sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

that's what the upgrade does yeah

[runic atlas]

so the card should go to discard pile but it doesnt

[opaque sigil]

I thought you were asking what happened if you played multiple echo forms

[runic atlas]

oh yeah i was i forgot

yeah just checked it does the first x cards

but also the upgrade seems to not work?

[opaque sigil]

wdym

removing ethereal doesn't let you play the card multiple times, it just stops it exhausting if you don't play it

[runic atlas]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[opaque sigil]

powers don't go to discard once you play them, they're a one time use

[runic atlas]

how do you tell what is a power and what is a skill

[opaque sigil]

they're labeled at the bottom of the image

[runic atlas]

ok

thx

just got ghost pinged somewhere

esgooo got the perfect achievement

(beat boss without taking damage)

oh no, whatever will i do

wtf do you mean 51 dmg in 1 move

[sly summit]

nooo dont let the bandits steal your gold!

[inland ravine]

sup everyone

[high hedge]

YOOOO

[patent heath]

Gwnj!!!!!!!!!!

[high hedge]

ITS DA GWNJ

hi hi hi gwnj

[inland ravine]

LUFFY AND JAY

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004627119516700782/1190881008631951400/attachment.gif?ex=65a3695d&is=6590f45d&hm=a5f230156f5f07ecb2171ba6b7e64f1054bd4b88c09340ecac47e292e2cd988f&

[high hedge]

Very good to see you

[inland ravine]

same

but my mom complaning about me

[high hedge]

Oh what happened

[inland ravine]

stuff happen but i can not tell

[high hedge]

Thats fair

Hope things perk up for you because you are very cool

[inland ravine]

thanks luffy and chaos and jay

[keen blaze]

GWNJ

[inland ravine]

cookie

[runic atlas]

oh hi gwnj

[inland ravine]

cheese :D

[sage void]

hiiii

[inland ravine]

agent

[sage void]

gwnj

[wide quartz]

agent are you feeling any better

[uncut citrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133935732965265569/1193050321426075709/caption.gif?ex=65ab4db2&is=6598d8b2&hm=056bfde3c623b8f078bc8ed4dd72a59c7dae900e4547cd2482bbc4d7be8e0ec9&

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-face-massage-cat-love-sleepy-yawns-gif-26132730

To you

[uncut citrus]

no...........

thats YOU....

[upbeat bear]

https://tenor.com/view/me-cat-neko-atsume-vr-cat-furry-gif-2625418194988011844

[coarse leaf]

how we coping

[coral prawn]

We aren't

[wide quartz]

what are we coping about

oh right no lisa the pointless MU :(

[upbeat bear]

poorly

[uncut citrus]

then get richer

[upbeat bear]

thats the plan

[coarse leaf]

any Leth news or smth? 😔

[upbeat bear]

chat how do I ask for this cut?

[coral prawn]

God no

[upbeat bear]

answer the question octocorn

how does one ask for this cut without showing the picture

[coral prawn]

[upbeat bear]

do I go with “just fuck my shit up” or sum else

[coral prawn]

Thats what I'm thinking

[upbeat bear]

nah thats too good im trying fuck up my homeboy’s social life

[vocal owl]

broom cut

[upbeat bear]

I was thinking along the lines of “bowl cut and then a mohawk”

[high hedge]

Death row

[upbeat bear]

you think I can bribe someone’s barber to give em this cut

[high hedge]

If that was done to me I think I’d pay extra for them to just slit my throat while they’re at it

[coral prawn]

Do I break the Smoketack or do I heal🤔

[high hedge]

Break

[coral prawn]

Alright

[upbeat bear]

chat do yall got music recomendations

im tryna discover new genres

[high hedge]

Aluo

Or Sonia

[upbeat bear]

anything other than british rap and post 9/11 country music

[coral prawn]

Thats a music genres?

[high hedge]

Trucks guns and hating foreigners

[upbeat bear]

strange music genre

I fw with litterally every other genre

jungle hyperpop jazz hip hop glam rock

[high hedge]

Oh I thought you asked How do we get music recommendations

[upbeat bear]

nah im tryna see if yall got any good music taste

[vocal owl]

I just play trending music so I'm out of this conversation

[coral prawn]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1qV5rOhaYIBBZd4pUb0VfO?si=eabT09oyQ1iyIJc6etZ0ww Peak IDKhow

[upbeat bear]

damn thats sad as hell

wdym you only listen to trending music

[vocal owl]

I just play anything when im in the car

just trendy boring pop stuff mostly

[upbeat bear]

music is a part of the human soul

so you are lacking a part of your soul

art is the greatest form of expression and music is the simplest way to express oneself

[upbeat bear]

ay what genre is this cuz I fw that guitar

[vocal owl]

I do listen to soundtracks of things I like when i'm at home but im too lazy to make a playlist for when im driving or something

[upbeat bear]

sounds like indie rock

[coral prawn]

indie rock/indie pop

(Octopath travler2 spoilers) Wtf I broke your ||train tank|| so why do you still have immunities

Mfr is cheating

[shell yacht]

im barely awake and that looked like a massive bronze mantis ||stopping a train||

atal ka flashback

[upbeat bear]

have you considered getting good?

[surreal terrace]

jap jazz funk

hella bluesy

Been listening to more english/kpop jst so I can relate to people

I think I’m general more chiller derivatives of jazz are coming through to pop

Like laufey type thing ykkyyk

Laufey is more jazz pop but as in bossa nova, more lofi stuff like r&b but there’s definitely a direction towards jazz conventions in my opinion

[manic abyss]

Wow I didn't know trans people were good at doing Livestock farming
Truly the best helpers of our economy

[wide quartz]

has anyone else got this thing on youtube mobile

where it always shows the icon that there are new videos in the subscription tab

its been a problem over the last few days

[upbeat bear]

its part of the skill tree

[modest night]

Do you want me to recommend you music tho 👉👈

[runic atlas]

seems like a skill issue on your end tbh

[wide quartz]

oh sonia i have now finished punpun, what problem did you with it

[kindred magnet]

ss tomorow?

[upbeat bear]

yes

[kindred magnet]

nice

[modest night]

Let me get on my pc for both those convos

[upbeat bear]

more music

[modest night]

Also tell me like

Your limits idk, vocals are you good with screaming

And do you want instrumentals only music?

[upbeat bear]

I will listen to litterally anything that isnt british “people” rap and post 9/11 country music

[modest night]

No preferences at all?

[upbeat bear]

preferably hip hop

dont zote me corn

[wide quartz]

yeah, fuck the british!

[upbeat bear]

dp not fuck that british because then you make more british !

[coral prawn]

You can't stop me

[wide quartz]

holy moly bad mobile adverts got to sky children of the light as well

its truly the end times

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/72UD61ECm6lxYqNGnCfP8h?si=2d0cfe4be2d7490c

opinion on this?

[upbeat bear]

this looks like breakcore

[modest night]

||made me eyeroll that they made the victim of grooming a "manipulative" girl trope right||

[upbeat bear]

or jungle

[modest night]

i think it's just electro

like not particularly breakcore

[wide quartz]

ahh alright thats understandable

[cerulean sable]

electro...

