sk-discussion

[manic abyss]

in like, 7 hours

[spiral lion]

pokemon showdown sounds good

[manic abyss]

anyways goodbye
I want my duel btw

[pastel whale]

I'll just shoot your pokemon

[spiral lion]

with what gun

[manic abyss]

No

Bye

[pastel whale]

https://tenor.com/view/these-bazookas-muscles-flexing-guns-gun-show-gif-15295617

Anyway bye daud, have fun at family reunion

[manic abyss]

Thanks I will

[sage void]

bye daud

@pastel whale get on game.,,,,.

[pastel whale]

I don't wanna fortnite

[sage void]

🥺

[pastel whale]

Not my kinda game

[sage void]

i need a duo.,.,,.,

@coral prawn

[pastel whale]

I would be terrible

[coral prawn]

I can't I'm already playing terraria with some friends😔

[grand ferry]

i thought u hated terraria

[coral prawn]

I do

[sage void]

[coral prawn]

Maybe I should stop he just called Spindown bad

[grand ferry]

what that

[coral prawn]

Its a Tboi item

[sage void]

yes you should wtf

spindown is amazing

[deep laurel]

toothpicks

[manic abyss]

Nvm this family reunion sucks

Too boring
Not enough... idk just not enough

[sinful flare]

hop on duo queue ranked in league..

[sage void]

cant.,....

[sinful flare]

i cant either..,,.......

im uhderlebeeled

[manic abyss]

Chat I found some "sugar"

[deep laurel]

not enough distant cousins?

[coral prawn]

Omg I got a penguin

[pastel whale]

Me

[coral prawn]

YOU🫵

[sage void]

no you.,,.,.

[coral prawn]

I'm not a penguin tho

[sage void]

nuh uh

[coral prawn]

fym nuh uh

[raven token]

[pastel whale]

[coral prawn]

[spare fractal]

I am an uncle now...

I feel like the youngest uncle ever

And that statement isn't even true because my younger sister is an aunt now.

[delicate trail]

how

how old ARE you???

[coral prawn]

[delicate trail]

Im confused, penguin

[formal karma]

You don't have to be old to be an aunt or uncle

[coral prawn]

Huh? I'm not a penguin

[delicate trail]

Nuh uh

[delicate trail]

Idk man

[pastel whale]

I'm the only penguin here

[delicate trail]

Oh

Congratulations

!!!

[pastel whale]

Thank you

I worked very hard to make it happen

[manic abyss]

How many penguins did you have to kill

[pastel whale]

No comment

[manic abyss]

Or did this happen because of the hg? Oh wait, you didn't win

I won
because I'm just that good

[pastel whale]

Count yourself lucky you aren't a penguin

[manic abyss]

also Noodle won
but I haven't seen him online in a while so maybe he left idk

[manic abyss]

I was expecting you to say that I rigged it

[pastel whale]

No need to state the obvious

[manic abyss]

Damn I guess you're just that big of a sore loser

PENGGUIN

[quiet token]

[manic abyss]

GFTGFF PENG

[pastel whale]

Wtf

I thought I killed you

[manic abyss]

[coral prawn]

[pastel whale]

Thanks daud, you shot Peng for me

[coral prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-dance-gif-18057434

[quiet token]

https://tenor.com/view/eeveesgifs-funny-penguin-gif-26400338

[pastel whale]

It's ok there can be 2 of us

[coral prawn]

Man listening too this two idiots is draining

[pastel whale]

I'm sorry corn

[quiet token]

I will punt you in 3-5 business days jala

[coral prawn]

Not you

[pastel whale]

Let's just forget this whole thing happened

[quiet token]

[coral prawn]

[uncut citrus]

i got summoned..

[coral prawn]

welcome

[cerulean sable]

should silksong have trenches

like hornet must sprint from trench to trench

to avoid the citadel's gatling guns

[uncut citrus]

should it? i woudnt know.
will it? thats for sure!

[grand ferry]

hornet should do a matrix

[cerulean sable]

hornet dodges every single one of sharpe's shade blade attacks except one hits her on the leg

and hornet is like

"SHERMA! HELP!"

and Sherma is next to Sharpe with a pimpillo and says: "Dodge this"

but sherma is a fucking idiot not knowing it has self inflicted damage, bombing them and sharpe at the same time

[grand ferry]

what is a sharpe

[quiet knot]

a brand of markers

[deep laurel]

I'm glad sherma is stationary and will not have to be interacted with much more than any other silksong npc, since the devs are not obsessed with her

[coral prawn]

Markiplier referense?!?!?!?

[quiet knot]

Yeah

I love Markiplier

[formal karma]

Sunday funday

[deep laurel]

moving things from one side of the room to the other

[sage void]

thats sharpies smh.,.,,..

[coral prawn]

Persona Q ost

[foggy heath]

Guys who wants to see femboy drawings I made

[cerulean sable]

what if hornet was like

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/goodmorningstreaks-gms-thing-gif-21852400

WHAT

[cerulean sable]

Bokura ga nidotooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😭

get fucked

skill diffed

[quartz cave]

why am i still a peasant no way

[cerulean sable]

yeah youre just a levy

[coral prawn]

This is so sad

[quartz cave]

taco do me a favor remove that role thank you

[fringe ether]

i rly wanna see whats going on behind the production of ss

[quartz cave]

or else i leak the entire hp update and publish it as if its mine ty bestie

[fringe ether]

it really shouldnt take that long

[coral prawn]

It should

[sage void]

taco hop on blades with new bearings imo

[quartz cave]

bro does not know how videogame making on an indie company works

[cerulean sable]

you cant elak the update because its not on open source yet ha get fucked

[sage void]

[cerulean sable]

tf is a blades and why do they have bearings

[sage void]

skating blades!!!

[quartz cave]

i have acces to your pc bestie you maybe should consider it

[cerulean sable]

you also shouldnt really take this ratio, yet here you are taking this ratio

[sage void]

the ones that go nyooooom

@river thicket

[coral prawn]

VROOOOOOM

[cerulean sable]

oh yeah you mentioend this

nah id skate

[sage void]

yeah you should hop on skates iirc

[coral prawn]

🛹

[quartz cave]

no fr taco bestie make me old again

[cerulean sable]

also is it not taking long because "its just a 2d game" cuz

[coral prawn]

🤸
🛹

[cerulean sable]

the first game took 4 years to make just an FYI

[sage void]

nah, id

[cerulean sable]

and theyre like a 3 man team

so yeah not really

[quartz cave]

and now they have the expectations and burden of trying to make a way bigger and better game*

[sage void]

its crazy when people act like indie devs should be developing as fast as AAA

[quartz cave]

and they having to announce it so early wasnt a help

[quartz cave]

FRRRRRRRRR

[coral prawn]

And most AAA game now a pretty bad

[sage void]

exactly because theyre rushed

[quartz cave]

they be expecting a 3 man game to do this all so quick

[sage void]

ikr

[cerulean sable]

i unironically think this is a zoomer thing isnt it, like real talk
with the advent of social media a lot of people expect 24/7 updates

[sage void]

https://tenor.com/view/aggressive-inline-inline-skating-grind-soul-grind-gif-26897364

me rn if you even care.,.,,

[cerulean sable]

like im not saying you shouldnt criticize TC's form of comms, just that people nowadays also expect the opposite of showing gameplay snippets every 3-6 months

