hk-help

[dense coral]

||all you do is dodge until you find an opening to shoot jellyfish and then you can kill it||

[gusty thistle]

do i still fight ||zote|| in ||p3|| i didnt find him in ||deepnest||

[thick wing]

||Have all upgraded spells||

[muted burrow]

where do i go in ||infected crossroads||??

[native tinsel]

I’m find the ||exploding enemies very annoying and it’s hard to hit uumuu with those enemies||

[dense coral]

||zote is understandable, sly is only hard the first time around||

[native tinsel]

Nowhere

[dense coral]

||If you have not fought grey prince zote ever you will not meet him||

[muted burrow]

oh ._.

[dim drum]

You just have to hit them correctly to explode on ||Uumuu||

[gusty thistle]

oh ok

[dim drum]

Or use ||spells||

[dark valve]

he's like a toddler with a big stick

[native tinsel]

The map is the same, it’s just more ||annoying||

[gusty thistle]

no, some paths are blocked

[muted burrow]

got it

[native tinsel]

Thats what I was trying to do…

[thick wing]

||Blocked part of the stag's Salubra Loc btw||

[dark valve]

no

[native tinsel]

Yes but no ||new parts||

[thick wing]

||(imo I.Crossroads Annoying tbh||

[dark valve]

idk what team cherry was thinking when they decided to block off some passages

[native tinsel]

It could be worse

[thick wing]

||Making it even harder to get to Salubra, of course.||

||Im forgot buy last charm notch on salubra||

[dark valve]

the blyat bro

[ornate jewel]

Is the amount of staggers needed to kill ||Failed champion|| always the same?

[dark valve]

i think but idk

[native tinsel]

I think so

And use the glitch

If you didn’t already

[thick wing]

||Stagger 4-6 times then let it set in place||

[dark valve]

its the one boss where ||staggers equal health

[dark valve]

what glitch

[thick wing]

||dream nail and hit armor||

[native tinsel]

6 times???? I had like 3 ||staggers in p4||

[thick wing]

||Dream world||

[dark valve]

oh thats a glitch alr

[thick wing]

||Hot take: hornet sentinel is easy||

||Im just walk into her and spam slash||

[native tinsel]

Not if you fight her for the first time

[dark valve]

you're talking to the person who took 173 tries to kill ||hornet protecter||. she is not easy

[dark valve]

||after you get cloak she's easier, but still kinda tough||

[thick wing]

||I passed it in 7 tries, my build is Quick Slash Stalwart Shell Grubsong Thorns of Agony||

||when fighting her||

[native tinsel]

You get ||shade cloak from defeating hornet 2…||

[dark valve]

i see ||grubsong, so thats a good build, but where's shape of unn||

[thick wing]

||I was using souls to heal every time I staggered her||

[dark valve]

ik

[dark valve]

fair but ||unn solos||

[thick wing]

||Im don't have Isma's Tear||

[dark valve]

bro how are you fighting bosses without it

[native tinsel]

||Unn is soo good mid game. But in end game bosses and pantheons it’s kinda ahh||

[dark valve]

its the best ||charm||

[thick wing]

||Wings and Dash||

||Enough for me||

[thick wing]

||Isn't that ability?||

[dark valve]

it carried me during ||nkg and radiant sob||

[native tinsel]

You technically don’t need ||isma tear to beat the game||

[dark valve]

||i was talking about the charm shape of unn not tear||

[thick wing]

||Isma's Tear Consumed on description||

[dark valve]

but for 112

[thick wing]

Oh k

[thick wing]

yeah

[dark valve]

sry i wasn't clear

[dark valve]

i only got tear after getting ||radiance ending||

i didn't realize how much i was missing without ||unn||

[thick wing]

||I'll try Tas skip but it's pretty hard to do.||

[dark valve]

why not just beat dung

he's pretty easy

[thick wing]

Lazy and save||simple key||

[dark valve]

you'll get more they're all over the place

[thick wing]

||Okay, okay, I'll take it the normal way.||

[dark valve]

also you unlock the rest of ||waterways||

[thick wing]

||U just get a charm gang but charm is still strong (flukemarm's charm)||

||2 hits into watchers||

[dark valve]

i mean you might be able to skip it by going though ||basin and doing a pixel perfect skip, but idk||

[thick wing]

||I'm already trying that out||

[dark valve]

also you unlock ||godhome||

[dark valve]

damn

[thick wing]

||It's pretty hard to do||

[vague fern]

cant you go from || kingdoms edge || to enter || royal waterways ||

[thick wing]

||I will enter Isma's Grove directly from Ancient Basin||

[dark valve]

well yh its a pixel perfect skip ofc its hard

[thick wing]

||And pogo dash is not working I try with spell||

[remote crypt]

can sm1 help me abt a mod

[thick wing]

#1057825333841240104

[remote crypt]

no ones on gng

[vague fern]

what mod

[remote crypt]

im resorting to ts

[remote crypt]

WHAT IF

[dark valve]

depends what mod

[remote crypt]

my friend

uses my acc

[thick wing]

Multi Player?

[remote crypt]

steam acc

and then

[thick wing]

and?

