sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

[vale temple]

dont show this to joker

[fiery burrow]

Show this to jojoker

[manic jackal]

Well this is considering that all endings are as valid

If not then ETV is good

[opaque sigil]

no it wouldn't

[manic jackal]

Why wouldn’t it

[opaque sigil]

because it doesn't affect the narrative of hk at all

hornet's circumstances aren't really important

[manic jackal]

It quite literally does because it IS the narrative, at least part of it

[marsh ibex]

It’s already established by TC that they want the games to be separate experiences not reliant on each other

The only issue is getting Hornet to Pharloom which was already addressed

[opaque sigil]

what in hk is actually changed

nothing

[marsh ibex]

Her personality isn’t going through heavy changes because of a specific ending

[opaque sigil]

what part of hk's narrative is subverted? none

[marsh ibex]

her personality still applies after she allows us to murder her mom lol

[manic jackal]

4/5 endings explicitly end with Hornet and her well being. The narrative seems quite interested in telling her story

[wheat sail]

Isaac reference

[opaque sigil]

it acknowledges her existence that's not the same as her being vital to the conclusion

nor does it mean that that's the end of her

she's not dead in any of them

[marsh ibex]

She’s alive after dream no more, and sees what was done. Same for ETV

And again, SS was already addressed

There’s no issue

[manic jackal]

That would be even more lame lmao, but are you sure they didn’t mean it as in “you dont have to play HK to enjoy SS”

[marsh ibex]

Thet

[manic jackal]

How was Sealed Siblings addressed?

[marsh ibex]

Brug

[vale temple]

[fiery burrow]

?jokerpsa

[opaque sigil]

literally in the opening cutscene you see seal breaking in action

[silver oak]

Infinite loop

[fiery burrow]

?tag jokerpsa

[white sail]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[opaque sigil]

like tc could not more clearly have said "HEY Y'ALL SEALED SIBLINGS WORKS"

[fiery burrow]

WOOOOO BABY

[silver oak]

Well, I disagree

[marsh ibex]

They said that almost verbatim

[reef scarab]

Silksong takes place in between the hornet 1 and 2 fights

[fiery burrow]

Sorry no one listens to silkers anymore iirc

[manic jackal]

Ah makes sense, still lame though

[rapid topaz]

Silksong takes place in your dreams

[manic jackal]

Based!!!

[true vine]

these xbox nz tweets make me want to smoosh a spider

[opaque sigil]

it would be much lamer to constrain silksong by making it a prequel

[silver oak]

It’s still pretty vague and you have to make some connections

[fiery burrow]

and to retcon stuff

[true vine]

ss sequel gang

[silver oak]

But the logic is there

[manic jackal]

Prequels are not lame at all

[true vine]

yes they are

[reef scarab]

it truly means that Silksong will come out in twelve minutes

[marsh ibex]

One connection

[true vine]

you know what's going to happen already

unless there's a big twist

[fiery burrow]

go back to sleep monsters university enjoyers

[manic jackal]

I’m more a better call Saul enjoyer

[marsh ibex]

A prequel would require her staying alive and returning to Hallownest after every ending, which is infinitely less interesting than the options a sequel allows

[true vine]

I'll start a timer and you'd better hope it's out by the time it's over

[opaque sigil]

and mean constraining her moveset

[reef scarab]

it’s true the spider on my kitchen floor told me

[true vine]

and it'd mean ruining the ending

[manic jackal]

That is just straight up not true. Fiction is more than just “i wonder if this one character will be alive in the end” there are more stakes than death

[vale temple]

[true vine]

it makes it less interesting when you know what's going to happen

[silver oak]

If she dies then she is not alive anymore

[manic jackal]

This is just wrong, like straight up wrong

Have none of you guys ever watched a good prequel?

[vale temple]

have you

[silver oak]

Pretty sure being alive is a prerequisite for appearing in a sequel

[true vine]

so what if the character's like this because something tragic happened, I don't care because in the end, they're a bad person

[manic jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-loop-3d-edit-gif-24518425

[true vine]

tell you what, a prequel is good if it's something from the far, far past, and/or explaining/expanding on something vague

[manic jackal]

What are you talking about man

[marsh ibex]

Stakes are entirely lessened if she’s fine cognizant and able to do stuff in the following game

[fiery burrow]

a prequel is good if it's monsters university

[manic jackal]

No it isn’t lmao

[true vine]

but silksong can't be that, because hornet

[true vine]

yes it is

[marsh ibex]

And my previous message wasn’t even referring to stakes

it was referring to options

[true vine]

you know she, the main character, will be fine in the end, no matter how dire the situation gets

[manic jackal]

Stakes can be with other characters, or the implications of events in the first installation, or just anything else

[true vine]

sure you might get invested in other characters

[merry bridge]

guys lets just wait for the game to come out and then point and laugh

[true vine]

but you know you won't see them after the story since they aren't in hk

[marsh ibex]

There aren’t any decent options for endings because she HAS to appear in the following game

There is no room for character growth because she HAS to act like she does in HK at the end of it

[manic jackal]

Just because you know a character will be alive doesn’t mean they can’t lose anything else

[marsh ibex]

She also still has her memories, most of her abilities, and general outlook

[merry bridge]

ok like lose what

[marsh ibex]

There is little room for anything if SS is made a prequel

[true vine]

prequels are fun if they're like
Legends from an already established world

but not if it's for a character we already know well

[manic jackal]

Creativity best shines in restrictions, making a compelling narrative through this isn’t impossible or even hard lmao. I understand some ppl don’t have the creativity to think of stakes beyond “will this character be alive in the end” but i promise you there’s more to storytelling than that

[marsh ibex]

ok

[vale temple]

[merry bridge]

.

[manic jackal]

Just look at Better call Saul :)

[opaque sigil]

straw man go brrr

[marsh ibex]

Literally nothing I said was about stakes but whatever

Keep extrapolating shit I didn’t say

[manic jackal]

Something she gains in Silksong, or something she’s trying to reach in Silksong, I’m not gonna make a whole fan fiction but you get the idea

[true vine]

I'm not going to agree or disagree but all I'll say is that when I'm reading a book I tend to almost fall asleep during tense prequel scenes because I know the character I'm following will be alive afterwards anyway, and I don't really care about the side characters because they're not in the main story so I've sort of accepted they'll die or go away or something

[merry bridge]

unless that something is her losing the ability to become a god I cant think of any stakes for a prequel

[opaque sigil]

prequels can be fine but it makes no sense at all in the context of ss

[manic jackal]

If you are disinterested then the author simply failed to create stakes and tension you care about

[opaque sigil]

and would actually require retconning shit and harming hornet's character in hk

[manic jackal]

That’s a Skill issue on your part

[vale temple]

just admit that you're wrong

[manic jackal]

Why would it make no sense? Cause of her moveset?

