sk-discussion

[carmine island]

Gotta get the v1 vumo then I can die in peace

Sold out rn tho

[golden pawn]

Ultra-MID

I jest

[carmine island]

The spare change in my pocket

[kindred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/indie-game-meme-quarter-ultrakill-gif-26112589

[golden pawn]

I’ll be fr, I don’t care about the difference of indie or AAA , what matters is the game is fun and has its own style

[carmine island]

Style you say?

[golden pawn]

Barotrauma, don’t starve, ss13/ss14 , metal gear, DMC , ultrakill , palworld.

Palworld doesn’t have its own style it just mashess a lot together.

And somehow works

It’s also less buggy than ark is somehow!!

[ember geode]

the dude from rain world?

[carmine island]

Average palworld enjoyers

[golden pawn]

PROJECT ZOMBOID

THATS A GOOD ONE TOO

[ember geode]

same thing basically

[golden pawn]

Yes gourmand rainworld

[ember geode]

rivulet clears i fear

[golden pawn]

Wrong

Gourmand has the best design, most unique, and best campaign.

[prisma meteor]

is ror short for Rosie jr

[golden pawn]

Gourmand is the free-roam campaign basically , your objectives are so easy, you can just explore

Hook line sinker.

[prisma meteor]

hook line stinker

[ember geode]

definitely

[prisma meteor]

wow....

I'm so flattered

[ember geode]

best design i guess, most unique eh, and definitely not the best campaign

the only cool thing about his campaign is outer expanse

his gameplay is not as fun as other slugcats

[golden pawn]

I disagree

He is the most balanced.

[ember geode]

i guess but i like my slugcats quick

[golden pawn]

Hit with the weight of a semi and make a nuke at the cost of some speed

One thing I will admit is only being able to throw one spear before recovery is dumb.

You should have to hit two buttons for strong throw

[prisma meteor]

spugcat

[uneven orchid]

No way, Risk of Rain in chat

[prisma meteor]

no way noxstie in chat

what do you guys think of this

isn't he kind

[modest night]

He seems quite neutral

[uneven orchid]

I still gotta commission a banner and some art with Velho and Niko first

[sage glade]

https://tenor.com/bU4Sq.gif

[uneven orchid]

Hiiiiiiii bestie

[burnt tundra]

Cockstoos rock!

Especially when 80 of them fly over you and you can’t hear anything but the screams of the masses

[prisma meteor]

do cockatoos travel in large groups? isn't that more of a galah thing?

[prisma meteor]

no he's kind

[tiny pine]

Meow

I mean hi

[cyan forum]

Let's choke influencers in that fucking pepsi-max of theirs

[flat remnant]

hi puci

LUCI

grah fat thumbs 😭

[carmine island]

@olive bobcat what’s fleet admiral sengoku’s devil fruit?

Is it like the gold gold fruit or something?

[dusty nimbus]

Buddha

He becomes Buddha apparently

Although he hasn't displayed that much Buddhism

Just glowy aura

[quiet knot]

caw cwa

[upper gazelle]

Silksong release plz, daily silksong chant-
Silksong silksong silksong please come out
Now!!!

Ok ty.

[prisma meteor]

cockatoos are parrots they don't caw they titter politely and they go squaw squaw

[coral prawn]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[kindred pewter]

our saviour

the chosen one

[upper gazelle]

Founder of silksong cult

[carmine island]

Also crocodile is trans right?

[quiet knot]

squaw squaw screech

[quiet knot]

How can crocodiles be trans

oh wait nvm this is one piece

[flat remnant]

one piss...

[prisma meteor]

I saw an image once where crocodile and buggy were both women and they were in love

[upper gazelle]

[coral prawn]

Comedy gold

[prisma meteor]

it was ok but clearly fake because buggy is in love with shanks

[carmine island]

This time I’ll really do it

Buggy is obviously in love with shanks smh

[quiet knot]

The one piece lore has never been deeper

[coral prawn]

Such a shame they never met

[prisma meteor]

I went and found the image again and I can't send it because I might get in trouble but I forgot that literally the joke of the image is that buggy misses shanks and crocodile comforts her

and like gets jealous

[dusty nimbus]

No clue, I don't watch one piece like I used to nowdays

[remote ibex]

I hate corn

[dusty nimbus]

That's a you problem, I like tortilias

[prisma meteor]

wdym....

[remote ibex]

You can have a tortilla without corn

[coral prawn]

Same

[remote ibex]

I'm so glad you're not corn

[coral prawn]

Buggy and shanks almost never met

[prisma meteor]

wdym they used to be on the same crew...

shanks was there when buggy got his powers

[coral prawn]

Not any more

[remote ibex]

What kinda names are buggy and shanks

[prisma meteor]

it's shanks fault too kinda

[coral prawn]

It is

You are about 10 years to late to go for the One Piece

[pastel whale]

Hi not corn

[prisma meteor]

gayass names for some gayass men

[coral prawn]

Hello jala

[pastel whale]

Hola

[remote ibex]

The parents knew they were gay when they named them shrue

Hi

Thats me

[prisma meteor]

when I have a child I know they'll be gay and I'll name them accordingly

[remote ibex]

That seems like an awful fate for a child

[coral prawn]

I don't think shanks parents names him

[remote ibex]

He shanked people

[pastel whale]

Lamb shanks

[remote ibex]

This server should be more elitist

[golden pawn]

Raiden, turn off the game console right now

[remote ibex]

K i just did

[pastel whale]

I think you might be lying

[remote ibex]

Do i need to self advertise to prove it

[pastel whale]

Yes

[remote ibex]

Lfg

[prisma meteor]

being gay? little bit problematic tbh 🥱

[remote ibex]

https://youtu.be/eWscIIWQXDY?si=AwuxAERVZt_onxHP

[pastel whale]

Banned

[remote ibex]

This sucks

[remote ibex]

Being assumed gay and then given a gay name thatd you get bullied for plus just being your child in general would suck

[pastel whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-cat-shrek-oh-oooh-gif-5934095

[carmine island]

Dms mate

[remote ibex]

I don't think that's what she meant but more power to you sof

[cerulean sable]

This is never going to end isnt it

[remote ibex]