[sage void]

sadly the fit does not go very hard today

need to find an outerwear rq brb

[cerulean sable]

wtf actually insane rail grind

i give you 200 x 4 points for that

[coral prawn]

🚶
🛼 🛼

[cerulean sable]

couldve ended with an olie tho

[grand ferry]

are u gen z

[coral prawn]

Pealse work

[cerulean sable]

im inbetween millenial and gen z but most of my exposure is on gen z 🥴

[coarse leaf]

I mean ig? before social media it just wasnt actually possible to have that much communication, but i wouldnt be surprised if the older generations were bitching about a lack of news for their favourite game or franchise just as much to their friends as people are doing now to the whole internet

[grand ferry]

ah so 1999

[cerulean sable]

its why compared to my sisters, im the only guy who can understand the ohio rizzler skibidi bullshit

[quartz cave]

taco are you a skibidisigma

[cerulean sable]

and almost most of my close friends are gen z soo i just absorb wtv dumb new garbage they introduce and just go with it

its always "wtf is this" to "haha were being ironic right?" then afterwards it becomes a permanent part of your vocabulary

and im saying shit like "goes hard" and "based" without a hint of sarcasm

[sage void]

i cant jump into one of those yet, but i can do one

[cerulean sable]

nah back then we only started asking if a game went longer than 4 years

3-4 years always felt like the standard length for production

[sage void]

some of my friends say it and it clings onto my tongue like a parasite

[cerulean sable]

i remember L4D2 releasing after 2 years and people complaining that "its too early for 2!! they literally just released L4D1 two years ago"

because the expected cycle for sequels was usually 3-4

[coral prawn]

Whats ya gonna do break the rules

[coarse leaf]

Actually yeah youre probably right, i wasnt thinking it through completely, the standard regarding frequency of communication has just changed completely

[sage void]

@cerulean sable yippie!!!!

[cerulean sable]

i think what broke the barrier was probably Duke Nukem forever

[sage void]

im just too good imo

[cerulean sable]

now thats what really changed the norm and perspective when it comes to games taking long 🥴

[sage void]

cant hold them great yet though, but i can do them

[cerulean sable]

ehhh youll get a hang of it eventually

get it

hang

(thats a sports term right)

[sage void]

"games should be released in a year" SHUT UPPP

[sage void]

yeah true

[cerulean sable]

(ya know like hang air? thats the term for how long youre off the ground right or am i wrong)

[slender yew]

next direct better have silksong news or i will throw my chair at a wall

[cerulean sable]

do it now

[sage void]

i dont think you have the right slang taco.,.,..

[cerulean sable]

and cry about it on your way 😤

[sage void]

[coral prawn]

[cerulean sable]

who wants a copy

[coral prawn]

CHAT!!!!!!! Is this true

[sage void]

me.,.,,

[cerulean sable]

sike

you aint gettin shit

[sage void]

oh wait nvm im in US

[cerulean sable]

B)

[coral prawn]

Did you forget?

[sage void]

taco gift me that new space game imo imo

[cerulean sable]

also this game is dead af for my region, im talking like a single 12vs12 server filled (for ref the highest count iirc was 64vs64)

that doesnt narrow shit down

tf space game

if its by hodd toward i aint buying shit

[sage void]

helldivers 2

[cerulean sable]

too expensive

[sage void]

we should play it together

[cerulean sable]

youll get it when u grow odler

[sage void]

my birthday is july 16th.,.,, remner.,.,,,

[formal marsh]

you'll get it when you grow older
you'll get it when you grow, toddler

[cerulean sable]

by then its on 50% off and has like 3 expacs worth of free content updates

[sage void]

true!

[coral prawn]

HaPpy bithday

[cerulean sable]

thats my MO for AAA games nowadays

wait for the bug fixes then buy it for 75% off

i bought both Farcry 4 and 5 at like 10 dollars

[sage void]

nicee

[quartz cave]

BASED

[sage void]

imo get lethal so we can play duos taco

[cerulean sable]

i already have it

and no im scared of letha company

sorry

[sage void]

and perhaps jonker can join

[bronze flax]

thoughts on eneba ?

[sage void]

have you been playing alone

@marsh ibex LC today? surely you have a charger now

[cerulean sable]

nah i played with some friends

it was aight

i would prefer if it was like an extraction sim with guns

[formal marsh]

would you like to play as any fictional race in particular?

[sage void]

bestie there is a gun in the game

[cerulean sable]

i am talking about

being able to carry like full on assault rifles

[sage void]

ohh big guns

honestly i like it but i get that

[cerulean sable]

and you clearing every single ayyys inside

dont get me wrong its fun

[sage void]

what multiplayer games do you have

[dusty nimbus]

Have you tried deep rock galactic then?

[cerulean sable]

but i was thinking it would be more in line like GTFO

yes i have DRG as well

same idea my only issue with DRG is its not as realistic and slow paced

now dont get me wrong, im not saying realism = good game and DRG has good fucking movement to it

[dusty nimbus]

Slow paced? Have you tried haz 5?

[sage void]

taco 3k tf2 hours 😭

[cerulean sable]

but my mood shifts from time to time, and sometimes i go from "i want FPS games where you just bhop and blow peoples skull off", and days where "i want a hardcore game where you have various guns, slow walk around corners with the sprint speed of an 70 year old asthmatic with TB"

mysess

myess

[cerulean sable]

yes i did but at its core its still DRG

which is good, but not exactly my mood nowadays

again what im looking for is something like Ready or Not, or GTFO

[sage void]

taco we should hop on fortnite imo

[grand ferry]

damn

[cerulean sable]

RoN is unfortunately still buggy after 1.0 and GTFO is too much of a stress sim and my friend wont take it😤

i played fornite once

and it was aight

[sage void]

we should play it today.,..,

[cerulean sable]

i dont have it installed and im literally about to go to sleep cuz its a work day tom 🥴

[dusty nimbus]

It makes sense tbh, I may not change moods as easily on what games I like at the moment but it does happen

[sage void]

ah ok all good

have a good sleep

[cerulean sable]

thanks i will like and subscrbire for more slepeg tips

[dusty nimbus]

Gn TTaco

[kindred pewter]

good moring GAMERS

[dusty nimbus]

Btw idk if it has the vibes you're looking for and it's not that much realistic Space Hulk: Deathwing might he work to check if it fits what you're looking for

[dusty nimbus]

Sup Garmond

[wide quartz]

good morning GARMOND

[brittle garnet]

helldivers 2

[kindred pewter]

good morning CHA0S

[patent viper]

fake ss but its very well done. best one ive seen yet

[fiery burrow]

Whats Herrah doing in Pharloom

[grand ferry]

herrah is so small here

[formal marsh]

what's herrah doing being alive

[smoky nebula]

This fake leak assumes silksong is a prequel

[fiery burrow]

Even then she'd be eepy

Unfortunately because thatd be a cool and tender moment to see her alive

[smoky nebula]

Maybe in hornet's dreams

[dusty nimbus]

This looks like a different dimension with Hera ready to sell you crack

[fiery burrow]

Churchkeeper makes Hornet collapse with her magic, cut to dream realm

[cerulean sable]

i actually have that

cuz i played the Kid A exhibit

unfortunately i dont have the Minotaur skin

also i REALLY gotta sleep

[coarse leaf]

radiohead

its over

[dense merlin]

@cerulean sable May I ask a question?

