sigil]

when the spool length increases the bind cost stays static, you can even see an indicator on the hud

[opaque sigil]

Challenge Silk Soul mode! Once you conquer the kingdom, test your skills in an all-new mode that spins the game into a unique, challenging experience.

[barren sequoia]

Yeah but I mean like base per spool

[opaque sigil]

I don't see why that would increase

[barren sequoia]

Like maybe she can sacrifice a tool slot to gain an extra mask every heal

[fickle ivy]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[vivid belfry]

Deep focus equivalent would be much easier to balance in SS since you're working with bigger numbers anyway

33% increase to healing is a lot more sensible than 100%

[opaque sigil]

it could be fine for exploration too

probably makes more sense as a tool than a crest though imo

[barren sequoia]

Yeah I would bet hornet has a few passive tools she can equip

[vivid belfry]

There are at least two categories of passive tools

[fiery burrow]

White tools

[vivid belfry]

We don't know how they're separated

[barren sequoia]

The blue red yellow ones right?

[vivid belfry]

Yeah

[fickle ivy]

Maybe silk and song

[barren sequoia]

I would assume combat healing and exploration? That makes the most sense with those colors

[vivid belfry]

That's three

[sly scaffold]

my only hopes for the game are that the combat is still overall simple like hollowknight

[opaque sigil]

red is active

[barren sequoia]

Well the red one is combat and active

But blue and yellow passive yeah

[urban ermine]

im guessing one of the spider tools we have seen allows hornet to do that backwards crawl like a spider

[vivid belfry]

There are definitely gonna be combat focused passive tools

[timber notch]

lol, sounds fun!

Ehh, combat, passives, etc etc

Prolly a while lotta things

[barren sequoia]

I cant imagine an unbreakable strength equivalent of a tool wont exist in pharloom

[opaque sigil]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the crawl gets cut or is just an animation for a backdash into a sprint or some shit

[vivid belfry]

In fact we already have a clue about a likely successor to thorns of agony

[fickle ivy]

we need a crest that turns Hornet's attacks into dabs, default dances, and planking.

[timber notch]

I cannot live without unbreakable strength

[barren sequoia]

Razorwire?

[vivid belfry]

I don't know how they would even check for a backdash since turning around is instant

[opaque sigil]

as in an animation if you turn around then immediately dash

[urban ermine]

yeah it's kinda weird lol, but i like it. I remember that hollow knight was supposed to have a backward dash as well initially that was cut

[vivid belfry]

Maybe, but we've seen hornet's masks get spikes on them

[barren sequoia]

Ah I think thats what I meant

[opaque sigil]

there just doesn't seem like much of a point for the crawl

[vivid belfry]

There was also a barbed wire tool shown in the inventory

[violet path]

3 octave b flat major :(

[vivid belfry]

But we don't have anything definitively linking those two things together

[fiery burrow]

TC just can't let it go after the demo

[urban ermine]

perhaps it's not only for crawling the ground but you can climb walls or spider webs for a short amount of time while crawling

[vivid belfry]

They probably are though

Risk of rain pilled

[opaque sigil]

and what would it even be control wise, does it even make sense to waste a button on it

[fickle ivy]

it does make Hornet look more spidery though

[barren sequoia]

I feel like it could be used for non animated cutscenes but nor in actual gameplay

[opaque sigil]

where we see it is in actual gameplay

[barren sequoia]

Yeah thats just weird then

[urban ermine]

i gotta take a look at it again

[fickle ivy]

now we just need super aspids everywhere and Silksong will be perfect

[opaque sigil]

I just don’t see a functional difference compared to dashing away and holding into a sprint that merits its existence

[barren sequoia]

It covers quite a bit of ground actually

Might be a type of form?

Allows her to access 1 or 2 different attacks

[opaque sigil]

Sprint does that already

It’s pointless at best, and just a worse sprint otherwise

[cunning geode]

omg is Hornet a stance fighter

[marsh ibex]

mid

I hate soulslikes

[barren sequoia]

Probably but I think they're just trying to give hornet all type of movement

[sly scaffold]

Also, at what event do yall think ss is gonna announce its release date? Or who do you think will be the people hosting whatever event announces it

[urban ermine]

hmm, perhaps it's not a tool thing then

[barren sequoia]

It might just be so she can use tools without canceling dash to turn

[reef scarab]

tomorrow trust

[opaque sigil]

She already has that movement though

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/leo-leo-whitefang-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-mix-up-gif-23124673

[marsh ibex]

when it’s ready event

[sand lodge]

It could be like a down + sprint when you are on the ground

[fickle ivy]

Hollow Soul: Rise of the Silk Walker

[sly scaffold]

real

[sly scaffold]

real

[opaque sigil]

Then it’s basically nothing

[barren sequoia]

It was also part of the announcement trailer so could be just a proof of concept type thing

[opaque sigil]

and hasn't been seen since

[cunning geode]

hornet has quarter circle and charge inputs

[barren sequoia]

I would say having it wont be for the worst most likely

[urban ermine]

My guess is we will get a "team cherry direct" like we got for the first silksong trailer in 2019 where TC will give us a release date trailer and talk about the game without being tied to a event

[barren sequoia]

Just something to flesh out hornets kit

[fickle ivy]

The most important advancement in Hornet's moveset is the ability to taunt instead of jumping around like a dying fish.

[sand lodge]

Yeah it's never something i thought the game would need, and the one in that hollow knight demo felt weird

[vivid belfry]

It would be for the worse if it took up a button but I don't think that will be the case

[barren sequoia]

Yeah I fully doubt a button

Most likely just stick

Hk was made for controller right?

[opaque sigil]

if it's just an alternative animation for the sprint then whatever but I prefer the basic sprint animation

[sly scaffold]

Honestly, yeah

[barren sequoia]

I feel like keyboard is just god awful

[fickle ivy]

i saw the taunt was done by pressing left stick

[reef scarab]

honestly though given how involved Xbox has been getting with this I think it’d be at their showcase, if it did end up in one.

[near lance]

Triple I bait was crazy ngl

[sly scaffold]

I mean, keyboard isnt bad

[opaque sigil]

I think you're overestimating their involvement

[urban ermine]

Yeah idk if xbox is more involved, the demo we have seen for the game was on switch for example

but iirc switch was only planned then

[barren sequoia]

Xbox is at most probably a publishing deal

[vivid belfry]

I think they probably planned for all consoles but switch and PC were the only officially announced ports

[urban ermine]

Right

[shell yacht]

ducking iframes

[barren sequoia]

Like oh we'll have you day one on gamepass here's 5 thousand bucks or some shit

[near lance]

Ps5 was officially announced too tho

[opaque sigil]

idk why you'd doubt what they said at the time about not wanting to commit to day one ports at that time since it might be more work than they wanted to take on

[vivid belfry]

Not at the time

[reef scarab]

okay yeah maybe I worded that weirdly. Ig I meant like, the game pass thing, the advertising they’ve done, they’d probably be the most likely of any showcase event people have a deal with TC.