I mean, you could make it end

[prisma meteor]

is sof the one in chat

[remote ibex]

Rosie is blind

[prisma meteor]

I have them blocked and I'm trying to ignore it because that's what the mods told me to do

[flat remnant]

it's obviously a joke and rosie's done exactly that kind of joke before while the mods didn't care

i don't think they'll care either

[prisma meteor]

I normally click on blocked messages but I'm trying not to anymore

[flat remnant]

pinged mods on you when you said being gay is problematic (obvious joke)

[remote ibex]

I love homophobic jokes

[prisma meteor]

that's not what I was saying

[flat remnant]

ahhh yeah i read the additional context

mb i also misjudged

[prisma meteor]

I was intentionally misinterpreting what clover was saying and saying THEY were being problematic

[pastel whale]

I assumed Rosie meant saying being gay was bad was problematic

[remote ibex]

Yeah we got that

[flat remnant]

yeah i get that now

[prisma meteor]

that's obviously not what clover was saying I was making a joke

is that too far to say? I wouldn't have thought so

[remote ibex]

Humour is dead

[flat remnant]

no it's not

[pastel whale]

I'm dead

[remote ibex]

Same

[carmine island]

He left the server and came back we were so close yet so far

[remote ibex]

Tbf with zero context that sounds homophobic as fuck

[coral prawn]

No

[remote ibex]

Idk if sof wasnt reading properly or he just did it to be an asshole

[pastel whale]

Sorry not corn

[flat remnant]

sof likes to micromod

[remote ibex]

No he doesnt

[flat remnant]

cute lil hobbie if a bit mean

[remote ibex]

He likes to ping mods

[coral prawn]

Please start living again

[sage glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/609977387597299713/962947188202303560/fumb-1.gif

[remote ibex]

Micro modding is acting like a mod he just calls the mods over

[pastel whale]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-doctor-revive-defibrillator-gif-5304585453076024179

[echo bolt]

definition of being a loser

[carmine island]

He’s not even got the wires on him

[haughty pumice]

Woah relax there
A little too far

[echo bolt]

wdym too far

[remote ibex]

"a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest"

[carmine island]

Bit rude

[remote ibex]

Nah thats a bit far off

[pastel whale]

We should sue SpongeBob for being unrealistic

[carmine island]

We should

[echo bolt]

well thats the truth 🤷‍♂️

[remote ibex]

Calling the mods when you think someone is breaking the rules?

[flat remnant]

when they aren't actually *

[echo bolt]

🤣

[prisma meteor]

I apologise for causing a commotion but also I don't know what i could reasonably do to avoid it in future

[carmine island]

Jeez sof

[patent forum]

what the florp happened

[echo bolt]

is sof short for softie?

[flat remnant]

never change rosie

[golden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcat-oh-moderators-gif-27512105

[prisma meteor]

I'm just going to leave for a bit to play a game or something

[remote ibex]

Ok but "being gay? Sounds kinda problamatic" could be easily taken out of context just be careful what you type out

[prisma meteor]

I love this gif

[haughty pumice]

Have fun

[coral prawn]

Buh bye

[cerulean sable]

We warned beforehand

[remote ibex]

Huh

[patent forum]

smh fandom wiki

[remote ibex]

Maddy go back to being a cool girl instead of being in ss disc tbh

[carmine island]

There’s no other Ultrakill wiki that I know of

[patent forum]

https://ultrakill.miraheze.org/wiki/

[coral prawn]

Innocent?

[carmine island]

Damn I’ll use that tgen

[graceful meadow]

I support men lovers 🙏

[coral prawn]

So true leave while you still can

[carmine island]

Yes

[cerulean sable]

To either block each other or talk this entire situation out
And right now all im seeing is continued instigation

[golden pawn]

I don’t get why mods were called.

[remote ibex]

But pinging mods is silly

[golden pawn]

I just spedread it all and don’t get it.

[carmine island]

They even have little icons for the categories

[remote ibex]

Rosie said something that out of context is homophobic and sof pinged mods

[patent forum]

also I've seen like a few wrong things on it

like it said 7-2 has 4 soldiers while it has 3

and it said that 5-3 has the most cerberi while P-2 beats it by like 3

[golden pawn]

Is this the THIRD DAY in a row something related to homo/transphobia happened in this chat???

[remote ibex]

We should ban everyone with over 1000 messages in the server

[remote ibex]

Thats like a daily occurrence in the server wdym

[echo bolt]

hahaha

[coral prawn]

True...

[remote ibex]

Who u

[patent forum]

maddy alt

[echo bolt]

???

[remote ibex]

Maddy would never be this unlikeable

[golden pawn]

Man why we alwayss gotta be so negative.

[coral prawn]

Maddy is so cool

[golden pawn]

I hate it here but like, 3 people I like are here.

[remote ibex]

Im new to the server sorry idk how stuff works around here

[echo bolt]

what did i do wrong 😨

[golden pawn]

So I gotta stay.

[flat remnant]

hiii hellloo :3

[golden pawn]

I swear I’ve seen you before.

[remote ibex]

You came into chat called someone the definition of a loser for pinging mods

[patent forum]

well you're wrong

[golden pawn]

Yay

[remote ibex]

? I just joined today wdym

[coral prawn]

Yes stay here where you hate it

[echo bolt]

yeah and?

[patent forum]

that's rude

[golden pawn]

I swear I’ve seen your name.

[remote ibex]

???

[golden pawn]

Somewhere

[coral prawn]

That cant be true

[remote ibex]

You doin alright man

[golden pawn]

Who knows .

[patent forum]

my brain is rotting

[remote ibex]

[echo bolt]

nice

[remote ibex]

Me reference

[coral prawn]

Mine too

It would so so fun if there was an infinitet amount of floors in tarterus

[patent forum]

what's tarterus

[quiet token]

persona 3 thing

tartarus i think

[coral prawn]

I gaint tower

[coral prawn]

I like calling ot tartar sauce tower

[sage glade]

hampter

[coral prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-nintendo-cute-dancing-headphones-gif-17866294

[golden pawn]

https://fixupx.com/playstation/status/1754588703853621609?s=46

Dead on arrival ?

