sk-discussion

[tall juniper]

wh

[formal iris]

chess.

[carmine island]

yes

[crisp drift]

What does the word en passant mean in English.

[coarse leaf]

haven't seen Leth or lead play test guy in a while

Lead play tester guy . his colour is Red and often play league of legends . i forgot name 😅

[formal iris]

En passant. Chess.

Oh fuck I’m hallucinating spiders

Or maybe not hallucinations but rather I see things in the dark that don’t exist.

Idfk but it’s 3am

I should sleep

Bu uh no yeah imma just sleep

[full rune]

google moms croissant

[twin bough]

No

[cerulean sable]

We knew the kingdom would not be the same. A few people sang, a few people prayed. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Weaver's scripture, the Pharloom's Folly; The Weaver is trying to persuade the Conductor that he should do his duty and, to impress him, takes on his multi-armed arachnid form and says, 'Now I am become Silk, the destroyer of Song.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another

[twin bough]

Hollow knight is overrated tho

[fiery burrow]

No I am going to upvote them

[worthy patrol]

Racism.

[shell yacht]

no, thats tos

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ken-ryan-gosling-margot-robbie-buffed-gif-6541542708215864126

[kindred pewter]

silkeinheimmer

[worthy patrol]

[olive bobcat]

https://youtu.be/4f7S2hDikFY

[shadow flame]

Im just ken

[olive bobcat]

And I'm enough

[shadow flame]

Anywhere else I’d be a 10

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-2023-barbie-movie-2023-ken-just-ken-ryan-gosling-gif-10323830384417490388

One of the perks of my work uniform being a black tee and black jeans is that I can feel like Ken

[shadow flame]

||I love the part where he comes back to barbieland after they finally changed it back and he and the other kens are all pretending to ride horses|| barbie spoiler

[olive bobcat]

Whole movie was peak

[shadow flame]

Fr

[olive bobcat]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7jPdqwZug0ovtDZsY5uK4T?si=297d7385680b46aa

[shadow flame]

Wayy to funny and I shed a singular tear at the end lmao

[olive bobcat]

1:46

[shadow flame]

Like deadass one tear

The Ken song is unironically fire

[olive bobcat]

Yeah it slaps

Probably my favorite scene in the movie

[shadow flame]

||Yea my favorite scene is that, the campfire song scene where the barbies just shit on the kens egos, and the end where barbie becomes human and theres flashes of human life|| barbie spoiler

[olive bobcat]

Did you watch Oppenheimer too

[shadow flame]

Not yet but can you hear the music is a W soundtrack

[silver oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8psP4S6BQ

[shadow flame]

LMAO

[olive bobcat]

Absolutely, I was about to send another good one

https://open.spotify.com/track/2nBqwc3h3psFgPF1J0v24T?si=dd93e45f496d425b

[chilly nexus]

I loved that scene

[shadow flame]

Yeah i either cried of laughter or cried of crying

[burnt topaz]

i cried of crying fr

[shadow flame]

Nooooo

Ken @ barbie

Oh the message sent

[burnt topaz]

mating dances are so silly i love birds

[shadow flame]

That was weird

[shadow flame]

Yeah its so dumb

[languid linden]

Bros dabbing

[burnt topaz]

i think its cute

[shadow flame]

LMAO i forgot dabbing existed 💀

[uncut citrus]

i wish i didnt just remember

[twin bough]

It is!

[uncut citrus]

well i think YOURE cute

[twin bough]

[shadow flame]

Aww

Wholesome

[twin bough]

There are methods for that i think

[silver oak]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-men-in-black-gif-4907321

[twin bough]

Where am i?

[burnt topaz]

welcome to ss-discussion

[flat remnant]

turn back while you can

[shadow flame]

You had your memories wiped but the one thing you do know is that silksong hasn’t come out for an epoch and the sun is about to supernova in 5 minutes

Wait an epoch isnt actually that long

[olive bobcat]

Thank you for participating in our #sk-discussion auto-moderation test. If you could now please go back to speaking within the rules of the channel

[languid linden]

||Outer Wilds reference|| (||Outer Wilds spoiler||) (Outer Wilds spoiler)

[silver oak]

🙄

[violet dune]

we will discuss ants now

the ones that walk in straight lines

[quartz cave]

If your message doesnt contain the following words: Hornet, Silksong, Lace, Sherma, Pharloom.
You are permaBANNED

[surreal remnant]

ok

[burnt topaz]

barbie was a 10/10 movie pharloom

[quartz cave]

PERMABANNED (hornet silksong lace sherma pharloom)

[flat remnant]

I had a day out yesterday everything hurts silksong

[serene chasm]

Are we actually enforcing this now?

[burnt topaz]

i hope you get better soon hornet

[olive bobcat]

Wazzuuuuuuup Lace

[burnt topaz]

i love him

[quartz cave]

NOWAY CURLY BANNED
sherma

[serene chasm]

Hornet trying to make a living as musician

[silver oak]

busking for rosaries

[burnt topaz]

busker hornet would be pretty cool

[twin bough]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[burnt topaz]

new drawing idea

[serene chasm]

You should be able to busk in a town for some extra rosaries

[silver oak]

Silksong is gonna look so gooooooood 😩

[olive bobcat]

You have to do it in real time though

[burnt topaz]

busking in the low% speedrun

[olive bobcat]

You've gotta busk for like 2 hours to get 13 rosaries

[serene chasm]

such realism!

[silver oak]

The grass/leaves are so much more detailed and interesting than in greenpath, even without the color variation

[serene chasm]

Its crazy what having time to make a game can do

[silver oak]

and this was in late 2020

[burnt topaz]

i was thinking about that, its really pretty

[silver oak]

this Ari Gibson guy can draw

[burnt topaz]

this guy should draw for a video game or something

[violet dune]

they traumatize me

[trim estuary]

You’re literally a goose

[flat remnant]

I'm going to suck ari gibson's art prowess to have for my own

[burnt topaz]

evil

[silver oak]

That's a good idea I should

I mean uhhhhhh yeah I'll ask around

[flat remnant]

Now silksong will will look like a preschool drawing muhaha

[cerulean sable]

honest question, how do you feel if Silksong had bosses with some sort of micro management to it

to give you an example

[torn dirge]

Void entities real!1!!1!!

[silver oak]

the L A Y E R S

[burnt topaz]

i love how the moss is growing through the statues in the background

[silver oak]

yeah everything feels so well thought out

[torn dirge]

Also there are little moss guys there lol

[hot rampart]

Un-hollow knight

[cerulean sable]

theres a certain boss in a certain game that has a mechanic that reverses polarity using electrcity attack, (red for minus, blue for positive)

if he shifts your polarity to red, blue attacks will deal more damage but you will be immune to red, vice versa

additionally, there are floating orbs that allows you to reverse your current polarity so you have to take account of your currently polarity vs theirs in order to minimize damage

[flat remnant]

Unhollows your knight

[silver oak]

I don't even know how you would go about making a huge game, like it doesn't even look like it's repeating patterns but it must be

[burnt topaz]

ari gibson be like yeah i made those little moss guys, fully animated them and coloured them in like 2 hours

[flat remnant]

fills it with foam

[flat remnant]

Tbf they have a really basic pattern

[lethal oar]

yummy foam

[silver oak]

https://tenor.com/view/video-game-game-interface-battle-buttons-fight-gif-26043675

[flat remnant]

hi tree

[lethal oar]

hi

[flat remnant]

@violet dune get over here

[quartz cave]

Why not purple!?!?!??!? Racist!!

