randomizer

[sacred delta]

I'll probably download the map mod to see which checks I'm missing

I kinda want to complete it

[lethal musk]

Just had cloak spawn at the top of white palace

I have a screenshot but no image perms

[grim elbow]

Quick question should i do a room rnado or not?

Question answred itself my pc dont handle room randos

[calm mason]

I recommend trying item rando first, room rando adds significant complexity

[worthy elbow]

Does anyone know of an enemy/item rando for silksong that actually works?

[slim narwhal]

simple enemy rando

[cerulean shuttle]

how do i download the randomizer?

[frail nymph]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[gray haven]

🤔

[sullen silo]

yes

[normal totem]

i really appreciate how easy it is to download mods with lumafly

easier than modding a 3ds

[steel hedge]

XD

[normal totem]

which mods should i have for the rando (apart from rando4, map mod, recentitemsdisplay and debug mod (+dependencies))

[calm mason]

Tbf, sounds like you're good to go

You may want to have RandoStats to see your skill timelines after the rando but that's about it

[calm mason]

And I guess connections are something you can have if you enjoy this kind of content

[thorny panther]

Sure

[hollow vector]

modding doesnt work in latest version so u gotta downpatch or if u bought it on xbox and play on pc u gotta wait for luma to adapt

[unique jetty]

That what annoyed me when I wanted to do a rando.

[small comet]

modders are actively working on making all the mods work for latest patch, but Team Cherry has kindly given us the possibility to downpatch easily through beta branches (at least on steam)

[normal totem]

i might be on my best pace ever

im at 2h43m and im missing void heart and a dreamer

btw grubfather had claw at 1

wait no

it was qslash 1 notch

[normal totem]

fastest time yet

[prisma turtle]

Sweet gg's

[sick carbon]

a

[gray haven]

you guys seem to get along pretty well

[fluid zinc]

Does silksong have randomizer yet

[wooden sun]

what mod you use 🥹

[wooden sun]

i think so

[fluid zinc]

Oh nice

[supple quail]

It does not have a real randomizer

There are randomizers without logic which will replace locations with just completely random stuff

But if you want the same "the whole map is rearranged and you need to find your way through to pick everything up" experience that the hollow knight randomizer has, to my knowledge there does not exist a silksong randomizer (though the same devs as the hk randomizer are working hard on one)

[normal totem]

rando4, recentitemsdisplay, debugmod(not used in this run), randomapmod(also not used in this run)

[wooden sun]

OKOK THANKSSS :D

[tepid skiff]

[normal totem]

it’s fair game to uninfect your crossroads if you didn’t get to pull the lever in ancestral mound room right

[swift island]

triggering infected crossroads automatically unlocks the shortcut

even in vanilla

[normal totem]

ohhhh

didn’t know that but it makes sense

thx

[frigid junco]

does anyone know if theres a mod or some way to do randomizer with a friend, where you both spawn in different rooms? This would be for hk

[brazen trail]

Scatternest

Is a mod that does exactly that (and integrates it into logic)

[frigid junco]

okay thank you, exactly what I need

wait does this work with hkmp or function the same way?

[sick pawn]

hkmp does not change anything about rando, but they can be used at the same time without significant issue

[normal totem]

WHAT

[dense monolith]

At least claw isn't there

[normal totem]

alr have it + cloak

[dense monolith]

So this run has potential to beat this?

[normal totem]

i have 1 dreamer and 1 fragment so tbh it might

[dense monolith]

gl

[normal totem]

i need to lock in hard for this run im done with crossroads and greenpath so far

do i go fungal or peak first

i have lantern

[dense monolith]

I would do fungal

[balmy pilot]

Someone needs to tell him not to hoard all the major items

[dapper musk]

I'm doing my first rando tmrw

[dense monolith]

gl!

[dapper musk]

I'm gonna do items with logic and shop

[normal totem]

i gave up i had 2 dreamers and void heart

checked map mod and somehow both dreamers were in lvl 3 grimmkin flames

and grimmchild itself was at flukenest

gonna try grass rando this should be hilarious

[void sierra]

Is there a channel for silksong rando?

Well i checked, and i guess not

BRO PLEASE I JUST WANT WANDERER CREST

[frigid junco]

does item sync still work if you leave the world and rejoint he next day? It hasn't given any option to reconnect to a room or anything

for regulkar hk

[calm mason]

Yes, as long as the save is the same and the ItemSync server doesn't go down

[brazen trail]

Generally it is recommended to not try to do longer itemsync games if you can avoid it, two sessions over a weekend is alright, but don’t assume a month long session will ever end

[covert remnant]

does alphabet rando work with any other languages

[sick pawn]

In theory it has support for custom characters if you supply the list yourself, but I haven't actually tested that beyond punctuation

[covert remnant]

should it work with languages that use the roman alphabet as far as there aren’t unique letters?

[sick pawn]

As long as they can be put into a txt file probably

[covert remnant]

ok but the default mod is designed for english?

[sick pawn]

It is designed for English and will not use duplicates so if you want like Spanish to use the letter A then you'll need to enable vowels

[covert remnant]

gotcha, very cool thanks

[normal totem]

grass rando is crazy

btw i spent like 1 hour looking for void heart when i had 3 dreamers and kingsoul

i also spent like 15 mins on radiance cuz skill issue (also no shaman or shriek, only wraiths)

[stone bone]

They randomized the geo

omfg xD

[zealous gorge]

Grub father had shade soul, wow

[unkempt bane]

my father has the power to control void

[normal totem]

grubfather has the craziest shit sometimes

i once saw qslash [1] at 1 single grub

[silk lodge]

idk if this is a stupid question to ask, but is monarch wings check obtainable without VS, dash and crystal heart?

[supple quail]

The logical items are (WINGS | LEFTSUPERDASH | $SLOPEBALL[before:AREASOUL,after:AREASOUL] + LEFTDASH + LEFTCLAW)

[sick kiln]

is it a good idea to do a rando with every add on that adds checks like geo rando, grass rando and others

[lapis haven]

I'm playing a local Archipelago multiworld. Is there a way to prevent Hollow Knight from accepting inputs while I'm playing a different game?

[normal totem]

if you and your pc can handle it, sure

i’ve noticed that the more checks you have, the laggier it gets

[slow zephyr]

Based on what i saw from Skurry's stream
If you randomize every single geo, then some might fall in the acid and you might have to do the same room multiple times

But upto you

[normal totem]

specifically when you’re at a save point it lags pretty badly

[sick kiln]

Ive seen that too

huh its been randomizing for 20 mins i think it wasnt the best idea

[supple quail]

yeah that's a consequence of adding more stuff

[calm mason]

Expect it to take over an hour including everything

Geo rando and grass rando add an absurd number of checks

[sick kiln]

39 mins 4 attempts i may be cooked

[calm mason]

Feel free to share your modlog to see if there's a common pattern on the failed attempts

[sick kiln]

its been 40 min of dying in greenpath trying to cut as much grass as possible

and i still have nothing

not a bench not a spell not a directional attack

ill continue tmrw but i need to sleep

[slim narwhal]

it seems like there was an update related to bwr and helper platforms

[normal totem]

not exactly what i wanted to do but ok

nail 1, vs and ddive btw

and no shade cloak

also no wall jump

thk legit took me 30 mins cuz i was trying with nail 0 + strength

[calm mason]

Wait wha

[slim narwhal]

this room no longer has helper platforms
and these spots are mostly related to bwr(and there was discussion about fixing platform logic stuff)

altho i did check and not see any commits in bwr about that

this stag exists now
i guess thats the reason,but idk whether intentional

(and yes i do have helper platfroms on)

[rich grotto]

about to start my literally everything randomizer, 21 minutes to randomize lol

[normal totem]

what the hell you can get to sheo without cdash

[calm mason]

Oh yeah, that's a MoreStags fix, BWR had nothing to do with it, but I did ask for it since otherwise it grants free basin access with just the Stag and that's a lame sequence break

[normal totem]

what do sequence breaks mean/do

[calm mason]

That's reasonably normal. The crazy thing is without claw

[calm mason]

It means you break logic by getting into places you're not supposed to get with your current gear

In some cases having them happen due to skips is fun but platforms are not as fun for it

[normal totem]

i once had on mapmod a red symbol that said the check is unreachable without a sequence break (shade soul, i had elegant key)

[supple quail]

you sequence broke to obtain elegant key

[normal totem]

holy shit fountain did something finally

[slow zephyr]

Sharing two skips i did yesterday

Only to run into this lol

[lyric ivy]

Les gars desolé si vous voyé que j’envoie une invite sur un serv discord c parcr qur mon compte a été piraté

[wanton talon]

?