[high hedge]

You were fine

Sometimes cool people get targeted by others

[remote ibex]

[flat remnant]

splatoon for straight people

[prisma meteor]

I forgot about that game

[prisma meteor]

TRUE

[coral prawn]

Its rated E so ye

[golden pawn]

But I’m splatoon and straight.

Splatoon actually rules

And I want to watch foamstars die , or get turned into something unique.

[coral prawn]

If Eliter was removed

[prisma meteor]

are we finally friends Luffy.....

[flat remnant]

not for long

[high hedge]

No I just am annoyed when you aren’t bullied properly

[golden pawn]

Can I be designated as lesbian then cause I love women

[flat remnant]

what is the proper way to bully her

[high hedge]

Being evil

[remote ibex]

I love bullying rosie

[prisma meteor]

just like drake

[patent forum]

gender

[remote ibex]

Is there any mod who has never sent a single message

In the server I mean

[golden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-big-boss-metal-gear-solid5-burn-helicopter-crash-gif-25441263

[high hedge]

Simo

[prisma meteor]

my new house has a cool little roof over the back deck and we hung a hammock from it and it's fucking awesome why hasn't anyone told me how cool hammocks are

[remote ibex]

True

[coral prawn]

I doubt it

[coral prawn]

He is admin not mod smh

[golden pawn]

Real!

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-meme-baroque-works-mr3-one-piece3-gif-26122079

[coral prawn]

Oh he has the mod role

[flat remnant]

benji

[remote ibex]

I hate mods except the good ones

[prisma meteor]

but you said I was cool....

[high hedge]

You are

[prisma meteor]

I hate mods but I hate some of them less

[high hedge]

It’s why I persecute you so heavily

[remote ibex]

K

[golden pawn]

Cooked…

Oh how cooked…

[flat remnant]

imagine liking mods, couldn't be me

[coral prawn]

Should get rid of the mod role imo

[remote ibex]

Isn't that just how you view all people

[golden pawn]

Atleast tencent’s attempt at mobile don’t starve seemingly got shelved!!

[flat remnant]

nah if they did it would largely be forgotten about

[prisma meteor]

no I love lots of people...

[remote ibex]

Which means you hate them less than other people

[prisma meteor]

cos of jealousy

[flat remnant]

everyone cares about donkey kong country but have you ever seen anyone talk about donkey kong country gameboy

[prisma meteor]

you don't need to be jealous you are awesome too Luffy

[coral prawn]

Tropical freeze is peak

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-jaguar-kaiju-jetjaguar-gif-9817224

[haughty ingot]

wtf do they mean by acquired the rights for the game

[prisma meteor]

I think it's crazy they made a game about an ape running a nation

[remote ibex]

Maths would be cool if they explained why shit works tbh

[golden pawn]

Probably rights for a mobile port lol

Same thing happened with don’t starve.

Don’t starve: new home, which then died.

[flat remnant]

they do that all the time in real life

[haughty ingot]

please be as separate from the official game/fromsoft in general.....................................................

[coral prawn]

It would be cool if we could control how math worked

[quiet token]

how the hell are they gonna make the controls for elden ring on mobile

[remote ibex]

Ark mobile exists

[golden pawn]

Also whats this news about Xbox going third party

Rumors, for now

[prisma meteor]

only beautiful little kittens run nations in real life

[quiet token]

imagine anyone beating malenia

[golden pawn]

The console wars end when PlayStation or Xbox goes.

[coral prawn]

Oh no I'm gonna blow up💥💥

[flat remnant]

hitler was NOT a beautiful little kitten i don't care WHAT you say

[golden pawn]

Cause no one beating Nintendo.

[flat remnant]

like a hairless alleycat maybe

[prisma meteor]

I mean people play mobile games with controllers sometimes

[quiet token]

shrue...

[haughty ingot]

i hate tencent

[prisma meteor]

yeah but that was in the past, I said run which is present tense

[coral prawn]

Those people are insane

[flat remnant]

biden is also a hairless alleycat

trump was garfield

[coral prawn]

If I could i would rule the world

[tiny pine]

I used a controller to play a mobile game once

[quiet token]

wait how are they gonna make elden ring run on the thing 😭

[tiny pine]

Shit was wack

[remote ibex]

Gn luci

[quiet token]

shits gonna be 10 fps

[tiny pine]

Hi

[flat remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fallen-kingdom-putin-walk-putin-walk-meme-meme-minecraft-gif-17856466

[tiny pine]

More like 0.1 fps

[prisma meteor]

it might be a cloud game?

[tiny pine]

I USED TO RULE THE WORLD

[coral prawn]

More time to think and dodge

[sage glade]

is this satire

[quiet token]

i thought so too, like it can't be real

[sage glade]

the bosses already take 10 years to do an attack

[coral prawn]

I want to play P3R

[remote ibex]

Chat when will the earths core run out of hot

[coral prawn]

Tommorow

[sage glade]

in about 5 minutes

[remote ibex]

Fuck

[coral prawn]

I want to go in tartar sauce tower

[sage glade]

https://tenor.com/bpnSn.gif

[quiet token]

last :3

[coral prawn]

Last :3?

[haughty ingot]

p3r.... 70 dollars?
uur shitting mee,...

[golden pawn]

Waiting for bday.

OH YEAH, I gotta calculate

[coral prawn]

Its really good tho

[golden pawn]

Wallet damage.

[coral prawn]

I'm addicted to P3R

[quiet token]

i forgot that "last" in swedish roughly means baggage

[haughty ingot]

idk if i got it in me to sit through another 200 hours of persona again

[coral prawn]

Skip the text and make it 190

[quiet token]

guh

[golden pawn]

Oh yeah, if I go and get everything I want after my birthday.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972055977849401354/1130459867245711450/251AF7DB-6BAA-41DA-9D4B-1F896544E3E9.gif

[coral prawn]

[golden pawn]

170 of that is 2 things btw

[haughty ingot]

dollars?

[golden pawn]

Yep

USD

With tax btw

[coral prawn]

USA USA USA🇨🇰

[patent forum]

🇱🇷

[flat remnant]

the amount of energy this gif has

[prisma meteor]

there's a gecko on the ground near me....

