sk-discussion

[tiny pine]

So I went to another mall and thankfully they weren't closed yet

Bought a camera and went home

[lusty horizon]

must be nice being able to spend without worry 😭

[tiny pine]

I mean

I've been saving up for months now

[lusty horizon]

I see, but still

[tiny pine]

I get what u mean

[lusty horizon]

blegh, I just I envy independence, I assume you're living by yourself anyway, buying all this stuff

the ovens

[tiny pine]

But in my defense

[lusty horizon]

[tiny pine]

Oh yeah

Wait what I meant to say was

I don't spend much on anything anyway

[hard pendant]

what if silk prices increase by the time silksong comes out?

[tiny pine]

Since I never really go out much
Plus most of my money goes into the monthly bills

And the rest ?
I just save up

[coral prawn]

if you stop eating for a year do you know how much money you can save

[wheat sail]

Should come out with me 😌

[tiny pine]

And yeah I'm living by myself
Technically I have a roommate but yeah

I mean it's nice being independent
But also terrifying

Still nice though

[hard pendant]

at least 200 cans of tomatoes worth

[tiny pine]

Plus I can finally cook without my mom breathing down my neck like a hawk

[lusty horizon]

agh

yeah that's relatable lmao

I rarely do anything when I'm with her

[tiny pine]

Wait lemme snag a picture of my camera

[lusty horizon]

mostly because she's always on my ass

[hard pendant]

having a quiet kitchen is a great feeling

[lusty horizon]

a picture of a thing that gets pictures

inception

[tiny pine]

Yes

[patent forum]

no

[tiny pine]

What should I make for dinner btw

Curry, noodles, or French fries

[coral prawn]

thb food

[hard pendant]

curry

[lusty horizon]

curry

[coral prawn]

curry

[tiny pine]

Let's gooo

Thanks chat

[hard pendant]

fries are not a meal

[tiny pine]

But I make fries fresh from the oven

[hard pendant]

unless overworked

[tiny pine]

It's not just fries ig

[hard pendant]

fries ft. pile of seasoned stuff

[sacred stratus]

Hi ghostie

[tiny pine]

The box is kinda reflective but eh it's fine

Also hi Frosty

[sacred stratus]

How are you?

[tiny pine]

I'm good

Abt to make curry

But I need to defrost the beef first

[sacred stratus]

Ah delicious

I’ll frost it again

[tiny pine]

I'll bite ur knees

[prisma meteor]

are there any yellow dogs in chat

[patent forum]

no

[prisma meteor]

what's even the fucking point then

[sacred stratus]

How do you know?

[tiny pine]

Maybe

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chicory-a-colorful-tale-gif-25130954

[patent forum]

I am all knowing

[sacred stratus]

Oh yeah? What’s my name?

[patent forum]

Frostyyy

[grand ferry]

samuel

[sacred stratus]

That’s not my real name

[patent forum]

yes it is

[sacred stratus]

No it isn’t

You are fake and a fraud

[patent forum]

nuh uh

[sacred stratus]

I on the other hand am all knowing

[patent forum]

no you're not

[sacred stratus]

I know your name

It’s Marissa

[patent forum]

then what's my deadname

[sacred stratus]

John Cena

[patent forum]

wrong

[sacred stratus]

Bcs I can’t see it

[patent forum]

implode with considerable force

[wheat sail]

Relax fellas no one has to implode around here

[patent forum]

yes they have

[sacred stratus]

Yes please

[grand ferry]

you woke up early

[wheat sail]

Yes and I'm not happy about it

[patent forum]

I woke up 💔

[wheat sail]

☠️

[coral prawn]

dont wake up people

[wheat sail]

Ok goodnight

[coral prawn]

nighty night

[wheat sail]

Mimimi

[patent forum]

honk shoe

[wheat sail]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7LwP68JN0O4JaR0UcD9WFc?si=L_W4BwY-SpC7K39_flHFrA shall listen to this sleeping

[inland ravine]

heya everyone

[coral prawn]

[inland ravine]

corn

[patent forum]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[inland ravine]

mari ;3

[sacred stratus]

Gwnj what’s the point of this moon?

[patent forum]

frisky

[inland ravine]

hello caine, i love you

[patent forum]

😳

[sacred stratus]

Me when I see an ableist online (I’m a caineist)

[patent forum]

unableist

[sacred stratus]

It’s a bible reference

[patent forum]

unn ableist

[inland ravine]

:0

[sacred stratus]

In the bible Caine hits Able with a rock until he dies

[patent forum]

moon with no noon

noon with no moon

looks to the moon

[sacred stratus]

Noom with no boom

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-moon-gif-10973131198585528214

[patent forum]

gru with no hue

[sacred stratus]

Gru with no brew

[patent forum]

grew

[sacred stratus]

Gru grew brew

[patent forum]

moonshine

[sacred stratus]

From the Witcher books

[inland ravine]

[patent forum]

nosk with no disguise

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/hilda-hilda-netflix-ur-mom-your-mom-your-mum-gif-23798087

[wheat sail]

Brim

[velvet sentinel]

im back home finally

[inland ravine]

hi quin and kirb

MARI PUT THE LESBIAN FLAG

[patent forum]

kuin and qirb

[patent forum]

indeed

[wheat sail]

Hi gwnj againe

[patent forum]

mo with noon

@inland ravine mo with noon

[inland ravine]

mo with noon

[patent forum]

mo with noon

[inland ravine]

after with no noon

[patent forum]

high with no noon

noon with no weed (can't get high)

[inland ravine]

it's high noon

[patent forum]

yehaw

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-cree-do-you-have-the-time-high-noon-triggered-time-gif-15737410

[patent forum]

no way

is that tf2

[inland ravine]

nope taht's overwatch 😭

[patent forum]

no way

[inland ravine]

guess my favorite overwatch character

[coral prawn]

if its not rainheart you are wrong

[inland ravine]

sweating uh......

n-nope....

i'm wrong

[sacred stratus]

Didn’t know you knew about Overwatch characters

[grand ferry]

thats the robot pants guy

[sacred stratus]

Not that I ever played overwatch but some of them are well known

[inland ravine]

:0

[grand ferry]

from the piemation funny

[coral prawn]

i mean favorits are just a opinion anyways

[inland ravine]

oh :0

[sacred stratus]

There are no opinions online. Only facts. My facts

[coral prawn]

and your facts are?

[sacred stratus]

That I’m always right

[inland ravine]

Good for you

[grand ferry]

how far right

[sacred stratus]

I’m left handed

[cerulean sable]

i have updated the hype phase, i will assume most people are at grotto and coral so the colors kinda blend more

[grand ferry]

where is the doubter phase

[cerulean sable]

bonebottom does not even deserve you

but i guess its the closest to

"ehhh im not expecting shit at all"

[coral prawn]

i wana play skul but stupid school is being stupid

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/blelele-cat-lick-gif-13137964

[coral prawn]

[inland ravine]

The void is licking you and wishing school not to be stupid

[coral prawn]

my teacher is not even here

[patent forum]

that is not the void that is a car

[inland ravine]

Vroom

[patent forum]

car as in cat fyi

[wheat sail]

@cerulean sable 💀

[inland ravine]

😭

[coral prawn]

why are you @ mods

[patent forum]

I'ma be real I will never see the skull emoji as representing something being funny

[wheat sail]

That was an accident idk blame mobile

[patent forum]

@wheat sail

[inland ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-waddle-dee-gif-25667924

[cerulean sable]

i expecting to ban someone for being underaged

[inland ravine]

Kirb is getting a massage

[patent forum]

noooooo dont eat him

[cerulean sable]

but if thats the case half of you wouldve been gone

[coral prawn]

im legally alowd to be here

[grand ferry]

funny skill tree

[wanton eagle]

I'm so excited for bonebottom

[wheat sail]

What's this for

[cerulean sable]

bonebottom listening hours

[wanton eagle]

Like literally that could be my fav area from the track

[grand ferry]

boredomlands on the moon elpis

[wanton eagle]

I hope they take their time on it.

[inland ravine]

KraK

[patent forum]

crack

[wanton eagle]

D I D Y O U J U S T?

TYPED MY NAME WRONG??????????!

[patent forum]

klark

[wanton eagle]

[patent forum]

tapu koko

[grand ferry]

hello tapu bulu

[wanton eagle]

WHY THIS PEOPLE ALWAYS MISTAKE ON MY PFP AND MY NAME?!!

