#sk-discussion
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the same one as now
Oh, I don't have that one saved anymore
swnl!
did you make this all in photoshop? if so thats cool
I made this at some point
rip
Garmond 
Regular 
I used to do them in Canva at the start, then switched to Pixlr X
I honestly feel like that description is accurate to how that mosberry tool will work
Moss
QUIRREL LOOK OUT SHE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!
ah I see
Squirrel dies again
That build sucks ass
Bro already knows the ss meta
she's an innocent soul she wouldn't hurt a fly now would she
She killed my whole family
sounds like a skill issue ngl
Yes it is
nah, she just benching
I also have an interpretation of how the Weavers got to Pharloom
They /tp
Why y'all started leaking ss?
Oh wait nvm that's how they left
These descriptions for the mossberry tool also seem pretty accurate
truffula trees

No way to know 
I love those emojis
@ graig
“I am the Lorax! I speak for the trees!”
Where did they even originate from
Wdym
?
Gwnj 
Car 
Car
Godamnit
car
I have to play ori and the blind forest now bye
I'm a fool
Bye :(
Bye gwnj 
Shut up Shutterstock is goated
It's okay
Them 3d mfers are betta
Noooo why TF did that happen
Lame ass emoji
Wtf is going on
Uh
My shit glitching
Dude stop pls
Pixx 
Not silksong
Hiiiii🦘🦘
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I didn't do that shit on purpose 😭
Crpo
Garfield you fat cat! Why are you so big and fat!
Lasang
Lasang

