#archived-modding-help

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modest quest
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are you healing when you have full hp

patent fable
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ok yeah i got im dumb

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i was healing on full hp and when u said full hp i kinda read it as full soul im my head

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yeah im healing full hp thats why they dont chain

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thanks for ur time '

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and sorry for dealing with my stupid ass

modest quest
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lol dont worry about it

patent fable
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hehe thanks

mild swift
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anyone know what modcommon is, I'm installing the mod hollowpoint and its not working, I looked at the github and it says I need modcommon which isn't apart of scarab. I've used randomiser mods and they work fine I'm not sure if its modcommon or something else I'm doing which is stopping it from working. hollowpoint is the only mod I have activated rn.

errant fable
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need help with the enemy randomizer mod, i can't seem to install it

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i used scarab to install the base randomizer 4 mod so i already have that

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but idk where to get enemy randomizer from

fickle parrot
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I think it’s on scarab

errant fable
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i checked, it isnt

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there is an updated version of it on github but idk how to install it

warm roost
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@errant fable the message I replied to has a link to the mod and a guide explaining how to manually install it

errant fable
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ty

turbid spoke
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is there any 2 player hollow knight mod?

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me and my bro would love to play together

abstract badger
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?pins hkmp

dense shuttleBOT
gusty fractal
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OY HOW DO I DO MULTIPLAYER ON HOLLLOW KNIGHT (on scareb modding thing)

gusty fractal
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na i cant join a server

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i put in the stuff and bnothing happening#

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pls help

abstract badger
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Whaconfuzz

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Can you please explain your problem

graceful whale
gusty fractal
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i did it now its fine thanks for trying to help

abstract badger
gusty fractal
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nvm it not working again

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pls help agian

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i make the port and that and then it keep changing to 127.0.0.1

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helpppppp

graceful whale
gusty fractal
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so i put in all the stuff and my friend does it to and it said that that connected time out

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i start the surver and then that happends

graceful whale
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Well one of you might have connection problems
Or try re-doing all the steps for HKMP again

gusty fractal
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k

abstract badger
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The ip changing to that is normal if that didn’t happen there would be a problem but it is so there is no problem here

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The ip is telling the mod “this computer is what to connect”

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Also read the guide in the pins

hexed haven
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bro there is any hollow knight among us sus skin?

vivid crown
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i have cracked codex version of hoolow knight and im wondering if there is a way i can play multiplayer whithout buying

wheat orchid
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Can only mod purchased versions

vivid crown
glad mortar
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hi,
after installing scarab my game isnt running its crashing at the start i tried many things but cant get it to run...

wheat orchid
glad mortar
wheat orchid
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Scarab and butterfly are the only up to date installers, and it’s recommended to use scarab since butterfly is still in development tmk

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Did you change your game version/use a steam beta?

glad mortar
wheat orchid
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No

glad mortar
wheat orchid
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In scarab have you installed any mods?

glad mortar
wheat orchid
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Was this after or before using mod installer 2

wheat orchid
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Hmmm

glad mortar
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is there a way to reset the whole mod thing? i can enjoy the game without mods too...

wheat orchid
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Yeah, I just want to find out why this is happening, if you didn’t change the game version/use a steam beta, and used scarab after mod installer 2 it should work

pallid geyser
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hello, with RandomizerSettingsRandomizer, it says in Readme 'enable in the connection's menu'. What is the connections menu and where do i find it?

wheat orchid
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If you want to reset the game, go to steam, right click hollow knight, click properties, click local files, click verify integrity. After it checks, it will say files failed to validate and it will redownload them. This won’t affect your save files @glad mortar

glad mortar
wheat orchid
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That’s extremely unlikely

glad mortar
wheat orchid
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I gtg

pallid geyser
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okay thanks for the suggestions

warm roost
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(a randomized file ofc)

pallid geyser
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Thank you Wangha

warm roost
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Btw I have a problem that is probably not caused by mods, but I think it's still the best channel to ask about it : I'm playing the steam version of the game on mac, and I was trying some different video settings and then I clicked the "reset defaults" button. The thing is that the original resolution of the game that I was using (that was 3000 something x 2000 something) disappeared from the options, I can't go above 1920*1080 anymore. I tried to verify the files integrity and to reinstall the game but it didn't change anything. Is there a way to manually add the original resolution or something like that ?

lime bobcat
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a

brittle knoll
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so i wanted to do a room/item randomizer from the scarab mod loader but i see there is just a bunch of different randomizer mods and i was wondering which one i should install? im guessing Randomizer Settings Randomizer but im not sure

warm roost
warm roost
crude whale
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hello i have an issue where scarab doesnt have the disable api option. did they remove it all together in the later patches?

novel bronze
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that feature has always been a bit iffy

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if you wanna go back to vanilla all you need to do is verify file integrity

crude whale
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doesnt that remove scarab all together?

novel bronze
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no

crude whale
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oh ok thanks

gritty tide
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so at some point with the old mod loader the howwo knyight and the poorly translated stacked but now poorly translated just is the only thing that is showing other then the tittle screen

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wondering if i can get them to work together again

south jasper
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Hello

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where is the link of the modinstaller to download

warm roost
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?i

dense shuttleBOT
main tinsel
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wait is scarab for the new version???

novel bronze
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mhm

main tinsel
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whatttt i just downgraded the game cause i thought you needed to

novel bronze
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you don't

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scarab is for 1.5.78.11833 and for 1.5.78.11833 only

main tinsel
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so should i update back to 1.5.78...

novel bronze
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mhm

main tinsel
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oh shit

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does it take space from my pc?

