hk-help

[supple mountain]

yep

[errant vault]

It just

Goes through

,||spoiler||

[errant vault]

|| spoiler ||

It ends up a spoiler for me

[supple mountain]

that was a screenshot....

[errant vault]

How do u make it where the lines stay

[supple mountain]

you dont

[gilded crypt]

/||spoiler||

[errant vault]

But they did it

Earlier

[supple mountain]

idk bruh

anyway what was the point

whas happening

[errant vault]

Why is ||cyclone slash|| so underused

[austere grotto]

How do I get in the ||Dream?||

[supple mountain]

i use it

people just forget about it

[gilded crypt]

||spoiler||

[errant vault]

Awaken

[gilded crypt]

I got it

[errant vault]

Oh

[supple mountain]

you need ||1800 esscence|| and talk to the ||seer||

[austere grotto]

?

Oh

[jolly oriole]

||1800 essence, you need awakened dreamnail||

[errant vault]

Its a major spoiler

[austere grotto]

I see

[gilded crypt]

just put `` on each sie

[errant vault]

Ik

[austere grotto]

I’ll get more ||Essence||

[errant vault]

||spoil||

Cool

[austere grotto]

Just give me 3 million years

[supple mountain]

||spoil||

its blue now

[gilded crypt]

try fighting the ||dream bosses||

[austere grotto]

Like ||Markoth?||

[gilded crypt]

no, that's a ||dream warrior||

[austere grotto]

Oh, I see

[gilded crypt]

if you notice, there's ||some bosses that still got the corpse/are still there even after the bossfight||

try going back to them

wait lemme try something

||spoiler||

oooh

[supple mountain]

howdya do that

[gilded crypt]

\

before the spoiler thing

[errant vault]

||spoiler||

W

[gilded crypt]

\||spoiler||

like that

[lucid tendon]

Is mark of purity a mod charm

Can I get mark of purity?

[light totem]

Its a modded charm from pale court

[lucid tendon]

💔

[leaden bronze]

What does it do

[trail pewter]

i need help with something

[shut sparrow]

just ask

[tired night]

Ohh

[daring moat]

[vague fern]

wtf fiablo in hkhelp

[fresh wedge]

How to beat ||Sly|| ?

In ||radiant||

[vague fern]

|| use qslash strength shaman sbody/nmg mop

you keep a distance, and then punish each attack and remake the distance. For example, if he does the triple slash combo then just dash under the spin, hit 2 times / great slash and then distance again and repeat

In phase 2, stay in the middle, and when he comes to you then dash away and great slash, shade soul, or hit with mop ||

other attacks in phase 1 are || cyclone -> you want to pogo it and dash away / ddark
Great slash -> just dash away
Dash slash -> jump over and hit 2 times / great slash ||

Very patient fight

[hollow bramble]

practice him

[fresh wedge]

Thanks! That's so detailed! I think I find it most difficult when I get cornered or how to keeep myself out of such a situation

[vague fern]

in phase 1, you would only really be getting cornered by the 3 hit combo (atleast in my experience). if that happens, you just gotta get creative, typically either || wall climbing and dashing over his head during the second hit, or shade dashing through as he starts to spin|| (i prefer the former)

in phase 2, you shouldnt be getting cornered: after each punish just make sure you recenter immediately

i mean you can get cornered by || cyclone attack|| but the punish you do doesnt change (pogoing him)

[fresh wedge]

Thanks heaps! Very helpful tips!

[tranquil oyster]

hi lune

[shut sparrow]

hi lune

[vague fern]

hi end

[vague fern]

gng we JUST spoke

[tranquil oyster]

can i have some general ||pv tips||

[vague fern]

sliming you out on the 15th

[shut sparrow]

me too

[tranquil oyster]

whats happening on the 15th

[vague fern]

||n||onsenf on the 16th

[vague fern]

you die

[tranquil oyster]

other than that

[vague fern]

uh i think thats it

[tranquil oyster]

ahk

at least let me clear 2.0 first

[shut sparrow]

what's happening on the 16th?

[vague fern]

you get slimed out

[shut sparrow]

what

potion of oozing?

[vague fern]

..

i dont get paid enough for this

[tranquil oyster]

what

[vague fern]

[tranquil oyster]

lune please i need ||general pv tips||

[vague fern]

bro i reinstalled yesterday and played some || pv ||

this is spiking my cortisol

[tranquil oyster]

lol

[vague fern]

dont fire emoji me it is NOT a good thing

[tranquil oyster]

it IS

anw hru

[vague fern]

i got the job

[tranquil oyster]

W (what job?)

[vague fern]

uh i cant really say without fully doxxing my exact address

[tranquil oyster]

ahk nw

[vague fern]

but i know multiple people who work there, pays good and its fun asl

[tranquil oyster]

can you say what kind of job

[vague fern]

let me just google it and see how niche it is

[tranquil oyster]

like customer service or its just really specific/niche

[vague fern]

dms

[tranquil oyster]

ok

[shut sparrow]

is it cashier?

[vague fern]

[shut sparrow]

mb.. did I doxx?

[vague fern]

[torpid whale]

Hello everyone, I recently encountered a problem in HK related to keystrokes. It happens quite often that my clicks are either late, fail, or take longer than expected (a long jump instead of a short one).
Switching the V-Sync setting does not work, as well as changing graphics settings, whether it is the number and quality of particles or resolution. Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

[opaque moat]

what's ur latest ability

[torpid whale]

What's the "ability"?

[opaque moat]

can u show me ur inventory

[glad kraken]

is it a must to fight ||NMG||

[languid radish]

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[honest junco]

i think you're mispelling that, who are you talking about?