CHEMISTRY???

also i still cannot understand breakcore

[wide quartz]

being written from the male perspective makes that choice seem reasonable, but i see why it can still be offputting

[cerulean sable]

its tududududududududbrrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbnrbrbrbrrbbrtutntutntutntubrrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr

[modest night]

i mean yeah i was hoping the manga to drop hints yuichi is deforming stuff

because at face value it just reads like a dude writing about yet another annoying grooming trope in a medium that doesn't take that shit seriously typically

[cerulean sable]

or maybe it really is a case like that one guy i saw online say: "breakcore has no inbetween, the good ones are really good but anything else is just bad"

[modest night]

ttacco i don't understand music genres really.....

all these people say words i think they're lying but i get the vague gist of them

[cerulean sable]

dont mind me im just perplexed by the genre itself

more of a "i cant seem to get why its good" unless theres a really good melody to it

[modest night]

dude do you like the ultrakill ost

boom breakcore fan or something

[cerulean sable]

oh i like ultrakill's ost yeah

just that the ones that i got on spotify's recommendation is

[silver oak]

Breakcore is nice

[cerulean sable]

well honestly i didnt like any of them

[upbeat bear]

its beautiful piano, drummer thats trying to break the drums, and someone being violently beat as the vocals

[cerulean sable]

ok i think this is just a case of me receiving the wrong subgenre

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5kNZUSaRUs38AEOv19snUk?si=44c8fefa97e44d68

i like this breakcore track

[silver oak]

But I like hardcore dubstep and like riddim and stuff so I’m down for a lot of stuff in terms of weirdness

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/VgrnEVnZ4xU?t=21 like this is one of the few breakcores that i liked

[cerulean sable]

ok this is way nicer than wtv any of the shit spotify recommended me what the fuck

[modest night]

i think it's probably just the wrong songs

[upbeat bear]

this is just young girl A but pitched different

[cerulean sable]

i assuemd so

[modest night]

hold on ttacco

https://open.spotify.com/track/3KBsdO1rkM9O0QASfvoA38?si=c1ff95ef2031465e this too is breakcore

[silver oak]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5xM1Aa2i8CADAIQMSYekgH?si=-gzUMpUrTpSJu7ncAWu08g this is in the realm of breakcore

Got more going on but has that vibe

Also it’s in 7/8 which is sick

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3cFxBXjTOuUiOxnH0tpZe4?si=0022d28dc74b4ede like this is the only i liked from the album i got recommended to

[modest night]

from the preview it seems too busy sounding for me... but i respect the grind

[cerulean sable]

ok i finally understand

the fucking playlist i got was mid /s

[silver oak]

music is music

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4xflY6opfPKwsgIC32cDlP?si=8338535f19c54c61 like this one, is just an example of what i didnt like

[upbeat bear]

NEW FALL OUT BOY SINGLE

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah i jest

[silver oak]

Duran Duran 1.5?

[cerulean sable]

but like, these recommendations that the original spotify playlist i got recommend to is like, a bit too "dry"

[upbeat bear]

duran duran mentioned

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/27eaAfk9Bgjz28GQTwtJKx?si=3d7f02b33ed44aae another example

its like theres no progression or its not going anywhere? if that makes sense

[silver oak]

no but seriously this is one of my favorite songs ever it’s so good

The switchups are insane

[cerulean sable]

again might not just be my cup of tea, but its why i dismissed the genre immediately because i assumed this is all what the rest of them are 🥴

yeah i liked ur recommendation

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6i9Q0dueGsCyg1wSiByj6Z?si=f184ed11942042c1
https://open.spotify.com/track/50UUKavNn5mRyQ4iJxY5Mk?si=80f5206e8c25431a rory is a breakcore artist mostly idk what the other one is but those are other songs i think are cool and have similar vibes

[silver oak]

Six impala mentioned

[modest night]

not sure what they're classified as but yeah

[silver oak]

WFLYTD

They’re a collective of artists so hard to define

[upbeat bear]

what the hell could this possibly be an acronym for

[silver oak]

They kinda just make weird shit

[cerulean sable]

oh yeah not really the same btw

[upbeat bear]

on some lemon demon and jack stauber shit or?

[silver oak]

we fucking love you to death

https://open.spotify.com/track/27X2zcgnjlcK3UZCNTT25c?si=D1jeD7FVSMSoZyoLzg6spw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A383qcrfxKodAdnhXGXbdRX

[uncut citrus]

Wow For Lasagna You Then Dance

[cerulean sable]

but if you guys find something akin to this game's soundtrack in the "ethereal" sounding way then please send me some
https://open.spotify.com/track/51y9bVPbanjhN6zeWee138?si=2a1d8416473a432b
https://open.spotify.com/track/67HKFdOQBC6tKUIiw4Oloy?si=08bb9426892849a9
https://open.spotify.com/track/69ICXGiOg00WbB1TgqlBn8?si=1c573439c9cf4774
https://open.spotify.com/track/26viUgQI2C2QUJ40Hf0We3?si=271ee30f203f4f16

[silver oak]

Underscores is part of them, or was

[modest night]

i made my spotify recommendations based and now it's only like 10k listener artists and meme albums most of the time

[cerulean sable]

according to the author this is apparently EDM/Jungle but i cant find anything that sounds similar in the atmospheric layer

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6YatCHH5Y2qdcPGMe4OLIQ?si=c3816cae30e94c17 i got this from winter

[silver oak]

I almost never use spotify recs

[modest night]

floaty style so maybe it fits

[upbeat bear]

wiggle for laundering yucatan tick dollars

[cerulean sable]

YES

THIS IS THE FUCKING STUFF IM TALKING ABOUT

[modest night]

you should ping winter

and ask her for similar breakcore bands

[cerulean sable]

@violet dune unleas ur recoms, i fucking need ittt

[uncut citrus]

wiggle wiggle

[silver oak]

This isn’t really breakcore, at least the start

More liquid dnb

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah i know this isnt breakcore

[upbeat bear]

if yall could have a JoJo’s stand irl what would it be

[modest night]

i wouldn't have one i stand well enough on my own

[uncut citrus]

idk but it would SLAY

[silver oak]

Oh I missed the comparison tracks above

[upbeat bear]

and follow up would you rather be the only stand user in the world or make it so that every 1/10,000 people become stand users

[silver oak]

Anyway look at my cat

[cerulean sable]

based

[rapid topaz]

John O'Clock

A stand that wakes me up at every morning 😔

[modest night]

be the only one what is this question

[upbeat bear]

mimimimimimi

[modest night]

i guess id feel isolated but people would commit mass murder with this

[rapid topaz]

hi everyone

[uncut citrus]

its looking at me harder than i am looking at it, i lost

[upbeat bear]

I want general antics and chaos in the world so im going with the second option every day

[spiral onyx]

I MAY have blindly got into hollow knight cause it was free on gamepass. Now I'm addicted. I didn't even know about silksong until a few days ago and now I'm mad

[modest night]

slay

[uncut citrus]

slay

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5l4eNAXmYK9uLx5P2RMPq9?si=b20f1b1beca34c9b ttacco idk if this is up your alley but it's cool

[rapid topaz]

I thought this was the rapper for a second

it's spelled differently

(nice track though)

[upbeat bear]

realistically this is what most people are gonna get

[cerulean sable]

the instrumentation is unironically reminding me of Muse

(this is a good thing)

[upbeat bear]

completly worthless stands or stands that have no benefit for that specific user

[cerulean sable]

though im liking the guitars on Fia more

[upbeat bear]

or hyper specific activation requirments

[modest night]

it's from igorrr and another french artist

[cerulean sable]

ngl this is actually giving me Dwarf Fortress vibe

[modest night]

omg

im honored

[rapid topaz]

I'd love a stand that allow me to focus on multiple things at once but unironically
Because I have a big issue regarding that, I often can't do multiple things at once, I have to focus on a single

[upbeat bear]

IGOR BY TYLER THE CREATOR?

[modest night]

nah

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0O8k8aChBTHLOBaYyHmz8m?si=937f0d154c4f4f73
https://open.spotify.com/track/5hB9tc9oY95WhwvYapPT9V?si=6409fb41204d47ef

like, they sound different, but something about the "vibe" of it

[upbeat bear]

me personally if I have to have a preexisting stand id take harvest, if not some stand that lets me change peoples hormones like ivankrov’s fruit

[modest night]

i see it

[rapid topaz]

I see

[upbeat bear]

shigechi (my goat) was held back by morality

[modest night]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1Hvrq2dWErSamXOIaCiJ5Y?si=c0e41eddd242483c i still really like this track..