lasang
I like added cheese
If i was Garfield i would probably be a fat cat too
I'd work out if I was Garfield
Workoutfield
Put them Mondays to good use
I don't have particular feelings towards mondays
Why Garfield hate monday
He doesnt work
Monday left me broken
this u?
Monday be leaving me broken ong
Tuesday, I was through with hoping
It’s 30 minutes into Monday 
Time traveler?
Wednesday My empty arms are Open
im like 9 hours into monday
Time travl
almost 10
yeah it's called a "timezone"
I smell western USA
What a powerful device
Southern
Do you mean southern
sadly the technology is weak
How can you tell
I radiate freedom
And cheese
I meant- nevermind
Indeed
Silicon valley?
you radiate blue cheese
😅 what's blue cheese
Mold
😷
It has mold in it
It has mold in it...
Blue cheese my beloved
Depends on the type of blue cheese tho
There was one french blue cheese named after its creator
A man walks into a bar
Ill have two beer
And then bartender ends your bart ass
That'll be 50$ sir
One for me and another one for the man sitting next to me
Why the long face?
The other man turns around and says
No thanks i'm vegan
End of story
And then the horse says
what?
🤟🥶.
Cool beanz
_ _
A man walks into bart
So anyway how are u guys
_ _
Falling getting a little wasted
Somebody get bart away from bartender
I'm in jail now
I can do that too
See?
How
I'm ok but dead inside, got off a 7-hour work shift at my local subway lol
Magic?
Discord is dumb is why lol
All of the lights
Painful
Why
Bartender ending him
Didn't pay my tickets
Good luck
You can underline empty space and it counts as a message
How
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Oh wow
You need the space
leaked ending of CSM part 2
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I had someone order 5 platters today
Very cool
(͡ ͡° ͜ つ ͡͡°)
That was very cool lol. Spent 20 minutes on the phone 
This one isnt even using symbols
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True
Funny
Why you said that about me
It hurts me
You just did not
🐊
Anyway no silksong news today right
I have news
" Corco" 🗣️
don't... he did it
Truly wild news
I'm a february believer
I believe in february (silksong unrelated)
I believe that Cheesuary
I was a clown june believer. I've chosen to just stop believing
Fair enough
It'll hopefully come out eventually, and I'll play it when it does
LOL
I like your funny words magic man
Thanks son
Magic man is beag tired
Ok bye
I'm going to be willingly uncinscious for several hours
I should too
Until we meet again...
Gn
Gn
Not aass impressive as thus
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Boom
Be terrified of my power
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Astounding power
How much robux is that
sure?
???
Whole*
Anyways TC’s price statement was that they wanted to be affordable to everyone
So like probably the same price as hollow knight
Ss will be free if you can play a string instruments
I make the rules
No ss bateman
This price is still fair for a large indie game
im pretty sure the price of SS might be doubled the price of hk
so like, if hk was 15 dollars, ss would be 30 dollars, but I think it might be lower
Ss is a small indie game I've never heard of it
no way it's smaller than hk
I believe the devs have said it’s larger
the thing is
the devs said it's hard to justify the size, since hornet zooms fast
Hornet nyoom
HK set the price very very low
yeah so a range of 15-30$
As a future indie dev (hopefully) I fully support indie games costing a good amount
tc set the price low because not EVERYONE lives in Europe or US
It can and I hope it does because the devs deserve it
Platinum you could in theory, buy a second copy to alleviate that issue
Other way
Good idea
Actually my plan is buying SS and HK(again) when Silksong comes out
I will steal ss
Snom send team cherry an absurd amount of money
_ _
I may get it for a friend but otherwise not gifting it
I intend to buy silksong on 2 both switch and steam, switch for cozy playing, laptop for potential mods and fun stuff
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I think I can vibe with some blankets and just play a game
Unless every area in silksong is deepnest
I mean deepnest like
Pharloom seems devoid of such horrors, though
Rich is a weird case considering we’re still in the late years of high school
My friends have quite harsh families
Except for one and mine
And another as well but he has a mac
_ _
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Trust me I can vibe during a boss fight, makes it easier to get in a state of mind where it's easy to win
Magic man 🤯
relatable
Yeah IK this strategy from some of them
I usually get on their good side if I get good marks in school, but that rarely happens
My parents are really awesome and supportive 
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damn thats great
_
_
I’m very lucky
wtf same
Hacker man
Who was the dude
@coarse leaf is very weird
😢
Ohhhhh
I wonder where I'd have to be mentally to click on a link like that
_ _
This is actually good for them
Because if only dumb people get tricked
They don’t bother with smarter people
what trying to unlock chef's ability does to a mf
absolute stacked
also only 3 red items? bad run
yeah...
i am so tired it's half 6 in the morning I'm so glad i finally got this stupid unlock and now gonna get paladin
life sure is swell
I wonder what do people think about the goku mod
i personally and weirdly enough don't want to really use it until i watch dragon ball
just so i can enjoy it more
fuck yeah
berserkin time
yoooo artifact of swarm!!!
welcome to the artifact of swarm + artifact of sacrifice
paladin got the drip 🔥
have a few other skins too apparently
Hello chat
hi cat
I screamed
how many times
silk
6 times I assume
hello there
Anyone heard about spiderman lotus
What about it
the entire controversy
Oh its out
Yeah
I wonder why it was called lotus
Probably plant symbolism or something
spiderman lotus?
Ah I see he fights Goblabo and Shook
Actually I'm really not sure if it is or not
It premiered in a theater
this is hilarious
mfs be like comic miles is better
I’ve heard he has some good meet ups with the young avengers
Me when see who’s going to the spider-man lotus premiere
1282
118
i hope this is allowed
Though I don’t think I’ve ever read a Spider-Man comic run fully
Just make it a dx link
A what
Edit it and put dx in front of twitter
there’s a dx?
Yeah
only heard of vx and fx
dx is better
dx is when you find the slope of the tweet
I miss Unique
He’ll be back
One day😔
I talked to him on steam the other day actually, he seems to be doing just fine
That’s cool
Just lots and lots of work
I’m friends with him on steam but I dunno what I’d say to him in dms
"Formal greeting"
E
lucario
Bless you
wh
@burnt topaz What're you doing in Smoothie Tycoon
There probably won’t be great guides so early on
most of us will probably play before there’s any guides
I feel like it’s none of your business how we play Silksong but ok
chill, everyone has their way of enjoying a game
Especially people who want to do everything on the first playthrough
I’m not saying it’s bad advice it’s just that some people have different ways of enjoying a game
I personally won’t
Just because you think your way is the best doesn’t mean it is to other people
Ok
That’s fine
The lesson of tmnt: mutant mayhem😔
That’s not really it’s most beautiful moment tho
There’s nice relaxing spas and walking through greenpath made me happy
That spot in queens gardens with the bench looking out and the music playing through the speak was my favourite
City of tears was also great
Bro came out swinging
-green goblin first seeing Spider-Man
The white lady is your mom
I didn’t get the reference
It’s probably joker or something
I just wasted half an hour through footage of atsv to find the right pose to draw gwen since i found a screenshot that was similar to what i had in mind just a frame or two late
As it turns out she was in the same pose the entire shot and the frame i was looking for doesn't exist 