[burnt topaz]

id wait for a guide

[violet dune]

i've been summoned

[hot rampart]

silksong's development actually took only a year and the entire rest of the time was spent writing lore tablets

[lethal oar]

the gang is all here

[flat remnant]

The four of us are here amazing

[lethal oar]

[serene chasm]

Im blue (if I were green I would die)

[kindred pewter]

muffin is truly based ong

[burnt topaz]

whos the four

[violet dune]

anyway im going to go back to being inactive here because ants

[hot rampart]

us

[serene chasm]

Eh. Not sure if something like that would fit in SS

[flat remnant]

me tree phoebee beagle

[trim estuary]

You can tell this isn’t a real UNDERTALE recording because Papyrus has animations

[lethal oar]

we are gang

[silver oak]

yeah I feel like it's a little too complex tbh

[flat remnant]

Send gang cats

[serene chasm]

me want to hit, not think

[lethal oar]

i don’t have it on hand

[uncut citrus]

I’m also here

[cerulean sable]

Spoilers for Deaths Gambit i suppose

[burnt topaz]

dw its me and you reeves

[cerulean sable]

but yeah micro elements like these

[flat remnant]

You're not with us imposter

[lethal oar]

you aren’t in the gang

[burnt topaz]

we are in the hornet gang reeves what more could you want

[violet dune]

what are gang cats

[flat remnant]

Imagine if pk was here

[silver oak]

what's your thinking for implementing that into Silksong?

[cerulean sable]

i was asking because eventually it happens to certain games where they need to creep up difficulty once they reach a "mechanic" height so to say

[lethal oar]

[cerulean sable]

yeah asking if its something youd be ok with Silksong

[uncut citrus]

That’s what you think

[flat remnant]

Hornet is stinky unlike our gang

[cerulean sable]

the most "micro" i guess we had in HK was the spawning orbs on certain bosses

[lethal oar]

holy fuck it’s kyubey

[violet dune]

[flat remnant]

brisket guilty gear pfp

[uncut citrus]

I forgot I had this name

[uncut citrus]

Yeah that’s me

[silver oak]

hey can y'all join in on the silksong talk or take it somewhere else please

[flat remnant]

But necro talking about silksong is boring

[hot rampart]

un-silksong :}

[silver oak]

#sk-discussion

[violet dune]

wqit i thought it wasnt being enforced

[surreal remnant]

this is basically off topic for like 99% of the time, can’t really blame em

[serene chasm]

The way you are describing it, mircro whatsimacallit, change the mechanics of the game for a certain time. Up is Down?

[uncut citrus]

Sorry I didn’t realize there was a silksong talk I assumed Ttacco was just talking about some rpg

[silver oak]

ttacco was literally talking about it, like right now

[cerulean sable]

no please let them roleplay or wtv

[flat remnant]

It's not roleplay 🥹

[silver oak]

no that's pretty accurate

[flat remnant]

we actually have a little group thing

[hot rampart]

did i walk into an alternate timeline where i actually have to talk about the game

[cerulean sable]

ngl when it comes i usually just chat it on the other server

[marsh ibex]

[flat remnant]

This is all your fault ttacco

[cerulean sable]

since i know ill get more reliable answers from it lmao

[silver oak]

slower answers tho

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[charred pulsar]

damn, and theres the problem, if this aint the place to get reliable ss talk answers, there's a problem

[violet dune]

what do you mean we have always had to talk about ss here

[cerulean sable]

dont get me wrong simo we get decent discussions still

its just that its a 50/50

[violet dune]

off topic discussions have never been allowed here

[silver oak]

it's hard to gain momentum in a convo

[marsh ibex]

It’s 25/75

[hot rampart]

these are the consequences of 24/7 ss-disc pokeposting

[silver oak]

like if you get a few people talking then more join in but most often you're talking around others and then it gets annoying and stops

[marsh ibex]

because last time I did the same thing I got shit for it

[serene chasm]

Its basically a battle of people trying to discuss and the ones trying not o

[hollow terrace]

it's hard to gain momentum in a convo especially when others folks hit us with sarcastic answers or jabs

[cerulean sable]

its either you get decent discussion or you try to talk about a thing and now "lol k im not reading but ill just say congrats or im sorry aboutt it, anyway hop on to garctic besties"

[serene chasm]

ban gartic

[silver oak]

us orange names have a standard to uphold 😔 (racism I think)

[hot rampart]

i just didn't know the revolution would come this soon

[marsh ibex]

and then when you say “stay on topic” they either say “wow ss discussion is talking about ss???? Isn’t that crazy!” Five times in a row or start complaining that the ss channel is having ss talked about in it and people enforce rule

[cerulean sable]

dont get me started on "im too lazy to check what are we talking about" then immediately segways it into another different thing, then the other guy comes in and joins in and now its offtopic chat

[serene chasm]

This boss better be the most fun thing or Ill lose it

[marsh ibex]

It’s a big boss

[silver oak]

but it feels like the other option, at least until silksong drops, is to effectively kill chat most of the time

[marsh ibex]

unless it turns into a jet I ain’t buying

[hot rampart]

i think it's funny
cause. eventually no one will want to talk about silksong again.
i mean we aren't even really talking about silksong now. it's like. 3 steps removed ss

[burnt topaz]

true, it feels like a boss that could be fairly boring or really good

[cerulean sable]

i really like how they removed the lighting

i think the contrast is better on the new version

[marsh ibex]

Feels a bit too saturated currently

[burnt topaz]

i like the dynamic environment

[shadow flame]

Fr ||(i never made it past the bitchass angler fish in hollow bramble)|| outer wilds spoilers

[marsh ibex]

like those enhanced photo filters taken too far

[serene chasm]

New version is so much better

[shadow flame]

Ooh yes agree

[marsh ibex]

better for readability in the fight ig

[shadow flame]

They way toned down that filter now its not so hazy

[violet dune]

so does the enforcment of ss related topics mean that ss will release soon

[hot rampart]

actually thats how we should do it
if what you're talking about isn't at max 3 steps removed from silksong it should be ILLEGAL

[marsh ibex]

we have literally always done this

[serene chasm]

We are not a liberty to say

[marsh ibex]

“If people are talking SS it takes precedent”

[silver oak]

the point isn't not wanting off topic convo, it's enforcing the off topic okay thing so little that silksong talk is overridden when it would have happened in the past

[marsh ibex]

don’t act like this is a new thing

[cerulean sable]

i dont mind offtopic because yeah thats part of the situation rn, my petpeeve is when im discussing something with someone and now someone else interjects with random stuff, then follows it up with "WOW SILKSONG DISCUSSION IN SS DISC???" contributes to nothing, then goes off with something completely random

[flat remnant]

okay this i love bosses fitting in with the background but they stand out from the environment just enough

[charred pulsar]

Curly looking forward to this boss hey?

[marsh ibex]

I guess he ate ants as a wee lad

[violet dune]

i'm sorry i genuinely never noticed

[silver oak]

yeah the glare was too much in the old one

lots more colors, more personality now

[cerulean sable]

i prefer the contrast

i think its a good step up from HK's more subdued palette

[marsh ibex]

I preferred the old one

[serene chasm]

How awesome are they? Blink once for awesome and twice for really awesome

[burnt topaz]

i imagine the rest of the area having that sort of look too

[marsh ibex]

it looks hotter

[cerulean sable]

also gameplay visibility

the orange haze just reminds me of the bad tint Fallout 3 and New Vegas had

[hot rampart]

well hey at the very least
it's a thing that wasn't enforced to such a degree that i had no idea it was in place.
so. There's reason for acting like it's new i think

[burnt topaz]

id like maybe a little more red but i think it looks good

or orange ig

[twin bough]

Wait a minute do we actually have to talk about silksong now

[flat remnant]

Amina wants blood

[silver oak]

no

[twin bough]

Uh silking songing

[marsh ibex]

reading is hard apparently

[hot rampart]

what are we supposed to read

[serene chasm]

?tag pins 6

[white sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[cerulean sable]

[flat remnant]

Once again reminded that the majority of regulars are 5

[hot rampart]

the message was edited so it didn't actually register as a new pin or anything

[cerulean sable]

(not you specifically btw)

[twin bough]

Im older than you

[silver oak]

it's not new????