[remote crypt]

we play multiplayer

with HIS save file

and MY save file

[thick wing]

Just download Multiplayer like Fireborn's Manhunts

[remote crypt]

so what im sayin is

[dark valve]

idk bro go to mod help they're the nerds idk about this shit

[remote crypt]

were using 1 acc

steam acc

[thick wing]

fr

they are nerds

[dark valve]

#1057825333841240104

[thick wing]

obesses

[errant arch]

||just got the voidheart for the first time ever||

[dark valve]

nice

[thick wing]

||congratulations now your siblings dont attack you||

[errant arch]

yeah yippee

[dark valve]

also i hope you already killed ||thk bc you got locked out of an ending||

[errant arch]

yeah i did

[dark valve]

ok good

[errant arch]

you mean the basic ||kill the dreamers nothing else one?|| because yes

[thick wing]

||I'm going to to Deepnest now after getting Sharp Shadow because with the 40% range increase I'll probably go into tunnels||

[native tinsel]

In this server you either hate or love ||sharp shadow||

[dark valve]

lol true

[thick wing]

||Im used that charm in my old save its great tbh||

[vague fern]

you either hate it or you're silly

[dark valve]

its one of those niche charms

[vague fern]

its niche in the sense that SOMETIMES it wont ruin the fight

not that its good

[dark valve]

like its decent for like ||traitor lord|| and thats it

[vague fern]

it just isnt though

[native tinsel]

I kinda hate it since most parkours ||are made for normal range dash and the damage is not worth 2 notches||

[thick wing]

||Its carry PV,TL,NKG Fights||

||Even nosk tho||

[vague fern]

all the top players would rather no charm than it

[vague fern]

yeah, no

[thick wing]

||Done forget watcher Knights||

[native tinsel]

You haven’t done ||pv|| twin

[vague fern]

none of those fights would be better with it

[dark valve]

||it does not help in nkg||

[vague fern]

thats outrageous

[thick wing]

||U can see on internet damn||

[vague fern]

and ive done him r04^5 first try, i can tell you its not good

[dark valve]

||pv maybe bc of the extra range||

[vague fern]

not at all

[native tinsel]

Yeah, most people on the internet say bad things

[thick wing]

||its ragebait on nkg||

[vague fern]

google also told someone there was 12 || notches ||

[dark valve]

wat je suis confused

[native tinsel]

Lmao

[dark valve]

I was there when it happened, can comfirm

[thick wing]

||Isn't 11?||

[vague fern]

there is no boss its better than not having it, there are some it wont mess you up || like radiant watcher, oro and mato || whatever but its still not better

[vague fern]

thats the point

[native tinsel]

Yes that’s the pint

Point

[vague fern]

it isnt the worst in the game but its definitely close

and the better you get the more you realise that

[thick wing]

||Great on Nosk because you can get through it||

[native tinsel]

||Glowing womb|| is better micheal

[vague fern]

|| thorns || is lowk worse

[dark valve]

||if you have 2 notches put on unn||

[vague fern]

but why wouldnt you just pogo

2 slots for equal or less dmg

[dark valve]

you loose iv frames with it

[vague fern]

|| or twister, or catcher, or sbody nmg etc etc, exactly ||

[thick wing]

||hm actually smart||

[vague fern]

i used it for || rad watchers || and thats because i wasnt good at them

nothing else

[dark valve]

gtgnow guys cyall

[thick wing]

cya

[dense coral]

what charm we talking about

[thick wing]

||Sharp shadow||

[dense coral]

o

it's cool vs like ||traitor lord or watcher knights that's about it||

[thick wing]

||Probably Spell Twister its best||

[vague fern]

agreed

[vague fern]

where is this || tl s shadow || thing coming from

[thick wing]

||Because if you hit 2 times, you have the potential to cast spells directly. ||

[thick wing]

Slam attack

I forgot name

[dense coral]

you can ||dash through slam and lunge||

It's obviously not needed but it helps if there's skill issue

[vague fern]

slam?

like roof attack

[thick wing]

||And u can dash through him when he's dash||

||Into you||

[dense coral]

yeah that

when he jumps and comes down

[vague fern]

if you stand still he misses, so just stand still and || shriek ||

idk whyd you'd move, letalone || dash ||

[dense coral]

wait does it not just come down at your location

[vague fern]

if you're close to him he misses

if you're far dunno

shouldnt be far anyways

[dense coral]

hm ok yea maybe ||sshadow useless then||

[thick wing]

im saying this attack but u can||dash through him for chip damage when he dash into you||

[vague fern]

and for the lunge attack, you cant get a hit afterwards bc extra distance so its just equal dmg. but both options are worse than jumping over him and hitting his back

[vague fern]

it doesnt do anything more there, no dmg and the range doesnt matter if you can time the || dash || within like 3 seconds

[thick wing]

||Here you can deal small damage with sharp shadow.||

[dense coral]

||I also tried using it vs nkg and it was fun just dashing through his lunge lol. Not saying that's optimal but it's funny||

[vague fern]

same damage as normal || dash || through and less than simply jumping over him and hitting his back

[vague fern]

yeah no its a fun charm, only issue is when people say its good, not fun

[dense coral]

oh yeah definitely

[thick wing]

Who doesn't want extra damage?