Making it myself is harder and will definitely take longer to get it to look right
Ayo wtf
At mods
Is there anything in the rules about simping for your mother?
Or is just looked down upon
Then steal another Spider-Man pose
I’m just joking mate
She’s a tree chill out
Damn snom has some strong beliefs about inbreeding
Well ideally your own dignity would keep that in check
Oh snom evolved
I don't want to go through another 2 hours of looking for just the right image...
Sorry
Yeah wtv I'll draw it myself at some point then
Damn frostmoth has some strong beliefs about inbreeding
Draw the white lady
But happy
What kind of pose was it
Also the fact a lot of spider-man pose art has a 6' strongish male physique in mind rather than that of gwen
I will draw her burning in a ditch
Wood
This position, but the knees and legs farther down showing more of the chest so it looks more natural and less like she's hunching down
Doable? Absolutely
Do i want to do it? Ehhhhh
Lol
Anyway it's 1 am and I've been progressively trying to fix my schedule so gn 
Goodnight mate
One of these days I gotta stop staying up so late
But not today?
No I got distracted playing Smoothie Tycoon with some friends
snom but I don't simp for them
Oh damn
yes
very versatile pokemon yes
cant imagine it tripping over a pebble
he's just a goober
lucario
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go to sleep lua
Go to bed mate
So don’t step over that line
press 0 while watching it
Watching Princess Mononoke in a theater was really cool
its cool but unfortunately not fast enough
dark souls be like
you dodge when you let go of the button because holding it is for sprinting
silkchad be like
dashing transitions into a sprint
ez ez
suspicious file
Downloading all files you see is good for you
well sorry. should I delete it?
I don’t think there are any rules against it
idk have you ran it through virustotal or something
well yeah there arent any rules against uploading files but uploading malicious files is against community rules or smth im PRETTY sure
Probably
zipbomb
bomb your mailbox
There was a demo that showed it off
It's basically the same as it was in hollow knight
only now instead of a shade it's a silk cocoon that doesn't attack you
Hitting it refills your spool
That being said, the demo was a while ago so things could've changed
Yeah it was like 3 years ago
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It's in here
It should've started at the timestamp where hornet dies
And you're sure the cocoon doesn't attack you‽
nope, completely stationary
???
but again, old demo, this was back in 2019, things may have changed
Link lore
weird ass
Most video games have characters make noises when they jump or hit something
If you can handle a zelda game you can handle hornet climbing a ledge
You get hit: "uh"
Hey, just be happy that she doesn't make the noises she does in her bossfight
yeah, healing system works different
Love the faster paced healing
Are you shaw about that?
I will go completely silent on the internet, I don't want any spoilers
Same
I'll only look stuff up once I'm sure I've done 99.9% of the game there is to do
that wouldn't be a problem if you explore everything
I'm gonna take my time with this game
I mean silksong will probably have a percentage counter like hk did
She can only heal once the silk meter is full
The more she heals, the more she loses her true self
that's the cost
not at all, it encourages you to attack more in order to get enough silk to be able to heal
16:36
yes, rip hornet
Cute animation yeah, she chilling
(now that the people are distracted did you know that in Deltarune: Chapter 2 there was a glitch allowing Susie and Ralsei to heal indefinitely past their max health-)
i like the way YOU sit 🙂
thanks
do you like how i walk
do you like how i talk
do you like how my face disintegrates into chalk
I have a wonderful wife, I have a powerful job
my wife criticizes me for being egocentric
You practice your mannerisms into the wall
If this mirror were clearer, I'd be standing so tall
I saw you slobber over clovers on the side of the hill
saved
silksong is alright
silksong fans are starving
fuck unity so annoying and hard
wait til you hear she has a dedicated taunt button
got such a weird acrid run rn
ttaco making stuff up
Lemme hear it!
i have a better one
That’d be a cool dlc
i wonder if n'kuhana's opinion even changes anything
Hollow knight 3
hornet taunting for 10 hours straight
they should make that an achievement
I’m just so ready to play as Hornet
i will not even play the game
i've got 4 bungus
She is the moment
i think they should stop development
i mean they should scrap the game
or rush it and make it a ludicrous price
Is this some reverse psychology to stop being hype
Trick your brain into thinking its not real
no
Then you’re insane
i just dont expect a lot from silksong (i’m a downer)
Nuh uh
if silksong doesn’t have silly, whimsical, splendorous adventure, i will not be purchasing./j
so you'd wait to be spoiled?
that was a joke
if silksong is released it’s going to cause riots
again, joke
silksong will go down as the single most controversial game ever
Mods,ban him right NOW
Are you okay…?
No he's clearly gone insane
I kinda wish they showed their progress. But I suppose it would be hard to do so without spoiling the game.
I just hope by the time it's released, the hype for Hollow Knight hasn't died down too much
I think what they should not even give us hope and first trailer
and just relise game from nothing
said by nobody ever
I mean, who knows, right? But like.. with mods and stuff, it probably won't happen.
Imagine if Markiplier played Hollow Knight
who's markiplier
hello markipkier my names everyone
hello everyone my name is markiplier
You're lying
i really do not have an idea
You're looking at my face and lying to me
Right now I take the form of a KFC burger
No cheese
If you find a nice burger pic feel free to dm me
no negative or smth
FRIED CHICKEN IS ON TOP
but no cheese is sucks dude
TRUE. Not KFC tho
why have kfc when you could have popeyes
acrid try not to kill the teleporter boss in 5 seconds challenge
The kfc here is usually good
popeyes is objectively better
No popeyes in Australia
😔
<\3
australia scary
Is eating kangaroos illegal
Yeah I had to tackle an 8 foot spider the other day
acrid players sitting back as they watch mithrix lose all of his hp in 100 seconds while they have no items
do NOT eat kaangaroos
please do NOT the kangaroos
i think cangooro burgers would taste nice
do not the cat
I absorb their power
My thighs double in muscle and I die immediately my body does not have enough blood for that