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like to upgrade back

main tinsel
novel bronze
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no

main tinsel
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oh
it just it was doenloading so i was curious

warm roost
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Is there a way to manually add resolution options to the list that I can get in the game settings ? Because I don't have the one that fit my screen's resolution

outer berry
warm roost
outer berry
warm roost
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It might not have been exactly this one, but I had something close to this before, and now the option just disappeared from the list

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At this point I'm wondering if there's an option in steam to like, reinstall the game in a way that it acts as if it was the first installation, without any change to the settings... I have a backup of my savefile so it wouldn't be a problem

warm roost
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Simply reinstalling doesn't work, it keeps the settings and the saves even after disabling cloud save and deleting what was supposed to be the save files, I would need something that entirely resets the game as if I had never played it maybe (which verifying the files integrity doesn't do apparently)

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But i don't know if an option like that even exists

abstract badger
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@novel bronze here is the fix to your issue

jovial bane
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me and my friend are trying to use multiplayer mod but its not working (it says the connection timed out)

outer berry
wheat orchid
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?saves

dense shuttleBOT
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Saves


Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
warm roost
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Thanks I'll try that

novel bronze
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hi, I´m new modding in hollow knight and I was wondering how do I install mods that aren´t in scarab already?

warm roost
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@novel bronze There's a guide in the message I replied to (the "How do I manually install mods on Scarab?" part)

balmy orchid
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Aight, so, Theres two huds, Hud Clean and just base Hade. Using Customknight only replaces Hud Clean so the actual hud dosnt change. Anyone know if its safe to just replace Hud with Hud Clean, or is there something im missing?

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Is the base Hud in a different folder than the Hud Anim, kind of like how some of the knights animations are in other folders?

warm roost
# wheat orchid If you want to delete data the game saves then go to your save files path. If yo...

Unfortunately that didn't work, I even tried to delete everything in the save files folder to see what would happen (after making a backup of course) and even though the save files were gone I still had the weird resolution settings. One interesting thing that I found, but that I didn't try to modify, is a file called "Config.ini" in the Game files, it seems to have some settings written inside regarding the fps cap for example, so I was wondering if it could be possible to modify it to have my old resolution setting back, even though I didn't find anything related to the resolution in the "VideoSettings" part

dusty robin
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so when i tried disabling the mods corrupted kin and inferno king grimm(as well as WeaverCore), they still showed up in my game. i full-on uninstalled the mods in the scarab menu, but this also didn't get rid of them in-game. anybody know why this is happening/how to fix it?

wheat orchid
wheat orchid
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Huh

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Maybe they were added to scarab wrong

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Does disabling/uninstalling other mods work

novel bronze
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is it possible to still use the gun mod with scarab, I´ve been watching videos to try to understand how to do it but they all use another installer that doesn´t seem to work

modest quest
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yes hollow point is on scarab

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the vids you're watching are probably using modinstaller which is outdated

novel bronze
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oh, and how can I get the updated version?

modest quest
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scarab

wheat orchid
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You just install it in scarab

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?i

dense shuttleBOT
abstract badger
novel bronze
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it was already in there? I thought I needed to add it externally

novel bronze
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for some reason now when I open the game with scarab installed it launches as I didn´t have it, is this normal?

wheat orchid
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Wdym

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What’s changed?

novel bronze
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When I open the game it doesn't show the mods I have installed

wheat orchid
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What did you do between it working and it not working?

novel bronze
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Nothing really, I just installed the debug mod and that's it

wheat orchid
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Ah

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What mods were installed before

novel bronze
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Well one of the first things that I did to try to use the gun mis was add it to the mod folder, but when I run it it didn't worked but the game still allowed me to use other mods or custom skins

wheat orchid
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Did you try to manually install it or did you install it in scarab?

novel bronze
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Manually since I didn't knew it was in scarab

wheat orchid
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Try this

novel bronze
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Oh... all of the sudden it just... worked for some reason

wheat orchid
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Huh

novel bronze
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Weird, guess it was somekind of bug, thanks a lot for the help and sorry if I wasted your time

wheat orchid
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I’m just trying to kill time atm

dusty robin
wheat orchid
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Probably something weird with those mods, I’ll see if I can look into it next time I get the chance

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For now, click Open Mods on scarab and either delete or move the folders to the Disabled folder

dusty robin
wheat orchid
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You click the Open Mods button in scarab
To delete:
Click on the folder
Either right click it and click the delete button or press the delete key on your keyboard
To disable:
Click on the folder
Drag it into the disabled folder

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Just the same way you’d delete or move any other file or folder

dusty robin
fallow oxide
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hi, i just installed scarab on hollowknight to have custom skin and since the background of the game has disappeared

alpine cliff
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really want to increase the performance of hk, without drastically changing my pc or damaging it

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The only performance mod i've seen is the removelaggyobjects one, and even so i still get shitty fps in most areas

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somehow i got 5 fps in the beast tamer fight in colo 3, and not only managed to beat it but i beat it hitless somehow

fallow oxide
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(ignore left side) for exemple the grubs in the background have disappeared

abstract badger
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Verify your game integrity through steam and then install a mod on scarab

abstract badger
warm roost
fallow oxide
alpine cliff
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wait

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its pirated?

graceful whale
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Scarab only works on an actual copy of the game purepalm

fallow oxide
graceful whale
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That's really odd
It shouldn't support cracked versions

fallow oxide
fringe creek
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Support team cherry, buy the game, it's on sale all the time and barely costs anything.

graceful whale
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📠

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I agree with this user Chad

fallow oxide
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i already have to much hour on it to buy it :/

graceful whale
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That's no excuse

light garnet
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Also hi mishu

graceful whale
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Hi Krist

alpine cliff
fallow oxide
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i fixed it

alpine cliff
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on the actual version?

fallow oxide
alpine cliff
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._.

fallow oxide
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the blur quality needed to be at high

fallow oxide
alpine cliff
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ask your parents for like 10 dollars

graceful whale
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Do you have a spare $5

alpine cliff
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it costs like around 10

graceful whale
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It's on sale rn

alpine cliff
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ah

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also, are pirated versions highly discouraged or just banned

fallow oxide
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it can't be banned it's offline

alpine cliff
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bc people are using them

graceful whale
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Discouraged and looked down upon

fallow oxide
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yeah

alpine cliff
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so you cant get banned from the server

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okie

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just wanted to know

graceful whale
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THEN WHY ARE YOU PIRATING AN INDIE GAME

alpine cliff
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im not?

graceful whale
alpine cliff
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or were you telling qep

novel yew
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Woah the courage. Pirating a 15 and sometimes 7$ game and then try to ask in the official community for help with it?

alpine cliff
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the audacity

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i think they made an announcement