[shadow flame]

For sure ss related

But yeah it is kind of annoying to try and talk off topic in here and get cut off, but that’s just how most servers are and I like talking SS so i don’t mind if it takes priority

[marsh ibex]

that barely happens

People rarely bring up SS here

[twin bough]

Its clearly not been enforced and the pin was edited weeks ago

[marsh ibex]

it very much is

[serene chasm]

Really love the update this guy got. I know not everyone likes the changes in the background, but I do think the original was a bit too busy. It looks like stuff was placed there just to fill it in

[marsh ibex]

I mean it looks better

[shadow flame]

Which event do u guys think is most likely for SS release date

[marsh ibex]

like a fishbowl

[silver oak]

damn I thought simo had added lemmon for a sec

[cerulean sable]

TGA

[twin bough]

99% of the messages have not been about silksong?

[cerulean sable]

im not even joking at this point

[violet dune]

tga

[cerulean sable]

i unironically think its going to be in TGA

[serene chasm]

Man. TGA is too far

[shadow flame]

NOOOOOO THATS SOOO FARRR

[silver oak]

God it's been too long, I forgot where we got all those new screenshots

[cerulean sable]

they 0 release dates right now other than "we are aiming for early 2023"

[languid linden]

Taco we’ve been saying TGA for years

[burnt topaz]

arenas totally changed though right
coming from maybe the bottom in the new one from the left or right in the old one

[marsh ibex]

what part of “When Silksong is brought up it takes precedent and that rule is enforced” isn’t true

[serene chasm]

Im Team End of q3

[burnt topaz]

tga would be so funny and cool i think

[cerulean sable]

im not fucking joking at this rate i feel like if they have an option to release, TGA would be their best target given the previous promised release date

[marsh ibex]

I hope it’s Nintendo Live

it would be funnier

[shadow flame]

Man the first bg was so good imo

[cerulean sable]

i just dont want to get sandwiched between AC6 and the next jank """"RPG"""" from Bethesda

[flat remnant]

Silksong for tga is not going to outmatch the hype for among us 2

[cerulean sable]

hell maybe instead of 4 dialogue options theyll just strip it down to "yes" and "no, but ill do it later"

either i think its a hectic time period

[silver oak]

tbh I kinda like the slight blue filter over the boss and some of the attacks, I think it brings it together a little more

[cerulean sable]

but late Q4 is my possibility

[shadow flame]

I’m looking towards PAX Aus and Nintendo Live for announcments

[silver oak]

oh my god

[shadow flame]

Idk just a hunch (its not gonna happen)

[twin bough]

Any time between now and december tbh

[shadow flame]

Yum!

[stoic sigil]

LMAO

[cerulean sable]

i feel like small time isnt gonna cut out now, TC either self publishes or gets to an actual big event

[serene chasm]

No one cares about another AC game. The spacerim game might sell better but that only cause its a AAA game made by bethesda. Not sure if SS needs to worry that much about it

[cerulean sable]

Armored Core btw

[stoic sigil]

A piece of food so offensive the mods had to delete it

[marsh ibex]

People care about armored core

[serene chasm]

oh

[burnt topaz]

not assassins creed

[cerulean sable]

Assassins Creed will sell like hotcakes regardless

[silver oak]

a PAX aus release date would be cool because it means Ari and William interview

[serene chasm]

lol

[violet dune]

tf did i miss

[shadow flame]

Yeaaaa

[stoic sigil]

Beanza

[burnt topaz]

we are flying team cherry out to the game awards

[hollow terrace]

Can you just not please

[marsh ibex]

No one cares about beans on pizza we’re trying to not have chat derail into shitposting nonsense again

[tall juniper]

Should i

[silver oak]

holy crap

[cerulean sable]

lmfao

[silver oak]

I actually can't

[twin bough]

Apparently this aint allowed rn or something

[burnt topaz]

yes you should but you came at a bad time lol

[flat remnant]

Yes you should slime rancher

[tall juniper]

What did I do

[silver oak]

[tall juniper]

[violet dune]

offtopic isnt allowed here any more

[flat remnant]

Run

[serene chasm]

How could you wax!

[tall juniper]

WHAT

[hot rampart]

it won't stop.
there has been a fundamental change to the ss-disc dynamic.
Confusion only grows.
None are fully aware.

[tall juniper]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[violet dune]

pins

[serene chasm]

Anyways. Sure get it, if its on sale, and now lets go back to talking about SS

[silver oak]

the pins were literally not changed

[shadow flame]

What 😭 i thought we could do whatever unless SS is brought up then we stop acting goofy

[burnt topaz]

yeah i was gonna say arent the pins literally the same

[marsh ibex]

Have you been reading anything we’ve been saying

[hollow terrace]

Nothing changed we’re just reiterating that silksong discussion takes priority

Please it’s not new

[tall juniper]

Ok so nothing changed

[violet dune]

i still dont understand most of what youre saying

[shadow flame]

Well yeah but does anyone here want to discuss it right now?

[cerulean sable]

were not surprised

[twin bough]

You are aware of how fast moving this chat is right? Cant expect people who just show up to read every message

[cerulean sable]

we are

[opaque sigil]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the weaker fights

[tall juniper]

So why are people saying I can't at a bad time for asking if I should get Slay the spire

[hot rampart]

nothing you've been saying is really that clear.
so.

[marsh ibex]

literally how

[twin bough]

Expecting people to read literally every message is unreasonable

[burnt topaz]

it was during silksong discussion so it was a little disruptive

[marsh ibex]

“Be on topic when Silksong is the current topic”

[shadow flame]

Maybe cuz no one actually listening cuz we aint gonna re read

[burnt topaz]

dw about it wax

[marsh ibex]

What part of that is confusing

[serene chasm]

Like this particular bosses weaker fight, or among all bosses?

[opaque sigil]

slow, hit box is high up, doesn't really lend itself well to a particularly reactive fight

[flat remnant]

Alright imma head out

[tall juniper]

Alright that's cool
Literally nothing has changed Why does everyone seem so tense

[opaque sigil]

as in less engaging

[marsh ibex]

probably among all bosses

[twin bough]

Tired

[burnt topaz]

im rating it around nosk tier

[violet dune]

im going to take a shower im not going to be able to deal with this right now bye.

[shadow flame]

Bye

[serene chasm]

Probably.

[twin bough]

Bye wither

[silver oak]

they're probably a slower fight, with less constant attacks

[marsh ibex]

the size and large windup (assumedly) behind hits would lead it to being less engaging

[burnt topaz]

neat presentation but im not being like oh boy im so excited to fight it again

[kindred pewter]

I don't, showering is cirnge!!!