cangaroos is way too op we should kill them all
they can jump high
and baby support
No they’re great boxing buddies
But.. cute little babies in the baby carrier
Me farming baby aspids
cAngaroo*
WITH A C???
For the journal entry. But the journal entry is the entry of your name in a prison database
looping in ror2 turns it into a godrun so fast is this even monsoon
They gave me so much shit on my first playthrough
No they'll grow to the normal aspids
Wait are they infected
Do they produce more infection juice
Can the infection pass through to others with the infection slime?
Infection piss???
Seems that stuff is just corrosive.
I don't think it actually needs to
Something about dreams or something
Although the lightseeds and broken vessel could suggest it
But that would mean isma's tear makes you immune, which it..... Doesnt....
No they make baby aspids
No it wouldn't. Isma's Tear is acid magic not infection magic.
yes but their stomaches is orange thing
I thought light seeds were the infected lifeblood thingies
Orange thing is just infection, not specifically Lightseeds.
hm
Also does this mean False Knight is infected? Because of the orange particles that seep off of him? But he said he wanted the Armor not from the infection.
but lifeblood ones is from cocoons which isnt actually alive or have mind
I suppose he could be infected to have orange in him, but not fully infected uet
False Knight is infected yeah.
They do though. They run from you. But also Joni's Blessing.
coccon main goal isnt to born more of lifeblood unlike aspids
(which makes come to you and not run)
i mean coccons dont have mind by they own
Yea I know that
i think?
what is even main goal of lifeblood
survive?
it doesnt seems like they can create more coccons
burger with the tomato
Yes
No.
Yes
🤝
like even the tomatoes is red bro
cause there in book was so tiny and little thingies
Didn't most of Joni's blood become lifeblood?
Well, that's what Joni's Blessing does.
like those exploding things in fog cannyon can be eggs of umus
I thought what minuses lifeblood does to usual citisens
like you cant focus,yes
but
focus can be used by higher beings only
then what minus to carry lifeblood for usual citizens
it seems like if your blood is whole lifeblood then you die like Joni
or smty
smth
ig lifeblood’s main goal is to infect most of the bugs with it
but vessel can actually resist cause you know it doesnt have blood at all
yawns
zeljaba!
That's not true.
Soul Sanctum people talk about Focusing and they're definitely not Higher Beings.
Source?
Okay but they don't focus
That's the whole point of soul sanctum
im pretty sure the whole sanctum is made to study on soul and excravate soul from one being
I meant thematically the whole point of the soul sanctum is to show how they fail at focusing and they are punished for it
Follys and the other slime dude
If they failed at focusing why would their concern be to attain a "pure focus"
They can focus, they're just not very good at it.
when they focus they melt into a pile of slime 😭