[lyric ivy]

G été piraté depuis 3h du mat mon compte envoie une inite pour un discord pas très catholique

[wanton talon]

Please speak in English

[lyric ivy]

Sorry

My account discord is haccked

[covert remnant]

you haven’t sent any invite links here yet, but if your account does it will probably get banned automatically

or at least the message will be deleted 🤷‍♂️

[raw vault]

Why don't you do a geo skip twn

[feral otter]

i HATE hollow knight rando

[slow zephyr]

What if dash was at cornifer's
He'll kick me out cuz I'm dirt poor and I'll never finish the rando lol

[raw vault]

😭

[cerulean shuttle]

how do i download the randomizer? i will be very glad if someone helped

[covert remnant]

?tag lumafly

[frail nymph]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[covert remnant]

the mod is called Randomizer 4

[cerulean shuttle]

tysm man

[covert remnant]

you will have to be on patch 1578

[cerulean shuttle]

already on it

its on scarab too?

[covert remnant]

yes

[cerulean shuttle]

aight ty

[summer iris]

I got to green path after 1 month of straight grinding I think this game is probably gonna become popular soon with top speedrunners such as myself your welcome 😃

[dim cypress]

Stop spamming dude. This wouldn't have been funny even if you only posted it once

[austere urchin]

I have a question, if you get a fragile charm for one notch, does it stay that way when you make it unbreakable?

[forest bramble]

should

[austere urchin]

Thank you

[forest bramble]

i am basing this off a vid i seen, i havent played randomizer

[cedar bobcat]

Yes it will

[austere urchin]

Thanks

[normal totem]

it retains it’s notch cost, but if it breaks the fix is still at leg eater

[slim narwhal]

"bench leg eater dream" does still have it's dreamnaileble hitbox i think,but bench rando stole the bench

stag "mawlurks" also apparently doesnt override the mawlurk (and infected bloon) notes
i guess i should also mention it may not override the transition right above it(you need some skips to get up above so maybe the problem is in those. i deffinetelly remember there being false negatives with that before)

[normal totem]

LMAO??????????????

seer hoarding the dreamers fr

sly has herrah btw

[woeful prairie]

What’s that map mod?

[dense monolith]

RandoMapMod

[calm mason]

Makes sense actually, will look into it

Now that we got a Skurry VOD with MoreStags, I expect logic reports for them to blow up lmao

[slim narwhal]

Oh lol
I have not gotten there yet

[slim narwhal]

I dont think it makes sense tho😭

[calm mason]

I mean, if the transition is considered unreachable and the mawlurks aren't overriden, they'll be a false neg unless that particular check also allows for the Stag

[slim narwhal]

The key is reacheble

I guess it could be that it overrides the right transition instead of the left,just a typo

Actually no mawlurks then would be in logic
Can just be the transition then

[rich grotto]

log folder is saying the room Crossroads-Mawlek_Middle has grass that's in logic but both the breakable floor and exit breakable wall are not open, anyone know why it's in logic?

[dim cypress]

Doing both walls & grass at the same time, it's pretty common for there to be some logic errors. With mapmod you can see exactly which blade of grass it's referring to, but it could very well be a false positve - in which case you can use debug to noclip to the check if you want to pick it up (and you may need to).

[rich grotto]

I can't even read it LMAO I dont have enough letters

[calm mason]

Yeah I have that one covered on my GrassRando fork

I should get done with the rest of it tbf

[past kiln]

Oof, monomon literal first check.

[atomic brook]

Enjoy infected crossroads with no equipment

Anyone have a ballpark guess for the hk ss randomizer

I appreciate it's a lot of work I'm grateful someone other than me is doing it

But also I really wanna try it

[small comet]

modders are hard at work on Silksong rando, all we can do is just be patient, its a big project as i think they want to have it up to par with HK's Randomizer

[copper parrot]

There is a hk ss randomizer, but with a lot of issues. It is basically No Logic Randomizer, and sometimes item checks just disappear. But it has a button to give a random item, so it works for me

[gray haven]

infected crossroads is alright but im the kind of person who would take easier salubra shade skip vs harder everything else

also can you blow up the gp baldur with the infected fly?

[calm mason]

I think not

Biggest pro of infection is instant GP/Fog Canyon/Wastes access via goop skip

[covert remnant]

goop skip rahhh 🗣️

[gray haven]

oh yeah wastes goop skip!

[arctic dust]

• skip to blue lake with the infected vengefly

• you don't have swim

• you don't have swim

[pulsar oasis]

Does anyone know if the jump right after hornet 1 is possible without dash? Hornet gave me 30 essence

[dim cypress]

pretty sure it's possible but needs something for an airstall.

[calm mason]

You're expected to Benchwarp if softlocked there

[calm mason]

Yeah, on this, it's not editing transitions.

Which is why everything is a false neg

Will work on it tomorrow

Since I gtg in like 3 minutes and won't fix on time yippee

[pulsar oasis]

I know, I just want to get through the loading zone by lake of unn

[calm mason]

Oh in that case yeah, you need either movement or airstalls

[stone bone]

Something funny. I had a Randomizer file all good. i deleted it while playing unmodded and started a normal file on it. now that thats completed i play modded again and it thinks the file is still a randomizer . still works fine tho

[mortal zenith]

Yeah, that's because if you delete a randomizer file without randomizer installed still, it doesn't know to remove the Modded Save Data file.

[elder willow]

had a very interesting thing happen to me in rando yesterday
context: i had shade gates rando'd, and hunter's journal rando's
right mothwing cloak was at white lady's white fragment, but traitor lord shade gate was hunter's notes for killing traitor lord, so i had to get to HoG before i could get right dash xdd

[uncut cape]

Me when my randomizer makes me only slash downward

[calm mason]

That's exactly the kind of silliness I envisioned with GodhomeRando + AccessRando

[sick pawn]

I know that when shade gates were first added, traitor lord journal was overlooked. Has that been patched?

[calm mason]

I believe I have

No harm in double checking

[elder willow]

yeah, that was definitely a highlight of that run, which was pretty neat overall tbh

[calm mason]

I had not patched it

Ah well, will push it with the new key I worked on the last month and I forgot to release

[slim narwhal]

@sick pawn i guess you did not see this
I dont think you expect people to dreamnail air

[sick pawn]

I mean, the dialogue still exists even if the sprite doesn't, so it still works.
-# also it's sounds like effort to detect which benches are active mid- generation setup

[calm mason]

One cool thing for those cases is also what LoreRando does of placing dream particles for unobtained objects

That way even if it's "invisible" players still notice they have to use DNail

Would be good for the Nosk corpsefest too

||and for the missable Hunter dream dialogue after Hunter's Mark||

[haughty scaffold]

i dont think i realized how bad down slash only early game would be until im being forced to do brooding mawlek

get me outta heeeeere

[mortal zenith]

I mean, by the time Mawlek is in logic, it's fine

Hornet 1 is in logic with only downslash and only 1 mask, and that's terrible

[haughty scaffold]

idk how logic actually works so im just doing whatever i think is available

funny part about this run is i got right claw as like my 2nd check but i genuinely have zero idea what to do with it

[mortal zenith]

You can see what's in logic using either RandoMapMod or the HelperLog

[haughty scaffold]

because i dont have vs or weaversong or dreamshield or whatever, so i cant get into greenpath

im p sure the fungal entrance from crossroads needs either infection or dash or left claw i think

blue lake shade skip doesnt work because i cant swim

and no dive for peaks

[mortal zenith]

You can get into Greenpath from Kings Pass with right claw

[haughty scaffold]

wait i can get to cliffs?

ig ill go do that then

[warped bone]

i dont think this is helpful for you but you could do crystal if you got desolate dive

[dense monolith]

^

[warped bone]

oh im blind

[haughty scaffold]

THANK YOU I GOT UPSLASH

[small comet]

https://www.smallhomothetyorganization.org/rando/gettingstarted

[arctic dust]

I just checked what new mods got added to lumafly in the past week. Load rando.

I shouldn't even be surprised at this point

[covert remnant]

it turned an easily sub 50 bingy into like a 58 minute time :D

seems like a terrible experience and i would absolutely wish it on my worst enemy, 10/10

[slender quarry]

can someone help me, my item history wont show up for some reason?

[dim cypress]

Do you have Recent Items Display installed? If not, you need it. If so, probably make a #1057825333841240104 post to troubleshoot

[slender quarry]

lemme check

i cant find it

[dim cypress]

Can't find it installed, or can't find it on lumafly?