[fickle ivy]

It is funny how there are more people whining about the triple i whiners than there are triple i whiners. Like even the subreddit already moved on, but they are still getting posts from people telling them to grow up as if the people spamming skong are worse than the ones who were sending threats to triple i

[barren sequoia]

I feel like they definitely had a plan to do an xbox port at least

[vivid belfry]

Yeah I'm just saying they probably anticipated eventually releasing for all platforms

[barren sequoia]

Mostly everyone I know got into hollow knight because of gamepass

[opaque sigil]

they probably planned to do those ports eventually but they weren't initially anticipating it being on all platforms at launch

[near lance]

Idk I found the whole ordeal funny ngl, especially seeing people getting upset on the subreddit

[vivid belfry]

I don't even know what the hell triple I is

[barren sequoia]

A indie game show with a really shitty name

[opaque sigil]

some indie devs did a show. slay the spire 2 was there which is neat

[fiery burrow]

game showcase with Hyper Light Breaker

[fickle ivy]

Eh I blame Triple I for telling a bad, poorly timed joke. It isn't a big deal though, even the best comedians fumble jokes every now and then.

[fiery burrow]

The joke was hilarious

[formal karma]

i blame the people that fell for it tbh

[shell yacht]

iii was peak

[opaque sigil]

idk if I'd call it hilarious but it was very much in the genre of 'waiting screen gag'

[fiery burrow]

Maybe because of peoples reactions moreso than anything

[formal karma]

after a certain point its on them

[fiery burrow]

But it was an alright joke that made me chuckle when I saw it

[formal karma]

there's a reason the saying goes "fool me twice, shame on me"

[shell yacht]

clowns got clowned on, very funny

[fickle ivy]

Hey now, I was half asleep when I fell for it. Don't you go blaming me

[vivid belfry]

Silksong will definitely be announced at happy honda days, I can feel it

[barren sequoia]

I think its just kindve a stupid joke to make

[formal karma]

a huckster's crutch....

[urban ermine]

I kinda fell for it, but i also thought it was hilarious afterwards

[barren sequoia]

Like you can fault the people for buying it obviously but the person telling it is also at fault

[opaque sigil]

it's not really 'falling for it', it wasn't a trick

[fickle ivy]

stupid joke, but humor is subjective
A lot of people found it funny, a lot didn't

[formal karma]

the phrase 'mad cause bad' also comes to mind with the III baited folk

[barren sequoia]

Its not like its a hidden thing that the loud silksong fans are fucking rabid about the shit

[opaque sigil]

the premise that the point of that joke was to make people think the game would be there is pretty flawed

[shell yacht]

iii's dev lineup was public 2 days early if you thought that joke was a hint youre a ss clown

[reef scarab]

Indie event showcase but for like more prominent indie developers. Main reason people are upset is bc they had this in there which led to people thinking it might be shown.

[shell yacht]

skill issue

[urban ermine]

The intention was not to trick people that the game would be there, but this is the starved silksong community

[formal karma]

yea assuming that meant news is 100% a skissue

[reef scarab]

-another thing that had people’s hopes up were palworld devs being there despite not being in the lineup

[fickle ivy]

I heard that the original chat was being spammed harder by something no related to video games in the first place, but my sources are questionable.

[barren sequoia]

My opinion on this is that one norm macdonald clip

[shell yacht]

makes fun of crazy fans
crazy fans see it as a malicous atack on themselves

palworld was like at the end, and just dlc

that was planned already

[formal karma]

dlc for a early access game.../

[opaque sigil]

it's not even making fun of fans

[formal karma]

is palword early access?

[shell yacht]

well yeah not dlc, just roadmap ig

yes

[opaque sigil]

giving ss fans a wink and a nod isn't the same as trying to make fun of them or trying to trick them or anything like that. It's not malicious in the least.

[formal karma]

phew, questioning my sanity there for a sec

[fickle ivy]

Looking at Ark Scorched Earth, at least Palworld is faithful to its source XD

[barren sequoia]

Its not malicious at all yeah but I dont think its very smart either honestly

[shell yacht]

palworld took like 2nd place for record online players as a buggy early acess.

[fickle ivy]

tbf, palworld is pretty cool, even if it is not my kind of game

[formal karma]

it was plenty smart

[opaque sigil]

palworld unironically made a huge contribution to the genre with its inventory management

[formal karma]

it's actually not their fault at all people are like this

[barren sequoia]

I mean yeah its not their fault but even so just dont interact with a weird community if you dont really want that shit

[reef scarab]

I don’t think they’re being completely unreasonable this time though

[formal karma]

'dont want that shit' maybe idiots should stop spamming events

[barren sequoia]

I agree but thats not going to stop nobody

[formal karma]

this is ENTIRELY the fault of this community and not at all III

[subtle lynx]

lmao didn't notice this was there

that's so funny

[barren sequoia]

Adding anything to a fire even small is nor a good thing

[fickle ivy]

reading the crowd, timing, and being funny are all crucial aspects of comedy, so technically it kinda is their fault. You don't blame the audience for booing if they don't like the comedian's material, ya know?

[formal karma]

people are deciding to be on fire though

[opaque sigil]

idk why you'd assume people care enough to walk on eggshells like that just for a couple fringe people who will complain (and would have complained anyways due to ss not being there)

[subtle lynx]

facts

[formal karma]

people booing are a couple fringe wackos

and quite frankly, deserve it

[barren sequoia]

Idk man truthfully I would rather much talk about the actual game than how shit some people are

[subtle lynx]

facts??!!!!!

[fickle ivy]

Nah, the booers were fine. It was the people sending threats to staff that were the real wackos.

[shell yacht]

this audience will go to a movie and complain that it wasnt a boxing match they dont count

[formal karma]

which are the booers- still. if we're going with a comedy routine as an analogy the people booing are the extreme minority, still

[quartz cave]

True like what the fuck is wrong with you sending death threats to some event organizers just because of a joke

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[opaque sigil]

if you didn't like the joke that's fine but when you try to defend getting upset about it you start making claims other than 'I didn't think it was funny'

[flat remnant]

i thought it was funny

[opaque sigil]

is that a thing that happened? wouldn't be surprising ig

[quartz cave]

Yes, yes it was

[fickle ivy]

yes, but a minority of a minority. Probably like 1% of booers did that, but people are blaming all of them for it. It really feels like an "us verses them" mindset

[formal karma]

im not talking about the threateners, i am in general talking about all booers

[quartz cave]

The problem with these minorities is that they are loud as hell and thats why

[opaque sigil]

the booers fostering an environment where that occurs does say something about them as a whole but that's also not really the point

[shell yacht]

every entiteled conplainer is the same to me, they know nothing, expect too much and clearly dont listen to reason.