[sage glade]

🇺🇲

[flat remnant]

nom

[sage glade]

who just said fanum tax

[coral prawn]

Silly little thing

[prisma meteor]

he fell from the roof

[remote ibex]

Challenge it to a sorcery duel

[prisma meteor]

made a little thunk noise when it hit the ground and then ran away a few seconds later

[coral prawn]

Good its ok

[quiet token]

bought a few things for roughly 800 usd recently

[prisma meteor]

yeah he's not heavy enough to get hurt from that

[sage glade]

? gpu

[prisma meteor]

like if an ant was dropped from space it would be fine because it's not heavy

[coral prawn]

I wish i could be a geko

[remote ibex]

Uh

It would burn

[golden pawn]

[coral prawn]

[quiet token]

i don't think y'all can guess what things i bought (unless you heard me say them)

[remote ibex]

Also it would still die

Whats the terminal velocity of an ant tbh

[sage glade]

it won't die

[remote ibex]

How

[prisma meteor]

you burn coming in because of the amount of air you are displacing, something that small wouldn't work for that I reckon.....

[patent forum]

I think ants are immune to fall damage

[coral prawn]

@ebon abyss help

[golden pawn]

Cool merch !

[sage glade]

the terminal velocity is small enough relative to their volume

[remote ibex]

Holy shimole ant terminal velocity is only 6km/h

[sage glade]

there are videos of this experiment on yt

[quiet token]

thats less than what i got on christmas so its fine

[sage glade]

lil buggers just walk away like nothing

[patent forum]

if we dropped an ant from space when would it reach earth

would it starve to death on the way

[remote ibex]

A while

No

Ant can go weeks without eating

[coral prawn]

I wish I could

[prisma meteor]

!!!!!

[coral prawn]

I would die in 7 hours

[remote ibex]

You can

It would just suck real bad

[remote ibex]

Into a volcano

[coral prawn]

I take that as a challange

[remote ibex]

Also how much does human terminal velocity vary on body shape

[patent forum]

what if you throw an ant at the ground really hard

[ebon abyss]

[remote ibex]

I doubt you could

[coral prawn]

Check mate god

[ebon abyss]

Why am I getting summoned here

[remote ibex]

It would cling on

But if you could throw it then it'd probably die

[ebon abyss]

Give me the area of the largest cross section of an ant and it's mass and I'll tell you

[tall cargo]

i think 2

[ebon abyss]

True

[tall cargo]

for its weight, probably like 4

[ebon abyss]

It is 2 in at least one unit system

[remote ibex]

0.6cm^2 weight is 13 grams

[ebon abyss]

Where you define the unit of area as half the largest cross sectional area of an ant

[coral prawn]

Can you do your magic now?

[ebon abyss]

Kk let me remember how to derive the formula

[remote ibex]

Holy shit i was so far off

They weigh 2.5 miligrams

[coral prawn]

So smol

[patent forum]

corn is corn

[remote ibex]

Maddy is gurl

[coral prawn]

I'm not corn

[patent forum]

corn is still corn

[coral prawn]

CORN IS CORN👇

[remote ibex]

We should destroy infrastructure

[patent forum]

true

[ebon abyss]

I'll get back to you after dinner

I wanna do that proper derivation for educational purposes instead of just quoting a formula

[coral prawn]

Good luck and have fun

[sage glade]

like what

[weary juniper]

True

[remote ibex]

Fox go to somewhere good

[remote ibex]

All of it

[weary juniper]

Like where

[remote ibex]

Like not discord

[weary juniper]

But I like it here

[golden pawn]

My favorite country artist died.

[weary juniper]

Noo :(

[coral prawn]

[remote ibex]

Stockholm syndrome

[coral prawn]

I where gonna say something to say but I forgot

[weary juniper]

What

[coral prawn]

Eww Stockholm

[remote ibex]

Google "en passant"

[weary juniper]

Isn't that a chess move

[remote ibex]

Google isn't a word apparently

[weary juniper]

Huh

[remote ibex]

H

[weary juniper]

All I see is chess

[prisma meteor]

am I correct in thinking Stockholm syndrome was like made up by police officers to explain away situations where they acted badly in hostage or kidnapping situations

[remote ibex]

Uncertain

[prisma meteor]

I feel like I've heard that before but I've never looked it up extensively

[remote ibex]

I know the original case it was based on is when these people held hostages and the hostages vouched for them in court afterwards

[coral prawn]

Yup thats why

[remote ibex]

@weary juniper hop on server gwnj is there

[weary juniper]

Omg omg

[coral prawn]

But man I hate Stockholm

[prisma meteor]

the only thing I could find with like a minutes of googling was that they didn't want to police to come in because they feared they could get hurt in the crossfire

[remote ibex]

John stockholm...

[upper gazelle]

We need silksong food, what would silksong food be

[coral prawn]

Spiders

[iron spear]

grubs

[remote ibex]

Graig do you know him

[iron spear]

i wish silksong would come out too so i can talk about it ffs

[upper gazelle]

Ok people eat both of those, time for silksong food challenge

[coral prawn]

No I just ate

[upper gazelle]

I'm gonna eat rn too, spiders and grubs

not really but I was just wondering 😭

[cerulean sable]

Graig you should play Ultrakill

[remote ibex]

Nah, I'd silk

[weary juniper]

Haiii Graig

[golden pawn]

You could always spoil everyone

[upper gazelle]

No spoiling!

[remote ibex]

Hornet dies

[cerulean sable]

case and point

[remote ibex]

Twice

[cerulean sable]

https://fxtwitter.com/Rouughnix/status/1656626776393777153

[upper gazelle]

[modest night]

Hey girls

[weary juniper]

Hi taco 🌮

[remote ibex]

I hate girls they're too tall

[modest night]

Skill issue ngl

[flat remnant]

hi sonia

[golden pawn]

Hi sonia!!

[quiet knot]

this is awesome

[quiet knot]

Maybe you're too short

[prisma meteor]

looking through the Wikipedia article I can't find anything about the hostages testifying for them in court

[quiet knot]

if so, i feel you..