[vague fern]

everyone does. so jump over him and dont use || s shadow || 😭

[thick wing]

||I'll only use it for Isma's Grove tunnel anyway||

[vague fern]

its good for exploring

just bc quicker movement

[thick wing]

||Dash Master better if u want movement||

[vague fern]

you can have both on yk

[thick wing]

||4 Charm Notches||

||That combo even bigger than best charms||

||Like Q.Slash,Shaman Stone or etc||

[vague fern]

yeah but those charms arent useful when exploring

[thick wing]

||Shaman is||

[vague fern]

luckily you got another 7 slots spare'

[thick wing]

||U can oneshot small enemies with shade soul||

[vague fern]

|| dmaster s shadow shaman strength compass || works

[thick wing]

||Im dont exploring im just get ismas tear and defeat uumuu and kill monomon||

||And kill other dreamers||

[vague fern]

i know.. thats not what i was talking about

[thick wing]

ik

||But you don't need to do that much exploring||

||Btw actually stalwart shell goated in hornet sentinel cheese||

||I'll post my progress||

||(Forgot get glowing womb and others charms)||

[urban lake]

Ive unlocked ||Shade soul, ive done ancient basin, royal waterways, and ive just done kingdom edge with the second hornet fight, im kinda confused on what to do now, can sm1 help?||

[prime hound]

go to the ||ancient basin, youll find something there||

[urban lake]

where exactly?

[prime hound]

right to the down

[urban lake]

like near ||hidden station||

[prime hound]

yes

[urban lake]

preciate u

[prime hound]

once unobtainable location can now be unlocked

[urban lake]

do you mean this area?

[prime hound]

omg thats my fault sry, can u show map

ima show u

u should follow

u are on the left side rn

[urban lake]

ty

[carmine surge]

hi

[prime hound]

?

[urban lake]

||is shade cloak all thats down in abyss? i got it tysm||

[prime hound]

go right

LEFT

LEFT

LEFT

LEFT NOW

[urban lake]

past the ||light house left?||

[lethal siren]

bro calm down

[prime hound]

like the whole place left

[flint gull]

I think he might want you to go left

[vague fern]

far left of the whole region

[urban lake]

ive gotten to here

[prime hound]

now use the ||the hoWling wraiths||

[urban lake]

???

[prime hound]

||the up spell||

[carmine surge]

|| up spell ||

[prime hound]

@urban lake

[carmine surge]

It would be funny if he doesn't actually have it lol

[prime hound]

i thought of that lmao

[urban lake]

yea i kinda didnt so i got it and ty i got ||abyss shriek||

that it for the area?

[prime hound]

yes

[wooden jolt]

stuck in ||crystal peak||

anyone?

[shy dove]

leave

[wooden jolt]

haha

now where do I go

[unborn lynx]

How do I beat ||lost kin||

[cosmic gull]

Charms?

[unborn lynx]

Nvm I did beat him

[dense coral]

Did you find a certain movement ability?

[wooden jolt]

ye

||super dash||

[dense coral]

Do you remember where ||cornifer was||

(to the left)

[wooden jolt]

I ve already gone to || howling cliffs||

I think that's what they're called

[dense coral]

||cdash to the left of where cornifer was, after that part you end up at dirtmouth||

[wooden jolt]

but found nothing there so came back to ||crystal peak||

[pine zinc]

W build for ||watcher knights||?

[wooden jolt]

ik

[dense coral]

then how're you stuck

did you go ||resting grounds?||

did you ||climb to the top?||

[cosmic gull]

@pine zinc good enough

Unequip the useless||shaman sthough||

[pine zinc]

Aight bet

[dark valve]

I GOT 112

I DID IT

YESSSSS

[hushed folio]

Gg

[cosmic gull]

Nah ||compass is good shaman useless|| @dark valve

[unborn lynx]

How do I beat ||bee prince||

[cosmic gull]

Have you got any specific attacks you can't do

[dark valve]

||grubsong is better tho||

[unborn lynx]

I have ||all spells||

[cosmic gull]

Nah it's close but when it comes to combat nothing beats ||compass||

[cosmic gull]

Any attacks you can't dodge though

[unborn lynx]

The spikes

[zinc thistle]

i cant go there yet right

[simple island]

Looks like it

[cosmic gull]

Understandable remember he waits a bit and just stand still

[unborn lynx]

You have to get ||crystal heart||

[unborn lynx]

Thanks

[cosmic gull]

Equipment screenshot

[zinc thistle]

ight

[unborn lynx]

||Charms?||

[cosmic gull]

Inventory as well

[main cliff]

||where should I go after I killed hornet?||

[unborn lynx]

Which ||hornet||

[main cliff]

||in hollow Knight. Not silksong||

[unborn lynx]

Yeah I know in ||greenpath or kingdoms edge||

[main cliff]

||greenpath||

Why ||acid|| is spoiler?

[unborn lynx]

Just avoid ||acid|| and go back

[unborn lynx]

Idk

[cosmic gull]

||keep shade dash for the bees and spikes||

[unborn lynx]

Thanks

[main cliff]

Ok, what's next

[unborn lynx]

Idk

[brazen vine]

explore

you'd find a new area eventually

[zinc thistle]

where should i go after ||greenpath||

[vague fern]

what boss ???