[glad kraken]

||nightmare king grim short||

he is so pain

[honest junco]

oh so you mean ||NKG||

not necessarily

[glad kraken]

||he deal 2 damage man||

[honest junco]

he counts as a %, but so does the other option that ||brumm ||was talking about

[glad kraken]

i see

||but to beat p5 u need to fight it or no||

[honest junco]

yeah he's in ||p5 ||either way

[glad kraken]

||but if i beat him now at least in p5 cn know how yo fight him||

[opaque moat]

oh ur already done

[honest junco]

thats true

[glad kraken]

||ah but p5 is hard just normal grim take me 10 try||

[sly ravine]

how do i deal with that ||soul tyrant|| attack where he spawns 6 orbs and moves from one side to another

[honest junco]

you'll even have him unlocked in ||hog ||so its great for practicing him for ||p5||

[vague fern]

Optimally or just to dodge it

[sly ravine]

just dodge

[glad kraken]

||my issue with normal grim is his spike form attack||

[sly ravine]

im trying to ||radiant|| all bosses

[opaque moat]

i think ur issue is mostly with the ||dash||, it's just built that way. u can't do another action with it, u must wait for a few moments

[vague fern]

an easy way is to just simply || shade dash through an orb when hes halfway and then jump -> 180 -> shade soul or just heal ||

[opaque moat]

for the jump it just can be a bit sensitive, happens to me too. it's also built that way

[vague fern]

You can add upslashes while jumping over it if you want but depends how confident you are

[ornate vortex]

can i stall ||failed knight||?

[vague fern]

And optimally you just || upslash dash upslash dash upslash shriek ||

[vague fern]

Stall as in?

[ornate vortex]

like

when u knock them down

idk but i hear ppl doing stuff will stall it

[opaque moat]

keep them in stagger?

[ornate vortex]

yeah that

[honest junco]

he will eventually get back up no matter what

[opaque moat]

yes u can

[honest junco]

but hitting him one or two times gives you more time

to like ||heal or dn||

[opaque moat]

but it won't kill him

[vague fern]

Hitting the armor resets stagger duration

infinitely

[opaque moat]

just helps gain time to heal and stuff

[honest junco]

wait fr?

[vague fern]

Yes

[honest junco]

this never worked for me

[vague fern]

you can || hit armor -> dnail/heal || infinitely

[honest junco]

thats so broken lol

[vague fern]

and then on wakeup you just || triple shriek ||

Free boss if you do that

[honest junco]

i wish i knew this like 3 years ago

[ornate vortex]

so like

how do i do it

[opaque moat]

hit the armor, not the face

[honest junco]

ooooooooooh

just the armor

never tried that

[vague fern]

|| hit armor -> dnail or heal -> hit armor -> dnail or heal ||

For as long as you want

[opaque moat]

i randomly discovered it by watching someone's stream over here

[ornate vortex]

that's lowkey tuff

[sly ravine]

what about ||soul tyrant phase 2 orb barrage||

[ornate vortex]

but like can i just win tho?

or will he get up

[vague fern]

huh?

Oh

When you have full hp and soul just hit his head to end the stagger

[opaque moat]

no

that hit doesn't reduce his hp

it's always 3 staggers

[vague fern]

technically...

[ornate vortex]

u mean ||dream nail? or u mean pogo?||

[opaque moat]

||dream||

[vague fern]

|| dream nail ||

you can get full hp and soul on every stagger

makes the fight negligible

[opaque moat]

unless its ||ab||

[vague fern]

then its just || shriek -> cyclone fest ||

[ornate vortex]

so

[opaque moat]

it just makes the fight so stressful

especially being at the end of ||p5||

[ornate vortex]

what's the method to beat ||dream|| version

[opaque moat]

||move towards him when he jumps towards u, if he retreats don't chase||

[ornate vortex]

cuz the 2 hit some fuckin bs

[vague fern]

I mean

Depending on charms and items, you only have to dodge until first stagger

Then never again

[ornate vortex]

these rocks are paid actors holy fuck

[vague fern]

Stay close to him

Then he'll block most of them

[fickle geyser]

i got ||dark heart|| but i have like 9 charm slots do i go fight ||the sun||

[fickle geyser]

aka ||radiance||

[opaque moat]

yes it's fine

[vague fern]

You can

[fickle geyser]

oh and also ||+2 nail||

[vague fern]

just get more if its too hard

Theres no like set restriction

[opaque moat]

the ||sun|| is actually quite cute

[fickle geyser]

130 hits bro 😭

[opaque moat]

u have ||spells||

[ornate vortex]

that's so fuckin hard

it's some bull

[opaque moat]

uk u can hut them right?

[fickle geyser]

how bad is this for ||the sun||

[ornate vortex]

what are u even trying to tell me💔🎋

[opaque moat]

too good

[opaque moat]

u can block them from hitting u by hitting them first

[fickle geyser]

what am i about to fight ||the sun|| (i'll die the first minute)

[ornate vortex]

u mean parry?

also

[fickle geyser]

prolly not

idk

[ornate vortex]

am i not allowed to use ||spells|| for knock down

nvm i guess i just didn't allow him to die😭

[fickle geyser]

WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE ||RADIANCE|| ATTACK DEAL 2 DMG

yeah no im not ready for ts

how do i make ||leg eater|| sell ||Unbreakable charms||

[stoic cedar]

||leg eater doesnt sell unbreakable charms, only fragile ones||

[untold meteor]

is this a good build for ||galien||

[dense panther]

||change compass and soul eater for shaman stone or change long nail and compass for shaman stone||

[untold meteor]

how to beat this ||galien|| guy omdddsss

[shut sparrow]

make sure you use a lot of ||spells||. Also you might be trying it a bit too early. There's no shame in exploring elsewhere first and coming back to this fight later in your playthrough

[kindred fulcrum]

How do I spoiler mark

[fringe mortar]

Hes annoying. I found that ||using upward spell on him didnt really work for me. I used nail only||

[fringe mortar]

|| before and after your texts

[kindred fulcrum]

Thanks

Can I turn off spoiler marks so I don’t have to click on every single msg

[fringe mortar]

No its necessary for this chat

[kindred fulcrum]

Ok

[fringe mortar]

You cant turn it off

[kindred fulcrum]

K thanks

||test||

[serene dune]

"Bad is this" nof bad in the slightest, not the best, sure, but by no means bad

[kindred fulcrum]

||How do I get past grey prince zote in p5||

My build at that point is ||strength, quick slash, shaman and unbreakable heart||

[fickle geyser]

why is there a suspiciously large gap like there would be a place for a location here

[fringe mortar]

Lollll

[ornate vortex]

how tf do i beat ||soul tyrant||

[fringe mortar]

Dodge

[fickle geyser]

how do i get this ||breakable wall||

[fringe mortar]

I mean. ||be patient with him. Let the dude come to you||

[fringe mortar]

From the other side

[fickle geyser]

how do i get on the other side.