[slender quarry]

cant find it in settings

[dim cypress]

You can also just look at your installed mods on the mod list top left. But if you dont have it, then close the game & install it

[slender quarry]

ty i found it

[errant ember]

The acid after hornet in greenpath - is it jumpable without dash? I'm currently stuck here and wanna go check lake of unn.

[mortal zenith]

You need something

I think claw alone does it

And VS does, although iirc other stalls aren't enough alone?

[errant ember]

Probably

Sadly got nothing right now

[normal totem]

ALWAYS CHECK FLUKEMARM

new pb im pretty sure

i decided to turn on enemy bounces and bg bounces

i looked at the spoiler locations and this shit is ridiculous

nmg was shopkeeper key, which leads to claw

my claw dupe was at pale lurker soul totem, which is unreachable without claw or a shrogo

[mortal zenith]

my claw dupe was at pale lurker soul totem, which is unreachable without claw
This is intentional most likely, as one of the setting that is enabled by Default is the Duplicate Item Penalty, which generally makes Dupes placed after all of the logical progression placements are done, meaning that they are normally "locked" behind the original

[normal totem]

LMAO?????

[errant ember]

Does getting infected crossroads get any checks? I have elevator pass, fireball, and dash

[sick pawn]

infection will open the lever to the left side of Mound, it enables an itemless skip to Fungal, and there's a really free enemy pogo to Blue Lake

[errant ember]

Thanks!

[covert remnant]

also the infected vengefly pogo up to the well hallownest seal is a lot easier than the shade skip

[valid ginkgo]

Where did you get a 1221 rando

[small comet]

they didnt

its a debug mod easter egg

[normal totem]

🤫

[normal totem]

what are the odds on it happening btw

[small comet]

no clue

[calm mason]

0.1%

[halcyon linden]

Hi

[errant ember]

Is DDark possible with only dash and fireball? It's a pretty daunting looking jump, but there are 2 checks locked behind it...

[arctic dust]

yooo i got the city gate stallball (at the fountain), this is so cool

btw, does anyone know if stallball is allowed in bingy ruleset, and, if so, if the topology rule applies, that would make the skip wcsable, which is way easier and would be a cool routing option after getting dive

[sick pawn]

the official hk bingy server does not allow stallball, but if you're running your own solo/private game then it's up to you and no one can stop you. They also tend to disallow wcs of any kind

[arctic dust]

thank you !

[covert remnant]

me when saku makes a random poll

[brazen trail]

Me when saku is right because stallball should (and now is, trust) legal

Quato says yes and Quato is Quato thus the vote has ended

[slim narwhal]

that's crazy because you literally know the at least one place where it has to be implemented😭

[covert remnant]

what’s crazy is some people actually think this

someone started compiling stallball example videos and was like “since stallball will be legal after t4 ends…”

[slim narwhal]

ragebait

[covert remnant]

for me it’s mostly the fact that wings would be made redundant

[arctic dust]

good point

[calm mason]

New stags? Isn't 11||5|| of them enough?

[covert remnant]

everyone i normally play bingy with has already learned wingless stag frag, acn, they know all the background pogos to get into wings only areas
aside from the goal “Monarch Wings” and probably “Fungal Core Mask Shard” bc who is realistically killing ML for that goal, stallball just kinda phases it out

some people say that crossroads fungal stallball would make early game weird but i can’t really think of a situation where it benefits you to do that skip in a 40+ minute bingy

[slim narwhal]

"Broken vessel","lost kin",cdashless routes
But i didnt come here to argue about stallball

[slim narwhal]

When theres a "rule discussion" in "hk rules discussion" channel with a "rules/modding votes" ping,where allowing stallball is winning after a lot of time to let people voice their opinions

Saying its just not gonna be allowed is ragebait

[covert remnant]

guess you got ragebaited then idk

[calm mason]

That's why you should play rando instead, where you're often never concerned on Stallball since you never get VS

[covert remnant]

the discussion will probably be revisited after the tournament bc afaik the main problem the mods had with the conversation was that it was happening right before the tournament

it’s not like the death of free opinion it’s just multiple people were crashing out bc someone started doing stallballs in lockout without it being discussed and they won, and ilyssa didn’t want that happening in a livestreamed tournament

which is like completely reasonable imo

[covert remnant]

took me forever to understand this comment
i didn’t say i can’t understand how stallball benefits you in general, i said that about crossroads fungal stallball

like you’re always getting dash

the only categories that don’t are either forced not to or are like nosk% hiveblood%

[slim narwhal]

Where did i say it has to be allowed now or immidiatly after the tournamemt 🧐
The only thing i said is,saying its not gonna be allowed after the tournament is nonsensical. There at least will be a big discussion about it

[covert remnant]

yeah ofc

im confused were you not JUST saying that i was ragebaiting for thinking stallball wouldn’t necessarily be allowed after t4

[slim narwhal]

Kind of
Interpreting your message as it necesserilly won't be allowed after t4,yes

I think "yes" number bigger = yes
but i know its not gonna be that simple for whatever reason,but thats a different topic

[covert remnant]

true

idk what the actual reasoning behind that is, but i definitely don’t mind a revote since 1/6th of the people who voted like don’t play bingy

you’ve got the crypto scam account who reacted to the most recent message in every channel on his join date, you’ve got the guy we banned for regularly cheating in lockout,

either way that specific vote is far from unanimous and wasn’t coordinated by a bingy moderator so idk i’m not planning on taking it seriously

[slim narwhal]

Idk what you mean by "coordinated",but mods deffinetelly participated in the discussion
But yeah a revote is deffinetelly reasonable

[halcyon linden]

Hi

Is the randomizer hard

[calm mason]

As a rule of thumb, it's generally a bit harder than the base game, but the proper answer is:

How hard it is greatly depends on the settings you select

[halcyon linden]

Ok

[tame veldt]

Gleep gleep zeep zorp

I ended up soft locking myself 4 times in my last randomizer

I couldn't get ANY mobility item
I ended up getting one after killing HK and cheating my way to a part of city of tears, under stag station

I got wings and then softlocked myself again after murdering dung defender

Then I used noclip again to cheat myself to flukemarm, that gave me an ability to swim

Then, I couldn't do anything

I gave up cheating, since it became unfun and quit

[calm mason]

You probably are trying stuff you shouldn't while ignoring items you are meant to pick

[dense monolith]

Well you kinda did that to yourself.

[tame veldt]

No no
I used interactive map to find every single item

[dense monolith]

Rando 4 never forces you to cheat

[tame veldt]

I marked them all, and I was 100% sure rest is locked

[mortal zenith]

You need to use benchwarp to prevent soft locking, if you weren't already

[tame veldt]

I used duped items+no swim

[calm mason]

Maybe something at shops

Or previewed

Sometimes progression is not too obvious

[tame veldt]

I mean, I had bench wrapping, but I still couldn't do anything to progress

[calm mason]

But it's never impossible

[tame veldt]

I made sure to get every shop

Even the uhh

[calm mason]

Otherwise the seed would literally fail to generate

[dense monolith]

Well if they nocliped around then they definetly sequence broke stuff, and hence why they got stuck

[swift island]

You literally can't get into a situation where you don't have logical progression available

[tame veldt]

Grimm troupe

[tame veldt]

I'M NOT JOKING

Idk how did that happened

[calm mason]

Check your HelperLog

[swift island]

I'm not saying you're joking, but that you probably overlooked something

[calm mason]

And it'll show what's obtainable

[tame veldt]

Ouh

Should've done it sooner
I deleted my slot already

[calm mason]

It could be some dumb obscure check

[tame veldt]

I just disabled "duped items" and "obtainable swim" and managed to beat radiance in 6 hours

[calm mason]

Welp, the mystery shall remain unsolved (although technically the HelperLog still exists until you create a new file)

[tame veldt]

Also, I had every skip disabled, but was forced to do a blob skip into mushroom wastes
Is this a bug or I misread something?

[calm mason]

If you had skips off then you weren't forced into that

[swift island]

The thing is, even if logic is wrong, which it realistically won't be with simple settings, it never lets you in a situation where it thinks you can't progress, so you always have checks available

[calm mason]

Maybe you had a Baldur killer you didn't know about?

[tame veldt]

Strange
I picked up every possible item, but I still was forced into doing a skip after obtaining monomon

[calm mason]

Glowing Womb or Elegy are pretty forgettable

[tame veldt]

Nah, I killed all three baldurs early
I got ddive and stag nest early

Wait

Og

Nvm

[calm mason]

Well if you had claw or dash it'd expect you to go to Fungal via Greenpath with your Stag Nest Stag even without a killer

CDash works too but you said you didn't have

[tame veldt]

I got claw in mushroom wastes, after doing a skip
I got dash after getting all 3 dreamers

I didn't got the rest

[calm mason]

Dash at Black Egg? Damn that's quite the seed

[tame veldt]

Yeah
Also, for some reason traitor lord didn't spawn and I managed to talk to white lady easily
Any idea why?