[glossy gazelle]

Smol Herrah

Bottom text

[rapid topaz]

wdym

[wide quartz]

No

[deep laurel]

just ask and maybe someone knows the answer

[olive bobcat]

That's dope

[coral prawn]

today Tboi daily was fun

[deep laurel]

I need to recover my save

[drifting carbon]

team cherry please give us the damn silksong

https://tenor.com/view/mokey-sr-pelo-beg-gif-27108388

[vast canopy]

GUYS

[nimble radish]

hello team cherry
in front of you is a ten pound pile of peas

[vast canopy]

MY FRIEND TOLD ME SILKSONG IS COMING OUT TOMORROW

[nimble radish]

that's nice

[drifting carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/wazowski-mike-mike-sulivan-meme-monster-inc-gif-19634164

[rapid topaz]

Is your friend Senator Armstrong

[prime gust]

why th is herrah there?

[vast canopy]

My friend works for Team Blueberry

[prime gust]

your friend lied

[fiery burrow]

mb

[vast canopy]

The people who made hollow knight

[rapid topaz]

Justin Cherry yeah I heard

[prime gust]

team cherry made hk

these guys

blueberry guys are a parody

[dusty nimbus]

Oh they don't make silksong, they're producing Websing

[drifting carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-death-gif-26945163

[prime gust]

holy shit no mister cat you still have a whole life ahead of you!!!

dont do it

[drifting carbon]

no silksong = no life

[fiery burrow]

This channel sucks

[prime gust]

the only reason I live is waiting for silksong, I will finish the game and immediatly die

[prime gust]

no, you suck

[fiery burrow]

[prime gust]

[drifting carbon]

im kidding...

[prime gust]

im not

[drifting carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[prime gust]

that seems awfully violent

[nimble radish]

why is he doing these things

[prime gust]

I think he is angwmy

[drifting carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sea-dog-gif-10539169426521065658

[prime gust]

please go to #hk-meme

its not allowed to overpost memes here

[nimble radish]

that isn't a hk meme

that's not even a meme it's just a dog

[prime gust]

but still, its not relevant to our context, whatever our context is

[dusty nimbus]

A sentence worse than death

[prime gust]

...ok

[kindred magnet]

daaamn

[narrow prawn]

Non hk memes arent allowed there

[versed pollen]

Then there's a simple solution

[wide quartz]

go to a different server

[flat remnant]

REAL and TRUE

[fiery burrow]

Well more just this specific day

[quartz cave]

no no its this channel.

[fiery burrow]

Was just a poor taste gif and a lot of unfunny jokes

[surreal remnant]

oh wow, subnautica is a surprisingly small game file

it's legit 3gb

same with subnautica below zero

[flat remnant]

subnautica below 4gb

[stark prism]

nu uh cause im here and im the fuggin swaggester ever

[stark prism]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-soup-gif-22632572

[fiery burrow]

What?

[stark prism]

this gif is in good taste the money its liking the soup ok

[surreal remnant]

downloading subnautica at a whopping 0 B/s

[stark prism]

you understand ?

this gotta mean the soup taste good

[formal karma]

Monkey good and people good might not cross over in soup territory

There is lots for us both to like but I dunno.... soups can be treacherous at the best of times

[opaque sigil]

can you even say you're downloading it at that point

[surreal remnant]

good point

[timid hull]

Anyone played grime?

[timid hull]

Ooh subanautica, very good choice

One of a kind

[opaque sigil]

I have it but I've never opened it

[timid hull]

It's really good

It is a bit janky, but man is it a good game

Music and world design is insanely good

Some stuff made me want to lobotomize myself tho

[surreal remnant]

the game could've done with some more bug fixes

[timid hull]

True

[surreal remnant]

but i can't really complain that much

[timid hull]

It's just a bit of jank and bugs and nothing more

[surreal remnant]

yeah nothing too serious

half the time it's something just looking really funny

[timid hull]

I didn't get any bugs funnily enough

I fell in love in love with the game's world

I await 2

[surreal remnant]

one thing i ain't looking for is the confusion from their choice of nomenclature

[timid hull]

Also have you played subnautica before?

[surreal remnant]

yeah i have 170 hours

[timid hull]

Oh, damn

[surreal remnant]

i had to hard reset my pc a while back due to a virus so i'm still installing some games

[timid hull]

Some text was herbrew, so maybe something like that

[timid hull]

That sucks

[midnight fox]

y’all I got into hollow knight like a month ago, have nearly 112%ed the game, and now I can’t stop thinking about silksong after seeing the trailers and Nintendo treehouse. this is truly purgatory 😭

[shell yacht]

you have discovered the true purpose of advertising, congration

[midnight fox]

It’s just the fact that we have no timeline of it’s release, yk?? I wake up every morning thinking “what if we got a release date trailer” because it genuinely could happen at any time. The anticipation is killing me!!

[barren sequoia]

The silksong sub found another vein of copium

[shell yacht]

give it a few years itll get worse

[midnight fox]

oh no,,,

why did they have to go and make such a good game 😫 and then make the trailer for the sequel (prequel?) look so good too??!!

[shell yacht]

sequel (sequel)

[wise ibex]

I’ve had the game for years and have only just recently got 110%…I’m so slow at games and have really improved but it’s taken me a long time to get to that point in HK…I did have some breaks though I guess…

[barren sequoia]

I wonder how they'll go about explaining hollow knight endings with their whole all cannon philosophy

[wispy pagoda]

guys they invisibly updated the game on steam

[midnight fox]

that’s totally fair!! i think ppl should take games at their own pace ^^

[barren sequoia]

Do we not have a cope emote?

[midnight fox]

good point!! maybe tying the lore all together is part of what’s causing the wait?

[wispy pagoda]

or it could be a prequel

[opaque sigil]

it was all functionally tied together back in 2019 there's no work that needs to be done there

[wise ibex]

I think it’s a prequel personally.

[shell yacht]

[hollow terrace]

ITS REAL

[opaque sigil]

it's also not remarkable

[shell yacht]

wow a website or page was updated! thats like the 11th one yall noticed! totally means something this time im sure

[barren sequoia]

I still believe they'll just gonna go with the dream no more ending if anything

[opaque sigil]

they don't have to 'go with' any ending

[barren sequoia]

It's by far supposed to be the good ending

[opaque sigil]

hk's endings have no real impact and pharloom would look the same regardless of which one happened

[shell yacht]

no its labled that way bc of speedrunner

[opaque sigil]

dnm is mechanically the true ending

[shell yacht]

its not

[opaque sigil]

key word mechanically

[barren sequoia]

I dont believe silksong is going to have no relation with hallownest though

[shell yacht]

key word not

[serene chasm]

What tammo said. It will be left vague so you can choose what ending is canon

[opaque sigil]

it's not canonically the 'true ending' but the mechanical way in which you get dnm (as well as its narrative and thematic framing) make it a true ending in those senses

[barren sequoia]

With the fact hornet is most likely going to meet the weavers again I think her and their past in hallownest is also going to be a big plot point

[shell yacht]

they are all canon possible endings
so none are true

[opaque sigil]

her past with the weavers is unrelated to all the endings

[midnight fox]