[inland ravine]

I was gone and what happened

[wanton eagle]

These* Lol

[patent forum]

hi ! K ✨ 👑

[sinful flare]

IS THAT ! K ✨ 👑

[wanton eagle]

listen to this yall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMVWt8LtMek&ab_channel=GordoRamsei

[unkempt agate]

Screw it, who wants to watch the entire 1986 transformers movie https://youtu.be/3RNzyYurjHg?si=yoLI7TacgY47CCc9

[patent forum]

transgenders 1986

[charred pulsar]

Bonebottom appreciators

[patent forum]

lemmon

[wanton eagle]

Thanks, Simo

[coral prawn]

i cant wait to bonebottom

[inland ravine]

unbottom your bone

[unkempt agate]

Hi simo

[coral prawn]

no my bottom

[unkempt agate]

Can I become a voice channel moderator

[inland ravine]

Wait that exists?

[pastel whale]

Do you have a voice?

[unkempt agate]

I want to clean that horrible place up

[cerulean sable]

my only wish is they dont go overdramatic with everything, tho im not expecting it cuz so far Deep Docks is just ambient droning

the good thing is Larkin knows when to make music and when to just do ambience, cuz if every fucking area is orchestral, then it stops being special. Hell it can be irritating

[unkempt agate]

Uh......

I don't know what to say

[cerulean sable]

My main example is Ender Lilies, it has a very beautiful orchestral soundtrack

but goddamn, it plays these orchestral music on EVERY area

with some looping as short as a minute and a half

on an ambient OST that looping isnt bad, but it was definitely noticeable

[unkempt agate]

I have a voice, but I will not use it to cry suffering

[pastel whale]

One must have a voice to moderate voice channel

[cerulean sable]

but ofc, going back to my main point, most of the OST stopped being special to me because of how overused it is despite how well made they were

[coral prawn]

you also must be fluent in every language

[cerulean sable]

CoT wouldnt be special if Waterways, Crossroad and Fungal's soundtrack was trying too hard to be epic and sad

[unkempt agate]

Or I could just ban non English speakers /j

[coral prawn]

i mean it is a english only server

[unkempt agate]

Ok

No longer /j

I am now /srs

[charred pulsar]

CoT, more like, Go(a)T

[cerulean sable]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4FEQgKudL713jO1e6mIBI6?si=4dbccbdaab2c4583
https://open.spotify.com/track/3s7aB1m5kBSv1g6zKisyrM?si=f4d906de40184518
https://open.spotify.com/track/3YBPHxRQAGgbaUf2CBIerY?si=e05e8e5cd07a4471
https://open.spotify.com/track/74RSUw8eUKwRiV9F7mbetH?si=9fd8f08b8b5d451b

[short trout]

so true simo

[coral prawn]

simo you are the goat

[short trout]

i should play ender lilies

[cerulean sable]

for example these 4 tracks are nice, but i think they play on 4 closely connected areas

[short trout]

i have it but i havent done anything in it

[unkempt agate]

Simo is so true

[cerulean sable]

i know it sounds petty, but sometimes you just need to shut up and just let ambience carry the area and atmosphere

[coral prawn]

simo is our lord and savior

[pastel whale]

Never heard of this so called Simo

[coral prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-it-shush-shut-your-mouth-gif-26635232

[short trout]

imo some areas work so much better with just ambience rather than an actual song to play along with it

[inland ravine]

Are we praying Simo?

[pastel whale]

EXCUSE ME

[unkempt agate]

simo deserves nothing but praise

[cerulean sable]

yeah, and a big thing is how it REALLY accentuates the parts that has a full ost playing

[coral prawn]

sorry i just wanted to use the gif

[pastel whale]

The mayonnaise?

[cerulean sable]

City of Tears was special but it wouldnt be as much if Fungal was overproduced with an epic orchestral sweeping OST... for a fucking mushroom wasteland

[pastel whale]

[short trout]

kingdoms edge is a good example for this , it had a simple ambience thst fits it perfectly. its not a full in orchestral track, its simple and it fits it perfectly

[cerulean sable]

i trust Larkin, Deep Docks was pretty much just droning/echoey ambience

yeah yeah

you dont have to always make it ambient, but just not too, overpowering

[wanton eagle]

Well, Larkin is really a great composer. And I just noticed now that all the banger music for bosses are not sad like Dream/ Decisive battle, Grimm?
On the other hand, the areas like City of Tears and Crystal Peak are sad? Like what I could not think of an area theme that hits hard the rest are just chill or no music.

[cerulean sable]

Kingdoms Edge fit the mood well, it was serene and quiet, let the music accompany you throughout the area, not lead or yank you by overpowering you

[short trout]

CoT is so special not only because of the soundtrack, but because its something thats completely different from what we have seen so far, passing over the abandoned crossroads, greenpath, and the fungal wastes, and it honestly feels more alive than anything else and the track fits that

[wanton eagle]

Well the entrance for Kingdom Edge feels a little bit sad.

Although it'a still great.

[cerulean sable]

for me i had 0 expectations from the game, so i was expecting it would be massive caverns and caverns but seeing this whole city?
holy shit, it was like, i was witnessing something people hasnt seen before

[young saffron]

Song discussion

[cerulean sable]

i think thats a big part of what also made HK feel special, it feels like YOURE discovering this entire vast system on your own

[young saffron]

For some reason fungal waste hit me really hard

It's just this calm and light area (ignore mantises)

[young saffron]

Isn't this a common trait of all metroidvanias?

[cerulean sable]

"add more directions here and there" be damned, unlike most games with semi linear exploration, HK managed to make you feel like you EARNED in seeing this city just by being curious enough

[short trout]

yeah it honestly is , it does its job perfectly

i dont think id change anything about kingdoms edge theme, and its one of my favorites because it fits kingdoms edge so perfectly, and it also GENUINELY sounds good

[cerulean sable]

HK often gets criticized for not hand holding you enough

like, even for some metroidvania fans

[short trout]

oh whoops i didnt reply to what i meant to reply to

[cerulean sable]

ie "Oh i played tons of metroidvanias, but HK just sucked cuz it didnt guide you at all and you spent hours wandering getting to nothing"

[young saffron]

That's what ign guides are for

[cerulean sable]

which i can get the frustration but man, the confusion feeling added to why it felt special ONCE you did find it, its like YOU earned it by yourself, by your sheer curiosity

going to mention new vegas cuz i liked how kinda meta it went with the quest markers:

"That thing on your wrist - it's a convenience. It tells you where to go, what to do, dulls your brain. It may have helped you find the Sierra Madre broadcast, but it's just as much a crutch today as it was in the Old World."

[frigid karma]

i mean, you aren't going to put like the most intense battle song for when you're just walking, nor would you want chill beats in a boxing match y'know

[short trout]

every aspect of cot works together to just make it so good, the art, the music, and the world building too

[placid ether]

My favorite area has to be Kingdom's Edge, but I don't know how to explain why

There's like a feeling of wildness, of delimitation

[cerulean sable]

YES YES

its basically the city outskirt

[short trout]

snowy areas hit different imo

[cerulean sable]

its what im actually hoping for Silksong

[manic abyss]

different is, people actually live in the outskirts of cities

[cerulean sable]

while Silksong is alive per se, it has plenty of "wilderness" area thats away from civilization

[young saffron]

That area where the wind keeps pushing you back was peak

[cerulean sable]

Oro

[young saffron]

I was hoping so badly for something to be at the end of all that wind :(

[manic abyss]

who?

[placid ether]

I spent so much time wondering how it would be if you could leave the Kingdom's Edge tent

[frigid karma]

there is a whole ass fight club coliseum there

[manic abyss]

Hollow Knight 3D when?

[placid ether]

Do you feel like Kingdom's Edge was mostly abandoned because it had the Wyrm's corpse?

[wanton eagle]

I agree no chill beats in boxing match, but when you are walking you can have something funky not "sad always" like for an example (sunburn island) theme, I still think they will just go with some normal sounds in some areas bells and or winds similar to cliffs, waterways or abyss etc...