[cerulean sable]

oh no sonia, aka ms "i dont need nimble cuz i have 50HP and i can just dodge tank by buffing Initiative and Mdef every level" yeah yeah keep talking

[upper gazelle]

Update - spiders are too crunchy when fried and grubs are just ew

[remote ibex]

I'm 6'1 and I know one girl taller than me therefore they're too tall

[weary juniper]

Taco should I play ultrakill

[cerulean sable]

depends

uhhh

is it your type of game 🥴

[quiet knot]

lol ok

[remote ibex]

I don't remember where I heard it tbh I think it was in a video so I mightve just been false

[modest night]

Hiii

[weary juniper]

I didn't think of that
I would probably also be really bad at it haha

[modest night]

Ttacco do you think you would like weird punk bands

[quiet knot]

"lenient mode"

[remote ibex]

Fox is good at killing people with guns therefore good at ultrakill

[weary juniper]

Fr

[cerulean sable]

i mean the bigger issue is less on difficutly and if youre very easy to get motion sickness

[weary juniper]

I ammmm very good at shooters true

[cerulean sable]

hmmm depends

im open to a lot of genres

just not black metal

[weary juniper]

Oh yeah fair
I don't get motion sick easily

[modest night]

https://youtu.be/SAJNmFoWVRM?feature=shared you should check this out tbh

[prisma meteor]

everything I can find is just suggesting that the hostages were upset at the police for ignoring the captors threats and therefore putting the hostages in danger

[cerulean sable]

i dont really like constant screaming about how satan will come down to my house and kill me but not before i make breakfast microwave burrito and talk our difference and realized were not just that different at all then i take this opportunity to throw sand from my pockets and pull out my fuccking famed 120 damage roll zweihander and indom > adrenaline next turn before swapping to mace then stunning

[prisma meteor]

like they used tear gas to end the situation despite the captor saying he would kill the hostages if they tried that

[remote ibex]

Classic police

[ebon abyss]

rough calculation

[remote ibex]

Thats seems pretty fast

[coral prawn]

[cerulean sable]

i kinda like the melody

[remote ibex]

Whats that in km/h

[ebon abyss]

rho is mass density of the air btw

[cerulean sable]

so far at least

[ebon abyss]

5.4

rho is the p looking letter

[modest night]

You know I'm sure a band genuinely has those lyrics somewhere

[weary juniper]

Haii lumos

[quartz cave]

Sonia!!!!

[ebon abyss]

conventionally used for density

[modest night]

Hiiii

[ebon abyss]

hi fox

[quartz cave]

Bestie how are you

[ebon abyss]

hi sonia its been a while

[weary juniper]

Bonk for mod 2024 💯

[high hedge]

Oh hey Sonia

[remote ibex]

Google said 4km/h so close enough

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46vIlYdMBOA this is the farthest ive gotten

[remote ibex]

Oh god please no

[modest night]

I'm doing good, just came back home from class

[cerulean sable]

in terms of something similar sounding that i still enjoyed

[quartz cave]

Wtf deadclover newknight

[weary juniper]

Why not

[ebon abyss]

google said 4mph according to the screenshot rosie sent

[young saffron]

its already feb 6 wtf

[cerulean sable]

all i know is the "i have bodies in my basement" and lo and behold, he did have bodies in his basement 🥴

[remote ibex]

Oh I thought it said km

[high hedge]

Have classes been better lately?

[ebon abyss]

this is 3.3 mph which is close enough

I just googled average ant volume then assumed that its a 2x1x1 rectangular prism

[remote ibex]

Ask meowscara

[ebon abyss]

to get the biggest cross section

[modest night]

Sharky the other bio person no way

[weary juniper]

@ebon abyss

[ebon abyss]

obviously a bad assumption but I couldn't find data on the largest cross sectional area of an ant

[remote ibex]

Measure it yourself

[coral prawn]

Lights⁵

[cerulean sable]

WANANANA WANANANANA I WANNA LOVE YOUUUUUU WANANAN (HEY)

I give this song, a solid 7 to a strong 8 out of 10 Sonia

Very good

[remote ibex]

No singing allowed

[modest night]

dude do you know any band that sounds like this?

[coral prawn]

Welp i guess I'm bannd

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-gif-24648979

[modest night]

because ive been looking into the french punk scene and this is one of the only good bands i could find...

[cerulean sable]

For your music suggestions, you are hearby authorized One (1) Standard Issue - Preheated Lasagna Ration (Expiry due to: "02/17/2024")

[modest night]

what's the best ration you can get

[cerulean sable]

the one we can provide

now stop complaining, goddamn kids and their "standards" these days 😤

as my mom would always say

something something, at least youre eating, something

[quartz cave]

Complaining is my favorite activity, why dont YOU rais youre standards

[lament lotus]

hello

[cerulean sable]

TYRURE

[river thicket]

Oh man

[cerulean sable]

i will comp0lain about my Silksong standards

[modest night]

ttacco i need your help......

[cerulean sable]

SILKSONG should have 100% detailed world building to regards to food eaten in Pharloom

uhhhh

hmmm

[coral prawn]

Everyone should liten to IDKhow imo

[cerulean sable]

let me think on the top of my head

no promises tho Sonia 🥴

[modest night]

yeah dw

[lament lotus]

dont do that thatll hurt

[cerulean sable]

this genre is kinda far away from my usual stuff

[quartz cave]

Silkzza, Songburger, bugshake

[cerulean sable]

Hollow Knight Happy Meal toys

[quartz cave]

Man i love my friesnet

[modest night]

your usual uhhhh earthmover stuff

[cerulean sable]

oh ok

[ebon abyss]

clover do you need any more maths things or am I free to unlist this channel again

[cerulean sable]

well, liike i said ill get back to you and ill try it again

[young saffron]

how do people keep such a track of songs

[quartz cave]

Youre free lumos

[young saffron]

I just listen to what I like on a loop till it dries out

[ebon abyss]

excellent

[cerulean sable]

spotify > like songs

[coral prawn]

[young saffron]

why is kaang in your pfp

[quartz cave]

Thats not kaang dummy

[coral prawn]

Its the lunatic cultist

[quartz cave]

Thats ttacco

[modest night]

sometimes you gotta come back to what you've bled dry

[coral prawn]

Form the worst game ever terraria

[young saffron]

true!