[silver oak]

but I don't think that means that they'll be less interesting

[opaque sigil]

which is fine but kind of doesn't seem to be ss's vibe

[silver oak]

like, the floor getting destroyed is sick

[opaque sigil]

it's hard to have a slow fight when the established pace is faster

[cerulean sable]

im not a fan of their anims in the trailer

like they look tweened

[silver oak]

tbf that was 4 years ago

[opaque sigil]

the arena destruction is cool, yes

[serene chasm]

We all know who the best boss is going to be

[kindred pewter]

bubble baths are better

[marsh ibex]

probably gonna be mid

[opaque sigil]

I'm just saying if Lace is meant to set the pace of boss fights going forwards that fight looks to go at a snail's pace, even if it does make you work with a more dynamic arena

[kindred pewter]

my bets is on lace

[silver oak]

I'm expecting carmelita to be a good fight

[kindred pewter]

or yeah carmelita

[hot rampart]

i think silksong will be a good game

[opaque sigil]

carmelita looks cool yeah

[burnt topaz]

trobbio fight >>

[cerulean sable]

also gonna be real i unironically dont like the idea of Lace being an ally

[twin bough]

Yeah i agree with this

[opaque sigil]

yeah idk why they would do that

[twin bough]

Cant really expect anything about the specifics of the game yet imo

Then again i just dont expect things

[marsh ibex]

maybe not an ally but like

[silver oak]

I am looking forward to some bigger fights tho, we've seen a lot of bosses that are around Hornet's size or slightly bigger
That's why Patricia my beloved

[marsh ibex]

not entirely enemies by the end of it

[hot rampart]

i think hornets movement speed will be 14 in the code.

[opaque sigil]

ofc there may be a good reason to have lace switch sides that we just don't know of but it doesn't seem particularly plausible. They do likely have a common foe but the whole enemy of my enemy thing isn't really true

[kindred pewter]

im pretty sure the boss fight where we see 2 big cone heads wil be the eassier boss fights

[marsh ibex]

like a violent “acquaintance”

[burnt topaz]

i hope patricia falls down and is some freaky long monster and has freaky movements and scuttles across the arena

[cerulean sable]

all im saying is i just dont really delve well with a character that tells you that she is going to rip you apart and enjoy it as some sort of "oh im actually a good person by the end of it"

by all means if shes gonna cooperate with hornet it would remain hostile

it just feels forced and weird otherwise

[opaque sigil]

I mean redemption arcs can work but idk if ss is the right format

[tall juniper]

Honest to God tho, I loved hornets fight and how mobile she was. I think Seth and lace are gonna be pog. Especially since it looks you can get an ally out of Seth

[cerulean sable]

thats just how i see it

[hot rampart]

ss fanservice

[silver oak]

yeah having an ally character that's still jjust a dick

[cerulean sable]

i can count on that

[burnt topaz]

they wouldnt.. unless 😔

[marsh ibex]

it’d be cool if she became a temporary ally but betrayed you at the end

[cerulean sable]

just not "im actualy a good person" given her intro

[twin bough]

Thats me!!

[silver oak]

but is it a slightly sad betrayed, or a gleeful knowing one

[marsh ibex]

A gleeful power grab

[tall juniper]

like patches from DS3

[silver oak]

lace actually eats you for real

[burnt topaz]

she says teehee then kicks you off the citadel

[tall juniper]

or rather, ||Lapp||

[marsh ibex]

If we are to assume the Citadel is keeping the curse active, Lace aiding you so as to leave a power vacuum that she inhabits would he fun

[shell yacht]

i hope shes like patches so i can kill her

[cerulean sable]

The only Lace ending that should be allows is Hornet dive kicking her from the Citadel

also i dont believe it was lace that sent those butterflies

just saying

[hot rampart]

i think there should be a section in silksong like the shrine of believers except it's just a big room with a plaque that says "ss-discussion" on top that plays a live feed of every message that's sent here

[marsh ibex]

how

[kindred pewter]

we need to have an ally that betrays us for more power and then realizes the power of friendship is the best power

[cerulean sable]

or maybe she did it because shes adverse against the citadel

maybe

[tall juniper]

i hope i get immortalized in silksong as 'the guy who pissed off the mods with slay the spire"

[cerulean sable]

i want my Churchkeeper theory

[twin bough]

Oh boy i want people to see my cursed messages

[marsh ibex]

I mean it’s pretty heavily implied she was the one to do so lol

[cerulean sable]

i say otherwise

[silver oak]

I don't think Lace would want to have the top spot

[kindred pewter]

for me I hope garmond reads my messages

[silver oak]

She seems very happy to be a mercenary

[burnt topaz]

thats what ive been thinking, if hornets alive the citadel can use her for whatever reason so she kills hornet herself instead

[grand ferry]

is nice

[tall juniper]

lace is agent 47?

[silver oak]

lace being a third party would be cool

[cerulean sable]

Yeah, its either she was hoping the fall would kill her and deny her as an asset or

Its the fuckign Church Keeper who controlled it duhh

[twin bough]

Its canon

[marsh ibex]

is it confirmed she’s a hired hand

[hot rampart]

i also think there should be little npc's that hop out of the chat board with the pfp of the people inside
so like
necro could hop out of the chat board and we could hit em around in the little chat house thing for fun

[cerulean sable]

she wanted to free Hornet so they could task them to fix wtv the shit is with Pharloom

[burnt topaz]

i always assumed she was some sort of 3rd party

[silver oak]

Silksong has the opportunity to explore some of the politics of Pharloom

[twin bough]

I cant wait for people to hit chris pratts face

[tall juniper]

pale king wasnt in any of the HK trailers and he was the ruler of Hallownest, so we have yet to see the citadel king or whatever controls Pharloom.

[cerulean sable]

i unironnically hope for some reason a civil war happens

[silver oak]

Like Hallownest was dead and gone, but we might get to meet and fight the Pharloom top brass

there's a resistance, it would be so cool

[serene chasm]

You damn Stormcloaks!

[cerulean sable]

maybe this is just me but civil wars is always one of my fondest style of conflicts in any literature

not just Skyrim

Skyrim's civil war system was garbage

[burnt topaz]

haha top "brass"

[tall juniper]

yeah always side with the imperials anyWAYS

what other games havea civil war you can play out

[silver oak]

yes, that was definitely intentional

[tall juniper]

i dont think Ss will be one of them

[hot rampart]

brassers

[burnt topaz]

i got the joke can i get a cookie

[twin bough]

Who needs games when you can cause them irl

[silver oak]

you sure got the joke that I made on purpose

[cerulean sable]

I just like how usually its smaller groups outfighting each other, that or 1 homogenous group getting chipped by multiple smaller ones

[burnt topaz]

and i got a cookie for my troubles

[cerulean sable]

powervacuums are just entertaining to read about

[twin bough]

🍪 take another

[cerulean sable]

also in strategy games i just like having a super colorful map

[burnt topaz]

slow down im on a diet

[twin bough]

🍪 another

[silver oak]

Characters like Carmelita could part of the resistance against the kingdom

[cerulean sable]

ehhh

[marsh ibex]

she seems pretty separate

[hot rampart]

i think in ss hornet should meet a business dad who doesn't have time to take care of his daughter cause he's too busy running the company but because of hornet's kindness he learns the true meaning of christmas and marries her to set up a sequel.

[cerulean sable]

tbh real yeah i think shes going to be seperate

[tall juniper]

dancer ant

[marsh ibex]

content to just do her own thing and whatever with her people

[silver oak]

idk I feel like there would be some crossover

[marsh ibex]

this isn’t infinity war

[cerulean sable]

i dont think every single faction or group in Pharloom is going to be intertwined with the politics

[burnt topaz]

having more separate entities not entirely involved in the conflict would make the world feel a little bit bigger

[cerulean sable]

yeah

its like the mantis situation

[twin bough]

Are you 100% sure?

[silver oak]

Like Pharloom is the biggest force in the region, I doubt they would be able to completely seperate themselves

[hot rampart]

i think my business dad theory could work

[marsh ibex]

Hive in Hallownest

[silver oak]

mmm true

I wish the 3 queens thing was canon it would be so cool

[marsh ibex]

eh

[tall juniper]

personally i believe that the Pharloom version of the Hive is the Ant's nest

[cerulean sable]

also politics wise i think Pharloom as a theocracy is going to be more like a conglomerate than just one single hegemony

[hot rampart]

pale christmas

[marsh ibex]

Really only worked when the hive was in deepnest

[tall juniper]

hegemol from pale court?

