sk-discussion

[formal iris]

Nuh uh.

[marsh ibex]

what is this…

luffy?

[trim estuary]

It’s a patch for mother 3

[marsh ibex]

monke d luffy

[sinful flare]

uhh
mother 3 english fanmade patch

[trim estuary]

No

[marsh ibex]

idc it’s mother 3 no one has it

Not even nintendo

[sinful flare]

True..

[vale temple]

your mother 3

[marsh ibex]

Also I need access to my uni acc but it got locked

and I can’t unlock it until tomorrow apparently

And school starts tomorrow

I might be boned

[sinful flare]

blame the uni

[marsh ibex]

I blame kaan for this

I mean yes

The uni…

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/khan-kirk-startrek-william-shatner-yelling-gif-5575846

[formal iris]

I’d say kaan is the cause of everything wrong in life

[kindred pewter]

kaan is the reason I lost my best engineer run he ended me by spawning two overloading elder lemurians

[obtuse glacier]

[formal iris]

(I’m gonna blame kaan for my random downloaded html file disappearing from my school computer for no reason

(I kinda needed the file)

[coarse leaf]

Welp

It’s settled

[sinful flare]

L

[coarse leaf]

Forced to gym

[sinful flare]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-fuck-up-middle-finger-undertale-gif-17721001

[kindred pewter]

it's not a skill issue I was trapped

[formal iris]

Oh wait you aren’t dead

[sage glade]

shut up LOOOZER

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-rap-wd-gaster-wingblings-wd-gaster-rap-gaster-rapping-gif-26169076

[sinful flare]

🔥

[stoic sigil]

Chat We've awoken the hive

[patent heath]

Why does the moon look cubic in that image?

[stoic sigil]

I dunno

[sage glade]

where do you see cubes

[tulip edge]

Illuminati confirmed 😱

[sinful flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZBmPAnoy8

[violet dune]

daily reminder to play hi fi rush

[sage glade]

how

[patent heath]

Real.

[sinful flare]

medic's quick fix doesnt mirror demoknight advanced charges 😔

otherwise seems like a fun weapon

[flint pivot]

Brrooooooooooooooooooooo

I want silksong already

Also I swear if quirrel isn't the second playable character I'm gonna be pissed

[manic abyss]

squirrel needs his own game

[opaque sigil]

be pissed then ig

[sinful flare]

imo its very unlikely for quirrel to be in silksong, also hornet dlc had to transform into silksong and quirrel dlc wasnt funded in kickstarter so we most certainly wont get one (tldr cry about it)

[opaque sigil]

quirrel wasn't even on the kickstarter

[sinful flare]

oh weird

[opaque sigil]

it was zote

[sinful flare]

oh yeah

[marsh ibex]

ah yes

[sinful flare]

well my point stands

[marsh ibex]

another playable character for the dlc that was for another playable character

Checks out

[opaque sigil]

also quirrel is dead after hk and didn't know hornet before it so completely impossible for them to meet in ss

[marsh ibex]

also building the world and abilities around Hornet specifically would require a huge overhaul of everything mechanically for a second playable char

[manic abyss]

Silksong prequel...?

[marsh ibex]

Even simple reskins and different sprites

[wet tulip]

how we know for sure quirrel is dead?

[opaque sigil]

no but just accounting for every wrong argument even if it's wrong

[manic abyss]

I want a Quirrel game tho

[marsh ibex]

also quirrel is dead after hk and didn't know hornet before it so completely impossible for them to meet in ss

[opaque sigil]

what he says and common sense

[manic abyss]

I don't want Quirrel as part of a second playable character, I want a whole Quirrel game about his travels outside of Hallownest

[marsh ibex]

Something something tidetale

[wet tulip]

like, what if he just got "retired"

[smoky nebula]

In those endless wastelands‽

[wet tulip]

why does it have to be death

[marsh ibex]

so, died?

[manic abyss]

could be he found another kingdom

[opaque sigil]

quirrel is old beyond his lifespan, only sustained by the mask which he no longer has, and ditched his weapon which by his own words is necessary to survive

[wet tulip]

retired not dead

[exotic geyser]

i cant imagine anyone surviving in hallownest if they dont have a weapon

[dusty nimbus]

Correct, he permanently retired to the afterlife

[marsh ibex]

potato pohtahtoe

[manic abyss]

I like to imagine he went for a little swim......

and the drowned

[smoky nebula]

The dead need not be burdened with such things

[marsh ibex]

he very much alludes to his death

[opaque sigil]

also that yes

[marsh ibex]

his voice changes upon giving the mask, showing rapid aging

He also immediately collapses upon giving it

[manic abyss]

so he just turned into dust?

[marsh ibex]

He leaves his nail, with what alba said

and file names aren’t canon but the final nail in the coffin

[opaque sigil]

probably not turning into dust but he's pretty much definitely dead

[marsh ibex]

quirrel_death_nail

[wanton eagle]

[dusty nimbus]

C' mon it's only logical outcome is that Quirrel is just in the party with Tiso,Mila and NKG vibing

Leg eater is not invited so he's dead

[smoky nebula]

I think cloth and the person cloth is looking for are also vibing there

[dusty nimbus]

Yup most definitely

[quiet token]

can't wait to meet Arm muncher, leg eaters brother in silksong

[dusty nimbus]

As well as seer being by the fruit punch

[dusty nimbus]

What would their father's name be?

Hannibal Lester?

[flint pivot]

Well, well...

I'll have to give team cherry some incentive

Jk jk

But fr tho I'd totally buy a quirrel game

Like I would pay full price (60 dollars)

I'm sure plenty of people feel the same too

[wet tulip]

nah

not the triple A full price

[flint pivot]

I would

They wouldn't make their game that expensive anyways tho

[flint pivot]

Bro, we literally see tisos dead body

And quirrel is like an old man

So yeah if we did get a quirrel game it would be a prequel

A prequirrel

[uncut citrus]

frick

uhhhhh

a rushed DSSDQR is forever bad but a delayed DSSDQR is eventually good????

[glacial socket]

Quirrel is alive.
Nothing will convince me otherwise because I'll cry

[heady iron]

weep

bawl, even

[flat remnant]

Hi reev

[uncut citrus]

uhi...

[dusty nimbus]

Nah, he's just blackout drunk idk what you're talking about

[coarse leaf]

Burnt 450 cal in 30 min

[flint pivot]

Yeah, as much as I want quirrel to still be alive

Quirrel_Death_Nail

[dusty nimbus]

This definitely means he's become a death knight and can't logically insinuate something more logical

[flint pivot]

oh of course, that makes so much more sense

Fr tho quirrel is dead

And even if he wasnt

He's older than elder bug

But tbf everyone is so

[dusty nimbus]

Elder bug is just an ordinary dude in his defense

[flint pivot]

Yeah

[dusty nimbus]

The fact he's survived this long is impressive

[flint pivot]

Hey

Maybe we'll get an elderbug game

[coarse leaf]

How do we know quarrel is ded

[wet tulip]

thats what they want you to think

[dusty nimbus]

Cause he died

[flint pivot]

Because he left his nail behind

Obviously you guys know nothing about quirrel

[coarse leaf]

Ok and

Maybe he just didn’t feel like fighting

[flint pivot]

If you really knew him then you'd know that he would never willingly leave his nail behind

[dusty nimbus]

To become a death knight you have to first die

[languid linden]

Literally the nail sprite has the word death in it

[coarse leaf]

Found a better place to recover

[languid linden]

He's fucking gone

[flint pivot]

Bro

His corpse is at the bottom of the blue lake

[dusty nimbus]

Recover from what? Aging?