[coral prawn]

Bleed magic

[young saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiKuhfDjims

[young saffron]

I think its time I replay terraria, this time on expert mode not normal

[quartz cave]

I should comically throw a piano at someone cartoon style

[coral prawn]

Expert imo

[coral prawn]

Please throw it at me

[quartz cave]

I can only throw musical_keyboard

🎹

[coral prawn]

Works for m-

🤕

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-styles-fall-funny-gif-15503010

[coral prawn]

That this play list is so long

[cerulean sable]

https://grimdawn.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Pox_(Skill)

[coral prawn]

Huh?

[cerulean sable]

you wanted bleed magic therey ou have it

if you want you can get monster infrequents that will boost bleed damage further

[coral prawn]

What does any of this even mean? I was referencing a song

[cerulean sable]

oh

i thought you were making a terraria reference

speaking of which

time for work is over

its gaming time 😎

[coral prawn]

[quartz cave]

Ttacco hop on among us vr

[brittle garnet]

YES

show me more bug food

[cerulean sable]

i dopnt have VR

unironically tho

[quartz cave]

Damn

[cerulean sable]

i would love more mundane worldbuilding aspects

just not political stuff

[quartz cave]

You should het one its pretty cool

You can now suckerpunch whoever you dont like

[cerulean sable]

like yeah sure its cool and all that king juan xavier espacito de le carmelita los anyos lo pollos hermanos amogus rombus declared war against his neighbors because the doctrine forbids that they expand past their designated land for more than 0.6 micro meters or wtv

but sometimes the mundane part like food ar the best part

[quartz cave]

YRUE

Like what do you want me to think this is politiland?

Hornet should be able to assault pedestrians areound the city

[quiet token]

they should make silksong vr exclusive

[quartz cave]

YRUE

[quiet token]

and then just make it 2D anyway

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg12uhZu9_o

[cyan forum]

what i am about to do

[quartz cave]

I cant see the vid but the title won me

[cyan forum]

is not approved

[cerulean sable]

bruh

[cyan forum]

by the United Nations General Assembly

[sacred stratus]

@cyan forum I’m getting the official Kushala figure

[cerulean sable]

awatch it its ag ood video

[cyan forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/130822263896408064/1203926503478272040/IMG_6552.gif?ex=65d2deee&is=65c069ee&hm=62c83619cf2292a5d05d0c4efb5fddf04e6a881c10f27c3fc5c34bb7fc690c7c&

[cyan forum]

Fire

[sacred stratus]

90$ but it’s so worth it

[cyan forum]

One of my favorite elder dragons when you look past the gameplay

[cerulean sable]

CAN YOU SEE ANY KINGDOMS FROM UP HERE?

WHAT HAS KINGDOMS GIVEN US

WERE GONNA START ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH, THATS WHAT SILK 2 IS FOR

[sacred stratus]

Yup

This gotta be on my shelf real safe

[cerulean sable]

Kushala's ecology video is still the hardest going ecology video in MonHun history

no cap

[cyan forum]

That's the spirit, buddy.

[cerulean sable]

you cant prove me wrong

[sacred stratus]

Nah

[quartz cave]

Ttacco have you played slime rancher

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjc1X3O0Xxs

[cyan forum]

Omfg I love the iron shed

Peak...!

[sacred stratus]

How even… Kush is not even in portable 3rd

[cerulean sable]

dungo he was

i remember fighting him and giving up

cuz the fucker required sharpness purple to do shit

[sacred stratus]

What da heeeeeeeeeeee

[cerulean sable]

and the stupid wind too

[quartz cave]

Thats based

[uneven orchid]

Has Slime Rancher 2 had any updates since its release? I remember buying it and getting as far as the game went but it wasn't finished at that point

[cyan forum]

Use poison

[cerulean sable]

look, getting tripped by wind without wind protection every 10 seconds is not fun

yeah well

[quartz cave]

NOXEIEEEE

Hiiiii

[cyan forum]

That usualy gets the job done

[cerulean sable]

i didnt know UNTIL then, that poison stopped the wind effect, i still dont know how that works 🥴

[quartz cave]

Yes it has gotten some, i believe you can even find regular sabers now

[cyan forum]

LMA

O

rip my guy

[quartz cave]

Sr1 multiplayer when bestie?

[uneven orchid]

SR1 has multiplayer?? Or is it a mod

[quartz cave]

Mod

[prisma meteor]

yeah like 3

I think 5 new slimes?

[coral prawn]

[uneven orchid]

I see, I'll have to start playing again and check out the new content

[prisma meteor]

they had an update with the saber slimes and a new cold area and then they had an update with dervish and tangle slimes and a new dynamic weather system

it might have just been 2 not 3

I think the third one is coming soon and has to do with how the gadget system works

[coral prawn]

Yeah I'm rasing the dead

[prisma meteor]

hi raising the dead I'm Rosie

[coral prawn]

Hello Roise

[prisma meteor]

it's rosie

[inland ravine]

so anyway i appear

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133935732965265569/1193550752665325578/caption.gif

[uneven orchid]

Hey GWNJ!

[inland ravine]

NOXIE

https://tenor.com/view/niko-one-shot-gif-13417333390124952303

[primal horizon]

Oh damn roomba

I forgot what the achievement was called woopsie daisies

[coral prawn]

Goomba?

[golden pawn]

Gwnj!

[inland ravine]

Ast

[coral prawn]

Oh my

[quartz cave]

Hop on a hat in time

[kindred pewter]

Megamind 2 should not exist...
Megamind 2 should exist

[white sail]

@coral prawn heads

[coral prawn]

Its should not

[quartz cave]

Megaman 2 should exist
NOT this megaman 2

[golden pawn]

REAL!

[inland ravine]

i don't play games ismoil

i'm unbased i know...

[quartz cave]

Hop on ahiy ot im sending a nuke

[kindred pewter]

basically, Why the hell is peacock producing Megamind 2? I feel like DreamWorks should 100% have full control of this project, not peacock.

[golden pawn]

The. What do you do!

[coral prawn]

Rich grils in gloomtown

[inland ravine]

chatting and drawing

[quartz cave]

Ends with errorism

[inland ravine]

CORN

[golden pawn]

Real…

[prisma meteor]

I have to go fix my train system in satisfactory ☹️

[inland ravine]

i mean..