[unborn lynx]

I got ||hiveblood||

[main cliff]

||I've already studied the entire map, I can't go to another location anywhere||

[vague fern]

|| you can go down from greenpath if you want ||

[main cliff]

||yes, but everywhere there is closed||

[dark valve]

you're fine you have ||grubsong but maybe put on unn||

[dark valve]

same reason ||nonsenf|| is

[sonic moss]

show me your map pls?

also morning chat

[dark valve]

good afternoon my friend

[main cliff]

Ok

[inland shadow]

||You have cloak? If so there is an entrance to another area somewhere in dirtmouth||

[sonic moss]

send the whole thing btw all areas map

[cosmic gull]

||hive knight d||

[main cliff]

Good morning) i have 12:38

[dark valve]

||hive knight||*

[sonic moss]

bro is 2 hours ahead of me

[vague fern]

hmm

[dark valve]

same here

[cosmic gull]

Do you have better advice

[wooden jolt]

what's the best way to farm geo

not that far into the game

[vague fern]

Show map

[dark valve]

show map

[wooden jolt]

I can go anywhere

[vague fern]

It doesnt matter if its not || hog || so eh

[dark valve]

||spam abyss shriek and ddark it solos every fight||

[vague fern]

|| hoppers in kedge is the best. If you wanna you can do colo 2 or failed tramway though ||

[wooden jolt]

didn't understand a word

[dark valve]

||colo 2 if def the best way||

[wooden jolt]

||pre resting grounds||

[sonic moss]

to be fair ||hive knight|| became a lot easier for me when I saw it like ||hornet||, very similar moveset

[cosmic gull]

Not without some plan to not get hit in downtime of invinc

[wooden jolt]

sorry

[cosmic gull]

I can see that

[dark valve]

show ur map

[dark valve]

the plan is to dodge.

[cosmic gull]

Yes but how

[vague fern]

|| ddark || is the strat for || hiveknight ||

[wooden jolt]

don't get how this would help

[cosmic gull]

I didn't need it for ||radiant soooo||

[sonic moss]

you can dodge 80% of ||hive knight|| moveset by jumping over it tbh

[cosmic gull]

Yep

[vague fern]

Doesnt change the fact its easier and quicker to do with

You can also do it blindfolded, eyes still help

[dark valve]

the full thing

[dark valve]

by moving out of the way of their attacks

it works trust

[cosmic gull]

But there's more too it than it

[wooden jolt]

??

[vague fern]

It was originally in response to spike n || bee || attack

Both are which are || ddarked || ideally

[dark valve]

like your full map

the one in your inventory when you click shift

or whatever your keybind for it is

[cosmic gull]

I didn't catch that intention

[rapid arch]

||can somebody help me find dreamer ||

[dark valve]

which one?

[rapid arch]

||after broken vessel||

[dark valve]

which ||dreamer|| tho

thats a boss not one of them

[rapid arch]

||the one in city of tears||

[royal trellis]

||it's herrah the beast||

if i remember correctly

i have the game in french so i don't know the names of the places in english

[sonic moss]

show map :^)

[dark valve]

oh you need to go around

[ashen tiger]

can i still get a ||delicate flower after finishing the grey mourner's delicate flower quest||?

[dark valve]

no ||herrah is in deepnest the one in cot is lurien||

[dark valve]

yup from the grave

[royal trellis]

oh ok

i don't know the english names

[dark valve]

ah bonjour mon ami

[ashen tiger]

unlimited?

[dark valve]

oui

[royal trellis]

tu es français ?

[dark valve]

non canadien

[dark valve]

et toi?

[royal trellis]

ah ok

[royal trellis]

moi je suis français

[ashen tiger]

ah thanks

[dark valve]

npp

[zinc thistle]

guys how can i save more battery at school cuz whenever i play hk the battery goes down so fast

[dark valve]

Comment ca va?

[royal trellis]

Ca va bien et toi ?

[dark valve]

bien

[dark valve]

bring your charger thats what i do

[royal trellis]

Je peux te poser une question en français ?

or you prefer in english

[dark valve]

oui

[dark valve]

im more fluent in english but i can speak french

takes me a minute sometimes to understand tho

[royal trellis]

i can ask you in english too

[dark valve]

alr sure what you wanna ask

[royal trellis]

||is it normal i'm fighting the traitor lord without cloth|| ? bc a friend told me it's impossible

[dark valve]

no its possible

i did it

[vague fern]

its normal

[limber minnow]

Its possible and it's the best thing to do

[dark valve]

you just gotta fight him before saving her

[royal trellis]

||so she don't die ?||

[dark valve]

yh she wont die if you fight ||tl without her||

she will if you do tho

[royal trellis]

||ok i don't want her to die so i will beat him without her||

[dark valve]

she only does like 5ish damage per hit iirc, so not worth her life

[royal trellis]

she's one of the best npc s of the game

[dark valve]

worst is grubpa

[royal trellis]

and the worst boss (for me) is

She's so ugly

[dark valve]

she's annoying

my worst is ||hornet protecter||

took me 173 tries to kill her the first time and i hate her for it

[royal trellis]

i killed her in like 10 times even less

oops

[dark valve]

i was just bad at the game tbh

[crystal cipher]

||oh nightmare grim pls it was C L O S E||

[dark valve]

im better now tho

[royal trellis]

but the ||watcher knights||...

[limber minnow]

||my worst is 50 deaths on hornet sentinel||

[dark valve]

||nkg is a shitling||

[dark valve]

only 50?

[limber minnow]

Yea

[royal trellis]

me 5

[limber minnow]

W

[dark valve]

5?

[royal trellis]

yeah 😅

[dark valve]

tf it took me like over 90 i think

i stopped counting at 40

[royal trellis]

i'm not habituated

[limber minnow]

||P5 will take me more than 100 deaths ||

[rapid arch]

||so i fdound dreamaerrs and got dream nail now do i need to go to stag||

[royal trellis]

i don't know if the ||soul master|| is hard but he took me only 3 tries

[cold sleet]

What are the requirements to fight || grey prince zote||?

[limber minnow]

nicee

[royal trellis]

did you killed the ||broken vessel|| yet ?

[limber minnow]

||Save zote whenever you find him||

[rapid arch]

alr did

[cold sleet]

I found him twice and saved him once only

[royal trellis]

aaaaaaaargh !

[limber minnow]

||so he is dead ig ||

[royal trellis]

So you have the ||wings|| ?

[cold sleet]

💔😔 wish i saved him in the || deepnest||

[rapid arch]

yessir

[limber minnow]

|| maybe I am wrong cause let me recheck||

[royal trellis]

now you need to go to the room which has 2 elevators and with the ||wings|| you can go upside

[cold sleet]

Sure

[royal trellis]

and after 5 minutes you will see the hardest boss of the game

[rapid arch]

|| bro i alr defeated dreamer and got dream nail||

[cold sleet]

Which?

[crystal cipher]

Every time I do it, I get mentally confused

[royal trellis]

||watcher knights||

[limber minnow]

||yea you gotta save him and he will come to dirthmouth but you can't anymore because he is probably dead||

[royal trellis]

oh

[limber minnow]

||Which dreamer?||

[rapid arch]

yeahhhh]

[royal trellis]

so you need to go to ||herrah the beast|| in ||deepnest||

[rapid arch]

||the one in city of tears||

[cold sleet]

Fuh. Everyone told me not to save him💔😂

[limber minnow]

||kill the other two||

[royal trellis]

it is ||lurien||

[vague fern]

Is this || zote || ?

[cold sleet]

It’s easy

[cold sleet]

Ye

[rapid arch]

oh ok

[royal trellis]

it took me like 60 tries

[vague fern]

Anyone who says not to save him on a first playthrough is respectfully stupid

[limber minnow]

Even I didn't save him lol

[cold sleet]

💔🥀

[rapid arch]

|| like i came to stag and i didnt pay anything and i can travel with him should i ?||

[limber minnow]

||You can use the upgraded dash to deal with them easily||

[cold sleet]

I couldn’t defeat him before too so i got some upgrades and defeated him the 1st try

[cold sleet]

Is there any way to fight him?

[dark valve]

there's like 2 free ||stags iirc||

[royal trellis]

yeah but i hadn't the ||tramway card||

[rapid arch]

ok so what should i dpo

[dark valve]

they're just annoying. took me like 10 tries and i didn't have cloak

[dark valve]

its just a ||normal stag bro|| do what you want

[royal trellis]

bro it took me 60 tries and after you say that ||protector hornet|| took you 173 tries ?

[dark valve]

hadn't

beautiful word bro

yup

[vague fern]

New save, easy way is || godseeker mode ||

[royal trellis]

oh

[royal trellis]

ok

[cold sleet]

What’s that?

[dark valve]

I'm bad at ||hornet fights||

[royal trellis]

i don't know why but ok

[cold sleet]

That shi easy

[vague fern]

Probably a spoiler mb, i thought you got completion for some reason

[royal trellis]

how long it took you to do the 112% ?

[dark valve]

lemme check rq

[cold sleet]

I have defeated || thk||

[royal trellis]

i'm rn at 35h and only 54%

[vague fern]

Its after that

[cold sleet]

I did like 85% in 35h

[royal trellis]

bro

[cold sleet]

Is it in || god home||?

[vague fern]

Yes

[acoustic sigil]

Luckily it isn't a competition to do it afap

[cold sleet]

ah

[crystal cipher]

||finally I clear nkg||

[royal trellis]

how am i supposed to beat the ||5th pantheon||

[vague fern]

Congrats!

[vague fern]

Waaaay later in the game wdym

[royal trellis]

😩

[cold sleet]

U r at || pantheon||????

[royal trellis]

no

[cold sleet]

So it’s possible to fight || gpz||?

[forest patio]

any tips on beating ||dreamers warrior in kingdoms edge||?

[royal trellis]

but i'm scared just for think that i need to do it for the 112%

[cold sleet]

If I didn’t save him

[vague fern]

Only in new save

[acoustic sigil]

You do not

[cold sleet]

💔

[vague fern]

u dont

[dark valve]

85 hours

[royal trellis]

REALLY ?!

[vague fern]

Only 1-4

[royal trellis]

how long it is gonna take for meeeee ?????

[dark valve]

about 10 of them are just fighting ||hornet protecter||

[cold sleet]

Imma do ts in under 50 hrs

[dark valve]

idk

[acoustic sigil]

Stay on the ground, don't chase it too much

[dark valve]

do it at whatever pace lets you have the most fun

[acoustic sigil]

What ||spells ||do you have

[dark valve]

and then 2 are ||nkg||

[royal trellis]

in which world you need more time to beat ||hornet|| than ||nkg|| (this boss is the goat)

[orchid blade]

I hate ||Enraged Guardian(Crystal Guardian 2)|| so FUCKING MUCH. Worst boss Team Cherry ever created. Any tips on beating this bullshit?

[vague fern]

show inventory

[dark valve]

mine bro mine'

[royal trellis]

is it harder than ||crystal guardian|| ?

[dark valve]

||ddark spam bro|| easy win

[orchid blade]

Im on console, i cant take a pic of my tv.

[dark valve]

yup

[orchid blade]

Yep.

[royal trellis]

very harder ?

[dark valve]

what stuff do you have then

[royal trellis]

bc i beated ||crystal guardian|| at the first try

[orchid blade]

Not thats it harder, its not well made at all. All he does is spam ||his stupid ass lasers and deal two masks of damage||. Sloppu boss design.

[dark valve]

just so you know hardest means its the most hard, so i think the word your looking for is harder

[vague fern]

|| just sit on him and spam ur nail. when he does a beam just jump over to the other side of him or double jump if hes in the corner. when he screams immediately downspell (desolate dive + ) to iframe any arena beams, and if he does a beam during your downspell then make sure to jump over it as soon as you're out of the animation ||

[vague fern]

not every boss can be intricate

[royal trellis]

oh yeah sorry

[dark valve]

its fine you're not a native speaker

[royal trellis]

i awlays confuse this 2 words

harder*

[dark valve]

everyone makes mistake

[orchid blade]

It doesn't need to be every, all I'm saying is this motherfucker doesn't even have a boss theme. He just spams attacks. If he was at least decent I wouldn't mind.

[ornate jewel]

Where do you die?

[vague fern]

?

[ornate jewel]

Wait, he is struggling with ||Enraged gaurdien|| right?

Or did I misread smt

[vague fern]

ah i thought that was an unrelated question

yes thats correct

[ornate jewel]

I kinda just used ||Steady body + Quickslash|| and nailed him down

Just stand in front of him and ||double jump|| when he starts his attack

[sonic moss]

his boss theme is laser, wdym

[dark valve]

how do i get this?

[sonic moss]

game completion is based on a variety of factors. I assume you've already finished the game before?

[dark valve]

yh i have 112 on my save but i don't have this badge

[sonic moss]

then go finish the game again on that save

[dark valve]

oh so like beat ||thk|| again?

[sonic moss]

it is important that you do those things one after the other
100% -> finish game
not finish game then reach 100%

so you likely finished that save before 100% then continued playing without beating final boss again

[dark valve]

yh i did

[sonic moss]

ye

[dark valve]

alr thanks bro

[sonic moss]

go ||kill thk|| again and ur good

[dark valve]

will i get both 100 and 112 badges from it?

[sonic moss]

likely yea

[dark valve]

alr thx

k merci mon ami

[sonic moss]

if theres a 112 badge I mean, I dont remember

[dark valve]

there is its called like pure completion or smtng

[sonic moss]

noice

aight have fun

[forest smelt]

how do i get this ||grub??||

[brazen vine]

u in the wrong room

[vague fern]

Down

[forest smelt]

oh really?

[vague fern]

Theres a hidden path up

[brazen vine]

there is a pathway below you

[brazen vine]

yep

you can find it

[royal trellis]

you need to go down and there is a ||breakable wall|| at the top

[brazen vine]

I bet it is somewhere green

[forest smelt]

thank you so much bro thats the last ||grub|| i need

[dark valve]

you gotta go like around

[forest smelt]

guys is ||grubber fly eledgy|| good?

[vague fern]

nope

[forest smelt]

so all the hard work for nothin?

[vague fern]

%

[sonic moss]

no cause you need full hp, unless you run a ||lifeblood|| build with it, but then you give up other stuff

[cosmic gull]

Or ||dash slash||

That got me it

[forest smelt]

what if i use it with my build

[cosmic gull]

? How would that change it

[sonic moss]

every time I think they patched all the "hit interactables through the wall" I find out about a new one

[cosmic gull]

It was on switch so im sure it works

[vague fern]

Use what you want but point is its bad

[sonic moss]

they patched it with the levers at the very least

[cosmic gull]

I mean maybe ||mop affects dash slash but I don't think so||

[vague fern]

It doesnt

[primal ibex]

From here, theres a secret passage up

[sonic moss]

I'd personally trade ||grubberfly's for mark of pride||

[forest smelt]

i got it rn

anyone got a good ||charm|| build btw?

[pine zinc]

Wsp

[sonic moss]

how much do you use ||spells||?

[forest smelt]

not much only when i need to

[pine zinc]

W build for ||watcher knights||?

[forest smelt]

why the hell do you have that many charms

[forest smelt]

you should have way more for now

[pine zinc]

Who knows

[vague fern]

Not his first save lol

[sonic moss]

Not optional
||Quickslash||
||strength||
Optional
||Mark of pride||
||shaman stone||
||steady body||
||dream wielder||
||nailmaster's glory||
etc

[forest smelt]

alr thanks!

[sonic moss]

w build, but when I take my time for that fight I also try to go for ||flukenest||

[forest smelt]

imma go fight ||nightmare king grimm|| rn

[vague fern]

gl

[forest smelt]

this build good for ||nightmare king grimm?||

[pine zinc]

Drone aaah build

[forest smelt]

why?

[errant arch]

does anyone know where ||a husk bully is post infected crossroads|| i need two more but i can obviously kill one twice

[torpid wadi]

||should be top right of crossroads||

[errant arch]

||near the glowing womb gauntlet?||

[steel mural]

Is there a way to make ||dark rooms|| more visible in post edit?

[torpid wadi]

No, top right

Where ||the grub is||

[steel mural]

like some filter or something I can put on a video of a dark room and it will be more visible for someone watching?

[errant arch]

yep i just realised you said right my brain is a bit slow lmao

[sonic moss]

you don't need both ||MoP and longnail||, drop the 2nd one

[errant arch]

just to make sure i am talking about this one

[torpid wadi]

Oh shit

My bsd

[errant arch]

lmao nah all good

[torpid wadi]

Go to ||howling cliffs then||

[errant arch]

ahh yeah thank you

[compact charm]

I beat ||pv 6 times on radiant
Hitless once on attuned and hitless in p5 am I ready for pale prince||

[vague fern]

go for it

[compact charm]

K thx

[shut sparrow]

lune should do modded bosses imo

[vague fern]

i needa do that one boss sonia recommended

uhhh || purity ||

[orchid blade]

Finally I beat ||Enraged Guardian||.

[vague fern]

WOO

[pine zinc]

Silk issue

[shut sparrow]

never seen that

do ||anyrad|| iirc

[vague fern]

ive only done || aikg || so far cuz hes the easiest

and even then i havent learnt him enough for a || rad / ab || clear yet

[shut sparrow]

based on what you've done, I don't think it would pose a great challenge

[vague fern]

my || absrad|| is lacking so i'll try it after getting that down

1.0 is such a flex

[shut sparrow]

nuhuh

2.0 is

||1.0 is comparable to p5ab, altho of course very different challenge||

[unkempt quartz]

Guys I need help with ||sly|| (I haven't reached him I just wanna make sure I first try him)

[vague fern]

is 2.0 comparable to || r5ab || ? theres similar people who've done it

[sonic moss]

why..

[shut sparrow]

no, it's easier than ||r5|| even

[unkempt quartz]

Cause reasons

[sonic moss]

at that point you might as well watch a video

[vague fern]

|| his range is ridiculous. stay at a distance and when he does the 3 hit nail attack (ending in a spin) then dash under and punish. or when he does the jump and you're close, he'll do a 180 and you can also punish that. for the nail arts, you pogo and/or ddark the cyclone, and other two just dash/jump away.

2nd phase, just stand still in the middle charging a nail art and when he comes to you, dash away and great slash / shade soul him ||

[vague fern]

WHAT

i swear suscat just said there was like 30 clears whereas || r5 || is hundreds

[shut sparrow]

yes, ||anyrads don't have low clears because it's difficult, but because many people don't consider it fun or prefer vanilla challenges||

[vague fern]

i feel awfully motivated to try 2.0 now but im scared you're fooling me

[sonic moss]

I have no idea what any of this word salad means but I hope you guys are having fun

[vague fern]

|| anyrad is a modded boss of absolute radiance designed to be ridiculously hard. 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 are the versions with 3.0 being unbeaten glitchless rn. nonsenf is tryna convince me to do 1.0 ||

[forest smelt]

what does the bindings in ||[pantheons|| do?

[vague fern]

|| nail binding reduces nail damage, i can find the formula but it'll make it 13 at the best although it can be lower (ex old nail is 5 > 4).
soul binding is 33 soul capacity max (1 heal / spell)
shell binding is 4 masks max
charm binding is no charms ||

[shut sparrow]

I am not. Though I would do ||1.0, first, since it's more fun||

[forest smelt]

oh ok

[vague fern]

even if 1.0 isnt actually a flex, most people think it is

[dense kiln]

||What is the closest bench to false knight||

[vague fern]

so i'll try her once i improve my || absrad||

[shut sparrow]

the formula is: reduce by 20% and cap at 13

[shut sparrow]

[cold sleet]

What are the best charms for ||colo 3?||

[cosmic gull]

Do one.0 it's fun ish

[shut sparrow]

do ||speedkills to improve your absrad imo (you'll beat me in a day)||

[vague fern]

0 chance

but i'll practise that way

[rapid arch]

|| what do i need to do in resting grounds||

[vague fern]

once i get better at || absrad|| i will

i also wanna do infinity and purity

[cold sleet]

What are the best charms for ||colo 3?||

[cold sleet]

Rest

[shut sparrow]

can you show your map?