That's from taking too much Soul from others iirc.
They talk about their focus isnt ideal
If they can focus, why don't they while we fight them
and they try to

make it more pro
What do you think they do when shooting at us ?
sof im gonna boil you like a lobster
uh, not focus???
what's your definition of focus
Trading soul for life
is that the only emote you know
What do you think Pure Vessel does when it does the circle explosions attack ?
Weird.
crazy how that works.
Because you said that this was focusing 
Yet I don't see Pure Vessel doing any of that.

troll
it's the exact same thing the knight does when he gains health, why would it be different

Are you gonna make any points or just send unfunny emotes


Ok how do we know
because it doesn't do it??
The fact that we literally see it ?
You know who else charges up Soul then attacks you ?
That's right, Soul Twisters.
how do you see health??
You don’t
Pure Vessel is attacking you, if you want to argue that it's healing at the same time you need evidence.

I don't need evidence I'm too cool for evidence
ok
Guess that's settled 
Hi
thought i stumbled into the lore channel accidentally 
because it's coded that way in the game
me too it was scary
Yo everyone
so are you okay with doing sg/ss randomizer
Sarah 
gwnj 
cookie 
we are not living
Hear me out on those guys
These are my people
Same
Get this lore shit outta here
Lor
"THE NAME'S SAXTON HALE. AUSTRALIAN. CEO OF MANN CO. AND THE MAN THAT WILL BURN THIS PLACE DOWN TO THE GROUND!"
Fun fact I played a game of Hollow Knight yesterday where I would listen to suggestions people made, and one of those was to read every lore tablets I came across.
So the whole time I was complaining about it being for nerds and asking people what they even meant for the more complicated ones 
SCREW GRAVITEH
I read it as gravity
SAXTON PUNCH!
READY TO GIVE A BIG PUNCH



Vibing

Jala and regular 


no one knows
if it helps, last year they thought the game would be ready this summer
chat i'm gonna get pikmin 4 do you need anything while i'm on the way
gex
meaningless
anyways speaking of the release date
i think that the best possible bet we have is very soon relatively speaking
and i'm guessing that the game awards will have something for us.
But that's in december
i'm more than comfortable that 4 months is enough for us to get something, however
gamescom 
when's that?
late August
you have my attention
December division 3rd edition it is then
it’s also with Geoff keighley
Gamescom is like a German game convention right?
basically summer game fest
yep
man I don’t know
it could
but we don’t know
Com
i do think it’s more likely to get something at tga or a direct maybe, seeing how little people know about gamescom lmao
I can see it at tga
me last year 
bring on a blog post telling us it will come out tomorrow
Gamescom starts on the 23rd, the same day godmaster was released
Anyone here ever gone lobstering
I think so, but it would still be cool
I'd like to go lobstering
i have the hornet plush 
bruh
gonna need your payment information too ||joke don’t ban me||
I want the grub plush
i want broken vessel grimm or the knight plush
Nah
I want a zote furby
I think William will keep his word of saying they won’t release another hollow knight game for 10 years
Surely tc is rich enough to give everyone here a hornet plush
Another proof that they are evil
If they’re so rich, silksong should just be free!!!1!!1
Sonia 
Hiiii
Sonia hiii
How was paris
uhh
Free me from the hell that is Disneyland Paris
Why did you go thereeeee
I’m still stuck here
huh
I’ve been punished for my crimes against humanity
There are so many more monuments to visit
Like damn Disney lands are everywhere its like going to a macdonalds
My sentence: stand in hour long lines
You know Paris, France? In English, they pronounce it “Paris,” but everyone else pronounces it without the “s” sound, like the French do. But with Venezia, everyone it the English way, “Venice.” Like The Merchant of Venice and Death in Venice . . . Why though?! Why isn’t the title Death in Venezia?! Are you friggin’ mocking me?! It takes place in Italy so use the Italian word, damn it! That shit pisses me off! Bunch of dumbasses!
Awesome
Did you try Paris mcdonalds
kaan good luck on trying that new difficulty btw
KAANG CAN DANCE?
Nice gif
silksong: how to sacrifice sherma secret
yes kaan has some nice dance moves