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on people asking for modding help on a pirated version

fallow oxide
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i'll buy silksong but it's to late to buy hollow knight now

lime delta
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In the words of dwarfwoot, it doesn't matter whether or not you pirate the game. More often then not you weren't going to buy it no matter what, so you aren't costing sales. Just please don't ask for support for mods

novel yew
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You CAN get muted undefinitely

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Bc of piratimg

alpine cliff
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*pirating

novel yew
alpine cliff
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well some people cant

novel yew
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If you buy the game rn, your progress wont be feleted

alpine cliff
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they support it in different ways

lime delta
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We will stay out of your business if you stay out of ours. And our job is to help people who deserve it.

novel yew
lime delta
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Just... drop it guys

alpine cliff
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and sharing it with friends

lime delta
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It doesn't matter

alpine cliff
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that actuallly arent toxic enough to pirate the game

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but actually pay

graceful whale
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Let's just all shut up and not flood the chat

novel yew
abstract badger
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I summon thoust Mickley

alpine cliff
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back on topic - earlier i asked if i could have a performance mod or something

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becuz i had 5 fps on beast tamer

abstract badger
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And I answered

alpine cliff
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kind of

abstract badger
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What answer did you want, general computer stuff

graceful whale
# alpine cliff kind of

There's nothing you can do to the game to perform better if you have a bad laptop
Other than lower quality and such but if that doesn't work then it's on your computer tisoshrug

alpine cliff
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alr ima try get a better pc or pc parts then

latent geyser
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Randomizer Error thing, i dont really understand it, but was wondering if i could get help with it

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Forgot to add my mod list

abstract badger
solid prism
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where get scarab

wheat orchid
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?i

dense shuttleBOT
long gate
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just because its a indie game doesn't mean they didn't get what they deserved.

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and if your talking about a other indie game other than hollow knight ok. I got that but that's offtopic af

graceful whale
long gate
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It was 3 people so I guess I can agree with that opinion and you shouldn't pirate it unless you really want to go to jail/prison for a while or have to pay back more than the game costs but idk how team cherry takes pirating.

graceful whale
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I didn't ask

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@stray grail I FINALLY DID IT BTW

abstract badger
stray grail
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LETS GOOOOOO

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welcome to the club

turbid garnet
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is there a list of good custom knight skins?

swift prism
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Guys, I really need your help, I haven't been able to solve the problem for 4 hours

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...

novel bronze
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Is your game open

swift prism
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no

novel bronze
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are you running scarab as admin

swift prism
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already

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before that, it worked, but I then deleted it as unnecessary, but later I needed it, I downloaded it and here it is...
at first, scarab asked for a path, and when I pointed it out, it asked for the same thing over and over again
I was able to fix it
now this

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I have reinstalled the game 3 times and deleted the save files

novel bronze
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why does this happen lmao i dont have any mod which should lead to this

novel bronze
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no

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oh wait nvm its not me

keen frost
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Hey, Trying to run Scarab for the Steam Linux version, installed some mods, but the game doesn't run more than that. It shows the little Knight for 2 seconds and the game either stops responding or just crashes right away. Should I install the windows version of the game and run it with proton(still using the scarab linux version)?

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problem solved, install the windows version of the game on steam solved it.

thin mirage
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can i get help with hkmp to work

modest quest
thin mirage
outer berry
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how get ultimatum radiance?

outer berry
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and then what

abstract badger
outer berry
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How do i know if i have the mod enabled

abstract badger
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If radiance is ultimatum bellidea

austere raven
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how do i get the debug mod?

graceful whale
austere raven
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how exactly?

graceful whale
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You need Scarab

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Check pins

keen crow
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i have a problem i downloaded scarab and i can see it in the hk folders but when i join the game and click options i cant see there the mod option what can i do?

raven venture
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Is there any way to add mods to Xbox version

formal ingot
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where can i find a safe any radiance mod file?

keen crow
pliant lantern
keen crow
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dwarf can u help me pls? i cant see my mods or use them

pliant lantern
keen crow
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i sent screenshots couple messeges before

pliant lantern
summer moth
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Hey uh

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I recently built a PC

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Running on ubuntu linux

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I was using a mac previously

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Problem is

summer moth
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HK has differnet save systems for mac, linux and windows

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So

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I cant play my save file

pliant lantern
summer moth
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And

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It shows as

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No saves

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So either its a local save system or

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Cloud saves dont port

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So

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Either

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Proton is being wacky and is being forced to run on a game with native linux support and thats screwing it up

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There arent

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Any cloud saves at all

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Or saves dont port between OS

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So uh

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Is their any mod or tool i could use to make inter OS cloud saves a thing

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And

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Failing that

pliant lantern
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I mean, regardless of what's going on with Steam, the statement was incorrect

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Assuming you still can access the Mac, you can just get your saves from it

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?saves

dense shuttleBOT
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Saves


Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
summer moth
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Local?

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I just have to put my save data on a usb and drag it into the corect path for linux?

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Or just email it to myself

pliant lantern
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Save files are always saved locally, yes.
Steam Cloud just takes those files and attempts to back them up, then redownloads them on the other synchronized machines

pliant lantern
summer moth
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Or mail chimpanzee

round glacier
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Why is this not working

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Plz help

pliant lantern
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Where did you get the game from?

round glacier
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xbox gamepass

pliant lantern
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How to use Scarab in Microsoft Store
🔹 First enter the Xbox app and move your mouse over Hollow Knight on the left bar.
🔸 Click the three points then click "Manage".
🔹 Go to the "Files" tab and select "Browse...".
🔸 Click Hollow Knight then Content, click the path bar and copy it.

Run Scarab as admin and when it asks you for the path paste what copied before.

Second Method:
🔹 Click on your profile then "Settings"
🔸 Go to "General" tab and select "CHANGE FOLDER"
🔹 Look for a folder where you want to install the game (Preferably inside a folder in your desktop).
🔸 Copy the path bar then run Scarab and when it asks you for the path paste what copied before.