[placid ether]

So the Pale King didn't want to expand towards his own corpse

[cerulean sable]

i dont always agree with Anderson's critique but this is the biggest mood in his review
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxrDDCokW2ZLj1SPXuE3mEkofYr8Jo_BTI?si=2N5FQh7BKBGc0rVx

[placid ether]

Yes, I think Silksong will have way more civilizations than HK but they will be more centralized. Outside of towns there will be a strong feeling of wilderness and solitude. It will enhace Hornet's hunting nature.

[short trout]

this is so right

hk's world is one of the best that i have seen in any game, and everything that he said in that clip i completely agree with, i always ended up wanting more

[frigid karma]

the thing is that area abiance music has to fit the area, and i can't really think of any areas that are alive in a way that fits an energetic song. hallownest is the ruined corpse of a kingdom that fell to a mental plague of it's own doing, it's a pretty sad place in general.

[manic abyss]

since when did Hornet have a hunting nature?

[coral prawn]

she is a spider

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah, like sure SS is more alive than HK relatively, BUT in terms of population density, theyll probably populate less than 25% of the map with the rest being more outside/wilderness-eey in nature

[frigid karma]

when she fights you

[placid ether]

I feel like her character behaves like a hunter. Also tools.

[cerulean sable]

isnt the entire theme of of Hornet is shes a hunter

[manic abyss]

the platforming section in Greenpath tho

[cerulean sable]

pretty sure her title is "Princess Hunter"

[frigid karma]

that shit was stressful ok the battle music fits

[placid ether]

Didn't the Hunter's Journal wonder if Hornet was actually a "hunter"?

[manic abyss]

dang she hunts princesses too?

[frigid karma]

i mean she hunts lace y'know

[manic abyss]

since when was Lace a princess?

[cerulean sable]

pretty sure theyve used the word Hunt/Hunter to describe Hornet so many times that ive already lost count

[placid ether]

You are kinda lost on lore?

[frigid karma]

since they started datinh

[charred pulsar]

Yeah; I don't agree with all of his views in the video, but this clip is such a good summary of the experience

[cerulean sable]

her entire character is supposed to be the kinda "Knight and Hunter... thats also a princess" vibe

[manic abyss]

I used to know the entire lore, but then I stopped playing hk so I think I've forgotten a few things

[coral prawn]

imagen forgeting the hk lore

[frigid karma]

i got more of a "last survivor and only living legacy of hallownest" vibe than a princess vibe tbh

[coral prawn]

i dont think i can even if i tired

[manic abyss]

imagen forgeting grammar
/j

[placid ether]

I also think the Tool System is heavily inspired by hunting equipment and the Crest System will show different behaviors for Hornet to hunt

[cerulean sable]

tbf being the "last heir of a dead kingdom" is pretty fucking metal

[unkempt agate]

Chat, be the reason someone gets up in the morning

[cerulean sable]

and technically she is the princess of hallownest

the fucking song title "Daugther of Hallownest" also fucking goes hard

[coral prawn]

but every one i know hates me/j

[manic abyss]

no, I think I'll kill someone instead

[unkempt agate]

Make that the reason they get up

[short trout]

where is this from ?

[coral prawn]

be the reason someone goes to sleep

[cerulean sable]

for me its like, the entire fucking kingdom or wtv remains it is is carried by her just by simply still existing as its sole heir/protector

[unkempt agate]

Exactly! Make them fear for their life being taken by your hands! That'll get them moving every morning

[cerulean sable]

Edge Magazine

[short trout]

thanks

[cerulean sable]

specifically page 52

[frigid karma]

shrue but it's less like "shes royalty like a princess" and more like "she inherited the ashes of a dead kingdom."

[cerulean sable]

princess hunter is like

being both an engineer and a doctor

theyd have to call you sr dr engineer or some shit

[frigid karma]

like less royalty vibe and more survivor scavenger sorta thing

[cerulean sable]

thats fair

but even more metal

[coral prawn]

PhD in having PhDs

[placid ether]

H U N T

[frigid karma]

also i'm also realizing that by birthright hornet is the current queen of hallownest

[cerulean sable]

i actually hope they keep the tagline
"Hunt your captors. Find your song. Save a haunted land"

its kinda like Half Lifes "Run. Think. Shoot. Live"

[charred pulsar]

Are you a hunter, a survivor, or a vanquisher?

[unkempt agate]

I'm just gay

[wanton eagle]

[frigid karma]

even better imo

[wanton eagle]

Vanquish

[placid ether]

Hmmm, you made me think of something. What if all of these are crests? Hunting crest, Survivor crest, Vanquisher crest.

Probably a stretch :)

[unkempt agate]

https://youtu.be/7rO_yBK7Rsg?si=Hy1qqzE_VJA7r9GB MAKE HIM PAY

HE ALREADY HAS TO EAT 230 THOUSAND PICKLES

[frigid karma]

he'll have to eat one more

(i'm sayign i liked the vid)

[placid ether]

his channel is full of these and, let me guess, he ends up doing none of these challenges

[cerulean sable]

I hope crests all scale tbh

If it was like a raw upgrade then its fair if youre gonna tier crests

[vale temple]

I hope crests are scrapped, charms were definitely more balanced

[placid ether]

I think the scaling will be tied to slots and techniques

[unkempt agate]

Oh

[charred pulsar]

What you mean by scale taco?

[unkempt agate]

Chat, dislike this man's video, he is a fraud

[cerulean sable]

but imo not tiering them and making them sidegrades are for the best cuz

1. theyre all going to be moveset defining so TC shouldnt dictate how you should play
2. That means regardless of how you progress, finding a crest isnt obsolete

[cerulean sable]

they should act like all viable sidegrades

[charred pulsar]

Yeah gotcha, thanks

[cerulean sable]

not "oh this crest is a tier 1 crest, but you should get rid of it once you get a tier 2 crest unless you really like the moveset. BUT the damage overall make it worst for you"

[placid ether]

What we know about crests:

1. They influence the tools you can equip.
2. They change Hornet's moveset

Am I missing something?

[cerulean sable]

i hate games where i find a perfectly good gun, i level up a bit, now the gun i had is fucking useless despite me preferring the mechanics of it because the game has made enemies a lot harder to kill by scaling them,

So now, to make sure i dont lag behind in damage, i have to leave my PURPLE RARITY: SWORD OF THE UNFAITHFUL AND THE DAMNED (Made by Satan himself) to pick up a random grey rarity drop because the damage scaling is twice than your purple sword

[frigid karma]

irrc crests are different movesets so while there will obviously be like, meta or top picks i don't think they'll be direct upgrades to each other

[placid ether]

That's why I want TC to force us into some crests for certain things

[cerulean sable]

i think Division 2 is the worst example of this, i get a purple light machine gun that i should get rid off after levelling twice, because the regular basic grey rarity SMG does mroe fucking damage

[placid ether]

Like, you can't acces this boss unless you have the X crest equipped

[cerulean sable]

id rather have 5-7 crests that are all viable

than they are to force you in a playstyle tbh

play expression is a huge thing for replayability too

"oh i should finish this game using this crest only or that"

but if its going to railroad you then honestly it not only kill replayability but also be a middle finger for trying to express yourself

preventing people from experimenting will just be a detriment to your game

[frigid karma]

me personally, I HATE METAGAMES I HATE WHEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR PLAYSTYLE OR WEAPONS FROM WHAT YOU PREFER TO WHAT THE GAME WANTS YOU TO DO

like when movesets are direct upgrades for each other and you have to abandon the one you like for the one that has better stats it stings man

[cerulean sable]

pretty much

[grand ferry]

MONKEY PYRO MONKEY PYRO MONKEY PYRO

[cerulean sable]

like, imagine in an RPG trying to roleplay has this type of character

then halfway youre build beconmes invaldated as the game nudges you to instead use these gameplay altering abilities that youre not used to"

sure you can argue Silksong isnt an RPG, but charms for example were still a massive facet of player expression

you werent forced to used hiveblood in white palace, or shaman stone for watcher knights, or spore for lost kin

will you have an easier time? yeah? but the game doesnt have to hardwire to you use those charms

the only thing im fine with changing up is probably tools, but more so as they serve as a purpose to adapt to their environments or bridge gaps that your crest/you personally have trouble with

[charred pulsar]

(Unrelated, but good ss discussion like this makes me excited for launch day and post launch convos etc.)