[formal karma]

I still think ALL booers got what they deserved- that's my point.

[fickle ivy]

Yeah, even a lot of booers were saying that shit was fucked up. Me included. Some peeps managed to get them to just spam skong on twitter instead, which is way less destructive.

[charred surge]

Hey chat what drama are we discussing this time

[shell yacht]

life itself

unsibscribe me

[formal karma]

the usual

[flat remnant]

the ethics of not liking the one iii bait card

[formal karma]

it wasn't even bait, it was a bare hook

[reef scarab]

Like it’s not so much upset Silksong isn’t there as much as it was annoyed the hinting that was bound to lead people on (both regular and the ones that are less so)

Some of the games there really caught my interest but yeah the move did irk me a little (not too big a deal though)

But people sending threats and taking it too far, yeag no

[charred surge]

“Bait”

[formal karma]

and these fish swallowed it whole anyways...

[opaque sigil]

I can't actually find a source on the iii people getting threats but if it happened it should certainly be a wake up call for how people approach events and the expectation of ss news

[formal karma]

that's not going to change people, c'mon

[subtle lynx]

ughh, is there nothing more interesting to talk about besides people complaining about stuff????🙄

[opaque sigil]

hell it could be that even if it didn't actually happen

[opaque sigil]

that wasn't a hint

[uncut citrus]

bestie i love you but can you please delete this message because its in the middle of the quote i was gonan use for some future DSSDQR and all that

[fickle ivy]

i don't like it from a silksong and comedy perspective. Really just the timing was my problem though. If they sent it in a tweet after the showcase to poke fun at the people spamming the chat, I would have laughed my ass off.

[charred surge]

Big bean

[quartz cave]

I honestly feel horrible that weve gotten to this point and how part of the silksong fandom has affected events of these kinds

[formal karma]

just credit me fam D:

[subtle lynx]

that is a huge bean

[flat remnant]

i can edit it out later bestie

[versed pollen]

I FUCKING HATE THIS BEAN

[winter heron]

songsilk when

but like, fr do we know anything?

[uncut citrus]

but the quote looks weird with an unrelated message in the middle

[shell yacht]

thats not a bean its a giant bird embryo.. or cake

[barren sequoia]

Its going to be revealed at the 2028 Olympics

[formal karma]

crop that shit- can't you edit?

[subtle lynx]

we know some stuff

depends on what you are talking about

[winter heron]

i've heard the esrb rating thing, but aside from that i meant

[flat remnant]

[uncut citrus]

i can do that too but then it feels fake 😔

[barren sequoia]

That's a fucking pound cake

[reef scarab]

it was a reference though, which is a little weird to do in a gaming showcase because it’s bound to come off as an implication

[subtle lynx]

well, if we are talking release dates, no, we know nothing

[flat remnant]

all quotes are fake we're all Ai i thought you knew this

[opaque sigil]

it's not weirder than shit like the twitter account liking a tweet or something

[flat remnant]

purged forever

[fickle ivy]

basically nothing. I could release today, it could release a year from now.

[cunning geode]

well maybe YOU don’t 👹

[winter heron]

fun fact: your free trial of life ends at 18

[subtle lynx]

😱

[formal karma]

there i deleted it GAWD

[winter heron]

ah, so it's the same good ol

[formal karma]

trying to editorialize me for your fake news

[uncut citrus]

omg thanks bestie

[uncut citrus]

true!

[vivid belfry]

Chicago behavior

[fickle ivy]

If Silk Soul actually shakes up the gameplay enough, I'll give it a go. Steel Soul is boring af and would have been better off available from the start.

[urban ermine]

Nah, i think it's a good little extra mode

[formal karma]

they SAID silksoul is quite different which leaves me hopeful

[opaque sigil]

steel soul being available from the start would've made it actively unfair instead of just pointless

[subtle lynx]

I don't think that would make much sense

[flat remnant]

replace all enemies with double damage variants

[formal karma]

changing enemy placement would be fun, flipping the map Zelda Master Quest might be interesting too

[vivid belfry]

having a permadeath mode be a starting option sounds terrible

[fickle ivy]

An optional harder difficulty is pretty standard. It isn't a ng+ where the previous run matters at all.

[subtle lynx]

they might just aritically buff enemies and debuff yourself

[subtle lynx]

but steel soul is not equal to harder difficulty...

[vivid belfry]

the ideal way to do a hard mode is different enemy patterns but that's a shit ton of work

[subtle lynx]

it does not make the game harder

[formal karma]

maybe dats why it taking so looong

[urban ermine]

A permadeath mode is kinda weird to have in from the start imo

[vivid belfry]

I would love for this to be true

[reef scarab]

I mean, the difference between those is personal accounts vs professional events.

[vivid belfry]

Ultrakill's difficulty modes are also awesome but I don't know how they would translate into a metroidvania

[formal karma]

im just hung up on a rotated axis map flip

[subtle lynx]

if they are putting so much time in a mode I will not engage with, I'm gonna be mad😡

[opaque sigil]

they used the accounts for those events

[shell yacht]

silksoul mode but everything stays dead you just lose all your gear and upgrades

[formal karma]

just engage with it, ez

[vivid belfry]

why would you not want to play a proper hard mode

[fickle ivy]

Not really, it is optional for a reason. And XCom, while a different genre, also has optional permadeath right from the start.

[subtle lynx]

cause I don't like when my whole progress is deleted if I die

[vivid belfry]

like yeah steel soul sucks but we're talking about a hypothetical actual hard mode

[subtle lynx]

it would feel pointless

[opaque sigil]

xcom being a different genre is why it makes sense there, it makes absolutely no sense for hk

[vivid belfry]

with no permadeath

[formal karma]

we aren't saying its a perma death

[urban ermine]

I think it would be interesting if we got to keep crests from the start in silksoul mode as they are likely not tied to progression

[subtle lynx]

then sure

[reef scarab]

But the event itself was dedicated to showcasing games.