I think maybe a part of what’s causing the wait could be that team cherry just keeps getting new ideas for the project, so it keeps expanding in scope? i have the same thing happen when working on art so I could see it happening

[opaque sigil]

I'm not sure you're reading what I'm saying

[barren sequoia]

Her past interwinds with the vessel

[opaque sigil]

the circumstances of her birth are also independent of the endings

[unborn dome]

an actual update for once

[barren sequoia]

What im trying to say if they decide to ever talk about the vessels and hornets involvement in hollow knight one of the endings is going have to be picked for the knights fate

[opaque sigil]

why would they do that?

that's contradictory to their intent to make ss accessible as the first game of the two

and their intent to make it stand on its own

there's really no reason for them to ever have to acknowledge any hk endings

[barren sequoia]

Look I dont know man but I doubt they would just put hornet raw into a brand new story and not expand her and her relations we already know about

Especially with how it was supposed to be a dlc I'm just feeling theirs going to Still be quite a few relations for the two

[opaque sigil]

they can expand on the weavers without losing focus on ss's own narrative

[narrow prawn]

You shouldnt really choose as silksong lore will not be connected really

TC said that

So mew players dont have to catch up

[opaque sigil]

the weavers are the way in which hornet's background ties into the history of pharloom, they're relevant but that doesn't mean tc has to incorporate everything from HK, just what's relevant.

[serene chasm]

Every developer says that. I never believe them

[opaque sigil]

there's nothing wrong with headcanoning it as whichever you want, that doesn't really have any problems and it won't be offputting to new players since that thought won't even be in their heads

[silver oak]

damn those developers, making good games!

[rapid topaz]

The curse of being talented

[deep laurel]

it will come before elder scrolls vi , copium

and a silksong sequel is all but guaranteed even this early

[barren sequoia]

3 more call of duty games have to release then we get silksong

[weak cobalt]

it would be funny if they release a horrible low quality silksong with nothing they promised and like a month later after the hate towards them ends they release silksong

[narrow prawn]

[quartz cave]

Chat insert funny joke here

[rough crown]

Club penguin was fire

[brittle garnet]

i mean they told us they decided it is going to be its own game very early on in development, and making ties to endings of the previous game goes against Team Cherry's wish of the games being playable in any order, and being standalone stories

[deep laurel]

we will see

[brittle garnet]

i am 100% certain that Silksong will absolutely not speak a word about which ending it follows

[rough crown]

You sure are optimistic thinking ss would come out before 2369

[deep laurel]

at least they're working on that one, now after starfield

[hollow terrace]

Oh how I yearn for silksong to have a good narrative….

And proper translations

[exotic geyser]

Hey there Window 🙂

[rough crown]

Apart from the game never releasing, what is your worst fear about ss

[exotic geyser]

fear of spiders

[rough crown]

?

[brittle garnet]

that the narrative and dialogue will be meh

or that a better sense of narrative will lessen the sense of exploration

[exotic geyser]

yeah that is a delicate balance to get right

[rough crown]

Mine is the gameplay

[brittle garnet]

also that i will be too skissue for the combat

[opaque sigil]

I doubt beating the game will take too much fancy stuff

[brittle garnet]

i mean that i will be too skissue to take full advantage of the more complex combat

[rough crown]

When playing other metroidvania I felt limited after playing hk so I hope Ss won’t make me feel like that

[brittle garnet]

that's s o true tho

HK spoils you

[rough crown]

And also i agree with the skissue thing

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/lemur-momo-sad-bored-gif-12773997

[rough crown]

Hope it won’t be too complex either

[barren sequoia]

Yeah while I kinda want it too I can understand if it doesn't

[brittle garnet]

maybe they'll make like a sequel comic for silksong

[barren sequoia]

But I feel like something involving the pale king will still appear

[hollow terrace]

Silksong dialogue will be dry

[barren sequoia]

I cant imagine hornets position as a daughter of a god will be ignored

[rough crown]

Nah

[opaque sigil]

pk's whole deal is very resolved there's no reason to bring him back in at all

[devout lily]

@prisma meteor

[barren sequoia]

He can be finished but his impact on hornet can still be looked into

[opaque sigil]

he barely had any

[exotic geyser]

i actually feel like it's the white lady who will be explored further, mostly due to the flowers seemingly being quite significant

[opaque sigil]

pk doesn't matter at all, only Hornet's abilities do

[brittle garnet]

I think he means that the implications Hornet's godly heritage has on her nature

will be explored

[barren sequoia]

I think her heritage as a whole will be explored much further

Nor just her spider part but her god part as well

[rough crown]

They don’t want you to have to play hk before ss so I don’t think the pk would appear

[brittle garnet]

well yeah but they will probably have something to explain or expand hornet's abilities

maybe allude to PK

[barren sequoia]

Maybe not directly but I think a few characters will notice his blood in hornet

[brittle garnet]

and in HK you actually learn who he was and stuff

[barren sequoia]

Or the blood of a pale creature

[opaque sigil]

So long as it's adequately nonspecific then whatever

[brittle garnet]

ye

[opaque sigil]

doesn't really matter

[barren sequoia]

We know the weavers know about pk

[rough crown]

A zote ref would be cool tho

[hollow terrace]

I mean yeah but like she got captured for a reason so it isn’t far fetched to say it was probably her royal status

[onyx umbra]

hey, why are some people hyped something is going on related to the change TC made on steam ? I mean changes like this occur often...

[hollow terrace]

You don’t send out an hit squad for the lols

[brittle garnet]

no we just happened to talk about something, sorry nothing of note happened

[rough crown]

Too much copium is bad for your mental health

[barren sequoia]

With their desire for silk it mighr just be for her spider heritage

[brittle garnet]

i don't believe that

[onyx umbra]

Yeah i know nothing happened, just wondering why people thought something would happen

[brittle garnet]

i don't think they are lacking for silk in all honesty

[barren sequoia]

But her silk might also be highly different than others of her kind

[brittle garnet]

well, it is

[barren sequoia]

The pale blood in her might create a silk that pharloom very much desires which makes her enemy number 1

[brittle garnet]

so if anything she was captured because of her unique abilities regarding her silk

i don't think she's enemy #1. Rather i think she was captured because they need her abilities for something

[barren sequoia]

Lace wanted to kill hornet as a type of mercy before she reaches the capitol right?

[rough crown]

Does anyone knows why the godseeker was so biased against us btw?