NOT CORN

[coral prawn]

Gwnj

[quartz cave]

Rosie hop on AHIT

[prisma meteor]

satisfactory should let me work double storages like a smart splitter stupid game....

[prisma meteor]

it does look fun but I don't have it....

[quartz cave]

WHAT

[coral prawn]

Feed me to the crows

[quartz cave]

Get it then

[prisma meteor]

I watched someone play the kitty cat DLC once and it was awesome

[quartz cave]

It IS awesome

Youre a fucking yakuza cat
Yakucat

[uneven orchid]

Talking of kittens, Toothless says hi

[quartz cave]

Yooooooooo

[coral prawn]

[prisma meteor]

are they named after the fishy guy from the movie

[inland ravine]

GATO

[coral prawn]

I gota go but I don't know whyyyyy!

[golden pawn]

I love playing management games until I have to fix something

[quartz cave]

Noxie hop on ahit

[tall cargo]

gmwnj

[uneven orchid]

They're named after the dragon

[golden pawn]

Barotrauma is fun until the ship floods and I gotta repair EVERY JUNCTION BOX

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-dragon-dance-boogie-happy-gif-5558141494209424671

[prisma meteor]

corn your nickname makes me think of a bad two sentence horror post

[inland ravine]

real

[prisma meteor]

yeah the guy who eats all the fish and it's gross

[uneven orchid]

Ohhhh, yeah lmao

[prisma meteor]

I hated the fish in that movie I thought it was really gross when hiccough fed him the fish....

[quartz cave]

Toothlwss irl when

[prisma meteor]

baby Rosie refused to watch it

[coral prawn]

What does that even mean?

[quartz cave]

Im trying to get all ahit achievements imo

[prisma meteor]

I don't know how to explain it

[prisma meteor]

do you wanna see my train system

[golden pawn]

I do!

[quartz cave]

Do you wanna see my ahit progress

[prisma meteor]

well I didnt ask you

[prisma meteor]

for sure

[quartz cave]

I have got the easiest achievement next

[manic abyss]

With Specter Of Torment done, only one game remains

[quartz cave]

Beat a boss without getting hit ever

Surely ill do it easily

Surely

[coral prawn]

The best one

[golden pawn]

Dayum thank you man

[quartz cave]

Wanna see my create train system

[prisma meteor]

create is satisfactory for poor people 😤

[coarse leaf]

does satisfactory have a breaking bad addon

[quartz cave]

Except its better because you can add sguff like among us

[coral prawn]

Heloo I'm one of the poor people/j

[coarse leaf]

also m*necraft is probably more expensive than satisfactory thank mojang

[quartz cave]

EXACTLY, can you make cocaine in satisfactory??? Thought sl

[prisma meteor]

Minecraft is like 20 bucks girlie

[coral prawn]

GUH!?

[quartz cave]

So the exact same

[coral prawn]

Yeah but minecraft sucks

[sinful flare]

not anymore

[coarse leaf]

used to be 27 before, iirc now its 30 but it includes the ms store edition too

[primal horizon]

minecraft…

[coarse leaf]

do they sell java by itself too

[sinful flare]

i dont think so

[prisma meteor]

theyve been sold together for years dude

[coarse leaf]

i mean yeah it might've been a year or 2 idk

[prisma meteor]

my minecraft account is like at least from 2016 and they were sold together

[primal horizon]

I’ve forgotten that it has been years since they were sold together

[coarse leaf]

that was an offer

they werent sold together at that time

[prisma meteor]

it was not an offer it was the only way to purchase it

[coarse leaf]

i also bought it at around that time, it was like an october thing or smth

[primal horizon]

I think they meant like

They had bedrock edition first

[coarse leaf]

i mean yeah they were giving bedrock for free with java during like halloween that year or smth

[heady iron]

I got mc when it was 15 bucks way back when

[surreal remnant]

legacy, then bedrock, then java

legacy will always be peak

[heady iron]

I miss 2011

[surreal remnant]

the tutorial world was my childhood

[primal horizon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/java---bedrock-edition-pc-out-june-7

[sinful flare]

yeah i also remember it being like that

[prisma meteor]

are there any cool demos in next fest

i dont like searching through all the old people games

[primal horizon]

rotwood I think

[coarse leaf]

also why the fuck can i not access these pages on the mc website sjfiriekd

i wanna see how it looks like now

[golden pawn]

A lot of metroidvanias

[sinful flare]

yo they released bloodborne on pc finally

[golden pawn]

A side scrolling fighting game rougelike about quitting your job

[sinful flare]

let klei cook

[coarse leaf]

they found my cocaine stash

[surreal remnant]

shit

[sinful flare]

[coarse leaf]

jetpack joyride

[primal horizon]

No I mean it’s quite literally coming out next fest as a demo

[prisma meteor]

i dont like metroidvanias mostly

[surreal remnant]

hosting a minecraft server is such a pain

[primal horizon]

what does an access denied code mean

[surreal remnant]

especially if you want said minecraft server to be publicly available

and if you don’t want to leak your ip address

[golden pawn]

Klei, it rhymes with PEAK.

[prisma meteor]

a metroidvania is really easy to make fucking boring and terrible i dont trust a random indie team to make a good one

[surreal remnant]

there’s always the option to leak your ip address

but it’s rarely a good option

[surreal remnant]

what about TC?

[primal horizon]

“The “Access Denied” error appears when your browser uses different proxy settings or VPN instead of what's really set on your Windows 10 PC. Thus, when a website detects that there is something wrong with your browser cookies or your network, it blocks you and this is why you can't open it.”