[fickle ivy]

actual hardmode would be fantastic

[opaque sigil]

so is shit like sgf

[vivid belfry]

steel soul always felt weird because deathless is such an easily self-imposed challenge

[opaque sigil]

and tga

[opaque sigil]

yeah, it doesn't make much sense unless they didn't have time to do anything more

[subtle lynx]

ig it is an excuse for a "hard mode" that is easy to code, besides, you can flex it ig

[opaque sigil]

they could still do achievements without the mode

[vivid belfry]

steel soul didn't need to be an alternate game mode and godmaster should have only been an alternate game mode

[fickle ivy]

which they didn't according to graig, releasing it as soon as they ran out of cash

[reef scarab]

Neither of them explicitly referenced it within the events themselves

[subtle lynx]

godmaster is fine

[opaque sigil]

nor did iii, that was before the event started

[formal karma]

Lets not forget that leth doesn't interact with us anymore- because of this stuff. This is the community's fault. Entirely.

[vivid belfry]

yeah, godmaster is fine, but it doesn't really add anything being in the actual game world

[subtle lynx]

no, but it makes as much sense to be directly in the game as to not. And also, you can create an exclusive file to it if you want

[vivid belfry]

it functionally plays out like an alternate game mode because you 108% a file before ever setting foot in godhome, then go to godhome and never go back to hallownest for the remainder of that file

[urban ermine]

Yeah it feels like a separate game almost, but it was a good attempt at placing a boss rush so it makes sense in the gameworld itself somehow

[fiery burrow]

Where they tried to joke about how its not going to show up

[opaque sigil]

It's also just really sloppy narratively

[subtle lynx]

idk if it makes sense, but it tries to do so, which is good enough for me

[shell yacht]

we all hate GSM

[fickle ivy]

Honestly, godmaster is how I can still play Hollow Knight. I aint a speedrunner, so there is nothing to do after you have seen everything. But being able to refight bosses adds so much remaining entertainment for me.

[opaque sigil]

gsm is fine it's better than the rest of godmaster stuff

[reef scarab]

Within the countdown directly connected to and teasing what’s to come (like the thing on trailers, that the final game would be big)

I’m not trying to say it’s a huge deal or anything but I think it’s a little unfair to fully put down people who were irked by the tease.

[subtle lynx]

what is gsm

[urban ermine]

Yeah. Will be interesting to see how they could do a godmaster kind of thing in silksong when there's likely not any dreamworld stuff.

[flat remnant]

so true Gightmare Sing Mrimm SUUUCKS

[opaque sigil]

it wasn't a tease and that should've been very obvious from the start, people convincing themselves of something false is their own responsibility

[subtle lynx]

they'll make songworld

you sing to attune to the best performers

[vivid belfry]

I've replayed the full game like 20 times because I like the sense of progression

[fickle ivy]

if gsm had Absrad unlocked from the get go, I'd agree. But since it doesn't it is a massive waste of potential. I hate playing the pantheons and Absrad being locked behind the biggest one sucks.

[fiery burrow]

Its fun to come up with different routes for me too

[rancid vector]

The iii silksong thing shoulda been perceived as a joke, given what the rest of the little messages they were showing were saying

[opaque sigil]

gsm doesn't give you absrad but it gives you everything else and spares you needing to get all the upgrades to have a fair shot at p5 and shit

[subtle lynx]

omg can we stop with that?????

[fickle ivy]

For me, the fights and exploration were what I loved. Exploration is pointless after you found everything though.

[rancid vector]

That being said it was indeed a kinda unnecesaary joke given how long people have been waiting

[opaque sigil]

the real point of gsm is convenience, not everyone gets all the charms and notches and masks and soul vessels etc etc before doing all the bosses

[subtle lynx]

same

[rancid vector]

Its whatever. I do not blame people for getting kinda annoyed by that silksong iii thing

[opaque sigil]

I can never bring myself to route any way other than beelining for ddark 😔

[rancid vector]

Im personally not too phased by it. We are definitely getting news very soon

[subtle lynx]

I never liked the descending spells

[versed pollen]

I get it. Too busted

[opaque sigil]

ddark is an incredibly important part of your kit

[shell yacht]

its 100% on them tho, fans react that way without anything like that joke already

[fickle ivy]

To bad by the time I got GSM I already had all that stuff. Which is exactly my point. It provides basically no benefit. Everything it gives you can be pretty easily gotten in the base game. Absrad is the only thing that is not easily obtainable and the only one it skimps you on.

[versed pollen]

The only thing I do in HK anymore is random fuck off experiments

[subtle lynx]

I never knew they were supposedly busted until finishing the game

they are uncomfortable to use

[urban ermine]

I saw so many people say this back in 2020 already lol, but yeah i actually agree that it seems likely now

[subtle lynx]

I just like to use the nail and fireball

[opaque sigil]

there's plenty of shit that's relatively hidden and likely to be missed, you not benefitting doesn't mean the mode can't benefit a lot of players who aren't as thorough

[rancid vector]

Its happening. Matter of months

[opaque sigil]

if your save has all the upgrades when you unlock gsm, it's not for you

[shell yacht]

matter of years*

[rancid vector]

Lol definitely not years haha

[shell yacht]

75 years

[rancid vector]

The long wait is nearly at an end!

[shell yacht]

8 months

[ornate gazelle]

end of the universe

[shell yacht]

and...

13 days

[fickle ivy]

I mean, I have yet to see a single person say it helped them in any way. So I can only infer from that.

[rancid vector]

8 months, 13 days, 10 minutes, 22 seconds remaining

[ornate gazelle]

so many people are prediciting the release date and at least one person is gonna have it right

[cinder skiff]

I thought people were getting mad because they joined when they saw bug references were made

[opaque sigil]

it helped me not have to get all the mask shards and skip a few charms I never bother picking up

[versed pollen]

Godseeker mode is hilarious because whenever it could have helped me I was blocked by it not having everything actually unlocked

[rancid vector]

I would genuinely be extremely surprised if this game doesnt drop this year

[shell yacht]

well get ready to be suprised

[formal karma]

same but also- who knows

[rancid vector]

Pffft i doubt that

[versed pollen]

And then it has full gear so then I can't do anything interesting will less gear either

[flat remnant]

(people have been saying this for four years)

[fickle ivy]

Fair enough. Delicate Flower sucks and it does give you the option to skip that. But then you lose out on giving Elderbug hope again.

[opaque sigil]

he doesn't deserve it

[formal karma]

however this summer marks a year out from intended release. so we have SOME idea

[reef scarab]

It was a reference being made by an official stream, assuming a connection isn’t entirely unreasonable even for fans who aren’t part of the impatient bunch.

Given the nature of the event I think the person who added the comment should have known that. The joke could have and did generate excitement, even if it was only a joke and wasn’t intended to.

[rancid vector]

There are plenty of indications that this will be the year

[quartz cave]

FUCK ELDERBUG YEAH!!!