[upbeat bear]

me personally I would have sent harvest for 100 dollar bills

and estrogen

[rapid topaz]

well for preexisting huh... maybe the Healing stand of Josuke
Because you know, wounds sucks

[cerulean sable]

ye sonia

[rapid topaz]

Can the stand of Josuke heal depression

[cerulean sable]

this album is getting a certified ttacco seal of tortilla

[upbeat bear]

||if shigechi wasnt done so dirty part 4 would be 10 episodes shorter||

[modest night]

slay ill keep sending you weird shit i come across

[cerulean sable]

corpomentente i mean 🥴

[modest night]

yeah i know

[cerulean sable]

bbased

ur not getting the poleaxe today

[upbeat bear]

diamond is unbreakable cant affect the user and it can only heal physical wounds pre mortem

[steep night]

Silksong today!

[rapid topaz]

That's a shame

But like, theorically you could heal mental wounds right?

for other people

[upbeat bear]

nah he is purely limited to physical wounds

[rapid topaz]

[upbeat bear]

cause he just repairs physical objects

[runic atlas]

Honestly I don't know anymore if there are like events that I just don't know about or if people are just trolling

[upbeat bear]

like people or animals or buildings n shit

[rapid topaz]

What is the french artist?

[upbeat bear]

typically its just trolling

[cerulean sable]

igorrr sounds

familair

[upbeat bear]

or shitposts

[cerulean sable]

i think ive heard of them before

also for something completely different
https://open.spotify.com/track/26I8Se3pMUKf56A2NAL9va?si=71ea7b1c41c44eaf

[runic atlas]

Holy shut Crazy Diamond is a FMAB alchemist

[upbeat bear]

https://tenor.com/view/igor-gif-23380951

[cerulean sable]

not earfquake igor smh

[rapid topaz]

I WISH THEY WERE

[upbeat bear]

eh close enough

[rapid topaz]

but nah Crazy Diamond is a less cool alchemist

[runic atlas]

Well not exactly

He's more cool tbh

Doesn't need circles

[cerulean sable]

also this one i guess https://open.spotify.com/track/7gOi88gP4o1uv1kaL02yBB?si=fef395033c92471d but thats it for me see ya (i fucking hate mondays and i have to work tomorrow fucks sake)

[upbeat bear]

fast punch and also fix

[steep night]

John Money, Inventor of Money, dead at 43

[upbeat bear]

which he does use to mentally torture his opponents at times

[rapid topaz]

I agree he's cooler in appearance

because average alchemist is like... a random soldier

[upbeat bear]

like highway star’s user

[rapid topaz]

Treue

[upbeat bear]

if harvest was tied to a physically stronger user part 4 would have been over so quick

[rapid topaz]

Ngl I'd be opressed if I see them in the streets even if they're cool looking

[upbeat bear]

this is the most goated stand and I will die on this hill

that reminds me is there an actual limit to how many individual harvests shigechi could spawn

[rapid topaz]

I forgot if they speak or make sounds

[upbeat bear]

what the hell does this mean

[rapid topaz]

having them in your house can be annoying if so

[upbeat bear]

I mean stands only apear when you summon them

[rapid topaz]

Many stands are threatening because it's impressive imo

[upbeat bear]

except for like certain cases

[upbeat bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[rapid topaz]

[upbeat bear]

im pretty sure harvest is basically silent anyways so im set

its also a long ranged stand so the user isnt actually affected by what happens to it

[upbeat bear]

you are just bad at explaining

[rapid topaz]

or you are bad at understanding

or both

[upbeat bear]

little bit of both

[rapid topaz]

Well I just meant that if theorically stands existed IRL, most of them would be like, scary? idk how to say
I don't see why people would be ok with them

If you can see them

[upbeat bear]

non stand users cant see stands so

[rapid topaz]

of course it's a fiction and the characters are brave enough to fight them, that's a whole other context

[upbeat bear]

while regular civilians can still be affected by stands

they cant actually see them or interact with them

[rapid topaz]

yeah but like imagine you get hit by an invisible force like that

by randomly walking somewhere

in any scenario that would suck

[upbeat bear]

I mean like

very rarely do stands affect regular ass people

a lot of the time the universe just kinda bends so that questions arent asked

[rapid topaz]

Because it depends on how people use them, if the user is an asshole, people are most likely doomed you know what I mean

[upbeat bear]

like the grateful dead

[rapid topaz]

It doesn't because most user won't use them for murder or anything

can you trust people IRL on that though

[upbeat bear]

I mean most likely stand users just run into each other

which is sometimes bad

[rapid topaz]

yeah true

[upbeat bear]

for the entire world

cough cough part 6 cough cough

[stark crescent]

When do yall think ss comes out?

[upbeat bear]

yesteryear

[fiery burrow]

We don't really have enough information to draw conclusions

[high hedge]

Stand users attract each other

So they often naturally encounter each other

But also outside of Part 4 stand users are typically sent after the protagonists

[upbeat bear]

born to be like shigechi forced to be like koichi but tall

[runic atlas]

it came out ereyesterday

[silver oak]

That’s the BORING answer

We should make more wild speculations

[high hedge]

True

[stark crescent]

End of 2024

[cerulean sable]

@opaque sigil should Wyvern Lords be able to carry this fucking thing

[rapid topaz]

I think it was a nice twist, seeing regular people having some stands for everyday stuff

[uncut citrus]

yeah

[high hedge]

Part 4 is one of my favorites

I love the misadventures in morioh

[uncut citrus]

silksong will release on june 17th, i decided

[high hedge]

Can you make it later please

[rapid topaz]

Thank you Reeves

[silver oak]

November 19th I think

[uncut citrus]

it is too late

[fiery burrow]

early 2025

[rapid topaz]

throws a dice I think it will drop the August 25th

Dice landed on 5 so

[uncut citrus]

yall sillies, only im right

[rapid topaz]

Throws 3 dices and see the results

wait isn't it "die" for plural

I always found it weird

[runic atlas]

June 12th

[silver oak]

yeah, die

[runic atlas]

2021*

Die was singular I believe

[silver oak]

Got a quote for you reeves

[coral prawn]

Np👍

[uncut citrus]

thanks bestie

[high hedge]

Opposite

[rapid topaz]

So 1 die and 2+ dice?

[uncut citrus]

actually doesnt make too bad of a quote, considering how down bad i am for quotes, i might use it 😌

[high hedge]

Yes

[rapid topaz]

It's hard to remember

Always assumed Dice was singular

[high hedge]

I’ll always remind you <3

[rapid topaz]

[runic atlas]

I mean technically by now Dice is both singular and plural

[silver oak]

ismalove will be the first to go in the purge

[rapid topaz]

I refuse

[uncut citrus]

a shame, but it us rarely ever used indeed 😔

[silver oak]

Actually probably not but it’s pretty low

[rapid topaz]

[vivid belfry]

Hornet should have a tool where squid happens

[silver oak]

She’s a spider she’s a uh, child?

[brittle garnet]

squid game

[stark crescent]

Will hornet have the same abilitys as in the hollow knight game

[sinful flare]

isnt that the german word

[brittle garnet]

no

[vivid belfry]

Yes and more

[silver oak]

Similar, but different

[uncut citrus]

do ylal have like an excel sheet with emote uses to and you'll kill the bottom ones when you need to add new emotes?

[upbeat bear]

chat should I assemble a yu gi oh deck built entirely around gambling

[rapid topaz]

Unused emotes have their charm because they're usused so you can be original

[brittle garnet]

amazing, 3 different responses

[silver oak]

She’s faster and more mobile

[brittle garnet]

she seems to not have the exact same abilities except wall climb

[rapid topaz]

I don't know

[silver oak]

The big thing is instead of charms she has tools, which are more active and varied

[brittle garnet]

everything else looks to be different, to a varying degree

[vivid belfry]

I interpreted it as the same abilities as her boss fight

[brittle garnet]

i interpreted it as the Knight's abilities

[silver oak]

@stark crescent what did you mean

[opaque sigil]

Wyvern lords should be able to do whatever the hell they want

[stark crescent]

?

[rapid topaz]

Ledge grab will feel good to use

[silver oak]

Did you mean same as the boss fight or same as the knight

[stark crescent]

Boss fight

[wanton charm]

It can't be much longer surely?...

[opaque sigil]

She has all those things and more

[vivid belfry]

I looove jumping out of ledge grabs, I want to get married to jumping out of ledge grabs

[silver oak]

Grover said that already smh my head

[rapid topaz]

I want to be married to grapple hooks in videogames

My love for this has grown since past years

[vivid belfry]

My one potential issue with the ledge grab in silksong can be seen in blasphemous 2

[silver oak]

I swear I’m forgetting an element other than tools and silk abilities

oh right crest layouts

[wanton charm]

Different attacks will be fun

[silver oak]

Yeah hopefully it will allow for more varied playstyles

As long as they balance it well

[jade canopy]

Why do every time I see Etimo talking they share the most absolute based possible opinions ?
I’m perplexed

[vivid belfry]

In BL2, pulling up from a ledge is so fast that it can be difficult to drop down from one

[stark crescent]

Will ss even ever release?

[wanton charm]

Yeah, I mean it's been 5 years+ so 🤷

[silver oak]

yes

[vivid belfry]

Of course that could be fixed by just not having platforms too close together

[rapid topaz]

wow thank you

[silver oak]

patience is key

[stark crescent]

I need the key

[silver oak]

Oh so it’s hard to fall down cuz you get caught on ledges?

[rapid topaz]

One game that use grapple is A Story About My Uncle, I need to try it so bad

[vivid belfry]

You get caught on ledges and instantly pull yourself onto the platform before you can cancel the grab

[wanton charm]

I bet TC will stay silent even after the release of silksong

[silver oak]

Who knows

The future is bright

[vivid belfry]

You have to he pretty conscious about letting go of the analog stick before or as you touch the ledge

But there aren't many instances in the game where it's a problem

[opaque sigil]

They’ll probably be a handful of interviews and whatnot before they buckle in and work on their next project

[sinful flare]

then you shall wait

[wanton charm]

Idk, they just disappeared for 5 years with no official word from them, just affirmations from leth

[runic atlas]

When Silksong releases people will be immediately saying "So how long until post launch free dlc?"

[stark crescent]

5+ years

[silver oak]

The chances that silksong will have dlc at all is low imo

[jade canopy]

Nah, im betting that they are gonna start a let’s play channel and stream vlogs

[wanton charm]

Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, oh well hopefully this is the year lads

[stark crescent]

Prop isnt

[opaque sigil]

The reasons HK had updates were certainly not great

[wanton charm]

Dlc will prolly be included at release as part of the game

[stark crescent]

2025

[silver oak]

A big reason HK had so many content packs was because they didn’t think the game was finished

[stark crescent]

Dont think ss will have dlc

[modest night]

it's the abstract metal french guy

i don't like his music but i respect his style

[jade canopy]

I want your definition of disappearing
A trailer and the edge magazine (while both somewhat old) where released in those 5 years

[uncut citrus]

FALSE

[runic atlas]

SS releases

Triple the size of HK

"Btw the game isn't really finished so we're gonna make a few free DLCs"

[opaque sigil]

Also the demo and blogposts weren’t five years ago yet

[rapid topaz]

What's the issue in Blasphemous 2?

[wanton charm]

🤣, your right june 12th 2024 confirmed

[stark crescent]

How long will ss be?

[silver oak]

It would be so awesome

[stark crescent]

Bec they are taking 5+ years

[cerulean sable]

is someone crying about TC again

[silver oak]

It will take 5 years to complete

[silver oak]

shush

[jade canopy]

Business as usual yup

[high hedge]

I’ve heard its a bit disappointing from some people

[wanton charm]

Prolly like 1.5x as long

[runic atlas]

Nah we just talking Silksong I think

[uncut citrus]

if Ari smirk?

[cerulean sable]

aight the suual then, im going back to sleep

[stark crescent]

Just 1.5x

[fiery burrow]

They abandoned us

[uncut citrus]

or Larkin smirk?

[fiery burrow]

I bet they are laughing on their gilded thrones rn 😔

[wanton charm]

Idk I'm no playtester unfortunately

[stark crescent]

I hope atleast 2x

[silver oak]

I wouldn’t mind a game that’s similar size to HK as long as it’s of a quality TC is proud of

[warped rock]

we should overthrow team cherry, no taxation without representation

[stark crescent]

And not just 2x bec if the 12%

[cerulean sable]

silksong fans be like: theres no way silksong should take this long its just a 2d game while also simultaneously saying "a 3 man studio should be able to make a 100 hour long game at this point"

[stark crescent]

Of

[silver oak]

Keep in mind HK is one of the nicest Metroidvanias ever

[runic atlas]

I mean I'd assume it to be larger tbh

[silver oak]

Ok I meant biggest but nicest works too

[wanton charm]

Same but we will just have to wait and see

[stark crescent]

I rl hope that the game will be more than 2x bec the 12% will prop make the playtime 2x longer

[rapid topaz]

I used maths to determine that silksong will take 74 silkillions seconds to complete

[wanton charm]

Just based off the trailers silksong looks fucking epic, already looked better than hk in 2019 reveal

[warped rock]

imagine we play it and then it says "to be continued in part 2"

[opaque sigil]

After a thousand years they will come, clad in red and surrounded by fields of cherries, to restore the waiters’ connection to the game that was hyped

[sinful flare]

whats that in cheeseburger units

[fiery burrow]

i can't LIVE THAT long

[cerulean sable]

i honestly hope it isnt, at a certain point youll eventually hit a burn out and a game can overstay its welcome

[silver oak]

The detail in the environments is actually insane in the xbox trailer

[rapid topaz]

801.5 cheeseburgers

[cerulean sable]

you can only make so much unique stuff at a certain point

imo game should be 1.25x at max,

[sinful flare]

thats quite long

[stark crescent]

Ye ok but like my 1st playtrough became 2x as long bec kf the 12%

[wanton charm]

Ari's art is truly spectacular

[silver oak]

It shall be so

[rapid topaz]

given that HK is about 297 cheesburgers long yeah

[wanton charm]

Can't wait for Christopher Larkin's music as well

[cerulean sable]

id rather have 30-40 hours of meaningful content vs to 100h where 80% of it mindlessly grinding

[fiery burrow]

Moss grotto is so nice sounding

[cerulean sable]

30-40 is already pushing it tbh

[wanton charm]

Why not both?

[stark crescent]

The 12%

[silver oak]

HK took me like 70 hours the first time I think

[cerulean sable]

because i am not putting overtly high expectation for a 3 man indie team

[fiery burrow]

Because grinding is miserable as was the final percentages in HK

[modest night]

the quest board..

[runic atlas]

Tbh Silksong should be twice as large as Elden Ring including the DLC

[wanton charm]

Idk I personally enjoyed godhome even though markoth exists

[fiery burrow]

Godhome was OK

[modest night]

i also loved godhome

[cerulean sable]

in a best of both worlds its would be cool to have that much unique content, but again, were talking UNIQUE content, and you can only do so much unless you introduce an entirely different gameplay element

[fiery burrow]

I enjoy the first 4 pantheons

Probably because they aren't 30 minutes long

[rapid topaz]

yeah I'd rather play 30-40h and then eventually replay the game in a different way just like in HK, than 100+ hours with stretched out parts that are annoying to redo

[cerulean sable]

and also i find 20-30 hours of high quality content thats REPLAYABLE to be better than 100h of grinding

[silver oak]

hornet: gee there’s nothing for me to do! I wonder how I’m going to get enough rosaries to pay the toll!
Garmond and zaza escort quest:

[wanton charm]

I have a feeling they are scared that they can't surpass the quality of hk, hence why it's taking so long, I feel bad for them despite no communication

[cerulean sable]

if the game is good enough ill replay it and thats enough to rack my hours

[rapid topaz]

lmao

[stark crescent]

Did u do 12%?

[rapid topaz]

🤝

[cerulean sable]

but if a game boils down to numbers by adding repetitive content, i might as well not touch the game again

yeah, what about 12%?

[silver oak]

wdym by 12%, just godhome stuff?

[stark crescent]

Ye

[fiery burrow]

Silksoul will probably help with replayability

[stark crescent]

That was grinding

[cerulean sable]

yeah i did, and why is this relevant again

[runic atlas]

Not really tbh

[wanton charm]

Yeah, it's not permadeath I wonder what it'll be

[cerulean sable]

yeah i did 112 for the sake of it but i didnt exactly enjoy it as much as the core game

it was just out of stubborn completionism

[stark crescent]

Same

[cerulean sable]

but not exactly something id do again

[fiery burrow]

Adrenaline + Rage meter

[opaque sigil]

godhome just doesn't do the stuff that makes hk exceptional

[runic atlas]

Pantheon 5 isn't even needed for 112% and the rest wasn't really grindy at all

[warped rock]

the completion of hk is fun

[cerulean sable]

yeah agreed

[silver oak]

Look I say I don’t like godhome but really it’s not that bad, just in comparison to the rest of the game it doesn’t give me a whole lot to come back to

[stark crescent]

Im not gonna do the 12% in my second playtrough

[modest night]

you guys are just godhome haters sigh.......

nah but it's kinda its own seperate thing

[silver oak]

And proud

[fiery burrow]

Godhome would be so much better with toggleable bindings

[runic atlas]

Godhome best part of the game tbh

[warped rock]

i did it in my second playthrough because seeing 98% was giving me an ick

[wanton charm]

But the godhome endings are my favorite

[warped rock]

no

[runic atlas]

HK boss fights are better than everything else in the game if you ask me

[hollow terrace]

Simo is crying

[fiery burrow]

My condolences

[cerulean sable]

i think the core of what made HK good is the exploration, having the boss rush option is fine dont get me wrong, its there for people who wanted to master the combat aspect

but if not exactly going to be excited if they start advertising Silksong to have x amount more hours but most of it is going to be grinding

[silver oak]

I think it’s the easiest part of the game to not like, even if you loved the rest

[cerulean sable]

ehem Ubisoft games ehem

[modest night]

i think it was a good addition because i love replaying bosses and the difficulty in the base game dies as soon as you use spells, so if you're looking for that the bosses is also a nice touch even if it's not necessary at all

[wanton charm]

Agreed

[modest night]

did they even say that

[cerulean sable]

they didnt

[silver oak]

According to EDGE silksong will have a focus on combat

[warped rock]

my favorite part of hollow knight is the movement, music, and collecting stuff doing the little things like collecting charms and stuff

[modest night]

that's so sad why are we talking about hypothetical advertisement

[wanton charm]

Which is why I'm hype, cuz godhome was fun

[silver oak]

Which is really funny because the Xbox trailer showed off some really awesome platforming

[haughty ingot]

Even if it doesn't, I'll mod it

[silver oak]

The Leth comment all over again

[opaque sigil]

that's kind of a weird paraphrase and idk if without the context it is all that accurate

[wanton charm]

Yall think we'll get a path of pain of sorts?

[stark crescent]

I loved the exploration of holloe know. Thats why mine second playtrough of the game after 5 years, still isnt the same

[warped rock]

someone will mod it in

[modest night]

hk is a bit unreplayable for me because i know what im gonna find and that's completely ok

godhome fills that spot replayability wise

[fiery burrow]

What can top WP and PoP tbh

[cerulean sable]

im just using it as an example with people wanting Silksong to be 100+ hours

thats not just realistic because at a certain point, youll reach an upperbound and you can only do so much unless you start introducing entiretly different systems to the game, that it might as well feel divorced or bloated. a more focused experience is better vs trying to kitchen sink it

if your game is good enough, youll get your 100h+ of content via replaying it if its justifiable to do so (ie games like Dark Souls with the build variety for example)

[wanton charm]

Idk, silksong cannot release near gta6, it would be overshadowed

[runic atlas]

i mean sure why not

[warped rock]

celeste

[cerulean sable]

if theyre gonna add a grind element then thats fine, just dont center the game around it, and make it optional if you can

[fiery burrow]

Celeste is quite different and tbh it doesn't have the same atmosphere

Though I absolutely love it for its unique stuff

[warped rock]

true

[stark crescent]

Celeste is parcour

Not the same as holloe knight

[wanton charm]

And gta6 is slated for sometime Q1 2025, so hopefully silksong before then

[cerulean sable]

imagine if youre gated progression wise until you reach a certain level ( this applies to any game btw ), and youll end up doing repetitition just to be able to push past through the story

thats not "SEE WE ADDED 300h OF MORE CONTENT" thats just senseless padding

[fiery burrow]

Chapter 5 and 9 have equally good atmospheres

[rapid topaz]

My point of view of a good scenario about Silksong "length" would be about 30-40h for base game, more if you want to minmax all and search secrets, but then a very solid alternate game mode (which isn't the mid permadeath one) that would make you replay and enjoy the game a second time.
So that given your knowledge and expertise you gathered about your first time, you could approach it in a different way since the game would be twisted/made harder/or anything that is convincing enough to be fun as a second playthrough

[silver oak]

Have they confirmed that?

[cerulean sable]

yeah this

[wanton charm]

That'd be cool

[silver oak]

Anyway I don’t think the GTA and Silksong core audiences are gonna have a huge overlap

[opaque sigil]

if ss is structured like hk the playtime will probably be a pretty highly variable thing

[cerulean sable]

replayability is going to be on your alternative mode, and in return you dont have to add tedious elements to try and inflate your game's length

[modest night]

i don't think it really makes sense to talk about the perfect game length i mean like, im fine with any length as long as the experience feels right

[wanton charm]

True, but gta6 is very popular

[modest night]

im sure they'll do that but we don't need to make up stuff to disagree about idk

[rapid topaz]

Yeah true

[opaque sigil]

there's also nonlinearity as a factor for replayability

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah thats the thing, in a perfect world, you can have both quality content AND high quantities of it

its just that look at other AAA games, even they couldnt handle putting enough content without stuff feeling like padding or making the pacing suffer

what more is TC? with people expecting 100h at the minimum

[warped rock]

im excited to buy silksong merch

[fiery burrow]

tbh I'm gonna miss the extra 12% because that made routing quite fun for the achievements

[warped rock]

just as much as i want to play thre game

[silver oak]

there was definitely stuff I found for the first time in my second playthrough of HK

[fiery burrow]

I love games that you slowly uncover through multiple playthroughs. Hyper Light Drifter did this quite well imo, took me like 11 playthroughs to find everything

[warped rock]

my second playthrough only existed for getting the rest of the achievments like speedrun and steel heart

[cerulean sable]

in a perfect world wed get Silksong with high quality content for plenty of hours

but thats unrealistic, right now the most pragmatic way of expecting it is "im expecting 20-30h of quality content from TC, if theres more then thats good, but i dont need to expect 100h out of it"

this is more of a critic to the fanbase expecting 100h at the minimum for everything, ive seen enough "THIS GAME HAS TAKEN SO LONG, I EXPECT IT TO BE 2x OR 3x LARGER THAN HK"

[normal oriole]

One of my favs

[silver oak]

I’ve heard omori does this well

[rapid topaz]

nonlinearity should be present for that genre of game anyways, but I think HK did that in a smart way by keeping the original Metroids philosophy, where sequence breaks are allowed as they won't lock you behind any content in the game.

A good example is getting to Hornet 2 fight before Hornet 1, even if it's weird it's completely allowed and you can trigger Hornet 1 event afterward with no issues.