[fringe mortar]

I dont know where you are. Can you send ur location

[fringe mortar]

Gimme a minute I forgot what that is supposed to be

[fickle geyser]

kk

[fringe mortar]

Sorry lemme open my game

[stoic cedar]

||there is a breakable floor nearby that can only be broken through with a certain ability, which leads to a little section that exits through that breakable wall||

[fickle geyser]

"a certain ||ability||" i have all of them dw

[fickle geyser]

nearby is where

[stoic cedar]

||above where the breakable wall is||

[fickle geyser]

k

i have no idea where i just went but ok

[dense panther]

it's okay we all get lost and confused one day

[near forum]

I don't think i have it on my map yet
And I've got 450 hours

Lol

[fickle geyser]

LOL

i have like 40 hours

[dense panther]

you have 450 hours without doing a single||pantheon?||

[near forum]

Yep🤣

[dense panther]

why

[near forum]

Randos and speedruns

[fickle geyser]

do them NOW

[near forum]

||Pantheons are difficult for me to grind
I had more fun learning skips and stuff
But I'll do them one day||

[west slate]

how to get ||grub||?

[near forum]

Ok
I'll finish ||p1|| or ||p1ab|| today

[west slate]

also... i have a pfp!!!

[west slate]

i put a marker next to it

[fickle geyser]

i geniunely have no idea

[west slate]

oh

[torpid reef]

Is this also help with silk song

[dense panther]

ab?

[dense panther]

#sk-help

[dense panther]

||you go in from deepnest from the left of it ||

[near forum]

||I'm getting consistently to the brothers in p1ab||
If i lock in i can prolly do it hitless till them

[dense panther]

so your first attempt is gonna be hitless?

[west slate]

k ty

[near forum]

Noo
I'm not that talented

[west slate]

how about this one?

[near forum]

But I'll try as best as i can

[dense panther]

maybe I should attempt doing a hitless|| p1 lmao||

[dense panther]

look up on YouTube || grub locations in deepnest|| it will help better than we could

[west slate]

ok ty

[vast oak]

i need help with || normal radiance ||

[dense panther]

what attacks re you struggling with?

your build matters aswell

[vast oak]

mlst attacks aren't really a problem its the 2 mask damage and hp going brt

[fickle geyser]

am i doing good

[dense panther]

very good

[fickle geyser]

Second ||PoP|| run btw

[dense panther]

I mean I can't help you with that

[dense panther]

oh second

[vast oak]

y i m never doing that shit

[dense panther]

how long did it take you?

[vast oak]

i suffered with normal wp

[dense panther]

it's actually not bad I'm doing a no hit runs

[vast oak]

my platform and pogo skill are kinda ahh

[dense panther]

valid

[dense panther]

||okay so if you need help with her I can only give you tips on how to dodge or builds so which one do you want?||

[vast oak]

i got carried by || the grub charms and deep focus ||

[vast oak]

both

[dense panther]

they're nice to have

[dense panther]

show your inventory

[vast oak]

i have everything

except 1 mask

[dense panther]

and are all attacks a problem with you?

[vast oak]

the orb attack is really easy

[dense panther]

do you prefer ||spells or nails?||

[vast oak]

nail

[dense panther]

do you know what face dancing is?

[vast oak]

NNo

[dense panther]

||pogo radiance then quickly hit left slash and right slash then pogo again||

you can deal a lot of damage with this trick

[vast oak]

the trick i do is with ||quick nail ||
jump hit couple times and|| double jump ||and hit again

maybe hit an || shriek || if im luck

[night oyster]

how do i get into here? i have the thing that unlocks it i think

[vast oak]

too soon

[night oyster]

so i can't get in?

[vast oak]

very later

ye

[night oyster]

ok thanks

[sharp osprey]

I found ||zote||.

[fervent valve]

|| city crest || does not unlock || tram station ||

When should i attempt || dream bosses || ? I just defeated ||soul master || on normal

[vast oak]

they pretty late game imo

[hard minnow]

I mean you can try if you want, it's not like you're gonna lose anything

[fickle geyser]

||PoP|| makes me want to scream in agony help

[pallid narwhal]

In which room you are now ?

[dense panther]

I mean it's painful way to play the game for sure

[fickle geyser]

the last one i think

[main comet]

Yea that's pretty much the last room

[pallid narwhal]

Yes this the last one where are you struggle in it

[night oyster]

is this spoilers for me, i just beat the ||false knight||, this is my first playthrough

[main comet]

It took me hours in just that room alone. And I had to go eventually to play with a friend, so I had to redo ||PoP||

[short kettle]

All they are saying is that your item doesn't unlock what you're trying to unlock.

[night oyster]

ok

[fickle geyser]

the ||big saw|| where you gotta go under and then pogo off the upper one
I just struggle to get ON it

[fickle geyser]

MY POGO RHYTHM AND THE ||SAW|| ARE DESYNCED

sry for caps

[fringe mortar]

Caps is understandable

[fickle geyser]

was it a mistake for trying to beat ||PoP|| with anger issues 😭

[trim gate]

Maybe yes

I discovered I had anger issues when doing it

[main comet]

What was the property damage like?

[fringe mortar]

What the hell did you guys damage

[fickle geyser]

i hit my table im glad it didnt explode
I mean i learnt from killing a keyboard and making my keyboard's rbg stutter sometimes

[trim gate]

My brain I was so cooked beyond saving that I literally just went outside in the middle of winter to take a breather

So mad beyond the point of physical rage

[fringe mortar]

😭😭😭LMAOOOO

[fickle geyser]

i literally took a chill pill btw

[fringe mortar]

Oh lord

Good lord take a break

[trim gate]

How long did it take

[fickle geyser]

like a minute

[west slate]

hello!

whats happening?

[pallid narwhal]

Hi

[trim gate]

And to complete the path?

[pallid narwhal]

We talk about ||path of pain||

[fickle geyser]

i didnt complete it yet

but like

[west slate]

oh hell no i'm going

lmao

[fickle geyser]

im playing it for like an hour

[trim gate]

Good luck brother

[fickle geyser]

ok why are we having a conversation inside of hk-help

[fringe mortar]

Valid reaction

[trim gate]

First time is a torture

[west slate]

hey so ummm wtf is shaw and git gud?

[trim gate]

||hornet advice mid-game||

[west slate]

advice?

[fringe mortar]

||hornet my beloved||

[trim gate]

||she is also sometimes heard to say "touch grass"||

[fringe mortar]

How

Where

What

[west slate]

wha?...

[trim gate]

[west slate]

when does she say ||git gud||

[trim gate]

I'm just messing

[fringe mortar]

Laate

Very late game

[fickle geyser]

when u have this

[fringe mortar]

Bro dont tell him

[trim gate]

He has a long way

[west slate]

dw ik what that is

[fickle geyser]

Why the hell sometimes in ||PoP|| when i pogo off a ||saw|| it just DESYNCS WITH THE MOVING IN AND OUT SPIKES SO I JUST CANNOT GET ON THE SPIKES

[trim gate]

Here it is

Peak ||pop|| playthrough

[night oyster]

isn't this the character we play as in silksong? why are they here?

theyre just standing there lol

[short kettle]

Play and find out.

[night oyster]

hmm oki

theyre ||running from me tho|| i wonder why

[fickle geyser]

SILKSONG IS A SEQUEL 😭

anyway

i hate ||PoP worst thing ever to exist in this game I want to tear apart those whole rooms of this goddamn path and make those rooms burn in lava in hell||

||i want to tear apart those saws and spikes why the hell do they fucking exist||

[pallid narwhal]

Why I love ||POP|| its really fun

[fickle geyser]

brb

[fickle geyser]

you're not a human

[pallid narwhal]

In my first time I take 8h to finish it

[pallid narwhal]

You struggling with what ?

With the ||spikes|| go down and up ?

[crude cliff]

Know that it isnt required for anything whatsoever

I also took well over 10 hours but it was fun in hindsight

[pallid narwhal]

I am going now to fight ||NKG in steel soul|| If I die I will not lose anything right ?

[ebon copper]

it does give an optional|| journal entry||

[ebon copper]

no

the general idea is that if its a f||ight/place that teleports you out of the dream when you die, you dont die in steel soul, you do die if you die in white palace tho||

[west slate]

hey so how do i get to ||nosk||

[ebon copper]

do you know what part of the map he is in?

[valid falcon]

I think if you ||get reset to a bench, counts as a full ss death
if you get reset to beside a sleeping bat, it doesn't||

[trim gate]

yeah

[west slate]

hes in ||bottom of deepnest|| but idk how to get to him

[fervent valve]

Nah this isnt a spoiler, just keep exploring and youll figure everything out

[valid falcon]

there's a ||breakable wall at some point, if not many||

[pallid narwhal]

Is remove glass from the ||3 charms|| recommended for 112%?

[trim gate]

no

[ebon copper]

its not needed

[west slate]

ok umm where?...

[trim gate]

wait

recommended

yes its useful

[ebon copper]

i would recommend doing at least ||strenght||

||greed|| is useless tho

[trim gate]

yes and ||heart|| aswell

[west slate]

i need ||nosk's grub|| (the 1 near him)

[crude cliff]

And something with your ||shade||
Except that doesnt apply to ||White palace||

[west slate]

any tips for beating ||nosk||?

[vague fern]

|| stick pressed against the platform ||

[west slate]

?

[vague fern]

The platform in the middle

Just sit against it

[west slate]

ok

[vague fern]

And hit him as hes goes by

[west slate]

against it how?

[pallid narwhal]

At 90 degree

[west slate]

left or right?

*side

do i only get ||pale ore from beating nosk||?

[obsidian spoke]

||journal entry too||

[west slate]

that it?

[obsidian spoke]

yes

[ebon copper]

it is a ||needed boss for max%||

[west slate]

ok thanks

[wooden obsidian]

i need a charm combo for ||grimm||

my issue is trhat i keep running out of masks while hes ||pufferfishing|| and im trying to ||abyss shriek||.. maybe i need ||quick focus||?

[tribal sorrel]

||gawd im stuck in white palace help||

[valid falcon]

||troupe master grimm?||

[ebon copper]

id advise against doing the ||shriek start while he is in pufferfish||h if you play latest version, its never a good idea to facetank if you die from doing so

[wooden obsidian]

yeah

[wooden obsidian]

finish the platforming challenges and go left to exit

i dont think you need to do the platforming challenges to go out though

unless youre already in one

[valid falcon]

||you're 1 notch short for a facetank setup||

[wooden obsidian]

dang

i still gotta find that one

[tribal sorrel]

||oh thats hard bruv which charms do i need?||

[ebon copper]

its always best to just not get hit tho

[valid falcon]

super hard to do though

[fickle geyser]

yup

[wooden obsidian]

i get one from fighting ||grimm|| right

[ebon copper]

sure wont become easy if you never try to get there

[ebon copper]

you do

[valid falcon]

||I'd put qfocus, shape of unn, and grubsong+soul catcher or quick slash||

[valid falcon]

||ohh right
so you can't really tank him well||

[wooden obsidian]

alrighty thankyou twin

do i just upslash him while hes ||pufferfish|| or do i just focus on avoiding those ball thingies

[ebon copper]

you cant hurt him with ||nail hits while he is in puffer||

[valid falcon]

||he's unslashable then, only spells can hit him
I'd go to a side and jump over the blobs||

[wooden obsidian]

oh dang tohught you could

ive only ever tried ||shrieking||

[valid falcon]

||in the starting animation, very briefly, I think||

[wooden obsidian]

ill lyk how it goes

[ebon copper]

you are correct

speedruns often charge up a ||nail art to hit him in the correct frame||

[valid falcon]

evil how ||overworld tmg is 3 notches less than later
maybe you could facetank with just grubweaversong, but that's likely too little, would require some nail action||

[ebon copper]

i mean, its a cool fight honestly, im not much of a fan of facetanking anything before like ||pantheons||

[valid falcon]

||leaving out elegy sounds like the only way
so each hit sets back 18 soul, each spider hit gives 3 (and they can hit quite well on tmg) so yeah you'd have to at least do instant nail||

[swift cypress]

hello, i keep hearing about ||pantheon|| and ||godhome|| and have no idea what they are. are they like super late game ||colloseum type things??||

[fickle geyser]

yes

[night oyster]

should i break these or no? ||the shop marks them on the map for some reason i think||

[vague fern]

yeah, they give || temporary bonus masks || and respawn upon benching

[night oyster]

ok, thanks

[swift cypress]

ty :D

[fickle geyser]

||HOW DO I TIME THE FINAL BIG SAW POGO IN POP WHERE YOU NEED TO DOUBLE JUMP TO GET ON THE UPPER SAW||

[west slate]

hey so just rq what is the point of ||godhome||?

[fickle geyser]

ofg

omfg

[vague fern]

to || Refight bosses and fight some new ones ||

[fickle geyser]

complete the ||5 pantheons for an ending||

[west slate]

how tf is ||an ending|| a spoiler??

[vague fern]

an

[obsidian spoke]

Play celeste chapter 3

[vague fern]

indicates multiple

[west slate]

that it? so if i just say:

ending

or an

everyone is happy?

[vague fern]

you shouldnt try and avoid spoiler bot

but thats why it is auto spoilered

[west slate]

ik i wont

to spoiler bot: sorry buddy

[fickle geyser]

.

anyway

is there a SINGLE reason to why EVERYTHING in ||pop|| is just so desynced

[pallid narwhal]

Is I am noob or ||Marmue|| is insane on ||rediant||?

[ebon copper]

its one of the least consistant ones

[obsidian spoke]

Play celeste chapter 3

[ebon copper]

but getting it once isnt very hard imo

[obsidian spoke]

Noob, js merc her

[ebon copper]

lol

[pallid narwhal]

I tried to beat him he is very hard

[ebon copper]

pog celeste mention

[fickle geyser]

no

[shut sparrow]

||it's pretty tough if you're using a bad strat. Stand on the left side and whenever marmu charges at you, do a small jump and hit her away to the side. I don't recommend doing upslashes.

Also you can use spells if you like||

gn

[pallid narwhal]

Ill try

[ebon copper]

you can also use ||mark of pride and long nail|| to make the timing of your hits slightly easier

[pallid narwhal]

What about ||grubberflys elegy||?

[ebon copper]

hitting him with that wont knock him away

[fickle geyser]

CAN SOMEONE GENIUNELY TELL ,ME HOW THE HELL I SHOULD TIME THE ||FINAL MOVING SAW IN POP||

[obsidian spoke]

Then learn what cycles are

[fickle geyser]

i know what they are i cant do shit

[obsidian spoke]

Idk how I did it, I js did

Ykwim

Like

Js lock in

[ebon copper]

you can ||stall until you feel the timing is just right on the arrow thingy just before||

[pallid narwhal]

Oh ok

Is this good ?

[fickle geyser]

guys

[obsidian spoke]

Yes yes

[obsidian spoke]

Ugh finally

[pallid narwhal]

Congrats

[obsidian spoke]

Js joking, congrats man

[obsidian spoke]

Have you done the ||pantheons|| yet

[ebon copper]

in general the idea is you wanna ||dash and time you dash ending to when the saw is moving to the right and is just bellow you, then pogo the saw, dash under use wings, pogo on the right side saw and wait until the moving saw is in the right spot for it to be just under you dash again, than just dash to it, pogo it and dash once more||

[vague fern]

what for??

[obsidian spoke]

He beat it

[obsidian spoke]

||marmu rad||

[ebon copper]

just a suffer

[vague fern]

then no its not good

[ebon copper]

[fickle geyser]

i didnt even unlock ||godhome||

[ebon copper]

dont use ||heavy||

[vague fern]

use ||shaman || and you should always be || overcharming || there

[obsidian spoke]

Dw, ||pantheon 1-4 is easy peasy lemon squeezy||

[ebon copper]

you want to ||knockback|| to be easily calculable

[obsidian spoke]

Why you reply to me

[fickle geyser]

then there's ||p5 with all the bosses in the game and buffed radiance||

[vague fern]

|| strength qslash shaman sbody mop/eater|| is the best build there

[ebon copper]

u asked if your buld is bad

i told you wants wrong in it

[vague fern]

almost all

[vague fern]

different guy

[obsidian spoke]

That's not my build tho

[ebon copper]

ah, i got so confused

mb

[fickle geyser]

so like did i even get a single % of the game for completing ||pop||

[vague fern]

no

[fickle geyser]

oh

[obsidian spoke]

No no!

[vague fern]

its just for an optional || journal entry||

[obsidian spoke]

and fun

[vague fern]

eh

[fickle geyser]

why is ther a ||journal entry|| for a course

[vague fern]

read the entry and you'll see

[obsidian spoke]

Because TC decided to!

[vague fern]

its for the cutscene at the end

[fickle geyser]

cool

[vague fern]

one of 4 uncounted ||entries||

[ebon copper]

so you dont feel like you did ||pop|| for nothing for the 1st time you do it, also lore

[fickle geyser]

huhh..

[ebon copper]

you can also never revisit ||pop|| in the same savefile if you do it once

[obsidian spoke]

Js went to hk lore and found this

[fickle geyser]

wait a second

what

[obsidian spoke]

Without mods you can't!

[ebon copper]

||thats the hornet room in weavers den||

[night oyster]

||hornet|| spotted again in ||fungal wastes|| i wonder whats her deal

[fickle geyser]

ouhh..

[ebon copper]

its implied that ||hornet grew up there with the weavers|| if i remember right

[fickle geyser]

ye i think

what do i do after i did ||pop||

oh wait i think i have ||pale ore|| ima go ||upgrade my nail||

.

[pallid narwhal]

Do the game 108% after that go to the ||pantheons||

[fickle geyser]

o no

[pallid narwhal]

What

[small narwhal]

HEY

[pallid narwhal]

Hello milka how are you

[obsidian spoke]

I js randomly decided to do them

[small narwhal]

what|| charms|| do i use against ||hive knight||

[fickle geyser]

what's the closest ||stag|| to ||Nail upgrades||

[small narwhal]

good how r u!!!

[valid falcon]

||city storerooms likely, maybe kings||

[ebon copper]

kings can be faster if you have ||cdash||

[fickle geyser]

kk

[fickle geyser]

sure ty

[pallid narwhal]

I am fine thank you

[valid falcon]

||and know the placements. storerooms is also fast with some dives||

[obsidian spoke]

Guhh still haven't done chapter 9 celeste

[dense panther]

||you prefer spells I assume?||

[pallid narwhal]

||mark of pride soul catcher sharp shadow steady body||

[small narwhal]

i use them in boss fights a lot but for this one i find it difficult to use them idk why

[vague fern]

|| sharp shadow || isnt good

[vague fern]

because besides || desolate dive||, they arent really that good for the fight

[small narwhal]

reallt i was using that one

[vague fern]

i highly recommend just never touching it

[fickle geyser]

FUCK I NEED 2

[pallid narwhal]

I agree its not that good but its help if someone get hard to avoid the boss attacks

[vague fern]

its not that its 'not that good', its actively bad

[dense panther]

||it's true that nails are better against him but overall only if you had one missing charm you could've had a very good build so I recommend mark of pride and steady body and the other notches I honestly dk ||

[vague fern]

and not only does it not make attacks in that fight easier

but it creates a bad habit

[small narwhal]

what bad habit?

[dense panther]

||I see so many people say sharp shadow is good with traitor lord and I just lose my shit ||

[small narwhal]

YES

it is

i only beat him bc of ||sharp shadow||

im not kidding

[vague fern]

anyways use || shaman/mop + quick focus + catcher / sbody grubsong / or longnail (if you went with shaman)||

[dense panther]

no it's actually really bad

[vague fern]

its midly usable for || traitor lord|| first time, but its just not worth using over many other charms

the one thats absolutely ridiculous is using it against || nkg ||

[small narwhal]

i don’t see how it’s bad because without ||sharp shadow|| i couldn’t. beat him😞

[vague fern]

being accustomed to a different || dash distance||

[small narwhal]

wait

guys

im like

[dense panther]

||so in short you always want to close your distance between you and him but using sharp shadow will make it harder to close the distance between you and him||

[small narwhal]

im confusing ||shade cloak with sharp shadow|| 💀

[vague fern]

yeah no || shade cloak || is super good lol

[small narwhal]

i forget u can literally just ||dash through them with or without the charm||

[vague fern]

just use this build

[pallid narwhal]

I am getting closer but every boss I have to beat him now I am founding him hard

[dense panther]

😭

[sharp nymph]

||oro and mato|| aint that bad

But holy crap thats cool

[vague fern]

easiest to hardest is like || sheo -> oro and mato -> white defender -> sly -> tyrant -> markoth -> absrad|| ish

depends on the person

[small narwhal]

i don’t have ||enough notches for all that||

[vague fern]

3 + 3 + 2 ?

[small narwhal]

😞 i’m confused

[pallid narwhal]

8

[vague fern]

i meant to do slashes instead of commas, does it make more sense now?

[small narwhal]

i equipped ||shaman, longnail and quick focus ||

[vague fern]

thats good

[small narwhal]

||is quick focus to heal?||

[vague fern]

the only || spell|| really worth using imo is || desolate dive|| in that fight

[small narwhal]

||i find it hard healing when fighting him||

[vague fern]

i can explain when if you want

[vague fern]

yes, speeds it up a good amount

[small narwhal]

yes

[sharp nymph]

Do you have ||cloth|| helping you?

[small narwhal]

what

[sharp nymph]

||The person with the big club who came out of the ground in fungal||

[pallid narwhal]

Its a good ||build for sheo||?

[vague fern]

theres 2 times i recommend using || desolate dive||

(1) is when || he does the 3 spike ball attack. the spike balls will pop in order of lowest to highest altitude, and he cannot attack until the 3rd one pops (ish). the way you dodge it is by standing in the spike gaps of the lowest ball, and then using dive as the 2nd ball pops (it iframes 2nd and 3rd ball + him)||

(2) is when || he starts spewing out bees. while hes in that animation, you want to be healing or hitting him constantly, but after he stops he will always immediately jump to reposition and then attack. as he jumps, you want to dive, because it removes the rng from the repositioning jump combined with the bees, but just get ready to dodge his next attack right after||

[small narwhal]

uhh i talked to them once and never again

[vague fern]

those are the strats you use for him even at high levels

[sharp nymph]

Sad

[vague fern]

arguably || nmg -> sbody|| but both are super good for the fight so yeah that works

[valid falcon]

||radiant?||

[pallid narwhal]

Yes

[vague fern]

thats not for || hive knight||

[valid falcon]

then yes

[pallid narwhal]

Ok thx ill try it

[small narwhal]

hold on

i don’t understand abbreviations

[vague fern]

thats for someone else

you dont need to worry about that

[sharp nymph]

I dont see many ppl using ||carefree melody|| i think its rlly good

[small narwhal]

oh oops

[vague fern]

way too expensive for how low of a chance it is without mods

[dense panther]

||nmg nail master glory sb steady body||

[sharp nymph]

Eh

[vague fern]

arguably usable with || carefree rng reset mod || but its taking away obviously broken charms that are just as expensive

and its not skill expression

only used for flukes in ||radiant|| which kinda goes against the whole point imo

[sharp nymph]

I just use it in spell builds when i cant find another useful charn

[small narwhal]

standing in betwee ||the lowest spike gets me to dodge all of them?||

[forest moat]

me confused im smacking it but it aint doing anything

[vague fern]

Hit the up and down arrows

[small narwhal]

smack the one that the top

[vague fern]

the lever takes it to that floor if it isnt already there

[small narwhal]

of the elevator

[dense panther]

[forest moat]

damn i didnt realise there's one in it...

[night oyster]

I'm about 5 hours into my first playthrough, how long does an average playthrough take

[pallid narwhal]

Average 25-30h

I take 33h in my first time

[dusky whale]

Why do people not like hitting ||grimm when he is bowing||

[vague fern]

Starts || puffer ||

Which is the hardest attack

[dusky whale]

Why not let him go ||puffer fish|| to spam ||spells||

[night oyster]

wow thats a lot

[vague fern]

Like 40 for just beating the game

[vague fern]

Because not everyone wants to cheese it

Also its unlikely you'll have to soul for that

[dusky whale]

If you didnt have ||soul|| you can ||charge attack, slash, upper slash, then upper spell||

[fickle geyser]

beating the game is ||Killing the HK||, 100%ing it or 112%ing it?

[dusky whale]

And it is not cheasing

You still need to dodge

[vague fern]

Beating the game is getting || any ending ||

[dusky whale]

Also, I like to do this because it is guranteed hits to the boss

[vague fern]

You can just || dream nail and then great slash last second and it doesnt trigger puffer fish ||

[dusky whale]

Maybe my information is wrong but I just watched a short about why ||speedrunners bow to grimm, they dreamnail bow dreamnail||

[dusky whale]

Like || why do that in p5 when the boss before offers alot of soul||

[red cairn]

||no pufferfish||

[dusky whale]

||pufferfish is guaranteed hits to him||

||You can spam spells||

||i dont think hitting him normally can get you any more damage because he is always dodging||

[red cairn]

||why do that when you can get more damage in at the start?||

[dusky whale]

How

||a gurantted puffer, you already hit him with a charge attack, and 2 normal ones||

||and in the puffer you just spam spells||

||spells deal more damage than nail||

I havent watched speedruns

Maybe they dont reach ||grimm|| with enough ||soul||

[fickle geyser]

i beat the game like in 30h

[red cairn]

||its a speedrun, even if theres infinite soul before they cant wait||

[dusky whale]

There is no wait

[vague fern]

Nice

dont see the relevance though

[dusky whale]

||Waiting for him to bow is a wait||

||maybe the open mouth animation, but that is a bit smaller than the bow one||

[terse dawn]

any tips on how to do this skip easier?

[proud helm]

I bow because it’s the polite thing to do
I bow to ||lords, sisters, oro, mato, sheo and sly|| too

[noble peak]

If you like fall while going left from that platform next to you and as soon as hit wall do ||c dash|| it easier

[west slate]

any tips for normal ||markoth||?

[opaque moat]

nah i do this

[tiny vessel]

beat him

[opaque moat]

in ||overworld||

[west slate]

haha i mean to beat him

[west slate]

yep

[tiny vessel]

deal dmg to him

[opaque moat]

||gather soul from mobs then strike him with infinite shrieks||

[west slate]

ok but by infinite you mean...

[opaque moat]

idioms bruder

just keep hitting him by it

[west slate]

ok

lol

[fervent valve]

Why these || flying mantis dont pay respect || to me

[fickle geyser]

WHAT DO I EQUIP FOR ||DIVINE||'S DIALOG BRO

[feral mulch]

they cant ||bow while clining obv||

[fervent valve]

But that demonstrates that they dont || respect my authoritah ||

[fickle geyser]

what charm do i equip for ||divine||

[west slate]

u hit them they hit u

[feral mulch]

||Strength, greed, heart||

[west slate]

simple as that

[whole scroll]

the breakable ones

[fervent valve]

I dont wanna hit them, i want them || to bow down ||

[feral mulch]

if i ||shade soul they dont shade soul||

[feral mulch]

bro explore the area the ||mantis lords|| opened for u

[fickle geyser]

ok

[fervent valve]

I am || deepnest || is ass

[west slate]

sigh...

IT IS NOT THAT BADDD!!

[feral mulch]

|| get a specific item from dirtmouth||

[west slate]

(*||deepnest||)

[fervent valve]

|| lantern || dont make it less ass

[fickle geyser]

HOW FUCKING MUC-

[fervent valve]

God damn

[dusty kelp]

Yeah but worth is

[fickle geyser]

is this to get ||Unbreakable||

[dusty kelp]

thats heart pretty sure

[golden flower]

yes

[feral mulch]

get ||unbreake strength only||

[dusty kelp]

heart and strength 100% worth it

hearts not bad tho

[fickle geyser]

i cant cancel the ||fragile to unbreakable heart|| Can i

[golden flower]

no

[feral mulch]

greed the best lol

[feral mulch]

?

[fickle geyser]

she ate my charm 😭

[vague fern]

I mean they dont break in the hardest content really, mostly just useful for || radiance and colo ||

[lucid tendon]

||I discovered whole of deepnest without map

I asked my fried where corny is

He said go there, I went and he wasn't there

He said I have discovered whole of deepnest without map and was so astonished💀||

[feral mulch]

U JUST HAD TO GIVE HER HUH

u cant

[fickle geyser]

I EQUIPPED ALL OF THE BREAKABLE ONES

IT CHOSE HEART

[lucid tendon]

And GUESS WHERE THAT GIFT COMES FROM😭 😭

[fickle geyser]

I KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM

[feral mulch]

theres a way to get it back but will prevent u from ||upgrading them||

[lucid tendon]

🥀

[fickle geyser]

oh

so basically im just about to spend 12k geo for 2 masks of hp

[dusty kelp]

yeah

strength is 15k

[vague fern]

Spoilers would be better there

[fickle geyser]

hi evil guy i will probably fight

[golden flower]

#sk-help
quite a bit probably better to be more specific

[feral mulch]

Also spoiler or delete this

[vague fern]

Just delete

Not spoiler

[balmy kraken]

What do we get there

[fickle geyser]

?

[dusty kelp]

?

[balmy kraken]

He said me to delete that message

[fickle geyser]

and what

[vague fern]

Ask in skhelp

#sk-help

[balmy kraken]

Oo sry

I thought I was I sk help

My bad

[fickle geyser]

i need 1272 geo 😭

do yall know a way to farm geo]

[dusty kelp]

Wait is talking about ||weathered mask|| a spoiler?

Yeah

[fickle geyser]

talking about what

[vague fern]

End game content

[fickle geyser]

of silksong or hk?

[hard minnow]

||colo|| not very fast but quite fun

[golden flower]

hk

[vague fern]

Hk

[fervent valve]

Good for u man

[vague fern]

sk isnt spoiler botted here

[fickle geyser]

huh

[vague fern]

Because thats a spoiler in itself

[fickle geyser]

tf is a ||weathered mask|| then

[dusty kelp]

By|| kings station|| do the run through the big area and back as each big guy drops a lot. ||sharp shadow|| helps

[vague fern]

Its a || journal entry || very late game

[golden flower]

not related to health

[fickle geyser]

ohh

[dusty kelp]

Yeah so is it a spoiler

[fickle geyser]

after u beat the ||5th panteon????||

[dusty kelp]

i assume yes

[vague fern]

In a way, yes

but later than that

[dusty kelp]

yes and no...

[fickle geyser]

uhh

[dusty kelp]

Got it recently but it pained my fingers

[lucid tendon]

He is true love

[fickle geyser]

is there a way to farm geo lategame

[dusty kelp]

yes

[fickle geyser]

not counting ||colo||

im scared

[pallid narwhal]

Any tips for ||oro and mato|| in ||rediant||?

[naive siren]

||elite husk sentries||

[dusty kelp]

defeat the big guys by ||kings station||

[fickle geyser]

what 😭

[naive siren]

the big guys

[dusty kelp]

the purple double damagers

[golden flower]

|| ||

[hard minnow]

Big red guys with shield

[naive siren]

||in city||

[dusty kelp]

by ||kings||

[fervent valve]

Where the hell is || cornifer in deepnest ||

[golden flower]

2 spots

[naive siren]

||mantis lords entrance||

[hard minnow]

There's two spots

[dusty kelp]

isnt he towards top buy mask m?

[fervent valve]

Hell no i explored all of that

[naive siren]

well clearly you didn't

[dusty kelp]

I thought hes buy mask ||maker||

[naive siren]

||idk i just remember going through the mantis lords entrance and getting to him||

[hard minnow]

From where did you came in?

[dusty kelp]

I came from queens through the fall path

He will be near where you first come in

[hard minnow]

Oh

[lucid tendon]

It was a heart attack

😭

[fickle geyser]

no you didnt i have it's map

[dusty kelp]

he has two ||deepnest|| spots

[fickle geyser]

you mean those????

[dusty kelp]

yeah

they drop

Thats how i grinded

[hard minnow]

One near ||mantis|| one near the big hole in ||fungal||

[dusty kelp]

Do you have ||pure nail||

[fickle geyser]

they drop 50 geo 😭

[fickle geyser]

no.. i have ||channeled||

[dusty kelp]

Did you beat ||nosk||

[fervent valve]

I searched the entrance and looked up a guide, they told me to buy from his || wife ||

[dusty kelp]

He gives a ||pale ore||

Yeah his wife sells any maps you missed

[fickle geyser]

no

[hard minnow]

Yeah if you're too far into an area he won't spawn

[fervent valve]

Wont there be a || brick || if i missed it

[dusty kelp]

He drops a ||pale ore||

[fickle geyser]

cool

[dusty kelp]

What do you mean?

[hard minnow]

It'd just be a little more expensive

[fervent valve]

The item that displays his absence and tells he has moved on

[dusty kelp]

Theres also on in ||crystal peaks|| at a broken|| radiance ||statue at the very top

[hard minnow]

Bro just say at the top no need to spoil

[dusty kelp]

hmm you should check ||ismelda|| s shop first

[fervent valve]

Aight ty

[dusty kelp]

If its not there than idk

[fickle geyser]

how late game does hk count ||deepnest|| just wondering

[dusty kelp]

before queens i think

[golden flower]

could be anywhere really
there isnt a well defined early/mid/late game

[hard minnow]

Personnaly I got there pretty early and go throught it all befor getting ||dream nail||

[dusty kelp]

after ||fungal or city||

[fickle geyser]

i went to it after beating ||mantis lords||

[dusty kelp]

I accidently came accross ||dream nail|| ngl

[dusty kelp]

I went to ||city|| first

[fickle geyser]

i was just exploring ||crystal peaks|| and FELL

[fringe mortar]

I went there after getting more than half the game lol

[dusty kelp]

Is ||winged nosk|| a spoiler

[golden flower]

yes

[supple mountain]

yes

[hard minnow]

YES

[dusty kelp]

k

[fickle geyser]

it obviously is

[hard minnow]

Too many players know about the normal version without knowing about the alternate

[supple mountain]

bosses, charms, abilities, n*nsenf, characters, and places are all spoilers

[fickle geyser]

what the hell is n*nsenf

[pallid narwhal]

Against ||oro and mato|| is best to be in middle or corner

[dusty kelp]

same with ||lords||

[vague fern]

Really scary guy

[fickle geyser]

how is it a spoiler

who even is

[vague fern]

because hes evil

[fickle geyser]

he

[vague fern]

and his name is forbidden

[dusty kelp]

who?

[hard minnow]

No idt so

[fervent valve]

Do i fight || three mantis lords at once || ?

[glad kraken]

||NKG is hell||

[fringe mortar]

@shut sparrow

[dusty kelp]

the buffed version in ||p5||

[fringe mortar]

Poor dude lol

[hard minnow]

You get to go free this time

[fervent valve]

But i wanna

[fickle geyser]

in their ||normal version|| no, you ||fight one and then you fight two||

[hard minnow]

If you just say lord it isn't a spoiler

[dusty kelp]

true

[fervent valve]

Have alr defeated, also add spoiler tag

[hard minnow]

And then there's mod if you want

[dusty kelp]

yeah

[fervent valve]

Pickleton

I went to wifey but no mappy

@dusty kelp

[terse dawn]

so im trying to do the speedrun 2 achievemtn and im having trouble at the ||watcher knights|| with minimal equipment. does anybody have some tips?

[hard minnow]

Do you know about the chandeler?

[terse dawn]

yes

[fervent valve]

Tritosor

How do i get || mask shard || at the gate of || deepnest ||

[hard minnow]

Inventory sc?

[terse dawn]

||should i try to beat them with this or should i go get smth else?||

[hard minnow]

Put spoiler

[terse dawn]

i have 2h left before i cant get the achievemnt anymore

[hard minnow]

How many ||masks|| and what ||charms||?

[terse dawn]

||6 and mop, soul catcher and fragile strength but broken||

[dusty kelp]

||fungal||

[hard minnow]

But you need a certain deplacement improvement

[dusty kelp]

what ||spells||?

[terse dawn]

its in the ss

[dusty kelp]

ss?

[terse dawn]

||vengeful spirit||

[terse dawn]

.

[hard minnow]

The maybe repair it, sell the ||journal|| and I think it should be enough

[honest lark]

Guys what's the easiest way to get ||a pale ore||

[hard minnow]

Nvm you need 280

[hard minnow]

Depend on your point in game

[acoustic sigil]

||You took quite an interesting route, why did you get tram pass? You also don't need wings. Instead getting ddark makes for a way easier fight||

[hard minnow]

Wich ones do you already have?

[terse dawn]

i followed a yt vid 😭

[acoustic sigil]

Fireb0rn has a guide on it, I think that is the best route to follow

||https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602||

[honest lark]

The boss that I currently need to beat is ||hornet 2|| and I have everything up to ||m wings||
Also none

[hard minnow]

There's no best route, you can do however you want

[acoustic sigil]

best route being most efficient

Yes you can also do|| 112% APB|| but how practical is that

[hard minnow]

There's one ||in ancient bassin|| west of ||tram||

[acoustic sigil]

The game is very non linear, we can't really tell how far you are in the game based on that

[honest lark]

do I need ||tram pass||..?

[acoustic sigil]

No

[hard minnow]

Yes you can, he could have just been a new player who just got their first upgrades

[hard minnow]

Just go left then down from ||king's station||

[acoustic sigil]

||You at most can know they have been in basin. You can't know if they have been in the areas for any of the others||

||And crystal peak they have the requirements for ig||