[languid linden]

Not to mention the narrative highly suggesting his death

[wet tulip]

its completely fine to think of the possibility that he is not dead, like whats the problem

[flint pivot]

Yeah I mean he literally completed his life purpose

[wet tulip]

even if it looks the opposite

[shell yacht]

hes dead, and not in the lake

[flint pivot]

BUT

[dusty nimbus]

I'd like to think he just disintegrated and got mixed with the lake raining down upon the citadel

[flint pivot]

Oh that is a nice though

BUT ANYWAYS

Guys listen to me when I say this

Quirrel left hallownest for a long time

[wet tulip]

its safe to assume that he is dead, but how do you know not in the lake?

[flint pivot]

Who's to say he didn't go to a different kingdom

[coarse leaf]

Wouldn’t we see his corpse

[dusty nimbus]

Who's to say he didn't head to the library once more?

[flint pivot]

And if he DID go to a different kingdom that's the perfect opportunity for team cherry to make a game about him

[flint pivot]

Um the fact that he isn't there

[uncut citrus]

Today we are reviewing our 177th ss-discussion quote

[coarse leaf]

Reeves I have a new quote for you

[shell yacht]

hes not in the lake because thats purely from the suicide drowning meme, hes got no reason to do so

[dusty nimbus]

The game isn't 3d so he could be in some unknown study inside the library

[uncut citrus]

GIVE

[flint pivot]

Bruh

[flint pivot]

Ok fr tho this theory does kind of make sense

[coarse leaf]

Dm?

[opaque sigil]

he could be in the lake, he could be the next room over, he could be behind a rock, he could be a lot of places and it doesn't really matter where

[flint pivot]

But him being dead make smore sense but still

[shell yacht]

bug corpses float

[flint pivot]

Hey maybe the quirrel game will just be like audible or something

[opaque sigil]

they sink in cot

[dusty nimbus]

I agree, no matter where it's the same impact based on the quarrel we experienced

[wet tulip]

quirrel is just spending the rest of his life, not dead

[flint pivot]

How much rest of his life is there tho

[opaque sigil]

corpses float or sink depending on the corpse or whatever other factors, doesn't really matter what they are quirrel could be on either side of that

[shell yacht]

cot bugs are full of money

[flint pivot]

He's an old man

[wet tulip]

an old not dead man

[opaque sigil]

not if you kill them and smack their body in

[dusty nimbus]

"We introduce to you the new quirrel game sponsored by audible "

[shell yacht]

hes dead

[pastel whale]

We talking about dead quirrel?

[flint pivot]

Lol

Dude

Holy shit there's so much cool things quirrel could do

[opaque sigil]

there's not a definitive answer of where quirrel's corpse is and there doesn't have to be, there are obviously some extremes that are implausible but in the lake isn't one of them

[flint pivot]

Like in Metroid when you turn into the ball

Because he's a rolly polly

[dusty nimbus]

Ball bug?

[pastel whale]

Quirrel is a boat

[flint pivot]

Or like in sonic where you do the ball air dash thing

[flint pivot]

What

[wet tulip]

QuirrelBoat

[dusty nimbus]

No that's Zote's unique attribute

[opaque sigil]

if nailsmith could've ended up in junk pit via the water then quirrel could've ended up in city or junk pit or even in acid in fw or ke

[pastel whale]

Haven't you seen the clip

[flint pivot]

Nope

[dusty nimbus]

[quiet token]

i wish we could dreamnail quirrel and fight his ghost

[wet tulip]

true

[marsh ibex]

Would be ez fight

[vale temple]

joker

[opaque sigil]

would probably be pretty similar to revek

[flint pivot]

Bro

[wet tulip]

nature somehow moved the quirrel corpse to the abyss

[pastel whale]

Boat

[flint pivot]

What?

[vale temple]

boat

[opaque sigil]

boats in ss should function exactly like this

[flint pivot]

BRUH

[flint pivot]

But it's just squirrels corpse

Ok also

Is ss a prequel or sequel?!?

[opaque sigil]

probably a sequel, not technically confirmed

[flint pivot]

Yeah I think so too

Also how did hornet get captured?

[vale temple]

rare time an hk meme is good

[opaque sigil]

if it was a prequel I can't imagine why tc would explicitly say that she lost her abilities from hk

[pastel whale]

Only good meme

[flint pivot]

Yeah

[dusty nimbus]

With the power of plot Armour I summon hornet_captured.jpeg

[dull jasper]

Either they plucked her out of the black egg temple, which isn't too big of a challenge given her powers were drained, or idk laid a good trap

[vale temple]

plot convenience obviously

[opaque sigil]

probably caught off guard or something, may have been a larger party sent to catch her than actually returned

[flint pivot]

Hopefully we'll get some clues as to who TF the distant villagers are too

[fiery burrow]

do you have the quote?

[opaque sigil]

yes gimme a moment

[real basalt]

We'll learn it, the hornet capturing

[flint pivot]

Yeah, yk sometimes I forget that silksong will actually be a game

[opaque sigil]

"PART OF WHAT HORNET’S DOING IS SHE’S LOST HER TRADITIONAL STRENGTH ... AND THE WEAVERS, OR WHAT’S LEFT OF THEM, ARE HELPING HER RE[STORE IT]"

website was being weird

[fiery burrow]

thanks

[opaque sigil]

she also alludes to the sting shards when talking to forge daughter, which are the spike balls in the second fight

[real basalt]

Also you have that in the Silksong trailer she throws a grenade, which she doesn't use in HK
Weird how she'd just stop using them, especially if she wanted to test the knight's strength

[flat remnant]

The rain stopped

[flint pivot]

Also why did tc name her hornet if her dad is a wyrm and her mom is a THICK spider

[flint pivot]

Yeah true

[fiery burrow]

She was originally going to be trained by Vespa

[real basalt]

🤷

[real basalt]

TIL

[flint pivot]

Actually?

[opaque sigil]

Hornet: If you are as talented as you suggest, would you lend me your aid, if only briefly? I’ve lacked for my usual tools, and I suspect you could craft fine replacements.

Forge-Daughter: Blades and traps, no doubt? I know your type!

Hornet: Of sorts, but maybe strange to this land? Some would likely prove fine challenge for your craft.

[real basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[fiery burrow]

Yeah it's cut content however

Vespa to Hornet was intentional. There was an old concept here that may still apply: Hornet was the 'Child of Three Queens,' one birthed, one raised, one trained. It is from the third queen that Hornet took her name. Whether that notion still applies however, I can't confirm, though it was definitely the basis for the names.

[opaque sigil]

yeah it's an old cut concept presumably back from when the hive was originally near deepnest

in the final game it was the weavers who raised and trained her

[fiery burrow]

in universe it could be because she uses a needle or "stinger" as Hunter calls it

[flint pivot]

Huh that does make sense

[manic abyss]

oh boy

[real basalt]

Makes sense
Herrah birthed
WL raised
Vespa trained

[dull jasper]

Everything in the game makes sense

Especially godhome lore

[manic abyss]

in 6hours I'll be going to school for the first time in over a year

[real basalt]

Apart from the poor design of the Warrior Dreams

[manic abyss]

and I am anxious and scared

[flint pivot]

Oh yeah wl I was thinking midwife although she isn't a queen

[real basalt]

[fiery burrow]

o7

[vale temple]

the only poor designs about warrior dreams are their battles, excluding markoth

[flint pivot]

...