[merry bridge]

says the one that couldnt even give me a proper example of what hornet would have to lose if the game is a prequel

[true vine]

admittedly I've read a few good prequels, but they're all basically the most messed up, tragic shit ever, making me more invested in a character but I'm not terribly confident a 10+ rated game can accomplish that type of storytelling

[vale temple]

were you not reading chat

[merry bridge]

I did that for you

so if anything its your skill issue

[opaque sigil]

moveset, timeline would be nonsensical, complete absence of any indication that anything happened, explicitly stating that hornet had all her hk abilities prior to ss

[true vine]

not to mention that silksong is a game, not a book, so gameplay elements must also be at least somewhat restricted

[marsh ibex]

Did you read anything I said

[manic jackal]

It’s literally a creativity issue if he cannot imagine Silksong creating stakes for Hornet outside of “staying alive” or “becoming a god”

[vale temple]

maybe they can't read

[manic jackal]

Scrolling up rn my bad

[marsh ibex]

you seem to think the only issue are “stakes”

When it isn’t

“A prequel would require her staying alive and returning to Hallownest after every ending, which is infinitely less interesting than the options a sequel allows

There aren’t any decent options for endings because she HAS to appear in the following game

There is no room for character growth because she HAS to act like she does in HK at the end of it

She also still has her memories, most of her abilities, and general outlook”

[true vine]

geez that was fast

[marsh ibex]

It’s a lot of copying and pasting

[true vine]

oh I thought you typed it all within like 15 seconds

[marsh ibex]

and while yes, “great stories can be made within the constraints of whatever” but there is basically nothing left after all I mentioned

[true vine]

perhaps hornet is just a conduit to explain more enigmatic elements of HK, such as the pale king

[marsh ibex]

From what we know Hornet’s main whatevers are “learning about her past, reaching the top of the citadel, finding out and possibly dealing with the haunting”

[true vine]

that could be interesting storywise but probably not really gameplay wise

[marsh ibex]

One of these are just not as compelling if it’s a prequel because she’d already know

[opaque sigil]

damn that would be boring (and inconsitent with tc's statements in edge)

[true vine]

it's been twelve minutes, where the hell is my silksong

[marsh ibex]

her character would have to be regressed to get to the point we see her in HK

[true vine]

what statements?

[opaque sigil]

of being independent

[marsh ibex]

She would be stripped of abilities and powers permanently! Because all the cool shit she can do in Silksong is just gone in Hollow Knight

[opaque sigil]

either that or she would be a liar

[true vine]

I don't recall that but yeah that really puts a lid on my theory

[manic jackal]

Again, all of these can be solved by just good writing. Sure you might imagine a sequel being more exciting because the ending of Hollow Knight makes you want to see where the characters are or what happened to them, but in the vacuum of a (mostly) self enclosed narrative it is completely possible to create intrigue, unlike with a sequel where that intrigue is a given. And there can be interesting options for endings even if “Hornet is alive and is her HK self”. There still can be character development and it can still be interesting

[verbal valve]

holy shit actual silkscussion

[true vine]

quick, stop the conversation

we've been had

[marsh ibex]

character development that would require character regression to be interesting

[manic jackal]

Better Call Saul did it 💀

[marsh ibex]

And you keep saying “just write good” or “there are options” and give none

[true vine]

falls from grace can be quite fun sometimes

[marsh ibex]

like better call saul is a video game in the style of HK

Great example

[opaque sigil]

"Gibson explains that starting with the clean slate of an entirely new kingdom with its own lore and new characters is another way in which Silksong is designed to be “a perfect jumping-on point for new players. We’re trying to be really, really mindful that we want this to be a game that new people can come into, and experience as their first Hollow Knight game"

it's not going to fill in stuff

that's just not the point

[manic jackal]

You literally said by virtue of being a prequel where you know what happens to the character it can’t be interesting and i provided you an example where it is

[opaque sigil]

there's also just no reason to think it is a prequel at all

it would make no sense

[marsh ibex]

No, I said it can’t be interesting because of the constraints laid out by the gameplay and narrative at large

I don’t know anything about better call saul or breaking bad anyways so it’s not really a good point

it’s like a random buzzword that’s supposed to make me change my mind

[hollow terrace]

Breaking bad still had good writing and strong identity for the characters before a prequel series was envisioned unlike Hollow knight where hornet has lack of lines or identity

[chilly nexus]

Not that this is a productive addition to the prequel vs sequel debate, but tbh I treat HK series games like tloz games where it's same universe but parallel timelines. SS and HK might exist in completely separate timelines

[opaque sigil]

[manic jackal]

You’ve mentioned constraints but i just said earlier how those constraints can still make an interesting narrating and you hadnt refuted any of those

[marsh ibex]

At least you said it’s not productive

[manic jackal]

This is like the worst thing that can happen 💀

[marsh ibex]

You didn’t. You just said “it’s possible.” I don’t have to refute something so nebulous

Motherfucker

AGAIN?

FUCK OFF

STUPID ALTS

[opaque sigil]

if it existed in a separate timeline you wouldn't have shit like weavers' relationship with hornet

[manic jackal]

:(

[chilly nexus]

realistically, I'd say SS takes place so far after or before HK that direction doesn't matter

[opaque sigil]

neither of those eventualities work at all

[lone crown]

🍿

[opaque sigil]

it couldn't possibly be before, if it was arbitrarily long after that would wrap back around to endings being a problem

[astral field]

guys, is hollow knight considered a hard game?

[marsh ibex]

no

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-whar-erm-whar-confused-cat-huh-what-gif-4052880542927116908

[marsh ibex]

Extra content is difficult, the game at large is not that hard

[manic jackal]

I gave you an example where a narrative worked with those constraints and produced something really good, you just haven’t seen it, i wouldn’t mind laying out the narrative tools used to help create an interesting narrative regardless of their constraints

[marsh ibex]

That is literally all I’ve been asking and the one thing you gave was another piece of media

and fuck Window apparently addressed that

I missed that

[marsh ibex]

thanks man

[astral field]

god home dlc is the only hard part, people of twitter consider hollow knight a hard game as a whole

[opaque sigil]

godhome isn't really hard it's just long

[vale temple]

godhome is the best part of hk

[marsh ibex]

Like he said Hornet doesn’t have much of a character aside from “serious no nonsense protector of Hallownest”

Team Cherry doesn’t heavily delve into characters or how they interact, their relationships, etc

[lone crown]

More of an endurance test than anything, the pacer-gram fitness test of the game

[fiery burrow]

[marsh ibex]

if the majority of heavy lifting has to be done with character work, due to what I said previously “she has to live onto the next game”

They either have to retcon or regress her character, which isn’t as interesting or open ended as a sequel

[astral field]

i prefer the white palace

[lone crown]

I don’t think prequel can be a possibility regardless cause of a single tool

[fiery burrow]

or most of them

[opaque sigil]

it also can't be a prequel because of the weavers

[lone crown]

Hornet uses the spike ball in the original game as we’re all aware, and we see an enhanced version in the trailer. Now why would she downgrade her kit if Silksong were a prequel, let alone her other tools

And like all of her new abilities

[fiery burrow]

and because Team Cherry is based and hates prequels

[lone crown]

Makes zero sense for a prequel

[fiery burrow]

speaking of abilities

[primal horizon]

hey guys who has seen the tweet from xboxanz
and if you have, i will say all of you are going to say "nuh uh this isnt real you are CLOWN"

[fiery burrow]

Have we seen a double jump in silksong yet?

[tough glen]

oh my god are you having a sequel-prequel discussion

[wooden quest]

we all have, dont mention it or Joker will kill you

[opaque sigil]

hornet has also explicitly lost all her abilities prior to silksong which would make no sense to establish if it wasn't a sequel

[vale temple]

nobody considers that silksong could be an au

[weary siren]

i am going to have a heart attack.

[primal horizon]

yeah unfortunately this is what lore youtubers do to their fandom

[tough glen]

wait where is that stated, that's a good argument

[weary siren]

i just saw the xbox tweet 😭

[fiery burrow]

edge magazine I think

[fiery burrow]

?tag xboxanz

[white sail]

it is their job to market gamepass games https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662500313130991617/1158833096603488296/IMG_7441.jpeg

[opaque sigil]

"Part of what’s Hornet’s doing is she’s lost her traditional strength because of the time spent bound in this cage you saw in the introduction,” Gibson says, “And she’s sort of restoring it, and the Weavers – or what remains of them in this land – are helping her.”

[lone crown]

“I’ve lacked for my usual tools” - Hornet to Forge Daughter iirc?