[calm mason]

Traitor Lord only spawns if you have Shade Cloak

[tame veldt]

Entrance was open tho

[calm mason]

So if you no clipped the gate or whatever it doesn't spawn

[dense monolith]

I think you just might not have a great understanding of how the randomizer works. You said you were forced to do skips and cheat, but that's impossible, it never forces you to do that. And if you did cheat, that explains the softlocks.

[calm mason]

Also defeating Traitor Lord in Godhome first works

But that won't happen unless you use GodhomeRando in addition to Rando 4

[tame veldt]

No, I cheated only after being 100% sure I collected everything

[tame veldt]

Strange

[dense monolith]

Well you must have missed something 🤷‍♂️

[tame veldt]

Maybe
Too late to change anything anyways

Also, I got cdash, but it was kinda useless since you need claw for it to actually be useful

Wait

I just realised something

I summoned Grimm troupe only after second time being softlocked and cheating
I got cdash from there

Using cdash, I could acces city of tears in the segment where you need to use claw and I had gate opener

Nvm

All I could unlock was bench and that's it

To get wings I would've needed claw

Which I never got

[dense monolith]

Well if you try again, don't cheat if you're stuck, that only makes things worse. Think though it carefully, and if you are absolutely stuck, you can always ask here for help. RandoMapMod helps a ton too.

[tame veldt]

I already beat randomizer twice
Won't try again
It's not a fun experience

First time it was a pain and a huge headache
Second and third time it was just not as fun

[calm mason]

It is more fun if you assume the game makes sure you can complete it

Which is how it's designed

[tame veldt]

Yeah, can't do so after my first run, which I somehow failed

Even with the help of google

[calm mason]

But I can see the frustration if feeling stuck

The biggest helpers will be RandoMapMod, Helper Log and this channel if you have something considered reachable but you don't know how

Also if using Geo Rocks, the odds of missing one random rock somewhere over the rainbow which has Claw drastically increases

[tame veldt]

Nah, I only used junk randomizer and duped items are 1 geo

[high juniper]

What does the completion setting for pantheons do in godhome rando? I tried reading the readme, but I don't fully understand what it does

[dense monolith]

Let me rewrite that: you can enable/disable checks for completing a pantheon:
*Normally
Shell binding
Charm binding
Nail binding
Mask binding
All bindings
Hitless
*If you turn off pantheon completion, there won't be any checks for just completing a pantheon normally.

That's what I think it means at least.

[high juniper]

That's what I thought, but grubfather is selling Pantheon of Hallownest Completion for 19 grubs

[dense monolith]

Maybe that unlocks absrad in hog?

I would think since you get something else for completing a pantheon, you could pickup the actual completion somewhere? Like to unlock p4, you might have to find the pickups for p1-3?

[dense monolith]

He is the creator of the mod, but I don't know if he's ok with being pinged.

[slim narwhal]

He kinda is,that sounds weird
If you have pantheon completion turned off the completion items should be at their vanilla places(pantheon completions)

[slim narwhal]

That is completion randomization yes
Altho if you have some other connection (i think extra rando) which randomizes "pantheon access" the behaviour changes

[calm mason]

Yeah I'm fine with pings

[calm mason]

It grants the completed state of a Pantheon, and placed a check for beating them. Getting that item will make the game believe you cleared P5, which doesn't do much. P4 completion item however is required to open P5

[high juniper]

Alright, that makes more sense now. Thank you!

[slim narwhal]

Are nerthul mods(development) on pause?
This is not to be mean,i'm in a basically sort of force pause myself💀
Just curiousity

And so many plans

[calm mason]

Not officially, but I haven't done much work lately so one could say so

I should release a new connection before I'm forgotten entirely

[sick pawn]

-# You should release a new connection before I once again monopolize your todo list

[normal totem]

rando challenge: every time you say to yourself: “i could have got that so much earlier”, take a shot

[slim narwhal]

remind me how do i need to write logic for optional connections
like is "(Ruins1_18[left1]| Ruins1_18[right1]+ Lever-City_Bridge_Above_Fountain?TRUE)" correct

[calm mason]

It is

Assuming you want that to consider the lever as opened if the connection is disabled

So yeah, that one condiders the lever as opened if coming from the right

But it doesn't consider it if coming from the left

So a left access + obtained lever item wouldn't grant right access on its own

But as long as the location is left of the lever that works perfectly

[high juniper]

Somehow this happened... This is the first time I am entering godhome on this rando 😭

[calm mason]

Yeah if you have the Godhome shop enabled you will access that each time.

[young dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/falll-out-going-desert-bye-gif-13984330

[compact wren]

bobhone

[high juniper]

That's where the shop is??? I was so confused as the map said it was in the Hall of gods

[normal totem]

lmfao

[brave cliff]

1 charm notch is wild

[hazy gale]

man

[blazing tide]

where did u get the mod on the right where it shows the items

[glossy girder]

can someone drop a mod installer in for mac

[calm mason]

RecentItemsDisplay

[glad vector]

Ayy I also play Mac and cant figure it out

Lol

[swift island]

?tag i

[frail nymph]

Mod Installers

Check pins for up-to-date information!

Hollow Knight

If you are new to modding, please follow along with this video to learn how to do it

• Lumafly (Win/Mac/Linux) recommended installer
• Scarab (Win/Mac/Linux) original installer

Silksong

Silksong modding uses Thunderstore.

• Cogfly (Win/Mac/Linux) Dedicated Silksong installer that integrates with Thunderstore modding profiles.
  It is also possible to use well-known Thunderstore installers:
• Gale (Win/Linux)
• r2modman (Win/Linux)

[swift island]

Also, check the pins because they're all in the pinned messages

[abstract tapir]

gng what's the name of the randomizer mod

[dim cypress]

Randomizer 4

[abstract tapir]

thx

[woeful wave]

spaghetti

[abstract tapir]

sonion

my crossroads are infected and i don't even have dash yet

[thorny panther]

spaghetti

[tender crystal]

wow

[shrewd sun]

Hello everyone, I tried to download the randomizer, but mods arent working. I tried on Scarab and on Lumafly. I download all required mods

[frail nymph]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• Hollow Knight recently updated. Until the modding tools are also updated, you need to make sure you're on the previous version (1.5.78.11833), available as a beta in Steam, with an installer such as Lumafly or Scarab.
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[shrewd sun]

Already done

[dim cypress]

Then make a #1057825333841240104 post with the required info requested in the pinned post

[shrewd sun]

Ok, thank you

[slim narwhal]

but if the location is on the right side it would just be "(Ruins1_18[right1]| Ruins1_18[left1]+ Lever-City_Bridge_Above_Fountain)"

[west pulsar]

i think my randomizer is broken

i've gotten 8 silver bells and four hermit souls as my only pickups

[supple quail]

There is not a properly developed silksong randomizer (one that actually rearranges the entire world, like the hollow knight randomizer)

As such, we can't really help you

[dim cypress]

The ones I've seen literally say "beta, expect bugs & softlocks" in the description

[west pulsar]

alright, i guess i'll just try resetting my seed

[dim cypress]

And the logic is weak or nonexistent

[opal solstice]

Can i install mods if i pirated silksong ( i bought it on ps5 dw)

[dim cypress]

?tag pirate

[frail nymph]

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[calm mason]

That would fail to gen if levers are off. Assuming right side it would be Lever?FALSE

[slim narwhal]

ohhh

thanks

[calm mason]

What comes after the question mark is "how should this term look like assuming the definition doesn't exist"

[normal totem]

grass rando went fucking nuts

the gear i had for this was longnail, twister, shaman's and shade soul

nail 0, no dash, no walljump and no wings btw

[normal totem]

"rando but everything is in greenpath"

[calm mason]

Greenpath is wild on GrassRando

[thorn obsidian]

Anyone know a good hk randomizer that randomizer practically every item in the game?

[supple quail]

The answer is to keep adding connections to rando 4

[slow zephyr]

Wow

[calm mason]

The more the merrier. Start with Randomizer 4 and check this site for a full connection list with all the wacky stuff each of the add-on connections do

?tag sho

[frail nymph]

Small Homothety Organization

-# A place for all the info you could need for Rando and Glitches

Home page: https://www.smallhomothetyorganization.org/
╚ Rando
╚ Glitches
╚ Events
╚ Grubby

[slim narwhal]

Oh sho also lists all the connections?