Scarab path folder needs to have Hollow Knight_Data folder inside
Image Showing a example of the game path:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879130708302520321/961419530662477884/unknown.png

round glacier
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xbox app is still loading

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I have a slow pc

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:/

pliant lantern
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That looks like you pasted it twice

round glacier
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Holy shit it finally worked

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thank you good man

lost mason
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I am using the hollow point mod .
When i spawn in the king's pass , the weapon that is displayed is AK-47 , but if i equip it , it suddenly turns into a shotgun that doesn't even shoot .

lost mason
novel yew
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Rejoin

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Why would there be a useless mod

lost mason
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Alright . it worked thank you!

dense ether
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please help! it isn't working

narrow patrol
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i get an error when i try installing mods on scarab i’ve already put in the path

abstract badger
abstract badger
narrow patrol
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I’ll try

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It doesn’t open if I run as administrator

pliant lantern
narrow patrol
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Xbox

pliant lantern
# dense ether please help! it isn't working

Reset CustomKnight Creator Memory
This should fix errors that prevent the program from opening.

  • Press the WindowsKey + R at the same to time to bring up the "Run" window, then enter %appdata%\..\..\CustomKnight Creator and press Enter.
  • Delete the savestate.json file.
  • Run CustomKnight Creator again
abstract badger
narrow patrol
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Scarab only opens if I extract it from files

pliant lantern
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If you never watched the "Modding Tutorial" video in the pins, then you may want to do that

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Typically speaking, the only extra thing you have to do for Microsoft Store versions of the game, is to run Scarab as Administrator. Other than that, the video shows how to do everything

ancient ermine
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anybody had a issue with custon knight where the mod completly stops working. was up one minuite wasnt the next. uninstalled scarab the mod itself and even the game and nothing changes. click the skin i want and it stays as the default knight

pliant lantern
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In some cases, you may need to apply one skin, then wait a moment, and then apply a different skin.

ancient ermine
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awesome. thanks man im sure that will fix it i just didnt know where to look i suck at computers

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i just got a pc used to play hk on xbox

ebon turtle
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i followed the procedure for the public server when it comes to multiplayer

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and after that i am stuck

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if there someone more experience can you dm me for a bit

pliant lantern
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The guide is honestly really detailed though. If you haven't read the FAQ section, you probably should.

ebon turtle
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we ve entere the ports etc

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and we connecetd to the servers

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after that nothing happens one is the host

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and the other is just connected

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how do we get in the same file

pliant lantern
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If you're using the public server, then no one should be "the host"

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because the Public Server is the host in that case

ebon turtle
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ty

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i didnt know that

stuck chasm
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Hey there,
Im sorry to disturb but i changed my Hollow knight from 1.14 -> 1.2.2.1 and then back to 1.14 and the scarab modloader doesnt work/load while i start the game. I didnt really find something on how to fix it directly.
If i need to deinstall all mods, what is the best way to do it? Would i need to deinstall the game?

novel yew
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Changing path essentially deletes mods

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Too

stuck chasm
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but i used it on 1.4 or i just mean the newest if 1.4 isnt the newest verion

novel yew
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It isnt

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Beta "none" is the latest

stuck chasm
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then i dont mean 1.4, sorry im just on the newest version right now and the loader doesnt load back in

stuck chasm
novel yew
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Well just. Use scarab again

novel yew
fickle crag
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hey does anyone know a mod in scarab that has invincibility?

abstract badger
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Debug

fickle crag
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i read it only works on 1.4

round glacier
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it was working earlier but now whenever I try to install a mod it just says "an exception occurred"

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help

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plz

real jacinth
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close game. run scarab as admin

round glacier
#

oh

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I'm stupid

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I forgot to do the admin thing

calm sinew
#

How do i put mods on 1.4?

real jacinth
#

why do you want to do that

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just play current patch

novel yew
#

Why would it be on scatab

#

If then

narrow patrol
#

running as administrator gives me an error message in a .txt

novel yew
#

Send it

narrow patrol
#

Sometimes if I try running as admin it just makes a .txt file on my pc probably about the error

abstract badger
narrow patrol
#

I will

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I just have to get it to appear again

real jacinth
#

get what to appear

#

upload the txt file here

#

the txt file doesn't disappear

narrow patrol
#

I delete them usually

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Because I get multiple

real jacinth
#

that doesn't sound right

#

it produces 1

abstract badger
#

Go to your Recycling bin then

narrow patrol
#

It’s because I try running as admin multiple times

#

It’s normal

novel yew
#

Just please send the file

narrow patrol
#

Ah some of them appeared

#

lemme open discord

#

I’m on mobile rn

novel yew
#

Is scarab in the same folder

abstract badger
#

Is scarab with the files it originally came with?

abstract badger
#

Send a picture of your scarab folder with the path

narrow patrol
#

The path goes to Xbox hollow knight’s “content”

novel yew
#

Send a picture

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Please

abstract badger
#

The path as in the folders location

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Not where it points to

narrow patrol
real jacinth
#

example

#

you didn't unzip your scarab

novel yew
#

._.

real jacinth
#

trying to run a program while it's still in the packaging

abstract badger
narrow patrol
#

Unzipped

#

I can run as admin now

#

And it opens

#

It worked!

#

Ty

alpine cliff
#

how do you extract it?

fringe creek
#

right click extract all

steep shoal
#

how does custompantheon work

violet sage
#

How do I find ModLog.txt

novel bronze
#

?saves

dense shuttleBOT
#

Saves


Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
azure pendant
#

how do I download an API and what API should I use?

real jacinth
#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
humble reef
#

Does anyone knows why this happens?

azure pendant
#

does anyone know how to download and api?

#

nvm

#

fireb0rn exists

real jacinth
steep shoal
#

how do i custompantheon sobeline

novel bronze
#

?tag savefiles

dense shuttleBOT
#

Save Files
The save files for Hollow Knight are shared between all installs of the game, and are easily interacted with.

🔹 What do the save files looks like?

  • Hollow Knight save files are in the form of user#.dat, where # is the save slot for the file..
  • You can take a file named user3.dat and rename it to user1.dat to set it to your first save slot.
  • You can keep a copy of all of your save files by copy and pasting them into a different folder on your computer.

🔹 Reverting Backup files

  • You have save file backups that are called user#.dat.bak#, where the first # is the save slot, and the second # is the backup number. Typically speaking, you will have your last three backups.
  • You can set a backup to be the real file by deleting the main file, and then removing the .bak# part of the backup file.