[formal karma]

That rising magma room tho

[cerulean sable]

but even then i dont think TC will tell you "oh tons of breakable corrals that can damage you? you use the sawblade tool to get rid of those BUT you dont have to"

the only exception to the forced crests would be a Path of Pain equivalent, im fine if the greatest platforming challenge requires you to use all your crests in different challenge segments suited for those crests, not only to gate people from accessing it too early, but also as a legitimate test if youve mastered all your movesets

[formal karma]

I keep forgetting about the rising magma room and then keep reremembering. Feels good

[cerulean sable]

either december or february

[formal karma]

Or January or March....

[frigid karma]

i mean it's only natural a fully optimized metagame will come up in a game but the entire point of balance is that no one playstyle is useless. every playstyle should be useful and viable, otherwise what was even the point of adding them. thw ewakest build should stand a change against the strongest, etc.

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

metas will have metas

[frigid karma]

TGA! TGA! TGA! TGA!

[cerulean sable]

just dont force me to use those over what i prefer

the way i see it
tools SHOULD be swapped (though not required) as they are going to cover any gaps in your playstyle especially ranged

or make an area easier either through utility or damage type

skills can be more of your ace in the sleeve as a DPS utility while crests should be useable regardless of what area youre in

[vale temple]

why? you don't talk with the other testers?

[cerulean sable]

so all together Hornet's kit would be like

Crests = Dictates your core playstyle both in combat and moveset
Charge Attacks/Nail Arts = Slower burst melee damage
Skill = Higher risk (cause your using Silk to cast it, which is how you heal) but faster offense / defensive option
Tools = Covers your ranged damage or utility weakness

[full rune]

New location = West Berryier

[frigid karma]

i've seen skills as more special moves/supers. sorta like the ashes of war in elden ring in a way. tools on the other hand are consumables that do... something. a fancy attack, a buff like the lifeblood syringe, anything really

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah, which is what i meant by tools being more utility

[brittle garnet]

Damn it I missed discussion

[cerulean sable]

you cant spam them as much nor are they as strong as skills in term of damage, but they act as a good "i dont wanna risk myself right now, so ill use these limited items to deal with the current situation"

without ofc the added issue of you never using item x or y because unless the 7th seal of heaven breaks, youre not fucking using it cuz what if its one of a kind?

but yeah im not saying the game should require to use all these facets of Hornet's kit, just that they should all have their own places where they excel and incentivize you using them

[wanton eagle]

X

[cerulean sable]

you know, avoid the "why the fuck would i use this ability/class/skill/feature wtv when i can just do the minimum effort of stabbing people like normal"

[brittle garnet]

Yeah

[frigid karma]

honestly one thing that worries me about tools is a problem i had in elden ring where it's like: man, darts and pots are cool, but i cannot be bothered to look for the materials so i'll just go without em

[cerulean sable]

imagine if theres a game where the wizard class, in order to do decent damage, must perform multiple incantations with their staffs, drink specific potions depending on the environment to gain more mana from their surrounding, then on top of that must stand still while performing the incantation to cast a decently damaging spell, or they can just use their equipped sword to kill the enemy in half the time it takes to do all that bullshit

[prisma meteor]

hey ladies whats good

[frigid karma]

i never crafted or used a pot, not once despite how useful the are (esp frost pot on malenia) because I just didn't wanna grind when i could have fun and fight

[cerulean sable]

as long as the shard economy is balanced

imo im not an expert with the mathematics here

but i think shards shouldnt scale by area

like, the a shard rock should give you the same amount of shard as it does in first area vs the last one

[frigid karma]

actual silksong disc believe it or not

[prisma meteor]

tell them to stop

we should talk about chicory....

[frigid karma]

what's that

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chicory-a-colorful-tale-paint-chicory-paintdog-cute-gif-25025699

[cerulean sable]

so it becomes this linear economy, then they can scale tools according to that

ie this tool costs 40 shards to repair, while this one tool wont need to cost like, 300 per shard to repair

[prisma meteor]

video game about a little shy dog who gets a magic paintbrush that she probably shouldnt have

[cerulean sable]

kinda like how games scale the economy for late game weapons, a regular pistol is like 100 caps, but a sniper rifle is like 6000

i mean it makes sense for those games cuz the weapon scales their damage, but you get what i mean if they avoid a tiered tool situation, a tool you get in the late game will cost equally close to the first tool you get to repair

[cerulean sable]

we still are, before it gets derailed

[brittle garnet]

I feel like some tools will definitely be more costly to replenish

[frigid karma]

maybe it will be like botw where sure, there are good high level arrows, but they are expensive to get so you're probably gonna be using normal arrow all the way till endgame (assuming the economy is good)

[brittle garnet]

Particularly the ones with fewer uses

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah thats what i think as well

but you wont get a Better™️ Throwing Pin that has the same amount of uses but costs 60 more shards to repair vs the starting pin you get

its like closer to like getting a new weapon in Dark Souls

[brittle garnet]

Idk tho, especially because of the whole tool upgrades thing

[frigid karma]

like get 50 normal tool or 20 upgraded tool for 500 shards

[cerulean sable]

yeah limited tools cost more to repair and you can carry less of them

but theyre more stronger (pimpillos or the sawblade etc)

oh yeah

they did mention theyre gonna have tool upgrades

honestly i dont mind

but again going back to the crest arguement, id rather have a smaller number of tools if all them are viable, also it produces less bloat

[brittle garnet]

Yeah

[frigid karma]

true, a lot of games just have too many playstyles and just get kinda bloated and they always get destroyed by metagame

(smash bros ultimate can actually be described like this with how a lotta characters are left in the dust)

but i know nothing about smash so ignore that

[brittle garnet]

That's different because it's a competitive game

[frigid karma]

true but what i mean is i'd rather have 10 movesets that are all viable than 50+ but not really only 3 are meta and useful

[brittle garnet]

Yeah of course

[cerulean sable]

some of my petpeeves in video game mods is how they tend to add 200 different more weapons for MOAR VARIETY but they barely differ

Battle Brothers has my favorite weapon progression because each category has their own tiered weapons ie for polearms you have:
Pitchforks > Warfork/Spetum/Hooked Blades > Pikes/Billhook (these are the obvious straight upgrades from the previous one)

BUT while each of them in their tier has those miniscule bonus (ie Warfork does more HP damage but at less armor penetration vs the other 2, or the other one costs less fatigue to use), their main differences is they have different 2ndary abilities. Hooked Blades have a higher chance to hit heads and can pull people towards them, Warforks can push people back a tile, Spetums can spear wall which allows them to deny area etc

But you have mods that just add 40 different new weapons and... therye basically "same item but minor stat differences"

New Vegas and Stalker mods also suffers the same issue with them adding 2384792 weapon variety though im more forgiving as theyre less number crunching games, and more of pick your flavor that looks cool, but you get me?

in a tighter designed game like Silksong tho, id definitely prefer quality over quantity

[coral prawn]

[placid ether]

Games like DOOM or Dead Space are goated in these aspects. They add weapons but the players decides which weapon will be the most useful by focusing on upgrading that one. Also each weapon has a target enemy in mind so that each can result helpful in certain scenarios.

[cerulean sable]

kinda off but i heard once you go javelin in dead space, you never go back

but yeah, theyre like what, 6-8 weapons at most?

but theyre a lot more customizable

[placid ether]

More than enough

It's like Hades weapons. As long as each one has a different playstyle there are enough.

No need to add 10 more weapons for more content.

In my opinion charms in Hollow Knight are poorly executed

Fun charms are easily overperformed by boring pure stat buffs

[versed pollen]

Charms are being insulted, I'm here to join in

[cerulean sable]

i remember in Stalker, theres the AKS74U which is a carbine AK that has shittier range but higher firerate and close range damage vs the AK or the modernized variants

then i installed a mod and not even past the 1st mission, i already found like 5-6 different AK variants

(those 2 black aks are the top and bottom are different AKs btw)

and i had to look up for this image cuz its old af

[frigid karma]

admittedly some weapons are legit just reskins with a practically nothing damage difference but i like video game fashion. i'll take reskin weapons sometimes as long as they all look different enough to warrant a reskin and it doesn't get out of hand and there are 50 samey variants of the same sword

[cerulean sable]

but yeah this is my petpeeve with some of these mods, i guess its authentic to find these much variants? but the less is more arguement definitely does exist

[cerulean sable]

yeah im not saying theyre bad

[smoky lichen]

hi

[cerulean sable]

sometimes i actually prefer them, like im going through new vegas and theres like M4 variants that im choosing wtv i fancy

[frigid karma]

like "just a sword" isn't enough it needs a whole different color scheme and vibe to warrant a reskin imo

[placid ether]

Monster Hunter has been suffering from a similar thing as recent games people only play meta builds with raw damage weapons. This means every player is using the same shit and the fun factor of building your own set is gone.