I would say randomizer 4 by itself randomizes every "item" already
Most other connections i wouldn't consider "items",maybe only geo rando
But yeah when nerthul rewrites godhome rando soon there will be basically nothing left to randomize,with connections

[calm mason]

Tbf the Godhome rewrite would just relocate a few existing checks but not likely to add new content

I do want to add arena rando sometime soon tho

As for Sho it has updated the connection list somewhat recently

So it's pretty exhaustive, although some more obscure ones might be missing

[slim narwhal]

It would add more content with more mods
You're just making excuses for it to never happen💔

[pale dagger]

I have a question about the Map Mod in Randomizer 4, if anyone can assist

Why are there icons above my head (question marks, money signs) and how do I turn it off?

[mortal zenith]

If you mean floating around the character while you are playing normally, that's the Item Compass feature that points to locations in the room that have logically collectable checks

Open the full map to see the toggle shortcuts for different settings

[pale dagger]

I can't find the compass toggle for that, only the Compass Always On

[mortal zenith]

Did you open the full map?

[mortal zenith]

_ _

[pale dagger]

okay, think I found it, thank you!

[pulsar fern]

Anyone know here if i can get to nosk with just claw? Can i get to cdash with just claw?

[dense monolith]

Wait, can't you just go mantis lords into deepnest? Or does nosk's hidden wall prevent that?

[pulsar fern]

Oh i can get to deepnest

I cant send pic

To get to nosks room

Theres a curved wall

That i need to cdash or double jump up to

[dense monolith]

Are there enemies to pogo?

[pulsar fern]

No

[dim cypress]

you can def get to cdash with just claw. Nosk I'm not sure, might need something additional like dash or a shade skip. In the rando section of the speedrun server there's a rando resources channel you can search by room to check

[covert remnant]

with just claw, it’s a shade skip

with claw vs there’s a stallball that’s cursed as all hell, with dash claw its a transdash + some fun dashes to recling

[calm mason]

Yeah the easiest way without Cdash/Wings is to just do the shade skip

[pulsar fern]

Did it! Thanks

[covert remnant]

does anyone know if there’s a vs only skip to city guarded grub from the bottom yet? if not i just found it :D

that’s so sick

you might just be able to drop down from above anyways lol

ok you definitely can BUT that’s 3 fireballs too

[calm mason]

Not in a room rando

Or if coming from left city

So yeah, I can see its use

Also it looks amazing

[covert remnant]

this kinda trivializes it

but i’m labbing it with wraiths!!!!! this is not defeat, tremen!!!!

got it

LFG

finished product

[mental nimbus]

what other mods should i use randomizer with

[flat zenith]

Hi guys

Thanks for replying
I'm new here just want to make new friends you can inbox me 😚😍

[flat zenith]

Well you have the right

[vast marsh]

Wouldn't it be fun to organize big races in rando ? Everyone same seed, the lowest final time wins, idk if thats a thing

I do it with my friend but the dude is less hk obsesed than me

[digital lynx]

there are rando races in the speedrunning server, i dont know too much about it other than the fact that there are a variety of formats that are played

[torpid lantern]

how do i disable any checks that require takedamage for hitless rando?

[calm mason]

I think the only mandatory takedamage location is that goam geo rock in crossroads

[dim cypress]

Geo rock in fog also depending on equipment, if you dont have bombs rando'd, although I dont know if that's actually in logic when damage is required

[calm mason]

Yeah the fog canyon rock I believe asks for VS or damage boosts

[slim narwhal]

would morestags logic be like Stag-East_Waterways?FALSE + Can_Stag?FALSE?

[calm mason]

You probably don't need to coalesce Can_Stag as it's a base rando waypoint

But other than that yeah

What would that stag be used for? So far all MoreStag interop was handled in MoreStags' end

[slim narwhal]

well.....

https://github.com/TheMathGeek314/NotBackgroundObjectRando/commit/b4409c1d30a648c62b31eafea6105a7082b93cfe

Stag-East_Waterways itself is in waterways 14
the tram locked grub

[calm mason]

Ohhh for the BG

Yeah that does make sense to handle there I guess

[slim narwhal]

just so i dont be paranoid
this whole expression | Stag-East_Waterways?FALSE+(ACID|RIGHTSUPERDASH) would just be ignored without morestags right

[calm mason]

Assuming it's all just one term then yes

[slim narwhal]

uhh ((Waterways_14[bot2] + (RIGHTCLAW | WINGS + LEFTCLAW | $SHRIEKPOGO[before:ITEMSOUL])))| Waterways_14[bot1] + (ANYCLAW | $SHRIEKPOGO[2]) + (ACID | RIGHTSUPERDASH) | Stag-East_Waterways?FALSE + Can_Stag + (ACID | RIGHTSUPERDASH) here for example

[sick pawn]

-# Please Roma I beg you, test your code before making a pull request

[slim narwhal]

sobbing emoji

[dense monolith]

Are mantis lords just not in the enemy rando?

[brazen trail]

That wouldn’t really surprise me
They probably wouldn’t work well outside of their arena given how much all of their moves happen solely based on the arena (and not like distance to the player)

[dense monolith]

Yea. I'm still sad tho.

I wonder how hard it would be to make a boss rando where upon entering a boss room, you are tped to a random boss in godhome, then apon beating it, tped back and given rewards.

[covert remnant]

i have another one

far less flashy but itemless movement for the same room, i don’t think it’s in logic

[sharp apex]

This might be a stupid question, but is the rando a pc only thing or is it available on console too

[covert remnant]

pc only

[dawn pawn]

that was cool yo

[covert remnant]

how does logic for pleasure house work? i only see:
Ruins_Elevator[left1] | Ruins_Elevator[left2]
but that’s room rando logic or smth surely

simple key locked checks aren’t put into logic anywhere until 4 keys are found right? but is there not any movement logic for pleasure house access?

[sick pawn]

The logic inside the room depends on just the transitions, but the actual transition definitions have their own logic as well, which I assume accounts for the keys

[covert remnant]

what would i need to do to find that logic?

[calm mason]

The Simple Key check is in the transition from the big room into the Elevator

[sick pawn]

The logic for that door is here if that helps

[calm mason]

That's the one

If you happen to wonder what PLEASUREHOUSEUNLOCK means it's a macro and the token for it is either SIMPLE>3 or Pleasure_Key if using Unique Keys from AccessRando

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[slow zephyr]

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[arctic dust]

please don't spam, spamming will result in a mute or more and will reset your message count

[keen shard]

im trying to get to 300 messages so i can send gifs

[keen shard]

oh

[arctic dust]

?tag permpsa

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[keen shard]

thanks

[arctic dust]

if you want to have more messages, just go defend hiveblood in #hk-discussion or something, it will be more effective

[keen shard]

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[keen shard]

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[covert remnant]

bro stop spamming

you will get banned

[keen shard]

i have stopped spamming

[broken quartz]

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[narrow atlas]

@fair island go to google chat

I CANT DM RN

@fair island GO TO GOOGLE CHAT

BRO

[supple quail]

Why are you doing this here

[narrow atlas]

i cant dm this is the only server i share with her

sorry

[rotund gate]

They have dnd on btw

They cant hear your ping

[meager halo]

the joys of hk main

[robust peak]

the isn't an off topic channel it's for item/room randomizer

[slim narwhal]

π are you planning on making grimm rando?

[sick pawn]

I believe someone has it in the works, but if that doesn't pop up by the time I finish a few other sizable projects, it's on my list

[slim narwhal]

Oh really
Let's goo

[tropic pewter]

can someone could help me to instale the randomiser for hk ?

[dense monolith]

1. Install lumafly
2. Install randomizer 4 in lumafly
3. Downpatch game in steam
4. Launch game with lumafly

[tropic pewter]

thanks

[dense monolith]

You can type "?tag lumafly" if you need the link

[mortal zenith]

Probably move 3 to before 1

[dense monolith]

True, but I don't know if it makes a difference.

[arctic dust]

it avoids needing to through some troubleshooting if you get blank savefiles

[tropic pewter]

Is there a difference if I find them on the Microsoft Store? @dense monolith

[dense monolith]

Find what?

[tropic pewter]

if i get

[mortal zenith]

If you have HK on the Microsoft store, then you can't currently mod

Currently only the Steam and Gog Galaxy versions can be modded, because those are the only two with the option to use the Previous Patch

[tropic pewter]

ok thanks im gonna to buy the steam version then

[quiet copper]

does anyone know where these checks are

[jaunty dawn]

What’s typically the goal in a randomizer run, specifically ones with the map randomized too? Any%, radiance, 100%?