🔹 Modded save files

  • If you are using mods, a modded save may also have a user#.modded.json (and similarly named backup). Both this file and the user#.dat are part of the save.

🔹 Where are the files?

  • On windows, the default path for Save Files is %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • For other operating systems, type ?saves into chat.

🔹 I need a specific type of save file

🔹 Editing save files
You can edit various values of save files. Below are different available methods.

  • Website: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/
  • QoL mod: If you open a save file with QoL installed, you'll have an extra save file called user#.json, which can be edited using Notepad or a similar text editor.
  • MoreSaves mod: With the MoreSaves mod installed, you can edit save files from the Main Menu.
  • DebugMod: While not an intended purpose, you can edit some parts of your save file using Debug, such as Nail Damage, and those changes will remain even after uninstalling the mod.
novel bronze
#

Don’t mind me just testing

novel yew
#

Wait

#

?tags

dense shuttleBOT
#
Tags (15)

spoilers, saves, savefiles, reset, pirate, pins, noping, modlog, info, i, hp, error, enemyrando, ck, anyrad

novel yew
#

Huh thats very useful

novel bronze
#

The latest mod installer is supposedly outdated, unless I clicked on the wrong link (in pins). Tried using it anyway and it was broken. I can't change charms or move through the inventory or journal. Can't interact with anything either

pliant lantern
#

Sounds like you clicked the wrong link, yes

novel yew
#

The latest installer is scarab

pliant lantern
#

If you're new to modding, then consider following along with the tutorial video

novel bronze
#

it was scarab, in pins

novel yew
#

Then it isnt outdate-

novel bronze
novel yew
#

Yeah wrong version

#

Wait no

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Its the latest one

novel bronze
#

Oh, I uninstalled and reinstalled it and it didn't tell me it was outdated, also looks different

#

Ok, found the issue and resolved it. Had nothing to do with Scarab. For some reason I had an old randomizer in my mods folder and it was messing with my game. Everything works now

novel yew
#

Huh

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Well nice you got it resolved

gloomy coral
abstract badger
novel bronze
#

well this is bad

abstract badger
#

?tag error

dense shuttleBOT
#

How to fix Installer Errors
🔹 Make sure Hollow Knight is CLOSED.
🔹 Make sure that the installer has been Extracted from the .zip and that the new folder isn't in your Downloads folder.
🔹 Right-click the installer file, and select "Run as Administrator".

full jolt
#

silly question, but how do you enable wayward compass with map mod S

wispy needle
#

Is Hollow Point incompatible with Transcendence?

thin shuttle
#

how i put mods on cracked hollow knight

fringe creek
#

you don't

#

buy the game

thin shuttle
#

i have it in ps4 119% but i want to play in pc with sikins and i dont want to pass it again

fringe creek
#

mods are not supported on pirated copies. It's 50% off right now, if you really want mods, buy it again.

thin shuttle
#

ok thanks

abstract badger
abstract badger
#

?tag ck

dense shuttleBOT
abstract badger
#

Ignore me

past mirage
#

Sup, how do i prevent randomizer from making charms cost more than like 3 notches?

#

im assuming "cost randomization charm cost" refers to salubra?

warm roost
#

You can look at the settings located at More randomizer settings -> Miscellaneous (from the main randomization menu that you have when you create a new randomized file), here you can change how many notches the charms will cost in total. I don't know if there's a way to specify a maximum value per charm

pliant lantern
novel bronze
#

guys custom knight mod doesnt work i tried to do everything but the knight and hud dont change only geos. can someone help me?

brazen halo
#

I'm not using mods (Although I intend to) but I was directed here in hopes of better technical help. I'm having a problem where the game freezes my PC whenever I try to play it. (Sometimes right after launch, sometimes after selecting a save) I've tried reinstalling and verifying the game files multiple times, but nothing has worked. (Also, in case it's the issue my PC specs are a GT 730, an i5-2400, and 16GB RAM)

novel bronze
#

have you seen how much cpu/ram/gpu it uses when trying to boot up the game?

novel bronze
#

a lot of what

brazen halo
#

A lot of the CPU/GPU gets used up, especially the GPU, my RAM is fine though

novel bronze
#

in my experience the GPU is what's used up the most for me as well, ram not so much and the cpu does get fired up a bit on startup

#

that's likely the issue, maybe your cpu is getting overloaded when trying to boot up the game

fresh nymph
#

My Toggle API button in Scarab is disabled, does anyone have a reason as for why that is?

novel bronze
#

that feature has always been iffy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

pliant lantern
#

Because I know this is going to come up today:

#

HKMP Public Servers Update

The all-purpose public servers now REQUIRE HkmpPouch

This is to begin allowing some other addons to be usable on them.
At the time of this post, the optional addons are "GhostHunters" and "EmoteWheel". Other addons are still not compatible.

fresh nymph
novel bronze
#

verify file integrity on steam

fresh nymph
#

Ok, thanks

turbid vigil
#

hey so does anyone know how to get to a different save in hk? i f'ed up so i need to kinda go back in time like 5 minutes

rotund lotus
#

wdym by getting to a different save

turbid vigil
#

like everytime u sit on a bench the game saves, an ik the last like 20 saves get saved

rotund lotus
#

oh

turbid vigil
#

i did it one time but i dont remember how to do it

#

please someone help its in my 112% run and i did something that makes it so i cannot get some of the percents

jolly goblet
#

What did you do? Aside from a few very specific scenarios you wouldn’t do by accident, it’s not possible to lock yourself out of 112

rotund lotus
#

^

graceful whale
turbid vigil
robust horizon
#

how do i know my version of scarab

novel bronze
#

as long as you get the one in releases you'll most likely have the most recent one

undone shell
#

Is there a good place to go for community deco mod maps? Like the Impossible Any% type ones except less intense. I’d like to work my way up to that level of craziness, especially since the Impossible Any% relied on some drop glitches from what I could tell

latent gorge
#

i need halp with modding mac :/

warm roost
#

Well, explain your problem

#

and don't forget to check if the pins have the solution to your problem

wise raven
#

uhm hi which version of hollow knight should i download for the scarab?

warm roost
novel bronze
#

1.5.78.11833

wise raven
#

is it public beta version ?

novel bronze
#

No

#

Set the betas to none

wise raven
#

okay

#

thank you

jovial gate
#

any idea what could be causing Failed to connect: Invalid addons in hkmp?

analog thicket
#

I'm trying to use the hkmp, is there a certain port i should put in?

abstract badger
analog thicket
#

Ok, thank you!