[flint pivot]

Really?

[mighty plinth]

Wait is the corpse actually there

[real basalt]

who the hell even is midwife

[flint pivot]

Actually no you're right

[opaque sigil]

No

[real basalt]

Markoth sucks

[pastel whale]

No

[wet tulip]

Godhome best addition to the game fr fr

[flint pivot]

The lady that has a face that opens up like Funtime fucking Freddy and she tries to eat you

[real basalt]

No one's disagreeing as you can see

[vale temple]

I do

[mighty plinth]

There are no entities in hallownest named as markoth since i said so

[opaque sigil]

Godhome is bad as an endgame but would be fine as a postgame

[flint pivot]

I wish xero had a nail or something

[real basalt]

Well I say there is
It's in updog's page

[opaque sigil]

Xero has nails that’s what he throws at you

[flint pivot]

It is a post game, goober

[flint pivot]

I mean in the traditional sense

[wet tulip]

what do you define as a post game?

[vale temple]

hk has no postgame

[opaque sigil]

If only it didn’t have an ending or lock content behind tedious shit

[real basalt]

He means like pv style

[flint pivot]

I mean kinda

[twin smelt]

its also an end game technically because of the ending their

[fiery burrow]

why is locking an ending behind a boss rush a bad thing

[flint pivot]

True

[mighty plinth]

In my theory xero was a nail collector

[real basalt]

I mean, it does reward those who beat P5...
But i do understand

[pastel whale]

Sus discord friend request

[opaque sigil]

Because it legitimizes it

[vale temple]

i think you're bad + you suck + get good + skill issue

[opaque sigil]

You don’t have to reward people for that

[real basalt]

🤨

[flint pivot]

It's not only because it's not the actual main ending

[real basalt]

then waht do you get?

[quiet token]

really difficult and intresting puzzle, solution: ||Nxe6 fxe6 Rxe6 Qxe6 Bxd5 pinning the queen||

[opaque sigil]

You get to have beaten p5

[fiery burrow]

yeah locking a bad ending behind a boss rush is terrible but I disagree with any ending locked behind a boss rush being bad

[pastel whale]

I got one, no idea who they are

[twin smelt]

nothin

[flint pivot]

Lol true

[vale temple]

actually you get a perfect game on steam

[opaque sigil]

If it actually made sense from a mechanical or narrative perspective than maybe

[flint pivot]

I remember it took me a week to first beat broken vessel

[real basalt]

Thing is, the whole story of Godhome is structured around the pantheons with PoH being the end

[opaque sigil]

So?

[real basalt]

You have to end the story...

[flint pivot]

And when I first tried to get through the hive I started crying when I had to restart all the way at the beginning

[mighty plinth]

I dont speak wingdings

[real basalt]

I heard someone say that maybe having checkpoints would work though. P5 still sucks

[opaque sigil]

The story ends when you beat p5

[flint pivot]

Or does it

[twin smelt]

i can beat the hollow knight boss in 30 seconds

[pastel whale]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-disappear-gasterpeared-undertale-gif-23212822

[flint pivot]

Yeah it's not that hard

[wet tulip]

P5 is fun

[opaque sigil]

It doesn’t need an ending to the game, the troupe didn’t have one either and that story ended

[vale temple]

you get benches what more do you want

[flint pivot]

The hollow knight is one of the easier bosses tbh

[twin smelt]

ye

[marsh ibex]

the benches don’t function as checkpoints

[real basalt]

I do guess that locking an ending is annoying
although I think it's got to do with it being the ultimate challenge, and the final hk expansion

[marsh ibex]

They’re just resting areas

[twin smelt]

fax

[opaque sigil]

THK is deliberately an easy fight, it’s just a soul battery really

[marsh ibex]

and places to change tour charms

[flint pivot]

The whole point of pantheons are that they are a boss rush

[real basalt]

@marsh ibex Exactly

[vale temple]

why do you need a checkpoint just get better

[flint pivot]

Meaning you beat the IN SUCESSION

[marsh ibex]

Ok and?

[real basalt]

Just have a death count
And a seperate achievement for 0 deaths

[marsh ibex]

Half of the boss rush is filler garbage

[flint pivot]

Ok and

[dull jasper]

If you do it with lategame equipment yes, try doing it with any% equipment

[twin smelt]

it toom me an hour to beat radience

[marsh ibex]

easy ass fights that you muck through to deal with the actual difficult ones

[wet tulip]

they locked an ending behind a difficult part of the game, thats crazy

[flint pivot]

True

[twin smelt]

fax

[marsh ibex]

there’s a difference between difficulty and unnecessary padding

[real basalt]

Is this sarcasm

[marsh ibex]

P5 is filled with the latter

[flint pivot]

I'm leaving there's too much going on here and it's my fault

[wet tulip]

but it is fun

[real basalt]

Yeah, the dreams suck
I forget they exist sometimes

[marsh ibex]

Half of it is fun

[opaque sigil]

mfw they just keep dupe bosses for no reason

[wet tulip]

i never was sarcastic

[marsh ibex]

The other half is filler unnecessary garbage

[vale temple]

p5 is free

[twin smelt]

yes

[real basalt]

the game's supposed to be difficult...

[fiery burrow]

if it was all sisters of battle stuff maybe P5 would be fun

[marsh ibex]

to be frank there was zero reason to tie godhome to the main story and that’s the only reason an ending was locked behind it

[wet tulip]

sorry i was indeed being sarcastic, i confused myself

[opaque sigil]

And it doesn’t help that the ending is just awful

[dull jasper]

Wdym, do you not enjoy beating 20 easy bosses to have a shot at the rest

[real basalt]

I feel like the problem is the fact that those bosses aren't well designed, if they were well thought out it'd be fine

[fiery burrow]

oh do you mean 40

[real basalt]

here you go friends this is why p5 sucks

[marsh ibex]

Like idk just toss some of the dupe bosses

[opaque sigil]

It’s not about design it’s about throwing early game bosses that are necessarily easier to fight at you and then throwing copies of those at you before you can actually get to the later game, more engaging fights

[marsh ibex]

why do we need broken vessel at all

it’s actually braindead just have only lost kin

[pastel whale]

It should all just be GPZ tbh

[wet tulip]

i argue that the bosses are well designed but thats just me

[real basalt]

They could've just kicked out all the filler and said 'only the strongest gods are in the Pantheon of Hallownest!!!'

[dull jasper]

Just keep the last 10 bosses

[real basalt]

(Warrior Dreams and Vengefly King)

[wet tulip]

dont see any problem

[real basalt]

Keep a selection of the hardest bosses in the game

[marsh ibex]

you’d get the same amount of engagement from p5 and half of my criticisms would be gone

[dull jasper]

Winged Nosk is so great

[twin smelt]

its infected like a zombie also why not

[opaque sigil]

You’d get more engagement because it would actually be fun

[marsh ibex]

probably

less of an issue with length as well

[real basalt]

Yeah, it's not overly drawn out

[twin smelt]

and lost kin would have to be easy then

[marsh ibex]

people don’t like retrying p5 because it’s so long

[marsh ibex]

what

[real basalt]

why i'm taking a break from the game

[marsh ibex]

I’m saying there’s no reason to have dupe bosses like broken vessel and lost kin in the same pantheon

[smoky nebula]

Lost kin would still be lost kin which is already easy

[marsh ibex]

it’s just artificial lengthening of an annoying part of the game

[opaque sigil]

Lost Kin isn’t hard but it’s at least engaging unlike bv which is kind of just bleh once you’ve done it enough

[twin smelt]

ok by that logic yes

[dull jasper]

What's the other half? Lore reasons?

