sk-discussion

[flat remnant]

bad art bad

[flat remnant]

well i was WRONG

[vale temple]

sof shading good

[hasty oar]

I didn’t even know you made art sof

[vale temple]

yeah i taught cat (real)

[flat remnant]

i was taught by the misery of life

here's an unfinished one i was doing lately

i need to fix that entire arm since it's bent awkwardly

[vale temple]

uhh simply remove the arms

[hasty oar]

That maneuver feels like it’d be especially risky with a guitar that is also an axe

Maybe I should try some fanart someday

[flat remnant]

you haven't done fanart before?

[hasty oar]

I have but not for a while

Not since I got decent at art

Although school means I won’t have time to practice and my skills are gonna plummet probably

[true vine]

I can only draw on paper

how does one do digital

[hasty oar]

Stabilizer and eraser tool

[flat remnant]

stabilizer <3

my life changed when someone showed me how to toggle it

[fiery burrow]

me when playing ToTK

but yeah stabilizer is neat

I have it turned up to nearly max delay

[flat remnant]

i do that for lines i absolutely can't mess up

and then i mess them up anyway

[hasty oar]

What sort of art do you do besides what you’ve shown us pengu

[fiery burrow]

eh I don't really want to show it until I get better

[hasty oar]

Fair

[flat remnant]

show anyway, we'll have a point of reference for when you actually do get really good

[twin bough]

YOU GUYS WILL NOT SEE MY ART FOR ATLEAST A MONTH!!!

[fiery burrow]

no thanks I'm not comfortable sharing

[hasty oar]

I feel compelled to post some of my art now

[flat remnant]

wait i just realized i've been getting better at stable lines at a length and size i want them without tools

[flat remnant]

understandable tbh

[hasty oar]

Here’s one I don’t think y’all have seen

[flat remnant]

when i was starting i used to only show out of necessity since i needed help

[flat remnant]

9

[fiery burrow]

Ooooh

[hasty oar]

9?

[true vine]

wazzat

[flat remnant]

weird sci-fi sock puppet movie

[flat remnant]

art tool that stabilizes lines so they get less wonky

[hasty oar]

Huh

He’s got minion goggles almost

That thing on the left looks pretty cool

[livid tree]

holy fucking shit

i didnt know anyone else knew about this film

[trim estuary]

NO MORE 9 POSTING

[hasty oar]

Is this a cult classic I was unaware of

[flat remnant]

i haven't watched it but i know it has a following

[livid tree]

its really

idk i dont think its amazing or nothing

it exists

[true vine]

cat here's a thingy I drew

[fiery burrow]

gnarly weapon

why did I say "gnarly"

[flat remnant]

yooo that's amazing

better than anything i can do yet 🥲

[true vine]

you're still better

I cannot for the life of me figure out digital

everything I draw looks like it's was done by a 2nd grader

[flat remnant]

you're just more used to paper since that's how you learned

[true vine]

[flat remnant]

i'm used to digital since i got my art start there (not counting drawings from when i was 4-12)

i'm taking traditional art classes in college to get better in general

[hasty oar]

Schnice

[true vine]

ooOOoo

[hasty oar]

Is it an existing character?

[true vine]

it was based off of a reference, yeah

I'm not yet good enough to draw original things well

[flat remnant]

aren't we all

[warped umbra]

Have you guys not heard about unity?

[flat remnant]

YES WE HAVE

[hasty oar]

My first impression was “hot”
…as in fire, not attractiveness

[warped umbra]

[true vine]

here's my void

[warped umbra]

So you DONT know about it

[true vine]

the cat is void

[hasty oar]

Like a demon of some sort

[flat remnant]

john are you trying more realistic art or stylized

[true vine]

stylized for the win

I tried realistic for a few years, wasn't my thing

[flat remnant]

i do stylized since i find it easier

[true vine]

I do it because it's both easier and less boring

[flat remnant]

though in class at some point we will have to draw human figures

[true vine]

oh dear

have fun with that

I only just started getting the hang of those maybe a month ago

and that's after like 4 or 5 years (of casual learning)

cah

[flat remnant]

mustache

[true vine]

the head was drawn by a friend of mine

[flat remnant]

i need to like actually draw again lmao

[true vine]

you're good at it

1 year for that amount of progress is insanity

[slim kestrel]

unity

[violet dune]

unity deez nuts lmao

[rotund aurora]

didn’t they close their offices

[trim estuary]

I don't get it

[fiery burrow]

can't earn profit for something that won't come out

[flat remnant]

zip do you know the whole yandere simulator thing

[trim estuary]

Yeah

[violet dune]

no

[flat remnant]

the betas came out and people downloaded them, i think they're still going to charge dev

[trim estuary]

That game is still in development⁉️

[fiery burrow]

unless the betas costed money it won't affect them

you need to earn 200k dollars in revenue for the changes to go into effect

[vale temple]

betas aren't charged I think

[flat remnant]

ah

[violet dune]

what is the game anyway

[flat remnant]

wait uh

[uncut citrus]

😔 i killed some pawns in front of a rook

[fiery burrow]

you kill people

[uncut citrus]

this demo is pretty fun but its late

[violet dune]

CHESS 2

[fiery burrow]

chess with guns ?!

[wheat sail]

Shotgun king omg

[flat remnant]

what game

[uncut citrus]

i had 10 pèower which is enough to one shot the enemy king

[livid tree]

northerion

[carmine island]

Unity moment

[fiery burrow]

thank you

[uncut citrus]

what Kirbstar saiod

[wheat sail]

Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony will pay the fees

[livid tree]

tomer bar zeev??? bruh from star wars

[wheat sail]

They aren't suing like people said

[flat remnant]

well

[wheat sail]

🤷

[uncut citrus]

reev????

[violet dune]

REEV

[fiery burrow]

hi chews are so good

[true vine]

follow up message

[gray parcel]

Monster

[fiery burrow]

pure delight

[cerulean sable]

you can run alll that you want to

[gray parcel]

[carmine island]

Francium

[cerulean sable]

but sooner or later im gonna cut you down

[flat remnant]

what if i wear stilts

[gray parcel]

Gabriel reference

[carmine island]

Eats the fucking chop chop fruit

I’d like to see you try

[violet dune]

[livid tree]

tomar bar zeev and schlomo dovrat sound like the seedy duo of hooded aliens that speak in unintelligible alien noise that give the protagonist intel in a space bar

[flat remnant]

mimisha and reev the background star wars aliens

[coarse leaf]

Finally got to yell at my incompetent older brother

I got to 3rd radiant phase for the first time and he’s yelling at me to do the dishes even tho he does nothing , I die , and go off , my mom was on my side.

[fiery burrow]

When did mom get so based?!

[flat remnant]

before i side with you do you do chores often and it was just this time your brother was being a jerk

[fiery burrow]

before i side with you is your older brother cool or lame

[twin bough]

STAR WAR MENTION

YIPEEEEE

[surreal remnant]

anybody else periodically get obsessed with every detail of chernobyl?