[rancid vector]

I have full faith

[cinder skiff]

Honestly I would be really surprised if it doesn't shadow drop withing the next 20 minutes to an hours

[formal karma]

zero, but sure

[flat remnant]

care to tell us

[opaque sigil]

a wink and a nod isn't a promise or a tease of anything

ss is a running joke in the indie scene, they were just referencing that

[quartz cave]

Good for you just make sure not to do another bet

[rancid vector]

Its been 5 years, leth said way before crowsworn, ratings and xbox store listing. Im Just saying

[flat remnant]

rilk were you there when xbox gave the release window of until june 12 and a few days before then it got officially delayed for the first time

[rancid vector]

This is the year

[shell yacht]

if you read a joke as legimate news/hints thats a you problem. but thats now how jokes work

[opaque sigil]

not the ratings again

[fickle ivy]

one can dream, but dreaming is bad because the Radiance will whisper sweet silky nothings into your ear and turn you into a zombie.

[formal karma]

still dont see any reasons

[rancid vector]

I listed 4

[formal karma]

rating were used last year to say 'game is at most 3 weeks away'

[rancid vector]

Lol yall have just been defeated by time

[flat remnant]

why does it being 5 years matter

[formal karma]

we had a steam page since day 1

[barren sequoia]

I like this year as well

[opaque sigil]

the only reason to think it's relatively proximal is that at one point TC had some relative idea it would've been out a while back, that's it

[barren sequoia]

Ttaco is also a believer

[formal karma]

not defeated, what

[rancid vector]

Timeframe of hk development

[fiery burrow]

4 years. SS is bigger

[formal karma]

also doesn't apply

[vivid belfry]

what if instead of timeframe it was timefrank

[barren sequoia]

Well hk only shipped because it ran out of money

They probably wouldve worked on hk for another year or 2

[urban ermine]

Yeah the only reason to believe it will be out this year is because it was supposed to be out 1st half of 2023 and it's been a while now

[opaque sigil]

ratings are nothing, being out before crowsworn is nothing (crowsworn doesn't have a date, even if it did that might be delayed), it having been five years isn't really indicative of anything since SS could easily take considerably longer than HK

[flat remnant]

it doesn't matter if it comes out this year because best debut indie game award is goin to dunkey's animal well

[versed pollen]

I always like to believe Silksong will release soon but that's not based on evidence or anything

[fickle ivy]

because waiting is hard, but otherwise I got no idea

[rancid vector]

I doubt that

But yeah its just my outlook

No big deal really lol

[reef scarab]

A running joke in the indie scene for not being out, in an event that exists with one of its main aspects being showcasing things that are not out yet.

I’m not saying it should be taken as a promise or anything, but the nature of the tease and the event itself are bound to create an unsavory mixture

[rancid vector]

Opinions are just that

[formal karma]

but you were insisting you had facts

[reef scarab]

I just think the joke was unnecessary and it is not unreasonable for people to be a little annoyed by it.

[formal karma]

which you did not

[flat remnant]

would be neat if you didn't present your personal outlook as definite fact just sayin 🥴

[rancid vector]

I stated four facts that an opinion can be based on

[barren sequoia]

Optimism and pessimism

[opaque sigil]

it only got misinterpreted because those people spend every second of the day looking for any possible observation to toss into their kettle logic for why the game is coming out soon, most people just act like normal people and if those people are unable to recognize that they're departing from reasonability that's their doing

[rancid vector]

We have come to differing conclusions from said facts lol

[barren sequoia]

The only 2 states of silksong fans at this point

[rancid vector]

Exactly my point. It aint complicated

[flat remnant]

where even is apathy

[formal karma]

you're saying the sky is blue because farts. Yes the sky is blue, but not because of farts

[barren sequoia]

I would put apathy more towards pessimism

[fickle ivy]

man they are still going on about it. It's been two days. Peeps should move on, it isn't worth dedicating this much time to being upset about.

[rancid vector]

Butttttttt thats not what i said at all lol

[formal karma]

it kinda is

[shell yacht]

it is unreasonable when unreasonable people make unreasonable assumptions based on nothing and have unreasonable expectations at every event for the last 5 years and get unreasonably heated at a third party for not living up to those self imposed expectations

unreasonable

[rancid vector]

i didn't say anything about sky colors or farts

haha 😛

[formal karma]

it was an analogy, obviously

[opaque sigil]

iii people aren't visiting r/silksong, they're not in that echo chamber hyperpolarized community, and realistically most of their audience, even the people they're winking to, also aren't

[rancid vector]

a subjective one i think

[flat remnant]

sticking out tongue emoji opinion discarded

[rancid vector]

r/silksong: it's coming out very soon!!!!
silksong discord: it isn't coming out very soon

that about sums up the dichotomy

[vivid belfry]

it's astounding that there's an actually reasonable argument for silksong coming out this year and nobody has made it

[formal karma]

but also discord; its coming out soon!

[shell yacht]

what arguement grover

[fickle ivy]

You all think there will be unique tool interactions like the charms had?

[rancid vector]

what's that argument

[vivid belfry]

team cherry expected the game to be out in the first half of last year

[rancid vector]

yeah that too.

[opaque sigil]

I did make that argument essentially, but that argument doesn't specifically point to this year

[formal karma]

that's the thinnest threat of a reason but its the best submitted so far

[fickle ivy]

they hoped at least

[rancid vector]

i was gonna say that but i didn't think anyone would see it and be like "good point"

so eh i didn't bother lol

[flat remnant]

sure

[formal karma]

if we heard anything at all since then, like from TC i could add it as a reason

[vivid belfry]

they were wrong about it, but that proves that shipping in 2023 was a reasonable assumption for the people making the game

[rancid vector]

i mean the thought definitely went through my mind, just saying

[barren sequoia]

It doesnt point to anything yeah but I dont think a delay for a studio as small as team cherry would mean more than a year or 2

[urban ermine]

Yeah i mean, if they are gonna go over a year over that they reallly missed the mark

[rancid vector]

i just cant see microsoft not being in communication with team cherry in relation to the event they held and the announcement they made

[barren sequoia]

Its not like a duke nukem situation where they completely just decide to nuke everything because of upper management interfering

[opaque sigil]

which seems significant but also kind of questionable how robust the inferences you can make are when the project has expanded so much in scope from the initial scale

[vivid belfry]

like this is the first time we've actually had a release window and what could be called a delay

[fickle ivy]

Though Leth has stated that it is really hard to tell how far along a game is during development.