[cerulean sable]

true

[silver oak]

yeah that's why they changed it

but still

[burnt topaz]

hm maybe theres a small faction within the marrow

[marsh ibex]

that giant bell filled tunnel system?

[silver oak]

I still don't understand the marrow like at all

[marsh ibex]

like sewer people?

[burnt topaz]

sure

[silver oak]

rats

bell rats

[burnt topaz]

tiny baby bell beasts

[marsh ibex]

brats

[cerulean sable]

i just hope TC doesnt actually miss this opportunity because now theyll end up needing to flesh out multiple characters vs to "oh this one is dead heres one snippet of vague dialogue"

i think William had a writing degree tho

[tall juniper]

we need big hat logan type lore

[serene chasm]

he doesnt

[cerulean sable]

didnt he?

[silver oak]

I stole it

[burnt topaz]

give it back?

[cerulean sable]

i swear one of them has a diploma in literature

[opaque sigil]

it's a network of tunnels throughout the kingdom, it's not too dissimilar to the stagways conceptually, just maybe naturally occurring

[silver oak]

yeah but you can enter it which confuses me

[twin bough]

this one is cool

[silver oak]

how much of it will be interactable

[tall juniper]

its like a subway
you can ride the thing made to transport through that area
or you can walk

[burnt topaz]

check out the everything we know about silksong doc in the pins

[hot rampart]

remember guys
all endings in hollow knight are canon
including the christmas ending

[cerulean sable]

honestly outside of one fight

[opaque sigil]

That may be just to fight the beast, i don't think you can traverse it entirely without the bell beast

[serene chasm]

Pretty sure he doesnt. I was just on his linkedin and only thing there was web development and programming

[cerulean sable]

i dont think you can physically enter and exit the marrow

[twin bough]

Real

[opaque sigil]

you can enter a bit of it

[cerulean sable]

well i think im gaslighting myself then because i unironically do somewhat remember there was (im guessing its Ari???)

[silver oak]

sure
not like we know what the map looks like at all

[twin bough]

I hope silksong has a walmart

[opaque sigil]

the dustroach pens are basically a walmart

[tall juniper]

gtg fellas, cya in 3 monthsss

[silver oak]

Ari is a professional animator but I don't think William has formal training?

[twin bough]

Yeah no i want a hyperrealistic image of a walmart placed somewhere

In the game

Like anywhere is fine

[silver oak]

stop lurking simo and tell us stuff about silksong

[shell yacht]

[burnt topaz]

hes watching us get it all wrong 😔

[cerulean sable]

Ok maybe its not a degree

hold on

[twin bough]

Hi powdered

[shell yacht]

simo free us

[cerulean sable]

im gonna try finding it

[wary imp]

Simo I'm gonna come out from lurking to tell you to stop lurking

[cerulean sable]

ok nvm i dont wanna look for it

[twin bough]

Hi noodles

[cerulean sable]

i think it was a gaslighting situation

[wary imp]

Hello alferado

[twin bough]

Its a me

[cerulean sable]

but eitherway yeah writing is one thing im kinda concerned about

[twin bough]

Its 5am im gonna sleep

[cerulean sable]

like making lore is one thing but full on dialogue writing on a scale is different

[wary imp]

NOW YOH THUNJ ITS TIME TO SLEEP

[cerulean sable]

again not saying its gonna be bad but its gonna be definitely different

[silver oak]

HK was pretty good at it but it looks like Silksong has a lot more moving parts

[twin bough]

I guess so

[wary imp]

When are you supposed to get up

[twin bough]

Not

[shell yacht]

HK was a hella dead kingdom, nobody was really around to do anything but exposit dump. pharloom needs to feel more alive

[cerulean sable]

all i do remember from an interview

was that theyre not gonna force dialogue on you

and you can just ignore majority of the stuff

[silver oak]

you would have to make sure you don't here dialogue before or after you should

[shell yacht]

i want to trip over a rock and have it tell me its life story

[serene chasm]

then complain about it in #hk-lore

[coarse leaf]

same here, I trust that team cherry will make the most out of a more volatile environment for storytelling but I can also forsee it being tha weakest part

[silver oak]

like if a character interacts with another, or you interact with a character, but the game doesn't recognize that and tells you something that doesn't make sense anymore or yet

[cerulean sable]

honestly given this is TC i wouldnt be surprised if they added a "OMG YOU ACTUALLY CAMEBACK I THOUGHT YOU DIDNT NOTICE ME" style dialogue

or at leaste accounts for those checks

[shell yacht]

my main worry really is vagueness or retcons

[cerulean sable]

Yeah the lore is good, its just that ofc given the amount of info we have, writing is currently not really prominent (i mean, obviously its not exciting to just show your writing either way)

like gameplaywise we can already see the improvement

but were talking something havent gotten much exposure to yet

[hollow terrace]

man if silksong writing is actually ass for a overall good game... idk how I would process it...

shellshocked really

[cerulean sable]

the trick is not to force shitty dialogue on the player

[silver oak]

can't retcon something if it's a prequel

[opaque sigil]

tc uses a lot of dialogue triggers (even some which are entirely redundant like wl checking for kb) so wouldn't really worry

[cerulean sable]

HOLD ON, DID YOU JUST SHIFT REALITY??

[coarse leaf]

oh fo sure, the fact that the actual writing/plot/lore whatever is the least known is a contributing factor

[opaque sigil]

would absolutely have to retcon some shit if it's a prequel

[silver oak]

shhhhh

don't say it too loudly

[cerulean sable]

yeah having Hornet talk and set it into a live kingdom is a massive diff

i hate prequels

like progression wise

they feel like "oh well we know how Hornet is gonna end up anyway"

lot less rooms for interpretation

[coarse leaf]

honestly if its a prequel i will be kinda mad

[coarse leaf]

eggsactly

[cerulean sable]

and also all that developement that happened in SS would pretty much be for nothing because poof, its all gone from SS

[twin bough]

I will not care too much if it is or isnt a prequel

[silver oak]

I want hornet to be able to travel off into the wilderness, looking for a new adventure in a new kingdom

I want hornet to fucking die

[shell yacht]

ill livestream me melting my switch or smth if prequel happens

[cerulean sable]

im not saying prequels cant be done well, just saying for a game like HK, i feel like open ended interpretations is the better part

[silver oak]

promise?

[stoic sigil]

Screenshotting this just in case

[cerulean sable]

do it water

[opaque sigil]

well yeah even fucking midquels or whatever you want to call them can be done well

[coarse leaf]

I want hornet to express herself/her personality in every single way team cherry could think of

[cerulean sable]

lowkey betting Hornet is going to be "good is not nice"

[coarse leaf]

have her liek practice her music or something on her needle as an idle animation or something pliz

[inland ravine]

Yo everyone

[kindred pewter]

hey gwnj

[serene chasm]

Hey GWNJ

[cerulean sable]

like she'll help you, and she'll be polite about it, but she has no time for nonsense

[silver oak]

look, TC did say they were beating the game really fast
this would give Hornet enough time to make it to Pharloom and back to fight the Knight in Kingdom's Edge

[inland ravine]

CURLY
Garmond

[serene chasm]

more idol animations would be cool

[stoic sigil]

That's what I've been saying

[burnt topaz]

oh my god

[twin bough]

Hi gwnj!!!

[lusty horizon]

idol animations.....