[fiery burrow]

no

[surreal remnant]

ok

[fiery burrow]

I'm only obsessed with HK

[covert root]

silksong is never happening

[twin bough]

Iroh holy shit

[fiery burrow]

Never going to change I hope

[surreal remnant]

what

[covert root]

who else has brought up the unity fee thing

rare silksong topic in ss discussion

[surreal remnant]

every other person in the server, at least twice

[twin bough]

You would never guess what i would randomly get an obsession about every year or so

[fiery burrow]

Literally everyone

[surreal remnant]

omg

[covert root]

im late to the party ig

[carmine island]

Yeah pretty much

[surreal remnant]

sometimes it's creepy how similar our interests are

[twin bough]

It hasnt happened in a few years

[hasty oar]

Chernobyl the event or Chernobyl the movie

[covert root]

whats up iroh long yime no see

[carmine island]

Everyone at this point

[surreal remnant]

Hiya alva

[twin bough]

But like holy shit i used to get it often

[surreal remnant]

i'm watching hbo's show on chernobyl

i hate when i press enter in the middle of typing a message

[true vine]

me going to choronobyl to nibble at the elephant's foot while the ukrainians are distracted

[flat remnant]

if someone new brings up unity one more time i'm going to lose it

[wary hornet]

Silksong delayed cause it’s being made on unity?

[surreal remnant]

rewatching actually, seen it before

[flat remnant]

GRRRRAHHHHHH

[fiery burrow]

me t

[surreal remnant]

no

[covert root]

probabky

[surreal remnant]

there hasn't been a single response by TC related to it

[covert root]

tc says nothing ever this shouldnt be shocking

[surreal remnant]

any statement pertaining to it made by members of the community are purely conjecture

[fiery burrow]

💔 (Edited by zippius)

[flat remnant]

Leth typo

[surreal remnant]

oh nvm

[true vine]

tc tends to just plug their ears and pretend nothing's happening regardless of the situation

[surreal remnant]

fuck

silksong really is never coming out

[fiery burrow]

It's fake dw

[surreal remnant]

OMFG SILK

[flat remnant]

they will port silksong to rpg maker

[surreal remnant]

BE SO FR

[coarse leaf]

I love carefree song

It helps me sense I’m garbage as dodging

[surreal remnant]

you had me scared for a sec

[fiery burrow]

I labeled it as fake idk what to tell you

[full rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675204322698461194/1151984187709063199/ek8i63zp79ob1.webp

silksong should follow suite

[heady iron]

ain't no way he used ass jim

oh it's fake

[hasty oar]

I wonder if there are any high-quality games that used block coding for parts and just nobody noticed

[fiery burrow]

(edited by zippius) 😭

[heady iron]

hollow knight

[hasty oar]

Predictable answer

-3 points

[fiery burrow]

Five nights at freddy's iirc

[flat remnant]

we've been here every night

[wary hornet]

Yeah unity is going up in flames

[hasty oar]

“I’ll be here always, folks”

[dark wagon]

LOL EVEN INNERSLOTH

[hasty oar]

It’s an EA person though and these are mostly indie devs

Without a total removal of the things they added it’s still a bad thing anyways

[tawdry valley]

We have an (lawyer) army
And we have an Amongi

[surreal remnant]

bye bye unity

[coarse leaf]

They bouta get ejected..

[full rune]

good meme lmao

[uncut citrus]

omg imma get a job

i'm an expert scratcher tbh

[full rune]

scrtchscrtchscrtchscrtchscrtch

[hasty oar]

I made a bunch of platformers in scratch when I was like 9

[hasty oar]

(None of them were any good)

[uncut citrus]

ME TOO

[heady iron]

no way it's pale court mod on linux

[uncut citrus]

i started scratch at 10 actually

wait

[hasty oar]

Gimme your account name so I can look up your stuff

[uncut citrus]

actually i was 9

it was in feb or something and i'm born in may

so it was before i was 10 omg bestie scratch starter

also i haven't touched it in years

except for yesterday when i showed a classmate my account because a game i made was named asteroid and we saw a game named asteroid and so it was relevant

also also my account name is like my full name so maybe i won't give it to you

[hasty oar]

Oh yeah that’s fair

[uncut citrus]

i do t have much in there anyways

i did most stuff the year i started, then started a few projects over the course of like 6 years but i didn't go far with any of them, last thing that i did was oct 2020

[twin bough]

June better smh

[flat remnant]

wait can music make you nauseous

[twin bough]

Theoretically

[uncut citrus]

nah because my cherries aren't ready yet in june

i win

anything can make you nauseous really

if you're feeling nauseous

[flat remnant]

wdym theorietically i just played sono 2 at 0.75 times speed and now i'm tired and nauseous

granted i'd been listening to it like

an hour beforehand

[twin bough]

By theoretically i mean yes its possible

People try to understand me challenge (impossible)

[flat remnant]

i can't think straight rn sorry alf

[twin bough]

No its me

Just stressed

I needa break

[uncut citrus]

theoretically does mean it's possible but also it shouldn't have to be theoretical, like it's pretty easily testable and provable

[flat remnant]

i have proven it it is provenable

no youtube that is not what i wanted :((

[twin bough]

Sorry

[coarse jasper]

is this real😭

[hasty oar]

Shepard tones could probably make you nauseous after a bit

[true vine]

no

[fiery burrow]

It literally says it's an edit man

nor would Team Cherry announce something with that image 😭

[gray parcel]

Or would they

[lone crown]

It would represent how ass Unity’s new policy is

[fiery burrow]

SHJRUE

[merry bridge]

hi gef

[lone crown]

Heolo

And goodbye (I need sleep)

[merry bridge]

cya

[lone crown]

This week is taking forever.

[gray parcel]

It’s almost Friday

[merry bridge]

almost

[flat remnant]

Adventure time has this habit of having absolutely fire designs and only using them for 2 episodes

[reef scarab]

I can’t believe they revealed hollow knight fishing simulator at the direct

[fiery burrow]

omg hyper light drifter is so good

[coarse leaf]

Can’t believe they revealed the binding of agent 8

[fiery burrow]

I feel awesome playing it

[high hedge]

(They can be more detailed because they won’t need to draw them as often)

I forgive you Gelato

Sad

[merry bridge]

kaixo luffy

and gelato

[high hedge]

Aloha Emu

[viscid gate]

Frfr

Did you know that fionna and cale already relased?

[high hedge]

Cat is still catching up

[coarse leaf]

Bye

[high hedge]

This is his first watchthrough

Gelato when characters aren’t wearing megaman hate shirts

[gray parcel]

Bro go eat something

[opaque sigil]

pep but did this man dirty

[patent viper]

Hi people

[fiery burrow]

hello

[olive bobcat]

Has Banban 9 been announced yet

[coarse leaf]

I don’t need the extra food

[gray parcel]

Nuh uh

[coarse leaf]

I love mega man

[gray parcel]

How will you hibernate mate

[coarse leaf]

He is mega

[coarse leaf]

I’ll eats lizor

[gray parcel]

[olive bobcat]

Fionna and Cake spoilers
||NO WONDER WINTER KING SOUNDED SO FAMILIAR, IT'S FUCKING BDG||

[opaque sigil]

yeah that was jarring

[merry bridge]

44 dollars for a plushie

dang thats expensive

[opaque sigil]

he was a pretty good fit though

the right vibe

[languid linden]

Wtf

[olive bobcat]

Yeah he killed it

I just thought it was Tom Kenny doing an accent or smth since it sounded familiar

[cerulean sable]

let us talk about boss quality/distribution

so everytime i see a tier list

HK bosses tends to have like 20-25% of the roster be in the "really fucking good" category

[patent viper]

Lets talk William pellen lore

[cerulean sable]

while the rest is more or less "theyre just there" or out right being labeled as bad

[trim estuary]

They glow in the dark its worth it

[trim estuary]

https://twitter.com/wilboooo/status/1690957769334206464

wilbop (@wilboooo)

You can’t get killed by the same lightning bolt twice

Twitter · Aug 14, 2023, 5:25 AM

[cerulean sable]

now this isnt a discussion that difficulty == a better boss though there is some correlation to it to some extent

[gray parcel]

What?