[winged prairie]

whatever you choose

I usually do/did until rad th

[jaunty dawn]

Idek what a realistic goal is lol

[winged prairie]

any% or rad

for me

[jaunty dawn]

Alr

[thorn shadow]

where in the settings can i view unchecked locs? I'm kinda stuck and didn't new those exist

[quiet copper]

rando 4 settings, helper log

[thorn shadow]

ty

[dim cypress]

I'd suggest installing rando map mod if you're unfamiliar with all item locations, it will display check locations on the map & whether they're in logic. The first 2 checks are in the room to the right of the lower crystal peak bench. The last I think might be in the room to the left of the waterfall bench

[quiet copper]

already checked left of waterfall, but i was just looking for a way into cot

trying to get claw or
ccrest or smth

[slim narwhal]

What did we do before mapmod
It won't work on an existing run too

[quiet copper]

and i got into cot using the stupidest way possible

[slim narwhal]

Oh right yeah i have an idea of the gp rock
Second fb skip,seldic slash. Bottom of the room comming from right1

There are 2 shrubbs there too

The so called greenpath storerooms

[dim cypress]

Before mapmod you just ran around looking LMAO my first geo rock rando I had no mapmod. Also it can work installed mid run, for some people

[dim cypress]

Also this is funny to me because this is clearly latest patch terminology and it didnt occur to me, on 1221 that's the 3rd fireball skip LOL

[quiet copper]

what

[calm mason]

The Crystal Peak ones are in the room right of the lower bench. The Greenpath one is to the right of the toll bench

I recommend RandoMapMod to see them as pins in the map

[finite anvil]

I think my first rando run I didn't use map mod and ended up figuring out where checks were through a combination of the helper log and looking at the interactive map website

[undone anchor]

dfgsdfg

[slim narwhal]

if i pr ```

• {

•    "name": "Ruins1_25[left3]",
  

•    "logic": "Ruins1_25[left3] | (Ruins1_25[left1] + (ANYCLAW | WINGS)| Lever-Sanctum_East ) | Ruins1_25[left2]"
  

• },```
  to leverRando/LogicOverrides.json would i be correct?

currently its "Ruins1_25[left3] | (Ruins1_25[left1] + (ANYCLAW | WINGS)) | Ruins1_25[left2] | Bench-Outer_Sanctum"

(in rawspoiler
that lever doesnt have any overrides rn)

[calm mason]

I don't remember what that room is so idk

[slim narwhal]

I mean like sytax and place(should it go into randomizer 4) wise

It's the rightmost sanctum room
Before hell room

Left1->left3 would be top to bottom

[calm mason]

Oh, so the lever itself would be an alternative to vertical for going top to bottom of the room, right?

The only change then would be to put the lever term inside the ANYCLAW | WINGS parentheses

[slim narwhal]

Right

Thanks
I was also thinking if theres anything with ORIG that i'd have to do. The conclusion was no

[calm mason]

Orig is used whenever you impact an existing token after its defined to call its source definition (LogicOverrides)If defining it on the source you can't really use ORIG because there's nothing to look for

[slim narwhal]

I basically thought you would use orig to add an alternete routr like ORIG | Bench-Outer_Sanctum or a global requirement like ORIG + Wall-Peak_mimic

[slim narwhal]

While this is like a targeted edit in the middle of an existing deffenition

[earnest sequoia]

whats the most used randomizer mod for room/item rando? im new to hk modding

[slim narwhal]

Randomizer 4

[trail rain]

anybody wanna do a two player rando or more

[quiet copper]

how do i activate rando map mod

[covert remnant]

ctrl M

[trail rain]

can someone help me figure out how to set up a two player rando i know nothing about multyplayer

anybody wanna do a rando if so room: 1234567890

[frail nymph]

Small Homothety Organization

-# A place for all the info you could need for Rando and Glitches

Home page: https://www.smallhomothetyorganization.org/
╚ Rando
╚ Glitches
╚ Events
╚ Grubby

[woeful prairie]

What is the mod for the recent items shown in the top of your screen

[dense monolith]

RecentItemsDisplay

[trail rain]

recentitemsdisplay

[woeful prairie]

Ty

[trail rain]

how do i get my map mod to show whats at the location in a randomizer

does anyone know?

[dim cypress]

You can toggle the spoiler status in the options, visible on the pause screen. However, it's not usually recommended to turn spoilers on - just continue to get the checks that are in logic. And if you do want to look at spoilers it's generally easier to just look at the log

[trail rain]

ty

[dense monolith]

Can you get ismas without claw?

[trail rain]

yes

i forgot how but i did it once

[slim narwhal]

With what restrictions?
If claw is the only restriction you deffinetelly can

[dense monolith]

Well I have all skips off aswell

[trail rain]

nevermind you cant cause of needing to kill dung defender

[slim narwhal]

That would not be a problem
You can also shrogo

[trail rain]

true

[slim narwhal]

With no skips tho,i dont think you can

It would require at least wings and enemy pogos

[dense monolith]

I have wings

[slim narwhal]

Unless you have ismas and wings ig

[dense monolith]

I do

I just can't figure out how to get to it

[slim narwhal]

Oh buh

[dense monolith]

Look idk waterways that well lol

[trail rain]

even with wings you cant get to dung and he said no skips so no shroggo

[slim narwhal]

You just like go right
So post spike runnel you go right and right and bottom and right

And right

And gg

[dense monolith]

Am I supposed to be able to get up this?

[slim narwhal]

I guess so?

[trail rain]

show just before that

[dense monolith]

I am trying, but I can't get it

[slim narwhal]

Do you have right dash? You can also try to corner correct

[dense monolith]

I do

Try to what?

[slim narwhal]

Corner correcting is when the game basically lifts you higher after dashing
So if you slightly miss the ledge,it just boosts you up,instead of having you fall. All you have to do is dash at the top of your wings

And if you're high enough you'll corner correct

[trail rain]

ill test everything in the game to try and help

[dense monolith]

Ok got it

That took a few tries

Thanks!

[trail rain]

good job

[dense monolith]

I did not know that was a thing

[slim narwhal]

Some wing inputs are stupid

Yeah corner correct is also like the best

[teal mauve]

This randomizer is taking forever to set up 😭

1:41:00.000 so far

And before you ask what settings, the answer is YES

[teal mauve]

Final randomizing time: 2:21:05.624

[dense monolith]

Wait, it finished? Wow.

[fluid hatch]

Wow i don't know about that cool

[brittle socket]

Hi im new

[normal totem]

hi new i’m destroyr

[brittle socket]

Ok

[rotund tundra]

hi

[covert remnant]

probably not useful but like

you should’ve seen what i was cooking before i realized a hwurmp could fit

i was trying to make pilflips skip viable

[slim narwhal]

bro

[sick pawn]

the reverse of this with sharp shadow has consumed too many hours of my life

[covert remnant]

spellless version ig

sad to phase the stallball out but i have an idea for making it useful again

i lied

stallball sucks

it would be like claw isma’s only

even with claw isma’s you can just lure the hwurmp idk

this stallball is fated to be useless

[atomic brook]

Thx

A bit late I know

[glass trail]

Is there a video or a document that explains how the randomizer logic works? I like looking into this stuff

[calm mason]

I don't think there are videos

But the Logic Readme is a good start: https://github.com/homothetyhk/RandomizerMod/blob/master/LOGIC_README.md

And mainly RandoCore's docs: https://homothetyhk.github.io/RandomizerCore/

[glass trail]

thank you

[slim narwhal]

when you finish look into writing it
-# there is a cerain connection that needs 10 more thousand logic clauses written

[blissful pulsar]

Is there a hollow knight mobile randomizer?

[dense monolith]

No

[normal totem]

that falls under piracy

[dense monolith]

As mobile is pirated, there is no mod support.

[blissful pulsar]

Oh OK, thanks

[slim narwhal]

Does geo rando respect multi location penalty?

[calm mason]

It's... not quite the same, I mean

Geo rando doesn't have locations with multiple items

[slim narwhal]

Ykwim

[calm mason]

Well, the answer is, technically yes, in practice no, no penalty is applied

[proud swift]

Question: Is the stag nest skip possible without any equipment? Is shade + enemy pogo enough?

Context: Started a room rando archipelago with some friends, got BK'd immediately. The only paths available to me required mantis claw (which was locked behind the stag nest), or shade-cloak. We reset since it was right at the start, but I was just wondering if maybe we didn't need to without me waiting for both mothwing, then shade cloak?