#

Wonderfully, it's not letting my friend connect, saying that the connection failed

pliant lantern
forest vault
#

When i try to use scarab and start the game (with only debug mod) it doesnt load. It onl y does a unity load screen until a certain point then it crashes. please help.

forest vault
#

gog

novel yew
#

Go to gog galaxy

#

And check the versiom

#

If ypu could send a screenshot of it

forest vault
#

i dont use gog galaxy

#

i just use gog

#

download

real jacinth
#

Then screenshot your gog library

novel yew
#

^^

forest vault
#

k

novel yew
#

So...

#

They left the server

#

One way to admit piracy

regal lynx
#

I heard that there are challenge type things to get certain skins that you can do, the video I saw it from is very old though, does anyone know if that still happens?

pliant lantern
#

There are currently no challenges, afaik

regal lynx
#

Oh ok, well thanks anyway

pliant lantern
#

The White Palace (TWP) disbanded, and they were the main group that did them.

There was recently a person on billibilli that was offering a beta version skin that they're making if someone did a really convoluted challenge, but iirc they ended up deciding that they didn't want to to do that

regal lynx
#

Ah, that’s unfortunate

alpine cliff
#

can someone help me set up scarab? cant seem to unzip

#

my file isnt zipped though

#

oop did it

#

but i cant seem to launch it?

abstract badger
#

Are you on Mac

alpine cliff
#

nope

#

windows

#

i downloaded it, unzipped it, then renamed the zipped file to Scarab. When i try launching it nothin happens

pliant lantern
#

Did you follow along with the pinned tutorial vid?

weary thicket
#

I have a glitch where I'm healing really fast for like no soul cost I looked it up it said it could be from the hollow point mod which I have installed and deleted but there is no hollowpointfix mod what do I do?

novel yew
#

.

weary thicket
#

anyone?

real jacinth
#

You were literally answered

novel yew
#

Lol

abstract badger
glossy sentinel
#

How GhostHunter works? i tried use then on pantheons with a friends but we cant see each other enemies

fading finch
#

Helloooo I'm trying to set up HKMP skins, all the skin files that others have are unzipped and in the HKMP skins folder, and I did it all while the game was closed, but they all have my skin. What is going on lolll

bold pelican
#

I tried installing Scarab and now HK crashes as soon as I start it

#

please help

#

I'm just trying to play with my friends

#

I uninstalled literally everything and it's still crashing

#

including the game

#

total reinstall

novel yew
pliant lantern
#

So like, Install it and launch the game, then close the game, then launch the game again

bold pelican
novel yew
#

Wich beta you om

bold pelican
#

beta?

pliant lantern
#

And post a screenshot

bold pelican
#

I'm not gonna worry about mods anymore

#

I restarted and the game works again

#

I'm not risking it anymore

#

thanks tho

#

friends ran it fine on latest version tho

modest quest
#

what verison is your hk

bold pelican
#

latest one

modest quest
#

check on the title screen

bold pelican
#

1.5.78.11833

modest quest
#

hm yeah that's right

#

not sure why scarab wouldn't work then

bold pelican
#

idk if scarab was the issue

#

like i said, vanilla hk was crashing after i uninstalled all mods, disabled scarab, and did a whole fresh install

#

it's suddenly working again after a restart but I don't want to risk that happening again

#

idk what caused it in the first place but we were trying to do multiplayer mod

#

nobody else had the issue

simple ridge
#

Where is the Jotaro skin? Im new on this and i don't know where is it 😿

covert pumice
#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
novel bronze
#

it's not in pins zote

covert pumice
#

It is

novel bronze
#

oh wait, i thought you meant the jotaro skin

covert pumice
#

It should be in the collete mslp list and iirc that's pinned

covert pumice
novel bronze
#

aight got it

#

weird, i swore i saw someone using it a few weeks ago

loud forge
#

hello am new and am trying to mod hollow knight on mac so if you guys please help me out i would be really greatfull

novel bronze
#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
loud forge
#

is it the scarab installer?

novel bronze
#

yep!

loud forge
#

ok thak you!

#

thank*

novel bronze
novel bronze
#

yeah i havent downloaded hollowpoint in months

#

and idk what youre talking about, the website

#

what other mods do you even have on/had on in the past

#

and i dont really remember what i had in the past, i dont change my mods much except to try things

#

hmm, that is odd i don't recall that happening to many people tbh

novel bronze
#

@pliant lantern might know though (sorry for the random ping :P)

silent igloo
#

help i installed scarab and the mods but hollow knight says this

novel yew
#

I could swear there was a pinned solution for this

covert pumice
#

Are you running on current patcu

novel bronze
#

yeah, otherwise it would say [1.4.3.2] in the steam thing

pliant lantern
# silent igloo help i installed scarab and the mods but hollow knight says this

32-bit users should use the 1.4.3.2 version You can install our last 32-bit compatible version by right-clicking Hollow Knight in your Steam library, click Properties, Betas, and select 1.4.3.2. OS Error 4294956470 Running the follow command in a Terminal should fix this (assumes the default Steam library location): /System/Library/Frameworks/Co...

pliant lantern
silent igloo
#

Aw man, and i wanted to try the latest rando😔

pliant lantern
#

You can?

#

I just linked you the info on fixing it

whole ore
#

Why does virustotal tell me scarab is a Virus with the words Discord in it.

novel bronze
#

a lot of antiviruses do that, it's a false alarm

#

scarab is 100% safe for you to use

shell brook
#

I've been trying to use HKMP to play with a friend, using Hamachi, and it keeps giving a "connection timed out" error upon trying to connect. Our mods are synced, Hamachi's working fine, we're inputting the same ports and she's putting in the right IP (I'm hosting). I'm not sure what the issue could be, does anyone have any advice?

novel bronze
#

you need to have hkmp pouch

shell brook
#

We both have that

pliant lantern
#

You only need Pouch for the Public servers, fwiw

#

For private servers you just need whatever you're setup requires

#

Also, did you both check the FAQ section of the guide, and both run the diagnosis tool with Hamachi?