[languid linden]

Lowkey most HK bosses are mid at best

[gray parcel]

I wanted a Rain world lizard plushie

[smoky nebula]

Ttaco I love your PFP

[opaque sigil]

simpler bosses don't hold up well in comparison to more complex ones

[languid linden]

50 bucks bro for one plushie

[opaque sigil]

and you basically have to have some simpler bosses to ease players in though hk had probably more than necessary

[gray parcel]

The plushie is like a foot an a half long

[languid linden]

I may or may not have just bought 2 sour patches and a bag of chips

[trim estuary]

You havent seen nothin yet

[patent viper]

Who wants to discuss Ari Gibson. Lore

[cerulean sable]

but for Silksong, are you fine that some bosses are more or less just filler "mini bosses" or would you prefer they cut down the overall amount of bosses but instead have a higher quality in general

ie instead of having
"10 solid fights at the cost of 40 mediocre ones, SS has 20 solid fights, period"

[languid linden]

Bro the vending machines at my rec are SOOO cheap

[trim estuary]

https://twitter.com/wilboooo/status/1689284905975349248

wilbop (@wilboooo)

Me: how about… dog matrix
Friend A: what’s that?
Me: dog version of the matrix
Friend B: oh my god, that’s him. that’s the REAL wilboo!!
(Takes out a huge gun and shoots my clone)

Twitter · Aug 9, 2023, 2:38 PM

[languid linden]

70 cents for a bag of sour patch

[patent viper]

Yo i will pay u to ship me some

[gray parcel]

[opaque sigil]

I mean we know they have at least some mini boss type things and including them as simple tool unlocks or as quest enemies would also be a fine way to handle them

[gray parcel]

That’s how they get you man

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

[languid linden]

Bro

Idgaf my metabolism can tank

[opaque sigil]

not every boss needs to be super involved some can just be noteworthy encounters

[cerulean sable]

overall not every fight has to be high end

[opaque sigil]

and if they all are that would be a bit exhausting

[patent viper]

Anyone want to talk Jack Vine Lore? ?? ?? ?

[cerulean sable]

my only hope is that the main line bosses are the highlights

[opaque sigil]

yeah that would be good, in general HK does that too

[languid linden]

I fucking bet you I could eat everything ok one of the vending machines over the course of like 3 days and have the same weight a week later

[cerulean sable]

no but id prefer you not trying to derail this, thanks

[languid linden]

In practice that would destroy my intestines but like

[gray parcel]

Still need to eat healthy man 😭😭

[cerulean sable]

yeah for mainline HK its a mixed bag

[languid linden]

I eat healthy and unhealthy!

[cerulean sable]

most of the best boss you see in tier lists are end game bosses

[opaque sigil]

of the fights we've seen it's hard to say which are main progression fights but Lace is certainly a better one, Seth also looks like a great fight but it's hard to say if he's mainline

[cerulean sable]

Yeah Lace is a really good stepup

she has good Hornet parallels and i hope they keep it up for major fights

[opaque sigil]

Lace 1 does make it seem like tc is maybe taking the training wheels off a bit which opens up more of the game to have more complex bosses

[cerulean sable]

yup yup

i do think they should push Lace at around 3rd or 4th boss

though 4th might be pushing it too far

3rd i think is a good spot

1st is moss mother and 2nd would be a major mini boss or maybe the bell beast

[opaque sigil]

bell beast is def before lace

[chilly nexus]

I'm most excited for the lace-style bosses where it's a fast-paced 1v1 with little reprieve. Bosses like PV in HK, what Seth looks to be like, Lady Maria in Bloodborne

[frozen pike]

Bell beast?

[chilly nexus]

bell beast is the fast travel unlocking boss so very very early yeah

[trim estuary]

yknow, the bell beast. shes cool

[cerulean sable]

i like 1v1 style duels but i hope TC doesnt over do it except for like 6-8 bosses to make them feel special

[heady iron]

it's hard to pul off small and fun bosses imo

[frozen pike]

Ohh the stag for silksong

[fiery burrow]

bell beast is a girl?

[opaque sigil]

kind of? Hornet was pretty fun though

[trim estuary]

i hope TC makes more bosses like the mantis lrods thatd be cool i think

[trim estuary]

magazine said it .... maybe idk

[chilly nexus]

Ye, I don't think we'll get many "true" bosses in that style, like the last judge is a 1v1 but completely different genre of fight

[gray parcel]

I’m excited for her full ost

Also can’t wait to bully her first fight

[trim estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914367541961424907.webp?size=48&name=Clueless&quality=lossless

[opaque sigil]

lj has enough of a size differential to feel different

[chilly nexus]

It's also the pacing

[gray parcel]

We actually kill lace

[frozen pike]

If we get hornet's parry, it's over for lace

[cerulean sable]

you know that meme of:

me when i fight huge demon god fucker of the abyss "oh thank god"
me when i fight a guy named 'The Captain' "oh shit"

yeah those fights are special with how limited they are, doing everything into duel fights can get a bit repetitive

[chilly nexus]

tlj is a move outputter, not something coming at you the same way you come at it

[opaque sigil]

you can't spam it

[frozen pike]

I don't need to

If the parry fails just dodge it

[opaque sigil]

you would need to to trivialize the fight

[chilly nexus]

Bloodborne did it well with gascoigne, maria, the last boss (base), and all the other hunter bosses feeling unique ye

TLJ is kinda like a phase 2 ludwig

[trim estuary]

Press B to roll

[opaque sigil]

you can't, lace's attacks that deal multiple masks will always do multiple masks if they hit you once

[cerulean sable]

YEAH

yeah

[opaque sigil]

if you parry and flub the timing you're taking full damage

pretty sure your controls are locked

[fiery burrow]

bell beast...
belle beast...
Beauty and the beast?

[cerulean sable]

honestly i prefer not having a spammable ability like that anyway

[chilly nexus]

note that we haven't seen lace's attacks do 2 masks at once in a true fashion. Lace's parry, if you hit her, does two masks one at a time in very quick succession

[cerulean sable]

i prefer it when 70% of your combat is dictated by regular attacks especially given Hornet's new moveset

[opaque sigil]

that is exactly the same as doing 2 masks at once

[cerulean sable]

not "spam DDark" which while it does look cool, i prefer having mechanical maneuers over spammable abilities

[frozen pike]

I've been training 5 years so I can parry attacks

[opaque sigil]

it does not matter whether it's in one tick or two, that is purely cosmetic

[gray parcel]

Normal bosses in bloodborne:
Humanoid bosses:

[chilly nexus]

you can avoid the 2nd hit if you're fast

[opaque sigil]

you can't

you're locked in place

[chilly nexus]

humanoid bosses are so fun

but the humanoid enemies i don't enjoy which is funny

[opaque sigil]

if lace hits you with an attack that does 2+ masks it will do the full damage

[frozen pike]

I'm very excited to do a hunt quest

[opaque sigil]

the hunt quests just seem like combat rooms which is fine but not too exciting

[frozen pike]

Maybe it will be like monster hunter

[gray parcel]

Other hunter enemies are annoying

[chilly nexus]

I literally have no idea how the quests and quest management system will work which is fantastic

[gray parcel]

Like bro wtf we got the same goal

[chilly nexus]

the guy in old yharnam with the machine gun

[gray parcel]

Durja?