[brittle garnet]

that's what she says but she's clearly lying

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't really have to be untrue

[brittle garnet]

you know what i mean, that's not her actual motivation

[rough crown]

He was literally praising the pv and even though we are the same he hate us

[barren sequoia]

Lace can be insane and enjoy killing us but still very much wanting to fuck over the citadel

Hornet in hollow knight more or less wanted the same

If the knight isnt worthy she would take his life

[brittle garnet]

i think basically Lace and her mysterious group orchestrated Hornet falling off the bridge in hopes of killing her, and then the Lace fight is her trying to finish the job, because they don't want Hornet getting captured again

[golden pawn]

Youre an intruder into godhome

[opaque sigil]

idk if they ever thought the fall would kill her or they just wanted to force her to use a specific path where they could set an ambush

[brittle garnet]

at the very least i think Lace wants to kill Hornet because the Citadel needs her for something crucial that Lace really doesn't want to happen

[rough crown]

But we are stronger than any other gods

[opaque sigil]

she only sensed pv because thk has rad in it, she doesn't sense anything from tk

[barren sequoia]

But the knight doesnt radiate anything

[rough crown]

We have the void inside us

[brittle garnet]

godseeker is mad at us because we somehow invaded godhome despite being so meager

[barren sequoia]

Its the strongest yes but it doesnt radiate the aura. The godseeker realizes that with our feats

[hollow terrace]

My theory: weavers written hornet as the person for their inheritance and the citadel need a written letter from hornet to relinquish their assets

[brittle garnet]

haha

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[rough crown]

Hornet agreed to give her kidney to lace’s mother if smth happend to her

[brittle garnet]

also i think Hornet destroying the bridge wasn't intentional, just a side effect of her entering the kingdom

[spare fractal]

It's called a song, it's called a Silksong...
It is a song that you sing!

[brittle garnet]

and the seal was protecting her from whatever is going on with Pharloom

[spare fractal]

this is like the third time I have done this and still no one gets the reference...

[barren sequoia]

My theory is another inheritance type story

Something in pharloom needs to be replaced and hornet plus maybe the other pilgrims are beinf tested on their worth

[brittle garnet]

i had a more speculative theory that's somewhat similar, there is an entity or deity causing the haunting in Pharloom and they want Hornet to replace it in order to regain control

[potent sun]

it’s been awhile since I came in here to check on everyone’s sanity

how’re we holding up

[barren sequoia]

Yeah that's more or less what I think as well

[rough crown]

Maybe hornet will ascend to the surface at the end

[brittle garnet]

nah

[spare fractal]

It's called a song, it's called a Silksong...
It is a song that you sing!
It's a song that you sing when you die...

[potent sun]

yeah I definitely agree with this she looks super confused when it’s happening

[barren sequoia]

I dont think the weavers are going to be the good guys honestly

[brittle garnet]

i think they are

[opaque sigil]

they're explicitly helping hornet

[barren sequoia]

Feel like they're just going to try and control hornet

[barren sequoia]

Helping doesn't have to mean they're good

[potent sun]

I’m pretty sure there’s the bell cult trying to get hornet for her silk, and then there’s whoever lace is with trying to kill her so the bell cult doesn’t get her silk

[brittle garnet]

also from what we know there aren't really many weavers left

[rough crown]

Imagine at the end, hornet discovering a new world above the surface...
Until she’s squashed under the feet of a rando going to work

[barren sequoia]

You can help someone for your own gain

[brittle garnet]

they're not in a place of power in the kingdom

[opaque sigil]

weavers turning on hornet would make absolutely no sense

[potent sun]

I don’t think anyone really cares about hornet’s well-being, just what she can do

[barren sequoia]

They would never have to turn on her

[opaque sigil]

the weavers probably do

[barren sequoia]

It could've just been a plot from the very start

[opaque sigil]

no?

they're not in charge

[potent sun]

yeah the weavers probably do but it seems like the weavers are being exploited just like hornet is

I don’t think they have any power

[formal karma]

Maybe the Beast referred to in Folly is an ancient weaver. But I don't think it would have much to do with the weavers as a modern group

[brittle garnet]

i think it's a metaphoreeeeeee

[potent sun]

it’s possible hornet tries freeing them/absorbing their powers after they die

[brittle garnet]

"A beast's nature bare to all" is addressed to Pharloom itself, as in the kingdom is predatory or wicked in nature

[potent sun]

the cult probably is but I have a hard time beleiving all of pharloom is evil

[brittle garnet]

the whole poem is basically saying that Pharloom is a facade and it's going to eventually break

[brittle garnet]

well the "cult" is the center of power in the kingdom so yknow

[potent sun]

I wonder if the cult follows a higher being that isn’t actually a higher being

[brittle garnet]

it's like

[potent sun]

a false prophet of sorts

[brittle garnet]

you can have an evil government and societal system, it doesn't mean the people living there are evil

[potent sun]

that would be an intresting take on the higher being themes of the first game

[barren sequoia]

Well we know some sort of power is beinf exerted on the people

[hollow terrace]

Remember chat Pharloom spelled backwards is spelled yharnam

[brittle garnet]

My guiding silklight...

[potent sun]

doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a higher being tbh

[brittle garnet]

it kinda does

i don't think a non-god can do whatever is happening in pharloom

[potent sun]

there’s power being exerted on us and I don’t think the ppl doing it are gods

[opaque sigil]

there are plenty of magic users who aren't hbs but unless there's some crazy mechanical/magical infrastructure in place it's hard to imagine one being able to do the pharloom shit that isn't a hb

[brittle garnet]

oh i'm talking about creatures in pharloom being puppeted around by strings

like all of them

and the fact that silk just kinda floats through the air in pharloom

it's either a HB or some kinda very complex and giant spell

[potent sun]

yeah honestly I’m still not 100% sure on the validity that all of these beings are being puppeted in a literal sense

I know that there are literal strings

but it doesn’t seem like they’re being 100% controlled controlled

[brittle garnet]

yeah but merely the fact that the strings are there is proof enough

that it's the work of magic

[potent sun]

why would they have to give out instructions if they were

[brittle garnet]

the people giving out instructions are also affected by the strings

[potent sun]

and why would the bell lady (can’t remember her name) not be agressive but still work for the system

[brittle garnet]

there's too much we don't know

[potent sun]

in hk you were either infected or not it doesn’t seem that way in ss

[brittle garnet]

we don't know what or who is causing the strings to appear

[potent sun]

yeah ofc I just like wildly theorizing when I’m bored ik it doesn’t mean much

[opaque sigil]

It's not necessarily the case that every npc has the strings

[brittle garnet]

it's just like infection, some bugs seem to not be affected

[wide quartz]

strings spamton

[potent sun]

I think it would be a crazy interesting plotline to see a bug masquerade as a higher being without being one

[potent sun]

yes, except the bell lady is still working for the cult

[opaque sigil]

it wouldn't really mean anything to people in universe

[brittle garnet]

is she?

[opaque sigil]

'higher being' is a metacanonical descriptor it's not like a setting internal concept

[potent sun]

I mean she’s doing the work and wearing the bell clothing…

[brittle garnet]

i guess

but it doesn't seem like she's working for anybody in particular anymore

[opaque sigil]

that outfit could easily have been something worn in that area before the caste started doing whatever it's doing

[potent sun]

sure, but they’re still implied to have powers like foresight and dream stuff that normal bugs can’t replicate

[potent sun]

that’s true, can’t really argue with that

[brittle garnet]

yeah i'm saying the strings aren't controlling bugs for the benefit of the cult

[potent sun]

still intresting to think about

[brittle garnet]

maybe?