[wet tulip]

i do have to agree with this, its pointless

[vale temple]

that's for every boss

[heady iron]

They should've put nosk, thk, and regular radiance into p5

[marsh ibex]

That would be funny

[tulip edge]

Does queen have to take e6?

[marsh ibex]

And by funny I mean I don’t think I’d ever try p5 again

[fiery burrow]

They should've cut the godhome music and just play the regular boss music, it gets stale after a while

[opaque sigil]

Some of them stay fun for loner

[real basalt]

troll the lore nerds

[wet tulip]

that would be cake walk

[twin smelt]

YeS

[vale temple]

joker did you know calamity has a boss rush

[twin smelt]

i would replay p5

[marsh ibex]

Honestly I get “oh you can already infinitely retry thk and vanilla rad”

But like

Why are they not options in hog

cmon

[quiet token]

the queen has no contact with e6, wdym

oh wait

[opaque sigil]

the one time they let the lore win out

[real basalt]

think its lore
PV and Absrad

[twin smelt]

prob because its a dream or smthin

[quiet token]

you mean the black queen

[marsh ibex]

that doesn’t mattee

That’s more of a reason to have them in there

[twin smelt]

matter

[unique elbow]

p5 makes sense thematically but in terms of actual gameplay it would be much better if it was just like, the harder half

[twin smelt]

true

[real basalt]

What do you think of this:

1. B. Mawlek
2. Oblobbles
3. W. Nosk
4. G. Tamer
5. Sisters
   Break
6. Watchers
7. Uumuu
8. H. Sentinel
9. T. Lord
10. GPZ
    Break

[opaque sigil]

Both Rad and pv are only attuned at pantheon peak in their enhanced forms

[marsh ibex]

yes lore wise it wouldn’t make sensd but godhome is something they majorly included for like, the people who asked for refights and boss rushes

[unique elbow]

ye

[opaque sigil]

Which is why the decision is still questionable

[twin smelt]

all of soul bosses are easy in my opinon

[quiet token]

if the black queen doesnt take e6 then ||the bishop takes d5 anyway||

[real basalt]

11. Lost Kin
12. Soul Tyrant
13. Failed Champion
14. W. Defender
15. NKG

[marsh ibex]

godhome is nice for what it is but a lot of decisions the devs made for it was

questionable

and I don’t like talking about godhome lore

[opaque sigil]

P5 is really the only one that’s just not even worth doing

[real basalt]

Break
16. Oro Mato
17. Sheo
18. GNS
19. PV
20. (HEAL) AbsRad

What do you think of reworked P5

[vale temple]

it's shit

[quiet token]

yeah they started making silksong around the time godmaster was made right

[opaque sigil]

NKG then pantheon peaks is a weird difficulty drop but does kind of make sense

[real basalt]

Might edit it

[vale temple]

tammo did you check out the list

[quiet token]

i preferred the name gods & glory for godmaster ngl i wonder why they changed it

[opaque sigil]

Haven’t had the time yet

[dull jasper]

There is no glory in playing it

[opaque sigil]

Wasn’t it copyright stuff

[real basalt]

One second,
Round 8 is E. Guardian
Round 10 is Hornet Sentinel (prbly a buffed version somehow)
GPZ is moved to round 15
NKG to 19
PV to 20

Ill write it all down then dump it

[fiery burrow]

there was a game of the same name iirc

[slate wagon]

why didn't they end up giving hornet a new fight

[dull jasper]

She already has 2

[slate wagon]

what's one more

[vale temple]

[pastel whale]

3

[dull jasper]

I would rather have the 2nd nosk fight

[marsh ibex]

Lace 4

Honestly it makes sense why Tiso is in Brooding Mawlek’s fight in p5 but like

most people wouldn’t get that

[rapid topaz]

I just like the ending, I think it is epic

and well animated

[vale temple]

and it makes sense!

[opaque sigil]

the ending looks cool ig but it makes very little sense as an actual ending

it's also cut in a really weird way

[dull jasper]

Especially the flower ending

[rapid topaz]

Yeah

[real basalt]

1. B. Mawlek
2. Oblobbles
3. W. Nosk
4. G. Tamer
5. Sisters
   Break
6. Watchers
7. Uumuu
8. E. Guardian
9. T. Lord
10. Hornet Princess or something
    Break
11. Lost Kin
12. S. Tyrant
13. Champion
14. W Defender
    15 GPZ
    Break
15. Oro and Mato
16. Sheo
17. GNS
    19 NKG
18. PV
19. (HEAL) AbsRad

[hollow terrace]

Because the ending leads into silksong WOOOOOOOO ETV BELIEVERS

[opaque sigil]

etv feels like it was designed to create as many misconceptions as conceivably possible

[hollow terrace]

SHADELORD VS HORNET WIOOOOOOOO

[real basalt]

This way you can keep the ending, but it's shortened and not a chore

[real basalt]

💀

[trim estuary]

WRONG! Silksong is an alternate universe set during the same time as Hollow Knight!

[real basalt]

N O
(actually its better than the prequel theory tbf but still)

[trim estuary]

That's not a proper argument

[uneven marsh]

Guys hear me out, Silksong is SILKSONG

[twin smelt]

fax

[opaque sigil]

am I wrong?
godseeker is dead
los is evil
hornet fights tk
hornet fights thk
los dies in flower ending
rad isn't actually dead in dnm (yes people actually claim this)

[real basalt]

I mean, it could happen

[twin smelt]

bro is a walking jojos reference

w

[dusty nimbus]

Interesting body with still a head

[dull jasper]

How do people think hornet fights tk

[uneven marsh]

Yessirr

[marsh ibex]

Shade lord evil

[real basalt]

Who's los btw

[opaque sigil]

they think los will be a boss in ss or whatever

[opaque sigil]

lord of shades

[marsh ibex]

lord of shades/shade lord

[uneven marsh]

... what

[slate wagon]

wait why wouldn't she be dead

[real basalt]

What can hornet actually do against the S. Lord

[rapid topaz]

god I hope not

[vale temple]

why not, we see a character in silksong using the void tendrils attack so it must be what los inhabited

[marsh ibex]

Godseeker Mode canonically occurs after pantheon 5*

[opaque sigil]

her body is destroyed but her mind is fully intact (and quite pleased with her condition)

[slate wagon]

I meant Rad you nerds

[fiery burrow]

unbeatable boss doesn't sound very fair

[uneven marsh]

IM NOT A NERD. IM AN IDIOT.