You can actually befriend him

[chilly nexus]

whaaaaaat

[opaque sigil]

drill tool exists but also ddark is kind of stupid strong anyways so I wouldn't miss it

[frozen pike]

If I can't invade other people's worlds in silksong, I'm not playing it.

[chilly nexus]

I think I pished him off the tower

[gray parcel]

Everyone does

[opaque sigil]

some shit probably is spammable as long as you can sustain it

[gray parcel]

But if you go through Yar har goul he won’t Argo and actually talk to you

[chilly nexus]

Ah

Bloodborne is such a well put together world

[opaque sigil]

like you can spam the parry, you can spam gs, it's just not efficient or fun

maybe gs a bit less so

[chilly nexus]

I can't think of a game that immersed you as well as it that I've played recently

[opaque sigil]

leaves you vulnerable

[gray parcel]

Dark souls 3

[chilly nexus]

na DS3 didn't put me in it really

[gray parcel]

Really?

[chilly nexus]

yeah

[languid linden]

I think you suck at video games then tbh imo

[gray parcel]

It’s my personal fav in the series

You know this

[chilly nexus]

DS3 is my fave of the souls yah

[carmine coral]

bog

[chilly nexus]

it's great, I just mean compared to bloodborne's world and flavour

[opaque sigil]

@cerulean sable what do you count as a 1v1 style duel, does carmelitia count

[chilly nexus]

the guy guarding old yharnam, the note on the door, the clinic, the everything everywhere

[cerulean sable]

hmmm

[opaque sigil]

assuming she doesn't have adds which she might

[chilly nexus]

all of the world hints at what the world is and what's coming

[cerulean sable]

i guess its more like, 1v1 fights of a similar size with a similar speed in moveset as you

[chilly nexus]

ds3 is more something you play through without knowing what to expect

[cerulean sable]

kinda like an "equal" fight

i guess?

[opaque sigil]

yeah but where's the cutoff

[cerulean sable]

now i think about it 1v1 fights is very loosely defined

[opaque sigil]

like I assume Seth counts but he's a bit taller and can teleport around

[cerulean sable]

honestly even i cant define it precisely

its more a feel thing

[chilly nexus]

I think the key is that the enemy's move output rate and recovery time is close to your own character's

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[opal dew]

In the elden ring dlc I will appear as a boss

[opaque sigil]

yeah I'm not asking for a precise definition just a general threshold, is carmelitia in that range

[cerulean sable]

hence the speed thing

[chilly nexus]

ye

[cerulean sable]

hmm

honestly kinda no for me?

but its hard to tell

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[chilly nexus]

PV wouldn't fit that I guess yeah

[cerulean sable]

cuz weve seen like what, 2 snippets of it

yeah i dont count PV

[chilly nexus]

PV I kinda see as a Dancer of the Boreal Valley parallel boss

[opaque sigil]

hk doesn't have many duel bosses

[cerulean sable]

Hornet is probably a better metric and Hive Knight attacks way too slowly

[opaque sigil]

hk is also very slow so duel bosses would be out of place mostly

[gray parcel]

Really? It’s more like an Artorias fight if anything

[chilly nexus]

Sisters of Battle I'd count

that works too yeah

[opaque sigil]

sisters of battle is very different, they don't really even occupy the battlefield like a normal boss

[cobalt sigil]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

as fun as sob is it's a pretty janky fight concept and oro and mato do the concept way better because they're both actual combatants and not hazards that materialize momentarily

[patent viper]

Has anyone here taken AP ECON

[gray parcel]

Mm yes the hollow knight server, the best place for school help

[patent viper]

Simply yes

[half flint]

ap economy O_O

[patent viper]

Yeah who’s taken it

[heady iron]

grape

[patent viper]

Is that ur dog

[heady iron]

I think lace feels out of place in deep docks

[lusty horizon]

Yes

[patent viper]

My pfp is my dog

[half flint]

i like your dog they are very cute

[opaque sigil]

she's not from there or anything so that makes sense

[lusty horizon]

She isss

Also a terrible one

Her being a chihuahua

[opaque sigil]

she's not a deep docks resident she's someone from elsewhere who came there to wait for hornet

[lusty horizon]

Small little gremlins

[patent viper]

Rate my dog

[heady iron]

final game the layout will likely be rearranged heavily but she's literally just plopped in a room

[opaque sigil]

no that's probably where her first fight actually is

[half flint]

this is my cat shes very lovely!!

[opaque sigil]

hornet didn't really fit into greenpath either and the same reasons apply

[half flint]

also average chihuahua LMAO

[opaque sigil]

lace doesn't look like she belongs there but she also just doesn't belong there

[hollow terrace]

Mugshot kitten photos!!!!!

[wheat sail]

Looks happy

[heady iron]

you see her follow you for many rooms

[atomic sparrow]

erm.. she looks evil.

[opaque sigil]

that's not really relevant

the point is those rooms where you fight lace and hornet don't feel curated for them but it would also be weird if they were

[half flint]

looks evil but has a heart of gold

[atomic sparrow]

proof ?

[heady iron]

it does, there's buildup, Lace is just there

[opaque sigil]

It's an ambush

[heady iron]

there'll hopefully be some padding as indication of a fight

[half flint]

shes the only cat that doesnt steal my food

[heady iron]

what ambush, she's just there

[opaque sigil]

you have to go get a key to access it, there's a bench right there, it's pretty easy to predict a fight coming

[half flint]

she will, infact, walk over the food so she can watch me cook

[opaque sigil]

waiting to cut hornet off from ascending

[olive bobcat]

Bro in comp SBR called me gay cause I killed him and his partner

[opaque sigil]

homophobes amirite

[merry bridge]

hi aluo

[olive bobcat]

SCR pluck and Soft & Wet, no reason they should've lost to a TA4 + boxing defense

[analog vortex]

Hi chat

[heady iron]

standing around ain't an ambush

[opaque sigil]

she's waiting for hornet to come to her so she can attack her

[opal dew]

Sbr?

[opaque sigil]

it's an ambush in that sense

[heady iron]

then it's a challenge

[olive bobcat]

Steel Ball Run, part 7 of JoJo and also a gamemode in a Roblox game called YBA

[atomic sparrow]

thoughts on this cat ?:

[opaque sigil]

it's not really a challenge since there's no ability of hornet to decline

[opal dew]

Imagine being a jojo fan and being homophobic like bro did we read the same manga

[opaque sigil]

lace is just planning on murdering hornet when she shows up

[heady iron]

not in a gameplay sense

[olive bobcat]

[trim estuary]

MAXWELL!