#

99% of the time, the issue is shown with that

shell brook
#

Yeah, we've been troubleshooting for about an hour and a half and nothing's worked

#

Double- and triple-checked the issues FAQ and hosting instructions

pliant lantern
#

If you want,

  • Both players close the game, open it again and try to connect again.
  • If it doesn't work, then both players post their ModLog.txt here.
  • The Host player will need to post a screenshot of their Hamachi
#

?tag modlog

dense shuttleBOT
#

ModLog
"ModLog.txt" can be found in the same folder as your save files (you can drag and drop the file into discord) :
Windows: %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
MacOS: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Linux: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
......................................................

To easily get ModLog on Windows:

  • Press + R
  • Copy and paste this into it %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight and hit "OK"
  • ModLog.txt is in this folder.

Note: is the Windows button, in between Ctrl and Alt on your keyboard

shell brook
#

Alright. Checking those files will have to be tomorrow, so I'll get back when I'm able to do that if I can't figure out the issue from there. Thanks for taking the time to respond

novel bronze
#

good night

shell brook
#

Thanks! You too, whenever you sleep in your time zone lol

uneven cobalt
#

i cant download skin mod can someone tell me how

fair ibex
#

there’s a video guide in the pins

uneven cobalt
proud lake
#

for some reason, some rooms in the game, as soon as i enter them, the screen just goes black and i cant do anything, i cant even leave the game. i can still hear sound effects and background music, but it seems there is nothing i can do.

kindred lily
#

Hey

proud lake
kindred lily
#

I just want to know how can i see the randomizer checks on the map

proud lake
#

idk im experiencing my own problems rn

kindred lily
#

Ok Thanks

proud lake
#

i found a solution to my bug

#

turns out i didnt have enough space on my main hard drive

#

if i kept doing that i mightve corrupted my save so lucky i found the source of my problems

novel bronze
#

where do i drag my custom spell skins folder?

south yew
#

how do i add skins to hatchling

covert valve
#

if you have the files just put them into the swapper

shadow lark
#

hi the sprites of the skins are not sticking

pliant lantern
#

?tag reset

dense shuttleBOT
shadow lark
#

fixed it thanks alot

unique copper
#

what does this mean?

covert valve
# unique copper what does this mean?

Hollow knight Crashes upon opening, after installing a mod
This glitch can happen for a number of reasons make sure that all the reasons listed listed below don't apply to you.

🔹 Your game patch doesn't match the installer you used.

  • Scarab is made for patch 1.5.78+
  • Modinstaller 1 & 2 are made for version 1.4.3.2
  • there aren't installers for other patches.

🔹 Something didn't install correctly

  • Ensure that the installer is not still in a .zip file, and that it's not in your Downloads folder.
  • Run the installer as Administrator

hollowpirate Your game is pirated / illegitimate.
Piracy is not supported in most communities for games. Mods are not considered compatible with pirated copies, and you will not get troubleshooting support in any of the main servers for them.

HK Modding is only supported on the official versions from Steam, GoG, or the Microsoft Store.
Hollow Knight goes on sale regularly, and you can keep an eye on this website for when it is:
https://isthereanydeal.com/game/hollowknight/

unique copper
#

how do i see what patch my game is on?

stray furnace
#

where do i download the mod installer

stray furnace
#

thanks

warm roost
unique copper
#

thanks i was just on the wrong patch

crystal spire
#

Hello, I am very new to modding and I wanted to try a Grass % run with the mod "Grassy Knight". But, I can't find it in the Scarab Mod Installer. Could someone please help me with this issue?

abstract badger
#

Grassy knight isn’t on 1.5

crystal spire
#

Oh

#

How do I fix that?

abstract badger
#

You downpatch to 1.4

crystal spire
#

All right! Thank you!

unique veldt
#

for some reason my game wont start when i have mods

#

could anyone help

covert valve
unique veldt
#

yeah

#

unity opens for a second on taskbar and closes

unique veldt
#

?

covert valve
#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
river sparrow
#

is ther any cuphead mods

covert valve
river sparrow
#

what

#

i want a mod that makes the game easier

covert valve
sterile ember
#

SO Scarab, Or should I say CustumKnight worked fora long time but now It doesn't. Could I get help ?

sterile ember
#

Sure !

#

so.

#

I just loaded in the game

#

and...My skins do not work. I keep choosing but I keep having the basic knight

#

so I checked scarab

#

and when I toggle custom knight on/off , it tell me ...

#

an error occured

#

I mean

#

I can show you on a stream :/

#

but from now It does not work

#

:/

fair marsh
#

hi, i'm in the process of making a skin and i've packed it multiple times before and it worked just fine, but now it just crashes with no error or anything when i press pack

fringe creek
#

Are you Custom Knight Creator or spritepacker?

whole ore
#

Do I just need the scarab installer from pins to get the randomizer?

novel bronze
#

Yes

uneven hound
#

How do I mod HK?

novel bronze
#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
fair marsh
fringe creek
#

custom knight creator is buggy and doesn't pack all the sprite sheets (like shade and any bosses)
If you're trying to pack those, you need to use spritepacker

fair marsh
#

ah i see, thanks

dusty minnow
#

Hey is there a way to play Hollow Knight multiplayer without using hamachi?

covert valve
#
  1. run as admin
#
  1. reset globalsettings guide ca be found in hollowpins
sterile ember
warm roost
#

Reset globalstettings, guide can be found in hollowpins

covert valve
dry cosmos
#

can u mod hk on mac

warm roost
#

yes

dry cosmos
#

ok good

half nest
#

mod installer 1.4.2 pls

covert valve
dense shuttleBOT
uneven hound
#

I downloaded scarab and activated and installed the Moda I wanted but now hollow knight keeps crashing what should I do

#

*mods

uneven hound
#

What does that mean?

jolly goblet
#

It means check the pins

#

?pins

dense shuttleBOT
uneven hound
#

I'm on a. Phone

jolly goblet
#

Swipe left

uneven hound
#

Oh cool thanks

south yew
novel bronze
#

you can just remake the folder

south yew
#

so just make a new folder called swapper?

novel bronze
#

what did you even do

south yew
novel bronze
#

the one in the skin folder?

south yew
#

ye

novel bronze
#

was there anything i nthere

#

if not you can just remake the folder

south yew
#

alr

#

then put the skin into it?

novel bronze
#

?tag ck

dense shuttleBOT
novel bronze
#

the file path should look like this

south yew
#

alr

#

so it should be a photo?