[rancid vector]

sometimes folks seem to say that microsoft made that announcement in a vacuum

[formal karma]

sure but we can't extrapolate anything more from an almost 2 year old interaction

[shell yacht]

eh, the arguement against that is equally solid imo.
xbox: give us a window at least, minimum of now to next year, or narrow it down, we have slots for silksong but only with a release date
tc: fine, a year from now
xbox: GUYS ONE YEAR AWAY

[vivid belfry]

right, which is why they didn't put forth a release window for 4 years

[formal karma]

yea xbox reciecved info almost 2 years ago about the game, a game that's been delayed 10 months or so, it's not exactly hot off the press

[rancid vector]

i wouldnt think tc would say one year away in that hypothetical conversation if it wasn't at least a genuine possibility

[opaque sigil]

depending on how the behind-closed-doors talks with xbox went they may not have really intended for that internal window to be publicized like that

[barren sequoia]

I dont think team cherry would've signed on to a publishing deal like that if they werent confident as well though

[opaque sigil]

it's not a publishing deal

[reef scarab]

This particular observation requires significantly less mental gymnastics to justify even for the less impatient fans. People who get mad at any showcase are in the wrong of course, and people who get slightly annoyed at things like Nintendo or TGA are unreasonable; people shouldn’t get mad at III, but in this case I think some slight annoyance isn’t fair to entirely disregard as unreasonable.

[fickle ivy]

But I doubt we have THAT much longer to go. But I hope they are having fun.

[echo oxide]

no skong 😔

[formal karma]

sure it was genuinely possible.... but it's not hear long after the window

[barren sequoia]

I mean like gamepass day one

[formal karma]

so using it to say its this year is..... meh

[flat remnant]

no air for you

[rancid vector]

my overall perspective, however: if it doesn't drop this year, no big deal. it's gonna drop one day and it'll be a fantastic game

[reef scarab]

It’s not a big deal, no. But people who are irked by this and people who are irked by all the other events I think can be separated to a degree.

[flat remnant]

cutting off the supply in your general area

[urban ermine]

Another argument i could see why it's probably likely this year is that Leth said in a interview (quite a while ago?) that he had started his second playthrough of the game at that point

[opaque sigil]

we don't really have any way of knowing what the internal characterization of that window was, it may have been well below their doxastic threshold where they would've wanted to volunteer it- it's not like they did anything to platform it

[barren sequoia]

They have absolutely nothing to gain for signing on to it so early if they werent confident that the time window would be accurate enough

[rancid vector]

i just see no reason to not believe that it is highly likely to drop soon at this point

[opaque sigil]

they would have that arrangement established

[vivid belfry]

I don't think the indie studio team cherry needs to platform Microsoft

[formal karma]

mostly because its been highly likely to drop for 3 years now

[fickle ivy]

If I am not around when it comes out, I hope yall have an absolute blast playing it.

[rancid vector]

it was assumed to be highly likely to drop before june 2022

[opaque sigil]

no, they wouldn't, but the fact that they didn't means it might not have been something they would want to

[rancid vector]

with no indications that i am aware of

[formal karma]

all of the hopers in chat

[uncut citrus]

you WILL be around though, because i decided so

[opaque sigil]

whether or not it was of a character that TC wanted publicized in that way, the outcome would look as it did

[reef scarab]

My point is you shouldn’t hate on III but I also don’t really think the people who are annoyed entirely deserve to be disregarded as unreasonable complainers.

[formal karma]

every event

[uncut citrus]

and im ALWAYS right in fact 😌

[flat remnant]

personally sending a few hundred copies of silksong to purgatory just in case

[rancid vector]

i dont hate or blame anyone for anything pertaining to a video game release

[barren sequoia]

Why purgatory specifically?

[flat remnant]

i'm assuming heaven will already have a few thousand

[vivid belfry]

they also didn't say anything about the sony presentation, their social media has been basically silent for years

[stark estuary]

Me when I make shit up then get annoyed because it doesn’t come true

[barren sequoia]

Smart smart

[vivid belfry]

which is primarily why there are so many people complaining about them

[flat remnant]

hell is where they go to play the unfinished demo version

[opaque sigil]

my point is that it's essentially indeterminate how confident they were in that window

[fickle ivy]

My heart begs to differ, but I am not gonna go further on that because of server rules. Gonna hold out as long as I can though!

[opaque sigil]

they weren't necessarily as confident as they would have had to have been to announce it independently, or even to announce it in a trailer as a primary purpose

[rancid vector]

in other words, no one can say there was no indication that it was a possibility when microsoft made that announcement about the one-year timeframe. just like how no one can say with any confidence that they did have a strong indication / communication from tc that the one-year timeframe was likely

[flat remnant]

hope you manage to stick around long enough to experience it at the very least

[vivid belfry]

of course not, but they did think it was accurate or at least possible according to Leth

[barren sequoia]

Could fully be just corporate contract lingo shit

[vivid belfry]

I take that as an indication that they're not still stuck in the 2020 "we don't know when to stop adding shit to the game" phase

[fiery burrow]

I don't think they were ever in that phase to begin with

[opaque sigil]

sure, but that doesn't say much about level of confidence and for all we know they've had that sort of internal prediction multiple times and slipped, with the xbox telephone game just letting it slip a bit

[barren sequoia]

Like we didnt exactly fully believe this but we cant throw xbox down the drain so we just have to sife with them

[flat remnant]

ugh that awful 2023 reddit comment begging tc to stop adding content to the game 🤢

[urban ermine]

The place where Leth said he started his second Silksong playthrough was in Blues interview in august 2023 so it's at least in a state where it can be played start to finish

[rancid vector]

i trusted the one-year announcement personally

[opaque sigil]

even in 2019 they were saying that they knew where it was going and they werne't building without an end in sight

[rancid vector]

because there was no indication that it was unfounded (and there still is no indication that that was the case)

[barren sequoia]

I just fully believe in team cherry actually being confident about the release date and the game at most might be 2026

[rancid vector]

game delays happen tho

[opaque sigil]

And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game.
this was 2019

[fickle ivy]

the unity fiasco probably didnt help

[opaque sigil]

the unity stuff doesn't matter

[fiery burrow]

Wasn't the worst case scenario 2% cut of revenue

Pretty nice in comparison to Steam

[opaque sigil]

realistically it's way less

[fickle ivy]

true, but we dont know what mental effects it had on the team

[quartz cave]

Im imagining a perfect world in my head where this chat doesnt exist why hasnt that happened yet mods

[rancid vector]

ultimately, talking about whether or not silksong is dropping this year is like saying definitively whether or not aliens exist

no one knows.

[flat remnant]

real ones talk in #mod-furry-rp

[quartz cave]

🥺 pretty please powdered

[quartz cave]

TRUE

Its written #mutes-and-bans though

[formal karma]

But you were saying it's coming out this year and gave us evidence for why it is

[rancid vector]

i was saying i THINK it is

lol i didn't say "it definitely is"

[fiery burrow]

Can we get an SR2 channel

[barren sequoia]

This chat is fun

[quartz cave]

TRUEEEEE

[rancid vector]

i "think" it is "highly probable" that silksong is gonna drop this year

[quartz cave]

SS NERD SPOTTED!!!