[olive bobcat]

Man I only won another arm

I was last player alive in the lobby btw

[atomic sparrow]

HIS NAME IS UNI

[opaque sigil]

not in any sense, she doesn't give hornet a way to say no

[atomic sparrow]

horse

[olive bobcat]

They call me Falling for a reason

[analog vortex]

Nice horse

[analog vortex]

Failing*

[olive bobcat]

Andy did you see they're reworking SBR

[heady iron]

hornet literally tells her to raise her weapon

[half flint]

i love uni 11/10

[heady iron]

it's a consensual fight

she's not being backed into a wall

[atomic sparrow]

based

[opaque sigil]

yes hornet would not decline a fight if given the choice but she didn't instigate and wasn't given the choice to say not

[atomic sparrow]

yes

[opaque sigil]

the door closes behind her and hornet has no choice but to kill lace to proceed

[hollow terrace]

Imagine if there was a yes or no

[marsh ibex]

also Lace literally says she’s gonna murder Hornet

Hornet basically tells her to shut up and fight

[hollow terrace]

“No hold on I need to find a bench and cash out”

[opal dew]

There was this guy named maxwell who killed people with a hammer it's fucked up

[heady iron]

wait this is deviating

[opaque sigil]

"I'm going to kill you"
"just shut up and do it if you're going to do it"
that's not hornet wanting a fight it's her not wanting to be bothered unnecessarily before the inevitable fight that she didn't choose

[opal dew]

Window why is ur pfp spooky

[heady iron]

I wonder if the flies would be a good indicator that she's an upcoming boss

[opaque sigil]

they wouldn't really serve as that

[olive bobcat]

Shit I think the YBA Discord removed the channel that shows SBR wins

[opaque sigil]

it would be a fine environmental detail but it wouldn't communicate the presence of a boss

[atomic sparrow]

trolled

[trim estuary]

He sounds super based

[merry bridge]

hi zip

[olive bobcat]

I was gonna count my wins to determine how much horse feed I have in heat resist

[trim estuary]

Hi Emu

[olive bobcat]

Cause it's pretty half and half

[opaque sigil]

these are certainly words

[opal dew]

It's not funny he was a real dude maxwell edison

[trim estuary]

What

[atomic sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868779414673031208/1147571695675244584/image0.gif

[hollow terrace]

Because

[opal dew]

Yeah he killed person with a hammer

[olive bobcat]

Oh yeah that hammer, the silver one, the one that came down upon her head

[opaque sigil]

bang bang maxwell's silver hammer came down upon his heeeead

[opal dew]

It's September

[trim estuary]

NOT THE BEATLES AGAIN

[opaque sigil]

bang bang maxwell's silver hammer came down, and he was deeeead

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-mccartney-jumpscare-jumpscare-paul-mccartney-the-beatles-jumpscare-the-beatles-gif-26239786

[opal dew]

Best song on abbey road

[cerulean sable]

honestly though do you think Lace is just a placeholder at that point?

[heady iron]

imo

[cerulean sable]

but they coded the ember particle effects blowing up during her slam, but still

[heady iron]

It can still be in deep docks, just needs more tell

[olive bobcat]

Boutta cook

[opaque sigil]

no? that arena's been seen with her in the initial trailer and it would be completely insane to put her there when she isn't in the actual game

[cerulean sable]

like either shes a place holder, she was going to be fought there but on the final game she isnt anymore, or thats just her place

[opaque sigil]

lace is definitely fought there

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

[atomic sparrow]

now we're talking

[opaque sigil]

or at least was meant to be and there's no reason to think that would change

[cerulean sable]

though they have been focusing on the shot on the flower field

[opaque sigil]

it's also pretty clearly a plot significant even given the songshrine so having some random would make no sense

[cerulean sable]

im guessing it just looks way better in the promotionals

fair enough

[olive bobcat]

Andy we should play comp SBR so you can help me get to the end before I betray you

[atomic sparrow]

I 😬 don't like playing sbr

I don't like yba combat

[opaque sigil]

yeah the flower fight is more striking in a lot of ways and probably more of a climactic encounter so it would get more focus

[olive bobcat]

YBA combat is certainly goofy

I buffer it by being a TA4 player

Look at this guy

[cerulean sable]

hey guys i know roblox is cool and all but, can we at least talk about Silksong for a while here?

[olive bobcat]

I didn't notice there was a SS discussion going on I just saw you talking

[cerulean sable]

like HK-offtopic would be nice

[opal dew]

When the silksong discussion has discussion about silksong

[opaque sigil]

it seems wild to propose that lace isn't actually fought in that arena because the room that has no actual connection to her narratively other than purely incidental doesn't like have her face drawn on the wall or something

[cerulean sable]

Yeah promotional wise theyve gone hard with it (thought im not a fan of the background blurring compared to the original)

[indigo forge]

Guys is silk song out yet it's been years

[cerulean sable]

this is just on hypotheticals ofc, its less so that shes a placeholder but more of its been 5 years and things can change

[heady iron]

I'm not expecting it to be that obvious ofc

seems like the embers in the giant fight are the same as in deep docks

[opaque sigil]

I'm sure they reuse particles whenever they can

[cerulean sable]

like personally i dont think shes out of place in Deep Docks, it makes sense for her to intercept Hornet there and the effects are obviously coded for her, just that a potential for isnt unlikely

oh

[hollow terrace]

Im on my anti-tammo’s specific argument hour therefore im saying lace IS a placeholder demo boss but they liked it so much they changed the deep dock layout to allow lace fit in more naturally or let players see her before the fight

[cerulean sable]

giant had embers too right?

i didnt remember

[opaque sigil]

it also slams stuff into lava

so yeah

[heady iron]

the embers are floating freely

[cerulean sable]

Ahhh yeah yeah

[cunning geode]

like me!

[cerulean sable]

they can just emit it on the spot during Lace's slam event

like burst the particles out

[opaque sigil]

I guess

[cerulean sable]

eitherway i dont mind her being fought there

[heady iron]

oh they even burst from the giant during its roar

[cerulean sable]

i think shes a good mainline boss to teach newer players not to fuck around the game

[opaque sigil]

I'm sure they reuse the embers many times

[chilly nexus]

I can see that for sure yeah
too great an opportunity to skip including the hornet-analgous boss in the demo

I don't see TC making a demo where Lace isn't included

[opaque sigil]

if it was just a demo conceit she wouldn't have been there in the trailer

[heady iron]

I wonder if they use a deflector during roars to push away particles

[cerulean sable]

we can tell once the game is out

but eitherway yeah its one of my main complaints about HK

the game is open so this is part of sideffect

but HK mainline feels wobbly with the difficulty spikes

[chilly nexus]

not specific to roars, but I hope there are bosses that can interact with your projectiles like that

[opaque sigil]

wk vs uumuu being around the same stage

[heady iron]

doesn't lace hit away your knives

[opaque sigil]

yes

[atomic sparrow]

doesn't lace fight you in the silksong demo ?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[heady iron]

in the 2019 trailer there's a scene where the embers are pointed to the top left but are floating vertically up

[hollow terrace]

I mean they could made up scenes for the trailer per say and really thought the lace fight in a orange background struck out, all in super hypotheticals

[heady iron]

literally unplayable

[chilly nexus]

Ah wait, there was a particle interaction with lace's slam and the lava coming up, so she was likely at least initially designed for the lava arena

[opaque sigil]

if she wasn't there wouldn't be her in that arena in the reveal trailer

[heady iron]

where's the unusually high quality demo video

[cerulean sable]

so say lets go on the average, and try to do a moderate mainline run, you get (the metric is based on a more casual player's point of view gunning for main ending)

Gruz Mother - 1/5
False Knight - 1/5
Hornet - 3/5 (lets be real here shes a known wall to a lot of players)
Soul Master - 2.5/5 (kinda infamous for the runbacks for the more casual playerbase)
Mantis Lords - 2.5/5 (same as above)
Dung Defender - 2/5
Xero - 2/5
Uumuu - 2/5
Watcher Knights - 5/5
THK - 2.5/5

[heady iron]

I remember there being a 1080p video, can only find a 720p one

[cerulean sable]

and inbetween those can be variable so its long stretches of it

forgot dung def

[opaque sigil]

well thk is a weird case sort of necessitated by how rad is implemented, if ss doesn't have ending 2 locked behind the same boss (with an additional boss after that) it can make its thk analogue not a complete joke

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

i actually hope we dont get another one similar

make the mainline boss difficult but make the "true" wtv equilavent boss they want integrated and fought from another way

[opaque sigil]

yeah it kind of held thk back in a major way and made rad more annoying

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats my main critic too

so make the mainline boss close to something like WK in terms of difficulty
then make the alt ending boss accessible from a different area and fought in a different way

ofc when i meant WK difficulty i dont mean = same format

[opaque sigil]

or even accessible from the same area and just a different method

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

like instead of breaking thk out of the chains you can just dn it

[cerulean sable]

in HK terms this could be done like, say, dream enabling a dream nail trap before you enter the arena or wtv

[heady iron]

haiku had a separate true boss in a whole different area

[cerulean sable]

wait there was an alt ending?

i did the typical 3 dreamer shtick and killed the final boss

or wasnt that it?

[heady iron]

the teleporting box guy mentions that the virus wasn't the true source or something

there's a 3 creators fight

don't remember why they became evil, I wasn't paying attention

the virus took me like 5 tries but I first tried the creators

[cerulean sable]

Ahh yeah i did that

i remember now

yeah i killed the virus thing

[heady iron]

I hope we get an enemy that can transition between rooms

[coarse leaf]

People die to xero?

You can leave his effective area and heal without despawning him

[heady iron]

dead space hunter style

[opaque sigil]

I hope ss does a way better job of making ending 2 unlock conditions less grindy

[coarse leaf]

That would be horrifying

I hope there is a jumpscare

With the fnaf noise

[opaque sigil]

The essence grind is a pretty inane thing to have and it’s not really communicated at all that it’s a main component of progression

[coarse leaf]

Besides the one line of dialogue from moth

[opaque sigil]

It’s like if you needed a certain number of grubs at some point

[olive bobcat]

SS will present with a box of text asking if you'd like ending 1 or 2 before the final boss

[coarse leaf]

He says “ the more essence you collect, the sharper the blade becomes.“

[heady iron]

I would've never reached te or godhome if I hadn't watched vinny play through it

[opaque sigil]

Her dialogue doesn’t really indicate that it’s necessary to get the other ending

[cerulean sable]

but yeah its hard to create a linear series of boss quality because the game is very open, but with specific "choke points" they can probably do it and place their higher quality bosses there

HK already did have some good chokepoint bosses like
Mantis Lords > Deepnest
Dung Def > CoT East
Soul Master > Crystal Peaks

[coarse leaf]

I want to fight the final boss with sherma

[opaque sigil]

You know you’re enhancing the dream nail but as far as it’s indicated that’s for its own purpose

[coarse leaf]

Well I kinda figured it out when I tried to enter the white palace without the sharpened nail

[cerulean sable]

i think my main issue is literally just Uumuu lmao

it sticks out like a sore thumb

[coarse leaf]

I hate uumuu

[cerulean sable]

its just a very very, eh boss

[heady iron]

it's a metroid reference, of course it's going to be bad

[cerulean sable]

TREU

[opaque sigil]

Uumuu is a very very simple movement challenge moreso than a boss

[coarse leaf]

My favorite boss is probably sentinel hornet

Most cinematic fight

[cerulean sable]

Hornet 2 is a pretty cool chokepoint boss for the Abyss and the late game stuff

[coarse leaf]

And the line “ learn this kingdom’s past, and claim responsibility for its future”

[opaque sigil]

Hornet 2 is a lot of fun and the context for it is pretty neat but mechanically my favorite is pv, h2 is maybe a second

[cerulean sable]

honestly though

boss fights are the last thing im concerned about Silksong

[coarse leaf]

My mechanically favorite is dung defender

FAAAAAARFUUUUUNDAAAAA

[heady iron]

yeah modders are gonna create betters versions anyway

[opaque sigil]

Mob combat is the thing that really needs to be fixed so my attention tends to drift more towards that

[cerulean sable]

they did a really good job with all of the DLC bosses except for maybe Flying Nosk because that one existed for the novelty

[coarse leaf]

I suck at radiance

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[coarse leaf]

It’s 3rd phase scares me and I’ve only gotten to it once

[cerulean sable]

HK gets praised for the combat

[opaque sigil]

The sly great slash hit box:

[coarse leaf]

It just spams my 2nd worst attack!!!

[cerulean sable]

but its usually in regards to the bosses or the colloseum

outside during general traversal, the mob combat is fine

[opaque sigil]

HK mob combat peaks in greenpath with moss knights

[heady iron]

wilbo probably accidentally dragged a Point2D on a PolygonCollider2D too high up and then said fuck it

[cerulean sable]

not particularly engaging but it isnt bad either

[coarse leaf]

My favorite mob to fight is the soul guys in soul sanctum

I actually struggle with them

[cerulean sable]

the good news is they acknowledged this so its not an issue, combat, art, areas and music are the parts of the game im not even worried about

im mostly worried about the narrative and the content bloat at this rate tbh

[cerulean sable]

honestly Godmaster has a huge effort, but i dont mind them just going through and just finishing it for the sake of getting Silksong on the road

[opaque sigil]

When most content is optional and organically discoverable bloat isn’t a huge issue

[cerulean sable]

ive seen people complain the game is too large for its own good though

[opaque sigil]

I mean

They haven’t played it

[cerulean sable]

no i mean even people who finished it

[opaque sigil]

Oh you mean HK

[heady iron]

the main campaign should be under 10 hours long solely so that vinny will like it

[coarse leaf]

I like games with big content

I love games where I can get lost in its world

[opaque sigil]

I think part of it is that playing it as a completionist isn’t really intended

[coarse leaf]

I’m more afraid how fast we are gonna be able to go.