[opaque sigil]

well yeah if that was the case they wouldn't be on the caste themselves

[potent sun]

idk but it would be pretty boring for team Cherry to just re-do an infection again

[brittle garnet]

well, if you think about it, the goons of the caste could just be controlled for the sake of obedience

[opaque sigil]

it would be

[potent sun]

I’m willing to bet there’s a lot more complexity in this one than with the infection

[brittle garnet]

yeah i think so too

[potent sun]

gameplay differences aside it would also explain why enemies seem smarter

[opaque sigil]

the infection was already a subversion

[potent sun]

if they have a certain amount of free will

[brittle garnet]

but whatever is the case, there is someone literally puppeting things around

something that might have intent

the infection wasn't exactly that

[opaque sigil]

well it was a bit

[brittle garnet]

yeah

[potent sun]

higher being or infection or not or whatever whatever it is it definitely has intent

the radiance wasn’t really doing anything with the bugs she infected

they just sorta sat there and waited for the knight

minus hk obviously

[brittle garnet]

but if the deep docks bugs continue to work despite being affected by the haunting or whatever, then is it because they are being directed to do so, or is it because it's just the routine they had before being affected

[potent sun]

it’ll be intresting to have a more active antagonist

[potent sun]

they have orders

we saw it in the demo

[brittle garnet]

yeah but i mean the strings

[opaque sigil]

those orders could've been old

[brittle garnet]

yeah exactly

[woven anvil]

They might just be controlled whenever they are needed and left to do their thing when not actively being needed

[opaque sigil]

it's true that if the strings were direct control then orders would be unnecessary

[potent sun]

true, but it seems like they’re carrying out what the orders said to do still

[stark estuary]

The bugs of Hallownest also continued to go about their daily routines despite having been infected ages ago

[potent sun]

that’s why I’m arguing they aren’t

[brittle garnet]

but the orders are probably very old

[opaque sigil]

well that's a side effect

[potent sun]

plus you also have to take in account the visual differences

it was very obvious when something was and wasn’t infected in hk usually

[brittle garnet]

we see a lift out of deep docks being broken, so they probably can't be using it anymore to transport whatever they were mining

[opaque sigil]

infected doing the same stuff they always did isn't because those activities were valuable, it was because that's what they remembered

[potent sun]

I think it’s purposefully more vauge in ss

[stark estuary]

I mean we don’t know enough about the docks to assume they’re fundamentally any different from say the CP miners in that regard

[potent sun]

plus it seems like some helpful villagers might also be haunted

[brittle garnet]

i think it's fair to say that anything with the pharloom crest is working for the citadel

[opaque sigil]

technically no but I'm not sure why we would assume they're similar

[potent sun]

like the ones going for religious pilgrimage would likely be influenced by the religion

[brittle garnet]

while CP miners were there for their own gain

[stark estuary]

No not necessarily

[brittle garnet]

oh, i suppose

[potent sun]

this one right here

[brittle garnet]

I mean here it's also very obvious in silksong, strings when they die

[potent sun]

it’s like a split-second thing you have to look for to notice

[stark estuary]

I’m just saying that in the absence of further clarification it doesn’t make a ton of sense to assume much of anything regarding the nature of the haunting and/or whether or not it’s really comparable to the infection

[brittle garnet]

oh yeah but it's a pretty clear giveaway

[potent sun]

not nearly as present as the infection

and only shows itself on death

[opaque sigil]

I imagine the true nature of the haunting will not be very visible at a surface level the same way the infection wasn't

[potent sun]

there’s definitely a possibility it’s more metaphorical than actual, literal strings

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah Lace is clearly not under the effects of whatever is going on in Pharloom given her defeat animation doesn’t have the silk explosion that Moss Mother does

[stark estuary]

Well the infection was never presented as being the work of an intelligent mastermind (if Rad could even be called that)

At face value it seems like a random unspecified illness

[opaque sigil]

there are literal strings though so it can't just be metaphorical

[potent sun]

wait do strings come out of the ants

[opaque sigil]

she also doesn't die though

[potent sun]

does anyone know

[brittle garnet]

idk if we see an ant die

[potent sun]

a lot of ppl are under the impression that the ants would be like the mantises but if they have strings then they definitely aren’t

[glossy gazelle]

I don’t think we saw an ant die

[deep laurel]

maybe it's hornet's aunt

[brittle garnet]

oh yeah, they do

[reef scarab]

silksong clearly releases tomorrow

[brittle garnet]

oh it wasn't an automatic change? I didn't know

[stark estuary]

Lol

[potent sun]

what was the change..

[formal karma]

Updated.... to what exactly

[glossy gazelle]

I know strings come out the ants when attacked. But I figured that was like Soul

[deep laurel]

a number was changed

[spare fractal]

wow. yes. totally tomorrow. wow. yes.

[potent sun]

maybe but we didn’t see soul come out of enemies in hk

[brittle garnet]

it's just this, no other info

[brittle garnet]

we did

iirc

[formal karma]

I am aware that little nothing numbers are changed

[potent sun]

wait what did we?

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah soul comes out of hitting enemies

[potent sun]

oh huh

[stark estuary]

Well the SS equivalent to HK’s soul hit particles would be the silk particles not the strings

[potent sun]

I stand corrected then

[brittle garnet]

oh nevermind we didn't

[glossy gazelle]

Oh wait we didn’t?

I’m mandela’ing hard apparently

[potent sun]

we’re 100% sure those strings are strings and they aren’t just an effect to highlight deaths right?

[brittle garnet]

ye

[potent sun]

YEAH OKAY I WAS CONFUSED

[glossy gazelle]

I mandela’d my bad

[potent sun]

did lace have strings?

[brittle garnet]

she didn't die so

[potent sun]

yeah good point

[brittle garnet]

but silk particles do come off of her when hit

[glossy gazelle]

She has the silk particles but not any indicator of strings

[opaque sigil]

they do both

[potent sun]

well nothing has strings until they die

[brittle garnet]

silk particles come off of hornet too iirc

[glossy gazelle]

So if the silk particles are like soul then no Lace isn’t controlled

[potent sun]

but it is possible those strings aren’t actually strings at all..

we don’t actually know we just sorta collectively guessed that

[glossy gazelle]

Or at least there’s no indicator she’s being controlled

[brittle garnet]

it could also be that the strings that are attached to you don't necessarily mean they're controlling you

[glossy gazelle]

Well I think silk particles come out of hornet by her very nature

[brittle garnet]

nah i don't think that's true

we do literally see the robot boss having strings connected to its joints from above

[potent sun]

idk I think overall assuming the haunting is anything like the infection is a little misinformed

[glossy gazelle]

Since she’s able to wield silk as a skill it would make sense that her taking damage leaves silk particles behind

[brittle garnet]

by "like the infection" i just mean that it's a kingdom-wide effect that seems to affect bugs mentally

[heavy dune]

Is silksong out?

[woven anvil]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

there are at minimum superficial similarities

[glossy gazelle]

I think the infection is just an easy comparison to make

[brittle garnet]

no sorry

[heavy dune]

😦

[potent sun]

the similarities are too superficial for me to call it at this point tbh

[glossy gazelle]

Because we don’t really have any other reference for some kind of control happening over an entire kingdom

[brittle garnet]

but i think the strings are an intentional hint to towards someone intentionally directing things to play out

[potent sun]

it seems likely whatever is effecting pharloom could be more societal than actual magic

[brittle garnet]

definitely not

[potent sun]

THAT sound possible

[brittle garnet]

it's 100% magical

[potent sun]

well everything in the game is magical but it seems like opinions in pharloom are a lot freer

[brittle garnet]

the strings are not metaphorical

[glossy gazelle]

And reminder, it’s being haunted by silk and song. So clearly the silk is not the only way the bugs are being controlled

[potent sun]

the forge lady again

[brittle garnet]

again, it seems like there is some kind of way to resist being controlled

[potent sun]

but she’s still working at the forge

[opaque sigil]

puppetmaster is the painfully obvious inference on par with "zombie disease" in HK, would be incredibly disappointing if that's played straight

[potent sun]

doing the same stuff as the haunted

[brittle garnet]

i mean what else does she have to do? She seems very proud of her work

the haunted also don't seem to speak

she even says so about them

[potent sun]

yeah but the same goes for everyone in the game

[deep laurel]

maybe the silk is in the masks??