[flat remnant]

i like how you're backpedalling on most of your arguments so you seem in the right

[quartz cave]

Nuke that guy chat, and also this chat along the way

[rancid vector]

lemme pull up my original statement

[barren sequoia]

My carbon monoxide alarm is going off

[reef scarab]

where else would I go shitpost and post pictures of my cat

[flat remnant]

omg cat pics

[rancid vector]

man this is like getting my teeth pulled without anesthesia

[quartz cave]

To the shitposting and pet pics server

[fiery burrow]

I think going backwards helps different muscles

[vivid belfry]

this is like a luau at Mel Blanc's house

[formal karma]

I think it's highly probable that Justin Trudeau is a bear in a costume because the carbon tax. That doesn't shield me from being wrong

[hollow terrace]

Nah you can be right

[reef scarab]

(this is him btw)

[hollow terrace]

You made it clear

[fickle ivy]

incredibly relaxing with a tasty, crunchy treat?

[flat remnant]

kitty

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yahee-gif-2742560024002100041

[formal karma]

I arrived at a conclusion with the map from emperors new groove to explain how I got there. It's nonsense

[keen kiln]

catposting time

https://tenor.com/view/snow-manul-cat-pallas-cat-gif-15516373

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-stealing-noodle-how-does-he-do-it-cat-gif-25127865

[reef scarab]

boo. I can’t say stuff like silksong at mcdonalds and stuff there

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kissing-turning-turning-around-surprised-gif-10954422701417471537

[keen kiln]

THE RASCAL

[formal karma]

Best sisters forever @ me

[fickle ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitten-alone-sleep-tucked-in-gif-14814077

[quartz cave]

Yes because theyre based and dont allow cringe

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22201828

[young saffron]

hey

[rancid vector]

ok i said this.

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cute-pamper-spa-gif-3495938811408432971

[reef scarab]

bestie I accept that I’m cringe

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/T5Ok3Qr

[rancid vector]

i'll be sure to choose my words super carefully from now on in order to not be deeply analyzed by 4+ chatters in here, in the future

[flat remnant]

he is judging you for your sins

[keen kiln]

Bit insecure of you imo /j

[fiery burrow]

We should remove the "discussion" part from #sk-discussion

[quartz cave]

Go to cringetopia then imo

[vivid belfry]

this is not enough, you must say that silksong is never coming out

hand on a stack of bibles

[flat remnant]

again backpedalling to make it seem like you meant something else even though you definitely meant it one way

[rancid vector]

i refuse to say such a thing hahahaha

[keen kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/666328804372906040/1227703359629299853/PXL_20231031_235349130_exported_stabilized_1698796447217.gif

[rancid vector]

well what i meant

[flat remnant]

anyway convo overed 😔

[ivory mesa]

In chapter 5 of hollow knight discord server, what is the hidden meaning in this? Write a 3 page essay

[rancid vector]

1000000%, and i am an expert on my own thoughts

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-rolling-cuddle-cuddle-roll-gif-26410302

[reef scarab]

anyway silksong at mcdonald

[flat remnant]

why am i pensive this is a joyous occasion

[rancid vector]

is that i believe there is definitely gonna be news soon

[flat remnant]

old mcdonald had silksong

[fiery burrow]

Hop on cat posting

[keen kiln]

i like your pfp!

[sly scaffold]

silksad

[vivid belfry]

fuck you if you say silksong is coming out this year, fuck you if you say silksong is never coming out, fuck you if you say silksong is coming out in a specific, distant timeframe, and especially fuck you if you say you don't know when it's coming out

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-chicks-aww-snuggle-gif-5706244

[fiery burrow]

https://imgur.com/NwxzGr6

[keen kiln]

Hi grover!! <3

[vivid belfry]

my opinion is a secret 5th and incredibly based thing and if you don't agree with it you're wrong

[flat remnant]

woah gimme a sec i'll find the original

[vivid belfry]

hi

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/french-fries-cat-french-fries-gif-23606374

[rancid vector]

talking about the silksong release timeframe in here is

[reef scarab]

I know when Silksong is coming out, but I’m not gonna tell you

[urban ermine]

It's definitely highly probable that we might get news soon

[rancid vector]

dangerous.

[keen kiln]

Me w/ Silksong News (completely unspoiled)

[hollow terrace]

Grover give me art mod im banning these cat gifs

[opaque sigil]

I know but I'm not telling

[sly scaffold]

silksong will come out when the devs find it in a state that is ready to be released

[keen kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543654781516906496/1222542642282369157/ezgif-6-1162633824.gif

[opaque sigil]

damn slow internet 😔

[ashen cobalt]

cat gifs will save us from the silksanity

[urban ermine]

Too bad there can't be cats in silksong

[rancid vector]

technically, silksong might never come out if the devs never believe it is in a releasable state

[fiery burrow]

However if you say it, Hitman Leth is going to be on your trail for the rest of your life

[opaque sigil]

I should start timing how long it takes messages to send

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-25344851

[fiery burrow]

Manul cat?

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/zrGh9x7

[keen kiln]

yea i think so, aka pallas cat

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-gif-22135876

squidward caught a stray 😭 😭 😭

[reef scarab]

me when game developers make passion projects for other people to enjoy

[sly scaffold]

Cause it was

[olive bobcat]

I disagree

[rancid vector]

trying to accomplish doing work in a cat cafe is a genuinely terrible idea lol

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-rolling-cuddle-cuddle-roll-gif-26410302

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dive-blanket-cute-suun-gif-22250081

[flat remnant]

by one @crimesceneparts on twitter

[keen kiln]

cuuuute

[rancid vector]

it's, in my opinion, definitely highly probable that we will get silksong news soon shaw

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vs-beanbag-catjumping-gif-6100956

[fiery burrow]

in my opinion its probable that manul cats are highly cute

[rancid vector]

it is definitely possible that, when playing silksong on a tv, your cat will attack the bugs

[sly scaffold]

If silksong doesnt come silksoon, I'mma be very silksad

[vivid belfry]

I don't want silksong news, I want the ultrakill complete arsenal update news

[flat remnant]

curious to know your definition of cute because they are goin gremlin mode

[sly scaffold]

REAL

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/3E3HilI

[sly scaffold]

Alt shotgun when

[flat remnant]

mailing you anti-silkpresants

[formal karma]

Be prepared to be silksad

[reef scarab]

Best games are made when the devs have fun doing it so yhh glad if team cherry is doing it until they’re satisfied

[rancid vector]

i just really hope that manor lords releases on april 26th

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-manul-cat-pallas-cat-gif-15516373

[formal karma]

Is manor lords made by the same people as banner lords ?