[cerulean sable]

BUT in the arguement for tighter designed games, even having 8-12 varieties is more than enough if each of them are modular/upgradeable enough

[versed pollen]

Wouldn't having variants of a weapon with little changes essentially just accomplish the same thing as a weapon skin

[frigid karma]

also that only applies to games with customizable characters there should be no reskins in silksong or whatever where you can't change the sprites

[cerulean sable]

im only relating this to Silksong atm cuz id rather each tool have their own specific strengths instead of
"this tool does aoe damage, this tool just bounces off the wall, this tool creates spik-"
"whats the point of making spike traps when i can just throw a grenade at them?"

i mean ofc i cant assume cuz, we dont know what levers of balance they have, but thats just my concerns of adding tools for the sake of having variety, and HK is not really a game fit for that

my personal take tho, tools arent just going to be purely damage either

weve already seen the sting shard applicable in a platforming context

[frigid karma]

chances are the tools will end up like charms where there are 50 of them, yes, but people only really talk about ten

[cerulean sable]

thats my concern yeah

[placid ether]

You also have to understand that variety leads to people finding their own setup around equipment they feel comfortable with

[cerulean sable]

hence id rather have 15 combat tools than a situation like that

[frigid karma]

variety is good i agree but sometimes the variety is just like 3% more damage and like, why

[versed pollen]

If they scale with progression and have balance changes added to them long after launch I can see more of them being used

[frigid karma]

or they just straight up aren't as useful

[cerulean sable]

ofc player expression is more important in the end, but some people will optimize the game which is why id rather have fewer tools because it means itll be easier to create redundant tools, and make them all equally (or at least close to) being all viable

[brittle garnet]

I think the active tools will likely be an ease of use vs. cool factor thing

[placid ether]

If we did a Gauss Distribution on different tools usages most of us would end up using the best 10 tools but some people might be playing a totally different one thanks to variety

[versed pollen]

Charms were poorly balanced and almost never edited after release

[brittle garnet]

Also i imagine tools will be switched to help out with certain bossfights

[placid ether]

Charms should have been pure actual fun effects, not stat buffs

[cerulean sable]

imo, regardless of if its temporary or not, damage scaling, range, attack speed should all be tied to the crest

no more "this tool increases your range" etc

[placid ether]

I would like if they added a weakness mechanic to the game, where certain enemies were weaker to some particular tools and you had to discover it through the playthrough

[frigid karma]

like ttaco said why do all this cool shit when throwing a grenade at them is that much more efficient?

[cerulean sable]

this also creates a cool environment where each crests has their own areas they excel at

[bright frost]

Heavy Blow: You need one less hit to stagger bosses in the godmaster update!

[placid ether]

At least we know crests will limit the amount of tools of each type you will be able to equip. So we will be forced to run dmg and utility most of the time.

[frigid karma]

like there is so much variety in charms but you know your ass is only using strength, mop and quick slash

[bright frost]

Like, there's a reason why certain charms will always be top 5 or bottom 5 in tier lists

[brittle garnet]

Hot take i think all crests will have the same tool slots

[cerulean sable]

at the end of the day there WILL be a meta tool, nothing avoiding that, and a lot of players will optimize it as much as they can given the chance

but the important thing is that while theres going to be a top rated tool regardless, at the very least each tool is close enough where it doesnt really matter if you dont follow the meta

[versed pollen]

If there's a meta tool, make it as hard as possible to use

[frigid karma]

yeah good game balance means the bottom tier can consistently beat the top tier at least like, 30% of the time imo

[brittle garnet]

I don't think there will be a meta red tool on the account of them being limited

[cerulean sable]

as long as the setup/effort it takes for you to be effective with one tool/crest just for it to be viable isnt too big vs the other meta option, then people will pick wtv they feel like helps them the most

[brittle garnet]

The most used one will just be the most straightforward one

[onyx dawn]

Silk extender meta

[versed pollen]

Why would it just be the simplest one?

[cerulean sable]

i read for example in MH World, Lance is considered statistically the weakest overall, but unless youre speedrunning + hyperoptimization, it doesnt really fucking matter and youll use the moveset that you like the most since 100% of the game is clearable with any weapon

[frigid karma]

probably because it's simplest to use

[brittle garnet]

Because of ease of use

[placid ether]

This is true but

There are some weapons with too many tools right now in MH

[frigid karma]

like, why should i learn the intricacies of one thing when this one just makes me punch gooder and i like punching

[versed pollen]

I feel like in the context of there being a meta, there are other things to optimize other than just ease of use

[brittle garnet]

Yeah

[onyx dawn]

I do find it kinda stupid in the demo how lace can like
Block your pins (unless I remembered incorrectly)
Like you only have a limited amount already but some bosses can just go “lol use a different tool”

[brittle garnet]

I think that's ok

It means you have to time your tool attacks well just like your regular attack

[marsh ibex]

I find it stupid in HK that Hornet can dodge your shade souls

[wheat sail]

I mean, that's just one way to force someone to use something else

[vale temple]

yeah why can't the boss stay put

[versed pollen]

Or they just block items all together during specific attacks and you need to avoid attacking during those windows

[frigid karma]

don't underestimate ease of use. most people prefer gorilla playstyle to whatever mental math is required for the complex ones

[wheat sail]

In pokemon, you don't use fire on water types in Mario you don't jump on a spike top goomba

[onyx dawn]

It would reward one for timing them better

[versed pollen]

In the case of meta, what most people prefer does not matter

[vale temple]

I use fire types on water

[versed pollen]

There's a reason why SShadow is one of the most popular charms and yet the challenge community rarely uses it

[wheat sail]

That's why you lose to me in showdown

[vale temple]

we never fought...

[wheat sail]

Then who tf did I play

[stark prism]

yeah cause its outclassed by sprintmaster

[wheat sail]

It is what it is

[vale temple]

kirb when I beat him in a fire vs water monotype

[wheat sail]

Not possible

[grand ferry]

did you cheat

[versed pollen]

DWielder is also considered a top tier charm in HK. And I've certainly almost never seen a casual player using DNail soul farming before

[vale temple]

I never cheat

[wheat sail]

He did and lost anyway cause I'm the goat

[bright frost]

I certainly haven't when I beaten P5 lol

[frigid karma]

i don't think anyone uses dnail in combat tbh

[versed pollen]

I do

[frigid karma]

huh

[versed pollen]

P5 Hitless has been done with it

[frigid karma]

honestly i just hit them

[bright frost]

It's a viable strategy because of how much Soul you gain from it with a single hit

[frigid karma]

which is probably why i haven't finished p5

[cerulean sable]

multiplayer but kinda related, Wrecking Ball from OW2 is my main example of this

He's my fav hero cuz his skill ceiling is fucking huge, he has plenty of techs that you need to learn and being competent is already enough for you to become a massive threat, hes one of those "if youre good, youre good with any other character, but with this specific character, you are a different beast if youre competent with them"

But heres the issue, the time investment it takes for you to make them work, just takes half the effort for someone to shut you down, ie you have to communicate with your team much more, setup your boops and positioning a lot more to become effective with him

Meanwhile all that effort you do performing techs, what you get is people asking you to change to another hero because your team needs to adjust to you when youre playing Ball. On the enemy team, all they have to do is take a hero that can press a button to CC you and you will easily just feed the enemy team

[versed pollen]

Stagger boss -> farm hilarious amounts of soul -> spell spam --> stagger -->

[torpid saffron]

QoL feature SS needs
death counter

[cerulean sable]

as a lot of players say, as fun as it can be, why bother learning all these techs when someone can easily shut you down for half the effort

[bright frost]

Have a minor character tell you the amount of deaths cuphead style

[cerulean sable]

Why master playing ball and learning map positioning, when you can just play Orisa or Roadhog, press a button and instantly kill people?