[covert remnant]

https://youtu.be/dcxqyNx7rrk?si=MBMKdTu8Wy1etoj7

this is the closest example i could find, but has claw

[normal totem]

how do you even get into cliffs without claw/stag nest (excluding baldur shell)

[proud swift]

Room randomiser swaps the loading screens about

[normal totem]

oh it’s a room rando

makes more sense

[past kiln]

Huh, I have all 3 dreamers before getting a single kingsoul fragment this run.

[proud swift]

Thank you! I didn't even have VS unfortunately, but this could definitely help for future runs

[covert remnant]

im more confused that you can room rando in archipelago

is that a beta feature?

[covert remnant]

without an airstall, im gonna say that's impossible

[proud swift]

Yeah, it's a beta version of the archipelago

[covert remnant]

huge, i didnt realize an update was coming

what else is new?

[proud swift]

I think mostly just some additional logic options, but someone else probably has a better knowledge

[proud swift]

Thank you! I'm still somewhat new to skips like that, so it's helpful to know what is and isn't possible!

[covert remnant]

there are 3 vengeflies in that room so you proooobably could get it itemless with vs, a lot more likely with wraiths

[calm mason]

Yeah, BadMagic released the Archi room rando a few weeks ago

[covert remnant]

my goat

[mortal zenith]

Note that to use the new HKAP you still need to use the beta APworld at this time

[past kiln]

Huh, vanilla void heart location

[honest glacier]

Yall

How do I install a randmaizer

[dim cypress]

With lumafly like most mods

?tag lumafly

[frail nymph]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[dim cypress]

?tag sho

[frail nymph]

Small Homothety Organization

-# A place for all the info you could need for Rando and Glitches

Home page: https://www.smallhomothetyorganization.org/
╚ Rando
╚ Glitches
╚ Events
╚ Grubby

[hot pendant]

Hey guys, how do I activate randomization by damage? Mine is only set to timer.

[calm mason]

Check the settings in the mod menu, pretty sure you can enable it there

[limpid plover]

was geht diggi

[pastel bramble]

Rancid eggs

[ruby grove]

guys

i want to the randomizer make everything random

idk how

[dense monolith]

So set the settings to do that.

[ruby grove]

how

i want even the enamine be random

[dense monolith]

Go into each setting, and change it to what you want. If you want everything random, just turn everything on.

Enemy rando is a different mod.

[ruby grove]

oh

ok i have another probilm

the randomizer

not make a run to play

how to fix it

?

[dense monolith]

wdym?

[ruby grove]

look at your dm please

[dense monolith]

For anyone curios, the issue was just the randomizer was taking a while to finish.

[slim narwhal]

A long 20 seconds

[calm mason]

It can take long enough if your settings are dumb enough

[slim narwhal]

Deffinetelly not in base rando

[calm mason]

Nah base rando you'd have to try pretty hard to make it last over 20s

[sick pawn]

-# Now who would ever make a connection that brings your gen time over 6 hours

[slim narwhal]

does rando normally throw an error in the modlog if there are more locations than items?

apparently that was caused by split group

[sick pawn]

if there are more locations, any empty slots are filled with One Geo

[slim narwhal]

That is what i knew yes

[calm mason]

I think no errors are thrown since it's expected and handled behaviour

[slim narwhal]

https://discord.com/channels/283467363729408000/1502424213435191427

[calm mason]

Well, I think wrong it seems lmao

[slim narwhal]

Is this worth a purenail ping
The chance of him seeing this is lower than seeing a gh rando rewrite

[calm mason]

It's worth a ping

(Or a post in Modding server at least)

Purenail is quite active, even though he's more into Silksong modding lately

So the odds are higher than a Godhome rewrite atm

I should add the rewrite to Polymarket and profit

"Will Nerthul rewrite GodhomeRando before The Winds of Winter is released?"

[slim narwhal]

Thats insider trading AND evil

[calm mason]

I think in around 2/3 weeks I'll have a bit more of free time

Right now when I finish work I really just wanna play or relax

[slim narwhal]

I have a feeling you're still gonna do something else lmao

[calm mason]

I started working on ArenaRando, found one or two minor roadblocks and brainfarted out of it

That looks closer than adding support for Ancient Aspid for sure

But idk, inspiration works in mysterious ways

[slim narwhal]

"Will pale court or liquid rando come out first?" Is actually an interresting bet

[calm mason]

Ye

[slim narwhal]

Or liquid rando vs godhome rewrite
Not sure how much i'll be progressing in summer,but i deffinetelly have motivation
Maybe for now💀

[calm mason]

Well, technically the plan is to do PC after the rewrite since compatibility is pretty much the biggest reason to make a rewrite on the first place

Unless an initial-non-connection support version is released first

Which I should've done since it's interop hell that really kept me from getting it ready

(And Dryya The Picky)

[slim narwhal]

Ya thats what i mean
If im riviling pale court,i have more time. But on the second thought,summer is soon. And motivation is quite strong. So i could rival the rewrite,which would be earlier

Like riviling palecourt could give me too much time,at which point i deffinetelly win so thats not even a competition
Is what im saying
But who knows

The real question is "will Math release ten more connections before any of this happens"

[calm mason]

That's not a question

That's an obvious yes

[sick pawn]

Well, my current todo list (in no particular order) is

• A rando connection that someone else might be building but I'll get around to it if not
• A rather large connection that is currently eating up all of my time and may take a month or two to finish logic with nerthul locked in my basement
• A very stupid connection idea that I might not even do
• Figuring out the cause of the bug (likely in MAPI) that causes the plando to crash
• A new mechanic that doesn't have to be a rando connection
• A connection that I theorized years ago but someone requested a week or two ago
• Figuring out which mod causes SitButton to break
• A small qol mod

[slim narwhal]

8
Scinse you can't sit without read/listen i would look at lore rando. The chane you already know and maybe even checked that is very high,i know

[slim narwhal]

Even after consulting my notes,i have not been able to find anything else "big" left to randomize
Besides lumaflies

Among things that have not been taken

[dim cypress]

No Mimic Shop on the list

[sick pawn]

Lumaflies technically got included with breakables

[sick pawn]

Nah, not planned at the moment

-# might actually start considering it though

[tawny whale]

grrrr

when i do a rando i ALWAYS GET SOFTLOCKED, ALWAYS, and I'll open helper log and it'll say grubfather and seer, but grubfather just gives me geo, and see just opens spirits glade and tells me to get 2400 essence, neither of them have those lore tablet things that tell you what you get for how much and I've lost 4 RANDOS NOW

[mortal zenith]

uninstall WeaverCore

[tawny whale]

why

what's that got to do with anything

[mortal zenith]

Well, there's a way that I know that you have it installed

[tawny whale]

true

[mortal zenith]

You can choose to take the advice or not

[tawny whale]

i just uninstalled it, let's seeeeee

oh god damn it

i already deleted my rando save file

ugh

@mortal zenith tysm :3

[slim narwhal]

That is the reason i can't be sure what you're cooking

[arctic dust]

<@&283547423706447872>

[tender yew]

hello, is there a way to have enemy randomizer randomize bosses between them and enemies between them? I don't really want like mantis lords to turn into random greenpath enemy number 24

[trail rain]

yeah base settings

for enemy rando

[tender yew]

oh

I did tweak a couple things, is it randomization type that defines what I'm describing?

for example I turned off balance replacement HP

[trail rain]

did you turn it specifickly on connections

[tender yew]

I left randomization type as "object" because I don't really understand the setting

[dense monolith]

I don't think so.

[trail rain]

wait do you mean bosses are other bosses and enemeis are other enemies?

[tender yew]

yea

[trail rain]

i think you need a different mod for that

[tender yew]

there's other ones?

[trail rain]

enemy randos there are a few

[dim cypress]

There is only 1 working enemy rando for HK

[tender yew]

I didn't see more than the one simply called enemy randomizer

[dim cypress]

?tag enemyrando

[frail nymph]

Enemy Randomizer FAQ

Enemy Randomizer is the mod that randomizes Bosses and Enemies. It is considered in Alpha, so you may run into problems when using it, and having DebugMod installed is recommended.

All Enemies are the same‽

The settings do not properly initialize at this time, so you'll need to Pause > Options > Mods > Enemy Randomizer > Modules and turn each module OFF and then back ON.

I only want Bosses shuffled!

You can choose which enemies are shuffled in the mod's menu. The pins of the Enemy Randomizer channel has a list of the names of bosses, as well as a spreadsheet of all enemy names.

Can I use it with Randomizer 4?

You can, but Enemy Randomizer doesn't make changes to the logic, so it's not recommended to use Skips that are enemy related. Additionally, items that come from Enemies may not spawn correctly.

[dim cypress]

(the enemy rando channel mentioned in the tag is in the modding server)

[trail rain]

there are others but they dont work but there are settings in the them that work that vway

[dense monolith]

I think you can turn on and off what gets replaced and what it gets repleced with, but I don't think there is a way to create 2 seperate pools.