[opaque sigil]

would be a bit weird if it didn't have upgrades, doubt pale ore will be back

[wanton charm]

I tried beating hornet sentinel with 5 masks and baby nail on steel soul, it didn't end well

[fiery burrow]

Shining ore

[cerulean sable]

also while its subjective, theres grounds discussion whether HK felt too long for its own good, but thats another entirely different discussion

[opaque sigil]

eh HK is as long as you make it

[silver oak]

I mean like people have pointed out categorizing games by amount of hours is faulty because of differences in skill and familiarity

[cerulean sable]

i dont share the sentiment but HK has been criticized about it before

[fiery burrow]

Its only like that if you 112% it imo

[versed pollen]

There'll be a plant that Hornet wraps around her needle to upgrade it Imo

[fiery burrow]

Getting all grubs certainly is annoying

[runic atlas]

i mean i'd expect it to be the same size as hk if not a tiny bit more, 20-30 hours seems pessimistic

[silver oak]

Hornet cosmetics or we riot

[cerulean sable]

im still on the camp that TGT is only carried by the boss fight, the actual "quest" is

well to be frank, shit tbh

20-30 hours is not pessimistic tbh

a lot of high quality games are around that margin

[opaque sigil]

I don't think that's a hot take

[cerulean sable]

if pushes to 30-40h then thats good, but around 60+ and the only time expecting that is from RPGs most of the time

[silver oak]

I’m expecting to take like at least 50 hours on silksong, if it’s comparable to HK

[cerulean sable]

but again its nto really something we can quantify right now

[silver oak]

I’m just not that good at games lmao

[rapid topaz]

what's TGT

[wanton charm]

Her needle could have pure nail texture for 1000000 rosaries

[cerulean sable]

all in all

Silksong having around the same length of HK but at a higher quality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expecting 100h at the minimum

[fiery burrow]

Black and white weaver cloak

[opaque sigil]

grimm troupe

[cerulean sable]

Grimm Troupe

[rapid topaz]

thanks

[versed pollen]

The krill issuer....

[warped rock]

tails gets trolled

[cerulean sable]

not saying its a hottake, but its just an example of HK of what i mean hours of gameplay is not necessarily good gameplay

[opaque sigil]

honestly that does not sound like a good fit

[silver oak]

I mean

[cerulean sable]

anyway i think SS improving pacing is already gonna fix like, 50% of the first game's problems/criticisms

[opaque sigil]

messy non-normalized movement

[cerulean sable]

it is unironically THE biggest thing thats complained about the game

[silver oak]

You mean in the beginning?

[fiery burrow]

Imo better complex enemy design is also a huge deal

[cerulean sable]

both the start and just the movement

[wanton charm]

We are getting that in silksong so hooray

[opaque sigil]

I don't really think the pacing in hk's early game is bad, it's just a bit of a gradual introduction and that feels bad on subsequent playthroughs

[cerulean sable]

i would agree to some extent BUT
ive seen enough people drop the game saying they had to force themselves until wall climb

[stark crescent]

Yap yap yap, i just wanna play silksong

[fiery burrow]

The map equipment is kinda pricy and I think thats lame

[cerulean sable]

yes i understand that its intentional, the early game is meant to be slow

[wanton charm]

But it takes like 20-30 mins on subsequent playthroughs? For mothwing cloak

[opaque sigil]

20-30 annoyingly slow minutes

which is not fun

[cerulean sable]

theres nothing wrong with it being slower paced but its not gonna hurt the game to give a little bit more leeway early on

[opaque sigil]

ledge climb should do a lot to fix it

[wanton charm]

True

[cerulean sable]

again, i personally did not find any issues, but it definitely is a majority of players

yeah ledge climb is part of the solution

[fiery burrow]

You can not engage in discussion if you don't want to

[remote shoal]

I remember forgetting about HK for 3 months in my first playthrough

[cerulean sable]

by pacing i dont just mean "the game should give you everything at the start immediately" but rather its fucking bland

[opaque sigil]

the sprint could also help but assuming it comes with the dash it's only coming at the point where hk starts to pick up

[cerulean sable]

having barely any interactivity except for jump, pogo, and spell for first 30m on average is enough to dissuade people

first impressions after all

[fiery burrow]

Tools are quite useful in that regard

[opaque sigil]

probably more than that on first playthrough

[cerulean sable]

first playthrough for me was like 60 minutes yeah

and a lot of people drop the game until wall climb, which is 1.5 - 2.5 hours in general

[opaque sigil]

idk if tools are going to be something you get that early

[silver oak]

I think I spent like 90 minutes in crossroads, didn’t find greenpath, and dropped the game for 6 months

[fiery burrow]

I'd assume you get them around Bonebottom since they're in the deep docks

[opaque sigil]

well I suspect you get the first one from the grindle spot

[cerulean sable]

yeah, like theres really just not much to do until dash

[runic atlas]

i saw this without context and thought you beat the game in 60 mins the first tiem you played it

[stark crescent]

How long is an avarage hollow knight playtrough without the 12%?

[cerulean sable]

you jump, you pogo, you cast spells, and thats about it

[fiery burrow]

Thats a fair guess

[opaque sigil]

or at least the first red one

[stark crescent]

I also stopped the 1st time bec i had no idea where i was supposed to go

[remote shoal]

hes just like me fr

[cerulean sable]

i cant put it in words, my uhhh limited vocab isnt letting me

[versed pollen]

Yea but casting spells is epic

[remote shoal]

if you figure out the pogo*

[silver oak]

true

[cerulean sable]

but like, even having something as simple as a ledge climb gives you this level of agency around the environment

[fiery burrow]

Vengeful spirit is kinda bland imo. Shade Soul is a lot better

[opaque sigil]

ledge climb also means early game navigating isn't a pain in the ass if you're a few pixels off on a jump

vengeful spirit is good for when it comes, shade soul is better but you also get it later

[stark crescent]

Im happy that hollow knight gets harder and not stays the same

[fiery burrow]

I want to burn enemies through walls immediately

[opaque sigil]

and like an upgrade making something more fun to use as well as more potent is the gold standard

[sinful flare]

casting spells is cool and all but have you ever got a quad hit on sly with shade soul

[versed pollen]

I haven't even seen a video of that happening before

Probably possible if you're insane and fire when he dash slashes

[cerulean sable]

it ticks this reward part of your brain with like "oh i get a cool boost if i time my ledge climbs and jumps correctly" and just performing a unique animation just makes you feel... cool? (and yeah not to mention its a good QOL for platforming)

its like when i play Insurgency, its faster to just crouch jump through a window, but instead i intentionally do a sprint + jump thing which makes your character perform a wall vault animation

or when i see door i can just go through that like a normal fucking person, but no, everyone will instead opt to charge/sprint and break through the door because, its just satisfying

[sinful flare]

nah i meant phase 2

i somehow had him travel in a very straight line

[versed pollen]

I suppose that would also work

[cerulean sable]

vs to what in HK? "oh wow you can optimize your hops and pogo and" yeah its not as satisfying

[versed pollen]

Missing a random jump by like 3px and then falling all the way down in a game with already slow platforming does feel pretty balls

[cerulean sable]

that too 🥴

but yeah ledge climb is just satisfying to engage with

[remote shoal]

is it auto

to ledge climb

[cerulean sable]

hopping from platform is bland compared to "oh im gonna intentionally try to chain my ledge boost because it makes me feel like im a badass"

[hallow ravine]

If silksong is a sequel how is she gonna refer to the past like what ending she would refer if she would to ?