[primal horizon]

so SCREW MOSSBAG
I HATE THAT PREQUEL THEORY

[fiery burrow]

Yeah it makes no sense

[tough glen]

oh god I remember when edge was like, the sign ss is gonna release tomorrow 😭

[fiery burrow]

midbag iirc tbh

[marsh ibex]

@livid parrot hey friend they’re saying mean things about you here

[manic jackal]

Summarily, in order for BCS to be interesting, they immediately established multiple characters and dynamics and new internal conflicts of the protagonist based on his qualities in the earlier installment

In principle, SS could just do the same thing. For example, one of Hornet’s core characteristics is her protectiveness and loyalty to the kingdom she was from. A prequel can explore how she became that protective/disciplined. Maybe there is a character she really cares about which she fails to protect in the end, maybe she had values for herself which she broke that led to serious consequences for her and others. Another characteristic established in Hornet is her attachment to her mother, so family can also be a theme for her and SS can be about her handling the grief of her mom while coming to terms with the role her existence plays into her moms death. Culminating in the words she spoke to TK. I dunno i hate how y’all got me writing fan fiction

👍🏾

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-18541817

[primal horizon]

oh shoot

[true vine]

wow are yall still discussing this

[weary siren]

im aware im just at the point that any mention of silksong gives me a heartattack. hi mossbag

[true vine]

I went to eat dinner and came back, and you guys are still arguing about silksequel

[fiery burrow]

reminds me of when ccmaci came into chat right after I insulted his videos

[graceful beacon]

the goat?

[daring crater]

REAL MOSSBAG!?

[true vine]

I like this

[manic jackal]

He’s so based for that

[primal horizon]

anyways im not dead so um

[weary siren]

i think given how little we know about the games plot it could be either a prequel or a sequel with little difficulty for either option but i think id personally like it better if it was a sequel

[fiery burrow]

It can't be a prequel really

[primal horizon]

and why the HELL would it be a prequel anyways

[outer temple]

We’re arguing about silksequel? grab your pop corn

[fiery burrow]

unless they retcon stuff and are stinky

[primal horizon]

what are we gonna learn about

[opaque sigil]

there wouldn't be enough time for prequel if pharloom was ten feet outside of hallownest

[manic jackal]

Everyone here is talking like making it a prequel will be the hardest task in the history of fiction

[tough glen]

silkquel

[primal horizon]

I KNOW that WE KNOW that this game is a SEQUEL

[lone crown]

Okay but counter my argument I mentioned earlier with the tools

[primal horizon]

and NOT a prequel

[orchid rune]

hornet got amenesia

[true vine]

that xbox tweet was the last straw for you all, wasn't it

[primal horizon]

everyone who's saying "why do you keep talking about this" because

[primal horizon]

yah.

[fiery burrow]

I got a few straws left

[outer temple]

Genius

[primal horizon]

and listen, wowzers right, big deal marketing scheme
but why would they market a game that hasnt been released yet

[languid linden]

Brother

[primal horizon]

except that's kinda exactly what they did so um.

[outer temple]

What Xbox tweet?

[manic jackal]

We don’t know the gameplay yet and if the tools are a resource dependent on her location so i can’t really say much. But also her tools are more of a game play thing than a narrative thing so there really isn’t much i can argue from a storytelling perspective besides benefit of the doubt beats fucking up the stakes of the original HK ending

[primal horizon]

hmmmmm

[true vine]

NOTHING

[fiery burrow]

that's what pretty much all games do

[tough glen]

why cant tc just drop in chat the answers to all our questions like they did here #sk-discussion message

[languid linden]

My brother in Christ that’s how marketing works

[outer temple]

Time to open Xbox twitter

[languid linden]

Oh shit Godfriend

[orchid rune]

I mean in all fairness if it is a prequel they would prob just put "the prequel to hollow knight" in the trailer

[weary siren]

yeah it could be made into a prequel quite easily i think. we know very very little about the places outside hallownest and yes while it is difficult to enter and leave hallownest its certainly not impossible, especially for someone like hornet

[tough glen]

what where

[outer temple]

Hope it doesn’t destroy my dreams

[weary siren]

you could say this for the sequel theory too 😭

[opaque sigil]

.

[primal horizon]

yeah sorry my spine exited my body and fell down then reinserted itself into my body

[languid linden]

You haven’t like been constantly active for a bit and I didn’t notice right

[true vine]

therefore it's highly unlikely that it's a prequel

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-hi-chat-chat-goodbye-chat-bye-chat-gif-24115546

[weary siren]

i am a sequel theory enjoyer but theres evidence for both sides i think.

[opaque sigil]

there is zero evidence for it being a prequel

[manic jackal]

Is this supposed to counter what i said?

[true vine]

how?

[reef scarab]

wait are y’all still debating sequel or prequel

[orchid rune]

unfortunately yes... yes I could

[tough glen]

nah I appeared in chat five minutes ago

[fiery burrow]

There's zero evidence that it's a prequel

[true vine]

yeh

[manic jackal]

Well it doesn’t 👍🏾

[tough glen]

for the first time in weeks or months

[languid linden]

Okay good

How have you been

[true vine]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[charred surge]

Silksong will be a sequel because it will be cooler, infallible argument

[true vine]

tammo

[tulip helm]

good morning (it is 5:14pm)

[true vine]

kill

[wheat sail]

What

[opaque sigil]

you really think that's something that would make any sense if it was a prequel?

[outer temple]

ok I still have no idea what you're talking about

[opaque sigil]

you can lead somebody to water but you can't force them to form rational beliefs

[tough glen]

I'm mostly active in the HK Modding server now

[primal horizon]

ok ok who on which side is a prequel sider

[charred surge]

Stairs

[weary siren]

biggest piece of evidence in my mind is that hollow knight has multiple endings and none are necessarily the "true" ending, esp with sealed siblings and all that. a prequel would be easier to tie into hollow knight because then it doesnt matter what ending happens

[opaque sigil]

that's bad evidence because it's just wrong

[languid linden]

Oh okay

[orchid rune]

don't make fucking sides omfg

[fiery burrow]

?tag jokerpsa

[white sail]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[opaque sigil]

sequel ties in incredibly easily

[fiery burrow]

It can lead off from every ending

[languid linden]

I joined there once to figure out how to get a 112% save

[tough glen]

who knows

[languid linden]

I didn’t figure it out and used debug instead

[orchid rune]

we ||ARE TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE ABOUT THIS OK GUYS WE WANT THE TRUTH NOT ANOTHER CIVIL WAR||

[weary siren]

i already said i prefer sequel theory but im also saying not to discount prequel theory either

[manic jackal]

Are you talking about my paragraph? You mean delving more into foundational but surface-level characteristics of characters established in the first installment? Yeah of course

[fiery burrow]

I am trying to discount the prequel theory

[opaque sigil]

so you didn't read what I posted, classic

[marsh ibex]

That’s not at all what we’ve been talking about nor does anyone think this is an issue

[manic jackal]

Based !!!

[tough glen]

there're probably 112% people posted laying around all over the place

[lone crown]

Tools will be part of the narrative somehow, as Hornet refers to them by word. There are some gameplay elements that do make no sense in the story, like HK’s death mechanic obviously, but tools are definitely involved as well as her acquiring new abilities to restore and exceed past her former self

[charred surge]

Why are we arguing when we all know my opinion is the only correct one smh

[tulip helm]

wait are people actually talking about Silksong here?! in SS-Discussoin ?!