[fiery burrow]

unless Hornet ascends to a higher being status

[trim estuary]

sof, despite me believing my supposedly insane theory that sharpe is void, sharpe is NOT the lord of shades

[real basalt]

Stupidest argument ever, they could be another void entity
the game doesn't have to be post-ETV

[opaque sigil]

I think the reasoning for that is something like "well this ending is harder to get so it has to be substantially better than dnm, so rad probably isn't dead in dnm" and pointing to whatever visual differences exist

[rapid topaz]

I'm not a big fan of reintroducing HK characters into Silksong (well aside from Hornet obviously)
Lord of Shades in Silksong is the same level of Grimm Troupe in Pharloom to me, it would really not be that interesting

[marsh ibex]

you know how in etv she explodes

And in dnm she gets beat up and shoved into void

[opaque sigil]

lord of shades in ss would also be the dumbest copout imaginable because it would just kill whatever the big bad in ss is

[marsh ibex]

people assume she’s still alive for some reason post etv

because she didn’t blow up

[real basalt]

They want to make it so the many months they spent without seeing the sun were worth it

[rapid topaz]

exactly!

[uneven marsh]

No, just don't introduce Hornet in SS the main protagonist is actually Lemm

[hollow terrace]

But under voidheart influences all void creatures are under LoS Control

[vale temple]

she is because of essence copies duh
so there are a million alive rads living inside pharloom walls waiting to start the rumbling

[hollow terrace]

Source? This head canon

[marsh ibex]

Wrong

[real basalt]

It might not be Post Etv

[fiery burrow]

the collector in question

[trim estuary]

LOS DOESNT EXIST IN SILKSONG!! SILKSONG IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!! GRAAAAAHHH

[opaque sigil]

eh that depends on how you define a void creature

[slate wagon]

I always thought that's jsut to show the difference in power between the two forms, Los has to completely drown her in void while SL can just kill her outright

[marsh ibex]

imprints lead that to not happening

[real basalt]

My headcanon is that they have railguns in pharloom

[marsh ibex]

Anyways yes godhome lore sucks and made almost everything more convoluted for no reason

[opaque sigil]

sharpe still isn't void ofc but if imprinted void was present it wouldn't behave differently whether there was a lord of shades or not

[rapid topaz]

I mean, maybe there will be consequences from Hollow Knight to silksong, as cameos or not, and it's fine, but the "lord of shades was the true villain all along" sounds very cheap and uninspired.

[real basalt]

They had to have lore behind the boss rush mode see

[twin smelt]

yes

[marsh ibex]

The fact that “oh three dreamers alive post godhome” is even a thought people have due to godhome is fucking ridiculous

[uneven marsh]

YED

[opaque sigil]

it would also be very directly contradictory to hk

[rapid topaz]

yes

[opaque sigil]

it's not something anybody really believes is true it's just a theoretical possibility

[trim estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/876754574571089951.webp?size=48&name=16stareOlivia&quality=lossless

[slate wagon]

or is he

[uneven marsh]

Guys, hear me out, Silksong is among us 2

[twin smelt]

the bean game

[trim estuary]

You can be funnier than that.

[real basalt]

You have to kill Watchers and Uumuu to get p5 open...

[uneven marsh]

Yes

[marsh ibex]

and

[opaque sigil]

you don't have to kill the dreamers they're guarding

[marsh ibex]

you’d be surprised

[rapid topaz]

I would honestly rather see lemme in silksong than grimm lmao

[real basalt]

YOU CAN BE CRUELER THAN THAT

[uneven marsh]

Ok.
Who up Silking they Song rn?

[twin smelt]

huh

[real basalt]

Better argument
How did THK get out then?

[twin smelt]

i have brain damage now

[opaque sigil]

infer a domain restriction along the lines of "anybody worth listening to"

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-satoru-gojo-domain-expansion-gif-19189720

[opaque sigil]

the temple deactivated because rad was gone, including all defensive measures

[real basalt]

They have to agree on it as a mod council though

[rapid topaz]

JJK peak

[twin smelt]

jjk

[trim estuary]

tge thing from fortnie?

[twin smelt]

yes sirr

[real basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[vale temple]

speaking of jjk, just 3 eps of left of s1

[rapid topaz]

john fortsworn the crowtagonist

[real basalt]

your house is no longer safe

[twin smelt]

begone fortnite kid

[opaque sigil]

even if the dreamers are dead and the dreamer seal isn't there the door itself and the sob inside the arena and the chains all definitely deactivate, and because of sealed siblings we know the dreamer seals are also a part of that system since it activates automatically when rad is focused

[trim estuary]

nuh uh im playin rai worl

[rapid topaz]

Yooo enjoy !

S2 goes so hard too

[uneven marsh]

Wouldn't this stuff belong in #hk-lore or sum? Idk, I can't remember

[rapid topaz]

there isn't many eps for now but they are good

[real basalt]

Well everything belongs in ss-disc though

[fiery burrow]

off topic is allowed here due to lack of news

[uneven marsh]

Oh, ok thx

[rapid topaz]

the face on the bottom left

[vale temple]

boogie woogie

[dull jasper]

That was about #hk-general

[twin smelt]

i know

the gud days of it

[opaque sigil]

you can also argue that since sealed siblings is a canon ending and per tc's word their intent is probably to have all of them potentially lead to silksong that if the seal breaks while the dreamer is still alive they wouldn't just outright die

[real basalt]

I never go there for no real reason

[twin smelt]

yes

[dull jasper]

You aren't missing much

[exotic geyser]

i guess they never miss huh

[opaque sigil]

hk-offtopic is fine, it's better than hk-disc at least

[uncut citrus]

Sarah spotted

[exotic geyser]

Reevers sighted

[dull jasper]

That's a low bar

[vale temple]

it has new users so no it's not

[hollow terrace]

[cedar trench]

Losers located

[vale temple]

please don't ever say another bad take tammo

[cedar trench]

Hey chat

[uneven marsh]

Zamn, u caught me

[real basalt]

hk-discussion can actually be toxic at times

[hollow terrace]

except window right ana

[vale temple]

no??? hkdisc welcomed me with their arms open

[real basalt]

your gps is faulty, it located you

[cedar trench]

Ofc ✌️🩷

[cedar trench]

That was a pink heart

[real basalt]

Well, you are a troll

[vale temple]

what gives you that idea

[uneven marsh]

Bc, he's SUS

[real basalt]

How you treated 211A and Joe

[vale temple]

who's joe

[opaque sigil]

Not the elitism?

[real basalt]

Joe mama

[opaque sigil]

God forbid somebody without 800 hours try to talk there lmao

[real basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-cross-split-attack-tcsa-you-fell-for-it-fool-gif-24290983

[uneven marsh]

I have 794

[real basalt]

I know right
everyone says git gud in response to a question

[uneven marsh]

NOO

I JUST WATCHED THAT SCENE TOO

[real basalt]

case in point

[rapid topaz]

"X charm is bad you should never use it, try this setup"
"hey buy it's fun to play"
"no it's awful and useless"

[real basalt]

'Git gud' they all say
Everyone has a nickname saying 112% or all pantheons hitless

[slate wagon]

anytime sharp shadow is brought up in hk discussion

[rapid topaz]

that's a canon line though

[quiet token]

heres a really difficult puzzle i managed to beat

[real basalt]

canon line?

[uneven marsh]

Yes, HK is good, but what about KH?

[opaque sigil]

“You’re having trouble with radiance? Lmao radiance is easy kill anyrad 40829”

[rapid topaz]

hronet

[real basalt]

true

[uneven marsh]

True

[analog vortex]

Qh5?

[quiet token]

||yes, but the line continues||

[rapid topaz]

we all know that every game or any part of the game is easy once you've beat it, no matters the amount of attemps

[opaque sigil]

Nah fuck crystallized mound that shit never gets easy it’s always a pain

[uneven marsh]

You havent felt true pain of waiting for a game unless you've waited 7 years for kh3

[wet tulip]

@quiet token whats your elo on chess.com? if you play of course

[analog vortex]

Qh6?

[real basalt]

practice makes perfect as they all say

[runic badge]

Kxe8 “accelerated bong cloud attack”

[real basalt]

Elitist spotted
/s

[quiet token]

1875 on rapid, 1704 on blitz

[rapid topaz]

KH Is great I want to do a marathon of the games but never have time for it

[foggy heath]

Hell it’s what made roguelikes a genre

[uneven marsh]

Huh

[real basalt]

I mean there were a lot of KH games in the mean time right...?

oh

[rapid topaz]

true

[vale temple]

man these are great

[uneven marsh]

Yes, but we all wanted kh3 first. Everyone thought the teasers for the games were kh3

[foggy heath]

I thought that was a speech bubble for the the top left macaron

[vale temple]

first time im eating them

[real basalt]

snom evolved!!

[foggy heath]

Yippee

[vale temple]

who evolved you

[bleak sundial]

lol

[foggy heath]

Sof

[bleak sundial]

silksong wont be as good as hollow knight just saying it right now

[uncut citrus]

ok

[vale temple]

ok

[uneven marsh]

Canon SpongeBob and SS crossover when?

[bleak sundial]

why are you cope reacting me

i am telling the truth

[quiet token]

solution: ||Qh5+ Kf8 Rd8+ Ke7 Qf7+ Kxd8 Qf8#|| or ||Qh5+ Ke7 Qf7#|| or ||Qh5+ Kf8 Rd8+ Kg7 Qxg5#|| or ||Qh5+ Kf8 Rd8+ Qxd8 Qf7#|| (haha funny wingdings moment)

[bleak sundial]

stop

[serene chasm]

OH who lives in a nest deep underground!?
HORNET SILKSONG!

[vale temple]

curly

[uneven marsh]

YESSSSSSS

[serene chasm]

sof

[real basalt]

I can see you becoming a OG fan elitist

[wet tulip]

QH5 KD8 KnightC6 checkmate? if black tries to block with the queen after QH5 you win the queen

[real basalt]

A royal arachnid protector is she!
HORNET SILKSONG!

[uneven marsh]

WE NEED THIS

[wet tulip]

ke7 or kf8 also lead to checkmate i think

[quiet token]

the rook covers d8 though

[fiery burrow]

don't cope and you won't get cope reactions

[wet tulip]

true

[opaque sigil]

idk why one would argue that ss will be an inferior game when it’s made with more resources, not rushed, and made by a more experienced team

[real basalt]

words to live by

[stark estuary]

SS will be pretty mid probably

TC struck gold with HK don’t expect them to catch lightning twice

[fiery burrow]

what are you the CEO of mid or something

[opaque sigil]

Something like that

[stoic sigil]

Name checks out

[uneven marsh]

Yes. Yes he is.

[wet tulip]

true, if Kf8 Qf7 checkmate, if kf7 also Qf7 checkmate ?

[bleak sundial]

but like

hornet is an L protagonist

[stark estuary]

Happy now

[vale temple]

because they'll get greedy
sadly tc fell off, should've stayed broke

[wet tulip]

sorry this is wrong

[opaque sigil]

How so

[stark estuary]

I mean it’s true she is

[bleak sundial]

she is a bad guy

[fiery burrow]

Woman as a main character is too woke

[bleak sundial]

i dont wanna play as a bad guy

[stark estuary]

Hornet is a bad person also she is a woman

[opaque sigil]

Did you play HK

[bleak sundial]

yes and shes a bad guy

[real basalt]

Your username checks out
dont think he payed attention to the lore

[bleak sundial]

she tried to kill me

[quiet token]

Kf8 Qf7 wouldnt be checkmate since the black queen guards that square and Kf7 isnt possible because both the queen and knight guard that square

[opaque sigil]

Were you paying attention when you played HK

[stark estuary]

I don’t want to play as a girl goddamn liberals leave my video games alone

[bleak sundial]

yeah and what about her is good

[real basalt]

I hate liberals /s

[bleak sundial]

she tries to kill you

ayo

[opaque sigil]

She’s… an ally overall

[vale temple]

literally everything in this game tries to

[bleak sundial]

ive beaten everything

as you can see

[rapid topaz]

is the concept of good or bad real in that context

[bleak sundial]

and i believe she is an enemy!!!

[opaque sigil]

The game’s not really ambiguous on whether hornet is a friend past your second encounter with her in cot

[stark estuary]

Elderbug doesn’t and yet he’s an entitled self-rightous racist prick

[real basalt]

I read that and cringed, how old are you?

[opaque sigil]

True elderbug does suck

[vale temple]

congrats now take your time to reading the story instead of mashing buttons

[real basalt]

Bro doesn't understand the concept of redemption

[bleak sundial]

16 bro im trying to be funny why are you acting so serious

its a joke

[stark estuary]

It’s not even that

[uneven marsh]

Does anyone have an image of the red silk background?

[real basalt]

You just leaked your age on discord...

[bleak sundial]

yeah so

[stark estuary]

Hornet was never a villain

[uncut citrus]

its not even redemption, her attacking you wasnt a bad thing, she didnt want jsut any vessel to become, well, a vessel

[vale temple]

girlbossing

[opaque sigil]

The Reddit brainrot

[uncut citrus]

TRUE

[bleak sundial]

W comment

[wet tulip]

if Ke7 Qf7 checkmate, if Kf8 rook check queen captures, Qf7 checkmate i am thinking

[rapid topaz]

that might sounds like a nerd answer but antagonist =/= villain

[high hedge]

Hornet is evil, she killed my homie Al

[uncut citrus]

i also sometimes try to kill my siblings, girlbosisn fr fr ❤️

[bleak sundial]

fr she killed someone right before the first fight

[uneven marsh]

🙏

[high hedge]

He was just a lil guy

[exotic geyser]

im delighted every time i see people still wearing the silksweep pfps

[bleak sundial]

dead cells reference!!!!!!

[high hedge]

You’re an enabler!!!

[uncut citrus]

dead cells when i try to upgrade my forge

[quiet token]

||you're on the right path but remember that the queen doesnt have to capture||

[real basalt]

It's a lovely day outside, why don;t you take a walk? 😄 👍

[high hedge]

People still silking their song

[uneven marsh]

Thanks!

[bleak sundial]

ok but silksong wont be as good because you cannot top the final boss fight being THE SUN

[rapid topaz]

I'll be silking when the time comes

[graceful beacon]

bonjour chat

[uncut citrus]

bonjour

[high hedge]

Are you sure

[rapid topaz]

salut

[real basalt]

from experience, you definetely can
Radiance isn't even the best HK boss

[graceful beacon]

[bleak sundial]

what can be a better boss fight

[foggy heath]

I enter and there is a in chat

[fiery burrow]

What if it's THE MOON

also Radiance being the sun isn't even the best part of her fight, it's because she's well designed

[bleak sundial]

thats boring only thing that can be better is if the shade lord is the final boss

[fiery burrow]

that'd be lame

[vale temple]

shut up

[opaque sigil]

So you just don’t like the more grounded aesthetic?

[uncut citrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133935732965265569/1136236299301429268/caption.gif

[real basalt]

Let's say
An epic one on one duel
With a well-developed antagonist
For the fate of the world
That feels like a dance

[bleak sundial]

grimm troupe???