[cerulean sable]

"HK is too bloated for its own good, its repetitive and you traverse through similar look environments"

now i dont agree with the similar look but i can see where theyre coming from, and i like the openness of it because really makes you feel in the world, but my guess its the moment to moment gameplay, and the pacing (something i often see complained about HK)

moment to moment being ofc, mob combat and the knight's traversal

[opaque sigil]

HK has some big issues with overusing color schemes (most notably blue)

Well ig arguably not an issue, it does make sense even if it’s samey

[cerulean sable]

yeah, i dont agree with them saying the game is samey, BUT it does use subdued bluish colors very often

[coarse leaf]

All I ever see is people complaining about backtracking

Which I think that’s just ppl not liking the metroidvania genre

[opaque sigil]

Those people shouldn’t be playing a metroidvania

[hollow terrace]

Bone forest might’ve really offset the whole blue palette

[opaque sigil]

HK is also fairly generous with stag stations

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it, it’s not like hk doesn’t have non blue areas

[hollow terrace]

Sigh silksong will now have to carry the burden of having a reddish palette

[cerulean sable]

ive actually seen someone complain about Silksong as well

saying theyre kinda dissapointed because it doesnt fix the main issue with HK's artstyle that its still very dark in colors that its causing things to look the same

which is, honestly at this point i disagree, the darker colors is what gives the game that type of "mood" and come on its a lot more fucking vibrant than HK, sure i can get the darker pallete sentiment but its no way "all look the same"

[coarse leaf]

Aka the GREEN area

[heady iron]

Me on my way to walk 15 minutes back to the abyss after dying pre hd update

[opaque sigil]

SS has waaaay more variation in the color schemes

[cerulean sable]

seriously

[opaque sigil]

Like did they even watch the trailers

[cerulean sable]

they did, i remember this was on R Metroidvania's Silksong Xbox trailer post

[fleet temple]

A thing I've noticed is that a lot of people seem to only really talk about the bosses in hk when recommending it to people

[opaque sigil]

The Xbox one is pretty dark but I’m hoping that was some sort of filter or deliberate selection of areas fitting that bill

[cerulean sable]

Also a big thing is the rock textures

like the floor textures i mean

[heady iron]

There wasn't anything from the coral area iirc

[cerulean sable]

yeah sure the platforms and what not are often using the greyish color palette but the textures are entirely different

[heady iron]

They're a lot smaller and more dense

Well, crossroads rocks are probably around the same size

[cerulean sable]

like yeah i get the criticism that it looks too dark but no way do they all look the samey

YEAH YEAH

the floor/wall textures in Silksong are a lot more detailed than the ones in HK

its one of the few things why despite the similar artstyle, SS looks way better than HK but you cant put your finger on it

plus the newer color pallete also adds up

and besides, i like the darker color palette, it gives the game the darker atmosphere, without it being held back by the "samey" feel because theyre not using the bluish/cold palette again

[hollow terrace]

They somehow used greyish green to look so interesting

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[violet path]

Mornin

[atomic sparrow]

ari gibson

[fleet temple]

I think the trailer just showed mainly dark areas

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah that too

i actually prefer they hide the vibrant areas, though we did see the citadel area

which was pretty vibrant

[fleet temple]

yeah

[heady iron]

The assets also look appropriately scaled and not scaled up willy nilly and then antialiased to shit

[cerulean sable]

i dont wanna start that arguement again but i do think the blur needs a bit less aggressiveness to it

[fleet temple]

kinda reminds me of blasphemous tbh

[cerulean sable]

didnt they draw HK at 2k apparently?

[subtle lynx]

there seems to be very few blues besides in that coral area

[atomic sparrow]

ari pellen ?

[subtle lynx]

but those trailers are fom ages ago, the game could have changed a lot. And we could have just seen very few areas as well

[cerulean sable]

i mean the used vectors too which im not really that well versed to art but, vectors should scale regardless of how high you put them right?

[fleet temple]

Hopefully TC has recieved some of these complaints

[hollow terrace]

Mhm

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah, the trailer just really focused on the darker areas, and i actually prefer this because that way once you do see the big lighter areas, you can see a larger difference

[subtle lynx]

besides, these colors sprotray the "industrial" theme very well

[hollow terrace]

But it requires a lot of processing power

[heady iron]

I think unity imports vectors to rasters

[subtle lynx]

I think those were relatively early game areas. Like the forgotten roads and greenpath versions of ss

[cerulean sable]

yeye

[subtle lynx]

so that's why they look samey

[cerulean sable]

which is why im also confused

i get the HK complaints due to the bluish hue

but SS apparently gave him the impression that it suffers the same issue despite the earlier trailer??

[full rune]

who is raster

[subtle lynx]

I do have to say, if all of the game looks like that. It would end up being uglier than hk

[cerulean sable]

from what i understand the complaints is in 2 forms

1. the way to make the environment feels unique from each other
2. platform visibility

[subtle lynx]

what do you mean by platform visibility?

[cerulean sable]

yeah which is why i like that they moved to another kingdom so they can go apeshit with the ideas
i really really really dislike the community's fixation fo going back to Hallownest

youre getting an entirely new kingdom with its own set of history and culture, with new environments and areas, and youre telling the most excited thing you are for Silksong is some secret passage way leading you back to Hallownest so you can fight the Shade Lord?

come on dude

[cerulean sable]

its a complaint in HK is sometimes you dont know if a platform is part of the world or not, if you can step on it i mean

[cerulean sable]

the only time this happened to me was the CoT elevator section

[dusk quail]

Flying nosk was kinda there for lore purposes

[subtle lynx]

I understand liking the hk theme more (which is what I do) but I'm personally totally exited to explore farloom

[cerulean sable]

yeah Nosk felt more like "oh hey remember that leaked concept art thing? well its here now!"

yeah yeah

theres nothing wrong prefering HK's world

[subtle lynx]

ah, I don't remember having that issue at all

[cerulean sable]

its just that im annoyed you are finally going to relive the experience of exploring this new world and the only thing youre most excited for is hoping you go back to it

[subtle lynx]

oh yeah, I hated how they hid nosk that badly. I had to look it up on yt how to get to him lol

[cerulean sable]

its like if i lived in the USA, went to any other countries, and the first thing you think of is "God I cant wait to eat at a McDonalds"

[subtle lynx]

but I'd assume they won't hide stuff that much in ss

[dusk quail]

He was a secret boss tho

[subtle lynx]

I agree

[subtle lynx]

It is hidden as if it was a diary. It is super easy to miss and you would never know of its existence otherwise

and it is a shame since missing a boss isn't cool

[cerulean sable]

for whats it worth, it was a nice surprise contained on pretty much a Vengefly King AI, but it is what it is

[dusk quail]

Yeah, to be fair, the only way you'd know about is the hall of gods and the fake knight appearances

(replying to fratute)

[subtle lynx]

fake knight appears only once I think

[sinful flare]

raster interlacetale

[subtle lynx]

(without counting entering nosk's area)

[dusk quail]

Yes

[subtle lynx]

and you would be missing a pale ore

and you would end up googling up where it is ig

[fleet temple]

people tend to forget that this is Hollow Knight: Silksong, not Hollow Knight 2

[cerulean sable]

yeah i feel like for a sequel it HAS to contain characters to the first game

and by characters i mean expecting half of the cast to show up again

[fleet temple]

not necessarily

[cerulean sable]

because nothing makes me more giddy than forcing characters to be in a place just so the devs can say "THIS IS AWESOME RIGHT YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER SOMEWHAT SURVIVED AND NOW HES HERE "

cameo obsession

[fleet temple]

you mean pandering

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats a better word for it

[quartz cave]

Hornet gets kidnapped and sent to the moon
Cornifer: oh what a casiality! Ive somehow found a spaceship that unwillingly brought me into the moon! Anyways heres your fucking map, 93 rosaries

[cerulean sable]

really though id prefer if HK mention is like, barely at the minimum, not everything needs to be explained (ehem backrooms)

[fleet temple]

I think some people just wanted a totk style hk sequel that ties up every single loose end in a nice little bow

[frigid karma]

I don't see how hallownest connects to pharloom beyond hornet's ties to the weavers so i doubt they'll be brought up beyond that

[cerulean sable]

yeah well fuck Hallownest, PK and his shithole is rotting now for all i care 😎

The future is Pharloom babeeyyyyyy

[cerulean sable]

youd be surprised

[coarse leaf]

Anybody know if Kirby and the forgotten land is worth it?