[wheat sail]

Only lore

[opaque sigil]

the story explicitly has hornet lose her abilities from hollow knight before silksong that's not a mechanical handwave

[manic jackal]

Hollow Knight’s death mechanic didn’t make any sense

[wheat sail]

☠️

[languid linden]

Okay well I got the save I just didn’t know how to make it work

[primal horizon]

thank you psa

[orchid rune]

@charred surge yeah your name checks out

[lone crown]

So basically if it were a prequel why would none of these be used in our encounters against her

[wheat sail]

Team cherry give gameplay pls

[opaque sigil]

the story explicitly has hornet lose her abilities from hollow knight before silksong that's not a mechanical handwave

[languid linden]

But it doesn’t matter cause I realized I’m too bad to play PC

[weary siren]

see i have not been paying much attention since i do not care that much either way

[true vine]

this and another one, let me find it

[chilly nexus]

I still can't get over William's grey hair scandal

[tough glen]

ikr?? If only it were new ideas being thrown around instead of the same topic we covered back in 2019

[charred surge]

You’re right, this is unacceptable
Quick, someone say something quirky and off topic

[fiery burrow]

uhhh, :3

[charred surge]

Who are you and what did I do to you

[weary siren]

pasta mouse

[charred surge]

:3

[wheat sail]

The grey hair is from him resisting the urge to give news

[true vine]

hold up

[primal horizon]

hahah

[true vine]

I've been misinformationed

[orchid rune]

wait what scandal

[chilly nexus]

praying for him, that stress is too great

[orchid rune]

you have got to be joking

[manic jackal]

Why does this matter? She’s not as strong as she should be at the start? Hornet didn’t magically get strong the moment the game started, she has been like that for a while, long before the events of HK took place

[fiery burrow]

respectable

[charred surge]

Hey ain’t that the uhhhh French Provençal dish of stewed vegetables that originated in Nice and is sometimes referred to as ratatouille niçoise (French: [niswaz])

[opaque sigil]

do you really not understand why it wouldn't make sense to state that in a prequel? this has to be a joke

[true vine]

@outer temple I found it

it doesn't mean much

[lone crown]

On that note I’m outta here

Only way to be right is to wait for the game

[charred surge]

So true (I haven’t played totk and barely played Celeste)

[primal horizon]

okkkk but i like to think that it does
or not
um

[wheat sail]

Celeste is like the chinese ripoff of Mario bros

[tough glen]

I'm confused what you mean by this

[weary siren]

no this is referring to the time i got muted through the xbox gamepass silksong announcement for posting pasta mouse

[primal horizon]

how would this tweet get xbox anywhere man.

[true vine]

don't get your hopes up

[lone crown]

Let’s settle on a bet, a list of every #sk-discussion member on the side of sequel and the side of prequel. Whoever loses will receive some form of punishment

[primal horizon]

why is silksong still relevant each time i try to get away from it AUGH

[fiery burrow]

add me to the sequelers

[true vine]

nuh uh

[manic jackal]

No i understand what you’re saying, it’s just that it’s a mute point, ofc they’re going to have to explain why Hornet doesn’t have the tools she have in HK, doesn’t mean during/after HK was the only time she could have had those tools to lose

[vale temple]

au

[primal horizon]

im the sequeler

[opaque sigil]

if it was a prequel she wouldn't lose her abilities she'd be getting them for the first time

[primal horizon]

screw alternate universes

[charred surge]

Is pasta mouse a specific thing

[true vine]

but also I'm a sequeler

[weary siren]

yea it was an image of a mouse in pasta. i redrew hornet over it

[outer temple]

Xbox is just trolling us at this point

[opaque sigil]

no they wouldn't in a prequel do you know what a prequel is

[marsh ibex]

it’s already implied that her protective nature is something she’s had for a while, and she’s not “loyal to her kingdom.” Hallownest isn’t her kingdom, and she hasn’t been in Deepnest for a while.

Considering Hornet asks Forge Daughter to make her usual tools in Silksong, this already implies she uses those tools and utilizes them in the first place. So she’s already doing her protector of Hallownest shtick.

And for the theme about family… she herself feels bad because she’s grateful for the life she granted her, but she’s unable to stop the Knight from killing her? I guess you could ascribe the familial themes to the weavers, but that wouldn’t extend to the sequel. These are both already established characteristics that she’d have for a while.

And yeah, they can introduce a lot of new characters and dynamics to make it interesting. But it’s pretty hard to justify them affecting her to such a degree, considering she wouldn’t have interacted or known these people for as long as she has dealt with Hallownest and the Infection

[charred surge]

Sequel is thematically cooler and therefore correcter

[opaque sigil]

ok actually they might not know what a prequel is

[surreal remnant]

Sequel: hornet leaves, pharloom happens, no problems
prequel: “ok so you’re gonna bump your head on a rock, forget all about pharloom, but not forget anything else, and drop all your new trinkets on the ground, it was also a magik rok so you lost all your new powers”

[storm stone]

WHERE IS IT

[true vine]

https://tenor.com/view/not-reading-allat-gif-11216013967469576578

[weary siren]

they muted me cause i put 2 pngs of hornet in the image to make the image on-topic

[charred surge]

[marsh ibex]

then don’t read all that:

[marsh ibex]

Hmm lets see if that’s true

[primal horizon]

ok then why did you post it again 🤨

[weary siren]

that isnt the original image thats the version i drew hornet over

[marsh ibex]

Wow, it’s totally not true! Who would’ve guessed!!!!!

You literally have been never been muted on this server what the fuck are you talking about?

[tough glen]

If it were a prequel they wouldn't need to explain why she doesn't have her HK tools at the start - she simply didn't have them because this all happened, get this, before HK (because that's what a prequel is)

therefore if they need to explain why she doesn't have her HK tools at the start, it can't be a prequel

[true vine]

do you mean "not muted"

[primal horizon]

yeah no they did say they've been muted

[marsh ibex]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[true vine]

rad

[tough glen]

iance

[true vine]

misinformation is your butter and the internet your bread

[marsh ibex]

This is such a weird ass thing to lie about too? Why would lie about this? What do you gain from this being true???

[fiery burrow]

The mods once muted me for simply being incorrect in lore, they are really abusive

[surreal remnant]

in order chronologically
prequel>original piece of media>sequel

[fiery burrow]

actually wait joker have I been muted

I know I have been warned

[primal horizon]

they just wanted to give some hahas i guess

[primal horizon]

you can look at dyno dms

lists warns and stuff

[fiery burrow]

it alerts you when you are muted?

[true vine]

joker once muted me because I leaked the entire game of silksong and violated TC's nda

[charred surge]

What if everyone had mute perms, that would be funny I think

[primal horizon]

it has alerted for me in 2020

[wheat sail]

Joker didn't mute me because I paid him not to

[primal horizon]

wow really? (guys john unity's is spreading misinformation)

[fiery burrow]

I dont remember if I was unable to talk at one point though

[true vine]

yeah do you want me to send the file again

[outer temple]

Yes please

[true vine]

shitposts are my jam, misinformation is my butter, and the internet is my bread

[fiery burrow]

Im clean

from mutes anyways

[violet dune]

I am not

[primal horizon]

im not clean from warns or mutes
clean from kicks and bans though so

[true vine]

I'm fairly sure I'm one warn away from a ban

[surreal remnant]

uɐᴉlɐɹʇsnɐ uɐ s’ʇᴉ

[primal horizon]

i dunno i was like 13 years old back then

[opaque sigil]

are you trying to tell people to test it on you because if so I refuse

[fiery burrow]

shrue

[fiery burrow]

prolly me too

three warns sounds like a nice place to ban people

[wheat sail]

I blocked you, so you can't react to this

[opaque sigil]

skill issue

[true vine]

k

[tough glen]

ok

[primal horizon]

you arent, the ban kinda depends on the severity of the warns
if you post misinformation like 3 times in a row that's not really a ban, a convienient mistake but not a ban, uhhh one more time i think youre gone though

[marsh ibex]

Wow kirb bkocked everyone in chat

[lone crown]

Not me!