[cerulean sable]

theyll simply make it vague

[hallow ravine]

Yah obviously

[cerulean sable]

if the story of Silksong is going to be focusing on Pharloom then theres not much reason to explore what happened to Hallownest

whats important is more on Hornet's background with the weavers

[fiery burrow]

It can happen after all endings so they wouldn't reference a specific one

[opaque sigil]

this makes a very strange assumption that she will refer to anything like that

[hallow ravine]

Yah but she wold say something that contradicts one of hollowknights ending eventually

[opaque sigil]

why

[silver oak]

I would hope they’ll try to make it so you don’t have to know anything about HK to fully understand the plot of silksong

[runic atlas]

whatever happened to hallownest should remain unknown tbh. let it be legend and live forever as such. maybe some npcs can talk about what happened to it and every one of them describes one of the different endings

[fiery burrow]

She references her tools from Hornet 2, stuff like that is probably what she's going to say

[opaque sigil]

that's what's in line with their explicit intent

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats the thing, SS is a good entry point for non HK players, thats what TC always said
having a clear ending or referencing what happened is against their MO on both that and making everyones journey in HK equally valid

so the goal is to, not just reference any of the possible endings

like at all

[hallow ravine]

Idk it's a bit hard to make Hornet not say something that contradicts with hollowknight

[opaque sigil]

it's not

[cerulean sable]

like what

literally just dont make her say it to begin with

[silver oak]

The only HK stuff that’s relevant to silksong is the weavers

[opaque sigil]

the endings of hk don't really affect pharloom so there's no reason to think it would be at all difficult to just not bring them up

[cerulean sable]

something as simple as "i fought a vessel" isnt going to change much

[fiery burrow]

Whoopsies, TC accidentally put a "Man that interaction with The Hollow Knight was sick" without realizing it. That happens all the time

[hallow ravine]

Likei saying she didn't got chased in her dreams before or something like that wich she said to the knight that he is chasing her in her dreams don't ask me why she would say this thing that's just a example

[cerulean sable]

what

[fiery burrow]

Why would she mention that

[hallow ravine]

Please read the whole message

[shell yacht]

hornets godhome dialogue only vaguely mentions that shes aware shes dreaming

[silver oak]

The knight will not be in silksong if they’re smart

[fiery burrow]

I mean it applies to anything she says about an ending

[opaque sigil]

the point is that there's no reason for saying anything ending specific, you need to give a reason why she would have to say something about one or else the whole argument is moot

not just give hypothetical things she could say

[cerulean sable]

yeah, like, TC would to need to get in their way into a situation like that to even necessitate the need to mention that piece of dialogue

they simply dont

[shell yacht]

hornet could literally say "yeah one of my siblings returned but the region is still screwed up" and not be specific

there could be a ton of detail and not be specific

[hallow ravine]

Let's say that she is talking to one of the weavers and she said all the weavers are dead in hallownest that kind of things that I'm afraid the devs might fall into

[opaque sigil]

that is completely ending agnostic

[shell yacht]

the weavers fled hallownest thats not info they dont have

[fallen blaze]

Hop on showdown

[silver oak]

I’m confident TC are smart enough to not write themselves into a corner

[cerulean sable]

"Heir to a dead kingdom I am, and suffice to say... the situation there is quite complicated. But I have more problems at hand for now."

tada you avoid the problems by writing something like that that GGWP now dont explain the rest of it or risk cornering yourself by saying anything more unecessary

[torpid orchid]

hello

[warped rock]

hai

[hallow ravine]

Yah I'm trying to explain what kind of stuff hornet may contradicts hollowknight lore but yall been talking like I'm saying she would say these things

[cerulean sable]

what kind of stuff hornet may contradicts hollowknight lore

Which isnt going to be a lot

[opaque sigil]

she could say "1+1=3" but idk why that's worth considering

[hallow ravine]

My God

[opaque sigil]

this is what you were saying, this is not something that would be hard

[shell yacht]

ngl i dont see your point bc youre just hypothesizing nonexistant events

[opaque sigil]

this is also not true

[fiery burrow]

Character trait: The weavers are terrible at math

Thats why their SoB doesn't work, they made some inaccurate calculations

[opaque sigil]

there's no reason to assume tc will have any problem not contradicting HK

[hallow ravine]

Who knows William could make a mistake

[opaque sigil]

ok so you're not even saying it's hard

[hallow ravine]

I'm just saying I don't want this to happen

[cerulean sable]

"Im a heir of a land called Hallownest"
"I live in a shit shack called Deepnest"
"Im a motherfucking Weaver"
"Hallownest is dead and we killed her"
"Theres this knight swimming in shit called Ogrim and he still hasnt gotten over his hypothetical GF LMFAO"

these are all things that are already preestablished in Hollow Knight, it cant really contradict anything

[cerulean sable]

these are the guys who refused to put benches on certain spots because "it will ruin the believability of the world"

[hallow ravine]

A bit hard not hard yk they have to rethink evrey dialog to not have any issues with the lore

[cerulean sable]

dont underestimate them, you can put a lot more faith into them

[opaque sigil]

not that hard, ss is very disconnected

[violet dune]

music?

[cerulean sable]

and thats another thing\

[fiery burrow]

Which spots?

[hallow ravine]

Buddy tf are you saying

[violet dune]

sorry i took so long to respond i just woke up

uhh in my bio

[hallow ravine]

Hope so

[cerulean sable]

they specifically said during an AMA why there arent benches close to bosses, and their reasons was because they wanted to make sure each bench has context in the world

[fiery burrow]

That makes sense

[cerulean sable]

again its not perfect BUT theyve putten a lot of details like these especially when conneting areas as well

[fiery burrow]

One neat little thing about the bench in Deepnest in the hotsprings is that it was seemingly used by the tram construction workers!

[opaque sigil]

not that they don't take some liberties every now and then (hive bench moment)

[violet dune]

[cerulean sable]

the point im trying to make is, youre saying your worried that William or Ari is going to make a mistake when theyre the type of people that cares enough about the world that they wanted to avoid "gameifying" stuff as much as possible

[weary tapir]

maybe this is goty

[violet dune]

id recommend hkmori they're currently my favorite artist ig

[cerulean sable]

thansk

[hallow ravine]

I have no issues if there is too much benches little amount of benches either way

[fiery burrow]

TC cares about the lore! Why do you think Embrace the Void turned out so great?

[cerulean sable]

thats not the point i am making

im not talking about the benches themselves

[opaque sigil]

something something hundred benches or whatever

[cerulean sable]

EVT is one of them small little problems

the point is they care a lot of the world, sure its not perfect, but they still care and i dont think theyre gonna intentionally do mistakes especially as long as they write Silksong to be as divorced from Hallownest as much as possible

which it should be

i aint entertaining this "Hornet uses the power of Silk to go back to Hallownest and refight the Knight who is now possesed by the Shadelord" nonsense

[versed pollen]

I feel like worring about something because: "Oh well there's a small probability that they make this mistake" is unproductive and ultimately baseless

You may as well worry that Silksong will be a bad game because they might make that mistake

[cerulean sable]

yeah like

[fallen blaze]

Yapmaster s

[spare fractal]

no way, star redemption arc?

[hallow ravine]

Silksong mistakes will be good points for me I'm gladly gonna take whatever tc gonna give me

[shell yacht]

gim your arguements just sound like youre assuming theres already errors and issues and thats not a conversation thats just you making assumptions and not listening

[hallow ravine]

Like I've been waiting so much why would I be mad if they added a bench or two

[opaque sigil]

what

[hallow ravine]

There is no perfect game Silksong will have flaws wich I'm completely OK with and I'll never gonna say a word about it

[cerulean sable]

zero contradictions

[young saffron]

chat I try the apex legends tommorow

[opaque sigil]

[cerulean sable]

arguement is over we can all go back to bed now

[shell yacht]

why would you play that trash when titanfall exists

[fallen blaze]

Why play games at all

[hallow ravine]

My brain isn't braining but i agree

[ruby shore]

Why?

[hallow ravine]

Y?

[fallen blaze]

Cant answer a question with a question

[fiery burrow]

Its always sad when Silksong discussion ends 😔

[wide quartz]

ok back to celeste

[rustic ore]

ugh

[opaque sigil]

just make up a new topic

[rustic ore]

i feel terrible

[fiery burrow]

I HATE THE CORE

[rustic ore]

tammo fix this

[fallen blaze]

Celeste 2 when

[versed pollen]

L noob

[fiery burrow]

Taking away or altering the main mechanic of the game feels awful and its boring!