[frigid karma]

It has carby

[cerulean sable]

ive seen enough people saying they hope theres a tunnel that leads back to Hallownest so you can fight the Shade Lord

or you drop to a hole and the next thing you know underneath it all is Hallownest

[indigo nymph]

quirrel didnt die, he was just seeing if his mom would care if he'd drowned

[coarse leaf]

I love carby..

[fleet temple]

that's right, a ncompletely brand new kingdom
just like in dark souls 2

[coarse leaf]

We don’t even know if he drowned

[frigid karma]

Jesus that's a long ass tunnel

[coarse leaf]

I personally believe he went on to live as a grave keeper in the spirits glade

[frigid karma]

Carby is a grave keeper?

[fleet temple]

he probably didn't drown, he probably just withered away of old age

[coarse leaf]

Quirrel

Quirrel goes on to live with the moth and is a gravekeeper , that’s my personal lore

[quartz cave]

[coarse leaf]

Since team cherry says they want people to make their own assumptions and weave their own stories from the games

[frigid karma]

Tc approves of copium fueled theories where everyone is happy

[crisp drift]

Unlike those pesky lore regulars that keeps telling there's the ""correct lore"" smh smh 🙄.

[coarse leaf]

I’m not one of those people

[old wren]

weave
silk reference

[unkempt agate]

Are any of the team cherry employees actually even part of this server

Do they even hear our cries

[quartz cave]

Yes

[coarse leaf]

I accept the canon ending as the one where the knight gets sealed away and hallownest falls

[crisp drift]

Consider red names.

[old wren]

the only correct lore is canon 😂

[frigid karma]

Graig's there ig

[quartz cave]

Isnt graig the only not red name cherey member

[frigid karma]

Let me headcanon them being happy in peace ddammit

[coarse leaf]

Reference

Jojo refrence
Jojo references songs
Song reference

[quartz cave]

And ig simo

[fleet temple]

they are, just the main 3 aren't active

[old wren]

we will know for sure if silksong is a sequel

[crisp drift]

Well not for sure.

[tawdry igloo]

I can’t open graigs thingy he sent in pins, also. I can’t believe team cherry has spoken out about the unity thing

[old wren]

song
sound reference
real life reference

[quartz cave]

What if the starting citscene is the one from the trailer

Fuck you hk never existed

[unkempt agate]

These where better times...

[crisp drift]

They can definitely pull you'll never know it's a sequel or prequel type of thing.

[unkempt agate]

I actually remembered to turn off the ping this time

[coarse leaf]

Real life
Life
First living thing
Adam
Bible reference

[frigid karma]

Life
Like lives in games
Video game reference

[coarse leaf]

They probably will

[old wren]

Bible
creation
cosmos
origin
everything reference

[coarse leaf]

They said they don’t like true endings , so they might also be against timelines

[quartz cave]

Uhm i think id be able to see hornets house and his wife lace in hk, ahw wouldnt just abandon her and their 4 kids

[old wren]

hollow knight

[fleet temple]

hehe

[old wren]

holonite*

[quartz cave]

i suppose you meant havent lmao

[crisp drift]

Or would she?

[coarse leaf]

She abandons her little half brother to die lol

She would

[frigid karma]

Hornet dies of tb

[quartz cave]

Nah the vows were literally "if we ever get 3 kilimoters away from eachother we inmediately die

[coarse leaf]

Tuberculosis?

[frigid karma]

Ye

[fleet temple]

I mean personally I can believe they haven't

[old wren]

terbium?

[frigid karma]

What

[crisp drift]

The distance from Hallownest to Pharloom could be less than 3 km.

[coarse leaf]

I headcanon that quirrel let’s go of his path of the warrior and goes and becomes gay with the moth

[quartz cave]

3 bug kilometers

From greempath to city and shes death

[frigid karma]

GAY BUGS LET'S GOOOO

[old wren]

i headcanon quirrel is alive

[quartz cave]

[old wren]

false
misinformation
copium

[quartz cave]

[quiet knot]

Cope and seethe

[quartz cave]

Hes

DEAD

Stop denying it

[fleet temple]

who tf even likes quirrel

[indigo nymph]

hes just sleeping

[coarse leaf]

The moth and quirrel go on to be gays and escape hollownest after the knight gets sealed away and ends any chance of stopping the infection

[old wren]

squirrel

[coarse leaf]

Not onscreen, not proven.

[fleet temple]

the moth dies tho

[quartz cave]

Hk fans when a character doesnt want to inmediatelly kill you
OMG I LOVE THEM SO MUCH BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPOEBED TI MEDBF F FKFNFJFIFO

[coarse leaf]

Wait Wut

[subtle lynx]

maybe it will, as we have the weavers here

[frigid karma]

Not if you don't collect essence

[coarse leaf]

WAIT THE MOTH DIES?

[quartz cave]

What about the fack that his nail sprite is named "death_nail" or something similar

[fleet temple]

well there's still more unexplained stuff aside from the weavers

[old wren]

truth
when i first played hk i didn't get any of the hype around hornet because she was so rude

[coarse leaf]

I’m on switch, I can’t read files 🥱

[fleet temple]

talk to her with 2400 essence

[old wren]

the erm
the erm nail is spiritually dead to be never used again

[subtle lynx]

they spoke about it?

[quartz cave]

Guess what, switch has files inside it

[quartz cave]

Cope police youre detained

[coarse leaf]

I didn’t get that much in my first play through and I’m accepting everything from it as canon

[frigid karma]

He quite literally says he'll be moving on from this world and explodes

[quartz cave]

No

[old wren]

yeah he is 100% dead

sad though

[subtle lynx]

what I meant, is that there are parts from hk here, the weavers are an example and obivously hornet. So we can get more stuff

[coarse leaf]

NOOO

[quartz cave]

Too late

[coarse leaf]

Never getting all the essence

I can’t kill my boy

[old wren]

you know the rules, and so do i

[fleet temple]

I guess but I really hope we don't
I feel like it would detract from the main story of ss

[quartz cave]

More like you know hes dead, and so does literally everyone else

[fleet temple]

*girl

[frigid karma]

Trans it's him now

[old wren]

i guess i have to "say goodbye" then 😂

[coarse leaf]

Actually if I’m calling everything from my first playthrough canon mato is awfully depressed cause I never found him lol

[coarse leaf]

Wha!!

[old wren]

seer is female fr

[fleet temple]

yeah, seer is female

[coarse leaf]

I didn’t know that

[quartz cave]

Doesnt even know shes a girl calls it their fav

[shell yacht]

i thought the topic was quirrel

[subtle lynx]

we might just get some backstory of the weavers since they seem to come from this world. And maybe hornet will talk about how she came here and that would include the godhome ending. I don't expect much else.

[quartz cave]

[frigid karma]

Yeah seer is female but gay bugs was a funny so i called her he

[old wren]

squirrel

[coarse leaf]

Nope it’s how to canonically twist the story to make it so quirrel and the moth live

[coarse leaf]

I did not know that

[fleet temple]

Yeah exactly, only stuff related to hornet

[quartz cave]

[shell yacht]

theyre just dead

forever

[coarse leaf]

Nuh uh

[old wren]

the moth used dreamgate powers!