[marsh ibex]

So fucked uo

[lone crown]

NO!

[outer temple]

I was actually scared for a second

[true vine]

[manic jackal]

A) i don’t know what you are trying to prove when you say “she’s had this for a while” but that doesn’t disprove what i said. It’s not like because she’s had those traits for so long, they cannot manifest in different ways prior to the effects of HK, nor does it mean there isn’t ways to expand upon it in a prequel by weaving it into a general narrative

B) Hornet would have still presumably fought against infected as the infection was spreading before her birth, and her skill and weapon familiarity could just be the product of her upbringing

C) I mean yeah, SS could have hornet develop in a way that makes her more accepting and understanding of the necessity of sacrifice while still being about her feelings towards her birth. Also SS deals a lot with the weavers so yeah family has a big possibility of being a theme in SS

[marsh ibex]

I mean

Uhhh

[true vine]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[marsh ibex]

rule break bad

[manic jackal]

Based

[primal horizon]

i wish i could mod abuse when im older

[wheat sail]

🤨

[fiery burrow]

nuh uh

[wheat sail]

Mod abuse is a federal crime

[fiery burrow]

breaking rules is funny unless you get caught

[true vine]

nuh uh

[primal horizon]

hey gelato lets not swear????

[true vine]

there was this one video I posted in this channel twice, the first time the mods there found it funny, the second time I got warned

[marsh ibex]

what did you just say?

[tough glen]

of all the message chains why would you reply to the one dealing in hypothetical themes of the game

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[manic jackal]

I’m a writer

[marsh ibex]

Window I think we have to ban gelato

[primal horizon]

window ban this gelato guy

[hollow terrace]

probably because you kept repeating it

[lone crown]

Do you by any chance work for GameRant

[atomic sparrow]

mods, crush their skull thank you !...

[lone crown]

Chat I think we found the one

[hollow terrace]

like right now

[manic jackal]

What is that

[lone crown]

In denial, eh

[fiery burrow]

playing dumb I see

[wheat sail]

Spare gelato, kill me

[primal horizon]

oooh ok

[wheat sail]

I will die for his sins

[remote ibex]

Ss disc is in shambles rn

[tough glen]

mr electric !

[true vine]

https://twitter.com/MongooseRodeo/status/1709264703032008851
wake up, sick crowsworn image just dropped

Mongoose Rodeo (@MongooseRodeo)

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526

Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

[primal horizon]

well actually im doing just fine

[manic jackal]

I have genuinely never heard of Gamerant in my life

[tough glen]

epic

[fiery burrow]

he look ugly tbh

[remote ibex]

So do you

[primal horizon]

that's the point

[lone crown]

Crowkart main

[primal horizon]

oh hey cmon now

[fiery burrow]

the point is to look unpleasing?

[outer temple]

Why can’t silksong release an image every few years

[fiery burrow]

tbh that's a bad point

[true vine]

you have not seen the things they've posted before

[remote ibex]

I've seen them before and she is the ugliest person ever iirc

[primal horizon]

you ever seen a monster look pleasing?

[lone crown]

…wait where did you get that profile picture

[tough glen]

I misread this as

Why can’t silksong release every few years :hollowcry:

[primal horizon]

which yeah you probably have but have you ever seen A monster look pleasing

[lone crown]

Someone else I know is using that exact same profile picture but the green is orange

[remote ibex]

Someone sent it in chat when I asked for a pfp

[true vine]

what's this

[wheat sail]

This guy plays hollow knight

[lone crown]

That is NOT pleasing

[primal horizon]

despite their genocide they were doing it for the good of their kingdom

[manic jackal]

Hallownest was in a state of stasis prior to the events of the game, Hornet would have had all the same tools she had in the game prior to its events. We just don’t forget hornet is supposed to be some powerful demigod just because it’s a prequel, they would still have to tell us how she got there

[true vine]

I have a meme very fitting for this question but if I send it'll probably be banned

[fiery burrow]

yada yada I was going to troll but I am too tired

[opaque sigil]

that's just untrue

[fiery burrow]

and you are cool

[lone crown]

Hornet isn’t a demigod btw

[primal horizon]

yahhhhh

you are cool too

[fiery burrow]

[opaque sigil]

actually it's impressive how wrong that is

[tough glen]

Could you explain this
Because I am once again having a hard time understanding what you mean

[manic jackal]

Oh ok i guess Hornet was just weak asf prior to HK and just became strong when the game started 👍🏾

[lone crown]

Higher being status isnt hereditary I’m pretty sure

Correct me if im wrong

[opaque sigil]

it's not and even if it was specific techniques wouldn't be

[surreal remnant]

no? she was trained in deepnest…

[fiery burrow]

yeah

[marsh ibex]

why do you do that

[primal horizon]

yeah that's what i was wondering too

[opaque sigil]

if her abilities were innate then weavers couldn't help her recover them

[fiery burrow]

well you often inherit power making you a higher being too but that's not a constant

[marsh ibex]

someone says “that’s wrong” so you make up a clearly incorrect argument that they supposedly hold

[true vine]

what is there that supports that

[surreal remnant]

also the “stasis” isn’t literal

[true vine]

the vessels can apparently use magic

[manic jackal]

Hornet is strong during Hollow knight, before Hollow Knight, and after Hollow Knight (besides from sealedsiblings lol)

[surreal remnant]

using magic doesn’t make you a higher being

[marsh ibex]

Stasis isn’t literal and she has those abilities before going to Pharloom

[wheat sail]

The paper boat fallacy

[primal horizon]

joker does not want to hold punches today god damn

[fiery burrow]

It's a status that is given to those who are exceptionally powerful

[marsh ibex]

the weavers are helping her relearn abilities not teach her new ones

[fiery burrow]

You wouldn't necessarily inherit it

[sonic hamlet]

Hollow knight

[manic jackal]

If you consider HBs gods hornet is a demigod

[opaque sigil]

vessels inherited focus, but they don't just get a bunch of random magic, shaman spells are different

[lone crown]

No

[tough glen]

Aaaaaand she gets weakened in the cage, just in time for the sequel
(or sth like that I haven't been to these discussions in ages)

[fiery burrow]

that would imply you half exist above all others

[marsh ibex]

Higher Being status isn’t inherited, so that’s a moot point

[opaque sigil]

hornet inherits some soul powers too (eg binding) but weaver techniques are also different

[marsh ibex]

being a child of a higher being would make you more likely to possibly be one but it is not black and white

[manic jackal]

I never said Hornet was a HB????

[outer temple]

What

[manic jackal]

What??? That is baseless

[lone crown]

You said half of one aka demigod

[outer temple]

Who said this

[opaque sigil]

no it's not

[primal horizon]

i do not believe you

[true vine]

iamleavingokbye

[opaque sigil]

ari gibson

[marsh ibex]

Learned a new word today so you’re using it in incongruent scenarios, are you?

[opaque sigil]

"Part of what’s Hornet’s doing is she’s lost her traditional strength because of the time spent bound in this cage you saw in the introduction,” Gibson says, “And she’s sort of restoring it, and the Weavers – or what remains of them in this land – are helping her.”

[manic jackal]

Yeah, she has features and abilities which normal bugs do not

[marsh ibex]

being a higher being is a title. They aren’t a race

[outer temple]

Oh dam 🦫

[lone crown]

Like…?

[marsh ibex]

Therefore it isn’t inheritable

[opaque sigil]

doesn't support your claim

[tough glen]

features
now with gyroscopic controls

[sonic hamlet]

What are you guys even arguing about?

[marsh ibex]

If you genuinely believe that’s baseless I’ll end the discussion right now because I’m not informing you of stuff like this

[tough glen]

silkquel

[sonic hamlet]

Oh ss discussion is about silksong?