[vale temple]

no im going to another hospital visit tomorrow

[uncut citrus]

good luck Sof, sorry again!

[real basalt]

No
but nkg >>>> Radiance

[exotic geyser]

bonne soiree

[bleak sundial]

stop cope reacting me im not coping

[high hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-goldenweek-ms-goldenweek-goldenweek-one-piece-one-piece-meme-gif-26119903

[foggy heath]

https://tenor.com/view/inscryption-nft-nfts-meme-shitpost-gif-24468357

[opaque sigil]

rad fight introduction is cool but it's far from impossible to top

[high hedge]

Zap…

[vale temple]

i had to wait 6h today just so they can tell me we're gonna blood test you and leave

[bleak sundial]

yes but radiance feels cooler as a final boss because its the sun

[real basalt]

very deep comment, you are coping by saying you're not

[uncut citrus]

toi aussi Sarah bestie

[bleak sundial]

there are games that im excited for way more than silksong

[uncut citrus]

i cant use accents because my keyboard CHANGED for some reason actually what is this it was fine yesterday

[bleak sundial]

the longer silksong takes the better

[foggy heath]

Moons can be amazing final bosses

[real basalt]

If you have enough lore behind the boss, and the villain is compelling, and the fight is enjoyable...

[opaque sigil]

ok, that's fine

[real basalt]

that's fine

[opaque sigil]

not sure what it has to do with anything

[bleak sundial]

im not coping

[foggy heath]

Someone needs some copium

[bleak sundial]

wow

[real basalt]

looping again

[proper warren]

Is dishonored fun? I've had it for a while, but i havent tried it yet.

[bleak sundial]

ok this is besides the point

[vale temple]

you don't have to do it on each of their posts

[rapid topaz]

maybe that's enough cope emotes chat

[bleak sundial]

what im saying is that

[fiery burrow]

get off the copium and hope

[bleak sundial]

silksong will probably not feel as epic as hollow knight in terms of final bosses because the final bosses of hollow knight had so much emotion in them you know

like the hollow knight himself

[vale temple]

how do you know what silksong will have

[bleak sundial]

he stabbed himself and stuff that was pretty deep

[fiery burrow]

and whose to say silksong won't have emotional final bosses

[vale temple]

are you comparing a game that isn't out vs a completed game

[real basalt]

small brain
try hopium and not copum

[bleak sundial]

but they probably wont be as good is what im saying

[opaque sigil]

you're saying that with the benefit of full playthroughs of hk that built up to those fights, ss can do the same

[foggy heath]

@bleak sundial I’d reccomend leaving and inhaling some copium. You’re making yourself look like an idiot rn

[rapid topaz]

come on let them alone

[bleak sundial]

ok what even is copium im so confused

[real basalt]

So tell me why they won't

[fiery burrow]

that's a nice argument senator

[keen blaze]

[bleak sundial]

you guys say the same 4 things every time

[foggy heath]

I’m trying to be nice and recommend that it’s a bad idea to argue here

[indigo nymph]

cope

[serene chasm]

"Hollow Knight was a rushed game made on a shoestring budget. You have no idea how much better Silksong is"
Graig Graigerson of Graigsville

[real basalt]

I mean
so do you

[fiery burrow]

welcome to hollowcord

[vale temple]

@serene chasm breads is spamming reactions on every of their posts

[rapid topaz]

Yeah ok but that's enough, one cope reaction is good no need more

[real basalt]

-'Im not coping'
-'Silksong will be worse than HK'
-'The final boss will be worse'

[rapid topaz]

you guys litteraly spammed it for someone who is explaining their thoughts

[keen blaze]

...because it's true maybe ?

[real basalt]

there's a guy in hk-meme who canoe reacts everything

[bleak sundial]

why are you guys so against everything i say im just tryna explain something

[serene chasm]

Just chill with the reactions.

[real basalt]

I mean I get you, but when you think about it it's quite dumb what he's saying

[serene chasm]

Go ahead and explain yourself

[opaque sigil]

I think the reasons people have disagreed have been explained

[real basalt]

Okay, I'll write something comprehensive then. Give me 5 I need to to do somehting

[glacial socket]

How about this: we wait for the game and see before jumping conclusions

[keen blaze]

[rapid topaz]

That just felt like a bit harrassing but hey I'm probably exagerrating idk (quote: "small brain")

[bleak sundial]

ok what im saying is that hollow knights final boss was like one of the most epic things in a video game ive ever seen like climbing up into heaven and stuff and killing the sun aka god himself thats really cool i think that it will be hard for silksong to top that but not impossible it will just be very hard

[serene chasm]

No. SS will be the best game ever and will help spread world peace

[glacial socket]

I personally agree
But for everyone in general

[pastel whale]

You guys really think silksong will have bosses?

[marsh ibex]

heaven?

what

[bleak sundial]

thats basically what godhome is

[marsh ibex]

ew

Godhome sucks

[vale temple]

[marsh ibex]

And no it’s not

[opaque sigil]

midhome

[marsh ibex]

it’s not heaven analogous at all

[serene chasm]

lowhome

[vale temple]

what does godhome have to do w rad

[bleak sundial]

godhome is cool what are you all talking bout

[opaque sigil]

also etv is like the worst ending easily

[fiery burrow]

Joker is a lore nerd

[opaque sigil]

complete nonsense

[marsh ibex]

heaven isn’t just “bright place with funny looking architecture”

[patent heath]

It absolutely sucks.

[keen blaze]

Yeah they didn't make any new ones recently...

[marsh ibex]

you don’t go to godhome when you die

Rad is a god out of many

[pastel whale]

You can leave out the 'lore'

[patent heath]

Both lore wise and how rewarding it feels wise.

[fiery burrow]

just saying why do bosses go there when you beat them hm?

[vale temple]

explain how the bosses you kill do then

[bleak sundial]

i just said heaven because i couldnt think of anything else stop overanylizing stuff

[opaque sigil]

"hmm yes let's ignore everything the knight has done in its journey and let it just kill rad without doing any of the real work by completing this silly little side quest with zero actual significance to the narrative"

[indigo nymph]

y do u go there when u stab someone

[patent heath]

They use us to attune to them or something like that.

[fiery burrow]

yeah I'm joking

[patent heath]

Oh.

[rapid topaz]

It's still better than just a "Boss rush" button

[bleak sundial]

godhome is the true ending imo

[rapid topaz]

I get the point though

[marsh ibex]

I mean the core conceit of it was wrong

Rad is female (assumedly)
She’s a god, not God
Godhome isn’t heaven
Godhome sucks

[proper warren]

We dont even know the boss of ss

[bleak sundial]

well not true ending but best ending

[marsh ibex]

Not really overanalyzing

[opaque sigil]

is it

[keen blaze]

And will likely be in the next, at least at some points
Tho I'll participate way more for the upcoming Deltarune playthrough compared to Undertale, have planned some stuff Jevil is like probably legit possible.

[opaque sigil]

etv is a terrible conclusion to the story

[opaque moat]

has silksong come out yet?

[pastel whale]

Yes

[serene chasm]

I hope SS has no lore cause lore is lame

[marsh ibex]

plus at the end of the day, etv is just a repeat of dnm but done worse

[marsh ibex]

?sspsa

[white sail]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong can be found in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[foggy heath]

Yes

[patent heath]

No Tammo, credit where credit is due. It is better.
Even though I have no idea why tried to give a lore reason as to why boss rush exists.