[fallen blaze]

LMFAO

[opaque sigil]

missiles are launched

[fiery burrow]

I haven't played for a while

[rustic ore]

thanks tammo this is why youre the best

[hallow ravine]

People be mad bc you said otherwise that's why i don't discuss the million things about this game here

[fallen blaze]

Celeste battle pass

[versed pollen]

Core mechanics are more interesting in modded maps because it's used as a puzzle mechanic as opposed to just something that exists

[fiery burrow]

Zero strawberries hurts though...

[rustic ore]

my pie is dry now

no strawbies smh

[opaque sigil]

have you tried adding water

[fallen blaze]

Collect more strawberries

[rustic ore]

the strawbs were the water

[hallow ravine]

What kind of celeste yall played tf is this 😭

[young saffron]

paid

[rustic ore]

bro has never made a pie before

[shell yacht]

it regularly goes on sale for 6$

[hallow ravine]

I'd assume it's the one when ending the game

[rustic ore]

what else would i be talking about

[hallow ravine]

Idk some mods or smth

[versed pollen]

(A Gift from the Stars from SJ is basically this message)

[fallen blaze]

Pies are mid

[rustic ore]

cakes are too

[fallen blaze]

Celeste made pies popular smh

[versed pollen]

I've only had pie like twice in my life and didn't like both times. But maybe I've only eaten bad pies

[rustic ore]

the best are combos of cakes and pies. namely, cheesecakes

[fallen blaze]

Red velvet cakes are good

[rustic ore]

ok first of all girlpower, put em up

[shell yacht]

red velvet is trash

[fiery burrow]

Never speak again

[fallen blaze]

Cheesecake is terrible cmon now

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-luffy-fight-argument-taste-gif-20986130

[shell yacht]

if youve only had 2 you havent even tried each type so yeah bad pies

[fallen blaze]

Dudes think they from celeste

[opaque sigil]

what kinds of pie

[versed pollen]

I am from Celested

[tawdry valley]

EA DRM

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-black-man-staring-black-men-staring-black-men-men-staring-gif-25096788

[coral prawn]

He did climb a mountain🤔

[versed pollen]

I don't remember I think one might have been apple pie

[shell yacht]

fruity kind, chocolatey, meat, veggie, pot pie

[fallen blaze]

Chicken pot pie is the only good pie

[versed pollen]

Both were fruity pies though

[shell yacht]

oh and uhhh

[fiery burrow]

I don't understand the core

[rustic ore]

chicken pot pie goes hard

[fiery burrow]

Whats the story relevance you just... go in and get a heart

[shell yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/pie-to-much-pie-pie-flavor-gif-16121030

[tawdry valley]

Key Lime pie goes hard

[versed pollen]

Yea

[shell yacht]

pumpkin pie is a waste of pie crust

[fallen blaze]

Anything pumpkin is ass

[rustic ore]

Take it back.

[versed pollen]

You go back to deal with Core mechanics (hell) and then you get 1 (one) heart

[tawdry valley]

The store bought stuff is trash that’s for sure

[warped rock]

best pie is cherry pie or peach pie

[fallen blaze]

This mfer makes evrything homemade I swear

[fiery burrow]

Yea but like ch 9 had actual story

[tawdry valley]

Raspberry and apple are right there

[fiery burrow]

I learned something from it

[versed pollen]

No you didn't

[shell yacht]

cherry n peaches both mid, blueberry or blackberry >

[fiery burrow]

Ok

[versed pollen]

Thanks

[rustic ore]

You know what yall can say whatever, as long as you keep sweet potato pie out of it. If I hear a cross word about sweet potato pie, we will cross swords.

[tawdry valley]

I think it’s a problem with my family.
Some kind of generational trauma

[warped rock]

apple sucks, but never had raspberry

[fallen blaze]

Sweet potato pie just sounds like shit

[rustic ore]

Draw your blade, swine.

[fallen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388

[warped rock]

mud pie is probably worse

[warped rock]

hollow knight if vessels were pigs

[fallen blaze]

Tf is mud pie

[rustic ore]

mud.

[fallen blaze]

That sounds like literal shit

[tawdry valley]

mfw mud is mud

[versed pollen]

Bro found out about mud today

[opaque sigil]

there's a type of chocolate pie like thing called mud pies

[rustic ore]

yes but before mud pie (food) there was mud pie (mud)

[fallen blaze]

Yeah I thought it was just chocolate or smth

[rapid topaz]

There's an artist called big mud as well

[warped rock]

no they put gummy worms in it i think

[fallen blaze]

But I'd be dumb if I expected him to not be an actual wall of mud

[rustic ore]

isnt that that one Brusters ice cream

[warped rock]

no i was thinking of the lunchables thing

[rustic ore]

o

[shell yacht]

my grandpa used to hog that to himself so i never tried it

[rustic ore]

try it now

[shell yacht]

nah

cuz id have to buy it

[rustic ore]

do it

[primal horizon]

ermmmmm W pro* ?????

[versed pollen]

Silence you

[tawdry valley]

Sweet potato pie is like a raisin oatmeal cookie

[rustic ore]

No...let them speak

[versed pollen]

I haven't opened Celeste in a while should I play it again

[primal horizon]

oh my god, i feel validated

[tawdry valley]

It’s not bad, but you thought it was the other thing you liked

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dégaine-gif-21592331

Sweet potato pie > pumpkin pie

[fallen blaze]

OAtmeal raisin is good

[tawdry valley]

See you already know what I meant

[opaque sigil]

do people actually somehow accidentally eat oatmeal raisin cookies

[fallen blaze]

Ye

[warped rock]

yes

[tawdry valley]

I think it’s more obvious when it’s oatmeal

[opaque sigil]

how

[primal horizon]

well. i think anime sucks, and also celeste is a really great game, as well as hollow knight.
also i have a strong feeling silksong is releasing this year

[rustic ore]

and dont you ever compare sweet potato pie to oatmeal raisin. oatmeal raisin is an affront to god. oatmeal cookies are fine tho ill eat those up

[primal horizon]

just like i have strong feelings for y'all's mothers

[versed pollen]

Well I guess now I have to

[warped rock]

oatmeal raisin is the best cookie

[rapid topaz]

Have you tried Sweet potatoes fries...
Delicious

[tawdry valley]

You wish

[haughty ingot]

NOO YOURE SHITTING ME AAAA

[warped rock]

chocolate overrated

[rustic ore]

i just hate raisins with a fiery passion that eclipses the heat of the sun

[haughty ingot]

@uneven orchid IT BROKE OFF

[fallen blaze]

It's only if it's in like a package with other cookies

[versed pollen]

Lol rip

[primal horizon]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THAT'S ACTUALLY PAINFUL

[primal horizon]

STOP!

[opaque sigil]

they're good but very different

[primal horizon]

frick you

[shell yacht]

🤝

[fallen blaze]

Raisins are good

[rustic ore]

nah sweet potato fries are eh. sweet potatoes top tier tho

[fallen blaze]

Wild

[tawdry valley]

@haughty ingot on the plus side it’s a free To-Scale nail.

[shell yacht]

i love making those when i do homade fried chicken, powdered sugar on top... fuck you now im hungry

[rustic ore]

it's funny tho bc i hate raisins and dates but craisins (cranberry raisins) i can eat by the handful

[rapid topaz]

powdered sugar???

[tawdry valley]

Sweet potato is superior potato.

[rustic ore]

yeah on the sweet potato

[fallen blaze]

Powdered....

[tawdry valley]

Literally in the name

[rustic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wedding-veil-the-wedding-veil-inspiration-autumn-reeser-woah-woah-woah-lets-not-get-carried-away-gif-27411268

[tawdry valley]

Nah, Powdered sugar is too messy.

[shell yacht]

powdered sugar yeah, sweet hot sweet n crunchy

[rapid topaz]

Do you put powdered sugar on your chicken? Did I read this right

[shell yacht]

i would never waste sweet potato by dipping it in sonething

[rapid topaz]

Alright I respect it it's just surprising to me

[shell yacht]

oh no lmao