[inland ravine]

Master
Amina

[stoic sigil]

Silksong takes place between Hornet 1 and 2 🤯

[cerulean sable]

she asks the smith nicely to replicate her tools, but outright told Lace to shut the fuck up

[burnt topaz]

heyllo

[coarse leaf]

seeing her visibly annoyed/fed up would make me lol

[twin bough]

Minor spelling error detected

[tall juniper]

Gwnj

[cerulean sable]

ngl Hornet feels like shes almost 24/7 at the state ready to be annoyed 🥴

[silver oak]

I like having her not mincing words

[inland ravine]

Wax

[violet dune]

i dont think hornet can do the city cutscene and then do silksong and then get to kingdoms edge in time

[lusty horizon]

Now I just imagine Hornet dancing like an idol lmao

if I still had my hornet rig I could probably animate that

[silver oak]

Idk if having her already having an established personality would make the writing easier or harder

[hollow terrace]

I really want hornet to be really awkward with casual chitchat

[silver oak]

she kind of already is lmao

[coarse leaf]

PLIZ I want awkward mundane interactions/conversations

[cerulean sable]

the time for grumpy 40 year old main characters and hip marvel quip/joke maker protags is over

its now time for Hornet to reintroduce the "yeah yeah i get the joke, i just didnt find it funny" era

[silver oak]

the knight doesn't say shit and she's like "SO YOU FACED THE PLACE OF YOUR BIRTH"

[cerulean sable]

nah i think thats just her royal speak

she was born from royalty after all

[hollow terrace]

Not like the “my mom died” more so the “look im just not that talkative sorry for not carrying the convo”

[silver oak]

and then hornet said "no off topic in #sk-discussion "

[cerulean sable]

yeah

thats how i see it too

[kindred pewter]

I want hornet to be a hyper active girlboss that has coffee 24/7 and says random nonsense

[silver oak]

at the very least, silksong will have around twice the amount of dialogue that HK has imo

[kindred pewter]

one day she will!!!

[twin bough]

BASED

[kindred pewter]

and twice the amount of gigs

[cerulean sable]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotSoft like this is how i personally see Hornet's character

[coarse leaf]

I think the legitimately humorous parts of hk add a ton of memorability and levity to its atmosphere so im looking foward to how they'll handle it with hornet/silksong

[kindred pewter]

how many gigs was hk? 4 gigs? yeah silksong will have 9 gigs

[cerulean sable]

oh god yes please

[serene chasm]

8

[twin bough]

K im actually going to sleep have a good night to those of you that i find cool

[cerulean sable]

im tired of SUPER SERIOUS HARDCORE SOULS LIKE ROGUELIKE DEEP DARK LORE shit

[full rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/675204322698461194/1134636017924718642/oblobbles.gif

[cerulean sable]

like theres darker writing then theres just being so over self unaware that its just laughable

[silver oak]

HK has a great contrast with the dark oppressive atmosphere vs the wacky goofy character designs

[cerulean sable]

im not saying SS needs to be super serious but lightheartedness can be done with it

yeah

someone did say HK took it self too seriously which i guess the author just has shit tastes

[burnt topaz]

i think theres gotta be some lightheartedness

[silver oak]

have you even playtested radiant lost grimm

we already see some of it, like with Trobbio, or Sherma, or the moment with the Churchkeeper where they're playing music

[coarse leaf]

like the fact that you get robbed by an old woman/fumble a bbw/can smack a big caterpillars ass/ and more is so awesome, it helps elevate the gloomy/derelict vibe a lot

[cerulean sable]

yeah actuall magazine does say Trobbio is supposed to do something stupid

[silver oak]

moments of reprieve and go a long way

[burnt topaz]

trobbios theme is gonna be so good i can hear it now

[violet dune]

agreed

[languid linden]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-mr-mushroom-stylerx01-slap-gif-15687782

[silver oak]

TRUE

[kindred pewter]

I want some silly lore not dark and painful lore

[cerulean sable]

\

found it

[coarse leaf]

yes literally also the entire existence of mr mushroom

[silver oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeXj4EEbU84

[coarse leaf]

flamboyant is a great descriptor

[kindred pewter]

mr mushroom more like mr MIDroom like who really cares about this mushroom???

[cerulean sable]

the only thing left for Trobbio's intro is him strapping a guy to a piano, attaching multiple explosives then blowing him up when he fucks up the song

[fleet temple]

also the eterneal ordeal

[cerulean sable]

this has occured on 2 different games with the same character archetype

so naturally im expecting SS to be the 3rd

[burnt topaz]

pianos are at their best when destroyed

[cerulean sable]

~~ double this

[silver oak]

~~like this~~

[kindred pewter]

TRUE keyboard is way better

[lusty horizon]

Update on this thing

The intro's intentionally like this to give room for the upcoming narration

[silver oak]

is the low string a voice too?

[cerulean sable]

fr i think with the amount of sprites? HK was around 10 but 20 uncompressed i think

ss might hit around 15-25

[lusty horizon]

another voice with a double bass yea

[silver oak]

HK was like 8 gigs I think

[cerulean sable]

ok so im guessing around 10-14

a rought guesstimate

[cerulean sable]

id be more worried on the performance

[silver oak]

imagine having the game installed

[kindred pewter]

hollow knight was 8 gb??? damn

[cerulean sable]

HK was strugging before lifeblood

[kindred pewter]

in that case, ss will have 16 gigs

TRUE

[cerulean sable]

i shit you not that was an era a 2017 laptop couldnt run HK

[silver oak]

it performed pretty well for me in most scenarios

[cerulean sable]

it didnt in lower ends

perf got bad which is why lifeblood happened

[silver oak]

before I upgraded my laptop I would get framedrops on THK and Radiance tho

[inland ravine]

zal

[burnt topaz]

yeah it runs pretty poorly on my laptop now but my laptop also isnt that good

most it can do is like darkest dungeon

[coarse leaf]

i trust that the time tc is allowing themselves + experience will result in a smoother initial launch with better performance

if that isn't the case though that'd be kinda effed up

[stoic sigil]

It's ok I trust in play tester Simo

If Simo wasn't happy with Silksong development I think he'd show it

[fleet temple]

"Bruh just get a good graphics card they only cost like $2800 stop whining"

[serene chasm]

Team Cherry has money to pay him off

[silver oak]

In a perfect world, HK would have released in early 2019 and no one would have been mad about it
But understandably, they had to put it out earlier than they would have wanted to

[coarse leaf]

imagine needing 2000 terashits per gigafart to play silksong

[burnt topaz]

simo, more like sold out

[stoic sigil]

Scandalous

[opaque sigil]

“Just release silksong and then finish it via dlc” people malding rn

[silver oak]

let them seethe

[burnt topaz]

do people really say this

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[silver oak]

I will simply float on the steam they produce

[burnt topaz]

[stoic sigil]

TC releases Silksong in an unplayable state, Simo resigns, disappears with a Graigillion Dollars

[fleet temple]

damn, if that's how long hk would've taken to fully complete it then silksong ain't coming out for a LONG time

[silver oak]

except they went back

[kindred pewter]

I seriousely want to know what happened in this image

[silver oak]

but like, at first

[burnt topaz]

no mans sky

[silver oak]

holy crap they're both australian

[opaque sigil]

Aussies can’t win a war with birds but damn can they make games

[cerulean sable]

honestly were reaching

6 years?

of dev

or 5

no wait its 5

[burnt topaz]

2018

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

5 years of exclusive dev

[cerulean sable]

were way past it now

[burnt topaz]

5 minimum

[hollow terrace]

Years and no show, team cherry are laundering our money

[silver oak]