[bleak sundial]

whats etv

[indigo nymph]

the hollow knight, y else would it be called hollow knight silksong?

[patent heath]

True.

[bleak sundial]

its been a year since i played i forgot the names of stuff

[opaque moat]

ah I see

[keen blaze]

Idk they planned to let us play Undertale while they make videos then people beat it in like 5-6 days so...

[sinful flare]

godhome is hell in disguise

[opaque sigil]

it would've been better if p5 just bounced you back to godhome, maybe do something with tk being attuned over rad but definitely not actually killing her

[quiet token]

has ss disc contracted lore disease

[dusty nimbus]

Yes

[patent heath]

The final boss is TK now.

[keen blaze]

They did true pacifist after that and came closer to all yellow credits that I ever have when playing normally-

[bleak sundial]

etv is true ending imo

[glacial socket]

The true silksong boss is the journey we had along the way✨✨

[bleak sundial]

its just the coolest one

[serene chasm]

there is no true ending

[keen blaze]

They beat it in under two days iirc btw.

[opaque sigil]

it is at least a comfort that tc knows not to carry etv forwards in silksong

[sinful flare]

nah the final boss of silksong is actually called The Hollow Knight: Silksong

[bleak sundial]

i know but im just saying if there was one it would be etv

[patent heath]

ETV should not he considered at all for the "which ending is best?" imo.

[fiery burrow]

lore reason: TK goes into it's mind and fights some memories, that would work

[bleak sundial]

why not

[opaque sigil]

that would be by far the worst option

[sinful flare]

TRUE

[patent heath]

Basically it.

[indigo nymph]

i didnt realize

[real basalt]

OKay then here we go, summary of arguments: @bleak sundial

1. SS probably won't be as good as HK

It isn't fair to say this when it isn't out.

In terms of probability, Silksong has had a longer development time and higher budget, and more experienced devs, so it's likely to be better

2. SS can't beat the epic nature of the HK final boss

This is fair as fighting the sun is quite crazy.

However, scale is not the only thing that makes a boss good. Most people say Mantis Lords, Sisters of Battle, and NKG are the best bosses, as they have well-telegraphed attacks and the battle is satisfying. THK's fight also tells a story.

[rapid topaz]

Lore wise I don't think, but they put efforts doing whole new assets and they're great. It's a glorified boss rush menu for sure, it's just done well enough. I'd also argue than musics are pretty memorable (at least the exclusive ones, not the rearrangements)

[real basalt]

Oh wait is the argument over

Guess a lot happens in 4 mins

[glacial socket]

It'll never be over

[keen blaze]

Now because people were too fast HBC put us in front of Pokemon infinite fusions but even then they were having too much trouble to make videos so they just stopped streaming the last few days.

[patent heath]

Oh maybe because it sucks.
It doesn't feel at all rewarding. Lore wise it makes half a dime worth of sense. Weird implications about everything.

[bleak sundial]

HOW DOES IT NOT FEEL REWARDING

ITS THE MOST REWARDING THING IN THE GAME

[opaque sigil]

sure the visuals and music for godhome are fine the biggest issue currently on the table is that etv just doesn't make sense in any way existing in the way it does

[bleak sundial]

STOP SNAIL REACTING ME BRO

[twin bough]

the fuck is going on here

[rapid topaz]

heh I'm not too attached to the Lore so I can't relate, it's true though

[patent heath]

It doesn't feel rewarding because it's basically DNM but you have to do an absolute ton more work.

[keen blaze]

@opaque sigil hey would you look at that-

[fiery burrow]

slogging through early game easy bosses and then fighting a big hard one and then getting a reskin of DNM isn't rewarding

[bleak sundial]

me when i share opinion (argument ensues)

[opaque sigil]

what

[patent heath]

Me when I don't read what people have in their name:

[dusty nimbus]

This is unironically is like the time the channels were renamed

[patent heath]

Anyway read about me.

[real basalt]

Here's a better P5
It removes the filler bosses and lowers the length

[twin bough]

In fairness on mobile you cant see the end of the name

[bleak sundial]

but that doesnt matter tho its still super rewarding

[keen blaze]

I... Pinged the wrong person

[bleak sundial]

to beat every boss without dying

[burnt topaz]

i like you too!

[real basalt]

It is... but tedious at the same time
It locks an entire ending away

[rapid topaz]

agree it feels good

[patent heath]

I am on mobile and I can see my name fully.

[keen blaze]

...as I was saying @dull jasper take a look at that-

[patent heath]

Thanks.

[twin bough]

Well not everyone can

[marsh ibex]

That is subjective

[bleak sundial]

thats a weak argument imo

[burnt topaz]

where markoth

[marsh ibex]

Conceptually it’s fine but half of p5 is filler

[bleak sundial]

all endings are locked away if you are bad enough

[keen blaze]

It's like a GodHome bad discussion. Tho just EtV is being talked about rn.

[patent heath]

No Dream Warriors?

[twin bough]

Not real

[burnt topaz]

but also thats a nice trim of p5

[opaque sigil]

p5 has a lot of repeat bosses that really just have no business being in it

[serene chasm]

why is #hk-discussion leaking

[marsh ibex]

Repeat or easy bosses are pointless

[patent heath]

Mobile discord weird LFG.

[high hedge]

I mean is locking certain content behind a skill barrier bad

[dull jasper]

What am I looking at?

[bleak sundial]

exactly

[real basalt]

It IS rewarding
However:
-Overly Long, die in the late stages and you have to fight them all again
-Most bosses are filler and pointless

I mean

[bleak sundial]

its not a bad thing to have to be good to get something

[pastel whale]

Can we go back to talking about pizza and water vs milk?

[high hedge]

You still get 100%+ of the game without P5 anyway

[marsh ibex]

When the content is relevant to the main story, has no reason to be and is poorly alluded to be tied to it? Yes!

[keen blaze]

Godmaster DLC talk mentioning how EtV sucks or whatever idk

[real basalt]

Username checks out now that I think about it

[dull jasper]

Oh godhome hate? Yeah this discussion has been held about 3 hours ago as well

[high hedge]

It’s more like bonus content really

[marsh ibex]

But this is a pointless discussions we’ve already talked this entire discussion an hour ago

[indigo nymph]

right click the server icon and this will appear (image 1)
hover your mouse over notification settings and this will appear (image 2)
now click nothing and suppress all role mentions

[patent heath]

I feel Galien and Markoth should be the only Dream Warriors in P5. Maybe No Eyes too but it would be fine without her.

[marsh ibex]

bonus content canon to the main story, yes

[lone lichen]

i like etv as a narrative concept but i think the only way to follow up on it in silksong would be to have the ability to follow up on each ending separately, eg after beating base game there are multiple silk soul variations that are similar to base silksong but deviate to follow up on the different endings
this is obviously a ton of work and would probably only be doable post-release

[real basalt]

yep

[bleak sundial]

i mean the die and you restart thing makes it more rewarding to finally beat it imo

[burnt topaz]

eh none or all of them tbh, id go with none

[bleak sundial]

didnt they say you dont have to play hk for ss to make sense

[rapid topaz]

why complaining about Godhome when steelsoul exist

[opaque sigil]

they did say that

[burnt topaz]

like i do not care about gorb

[patent heath]

I have done that. Still the number shows up.
Thanks to a tip by Corty atleast it doesn't make the sound anymore.