[primal horizon]

wowzers this is crazy

[tough glen]

surprisingly

[sonic hamlet]

Yeah. I never knew

[wheat sail]

So here's my number

[tough glen]

I'd go to sleep but xkcd 386 comes to mind

[manic jackal]

When have we seen HBs reproduce, the only one i can think about is the PK and WL, and all of the vessels had soul wielding possibilities but only can possibly be a HB because of Void

[sonic hamlet]

[manic jackal]

Oh and NMH

[primal horizon]

uh oh.

[marsh ibex]

What does this have to do with anything I said?

I said it’s a title and status, not a genetic or inheritable thing???

[manic jackal]

#sk-discussion message

[marsh ibex]

Why are you saddling me with the need to show other HBs reproduce

[sonic hamlet]

Sunflower

[rigid nest]

@manic jackal

[marsh ibex]

turns out if you have extra powers and abilities there is a better chance you have to be considered above all others

that’s basic logic

[manic jackal]

Oh hey that’s me!

[manic jackal]

And does Hornet not have extra powers and abilities?

[marsh ibex]

oh my god

[lone crown]

No

[tough glen]

what are you two even arguing right now

[sonic hamlet]

[tough glen]

how does this have to do with silkquel discussion

[primal horizon]

whether hornet is a demigod or not.

[marsh ibex]

never mind I’m not wasting my time with this anymore

[lone crown]

Good call

[tough glen]

burgerton's pvz emotes are more to the point than this is

[opaque sigil]

jinn enjoyer is grasping at increasingly tenuous straws and pulling in more and more unrelated stuff to try to pull together some sort of moving goalpost that can't be reached

[primal horizon]

yeah true

[sonic hamlet]

[manic jackal]

Oh nah my prequel argument is made and nobody really refuted it so I’m chilling 👍🏾

[primal horizon]

jinn enjoyer is typing y'all

[true vine]

right

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-the-game-indie-game-white-background-people-crowd-gif-26418334

[opaque sigil]

people refuted it you just don't understand the refutations or don't care

[primal horizon]

eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows eyebrows

[primal horizon]

kinda based if they ddidnt care tbh

[manic jackal]

I honestly am failing to understand how that one TC quote proves anything

[true vine]

it seems problematic that everyone but you understands

[primal horizon]

not based anymore

[manic jackal]

Like i genuinely do not understand like can you please walk me through the logic

[opaque sigil]

I have

I'm not gonna waste my time doing it again

[manic jackal]

Yeah and i would like to understand

[lone crown]

My brain is fried

[manic jackal]

Oh ok 👍🏾

[sonic hamlet]

Plant

[true vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/971175696909107230/image0-3-1.gif

[lone crown]

Why do I decide to kill time here

[primal horizon]

uh oh jinn enjoyer is gonna say tammo has nothing to say in the first place

[outer temple]

Which tc quote🥺👉👈

[primal horizon]

enemy spider cmon you know you like this

[lone crown]

Wanna know what else I like

[sonic hamlet]

What

[lone crown]

Being healthy and productive

[true vine]

"Part of what’s Hornet’s doing is she’s lost her traditional strength because of the time spent bound in this cage you saw in the introduction,” Gibson says, “And she’s sort of restoring it, and the Weavers – or what remains of them in this land – are helping her.”

[tough glen]

well now you ruined it for them you meanie

[true vine]

what's that

[lone crown]

Bye chat good luck with the individual’s arguments

[outer temple]

Ah yes mb

[sonic hamlet]

Plant reference from plant game

[tawdry valley]

Prequel sequel shit is horsecrap

[primal horizon]

one swear word and one not ok

[manic jackal]

Nah I’m chilling 👍🏾

[true vine]

I'm going to lurk and see where this goes

[uneven vault]

sherma isn’t real

[tough glen]

bet

[primal horizon]

last time i said that i wasnt chilling so um. yeah

damn people dont wanna give satisfaction to others these days so selfish oml

[tough glen]

istg this doesn't look right

[fathom coral]

its always been heavily implied that its a sequel, end of discussion

[primal horizon]

mann john unity you're supposed to be on my side

[fiery burrow]

yeah he's all greyed out

[outer temple]

why does everyone always ignore that TC said silksong is a sequel multiple times

[primal horizon]

because of mossbag

[outer temple]

true

[tough glen]

wait what did mossbag do

[fiery burrow]

Leth has said that that is sequel as in second installment

[opaque sigil]

because in the contexts where they did it wasn't used in that way

[marsh ibex]

because Leth said that doesn’t mean chronological sequel lol

[primal horizon]

it's a joke on that prequel video lol

[outer temple]

exact quote?

[marsh ibex]

it’s the second game in the series “Hollow Knight”

[tough glen]

I'm 90% certain I watched it but what prequel video?

[sonic hamlet]

2

[outer temple]

welp

[primal horizon]

man we should do sequel-prequel debates more often

i think everybody liked this

[fathom coral]

no we shouldnt its literally just a sequel

[manic jackal]

I would always win

[primal horizon]

till someone's a bit too overconfident nvm

[tough glen]

wait you're telling me you don't even have these discussions often and I somehow landed on the one time you all did

[manic jackal]

I had one like last year lol

[primal horizon]

basically yeah

[tough glen]

my seven years of luck must've run out, damn

[outer temple]

why would we in #off-topic2

[manic jackal]

Based Team Cherry

[marsh ibex]

don’t ping me.

[tough glen]

it heavily depends on your definition of winning

[opaque sigil]

stubborn people tend to think that's winning

[outer temple]

whats leths discord name

[manic jackal]

Nah it doesnt

[opaque sigil]

leth

[manic jackal]

Leth 👍🏾

[tough glen]

If you define winning as "I managed to go through the entire discussion without changing my mind [even though overwhelming evidence may or may not have been shown to me]" as winning then like yeah sure you won

if on the other hand winning is actually having good points then like
uhhhhh

[outer temple]

cant find it when I search it is he not on this server?

[opaque sigil]

you could also try griffinmatta

[manic jackal]

Honest to god what was the overwhelming evidence 😭

And I’m like being so serious

[primal horizon]

why are you still here

[outer temple]

that is very

[primal horizon]

can people stop responding to jinn enjoyer please

[manic jackal]

Don’t be rude!

[outer temple]

TC of TC

[robust flame]

Hi is there drama it sounds like there’s drama I missed

[opaque sigil]

not as such

[tough glen]

I never said there was overwhelming evidence, necessarily - it's inside a [] with a may or may not
I did feel like it should be mentioned in the example definition of "winning" you may or may not have, but definitely appear to have

[primal horizon]

why are you asking 😔

[tough glen]

Anyways I'm off to sleep, yall enjoy yourselves

[primal horizon]

goodnight

[manic jackal]

Nighty <3

[primal horizon]

leaving before consequences hit how smart

[vale temple]

@sage glade
it says "my time has come"

[lusty horizon]

They do start their mornings with fresh hatred

[vale temple]

oh wait this goes under english only

[marsh ibex]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

replace it with a balloon sword motherfucker

[vale temple]

is it better if i included the translation

[covert gyro]

i have awoken from being hk hollow, any news on silky song

[marsh ibex]

Probably

[marsh ibex]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[quartz cave]

Yoo joky sspsaing

[sonic hamlet]

[chilly nexus]

yes actually! xboz ANZ tweeted about SS ahead of pax aus

imo it's just a generic SS tweet, but a bit of official SS promo nonetheless!

[chilly nexus]

sunshroom OP

[sonic hamlet]

Fr

[covert gyro]

pax aus ?