[flat remnant]

is that not true for all media

[rancid vector]

nope, single dev's first game

[formal karma]

Because that would be funny

[reef scarab]

yeag true

[vivid belfry]

the shotgun swap empire is about to come crumbling down

[rancid vector]

that would be pretty cool

[formal karma]

Damn

[vivid belfry]

or maybe not

who knows

[rancid vector]

lol, missed opportunity

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-happy-kitten-cooking-gif-13873553

[opaque sigil]

the alt rocket launcher though, fire in every sense of the word

[hollow terrace]

NOOOOOO, I FUCKING LOVE CRUNCH CULTURE I LOVE SPIDER-VERSE

[vivid belfry]

do you mean the red variant

because variant and alternate are unrelated things in this fucking game

[sly scaffold]

throughout all of my playtime, I have never once used shotgun swapping lmao

[formal karma]

The summit village thing from III is taking up my building Sim slot

[flat remnant]

labors of love are also really great pieces of art-

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/uPjJ5r9

[vivid belfry]

shotgun swapping is the best way to heal and pboost swapping gets you insane amounts of style very quickly

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fly-gif-26361257

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[vivid belfry]

but it is kind of overrated

[keen kiln]

hey mod, tell me when you want less cat gif

[flat remnant]

whar

[keen kiln]

thank u

[fiery burrow]

Mod here, more cats

[vivid belfry]

shotgun swapping is actually less damage than attractor nailgun holding M1

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/Bcyj4Ls

[opaque sigil]

I only really shotgun swap to heal tbh

[reef scarab]

I think games should be made in LESS time and are BIGGER and by people who are paid LESS to do MORE (/j)

[formal karma]

Emotional support kitties

[flat remnant]

waiter! waiter! more silly cat gifs

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/gallery/N6on11K

[uncut citrus]

nice cat

[reef scarab]

weird car

[uncut citrus]

rude

[reef scarab]

Im bucket

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sandwhich-bread-kitty-kitten-gif-24293158

[uncut citrus]

true!

[flat remnant]

BAD CROP ABORT ABORT

[keen kiln]

2002 honda civic

[fiery burrow]

We're gonna starve

[uncut citrus]

is it a bad crop if there is no crop?

[rancid vector]

i think that, with the utmost degree of respect of other people's differing opinions should there be such differing opinions, that, in my personal opinion, there definitely is an extremely high change that news of silksong's release before the end of 2024 will drop, after which i will probably be marking my calender on the date of its release as a notification to remind me to play silksong on the day that it releases.

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/DUjOuv7

[flat remnant]

WE'RE GONNA STARVE

[shell yacht]

this is a cat gatekeeping post, only post your own cats

[keen kiln]

kk!

[fiery burrow]

no

[keen kiln]

i own all cats in the world

https://imgur.com/2sUMZ2P

[flat remnant]

moral quandry

[barren sequoia]

[sly scaffold]

Actually nah, I dont want ultrakill full arsenal or silksong, I want Karlson

[urban ermine]

You sound a bit too sure about this

[keen kiln]

https://imgur.com/xd6tVB8

[fiery burrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/muv5vj/duško_conquering_his_fear_of_the_bathtub_with_his/

[barren sequoia]

Okay yeah just contacted my landlord and apparently there is a leak

[flat remnant]

tiny baby thing

[keen kiln]

fine, here's my cat

[sly scaffold]

Cat sharing now?

[flat remnant]

i always share

[vivid belfry]

hornet should have a tool that goes meow

[formal karma]

Yes but all I have are different flavors of the same 2 cats

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mewing-mew-cat-mewing-mewing-tutorial-mewing-cat-gif-4828504583966086025

[reef scarab]

when will silksogn come out as gay

[fiery burrow]

Passive tool that makes her go "mrrp" after beating every enemy

[vivid belfry]

that should just be one of her healing voice lines

[keen kiln]

cat in storage

[flat remnant]

catnet..

[urban ermine]

Oh no, catgirl Hornet

[formal karma]

She thinks she's hidden

Her tail was also moving

[sly scaffold]

@neatwheat

[fiery burrow]

Where is she

[sly scaffold]

why did that try to ping

[keen kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-cat-burger-cat-burger-king-bunger-gif-22184259

[sly scaffold]

neatwhat
who even is that

[formal karma]

Oh you...

[keen kiln]

you would not survive as a small rodent

[rancid vector]

in my personal and subjective outlook, which i base off of facts that inherently have no direct indication that silksong news is occurring very soon but may be utilized to derive a hypothesis with no specific degree of perceived accuracy.. it is the learned opinion of myself that, in consideration of these facts, i have enough indication to have a relatively greater degree of hope now than i did prior to june 2022 and in the interim of time between leth's delay announcement and all of the recent occurrences which i previously stated. i shall retain this hope steadfastly with the aim of possibly having something incredibly exciting to look forward to. yay

[reef scarab]

chezburger cat is became what you eat

[sly scaffold]

I dont see anything

[reef scarab]

silsogn tomorrow

[rancid vector]

whoa there

[urban ermine]

Okay that's good xD

[formal karma]

And this is my absolute best girl cheering me up after ingot my cast off

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/shithead-single-celled-organism-his-name-is-shithead-his-name-is-gif-26390295

[vivid belfry]

we were talking about ultrakill earlier so I have to brag

[uncut citrus]

i can confirm this information is indeed true

[fiery burrow]

Numbers

[sly scaffold]

Same flavour of cat?

[rancid vector]

how long has ultrakill been in EA?

[formal karma]

Mhmmm I think so

[vivid belfry]

it's been on steam since 2020

[rancid vector]

wild

[sly scaffold]

[vivid belfry]

I don't know if it launched on other platforms before that

[flat remnant]

fifa ultrakill

[opaque sigil]

[rancid vector]

i just can't wait for half life 3

[formal karma]

BUT. Then there's this cozy gal

[opaque sigil]

I can't wait for the rest of act 3, layer 7 kind of hit the limits of what I could do with my fine motor deficiencies without lowering the difficulty but it slapped

[young saffron]

get blurry cat

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blurry-gif-26972604

[vivid belfry]

I'm just excited for nailgun to finally rise to its true form with a second way to trigger conductor

[formal karma]

Anyone pick up Laysara from the III

[vivid belfry]

I don't watch the news

[formal karma]

I did incase Red Hook has something crazy

[opaque sigil]

I watched it on a whim and got floored by sts2 which I did not think was every happening

[formal karma]

Buuut found 2 other games I.might nab

Yea a lot of people were hyped about that one