Godmaster released 5 years ago next month

[cerulean sable]

do they even need to do that 🥴

[burnt topaz]

this is our pantheon 5

[opaque sigil]

Five year anniversary of the worst part of the game wooo

[cerulean sable]

oh no were not having this discussion again are we

[serene chasm]

no

[hollow terrace]

Oh yeah we’re close to godmaster anniversary

[silver oak]

pause

[hollow terrace]

YIPPEE

[silver oak]

rethink

godmaster discourse is now banned

[cerulean sable]

for the best

[opaque sigil]

Finally

[burnt topaz]

i love p5 😃

[languid linden]

YES

[opaque sigil]

Ban all mention of that shit by all means

[languid linden]

FINALLY

[inland ravine]

*ps5/j

[languid linden]

CAN YOU BAN MASK MAKER TOO

[cerulean sable]

look at the brightside

if SS doesnt have DLC

[hollow terrace]

godmaster discourse is now banned with the final say godmaster was a good update

[cerulean sable]

that means the lore is going to be more integrated on content

that means no godmaster equivalent /s

[radiant wraith]

I mean

[inland ravine]

ian :D

[radiant wraith]

TC sucks at making DLC 🥴

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[radiant wraith]

so we don't want those

Unemployed Lass

[fleet temple]

Yeah they didn't even make dlc that's how much they suck at it

[silver oak]

TC made like 1 and a half good DLCs if you pool all 4 and pick out the good bits

[opaque sigil]

Content updates are necessarily insular so yeah hopefully they don’t use those as a crutch for an unfinished game

[burnt topaz]

i want to go to a bench then open an option that says refight boss and i can refight the boss

[hollow terrace]

Team cherry were task to make an one dlc and they “failed” it that doesn’t mean they’re bad at making dlcs!!!!!!

[serene chasm]

This room is interesting.

[opaque sigil]

Lifeblood, hidden dreams

[radiant wraith]

They downgraded the hive

[languid linden]

What did Lifeblood add

[radiant wraith]

it was so cool before...

[cerulean sable]

ok uhhh

[languid linden]

Like 2 attacks for Nosk

[radiant wraith]

it had uhm

[cerulean sable]

whats your opinion on the gears spinning in a low frame

[opaque sigil]

Traitor lord became a real boss, hive became a real area

[languid linden]

Hive Knight

[silver oak]

it looks cool

[languid linden]

Traitor Lord is still a bad boss

[burnt topaz]

worm boss but it has those bladelike edges

[radiant wraith]

But you remember Traitor Lord

[opaque sigil]

He’s no longer just a traitor mantis but larger

[cerulean sable]

they kinda looked off for me

[silver oak]

this room is cool because it still feels like TC while also feeling nothing like HK

[cerulean sable]

thats just me ofc

but im guessing smooth spinning wheels woudlve looked weirder

[opaque sigil]

If you don’t remember traitor lord pre-lifeblood then sure he’s not all that but trust me he’s so much better now

[burnt topaz]

we remember everything in hk we are all regulars in the hk server

[cerulean sable]

Traitor Lord was a none boss before

he was literally just a bigger mantis

[languid linden]

Nosk is still a non boss

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[radiant wraith]

but it looks cool...

yall because you are superficial gameplay fans

what if the boss looks cool

[burnt topaz]

i wish winged nosk was cooler

[radiant wraith]

Graphics are more important

[opaque sigil]

HK has some whiffs with its bosses

[silver oak]

what if bosses played as good as they looked

[cerulean sable]

honestly all the DLC bosses are good except for Flying Nosk which feels more like a cool in theory thing

[opaque sigil]

I do hope ss is more consistently good

[languid linden]

Nosk is such a waste because it has the best build up of any boss and a super cool design, as well as decently interesting lore, and then it’s a boringass boss

[cerulean sable]

i kinda have huge faith in the bosses, the DLC track record is easily a good indicator that they know what theyre doing

compare it to base game bosses

[languid linden]

Winged Nosk

[coarse leaf]

that's another hope I have for ss, pretty cold take but I think that any lesser bosses like nosk/some of the dream ones/etc were to exist in it I would be more critical of them than I was when I first played hk

[radiant wraith]

I care most abour regular enemy complexity

[cerulean sable]

ofc the big caveat is they designed those bosses in mind that you already have a huge extensive ability that they can configure the bosses move with

[radiant wraith]

since regular HK enemies are uhm

[silver oak]

they talked about that in EDGE iirc

[burnt topaz]

they said the regular enemies in silksong would be more engaging

[serene chasm]

ttalked about what?

[burnt topaz]

or something along those lines

[cerulean sable]

same, whenever we talk about HKs combat, we always say its good but the usually its pertaining to the bosses and the colloseum

[opaque sigil]

Moss knights were pretty engaging
They were also the only enemies that were and they were only in the second area

[languid linden]

I can’t wait for the quadruple damage enemies

[silver oak]

"Indeed, we see several sneakily strung-up trigger threads across the Kingdom, designed to catch out those not paying proper attention to their surroundings. Pharloom and its residents know how dangerous Hornet is, then, and are determined to be dangerous right back. “One thing that did seem to happen is that in Hollow Knight, you could essentially create a Goomba from Mario, and it was very acceptable,” Gibson says. “It fit within the complexity of that game. And this game… it doesn’t seem to allow Goombas to quite the same degree. There’s some level of intelligence even in a ‘Goomba’.”"

[opaque sigil]

TC really ran out of ideas for mob combat 30 seconds in

[silver oak]

"Pellen agrees, noting that the most complex non-boss enemies in the first game tended to be the more humanoid bugs – the sword-and-shield guardians in the City Of Tears spring to mind, enemies that can block attacks from multiple angles and have more sophisticated movement patterns. “Yeah,” Pellen says, “even those were quite simple – and it didn’t matter at all at the time – in that you could quite easily lure them off platforms, or watch them chase you and they’d hit a wall and just turn around and you’d be like, ‘Well, that’s fine, it’s a videogame’. But the characters in this game, they’re kind of one step beyond that, where it doesn’t quite feel right for them to be that simple. Like, they have to have surprising ways of chasing you, keeping up with you, or evading your attacks.” (Or, indeed, of appearing to interact with the environment: we spot the occasional beetle flying around with a useful glowing Mossberry item clutched in its mandibles.)"

mucho texto

[serene chasm]

yeah. Im expecting the mobs to be a lot more engaging

[coarse leaf]

ouuuugghghhh im soo eggsited for the enemy complexity

[radiant wraith]

more about the idle enemy behavior

[coarse leaf]

make them feel REAL and ALOIVE

[serene chasm]

I mean

[radiant wraith]

they do be doing a lot of going back and forth

[cerulean sable]

honestly at the very basic theyre gonna integrate the platform to platform jumping on almost every "smart" enemies

vs to them going "oh now shes on a platform i cant reach, oh well"

[radiant wraith]

that shield and sword beetle in Crossroads going back and forth on a slightly raised platform

[serene chasm]

would be interesting if they sent different enemies after hornet depending if she ran away

[burnt topaz]

honestly if an enemy starts climbing the walls id be pretty startled

[cerulean sable]

also if theyre gonna integrate 2 masks more often, they should slightly lower the 2 mask damage VFX

[serene chasm]

Like if she goes up the flying enemies fo after her

[silver oak]

well, the balance they have to keep is keeping enemies interesting and complex, without making them actually that much more difficult

[cerulean sable]

it made sense in HK as its rare and powerful but if its more common in HK, it can get annoying quickly

yeah the goal is to make a fun AI

you can make a smart one but often they nerf it because it wasnt fun to fight against

[silver oak]

there's still gotta be a big separation from a complex enemy and a boss

[silver oak]

there's like 2 of these in the entire game aren't there

[radiant wraith]