[chilly nexus]

tho I'm biased towards moonflower and dusklobber once unlocked

[chilly nexus]

an australian gaming convention

imo we'll be waiting till TGA tho

[sonic hamlet]

Repeater best plant

[covert gyro]

nice

[flat remnant]

wait actually this gave me an idea

and hornet is not the most hard thing to draw

[sonic hamlet]

Eureka

[vale temple]

hornet kagurabachi was already done

[flat remnant]

i thought as much

send

[vale temple]

idk it was in gallery from days ago

[stoic sigil]

Ex box hair net Silk song

[robust flame]

I wanted drama I was bored

And im probably too late now :(

[vale temple]

https://twitter.com/HimeHinghoi/status/1709318109939798215?t=_Qayfwh3V8vVGfKcpWTniQ

🌸 Princess Hinghoi Lite 🌸 (@HimeHinghoi)

Bocchi The Happy Meal! 🤗

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Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 9:22 PM

[sonic hamlet]

[high hedge]

Do you have an emote for peas

[sonic hamlet]

Yeah

Im going to have a pvz empire

[high hedge]

Torchwood emote?

[sonic hamlet]

Yes

But no flaming peas

[ebon gyro]

prolly been talked abt to death already, but yall think we're gonna get silksong news at pax aus?

[sonic hamlet]

Maybe

The dinosaurs have something to do with it

[ebon gyro]

well, xbox australia did the silksong thing earlier so I wouldn't doubt there's a chance

[marsh ibex]

?tag xboxanz

[white sail]

it is their job to market gamepass games https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662500313130991617/1158833096603488296/IMG_7441.jpeg

[sonic hamlet]

Im trying not to get my hopes up

[ebon gyro]

I hope there's just any news

[sonic hamlet]

Yeah

[ebon gyro]

that's from feb, I'm talking abt the one they posted today

[sonic hamlet]

Even if it's just a mention of the game

[ebon gyro]

dis one, forgot to attach it

[sonic hamlet]

Me too xbox

[vale temple]

[sonic hamlet]

All we can do is wait

[vale temple]

@marsh ibex I think the tag may not be clear enough

[high hedge]

?whensilksong

[ebon gyro]

only 2 days

[hollow terrace]

Pax Aus and if’s not that

Then

TGA TGA

[sonic hamlet]

Tc is taking their time for a reason

[high hedge]

If they don’t, who will

[marsh ibex]

did you read the part that says "it is their job to market games"

they reference gamepass games in a facetious way all the time this means nothing

[hollow terrace]

BELIEVE IN THE GAME AWARDS

[chilly nexus]

YESSSSSSS

[full rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/675204322698461194/1139794633476546560/afdfdff2.gif

[ebon gyro]

it's still a company tc are partnered with, tweeting about silksong 3 days before PAX

[wooden quest]

Which pax?

[ebon gyro]

pax aus

and that's the australian xbox acc

[wooden quest]

Dont pax usually put out their floorplan ahead of time

[ebon gyro]

myup

lemme go check if tc has a booth

[wooden quest]

I.e. where each attending company’s booth is located

[fiery burrow]

[wooden quest]

Surely it would be here if they did

[marsh ibex]

🤨

[ebon gyro]

team cherry dont have a booth

[marsh ibex]

so???

I already said that they do this for every game

this is not special and is not anything that suggest Silksong at PAX
if you genuinely believe it does there is a solid disconnect here

[ebon gyro]

atleast that's advertised

[shell yacht]

[hollow terrace]

There’s probably a chance they’re gonna be there not as a booth

But like as attendees

[shell yacht]

theyre gon show up just to look at other games

[misty shore]

Yeah leth will probably attend as a visitor

Wait leth isn't in australia is he

[wooden quest]

Leth lives in america

[shell yacht]

leth is from texas iirc?

idk where he lives tho

[misty shore]

Clearly PAX aus is taking place in Texas

[hollow terrace]

Leth is astral projecting to Australian

[wooden quest]

Wouldnt be shocked if one of the guys went to have a look

[shell yacht]

TexPax

[ebon gyro]

there's also pannels and other things that they could do other than booths

[hollow terrace]

Pax aus because it’s at Austin Texas!!!!

[wooden quest]

Panels aren’t presentations

[misty shore]

FR!

[shell yacht]

pannels would get advertized

[ebon gyro]

I dont know much about how pax works so I'm just guessing

[wooden quest]

No i know, im just trying to explain

[misty shore]

How transparent is PAX usually about what's going to show up?

[wooden quest]

Erm chat, im starting to think silksong MIIIIGHT not be real 🤓

[wooden quest]

💯

[hollow terrace]

They advertise notable people on showfloor

[wooden quest]

Pax isnt the place for surprise announcements

[hollow terrace]

Like a big sign listing all the guests

[wooden quest]

Graig. Now is not the time.

(You’ll alert Joker)

[hollow terrace]

Like this guy at pax west

[iron spear]

Gamers HATE this one trick

[fiery burrow]

gamerant eatin good tonight

[shell yacht]

its literally the topic

[misty shore]

I think graig mentioning it deconfirms it

[iron spear]

Wtf is a topic

[misty shore]

No silksong at pax

[wooden quest]

Yeah but the clowns will say “graig posted it therefore REAL 😼😼😈😂😔☝️💀😆❌❌”

[opaque sigil]

it's a picture of a to whatever that is

[hollow terrace]

Gamers HATE silksong being marketed despite past convos complaining tc lack of marketing

[iron spear]

I just woke up and saw it so I posted it here

[quartz cave]

Eww no toe pics allowed

[smoky nebula]

Tf is silksong this is shaman stone discussion

[wooden quest]

This is talos principle 2 demo discussion

Its good! Discussion over.

[smoky nebula]

That doesn't abbreviate to ss

[wooden quest]

taloS prinSiple

[fiery burrow]

stalos sprinciple doesn't abbreviate to ss?

[misty shore]

Hollow Knight Grubsong

[primal horizon]

well,

[smoky nebula]

Ok nvm I stand corrected

[wooden quest]

https://tenor.com/view/wellwellwell-3dmodel-gif-18496577

[primal horizon]

does krill krill not abbreviate to ss?

[smoky nebula]

Skrill Skrill does

[sonic hamlet]

One in a krillion

[twin bough]

Hiiii chat

[quartz cave]

Skill s-issue imo

[twin bough]

I need to kill 1 hour 20 mins

[wooden quest]

Use a sword

[ebon gyro]

perfect, come debate whether there will be silksong news at pax aus

[quartz cave]

Hope yall have played among us daily

[rigid nest]

Xbox just wants to make sure we don't forget about ss

[primal horizon]

wrong place we're reviving one hour and twenty minutes

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/amog-us-among-us-among-us-imposter-imposter-meme-gif-22497337

[uncut citrus]

only if you would hop on

[twin bough]

Ew no i refuse to partake in that one

[uncut citrus]

btw hop on chess

[wooden quest]

I was finally forgetting!!!

[primal horizon]

yeah listen guys, if graig says something, it's nothing.

[wooden quest]

Fuck you xbox

[twin bough]

Hiiiii again reeves

[quartz cave]

I think theyre installing the wifi next week

[uncut citrus]

hi

[primal horizon]

install wifi? 🤨

routers are like a plugging deal

[sonic hamlet]

Yeah

[quartz cave]

I dont even have the router yet...

[sonic hamlet]

Xobx

[primal horizon]

like yeah wifi needs all this set-up and stuff but im not sure if it's installation

[quartz cave]

I mean like setting up all the stuff not plugging a router

[sonic hamlet]

It's nearly 1am I should go to bed

[quartz cave]

Thats just how we say it here

[sonic hamlet]

I have to get up in 6 hours

[stoic sigil]

I can't believe Xbox said Silksong is releasing in one second

[limpid nebula]

Rael

[primal horizon]

MODS! MODS! MISINFORMATION!!!! BAN!!!!!