[torpid saffron]

yes

[wheat sail]

Brrr

[versed pollen]

The advantage singleplayer games have is that you have the given time and space to practice and optimize your craft

[cerulean sable]

Its one of those situations where my love for the moveset trumps the simplicity other heroes provide, BUT im not gonna lie and say its not frustrating when you need to play like your life depends on it just to be effective, while the enemy team goes "oh this ball is annoying, lets swap to a hero that can CC you every 8 seconds and literally disrupt you for the entire match"

yeah yeah again this is more of a multiplayer issue

but my point is more about how people will find the most effective tool for the least amount of effort

[versed pollen]

I think for casual players including low effort strong things is just a nice option to have

[frigid karma]

yeah. like why play and learn all the combos of character a and sweat when character b is literally gorilla playstyle needing half the stress to take off half your healthbar

[cerulean sable]

in the best case scenario, more effort = reward, but thats one of the harder things to balance

[wheat sail]

In multiplayer , that sort of thing can become broken if someone just dedicates themself to that one thing

Snipers in tf2

[frigid karma]

god i hate snipers in tf2 i be having so much fun in the arena then i get gibbed by someone outside the arena

[wheat sail]

If you cross their sights, instant 150 damage

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-sniper-medic-gif-8073458610278819810

[wheat sail]

[frigid karma]

i'm having fun in combat and suddenly i get one shot by a guy who's not even in any danger

[unkempt haven]

when is silk song coming

[frigid karma]

tomorrow

[vale temple]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[frigid karma]

TRUE

[wheat sail]

Clumsy

[cerulean sable]

me playing ball

scout ahead
use odd angles
perform multiple boop and scoot attacks to harass their squishies
race to their spawn to disrupt their respawning enemies
go back to peel off your DPS and support
all the while needing to stay aggressive to keep the momentum up, otherwise youre basically just feeding the enemy
"but hey, despite the difficulty, i can see my effort pay off and its fun sweating with this character's tech potential"

enemy team

ball is annoying
"someone swap to a character with CC please"
picks a character that either slows you down or CCs you
they CC you every 7 seconds, and now you suddenly lose half your health every encounter
you either need to play more passively or double your effort just to keep up

teammates:

"ball youre just feeding, can you swap to orisa instead"

story of my life

[wheat sail]

That's when you use gamer words

[cerulean sable]

more like thats when i fucking wall climb piledrive people

[high hedge]

Gamer word: KILL

[grand ferry]

go vacc medic to disable their class

[cerulean sable]

but no they want someone who press a button every 11 secondd to shield them

[wheat sail]

But vacc sux

[grand ferry]

its a decent alt

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isluzTC89Ug like seriously tell me being able to master these isnt fun

[grand ferry]

demoknight trimping

[cerulean sable]

but going back, the effort on an average game will just kill your motivation, when people will just tell you to swap to a hero that presses 1 button every 8 seconds

[cerulean sable]

yeah but at least in TF2 you have more individual expression

in OW2 one player makes a huge diff, so you cant reallly experiment

[wheat sail]

Thats why I don't play Overwatch or valorant

Don't pick meta , people cry

[cerulean sable]

same i uninstalled OW months ago

[wheat sail]

They don't know me shut up voices

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[frigid karma]

he's finally free...

[coarse leaf]

Ive been itching to play a multiplayer shooter for a while now, but they all either suck or are hyper competitive

[languid linden]

Unforch

[versed pollen]

Most comp games are 3D which is annoying

[wheat sail]

Battlebit seems fun

[cerulean sable]

but valo in my exp doesnt have that big of a hero selection meta as long as you can shoot heads

OW2's issue is its less mechanically demanding and more of a counter pick meta

[coarse leaf]

The last time i really played an multiplayer fps was like, man, black ops 2 iirc lmao

[high hedge]

Whats a good comp 2D game

I guess Smash Bros is comp and 2D

[wheat sail]

I still prefer like CS because you only have to worry about shooting and nades instead of abilities

[frigid karma]

fighters ig

[high hedge]

Yeah all 2D fighters

[frigid karma]

god i cannot wait to get gamepass again i wanna striiiiiive

[wheat sail]

Like I see the new valorant agent that can put you in another dimension with someone else to 1v1 them

[high hedge]

Metal gear?

[grand ferry]

do you like to spin really fast

[wheat sail]

Like riot always doing too much

[wheat sail]

VAC!

[frigid karma]

riot's problem is that they keep adding new characters to already balanced games

[wheat sail]

Riots world's finals ceremony probably way more expensive than the prize pool

And t1 just 3-0d them so yayyy league of legends

[frigid karma]

like the puzzle already fits but now you add ??? who's breaks the game bc they weren't part of the already good game

[coarse leaf]

I dont even want to imagine what playing CS2 was like close to release, must have been unreal with the cheaters

[wheat sail]

They want o keep getting players so more characters. But that just makes the game harder to balance and eventually makes it so a large chunk of characters are useless or not picked

Because eventually some characters are just better versions of others

There's only so much you can do that's unique, especially if they release multiple per year

[bright frost]

Good ole case of Quanity over Quality

[frigid karma]

quantity is good until you have to manage/balance like 500 guys and 2000 different items at the same time

[wheat sail]

Like in world's for league, almost half the champs were uncontested (no pick and no ban)

Not half actually maybe like 30-40 percent but still some large chunk

160 champions btw

[frigid karma]

At this point I'm pretty sure riot knows about the meta problem and are just adding inconsequential characters for the sake of marketing

[wheat sail]

I mean yeah probably, their money is all in marketing and skins

[unkempt agate]

I wonder what peta thinks of furries

[wheat sail]

[unkempt agate]

They're currently doing their annual "don't eat turkey" thing

[wheat sail]

TURKEYS DKNT WANT TO BE EATEN

mf no animal wants to be eaten

And animals eat other animals

[unkempt agate]

Yeah

[wheat sail]

https://tenor.com/view/sh-quiet-india-indian-tiktok-gif-16906342

silence peta

Peta employees have a turkey but inside the turkey it's just tofu instead of meat

[frigid karma]

Honestly the most meat we get are from animals that are specifically born and bred to end up in a human's stomach i am not gonna deny them their purpose

[wheat sail]

Yeah, peta would go into a chicken farm and release them all in the wild where they all die

Also peta shelters have a high kill rate

Ironic imo

[wooden schooner]

i mean it's better than cars, but that's just a bus

[placid ether]

You can only say this for competitive League, in the normal game every Champion is viable. LoL's balancing is one of the best in the industry if not the best.

Every champion has around 50% winrate

There are some outliers here and there

[prisma meteor]

the idea might be that it follows a set track while still being on the road like a tram but it doesnt use physical tracks

[wooden schooner]

that's a bus

[prisma meteor]

to give it better right of way laws and stuff

to make travel more like

deliberate

[wooden schooner]

nah just kill the car-centered architectural mindset

[frigid karma]

I can't believe it, a league player saying something good about league...

I thought it was impossible

[prisma meteor]

what are you talking about man its literally public transport....

[frigid karma]

As someone from a place where there are no trains and everything is car centric, you do not want cars

[placid ether]

It's the best game I've ever played despite it's bullshit community. I love League but hate the environment. Playing with friends is so fun.

[prisma meteor]

its also possible it could be like that one bus i cant remember the name of that doesnt NEED tracks but it can swap back and forth

[wooden schooner]

I was refering to this part
No need for right of way laws if we ditch cars and reinforce public transport

[prisma meteor]

yeah no one is saying that which is why im confused by what they said

[wooden schooner]

tldr : we shouldn't adapt public transportation to cars

we should do the opposite

[frigid karma]

Honestly i saw someone say car centric is bad and i wanted to complain FUCK CARS MAN

I vacationed somewhere with trains recently and i was actually fucking mindblown by how efficient it was.

[prisma meteor]

yes which is why im saying it would be a good thing for the public transport train bus thing to have right of way because it is prioritising non drivers

[wooden schooner]

From someone living somewhere with trains, you DO want trains and busses

[frigid karma]

Ever since then, i want trains, i need trains god i love trains

[wooden schooner]

touched by the grace of trains

[quartz cave]

TRAINS

I miss my trainb

Back in ye old days trains could fly, yall aparently need "planes" now

Honestly kinda lame

[prisma meteor]

too many darn train loving autistic people in chat

[frigid karma]

Like you're telling me i don't have to do like 39 minutes of straight teaffic? I can walk across the street? What is this witchcraft????