#

alr ima check if it works

#

aint work

novel bronze
#

send a photo

#

of your file path

subtle anvil
#

uh im playing hollow point and the gun doesnt do anything it flashes but it seems like there is no hitbox

#

also it looks like a shotgun not an ak

#

also how do you heal?

fringe creek
#

hollow point doesn't work on new saves. close it and reload the save.
read the read me. It explains how spells and healing work.

subtle anvil
#

for some reason half of the readmes just close when i open them

clear fox
#

guys

#

how do i add custom enemy skins to hollow knight?

#

alright

outer berry
#

hi

clear fox
#

so uh

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basically

outer berry
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custom enemy skins?

clear fox
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yez

alpine cliff
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e

outer berry
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um

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idk if thats even possible

alpine cliff
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i think theres a tutorial

alpine cliff
clear fox
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my friend uses it

alpine cliff
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i have my own custom grub aspid skin

clear fox
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wait wat

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xd

alpine cliff
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to show how much i hate grubs and aspids

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i can murder both at the same time!!

outer berry
alpine cliff
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no aspid got grubbified

outer berry
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also you technically dont kill grubs

clear fox
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tbh you should make a custom skin for primal aspids

outer berry
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oh

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still

clear fox
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to show how much you hate them

outer berry
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make them mini radiances

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lol

alpine cliff
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sure

clear fox
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XD

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ey

alpine cliff
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ill get radiance texture

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and shrink it

clear fox
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send me the sprites of mini radiances when youre done

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xd

clear fox
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ok now seriusly

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how do i customize the appareance of the bosses and enemies?

outer berry
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idk

clear fox
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thank you

outer berry
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no problem - HBKit

drowsy kraken
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do the official servers not allow mods anymore?

south yew
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how do i add skins to glowing womb hatchlings

abstract badger
abstract badger
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There is modding channels for a reason

drowsy kraken
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sorry the dwarfroot multiplayer servers

abstract badger
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Good question

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proceeds to type in English garmond

south yew
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uhh

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i think i broke the skins

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it aint work when i choose them

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it just goes to default

graceful whale
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Or well
Install from Scarab

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It should fix the issue

south yew
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i did install from scarab

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im trying to put on hive knight

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but its the default

graceful whale
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Did asymmetric knight not work?
Hmm
I'm no mod master so you'll have to wait for someone else to help you

south yew
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can you give me an install link

graceful whale
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Asymmetric knight is available on Scarab
Just search it in the search bar

abstract badger
graceful whale
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Hello Hotspring Suspicious

abstract badger
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No more asymmetric knight recommendationsgarmond

graceful whale
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IT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT FIXED CUSTOM KNIGHT FOR ME OK

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Let me have my moment

south yew
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i installed it

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hopefully

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it works

graceful whale
south yew
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?

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i just said hopefully it works

graceful whale
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o

abstract badger
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shakra simpler solution hit the button fix skins and then apply a skin

south yew
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IT HELPED

graceful whale
south yew
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then crashes my game

abstract badger
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Huh

south yew
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'yes'

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it crashes my game

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time to give radiance some holes with my gun

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.

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my first problem wasnt solve

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my glowing womb

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hatchlings

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have no skin

abstract badger
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I gave the answer tamershrug

south yew
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i did that

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and guess what3

abstract badger
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Put a hatchling in the folder with a knight png

south yew
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THATS WHAT BROKE MY SKINS

abstract badger
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Send me a screenshot of the folder with the sprites visible and with the path included

south yew
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ok

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oh crap

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the folder is empty

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so uh

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what do i do

abstract badger
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What is it missing

south yew
next bay
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just redownload the skin

abstract badger
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Did the skin work in game but the sprites are gone now?

south yew
south yew
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so like

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i get those pngs

abstract badger
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Then what did asymmetric knight solvepalehmm

south yew
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then im good?

south yew
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except swapper

abstract badger
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Just redownload the skin ig

abstract badger
south yew
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i am so confused

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so i just grab the hatchling skin and place it there

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???

abstract badger
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Place the hatchling skin in the skin folder like I said

south yew
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which folder

abstract badger
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The folder that has the skin you want

south yew
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wait what

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why am i being an idiot

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this is probably simple stuff

abstract badger
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Put the hatchling png in the folder that has the pngs of the skin

south yew
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OHHHHHHH

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alr

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lemme check if it works

south yew
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AINT WORK

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STILL JUST NORMAL KNIGHT THINGS

fringe creek
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screenshot the folder with the skin files, with the path visible

fringe creek
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the part that says program files > steam > steam apps etc

abstract badger
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The file directory at the top

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Not snailbeastcry

novel yew
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You

abstract badger
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I had a picture

south yew
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is this is it?

abstract badger
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No there is no path included in that screenshot carmelyikes

south yew
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wait

fringe creek
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also the hatchling file is named incorrectly

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which is why it doesn't work

south yew
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what is a path again

south yew
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how the heck it is supposed to be named then

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why do i feel like an idiot here

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is this simple knowledge??

abstract badger
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Name it Hatchling

south yew
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ok

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so hatchling.png

fringe creek
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yes

south yew
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alr

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if it doesnt work

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then you name yourself chocolate for 10 days

abstract badger
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Then you need to send a screenshot of what we asked

south yew
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IT WORKS

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EZ
EZ
E
Z

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e

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ze

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i aint need anyones help

abstract badger
fringe creek
south yew
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Like bro I’m such a genius

abstract badger
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K bye 😘

south yew
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Get better

fringe creek
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noted, you can figure out any future problems you'll ever have again.

south yew
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Get on my level

fringe creek
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on your own