Yeah I didn't mean complex regular enemy fights

but more like, enemies doing actual things, even if they are simple

like, squits should be eating or wandering, not standing still

enemies could be working the forges or smt

[coarse leaf]

twiddling their thumbs, spitting on tha floor

[silver oak]

you catch some of the guards on break playing cards

[radiant wraith]

yeah

[silver oak]

you had this a little in HK

the miners in crystal peak, for example

[radiant wraith]

specially considering these are not as dumb as Hallownest infected enemies probably

[languid linden]

Myla

[cerulean sable]

ngl my dream cutscene is to unlock a bell beast station deep inside the citadel, then after the riding cutscene it just shows a couple of guards playing cards or wtv then the fucking wall breaks in and the get totalled by Hornet on the bell beast

[coarse leaf]

hell yas

[radiant wraith]

They die in extremely graphic detail

[cerulean sable]

in HK terms they just get gibbed

also one neat detail i like about the bell beast is that it dismounts you instead of just fading from black

[silver oak]

Hornet stands up and looks directly at the camera and says "Infiltration, successful"

[cerulean sable]

so the moment it lets you go you immediately have control and can dash away

[burnt topaz]

the elevator that falls down in the trailer falls down on a bunch of them playing cards

[coarse leaf]

bell beast & hornet pulvurise an unsuspecting guard minding their own business taking a whiz

[languid linden]

In perfect English

[silver oak]

why are they all playing cards

[coarse leaf]

yeah I appreciate that too

[languid linden]

And then goes back to speaking in bug

[burnt topaz]

its popular in pharloom

[silver oak]

bug ghent

[coarse leaf]

bell beast isn't a nice old man its like a semi-wild ass animal

[silver oak]

so cool

[burnt topaz]

yeah it looks so neat

very streamlined

[hollow terrace]

The first photo is so silly

[cerulean sable]

this is one of those "small things" that i love when TC does

[silver oak]

that could be an emote

beastcheer

[inland ravine]

this is so silly

[coarse leaf]

wait i forgor bell beast is female

[burnt topaz]

fish when i pull out the fish flakes

[inland ravine]

WAIT IT:S A GIRL?

[cerulean sable]

i can imagine hornet riding the bell beast then using its thrown momentum to fling her across a bridge

[coarse leaf]

yeah! william in edge magazine when referring to her was like "it- no wait, she"

[languid linden]

Huh, it’s like you…

[inland ravine]

😮

[coarse leaf]

bell beast is grill confirmed

[languid linden]

Coincidence? I think not

[inland ravine]

oh :0

[cerulean sable]

customizable bell beast DLC

[languid linden]

Gwnj is bell beast

[burnt topaz]

except it has a job

[silver oak]

this is something I feel like has seperated SS for me visually, the "small things" are everywhere

[inland ravine]

but i am human with no job

[languid linden]

Oh shit there goes my theory

Oh wait does Amina have a job

[coarse leaf]

I FUCKING LOVE THE SMALL LITTLE DETAILS IN HOLLOW KNIGHT!!!

[cerulean sable]

Leth did say that his favorite aspect of TC is they have EXTREMELY good attention to detail

[inland ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1076145807834742904/resize.gif

[burnt topaz]

not at the moment

[languid linden]

Okay then it’s not Amina either

[cerulean sable]

wouldnt be surprised if they ask themselves "why" or "why not" everytime they implement a feature

[silver oak]

when was this? in the interview he did last year?

[cerulean sable]

yeah

old interview

[silver oak]

was that last year

[cerulean sable]

not sure if it was last year

way older probs

[cerulean sable]

fr its one of the things that makes the game truely feel like a passion project

[coarse leaf]

they literally did not have to give ass jim visible ass cheeks in those like 2 frames of animation but they did

and I can imagine them giggling to themselves while they did

that is true passion

[silver oak]

I don't even know if that's supposed to be an ass

[burnt topaz]

i dont see why it wouldnt be

[cerulean sable]

the other game i can think of is probably RDR2 tho thats AAA

theres a point you steal a horse temporarily and your character says "ill bring it back to you"

naturally ofc this being one of those games you can fuck off, but i said why not bring it back

lo and behold the owner was waiting and said "oh wow you actually came back", got some good reputation and my character said "thanks partner"

[burnt topaz]

it is very much like 3

[silver oak]

it seems like it but that feels a little too far even with some of the dumb jokes TC has put in

[cerulean sable]

TC doesnt feel like the type of guys that makes fart jokes 🥴

[languid linden]

Yeah they’re adults

They make butt jokes instead

[cerulean sable]

maybe "haha this insect is actually cannibalizing someone" is their preferred joke 🥴

[coarse leaf]

honestly if it wasn't even meant to be buttcheeks I think that would make it funnier to me

[silver oak]

Team Cherry has never made a shit themed boss

[cerulean sable]

that counts in character

[languid linden]

True

[burnt topaz]

im looking at this frame rn oh my god it is very much a butt

[languid linden]

Or two

[silver oak]

two butts????

[languid linden]

Two shit themed bosses

[burnt topaz]

real sad thing is hes cooking the poor birds

[languid linden]

So two butts too

[hollow terrace]

I LOVE CANNIBALISM

[hasty oar]

There’s a figurative one and a literal one

[coarse leaf]

they don't appear to be the same species so it technically wouldn't be cannibalism right??

[silver oak]

ok it's an ass

[hasty oar]

Simo lurkin’

[languid linden]

This is incredible

[hasty oar]

Since when was sock the cannibalism guy

[languid linden]

Guys I’m on mobile can someone check who the first person call that guy Ass Jim was

[hollow terrace]

Simo

[burnt topaz]

also the maggots? 🤢

[silver oak]

since he started eating people

[uncut citrus]

they used to be a regular for like a month after the Xbox trailer but now i havent seen em in so long

[coarse leaf]

imagine if they were asked about it and they said "oh yeah that's actually a second hidden back appendage" or something lol

[kindred pewter]

Silksong will have rougelike aspects and a new item called the spider ball, turning any enemy into a spider that is an ally with hornet

[silver oak]

average cringer is still around

[burnt topaz]

thing about the maggot particles is theres more on the opposite side of the arena too so he probably throws stuff

[silver oak]

they have the vagabond from root pfp

[uncut citrus]

but no it was not simo

[languid linden]

Ah yes the magnificent work of Rice Cake

[burnt topaz]

why isnt that here

i was gonna ask why do you think greymoor is raining in that one scene but i got thrown off by that

[hasty oar]

Who actually eats rice cakes

[languid linden]

That’s not the first mention of Ass Jim though cause there are more just before that

[uncut citrus]

wait nvm it was Average Cringer?

[silver oak]

I said that

[uncut citrus]

i fell like it was someone who i havent seen for a while but i guess i confused em with someone else

[languid linden]

They’re so based for that

Okay 1% bye good night

[silver oak]

slaz in this image lmao

[uncut citrus]

yeah but i was busy being over 1y back in chat

[kindred pewter]

bro I remember when the chat was a speed of a bullet like my god

[smoky nebula]

The maggots are food iirc

[kindred pewter]

man I wish I could turn back time and experience that again

[uncut citrus]

i thought what if someone actually say it before i did but then i was just too lazy to leave where i was to check chat and go back 1y in chat so i just hoped it woudnt happen

[burnt topaz]

pharloom cuisine 🪱

[uncut citrus]

see this is why i call you Becro

[kindred pewter]

honestly would eat

[burnt topaz]

would you still love me if i was pharloom cuisine

[uncut citrus]

you already are

[kindred pewter]

mm tasty

[uncut citrus]