[coarse leaf]

but im not even on a windoes 10

im on my android

[primal horizon]

Do you have a vpn though

[golden pawn]

Even WORSE

[coarse leaf]

no

[primal horizon]

just ignore it said windows 10

[prisma meteor]

i mean i dont like hollow knight as much as most people in this server do but it was fine i guess, ill play silksong but i probably wont finish it

i liked metroid dread

i ddint finish it either tho

[primal horizon]

More people not loving* hollow knight 😔

[surreal remnant]

definitely enjoyed HK, i found it a bit too difficult but that’s just cause i don’t enjoy super hard games, i really enjoy the lore of the game tho

[prisma meteor]

im excited for earthblade

[surreal remnant]

i prefer HK’s lore to the actual game

[golden pawn]

Hk is probably #2 in lore for me but #1 in world building and atmosphere

[surreal remnant]

i’ll prolly play SS, but might get some mods to make it easier

[primal horizon]

I think I’m the only person in #sk-discussion who actually loves all aspects of HK, but I acknowledge FLAWS y’all, I SWEAR this isn’t bias

[prisma meteor]

will you play earthblade 🥺

[surreal remnant]

haven’t heard of it

i’ll definitely check it out tho

@surreal remnant

[prisma meteor]

its a metroidvania being made by the celeste people

[tall cargo]

the celeste people

[primal horizon]

Ohh yeah earthblade hmm

[prisma meteor]

the main character has cool horns

[primal horizon]

honestly despite everything I said silksong is still my most anticipated game

[golden pawn]

Peak…

[prisma meteor]

mine is pikmin 5 tbh imo irrc

[primal horizon]

also waitin’ for little nightmares 3

[prisma meteor]

I FORGOT

im also very excited for little nightmares 3

[primal horizon]

I am NOT proud of your acronyms

[heady iron]

Pixel art 🥱

[primal horizon]

Your acronyms SUCK

[golden pawn]

Mines probably metal gear solid six , or whatever game comes next.

[prisma meteor]

initialisms*

[prisma meteor]

initialisms*

[silver oak]

Any silkers in chat

[golden pawn]

And if there will be no other metal gear then kojima’s new action-stealth game.

[primal horizon]

Ok 😔

[golden pawn]

Necro!!

[coarse leaf]

we havent even got it yet and i already wanna see whats kojima cookijg with Mineral Contraption Liquid

[primal horizon]

then there’s big walk which is peak gaming

[coarse leaf]

NOT metal gear solid btw

[prisma meteor]

what are you guys talking about?

[brittle garnet]

not gonna lie, it's not as fun to be a silker as it used to be

[prisma meteor]

is there more information on kojimas game since the game awards?

[silver oak]

You mean Element Gadget Gas?

[coarse leaf]

kojima announced a metal gear type game

[golden pawn]

No he announced ANOTHER

[prisma meteor]

seperate to the one with jordan peele?

[golden pawn]

same genre as metal gear solid .

[golden pawn]

Yes

[coarse leaf]

he didnt explicitly say "metal gear" but mentioned "action espionage" iirc

or smth idk

[prisma meteor]

so hes doing death stranding 2, OD, and this new game at the same time?

[golden pawn]

He can’t metal gear cause Konami has the rights… I despise Konami.

[prisma meteor]

death stranding two looks fun from the trailer

[golden pawn]

Yep!!

[prisma meteor]

it has a baby mech

which is good i reckon

one day i should finish og death stranding

[golden pawn]

I have too big of a backlog

[coarse leaf]

i am somehow failing to type adhd

[heady iron]

I love walking simulators

[prisma meteor]

i got to like mountain knot city i think

[coarse leaf]

anyway adhd phase kojima

[golden pawn]

I like playing roleplaying games and can’t go back

[prisma meteor]

death stranding isnt really a walking sim except in the most literal interpretation of the words

[golden pawn]

Using imagination and whimsy to roleplay on a space station with almost 100 other people>>>

[tall cargo]

among

[golden pawn]

No.

That is 10 people, killing eachother violently

Which doesn’t rlly happen in the game I described

Except the time I blew up medbay/armory and 360’d into a rpg launch into a poor engineer.

[brittle garnet]

ss13

[golden pawn]

Ss14, but yeah same thing

[tired lake]

I'm gonna be high on hopium that this rumored direct happens next week

[brittle garnet]

i heard it was rumored for tomorrow

in either case i don't think silksong will be in a direct

[tired lake]

Well.. soon would be pleasant at least

Yeah you're right

Man I wanna play it

[sacred stratus]

At this point I accepted Silksong will come when we don’t expect it

[brittle garnet]

where are the leakers when we need them

[manic abyss]

When does hopium run dry and turn into copium?

[tired lake]

I'd say when all hope is lost

Dont ask me when that is

[brittle garnet]

hopium and copium are two sides of the same coin

[sage glade]

oh boy our billionth rumoured direct

[tired lake]

At this point, what is excitement these days

[golden pawn]

Yeah I’m a leaker.

Check your faucet.

[coral prawn]

[manic abyss]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What's coming out nowadays?

Sonic Generations X Shadow?

[coral prawn]

P3R

[manic abyss]

That too

[tired lake]

That's true

There's a cool mario sunshine mod that's coming in june, looking forward to that since its been in dev for 4 years

[manic abyss]

Mod for which game?

[sage void]

good morning everyone

[tired lake]

Super mario sunshine

[coral prawn]

Gm agent

[manic abyss]

Sick

[tired lake]

[manic abyss]

Hey Agent

[sage void]

hey daud

[coral prawn]

[golden pawn]

La!

[sinful flare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/267041819076853760/896496284209410128/image0-17.gif

[coarse leaf]

are there any upcoming events that could reasonably have a chance of having news ?

[coral prawn]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[coarse leaf]

i dont think this month has any lol

[sinful flare]

when you think about it every event has one

[coarse leaf]

do they

idk about all that lol

[sinful flare]

youre not the hoper

[coral prawn]

I'm the chooper

[tired lake]

I'm the coper

[coarse leaf]

i am hopefull

[sage glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/163382741491122176/796841590387638312/image0-4.gif

[coarse leaf]

i have been waiting for years now lol so i hope somthing happens in the next year lol

[manic abyss]

@sinful flare I reached King Of Cards

So far, don't like it that much

It's alright ig

[sinful flare]

https://tenor.com/view/the-only-thing-i-know-for-real-sam-samuel-rodriguez-gif-25842814

[coral prawn]

Its a shame that you can't beat ot with out collecting any gold

[sinful flare]

nah just wait until you get into the card game lategame

thats when it gets peak

[coarse leaf]

thats the first time i have read ig and not had to look up what it was

[sinful flare]

quick what does ss stand for

[primal horizon]

holy crap dude your pfp is fire

[coral prawn]

Me and who?