[glossy gazelle]

Also considering Forge Daughter dialogue even directly states that the others (aside from her and ballow) has lost themselves fairly safe to assume she’s not under control

[potent sun]

it feels like they have more control over themselves and can actively choose to support the citadel

[brittle garnet]

well if the opening poem is anything to go by, many bugs probably have no reason to not support the citadel

it it's been the ruling power in the kingdom for a long time

[potent sun]

that’s why I’m saying it possible that being in that citadel trance is more of an active decision than it is magic taking them over completely

[brittle garnet]

certainly not the deep dock workers that attack you, it seems

[brittle garnet]

i don't see why it would be the case

[potent sun]

I mean think about how many peaceful bugs there are in those towns and you’re telling me that none of them are effected by this infection

[brittle garnet]

if you think about it, the infection was also a decision

[potent sun]

even the ones who literally live in the capital city

and wear bells

[brittle garnet]

which ones

[potent sun]

there’s a few shots in the trailer of a guilded city of sorts

that seems to be closer to the citadel

[brittle garnet]

also, if the strings have intent, then whatever is controlling them can probably choose who to control and who to not

[potent sun]

where ppl are just chilling

[slender yew]

Do y’all think silksong will have grubs?

[brittle garnet]

but also i think some method, maybe music, can be used to counteract the effects

no it has fleas

[silver oak]

[glossy gazelle]

Fleas, it has fleas

[silver oak]

[potent sun]

whole ass grubflies would be interesting though

[slender yew]

[glossy gazelle]

They work somewhat closely to grubs but they aren’t the same

[slender yew]

Grubfather boss when

[potent sun]

imagine how heartbreaking it would be if all the grubflies we made in hk flew to pharloom just for us to kill them

[heavy dune]

What if radiance is still in silksong

[slender yew]

we killed radiance

[heavy dune]

Nuh uh

[potent sun]

the radiance is dead

[brittle garnet]

we see Hornet pass out before the church keeper, i think this is the haunting starting to affect her, we see the screen go black a couple times and she faints. Considering we later see the church keeper playing music with Hornet, it leads many to speculate that music is a way to resist being affected by the haunting

[potent sun]

tbh I always took that as just a place where the demo ends

[deep laurel]

they need to explain dream worlds a bit better

[glossy gazelle]

Considering Pharloom is haunted by silk and song, I’m guessing playing a different melody would probably counteract the song that’s playing in the infected bugs

[potent sun]

I don’t think we’re actually gonna pass out in front of a completely dark figure just to wake up in the same spot and start playing music

it wouldn’t be a very engaging sequence

[brittle garnet]

well maybe not immediately

but i think it's most comparable to when you get the dream nail

[glossy gazelle]

I don’t think the music section would start immediately after

[brittle garnet]

church keeper imo is the seer equivalent

[potent sun]

I think we’re making too many comparisons to hk

[brittle garnet]

yeah but that's because they seem to be intended

[glossy gazelle]

Actually I think it will be more like getting the Vengeful Spirit, where you immediately pass out and wake up in a different area

[potent sun]

there doesn’t have to be an hk equivalent of everything

[potent sun]

I don’t think so

it feels like we’re mostly fabricating these connections out of little tidbits that don’t actually say much yet

[brittle garnet]

i mean even team cherry makes thematic comparisons and inversions, like ascending to the top instead of descending to the bottom

[potent sun]

sure but that doesn’t mean everything is a comparison or inversion

we know nothing about the old lady and the music could be anything

[brittle garnet]

and by seer equivalent i just mean like a mentor that introduces an important mechanic

like seer with dream nail

here it's church keeper with playing music

[potent sun]

that’s why I’m not too hasty to take the haunting as a super super literal haunting yet

[brittle garnet]

why not

how can it be anything other than literal

[potent sun]

the instructions, the visual differences, just the way it’s being portrayed doesn’t seem as all encompassing

[brittle garnet]

the instructions conflict with other things we see

[potent sun]

we also don’t actually know if those instructions are old

we just kinda said they were

[opaque sigil]

haunting is so inherently conceptually figurative that it's hard for something to be one only in a figurative sense

[brittle garnet]

i mean most likely, considering that the only living coherent souls there are forge daughter and her assistant

[potent sun]

the only ones in the demo

[brittle garnet]

that's enough

[potent sun]

and we see way more coherent souls in the trailers

like way way way more

[glossy gazelle]

Well of the npcs we have seen interactions of anyhow

[potent sun]

definitely more than hk

[brittle garnet]

like even out of the stuff we see in deep docks, it doesn't seem like it's a functional workplace anymore

[potent sun]

I mean they’re still working

[brittle garnet]

i mean they're mining

[potent sun]

there’s no evidence to say it isn’t functional

[brittle garnet]

but so were the crystal peak bugs

[brittle garnet]

to the contrary, there is no evidence it is functional

[potent sun]

but they didn’t have instructions and were also very obviously infected

[brittle garnet]

yeah well these guys are very obviously not coherent

[potent sun]

other than the instructions telling them to do what they’re doing

and the forge daughter who is definitely functionally working

[brittle garnet]

the instructions could have been written whoever knows when

[slender yew]

remember that one time the hk community pretended silksong was out for a while?

[potent sun]

next to another dude who’s doing the same stuff everyone else is

[glossy gazelle]

And it seems like some bugs might possibly end up haunted as we get further into the game. I’m using Seth as an indicator of that one.

[potent sun]

Seth might just be actively defending something rather than haunted though

[glossy gazelle]

And it definitely seems like whatever is happening with him, he clearly doesn’t seem to want

[brittle garnet]

and also we don't know what she's doing. She's a smith but for whom is she smithing? Also Ballow is doing something which the enemies aren't doing

[potent sun]

there’s a million reasons why he could be doing what he’s doing

that’s like saying hornet was infected in the first game because she was attacking the knight

[brittle garnet]

besides the place looks dilapidated

why would they all attack you on sight if they weren't being controlled somehow?

[potent sun]

aren’t they all mining the same stuff

[brittle garnet]

ballow is shoveling coal into a container

[potent sun]

orders

[brittle garnet]

why isn't FD and Ballow attacking you then

[potent sun]

they aren’t following orders

[glossy gazelle]

Hornet has zero lines of dialogue indicating that something was happening with her. Seth, “The Voice” dialogue seems like something or another is trying to get ahold of him or call him to do something.