Trains. Trains is the witchcraft and magic behind it all. God i wish i had infrastructure

[prisma meteor]

where are the god fearing americans with their big trucks twice the height of a grown man

[quartz cave]

Wait wtf yall fr have cars n shit?

People just tp in neoland

[frigid karma]

You don't need to learn to drive, it's super cheap, barely any car accidents

Like the train was practially teleportation with how quick you could go around the city

[quartz cave]

Chat i have issues 😔

[wooden schooner]

Got a train line in my countryside, I can go to my uni in under an hour from home

[frigid karma]

And i have an unhealthy want for trains

[quartz cave]

How do yall commit to like doing something instead of going back and replaying some random game you already beat 83 times

Actually why am i asking this to HK players

[wooden schooner]

idk

[frigid karma]

Why not we're mentaly stable induviduals hahahah

[prisma meteor]

anyways my point is that we should not neuter public transport ventures because it would hurt driving but that does not mean we shouldnt design public transport using car infrastructure because like if we wanna get rid of cars might as well use it for something (while still removing and adapting a lot of it into walkable spaces and shit obviously)

[quartz cave]

Mentally stable with over 1000 hours of play in hk

[sacred stratus]

It’s fine we love you anyways

[wooden schooner]

hmmm now I get your point, and I agree with it

[quartz cave]

Help i am in an infinite infamous-lbp cycle

[coarse leaf]

I dont, as is evident by 800h of HK. Im trying to basically force myself to play whatever game i started tho( because often, once ive actually pulled the trigger and started playing, i do have fun )

[quartz cave]

Lol lmao imo hi yato

[frigid karma]

God that place i went to was magical fr there were building that were just parking lots so you don't have to park at the side of the road

[sacred stratus]

Hi Ismoil

[wooden schooner]

where tf did you go

[coarse leaf]

hi

[prisma meteor]

individual transport stuff is probably always gonna be needed so there will still be a network of roads in this ideal world, for delivery shit and whatnot but those arent really frequent enough to justify having all those roads so using them for slightly worse public transport when a train ride wouldnt really work is fine

[coarse leaf]

Wait is that not like, normal

[frigid karma]

Not here no

Only at malls

[coarse leaf]

In germany theyre "parkhäuser" and are decently common in big citys, i dont remember the english name

[prisma meteor]

parking garage

or parking structure

[coarse leaf]

Aaaah right

[quartz cave]

Trains are funky

[unkempt agate]

https://vxtwitter.com/rileypneville/status/1727527986986197021?t=1LvTLXEnsWiaI_F39Msj2Q&s=19

I NEED THIS GAME

[wooden schooner]

isopod power

[prisma meteor]

you mean this shit right?

[coarse leaf]

Exactly

[frigid karma]

Japan. One of my parents is actually as big of a weeb you can get without watching anime and they really wanted to go there and honestly, now that I've been there, i get it now.

[quartz cave]

What the hell is this i love it

[prisma meteor]

japan was pretty nice when i visited

[frigid karma]

But yeah the trip was crazy it was literally filipino gets exposed to city planning for the first time

[prisma meteor]

the public transport was very very handy but i imagine as a little kid i was probably not very quiet on the trains

i cant fully remember

[wooden schooner]

ah yes, japan has amazing train infrastructure due to the topography

because trains can go where cars can't btw

look at the yellow train we got here in France

can a car do that ????

[prisma meteor]

its not just topography its just like a good system

[frigid karma]

HE DANCES??? Goty.

[wooden schooner]

NO IT CAN'T

also yes it is a really good system but I doubt it'll be that important without how narrow japan is

[frigid karma]

Here we gotta drive a winding mountain path that sharp turns every few meters....

[prisma meteor]

what?

[wooden schooner]

by narrow I mean..... cramped ? Not car friendly ?

[prisma meteor]

theres nothing innately special about japan they just have awesome infrastructure

[wooden schooner]

searching for my words here sorry

[vivid belfry]

Hornet should have a tool where it's like cranberry sauce

[prisma meteor]

oh ok

[vivid belfry]

Happy tonky day

[shell yacht]

mmm tonky

[wooden schooner]

like you can't have big long roads like in america which can be flat in vast plains

[shell yacht]

half a tonky in the oven

[prisma meteor]

they still could have gone the direction of like london or whatever because it used to have extremely narrow streets as well so i think its more than that

[wooden schooner]

ye, tho london isn't that near to mountain ranges I guess

[prisma meteor]

i truly dont understand what your point is man

[frigid karma]

I think he's trying to say the reason japan developed such a good train system is because it's georaphy sucks for cars

[prisma meteor]

japans system could have and still should be implemented literally anywhere.....

[prisma meteor]

well sure but there are tons of other places with similar stuff that have very car centric design

[wooden schooner]

oh of course, I don't mean we should limit efficient transportation to constrained geography

[frigid karma]

Yeah but that system wouldn't have been made without a push, the geography was the push

[wooden schooner]

I didn't mean to counter your point really, just add history to point

I really remember a documentary saying trains were a way to adapt to the topography, because being a mountainous archipelago, Japan couldn't have long driveways crossing the country and car-centered systems like other countries. Most big cities there are along the shores, and they can't rely on roads that much. This alongside efficient infrastructure is what trains in Japan are so cool

[prisma meteor]

i wanna watch worlds end but my stupid computer logged me out of the streaming service its on and its too early in the morning to ask my parents for the password ☹️

[wooden schooner]

I was confusing sorry, been a long day working on homework

[prisma meteor]

is japans train network post car? i just assumed it was as old as trains were and had just been updated over the years

[unkempt agate]

If I fly to France, grab a car and go to that bridge, yes

I could drive over that bridge with a car

Probably could do it faster too

[frigid karma]

You're gonna drive along the train tracks?

[unkempt agate]

Sure

[coarse leaf]

Oh definitely

[unkempt agate]

Plus, a train can only go on the tracks, a car can go fucking everywhere

[coarse leaf]

Would also def be less safe tho lol

[prisma meteor]

it needs roads.....

[unkempt agate]

Have you ever been to Australia

[coarse leaf]

Depends on the car

[unkempt agate]

If you have, you'll know that's not true

[wheat sail]

Austria is pretty mountainous

[coarse leaf]

And where you are

[frigid karma]

Do you have an off road car?

[coarse leaf]

Nah, looks fun af tho

[prisma meteor]

i live in australia that doesnt make 2 wheel drive cars (the majority of cars) better at going offroad

[unkempt agate]

Oh, so a train can go off-road

[prisma meteor]

who said that

[frigid karma]

Exotic, like, just walk man. Go to your station and walk

[unkempt agate]

I'm saying that a car can and a train cant

[prisma meteor]

im just saying its not a point for cars because they have the same limitation

[frigid karma]

CATBUS?

[wooden schooner]

No I think it was developped before or in the same time

[prisma meteor]

both need infrastructure

[dusty nimbus]

I think they have some hella crazy truck-train things in Australia

[prisma meteor]

yeah those things are wild but sorta rare nowadays

[unkempt agate]

The only thing trains are good at is the mass transportation of goods

[frigid karma]

No

[unkempt agate]

And that is it

[coarse leaf]

No?

[frigid karma]

Trains are literally the best public transportation you can get

[unkempt agate]

Trains suck

[prisma meteor]

are you talking about road trains

[coarse leaf]

Public transport is overall pretty cool lol

[prisma meteor]

for what reason do you think that

[wheat sail]

I wish we had fast trains like in Japan and Europe here

[dusty nimbus]

Yup

[unkempt agate]

I have an agenda against trains

[frigid karma]

They're fast, cheap, don't have any traffic.

[unkempt agate]

I hate them

[prisma meteor]

trainsphobia....

[unkempt agate]

THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY ALWAYS DELAYED

[frigid karma]

Like that trip to japan changed me as a person i literally don't go a week without wishing we had trains

[coarse leaf]

So contrarian for the sake of contrarian?

[wooden schooner]

Because your government doesn't maintain the network healthy

[dusty nimbus]

Your country's train infrastructure probably is a sucky

[frigid karma]

Idk what to tell ya during my trip i never had delayed train

[coarse leaf]

Bad infrastructure

[unkempt agate]

Hey, I'm not saying all trains are bad, just most trains

[coarse leaf]

Public transport works great in places that actually put the effort in to make that happen

[frigid karma]

"i have train friends"

[prisma meteor]

a bad train is still better and more efficient than a good car but the good thing about promoting train infrastructure projects is that more and more trains will be good trains which are even better!