thanks I made it myself
Bamboozle 
Banned
I am truly the bamboozled
We do a lil bit of trolling
last words
why oes it not work !!
Who is that
Oolong
😮

I'm bored
Hi bored
@vague yew there’s seal breaking bugs
Master 

Huh
Oh wait. I did mention silksong
?jokerpsa
yes you did
?tag jokerpsa
No tag jokerpsa found.
WHAT
Huh
@vague yew Seal-breaking bugs exist as shown in the SS trailer, allowing the bell cultists to bypass the seal on the Black Egg Temple and recover Hornet
Okay that makes sense ig
i actually never thought about that
Not the trailer, the demo
i don't understand why people keep saying Sealed Siblings can't be followed up on when that's simply not true
I was about to ask about TK when I realize the chains exists
TK would still be held inside, the state of the door has no bearing on the Vessel being held or not
Yeah but isn't she with us during the entire final phase of THK?
Only because TK opened the door prior
Ok....so?
And even then Hornet still gets drained by the Egg and knocked out
The door reforms only after TK takes THK's place
Yes but that doesn't explain this
I said hornet's unconscious body was with us the entire final phase of thk. It's not like we teleported her out of the door or smth
yes, and the bell cultists can break the seal on the Temple's door to run inside and get her, before leaving
You were saying like TK's chains were broken and they just happened to find hornet outside of TK's room
no
That's what I am confused about
i never said TK's chains were broken at all
nice try
the process works like this:
- Egg receives Vessel
- Egg restrains and seals Vessel, door is formed (Dreamer seals are supplementary)
- Dreamers killed
- Door opens
- Chains destroyed, releasing Vessel
- (ending A) THK killed, TK seals Radiance & is sealed itself, door reforms
- (B) Hornet knocked out inside Egg, THK killed, TK seals Radiance & is sealed itself; Hornet becomes Dreamer/analogue
Did the seal bugs enter the TK room and grabbed Hornet or did they just find her outside of TK's room after breaking in the black temple?
It would be the former, she's still inside the Vessel's chamber as shown in both SS and DNM
Woah
Finally my answer
Actual discussion

She only wakes up if the Temple is deactivated/destroyed entirely (DNM)
Wouldn't that mean the radiance is walking around as TK?
no, because in DNM, Radiance is destroyed

since the Temple only restrains a Vessel who sealed Radiance, with her dead it now doesn't have a use
But you said this is sealed siblings, the same ending where we become the vessel of the radiance
.
Ohhh
I denoted DNM to avoid confusion
I don't think I wanna try out silksong when it comes out. The platforming and combat looks a little too complicated compared to Hollow Knight
k
k
k
comf
Imagine silk
One can only imagine
your use of gifs is awesome
Not having silksong
serrara sight 
pretty rare indeed!
So the average
Yeh uneventful
Thankyou!
Bought chips to snack on when I'm hungry at night
They're so ridiculously empty
Literally scammed
There's not enough in here for even one person bruh
Good job reeves
Where did me when beans go.
Why would you seek it?
Bean milk
Because I haven't checked this server in so long
Did it actually die off??