[wispy pagoda]

what if FD and Ballow got cut? I mean we haven't seen them for 5 years

[potent sun]

I actually don’t know the dialouge you’re referring to tbh

I believe you

[glossy gazelle]

Hang on

[brittle garnet]

he says "The voice... Has chosen me"

also this is what FD says

[potent sun]

it seems more like the people are more caught up in their work than completely mindless zombies

there’s no talk about corruption

[brittle garnet]

i mean some of them aren't working at all

[potent sun]

but that they’re “wound up”

[brittle garnet]

the flying enemies are just floating doing nothing

[potent sun]

I mean that’s gameplay purposes

[brittle garnet]

there is more work to be done than just mining away at ore

[neon adder]

Ourobouros

[brittle garnet]

there's not enough workers to operate all the lifts and we see nobody transporting any of the many many containers there

[potent sun]

they also have little baggies filled with coal that is being mined

[narrow prawn]

Maybe the weaver silk is meant to be used to enslave the workers and take away their minds so they keep working

[potent sun]

look we’re pretty unable to actually tell either way whether it’s productive or not

but it is important to note we see the coals in places that aren’t the deep docks

[brittle garnet]

it is pretty unambiguous that there are strings literally controlling stuff though

[brittle garnet]

i mean the kingdom wasn't always haunted, presumably

[potent sun]

so we can assume they’re going somewhere

[narrow prawn]

The bell forge daughters dont say the cursed bugs attack them so maybe they are only after hornet

[potent sun]

I find it very difficult it believe they’re just gonna pull out infection 2.0

[narrow prawn]

Theres a theory weavers are being enslaved for mass silk productipn

[narrow prawn]

Yea me too

[potent sun]

THAT I can definitely get behind

[brittle garnet]

i mean if anything it's more like infection+

[narrow prawn]

I dont think this is an infection

At least not in the same sense

[brittle garnet]

it's more like something is literally controlling things to further some goal

rather than turning things into mindless zombies

[potent sun]

again I’m not 100% signed on to the idea that they’re controlled physically

[narrow prawn]

If we get anything like a dreamnail we could figure out what is happening to them

[brittle garnet]

so if anything i believe the enemies are being directly controlled in order to try to kill Hornet specifically

[potent sun]

more controlled by duty and fealty

[glossy gazelle]

And I’m fairly certain we aren’t getting a dreamnail

[brittle garnet]

then what are the strings doing there

[narrow prawn]

Yes lace may be trying to kill us to stop us from being used by something else i think

[deep laurel]

are there not parasites that control bugs in a similar way?

[potent sun]

ik this sounds like a joke but dramatic effect

it looks like a screen effect

[brittle garnet]

sorry nope no

[narrow prawn]

Cordyceps fungus

[slender yew]

would be kinda cool if the final boss was against the hollow knight knight

[narrow prawn]

Highly unlikely tho

[brittle garnet]

it's 100% definitely intended to look like strings

[deep laurel]

mr mushroom final boss

[brittle garnet]

there is 0 way it's a coincidence it looks like that

[narrow prawn]

Cordyceps the last of us with bugs

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah Lace is not working for the Citadel, especially if that stunt as the start of the game was her doing (which is what is implied by her dialogue)

[potent sun]

and by the fact that she was conducting the butterflies that did the dirty work

[narrow prawn]

REAL

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/john-yakuzer-john-yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-chan-gif-17127199247060129926

[brittle garnet]

also stuff like this where you can see strings losing grip on things when they die

[narrow prawn]

Maybe they are suppling silk to other kingdoms

What r they gonna do with all of that themselves

[brittle garnet]

which could be for dramatic effect as well, but there is a reason it looks like strings

[glossy gazelle]

Doubt it’s for other kingdoms

[narrow prawn]

Also why does the blood look different in this game

Even hornets

[potent sun]

what if the silk is literally to make clothing and we’re all just dumbasses

[proper crypt]

Team Cherry, if you are seen that know: GTA 6 is coming, the hype of silksong gonna be notinhg

[glossy gazelle]

Aesthetics probably.

[proper crypt]

I want alot this game in my hands

[glossy gazelle]

Don’t overthink simple things

[potent sun]

pharloom is actually just the top producer of clothing in the world

[glossy gazelle]

That’s how we end up with very silly theories

[olive bobcat]

Silksong is over, #legendszsweep

[brittle garnet]

also idk if you were aware of this but
these are literally puppet strings

like cmon

[potent sun]

I mean that’s a robot

[brittle garnet]

so what

[potent sun]

how would you control it without strings

[brittle garnet]

like you would a robot??

[potent sun]

nothing else has strings when it roars

[brittle garnet]

nothing else is this big

[potent sun]

nothing else is a robot

[narrow prawn]

Do you know the crystal golem in hk

[potent sun]

we could go in circles forver

[neon adder]

I yearn for silksong

[olive bobcat]

And what about the enemies with strings controlling them?

[glossy gazelle]

The only other thing we actually see that start of the battle when it roars is Moss Mother

[potent sun]

I’m down to drop it

[narrow prawn]

Theres a crystal golem in hk

[potent sun]

wait really

[narrow prawn]

And it thinks without strings

[potent sun]

does it have strings

[narrow prawn]

So strings are not needed

[brittle garnet]

yeah you're just gonna choose the interpretation that it's not puppet strings every time

[narrow prawn]

You can even dream nail it

[potent sun]

yeah but we DEFINITELY don’t have enough info on that one

[glossy gazelle]

I have to fact check Moss Mother

[potent sun]

I’m not sure on moss mother

[narrow prawn]

You can dream nail it and it thinks by itself

[neon adder]

This mf

[narrow prawn]

I agree about the puppet strings its def not visual

[brittle garnet]

there are strings leading into the cocoon she comes out of tho

[potent sun]

I need to see something die that isn’t haunted to be sure about this

[narrow prawn]

Lace?

[storm abyss]

Lace

[potent sun]

okay THAT’S actually convincing I never would’ve seen those

[glossy gazelle]

Lace doesn’t die

[storm abyss]

She just gives off threads

[potent sun]

it’s not clear if the threads are connected to the strings or not

hornet does too

[glossy gazelle]

Also Moss Mother does explode in a similar way to how infected bosses explode

[potent sun]

so probably not

[narrow prawn]

First time silksong discussion talks about silksong

[neon adder]

Lace doesn’t have it, nor does the last judge, I think there’s a distinction between enemies that are puppeteered and enemies that are fighting you just because

[potent sun]

ik right this is crazy

[glossy gazelle]

Yeah Lace likely isn’t controlled.

Especially because her actions go directly against the citadel

[brittle garnet]

the puppet strings so far only appear when things die, and rarely in an intro to a bossfight

[neon adder]

Well… as far as we know

[shell yacht]

lace was just gaslight into joining the cult shes prob like a right hand man

[potent sun]

my argument is that the strings are an indicator that something is influenced by the citadel, not necessarily controlled fully

not in the infection sense

[glossy gazelle]

If the bugs with cloths on their heads are working for the citadel, she’s at least going against them.

[potent sun]

alright I gtg do work

nice convo though y’all

[neon adder]

Maybe, or maybe the citadel is doing some "joke’s on you" sort of thing

[potent sun]

adios

[neon adder]

Bait and switch

[brittle garnet]

right but the strings aren't metaphorical, they're literally there

at least we haven't seen Team Cherry depict anything metaphorical as being visible in the world

[glossy gazelle]

If that’s the case Lace sure did a good job of recklessly endangering her own allies

[olive bobcat]

Your wallet is an indicator that you are influenced by the economy, not necessarily controlled fully 🔥✍️