[frigid karma]

True

[grand ferry]

nortel trains lfg

[unkempt agate]

Trains are the reason society hasn't advanced yet

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-the-cap-cap-laugh-video-reaction-youtuber-gif-18293251

[wheat sail]

Meanwhile my city transit has to do everything extremely slowly

[unkempt agate]

Trains cause cancer

[frigid karma]

Cars are literally why my city sucks so fucking much to traverse

[wheat sail]

Politics beauracracy

Zzzz

[prisma meteor]

everyone should own an 8 foot tall pickup truck and you can just remove all the seats other than the drivers

[frigid karma]

That and thw sidewalks are narrow as shit

[dusty nimbus]

Lmao blud is next going to say they love crystals and etherial oils

[frigid karma]

I am so close to venting about how the only way to get anywhere here is car

[wheat sail]

Trains kill babies

[prisma meteor]

too loud for their small ears

[unkempt agate]

Trains caused the great depression

[prisma meteor]

kills em

[wheat sail]

No, I mean when the baby is on the track

[coarse leaf]

we are not making it out the karaoke bar with this one

[dusty nimbus]

America?

[prisma meteor]

yeah but if you or i were on the track we would stop it with one hand like with the car in twilight

[frigid karma]

Philippines

[wheat sail]

No I'd open my mouth and the whole train will go down my throat

[prisma meteor]

like wapol

[wheat sail]

Who

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/wapol-gif-18161390

[wheat sail]

Oh naruto

[prisma meteor]

yeah!

[frigid karma]

Babies are so stupid why don't they just walk off the train tracks

[unkempt agate]

Trains are extremely dangerous

[frigid karma]

Only to the weak

[unkempt agate]

100% of people who use a train have died or will die

[prisma meteor]

not me

i dont plan to die

and i use a train every day to get to scool

[unkempt agate]

I'm so sorry

That's awful

[coarse leaf]

Simply don't

[unkempt agate]

Man, I miss Rosie

[prisma meteor]

i wouldnt miss you

[dusty nimbus]

Simple solution, never be born so you'll never eventually die simple

[coarse leaf]

[dusty nimbus]

Same

[prisma meteor]

you wouldnt miss me? 🥺

[unkempt agate]

Agreed, I wouldn't miss me either

[dusty nimbus]

What?

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/turtlerat-troll-angry-hilda-gif-19650043

[dusty nimbus]

[keen blaze]

Shoot, I missed.

[dusty nimbus]

How is that possible

[keen blaze]

Well you see I was aiming on the side.
Where did I want to aim ? That doesn't matter.

[sacred stratus]

I barely know you 🥹

[prisma meteor]

i wasnt talking to you

[sacred stratus]

Yeah I got it

[keen blaze]

Playing Chicory: A Colorful Tale

[prisma meteor]

yeah its called being a hot person

[keen blaze]

I like setting stuff on fire.
Fire is pretty hot...

[prisma meteor]

name one hot person whos never played chicory

[sacred stratus]

Me

Destroyed

[keen blaze]

Nah you're cool

[dusty nimbus]

I am over 48 degrees Celsius (very hot, functionally dead)

[wheat sail]

I'm hot

[keen blaze]

And why do I get to name them ?

[prisma meteor]

if you havent played.... then.... ummm...

[dusty nimbus]

First time I've heard of Chicory tbh

[prisma meteor]

im sorry im the one who had to break it to you

[sacred stratus]

Yeah

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chicory-a-colorful-tale-gif-25130954

this is chicory

[sacred stratus]

Here is a proof: @radiant wraith do you think I’m hot?

[dusty nimbus]

Basically colouring

[frigid karma]

So it's like a coloring book app

[dusty nimbus]

Yes

[wheat sail]

It's wholesome chungus 100 game

[sacred stratus]

Thank you chaos

[digital glen]

hi

[wheat sail]

Frosty is so hot 😩

[sacred stratus]

Now where is Ian

He saw my face before

[prisma meteor]

i guess but its fun and its cute and theres a story about a sad rabbit who you gotta help out

[dusty nimbus]

He fainted at first sight

[coarse leaf]

The first time I see you in months

[prisma meteor]

shes really sad....

[wheat sail]

That's such a sad story

[prisma meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chicory-a-colorful-tale-paint-chicory-paintdog-cute-gif-25025699

[frigid karma]

Well i think you're pretty frosty

[prisma meteor]

this is the sad rabbit

[dusty nimbus]

Looks cool

[prisma meteor]

her name is chicory

[keen blaze]

I've never played Chicory and only know it because Lena Raine made cool music

[prisma meteor]

you play as a little dog named pizza (or whatever you choose to name her)

[dusty nimbus]

But probably not my kind of game

[keen blaze]

As opposed to hot.

[prisma meteor]

the music is great

thinkin about the appie foothills song....

https://youtu.be/IBDW4x6lIwU?si=lkjGB3BdjBi-EAcb

[keen blaze]

Thinking about Probably Ancient Evil.
.

[fiery burrow]

Chicory OST is her best work imo

[prisma meteor]

is that the song that plays during the boss fights or something im not familiar ...

[fiery burrow]

Thinking about Sips River

[prisma meteor]

i havent beat the game so if its later dont tell me

[fiery burrow]

The one in the|| Wielder Temple|| iirc

[prisma meteor]

oh ok

[keen blaze]

https://youtu.be/g-PhpHZ76QA

[prisma meteor]

i spent so long in there because i was making the hidden writing fancy

i heard that song probably a million times

[violet path]

Happy thank iving

[fiery burrow]

Merry Christmas

[frigid karma]

Happy new year

[keen blaze]

Thanks for posting it in DSN btw that's how I discovered it
(it was you who did that, right)

[wide quartz]

thanks cookie :D

[fiery burrow]

yeah

[prisma meteor]

this song is very celeste and kinda pigstep i didnt know she made the music until just now but i remember thinking that when i was listening to this

[wheat sail]

Celeste? The game?

[fiery burrow]

No the book silly

[wheat sail]

Thank goodness

Midleste always gets me mad 😩

[unkempt agate]

Chat....

[wheat sail]

Yeah cuh

[unkempt agate]

I'm currently eating icecream at 3am...

Have I officially hit rock bottom

[wheat sail]

I've done worse at 3am : 😏

[manic abyss]

I'm disappointed in you
I thought chefs had better lifestyles

[wheat sail]

hey daud

[unkempt agate]

Trust me, being a chef is one of the most stressful lifestyles you could have

[wheat sail]

It is it is

[manic abyss]

hbdk

[wheat sail]

Bye

[manic abyss]

bye

[wide quartz]

thanks kirb

[wheat sail]

Huhhh

[fiery burrow]

Thats not rock bottom thats mountain peak

[versed pollen]

Funny you say that

[prisma meteor]

is it?

[versed pollen]

It's used in a Celeste map

https://youtu.be/EO1ShRCNd60?t=251

It's a pretty hard Celeste map

[digital glen]

its good to see you PK, yeah
im not nearly as active as before, i barely look here anymore, life stuff and so on, but how yoire doing?

my internet sucks ass and thr message was only set now bleh

[languid linden]

Oh hey perukas

[dusty nimbus]

Lmao

Hi perukas

[young saffron]

Godzilla skill checked him

[digital glen]

hello yall

[young saffron]

My toxic trait is thinking this is easy

[digital glen]

how we're rolling

[silver laurel]

That's insane

[versed pollen]

It looks easy because you can't understand that's actually happening

[silver laurel]

Soapi

I will find you 🫵

[versed pollen]

Oh ok

What are we gonna do

[silver laurel]

uhm

Pizza

[versed pollen]

I have a Wii

[silver laurel]

Do you have Mario kart

[versed pollen]

Yes

[silver laurel]

We will

[versed pollen]

Even better I have a modded MKWii client

[versed pollen]

Basically just know that this room took me like 30 minutes and I could never even hope to beat the room I sent in that video https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822182094276395050/1109208370520543333/funny.mp4

(The first input on the moving block at the start is 2 frame perfect inputs in a row)

Or was it just one?

[manic abyss]

can I come too?

[versed pollen]

no