[tender yew]

alright, it's fine, I'm prepared for the incoming 24 pure vessels lol

[trail rain]

is that whats happening

[dim cypress]

there are others for silksong, but not for HK, which I'm pretty sure is what they're talking about since Mantis Lords were mentioned

[tender yew]

yea first game

[trail rain]

so was pure vessul

vessel"

[slim narwhal]

Wait its not true enemy rando right
That mod is like impossible surely

[dim cypress]

what do you consider "true" enemy rando

[slim narwhal]

Post from math called that in the modding server

Sorry, "the real" https://discord.com/channels/879125729936298015/1400597003565531268

[trail rain]

try only bosses its a fun one

[dim cypress]

i think I did see that but forgot about it. I doubt it's impossible, although it might make most people's PCs unhappy to gen LOL

[slim narwhal]

"The logic for each location exists in trjr" probably excludes the need of locking nerthul in a basement,so it's not that...unless he would be ungroupping the said logic

[slim narwhal]

I mean i dont think anybody ever cared about gen time

[normal totem]

my game crashed in enemy rando

rip

[dim cypress]

You may need to do this: #modding-discussion message

[sick pawn]

I'm avoiding that for as long as I can, no thank you, nope, no way

[normal totem]

are crashes a common occurence in enemy rando

[dim cypress]

since an update, if you haven't followed the steps I linked, yes.

[normal totem]

?tag saves

[frail nymph]

Important paths

Notes: These assume you're using Steam, with default locations. For GoG, locate your hollow_knight.exe folder, and then follow from there. The Save Files location is the same for all versions (except for XBox Games) and additionally contains Global Settings as well as your ModLog.txt. Some mod installers such as Lumafly can open these folders for you.

• Lumafly Shortcuts: Open Mods Folder | Open Saves Folder

• **Windows except XBox Games ** 🪟

  • Save Files: %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\
  • Mod Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods\
  • To find Saves folder:
    1. Press [WindowsKey] + [R]
    2. Copy & Paste the Save Files path
    3. Press [Enter]

• XBox Games/Gamepass 🎮: type ?tag gamepass into chat for more info.

• Mac OS 🍎

  • Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
  • Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/
  • Mod Files: Right-click hollow_knight.app, select "show contents", then go to: contents ᐅ resources ᐅ data ᐅ managed ᐅ mods
  • To find Saves folder:
    1. In the Finder, click "Go" in the top menu and select "Go to folder"
    2. Copy and paste the Save Files path and press enter.

• **Linux ** 🐧

  • Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
  • Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/
  • Mod Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/Managed/Mods/

[normal totem]

it’s taking a lot longer to start up so im guessing it worked

[willow relic]

anyone know what happens to sly when you get shopkeepers key before finding him? Im in a rando and I got it before i reached him and hes just not in abandoned village anymore and his shop is still closed

[normal totem]

he should be at the usual spot where you save him

[willow relic]

hes not

hmm

[trail rain]

anyone know the name of the kaizo hollow knight mod

[covert remnant]

there are a bunch of those

if it’s from a youtube video, it’s probably impossible any%

[mortal zenith]

The mod itself would probably be Decoration Master, or possibly Architect

Both of those mods allow for "packs" to be loaded for them

[livid horizon]

hi, for some reason discord isn't letting me attach anything so i can't show it, but for some reason the grubfather reward chest just. isn't there. it is also (a) the only unchecked item/location in my rando, and (b) wouldn't have any rewards i could get anyway bc i have 11 grubs and i set the minimum grub reward to 15

[dim cypress]

You need to meet the message threshold in order to post pics in this channel, but feel free to create a #1057825333841240104 post with all the info requested in the pinned post (you can include a pic there if needed but the modlog will likely be of more use)

?tag permpsa

[frail nymph]

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[livid horizon]

thanks

[fossil parrot]

okkkkkk

[lunar arch]

@primal pine Yo, When I DM'd you that I wasnt tryna be rude. I was just surprised, but I do see the problem with typing u that after like 5 years. This the only place I could really contact you to apologize

[covert remnant]

anything but talking about the randomizer mod

[small comet]

reading is difficult you know

[normal totem]

shruth nuke

[small comet]

something with having WeaverCore installed and not having properly checked your previewed locations if i had to make a guess

[lost juniper]

Hey all - long one. Currently running my third seed with no skips enabled in logic, although I'm using some basic enemy pogos and such here and there. Random starting location is Greenpath and I've picked up dash and shade cloak. Only stags are Dirtmouth (door is closed) and Hidden Station. Map tracker is telling me I have checks in Fungal and Crossroads but I'm failing to see a path through to there. The Elder Baldur is blocking my direct path into Crossroads from behind. There are several closed gates in Fungal blocking my progress to what should be the first part of that area if I was playing vanilla. Took a really long route from the Stone Sactuary bench through Queen's Gardens via Fog Canyon and over the fall into Deepnest and then hit a block in Fungal where even enemy pogo skipping felt impossible. Any thoughts? I have a feeling I'm going to have a lage facepalm moment when someone tells me the obvious open route I missed but I've been staring for like 30 mins now and I'm lost lol. Can post screenshots too if needed

[cyan hemlock]

i think there are a few cliffs checks you can get with just dash before the two baldurs

not sure how helpful that is but it could be something

[lost juniper]

hmm - ill investigate, thanks

looks like a dud unfortunately

I have Mark of Pride but according to what I've read that shouldn't be required for Elder Baldurs with default skip logic. I've attempted the double fight with it a couple times now and that feels rough lol

[dense monolith]

Forgive me for being stupid, but what's stopping you from getting to queen's station?

[slow zephyr]

Same question
Can't you get to shrumal ogre room?
The gate nearby can be bypassed by the next room with a few mushrooms iirc

[lost juniper]

"I have a feeling I'm going to have a lage facepalm moment when someone tells me the obvious open route I missed"

[lost juniper]

it was the alternate route

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppets-annoyed-vwI4mYEHP8k0w

thank you vm @slow zephyr

[slow zephyr]

Np
Glhf

[slim narwhal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppets-annoyed-vwI4mYEHP8k0w

[trail rain]

im playing a enemy rando and im crashing the moment i enter the one spot with the aspid gauntlet what do i do?

[dim cypress]

this: #modding-discussion message

[slim narwhal]

Probably that

Snail

[trail rain]

ty

[slim narwhal]

has logic for this been fixed with bwr?

i think it used to use some sort of rg10proxy so the answer should be yes

[gray haven]

is longnail considered a baldur killer

[calm mason]

I have no idea of where that location is

But also that waypoint is an absolute nightmare so expect potential fn

[mortal zenith]

?tag sho

[frail nymph]

Small Homothety Organization

-# A place for all the info you could need for Rando and Glitches

Home page: https://www.smallhomothetyorganization.org/
╚ Rando
╚ Glitches
╚ Events
╚ Grubby

[mortal zenith]

I'm pretty sure SHO lists the logical ones

as does the Rando ReadMe

[slim narwhal]

As long as its not a false positive

Its at the bottom husk guy

[orchid plume]

Hi ! quick question ! long time since i do a rando , i just tried to enable the map , the option told me te do ctrl + , but since i need to do ctrl + to get + i cant enable the map mob with the check .. am i dumb or there is a way to open it manualy ?

[digital lynx]

the command to enable the map mod is ctrl + m, im not sure exactly what you are having trouble with

also in the pause menu there should just be a button you can click to enable it

[orchid plume]

maybe i did something wrong i dont remember having trouble with this years prior , cant get the map open , ctrl M dont do much either , i installed the pack mod for lumafly given in archipelago to play with some friend and cant get it

K just managed to open it , was looking in the f1 menu but it was in pause menue , the ctrlM still doesnt work idk why

[warped dock]

Does anyone know a way to incorporate the grass randomizer mod into archipelago. It isnt an option by default.

[high juniper]

Isthmus could do that, but from my experience with it, it is too outdated and doesn't allow you to join the apworld

So, no you can not do grass rando with ap

[mortal zenith]

I don't believe Isthmus is "outdated"?

It doesn't connect to AP though, it requires connecting to a HKMW server (so the HK players would just use Randomizer 4, but anyone playing a game that can't natively connect to HKMW would need to use Isthmus)

[high juniper]

I know, I have got it connected to an mw server, but after the game starts, I can not connect to the apworld it hosts with any ap game

[limpid sapphire]

you cant make this up I found abyss shriek at the 3000 geo fountain

[robust peak]

randomizer players when they find a random item at a random location: