hk-help

[left trail]

I haven’t bought then yet

them*

[gusty thistle]

its fine just go back there later

[left trail]

but they’re ||fragile|| right?

[gusty thistle]

yea

[dense torrent]

useful for later tho

[gusty thistle]

so if you die you have to pay geo to repair

[dense torrent]

and u can rebuy

[left trail]

oh

[gusty thistle]

you can make them ||unbreakable|| but its very expensive

[left trail]

it’s from that weird ||lady|| right

[dense torrent]

yeah

not really worth it anyway

[left trail]

what do they do

[dense torrent]

since theyre mostly used in the late game

[dense torrent]

the charms?

one makes enemies drop more geo, the other makes you have more masks, the other makes your nail deal more damage

[left trail]

oh dang

how many ||charm notches?||

[dense torrent]

3 for ||strength||

2 for ||heart||

2 for ||greed||

[left trail]

should I buy one

[dense torrent]

probably

theyre worth it

[gusty thistle]

yes

[left trail]

what

[dense torrent]

what

[left trail]

what just happened

I just suddenly stopped being able to chat

[dense torrent]

wdym

like a mute?

[left trail]

no

my chats just weren’t registering

how do I spoiler mark a image

[dense torrent]

click the little eye

bru

[unreal sable]

Does anyone have tips on how to beat ||sly||

[left trail]

there’s n eye to press

[dense torrent]

i saw it for a second

its not the servers fault

[dense torrent]

ur on pc?

[near egret]

What charms am I missing?

[dense torrent]

there should be when you hover over the image

[dense torrent]

||heavy focus||

||weaversong||

[unreal sable]

|| deep focus and weaver song||

[near egret]

Where do I find those

[gusty thistle]

||weaversong in deepnest||

[gusty thistle]

||deep focus in crystal peaks||

[unreal sable]

||deep focus crystal peaks||

I think

[left trail]

how do I get to ||deep nest?|| do I need ||desolate dive||?

[near egret]

||where in deepnest and the crystal peak?||

[unreal sable]

You shouldnt

I dont think

[dense torrent]

you dont need to go there yet lol

ur only in ||city of tears||

u actually are able to rn i believe

[gusty thistle]

you want a hint or specifically where?

[left trail]

I want ||little spider buddies tho :c||

[gusty thistle]

they suck

[dense torrent]

its a bad charm

[gusty thistle]

not that good

[near egret]

@gusty thistle doesn't matter

[dense torrent]

and its not a good time to go for it

[left trail]

what charm should I try to get

[dense torrent]

not any rn

just explore

and

progress

[gusty thistle]

||deep focus||

[near egret]

Ok ty

[gusty thistle]

||Weaversong||

[near egret]

Ty

[left trail]

Is it normal to have 9 hrs at ||city of tears?||

[dense torrent]

yes

[left trail]

ok good

[gusty thistle]

from ||fungal wastes||

[dense torrent]

theres no time where you should be in an area

[gusty thistle]

you dont need ||desolate dive||

[left trail]

I spent 2 hours trying to figure how to get to the next area from the starting area

[dense torrent]

still pretty normal

[vestal estuary]

it should take at least 30 hours to beat the game

[left trail]

which way to go to find the map

from the entrance

in ||CoT||

[gusty thistle]

||Fungal wastes|| entrance?

[left trail]

no

||city of tears||

[gusty thistle]

yea i meant straight from ||fungal wastes||?

[vestal estuary]

he means entrance to ||CoT|| from ||fungal wastes||

[dense torrent]

but where in ||cot||

its a massive place

[left trail]

oh

[left trail]

yeah that one

[vestal estuary]

you'll want to go ||straight right|| basically

[left trail]

and keep going until I find him?

[vestal estuary]

its complicated

gimme a sec to write out some directions

[gusty thistle]

its hard to miss just keep progressing

[left trail]

how do I parry btw

[vestal estuary]

||go right until you reach a vertical room, go down it, then go right until you find a lift, make your way up that series of rooms, then you should find him||

[vestal estuary]

precisely time your own attack with an enemy's attack
done right you should get iframes
it's pretty hard tho

[dense torrent]

not really worth trying to parry

its better ot just ||Dash|| away

[vestal estuary]

yeah

[left trail]

I’m trying to find my ||shade||

[vast steppe]

how do i give ||sly|| the ||simple key||?

[left trail]

idk where it is

[dense torrent]

wdym

i dont think u can give him a key lol

[vast steppe]

wait nvm

[left trail]

NOOOOO IM POOR AGIN

AGAIN*

HOW MUCH DOES THE MAP COST

[dense torrent]

like 75-150

[vestal estuary]

@old yew we need to see which ones you have to tell you

[left trail]

I just killed one of those flying ones using the elevator lol

[vestal estuary]

i'd go with nail build and good dodging skills

[vestal estuary]

lmao

[left trail]

ok I’m bankrupt

I need directions for ||soul sanctum|| I don’t wanna get this damn map anymore

[bold gulch]

Ty

[left trail]

guys

can somebody give me directions to ||soul sanctum||

[dense torrent]

js

explore

or

from where u entered its really close

just go to the right

[left trail]

is ||thorns of agony|| worth it to use

[dense torrent]

most of the time no

[left trail]

for somebody that gets hit a lot tho?

[dense torrent]

well if u get hit a lot u can just heal

but if u want it then use it

[left trail]

what do I do with ||rancid egg||

[fervent violet]

good morning

[dense torrent]

youll find a purpose for them later on

[fervent violet]

no but its useful early game

[lyric rapids]

hi

[vagrant path]

how do i get up here

[dense torrent]

idk bro

[vagrant path]

this is like dangling a piece of candy in front of a starving child 😭

[dense torrent]

actually ill look up how to get to it rn

since no one else is in the chat rn

[vagrant path]

tysm

[dense torrent]

wait

are you under ||fungal wastes||?

if so then you have to get that one from ||fungal wastes||

[vagrant path]

oh

[dense torrent]

then u can open that entrance up from above

luckily you dont have to fight anything in ||deepnest|| to get to it

u just drop down

[vagrant path]

i was trying to do the ||grimm troupe|| thing

[fervent violet]

uuh

[pastel otter]

How does ||baldur shell|| work

[fervent violet]

avoids getting hit when u heal

but ur heal doesn't complete

[pastel canyon]

You need to go through ||fungal waste first||

[fervent violet]

u have to drop from above

[tender needle]

||here's a nail build charm combo for pure vessel that allows me to beat him consistently

fragile/unbreakable strength
quickslash
steady body
fury of the fallen
baldur shell||

[halcyon trench]

do you have ||monarch wings|| yet?

[lethal portal]

through the ||fungal core||

[vague fern]

|| baldur and fury || is unique

[tender needle]

||baldur is kinda optional it just makes me feel safe||

[vague fern]

Fair enough

[languid ravine]

should i do this

@vague fern

[tiny sand]

Guys is there any diffrent on hollow knight and hollow knight sound track cuz i bought both sound and normal silksong

[mild oyster]

Naw save up, you rly only need to do this at the very end of the play trough imo

[fervent violet]

||glory to hallownest||

[languid ravine]

whats this?

[fervent violet]

boss

[languid ravine]

another me?

is he hard

[mild oyster]

Decently

[fervent violet]

no

[mild oyster]

Moderately hard at most

[fervent violet]

just dont jump too much

[languid ravine]

i beat || mantis lords and soul master is he on their level or even stronger ? ||

[mild oyster]

Around the same

He has easy attacks to avoid

[tiny sand]

Guys is there any diffrent on hollow knight and hollow knight sound track cuz i bought both sound and normal silksong

[vast steppe]

anyone have tips for ||second soul warrior||

istg this guy is harder than ||soul master|| for no reason

legit cannot heal

[fervent violet]

||finish his minions first and do what u did before||

[fervent violet]

dont let him hurt u

[chilly ivy]

This good?

might swap out ||spell twister||

with sum else

[fervent violet]

its good

[fervent violet]

||twister/catcher can be alternated||

[chilly ivy]

what about ||dream wielder|| is it good for using or

[fervent violet]

||it just reduces the time taken to draw out ur dreamnail||

[chilly ivy]

dang useless

[languid ravine]

why || is bbroken vessel so hard and unfamiliar like i cant get his moves down ||

[fervent violet]

dont rush on him, he well-telegraphs his moves

[halcyon trench]

||it also gives 66 soul, enough for 2 uses so it can be useful if you know what you're doing with it||

[vague fern]

Its good but niche

[fervent violet]

hi lune

[vague fern]

Hiiii

[light vigil]

Guys best build for ||radiance||? ||I have 10 notches||

[fervent violet]

u have all charms?

[light vigil]

Yeah

[fervent violet]

||qslash, strength, mark of pride, sbody||

[light vigil]

Whats ||sbody||?

[idle yoke]

||Steady Body||

[fervent violet]

||why don't u get 1 more notch||

[pulsar plume]

sup everyone

[jovial sky]

hello

[pulsar plume]

noone needs help lol

[wide sequoia]

Hey I found this on Hollow Knight sound effect where does it comes from PLEASE ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDVlXJxaz7Y&list=RDTDVlXJxaz7Y&start_radio=1||

[pulsar plume]

wth is hk sound bank

[wide sequoia]

Banque de son de hollow knit mdr

[pulsar plume]

i have no idea what that sound is

[wide sequoia]

:-(

[pulsar plume]

maybe someone else does

[wide sequoia]

You're so real for that thanks goku

[pulsar plume]

no worries

[languid ravine]

guys i have || ismas tear what should i do next im not sure what else i have to do ||

[halcyon trench]

||did you get all the dreamers?||

[languid ravine]

||what are dreamers i have not haerd of that ||

[halcyon trench]

holy

[languid ravine]

?

[halcyon trench]

||you been to deepnest yet?||

[languid ravine]

im new

this is my 4th day

[halcyon trench]

yea its alright'

[pulsar plume]

dang brother 4th daya nd you got the ||ismas tear|| nice

[languid ravine]

i unlocked that ut didnt go there

[pulsar plume]

but remember you got to keep exploring

[languid ravine]

after i beat || the mantis lords a passage opened up for the deepnest area ||

[halcyon trench]

go there, you could find interesting stuff

do you have ||lantern||?

[languid ravine]

yep

[halcyon trench]

cool, hope you also went to ||crystal peaks||, that's also an important and cool place

[regal estuary]

|| I ask if I can have more then one ending in one save and they said yes, but “you can have all but you can lock yourself out of two” how do I not lock myself out of the ending”||

[halcyon trench]

||you can lock yourself from the first ending by getting the void heart charm and another ending by giving the delicate flower to godseeker||

[pulsar plume]

i barely defeated ||nkg|| in ||p5|| just now and my heartbeat is through the roof

[halcyon trench]

yoo, good job good job

[pulsar plume]

hopefully i beat ||pv|| and unlock the ||radiance|| in ||hog||

im shaking bruh

[halcyon trench]

keep yo calm gng, you got this

[pulsar plume]

NOO IM ON 1 HEART

[halcyon trench]

oh god

[pulsar plume]

W

[halcyon trench]

maybe theres a way to salvage thiss situation?

[pulsar plume]

IM THE GOAT

[halcyon trench]

hell yeah!!! THE GOAT🗣️

[pulsar plume]

THE FUCKING SUN

[elfin ocean]

Gl

You'll need it

[halcyon trench]

good luck!

[pulsar plume]

i was expecting to die lol

it was no match tbh

still now that i unlocked the fight i can practice

good thing i practiced the ||pv|| fight alot or i would've easily died

[smoky lava]

I dont like ||flukemarm||

[pulsar plume]

who does

[smoky lava]

is it Required to kill ||flukemarm||? Like can I just skip him for now

[pulsar plume]

yeah sure

tho he is quite easy idk why you wouldnt just kill him now

[smoky lava]

Its the ||flukefly|| that I dont really like

[fervent violet]

hello

[pulsar plume]

they die pretty easily unless you havent ||upgraded your nail||

[pulsar plume]

sup

[smoky lava]

I have ||sharpened nail|| but I need ||nail|| that can one hit them

[pulsar plume]

how many hits do you need to kill them

[smoky lava]

2

[pulsar plume]

yeah you should just leave the boss for now

and come back later

[regal estuary]

||Can you give me ending order ||

[pulsar plume]

wdym ||ending order||?

[regal estuary]

|| so I don’t lock any ending out so I can have all of them in one run ,I think I do black egg first then what?||

[pulsar plume]

||alright the only ending you can lock is the first one|| so get that one first and then the rest you can easily do

[dense torrent]

Why did you do ||pop|| before 112 😭

[pulsar plume]

well the first one and teh 4th one but the 4th one gets locked nly if u want it to so no need to worry about that

[pulsar plume]

idk man i got pretty bored dying in ||p5||

[regal estuary]

||Ohh bet bet from what I’m getting here too is don’t get void heart||

[pulsar plume]

only took me like 2.5 hours or smt

[dense torrent]

Why did you do ||p5|| before 112 😭

[pulsar plume]

idk

112 is pretty grindy and boring

[dense torrent]

I mean not really

You’re prolly just missing some ||charms|| and ||colosseum||

[pulsar plume]

yeah it is i gotta complete ||hunters journal get all charms and blah blah||

[dense torrent]

You don’t though

[pulsar plume]

oh yeah the 3rd fight aswell

[dense torrent]

||journal|| isn’t required

[pulsar plume]

i do? the ||journal|| counts as 1 %

[dense torrent]

Don’t know where you heard that

But it definitely doesn’t

[pulsar plume]

WHATTT

IT DOESNT???

aint no way bruh

[dense torrent]

It’s as useless as ||pop and p5|| in terms of 112

It’s as useless as ||pop and p5|| in terms of 112

[pulsar plume]

where did i think taht it was needed😭

well i still need to fight 2 ||dream bosses|| and i still need ||Charms and the third fight of colo||

thats 4% right?

where do i get the rest from

[dense torrent]

Send me a pic of ur unc

Inv

Not your unc

And your charms

[pulsar plume]

oh yeah i still need 1 mask

[zenith flower]

I have nearly all the charms

[pulsar plume]

idk the rest

[dense torrent]

Missing another 4% from masks

[zenith flower]

Same

[acoustic sigil]

||Mask, colo, 2400 essence, 10 charms||

[pulsar plume]

anotehr 4%??

[jade sedge]

||Thats 1%||

[pulsar plume]

hmm thats 4% and 2 % from ||dream bosses||

[dense torrent]

Each shard counts to 1

[jade sedge]

No they dont

[halcyon trench]

nope

[pulsar plume]

wait what

[dense torrent]

Never mind

Mb

[jade sedge]

||No each charm is one, its just what thommie said||

[pulsar plume]

ohhhh

[exotic wharf]

||each charm gives you 1% btw||

[acoustic sigil]

||No, everything I said is what you need for 112, (1 charm = 1%). Dream bosses dont give a %||

[pulsar plume]

by ||Dream bosses i meant dung defender and broken vessel they give a percentage each right?||

[acoustic sigil]

No

[exotic wharf]

nope

[pulsar plume]

oh

[exotic wharf]

but beat them for ||essences||

[pulsar plume]

my whole gameplay has been a lie😭

[pulsar plume]

oh yh

[dense torrent]

Some do unless by ||”dream bosses”|| you mean ones like ||lost kin||

[pulsar plume]

i did

[acoustic sigil]

||Xero is a dream warrior, if we are being pendantic||

[pulsar plume]

i meant those

[dense torrent]

true ig

[acoustic sigil]

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[acoustic sigil]

For whoever is having a hard time

[opal forum]

I need help chat

[bitter anvil]

?

[acoustic sigil]

Yiu are in luck, this is the help channel

If you are a bit more specific we can actually help

[opal forum]

|| absolute radiance on radiant||

[bitter anvil]

Cant help

[dense torrent]

Lowkirkenuinely just gonna have to beat it with hopes and prayers

[pulsar plume]

we cant help with that bruh

[bitter anvil]

Im stuck on that mf aswell

[opal forum]

Are we serious

I just want help with one boss

[pulsar plume]

we cant bruh unless you want tips

we cant physically join your game and help you

[bitter anvil]

||Well you probably want to use some spell charms don't you think||

[acoustic sigil]

||#hk-help message||

[opal forum]

Damn thanks

[pulsar plume]

this is that channel bruh

[acoustic sigil]

Click the message homie

[dense torrent]

Unfortunately I am

[pulsar plume]

brother wrote a whole essay on ||ABs radiance||😭

[pulsar plume]

oh mb

[zenith flower]

Can anyone help me beat the ||hollow knight|| and ||Radience||?

[dense torrent]

What attacks are you struggling with

[zenith flower]

The side swords

[dense torrent]

For ||rad|| you just need to play defensively

[exotic wharf]

||don't heal after the hollow knight is held by hornet you will get back to full HP||

[zenith flower]

I learnt that but thanks

[exotic wharf]

||descending dark or shadow dash should do the trick||

||also the spikes on the ground can be removed if you use descending dark on it ||

[zenith flower]

Thansk

[dense torrent]

Also utilize ||abyss shriek||

[zenith flower]

Yes, I do 3 at the start

[dense torrent]

Alr, and for the platform part I recommend that you stay on the bottom one in the middle

[zenith flower]

What build should I use?

[exotic wharf]

depends on what you prefer

[dense torrent]

||strength, shaman, quick slash, longnaul||

||long nail||*

[zenith flower]

Would sharpshadow work?

[dense torrent]

If you want to then use it

Whatever you find to be useful

[jade sedge]

Please spoiler tag this

[exotic wharf]

not recommended

[pulsar plume]

where is ||white defender||

[zenith flower]

There's a breakable floor near his arena

[pulsar plume]

found it thnx

[real nacelle]

i need help

the silksong vc's come before the hollow knight ones even though hollow knight was made before silksong and it rlly bothers me for some reason

someone NEEDS to fix this

[exotic wharf]

hmmmm

[exotic wharf]

I'll think about it

[real nacelle]

thank you

this matter is of absolute importance

[fervent violet]

👋

[smoky bloom]

guys help me pls i cant beat last boss in ||pantheon|| 1

[exotic wharf]

they can't attack you at the same time unless they sandwich you

[fervent violet]

dont get between them

[smoky bloom]

sometimes they get too close and even if i ||dash|| i still take damage

[exotic wharf]

||and if you get between them descending dark then dash away||

[smoky bloom]

getting between them isnt a problem. them getting both to me and beating uo is the problem

[exotic wharf]

yea it's not always better to back away sometimes get between them

[exotic wharf]

if you get between them they'll attack in the same time

if not they'll take turns

[zenith flower]

If they are next to eachover consider using ||shade soul||

[smoky bloom]

still its hard. sometimes one charges up and ruins everything

[smoky bloom]

idk i think i should use ||abyss shriek|| bc its strong but ima use ||shade soul||

[exotic wharf]

||yea try descending dark for iframes you get a second or a half to reposition and understand what you should do ||

[smoky bloom]

also can yall tell me what charms to use?

[exotic wharf]

not always better

[fervent violet]

||abyss shriek is useful for flying enemies, ddark helps more||

[smoky bloom]

i can show my inventory and yall tell what charms should i use

[fervent violet]

ok

[smoky bloom]

bc i dont think the setup is good that im using

[exotic wharf]

go ahead

[smoky bloom]

i also have 8 hp

[mellow peak]

Hey so I got all of the ||flames for the 3rd phase of the Grimm child, what do I do now as I don’t want to banish the Grimm troupe||

[exotic wharf]

||they're good but you should get more notches||

[smoky bloom]

u can do ||nkg|| now

[fervent violet]

||qslash, mop, sbody, twister/catcher||

[bitter anvil]

Js go back to him

[exotic wharf]

||go and fight Grimm||

[smoky bloom]

isnt 9 enough? idk where to get more

[mellow peak]

Is that required

[exotic wharf]

look it up on yt and you'll know what you're missing

[exotic wharf]

for the 112% yes

[smoky bloom]

no but u can get epik flying fren thats strong

[bitter anvil]

||Make sure you get all unbreakable charms before you kill nkg||

[fervent violet]

no the tent remains

[bitter anvil]

It does?

K

[fervent violet]

one does, other is gone

[solemn zealot]

The tent is gone if you ||banish them||

[dense torrent]

Doesn’t matter since that one stays, I believe if you ||banish|| then it disappears

[bitter anvil]

||Do you get achievement for killing NKG in godhome?||

[simple island]

You can’t get all achievement in one playthrough

[bitter anvil]

Ik

[simple island]

You have a bunch of set of two mutually exclusive achievements

Which includes ||NKG and banishing||

[bitter anvil]

But i just checked and i have it

||But i only killed NKG in P5||

[simple island]

Are you sure you have the achievement for killing ||nkg
And not troupe master Grimm ?||

lol epic spoiler fail

[bitter anvil]

||"Defeat the nightmare king and complete the ritual" is it this? ||

[simple island]

Well that only shows up if you beat ||NKG in the overworld||

[bitter anvil]

But i didnt

[simple island]

Im more willing to bet on your poor memory, or someone else playing on your machine than a bug

[sage smelt]

hi

[bitter anvil]

It probably is my bad memory

[sage smelt]

how are yall

[simple island]

Aliving, which is good enough for me

[sage smelt]

lol

[bitter anvil]

Whats blnf

[sage smelt]

boundless infinity

[bitter anvil]

Idk what that is lowkirkenuinly

[sage smelt]

i uploaded the thing to youtube

if you wanna see

[bitter anvil]

Ok

[simple island]

Wackass ||absrad|| mod n°204719

[sage smelt]

||https://youtu.be/icyDCPhE3hI||

[sage smelt]

not ||absrad||

[simple island]

Oh right

Ok yeah mb, it’s the actually good modded boss

[sage smelt]

lol

alg

[simple island]

90% of modded bosses honestly do not look fun

[sage smelt]

ik

||abskoth|| for example

pale shadow wouldve been so good if it wasn't for the fact that your game would freeze every time the boss parried

[simple island]

It’s just too easy to make a kaizo boss, say it’s super duper ultra mega hard, have people grind it and praise it after they’ve beaten it, but actually none of the gameplay is fun

[bright sorrel]

[simple island]

Making a good boss is much harder

[sage smelt]

ik

[sage smelt]

thats why i love boundless infinity

its an enjoyable boss that isn't too easy

[simple island]

-# Very cute pfp btw

[sage smelt]

not bs

well not if youre fighting it on ||attuned||

you ever tried it?

oop

[sage smelt]

wait whats your pfp

[modest lotus]

tips for ||nailmaster sly?||

[zenith flower]

I BEAT THE ||RADIENCE||

[stray plover]

guys I NEED HELP
idk if this is more steam help or hk help but I need it
cuz I play on my laptop w my ps5 controller connected
and at first I kept disconnecting randomly
now its fine...with that
but now it started to constantly start ignoring input for 2 seconds

like
out of the blue
w nothing interfering

[zenith flower]

That sounds odd

[stray plover]

I dont touch the trackpad
I dont have any periferals

I am losing it 🥲

[bitter anvil]

Sigma

[zenith flower]

Thanks

I used a build with the ||weaverlings|| and ||grimmchild|| for ray

[stray plover]

HELLO?!??!

[sage smelt]

still need it?

[stray plover]

I cant anymo

[sage smelt]

idk how to help sorry I use keyboard and mouse

[exotic wharf]

that's probably a controller issue

[simple island]

Is your controller like… charged ?

[stray plover]

yes

[simple island]

Is it plugged in or via Bluetooth ?

[exotic wharf]

is it an issue only with hollow knight or everywhere

[stray plover]

when it was Bluetooth it was the same
plugged in
same

[stray plover]

idk tbh

[sonic moss]

I know a friend with a similar issue, still not fixed actually
he switched controller, same issue

[stray plover]

I played portal 2 w it but it had the "randomly turn off" problem back then

[sonic moss]

only hk

[exotic wharf]

test it on other games

[simple island]

If you are on steam you want to fiddle with the steam native controller support

[sonic moss]

for my friend it wasnt a fix but I know for others it has been

[exotic wharf]

I recommend testing it again and if it's not fixed yet probably need a new one

[simple island]

Usually you want that to be off, but if you are having issues with hk’s native support you could turn it on

Also could it perhaps be something to do with your keyboard ?
Like is your keyboard maybe not inputting stuff at random ?

Because hk does have a 1 ish second delay when switching input method

[sonic moss]

interesting

[stray plover]

I turned off Steam's support and it just didnt work
cuz...I kinda need that for it to work-

[simple island]

If your trackpad is broken and moves on its own that would cause that sort of problem

[stray plover]

it aint it never did anything like this

[stray plover]

ill try

[simple island]

Ps5 should be natively supported by hk I think
Or maybe that’s only in the new beta

[stray plover]

says its not fsr
like it shows there for the full controller support
only xbox

[simple island]

My ps5 controller works fine with my game…

But yeah the new beta will have ps5 controller support, current doesn’t have

[sonic moss]

is the date for the beta confirmed

[simple island]

You could try switching over to the new beta, but honestly this doesn’t seem like an issue with hollow knight at all

The beta is available on steam rn

[sonic moss]

damn

[simple island]

?tag steambetas

[languid radish]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[simple island]

This is for modding so ignore the text

[stray plover]

ok

2 sec

[real nacelle]

||hey guys the stag animation just doesnt play when i try to travel somewhere and I dont really know why, can someone help me pls||

[stray plover]

checked on betas

it says none

[bitter anvil]

Is 12 max ||notches||

Or 11

[halcyon trench]

11

[bitter anvil]

Ok

[sonic moss]

is your game modded

there is some qol mod that does that

[stray plover]

@simple island should I switch to public beta?

[real nacelle]

yeah i have randomizer on

[sonic moss]

it may be that, but unsure

[real nacelle]

lemme try turning it off

[bright hamlet]

What ||charms|| am I missing

Apart from ||elegy||

[real nacelle]

sporeshroom

[bright hamlet]

And where can I find it?

[real nacelle]

and ||lifeblood core||

gimme a sec

[halcyon trench]

||sporeshroom which is near the place where you enter deepnest from fungal wastes and life blood core which is in the abyss(you need to have 16 lifebood hearts im pretty sure so equip both the lifeblood related charms)||

[real nacelle]

@bright hamlet

[bright hamlet]

That helps, thanks to you both

[real nacelle]

its 14 hearts btw

[mental fable]

How do I get a girlfriend
Asking for a friend

[real nacelle]

you need a life first

then go to your local orphanage and adopt one

[mental fable]

[halcyon trench]

ah mb'

[mental fable]

But then life have a kid

I ain’t ready to be a dad 😔

[halcyon trench]

thats the neat part, you dont

[mental fable]

Awww

[vale osprey]

what build should i use??

[real nacelle]

||if you want nail build go mark of pride steady body compass, if you want spell build go shaman stone spell twister compass||

just my opinion

[vale osprey]

ty

[real nacelle]

also where did u get ||soul eater||

[vale osprey]

idk

[real nacelle]

bruh

[vagrant path]

do ||bindings|| affect ||endings||

[real nacelle]

no

i dont think so

probably not

[halcyon trench]

||you break the grave thing in resting ground||

[real nacelle]

for ||soul eater||?

[halcyon trench]

yup

[real nacelle]

thx

[bright hamlet]

Uhhhhh what?

[real nacelle]

dont use ||hiveblood|| i think

[acoustic sigil]

||You need 1 more cause you have joni's||

Don't ask why

[real nacelle]

wait do u have ||fragile heart||? i think use that

[bright hamlet]

OH YEAH GOOD IDEA

[bright hamlet]

I thought I would have to do ||dwlicate flower||

[acoustic sigil]

||No you always also just have gotten the cocoons around hallownest||

[real nacelle]

what does ||flower quest|| give you anyway?

[bright hamlet]

||mask shard I think||

[old condor]

a ||mask shard||

[real nacelle]

omg i only need ||1 more||... no way i have to do all of that😭

[bright hamlet]

Good luck 💀

[worldly pelican]

hey what channel has mod installation instructions, im watching fireborns video but its a bit outdated i think since i dont see a mod general section

[halcyon trench]

||also, if you get it, at the crossroads, go left before going to the right||

[real nacelle]

js download ||lumafly||

[acoustic sigil]

#modding-discussion

See the pins there

[halcyon trench]

yup, thats the last one. you can do it pretty easy if you plan out the route beforehand

[real nacelle]

do u guys have like a ||good route i can use||

[bright hamlet]

Holup I saw a video, it is really good

[worldly pelican]

alr will do

[real nacelle]

||umm can you specify pls i havent found it||

[worldly pelican]

mods wont mess with an already existing save if its just simple stuff right?

[real nacelle]

||if ur downloading a mod like randomizer it wont affect any existing saves||

[bright hamlet]

||https://youtu.be/Qy8CaFEXS2c?si=-iio4m3z5IOKbYYw||

[bright hamlet]

@real nacelle

[real nacelle]

thx ghostiee

||which mod are u downloading specifically|| @worldly pelican

[worldly pelican]

i was gonna download lumafly for the boss healthbars

assuming it has that

[old condor]

it does and its fine

[real nacelle]

yeah dw

[worldly pelican]

alr cool

whats it called i cant find it in the search

[real nacelle]

||enemyHPbar||

[worldly pelican]

k thanks

[real nacelle]

i think

[old condor]

enemyhpbar , but you'll have to modify it to remove it from regular enemies to just bosses , also there is a literal whole youtube guide on the mods

[worldly pelican]

yep thats it

[halcyon trench]

sorry for the sloppy work but you get the idea

[worldly pelican]

k

[real nacelle]

thanks

[bright hamlet]

Oh and pick ||shaman and mop for charms, useful for sniping enemies||

And ||set a dreamgate||

[real nacelle]

||mop||?

[old condor]

||mark of pride||

[halcyon trench]

hope this helps?

[real nacelle]

thank you guys

ill trey tomorrow cuz im too lazy today

[smoky sundial]

Hello can anyone tell me a

charm

loadout for

||Hollow knight and Radiance||

||I'm using strength+shaman+quick slash||

What should be the last 2 used for

[halcyon trench]

I would suggest ||spell twister or long nail||

[stray plover]

guys istf why cant I enjoy the game i bought bc of A FUCKIN GLITCH THAT CONSTANTLY MAKES MY CONTROLLER STOP WORKINH

I DIED COUNTLESS TIMES BC OF THIS FFS IT ONLY HAPPENS ON HK I TRIED EVERYTHING IT ATILL.HAPPRNS

[halcyon trench]

oh fuck its still happening?

[stray plover]

yES

I TRIED PIBLIC BETA DIDNT WORK

DEAFULT CONTROLLER SETTINGS DIDNT WORL

idk

idkf

I am losing it :3

[halcyon trench]

i wish i could help you with that but i primarily use keyboard for hk

[stray plover]

I genuinely have no idea why it does this
ONLY on HK

[exotic wharf]

just use a keyboard

you don't even need a mouse

[stray plover]

..

sybau

[exotic wharf]

[stray plover]

anywys

[halcyon trench]

there could be a reddit thread or some kinda vid on yt addressing this issue so try looking it up?

[bright hamlet]

Gang tips for the worst boss to ever exist, ||nosk on ascended||

[stray plover]

I canr find anything on it

and what i do find that looks...kinda
similar
it tells me to do the same sh I already did

[halcyon trench]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1n909mc/my_controller_stop_working_periodically_every_few/||,||https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1l91jrw/can_someone_help_me/||,||https://steamcommunity.com/app/1030300/discussions/0/546746241084742238/||

[halcyon trench]

some stuff i found that sound similar to your problem, idk if they help ya

[stray plover]

so 1st is shady
2nd is...kinda the same a small problem
3rd is plausible...cuz I run hk on 380 fps

[halcyon trench]

try capping fps then, maybe that can help

[stray plover]

ok im back....it just says frame cap on

😭

like what's the cap?

imma try to cap it from nvidia

....nevermind it doesn't even recognize it

ok just entered the config file

.....my fps cap is 400

😭

dear fucking god imma put it to 120 its good enough in my opinion

ok fsr it doesn't work

[stable shale]

||i beat the hollow knight some time ago, and i wanna get the other endings. but before that, i've seen some people have like dark versions of the spells? how can i get those?||

[stray plover]

but Vsync limits it to 144

[idle yoke]

They're upgrades, find them

If you want, I could list the locations and/or give hints

[stable shale]

hints would be appreciated 🤔

[idle yoke]

oh shit

Hang on

[simple island]

One of ´em is in ||peaks
One of em is in city,|| behind a locked door

[idle yoke]

||1. In a sanctum
2. In caves up high
3. At the bottom of the world||

[simple island]

But out of curiosity, just how much of the game you’ve explored ? Because the base ending can be gotten with very few equipment
A screenshot of your inventory and ||zoomed out map could help||

[stray plover]

doenst work

smar isse

za.d

ixjmx

same issue

[crude cliff]

Any ||watcher knights|| tips?
||lurien is the last dreamer|| I dont have yet
||I already dropped the chandelier||

[idle yoke]

Absolutely spam the ||downward spell||, as healing is not viable when there are 2 on the field

[crude cliff]

The whole
No healing is what makes hk feel harder than ss
Combined with less movement

Thanks for the tip

Also
||I have 1 nail upgrade and 1 ore (from the seer)||
Should I look for more of those?

[idle yoke]

Yes

[crude cliff]

Interesting
I feel I did already explore a lot

[idle yoke]

I REALLY don't reccomend beating the game with only 1 upgrade

[crude cliff]

Understandable

Well, I got the free upgrade and 1

[idle yoke]

Ah, that's better

[crude cliff]

And 1 ||ore||

[idle yoke]

But still

[crude cliff]

I did get all maps according to an achievement

[idle yoke]

Nice

[crude cliff]

But I should be able to find more ||ore||?

Nice to know

[idle yoke]

If you've got all the abilities

You just gotta look

[crude cliff]

Ty

I am removing this channel from my channel list again to avoid any spoilers
If you have anything to add
Ping

[modest kestrel]

How do I get this

[native tinsel]

Go via the room ||under you||

[dark valve]

go down and around

[dark valve]

||ddark spam||

[crude cliff]

||I dont have any dark spells||

[modest kestrel]

This ??

[crude cliff]

||only the 3 normal ones||

[modest kestrel]

Explore more and get those or || stronger nail and another tip Try to pogo the knight to dodge them ||

[modest kestrel]

Help pls

[crude cliff]

Pogo is fun until they jump

I cant risk that the whole fight I feel

Especially if there is no heal window

[pliant moon]

What do you really want help with , I'm confused 🤔

[modest kestrel]

There are a lot heal window

[crude cliff]

But more exploring is always fun

[modest kestrel]

This

Yes

[pliant moon]

That ||grub?||

[modest kestrel]

Don't stay in corner also

[modest kestrel]

Yes sir

[pliant moon]

Ohhh just go right in the ||deepnest|| area ,its behind a breakable wall

[modest kestrel]

Oo

Ok

[stray plover]

1. beyond my expertise
   rlly hard to install and shady af
2. it just doesn't work
   had it enabled all this time
3. normal FPS cap just doesn't work and VSync limits fps but does nothing abt the issue

[pliant moon]

Basically smack all the wall you see when you reach close

[wet patrol]

||how do i get void heart||

[pliant moon]

Do you want the exact location?

[pliant moon]

Or just a hint?

[wet patrol]

yeah sure

||i alr got kingsoul and the shriek||

[pliant moon]

||Equip king soul and go to the abyss all the way down||

[stray plover]

last ditch effort
launching it in Big Picture Mode

[pliant moon]

You should see it immediately

[wet patrol]

aight thx

[stray plover]

....still doesnt work

[proud grail]

I'm always doing fine until the ||preagnat|| attack does me 8 ||masks|| every time

I hate ||nkg||💔

[stray plover]

its even worse than before

anyone has any other ideas pLeAsS

😭

[solemn zealot]

There is a pattern to that attack

Well not completely

Every 4th wave, t||he fireballs|| are always at the bottom and the middle

That's the only pattern you need to know for the attack

This is for both ||grimm and nkg||

[proud grail]

I get it in the first 2nd 3rd and 4th

[solemn zealot]

That's just luck. 4th, 8th and 12th wave is guaranteed tho

[proud grail]

Damn

[modest kestrel]

Where is this

[pliant moon]

It's in ||crystal peaks||

[solemn zealot]

Either breakable roof from ||crossroads or breakable wall on the very right in the image of crystal peaks||

I'm p sure you can't go down.

[solemn zealot]

Where the spikes are shown

[pliant moon]

||While crystal dashing through that area in crystal peaks , there is a small area where you can go down||

[pliant moon]

Nop that's wrong

[solemn zealot]

Oh? Oh ok

[dense torrent]

its the ||breakable|| wall behind the ||miner enemy|| i think

in the room directly to the right of the ||grub||

[solemn zealot]

I'd check but I'm in a bus rn

[pliant moon]

Guys look at the ||hollow knight|| mark in the map , on his right horn like thing there is a way down but it's being half hidden by that symbol

The ||grub|| is down there

[thick wing]

||when going thorugh at one of the points is a breakble wall from where u can go down and free the grub||

[pliant moon]

Yepp

[thick wing]

wym 🐌

i js came

[solemn zealot]

Ohh yeah i see

[modest kestrel]

How can I see my game percentage

??

[halcyon trench]

how far are you into the game?

[modest kestrel]

|| at the end can go and kill the sun but I am doing grim dlc and also In steel soul if we die to the sun do we lose and not ?||

[halcyon trench]

||you do die if you die to the sun unfortunately... and you can unlock the ability to see percentage by reading the tablet inside the black egg temple||

[modest kestrel]

Seriously man even in || steel soul and thanks ||

|| what about In God home ||

[proud grail]

I beated||nkg||

[halcyon trench]

||yup... i would consider practicing him in a different save(you can always save and quit if you're about to die, no shame in it)||

[proud grail]

Finnaly😭

[halcyon trench]

nah thats fine

[gilded jay]

Bro idk which one im missing 😭 ||mender bug will increase it by one||

[halcyon trench]

yooo good job!!

[proud grail]

Ty❤️

It only took 3 hours

[modest kestrel]

Yeah thanks

[halcyon trench]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/s2bsge/i_made_a_list_of_all_the_enemies_you_need_for_the/||

[halcyon trench]

this can help

[gilded jay]

i was looking at the wiki

||https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hunter's_Journal_(Hollow_Knight)#Hunter's_Journal_entries||

[halcyon trench]

thats also viable

[halcyon trench]

impressive

[vague fern]

Use a save file checker

True completion analyzer is probably the easiest

[gilded jay]

it was ||charmed lumafly bro||

[vale osprey]

how do i wake him

[vague fern]

Hit the chains

[dire vapor]

Does ||d dive help with the spikes hornet uses||

[vale osprey]

what charms should i use for final boss

[acoustic sigil]

It always helps

[acoustic sigil]

||Replace compass with soul catcher||

Other than that, just try the boss

[vale osprey]

tyy

[regal estuary]

is this all i can get?

[dense torrent]

no

youre missing 2

[regal estuary]

i get all from shop how to get more

got*

[dense torrent]

have you done ||grimm troupe||

[regal estuary]

idk what that is lol

dont think so then

ohh dlc nah

thx

[dense torrent]

the other one ur missing could be pretty random

[proud grail]

Ty❤️❤️❤️❤️

[pulsar plume]

how much money is needed to get ||unbreakable heart||?

[hollow sluice]

hi akari

[strange gust]

12000

[hollow sluice]

i have an question is the dlc free?

[strange gust]

yes

[hollow sluice]

like does it come within the game?

[strange gust]

its already installed

[pulsar plume]

thats 3 more fights in the || colo||😭

[hollow sluice]

and what is hollow knight gods and nightmares?

??

like i mean this

[hollow sluice]

does this contain ||absolute radiance||

or is it in the base game

[pulsar plume]

||abs radiance|| is not in base game you need to buy a dlc

and i feel like that is it

[hollow sluice]

so i need to pay the 2 dollars?

[pulsar plume]

ig if u wanna

[tall fern]

whats a good build for ||hornet|| second fight

[orchid flower]

Hold on

[orchid flower]

Yes she is

Don’t go telling people to waste their money

[pulsar plume]

really?

[dense torrent]

dlcs are free

[pulsar plume]

he just said he needs to pay 2 dollars

[orchid flower]

This is just the soundtrack

[pulsar plume]

soundtrack for 2 dollars??

damn

[orchid flower]

Its just the DLC tracks im p sure

[runic island]

hk dlc is free, the ost isn't tho

[orchid flower]

But yeah this isn’t needed for any ingame content

[hollow sluice]

i mean no the dlc is 2 dollars for me

the sound track is idk how much

[tall fern]

what charms do i use for ||hornet|| second fight

[orchid flower]

This is the soundtrack

This page you’re on right now

The DLC is built into the game

[hollow sluice]

it is 2 dollars my currency

[orchid flower]

Because it’s the soundtrack

[runic island]

Gods and Nightmares is the soundtrack for the dlc

[orchid flower]

It’s very common for video game soundtracks to be for sale

[pulsar plume]

its the soundtrack

[hollow sluice]

is ||path of pain in dlc or main game||

[smoky sundial]

||what charms should I use to kill radiance and tips too anyone?||

[orchid flower]

DLC

[runic island]

the dlc is more like free content updates

[orchid flower]

Use ur ||shaman stone abyss shrieks|| a lot, speeds the fight right up

[hollow sluice]

so to beat the ||path of pain i need to pay 2 dollar to buy gods and nightmares?||

[smoky sundial]

The thing is tho i can't get soul

Cause I use it on the ||hk||

[runic island]

no

[pulsar plume]

no bro

[smoky sundial]

then there isn't left for ||radiance||

[proud forge]

you just buy the game and thats it nothing else to buy no dlc

[orchid flower]

No omg

I’ve told you like 10 times

[smoky sundial]

can anyone help me to conserve soul

[orchid flower]

This is not the dlc

[smoky sundial]

||for radiance||

[hollow sluice]

so ill be able to fight ||absolute radiance|| without spending any money?

[runic island]

exactly

[orchid flower]

Yes

[hollow sluice]

sorry im confused 😭

[pulsar plume]

you can use ||Spell twister||

[orchid flower]

Steam sometimes lists official soundtrack purchases as DLC

[hollow sluice]

ALR so what i have instaled is the way to fight like the ||vampire queen and like the penthathelons and like absolute radiance YES?||

[orchid flower]

because it is technically downloadable content

[hollow sluice]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

[hollow sluice]

if u say yes to this ill be fullfilled

[pulsar plume]

penthathelons😭 from now on im calling them that

[orchid flower]

DLC is a misnomer used by this community for what really was just updates to the game

[hollow sluice]

lol

[solemn zealot]

Penthathelons

[orchid flower]

These are fascinating ways of describing things but yes

[hollow sluice]

SO PLEASE ANWSEAR YES OR NO TO WHAT I SAID

[solemn zealot]

Lmao

[hollow sluice]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[solemn zealot]

Yes

[hollow sluice]

so i dont have to pay any money perfect

ty 😭

[solemn zealot]

Actually you do

[hollow sluice]

also hi again

[solemn zealot]

Jk

[hollow sluice]

what.

[orchid flower]

Hi!

[hollow sluice]

BRO IM .

[solemn zealot]

I'm kidding :3

[pulsar plume]

hes kidding

[hollow sluice]

i was about to crash out yo 😭

anyway ty for explaining :P

[solemn zealot]

[orchid flower]

No problem!

[hollow sluice]

ur a master rage baitter

[vapid crater]

can someone help me im stuck

[solemn zealot]

No I'm not lol

[hollow sluice]

ill be back in 10 mins cuz i need help with ||deepnest|| anyway cya for now

[solemn zealot]

Stuck in...?

[orchid flower]

I can if you’d let me know what’s troubling ya!

[pulsar plume]

in?

[vapid crater]

yay oki

[solemn zealot]

Aight cya (btw you have to pay additionally for the game)

@vapid crater use || on both ends of the message to spoiler

[pulsar plume]

?tag imp spoilers

[languid radish]

No tag imp found.

[pulsar plume]

how does that command work bruh

[polar flicker]

?tag imgspoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985794659894829117/1452442852545138910/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg?ex=6949d451&is=694882d1&hm=47a8c358d152398e5ae2d1065365b60d0ecc8f737cb5191a481557171d65ba6a&=&format=webp

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[pulsar plume]

?tag imp spoilers

[languid radish]

No tag imp found.

[solemn zealot]

Idk what you expect it to do

[vapid crater]

||hornet 2|| is the bane of my existance

[polar flicker]

Already did it

[pulsar plume]

this😭

[vapid crater]

does anyone have tips

like what charms to use

[polar flicker]

What u got ?

[solemn zealot]

Yeah show charms

[vapid crater]

am not gonna list all 26 of them T-T

[orchid flower]

U just gotta have those quick reactions and remain calm, it’s a big skill check for the late game battles

[orchid flower]

Take a picture haha

[polar flicker]

Then send a screenshot

[solemn zealot]

Yknow screenshots exist

[solemn zealot]

The fact that i have to fight ||hornet 2 on steel soul||

🥀

[polar flicker]

Just practice her

In another save

[solemn zealot]

It's technically cheating

[polar flicker]

Not rlly but if u say so

[solemn zealot]

• i would have max items there, it's not the same

[polar flicker]

|| do it on radiant then ||

|| or do it charm less on ascended ||

[solemn zealot]

And how would that help

[pulsar plume]

it would help you avoid any hits at all

[polar flicker]

Practice

[solemn zealot]

Or maybe just the charms that i have in the original run

[orchid flower]

Only time I ever died on ||Steel Soul|| was the ||Watcher Knights||

[pulsar plume]

thats actually a great tip tbh for all the bosses before fighting them just practice them on ||radiant or ascended||

[solemn zealot]

I still have an advantage there cuz of the max items. It would be different in ||steel soul||

[orchid flower]

After you do ||pantheons with all bindings|| the bosses are easy

[solemn zealot]

They aren't hard, just annoying imo

[pulsar plume]

not really, if u manage to beat her on ||Ascended charmless|| there would be no advantage

other then the masks

[solemn zealot]

You expect me to do ||p1-p4 all bindings?||

[orchid flower]

It’s quite fun

[solemn zealot]

I only did the first one

[solemn zealot]

Fun = fucking hell

[orchid flower]

Noo it’s fun!!

[polar flicker]

Ehh each binding was fun but for me all bindings was too much of a slog

[vapid crater]

ok im not at my pc anymore but i made a pic

[solemn zealot]

||pure Nail:
Upgraded abilities:
Soul vessels:
More masks:||

[pulsar plume]

hmmmm ig i gotta try some of that fun

[orchid flower]

I would use ||mark of pride|| but whatever else is fine

[polar flicker]

||Ascended and radiant have more hp , u could also get the upgrades||

[solemn zealot]

Except ||abyss shriek||

[polar flicker]

|| how many notches||

[solemn zealot]

As i need ||kings brand||

[vapid crater]

8

[pulsar plume]

||pure nail|| doesnt matter becasue if u beat her in ||ascended|| she'll be faster and harder and when you try to fight her on the actual save it'll be easier

[solemn zealot]

To get it

[solemn zealot]

True...

[pulsar plume]

also i just said do it without any ||abilities and use only the cahrms you have currently||

[polar flicker]

|| abyss shriek isn't that needed hornet 2 ye shade cloak is a loss ||

[solemn zealot]

But eh, it's a matter to worry about another time

I didn't even reach ||fungal wastes yet||

🥀

[hollow sluice]

BRO WHAT

[solemn zealot]

Ohh aight I'll try

[hollow sluice]

SO DO I HAVE TO PAY OR NOT 😭

[solemn zealot]

No, i was kidding for the 2nd time 🥀

I didn't think you'd fall for it again xd

[hollow sluice]

im not trusting u ever again.

[solemn zealot]

Yeah ||shade cloak ||would be very nice but um, yeah...

[solemn zealot]

It's a joke, not a lie.

:3

Herb is cooking something up

[polar flicker]

|| strength shaman and soul catcher

Strength soul catcher and heart

Strength soul catcher and mark of pride

Strength soul catcher heart and steady body ||

[vague fern]

[polar flicker]

Try any of those combos

[orchid flower]

Just trust what I said haha

[unborn wigeon]

||deepnest|| is going to be the death of me

[dense torrent]

dont worry its not as bad as people make it seem