[fiery burrow]

misinformation

[wooden quest]

There are no mods here kid [puts out cigar] this heres a lawless town

HYAH! AWAY, FRIDAY
[i ride into the sunset on my horse and fall off]

[fiery burrow]

what do these guys do I never understood

[wooden quest]

Theyre awesome

[primal horizon]

call moderators

[fiery burrow]

signal an airstrike?

[opaque sigil]

don't they attract vultures

[wooden quest]

Theyre the awesome guys who are good at being awesome

[fiery burrow]

oh I wasn't wrong

[limpid nebula]

They’re like whistles, when the laser turns green it means they’ve successfully called a vulture to the room

[last spoke]

M

[fiery burrow]

uhh so like why evolve vulture attracting capabilities

what is the gain in that

[limpid nebula]

I mean like 90% of the rw wildlife is probably modified in some way

[opaque sigil]

aren't they vulture babies

[limpid nebula]

So it probably wasn’t their choice

[limpid nebula]

Vultures eat the vulture grubs if there’s no other food around

[fiery burrow]

hamsters

[opaque sigil]

and?

[limpid nebula]

And also where did the laser go when it grows up

[opaque sigil]

shed it or something

[limpid nebula]

💀

[fiery burrow]

who modifying it to attract apex predators ⁉️

||Dont actually answer I dont want spoilers||

[limpid nebula]

Why would the vultures leave their babies on the ground

[opaque sigil]

given that they can summon vultures predators will learn to leave them alone

[fiery burrow]

the only thing I can conceptualize doing that is the gal I ate

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-looks-to-the-moon-slugcat-neuron-gif-26372107

[limpid nebula]

Plus the vulture grubs literally have no actual connection to vultures that isn’t their name or calling them

[opaque sigil]

they easily could

[limpid nebula]

Also we don’t exactly see any other baby variant of any other creature

[opaque sigil]

so?

[limpid nebula]

Except like noodles

[limpid nebula]

It’d be odd to have this near-useless larva vulture thing

[opaque sigil]

not really

[limpid nebula]

Noots have kids bc that’s basically their entire mechanic

[opaque sigil]

you're really not making any counterpoints

[limpid nebula]

And vulture grubs are almost exclusively found in enclosed rooms

Which means the parent either shoved it in there themself or it wriggled in

And like a good chunk of the grubs are dead pretty quickly

[opaque sigil]

none of those are counterpoints 😐

[limpid nebula]

Okay

[fiery burrow]

idk why you would assume they are vulture babies

[limpid nebula]

Why would they be vulture babies?

Apart from having vulture in their name

[opaque sigil]

they look larval and why would a prey animal summon a predator that isn't at all connected to them that they can't escape from

[limpid nebula]

They don’t summon vultures willingly

They only do it if they get thrown

[opaque sigil]

why would they do it at all

[limpid nebula]

Because like 90% of rw wildlife is modified in some way

Little to none of it is actually natural

[high hedge]

I also spawn vulture babies

[opaque sigil]

small creature has panic response that summons a larger creature to defend it it's really not that weird to propose that one is a parent

[last spoke]

Ispawn

[limpid nebula]

Yes, except said parent literally eats the child if there’s no actual predators

[opaque sigil]

that's not really uncommon

[limpid nebula]

Which Ik does happen irl but cmon

[high hedge]

I also eat my babies when stressed

[limpid nebula]

💀

[opaque sigil]

a lot of animals will

[cunning geode]

they’re vulture grubs

[limpid nebula]

Yeah that’s their name

[opaque sigil]

that seems like the obvious reading

[high hedge]

skull emojis stress me out,,,,,

[warm kindle]

Imagine the game release tomorrow but you dont have any money
Wait or see a full playthrough?

[limpid nebula]

I just don’t know how to explain it

[high hedge]

too many skulls,,,,,

[merry bridge]

kaixo luffy

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-cats-alf-kill-kittens-death-to-eating-gif-25009422

Aloha Emu

[fiery burrow]

insert the "I hate 🗿 " copypasta

[warm kindle]

💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀💀☠️
💀@high hedge☠️
💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️

[lone crown]

What’s going on

[fiery burrow]

wait duh

[high hedge]

NOW I'LL EAT YOU

[last spoke]

I will steal silksong

[opaque sigil]

I mean there are more than two options

[last spoke]

Like criming

[lone crown]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-dentist-dental-burger-gif-23656047

[warm kindle]

Im gonna burn your finger tips, cut you on 12 pieces and bury you deep in the woods

🎷🐛

[last spoke]

I agree

[limpid nebula]

Like, they’re found in enclosed rooms, in which case they quite literally couldn’t call their so called parent so it’s useless that they’re even in there if they were the kid of a vulture. I literally can just see vulture grubs being some sort of modified creature the ancients once used to call vultures, and then they just left them behind. The unfortunate ones drowning in the rain, and the lucky ones surviving in the enclosed little space they were left in.

[opaque sigil]

cut me on 12 pieces of what

[limpid nebula]

12 pieces of

Duh

[last spoke]

Mr gonna burn your finger tips, cut you on 12 pieces and bury you deep in the woods

[lone crown]

Who enjoys cutting their pizza into twelvths

Nobody I hope

[last spoke]

I take full bites outta the pizza pie

[limpid nebula]

You count the slices on your pizzas?

[last spoke]

Fr like I don even think about ts

[warm kindle]

We dont talk about de P word here mate, they will hear you

[last spoke]

Power ranger

[limpid nebula]

de

[warm kindle]

Now you fucking done it

[last spoke]

Aww shucks

[limpid nebula]

Pizza

[warm kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/584110602205790227/975468699794415626/HeySoIMadeAFakeModPingEmoteBruh.gif

Make him dissapear

[fiery burrow]

Piracy

[last spoke]

dang

@mids

[warm kindle]

@mids

[versed pollen]

Pilk

[fiery burrow]

More of a cilk fan tbh

maybe even silk

[limpid nebula]

Mid

[last spoke]

nah

milk personally

[limpid nebula]

How about some nice pilk

[shell yacht]

[warm kindle]

To be honest, if you pirate a game you will NOT buy the original anyway

[last spoke]

sure sure

[fiery burrow]

ehhh I mean if you are just checking out to see if it's worth your money you may

or if you really enjoy it

[opaque sigil]

it definitely happens

[last spoke]

Me personally I wouldnt

[limpid nebula]

I wouldn’t but I also don’t pirate games so

[last spoke]

If u gonna pirate just pirate fr

[fiery burrow]

yarrr

[versed pollen]

I pirate so many things do you guys want my quantum mechanics textbook

[last spoke]

Yeah!

[charred surge]

mfw when I go to the Piracy convention but it’s just a bunch of nerds taking about weird computer shit and there isn’t a swashbuckler or chest of gold in sight

[versed pollen]

Saved like $80 CAD pirating this shit

[limpid nebula]

😔😔😔

[last spoke]

shuddap landlubber

Pre virus pre virus

[versed pollen]

I also have an entire Linear Algebra textbook downloaded but that textbook is open source bc the prof is awesome

[fiery burrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/584110602205790227/975468699794415626/HeySoIMadeAFakeModPingEmoteBruh.gif

[limpid nebula]

Thanks

[last spoke]

Chat dead xdee

[versed pollen]

Died because everyone is reading my textbook (it's very interesting)

[opaque sigil]

bruh don't post that shit here if it's pirated

[limpid nebula]

💀

[charred surge]

https://tenor.com/view/v2-ultra-kill-dead-chat-gif-27002020

[versed pollen]

Why not