[rapid arch]

what do u mean

[shut sparrow]

you don't even know my pb
what if it's 6 minutes

[vague fern]

|| 6 minutes ||

bro

what is going on in my head

[cosmic gull]

0 chance that's true is the thought

[vague fern]

|| the seer, and theres a quest in a hidden breakable area ||

[rapid arch]

i alr went there but i couldnt find antyhting

[vague fern]

then mine would be 10.. you've literally done 1.0

[rapid arch]

||there is a free stag bdw||

[gleaming marsh]

Bro why can’t I ||overcharm|| on switch

[rapid arch]

but ik why am i waiting 6 minutes

where do i need to wait 6 minutyes

[sonic moss]

Ohhh it's just versions of ||anyrad|| ok ok

[vague fern]

make sure you try a few times, cuz it'll crack at first until it breaks

[cosmic gull]

I might ask to help me do the boss

[vague fern]

and make sure you have a slot spare

[shut sparrow]

||I recommend going for a spell and nailart build.
So shaman, nailmaster's glory, quick focus, grubsong, catcher/twister is what I'd use||

[shut sparrow]

||absrad?||

also hi

[dense kiln]

I dont have immediate access to the pc yet but the closest bench i got was named ritual grounds or something like that

[cosmic gull]

No ||any||

[shut sparrow]

are you sure you tried many times? The first time it takes like 6 attempts

[gleaming marsh]

Yeah

[shut sparrow]

just dm or ping me somewhere if you have a question or want any advice

[shut sparrow]

it of course doesn't belong here

[gleaming marsh]

I had to do ||sly|| and ||sentinel|| like 10 times in godhone before I got it

[vague fern]

theyre hard for alot of people cuz you dont think you gotta respect them

[shut sparrow]

is it in ||crossroads?||

[dense kiln]

Yes

[sonic moss]

bro was in ||resting grounds||

[bronze nexus]

does anyone have any tips for ||warrior dream||? I just made it to ||resting grounds||

[sonic moss]

or wait..

[errant arch]

||i'm looking at the wiki now and i am 90% sure i have killed everything at least once but there is still one missing and i don't know what it is||

[sonic moss]

..final boss? maybe

[native tinsel]

It can be found in the ||abyss||

[dense kiln]

Ah yes

[errant arch]

apparently doesn't count for the achievement or mark

[sonic moss]

then you gotta go through one by one for the non-optional ones

[errant arch]

[sonic moss]

time to check very slowly

[errant arch]

isn't that the tendrils which i just got?

[native tinsel]

My bad i thought you wanted to know where they are

Lmao

[errant arch]

ah no i am missing all but one for the achievement lol

[brazen vine]

does ||hunter's jounal|| needs to be completed to be 112%? I'm stuck on 111% and I cant find where that 1% is lmao

[idle yoke]

It doesn't
Did you ||talk to the seer after getting 2400 eccence||?

[brazen vine]

yep, she's ded

[idle yoke]

||1-4 pantheons and colo trials||?

[errant arch]

AHA i figured it out its the ||crystal crawler aka laser shits in crystal peak|| least i hope so

[brazen vine]

yep, I'm trying to ||radiant hall of gods|| now (out of boredom lmao)

even did ||p5|| just for fun and the cutscene

[idle yoke]

Hmm

Not sure what you could be missing if you've got every upgrade

[shut sparrow]

did you complete the ||entire Grimm quest||

[brazen vine]

maybe I do have to complete the ||hunter's journal||? I only got like 130 entires lol

[brazen vine]

my dumass banished them

[idle yoke]

You don't

[shut sparrow]

||also of course do you have ever health, vessel, nail, spell upgrade?||

[idle yoke]

That still counts

[shut sparrow]

that gives the same %. Did you collect the charm afterwards?

[brazen vine]

I got all of 'em, not sure about the ||masks|| though, lemme count it rq

is this max or am I missing one?

[idle yoke]

That's max

[idle yoke]

You got all the ||notches||?

[iron hearth]

Any tips to improve this?

[sonic moss]

if this is your first playthrough you're perfectly fine like that

[idle yoke]

That's build's pretty good early game, go with that

[iron hearth]

It is

[sonic moss]

then you're good

[brazen vine]

yep, idk if the max is 11 or 12, I got 12 ||notches||, might be cuz of the mod I installed

[dark valve]

no. did you ascend ||the seer||? or beat ||p1-4||?

[brazen vine]

I did both, and ||the seer|| is pretty much ded

[dark valve]

do you have all ||charms||?

and ||voidheart||

[brazen vine]

yea, except for ||grimmchild|| cuz I banished them and got ||carefree melody||

[idle yoke]

Max on vanilla is 11

[dark valve]

thats fine then, you still get the %

so you have over ||2400 essence||?

[idle yoke]

Okay just send a ss of your inventory

[dark valve]

all masks and vessels?

[iron hearth]

boss?

[simple island]

Try and see what happens surely

[brazen vine]

dont mind the extra ||notch||, i removed my ||grubsong|| since max in vanilla is only 11

[iron hearth]

oh no

[dark valve]

no new locaition

[dark valve]

there's ways out you just gotta go aroun

[sonic moss]

enjoy finding your way out :^)

[simple island]

Don’t worry, the game saved your position, so even dying won’t let you leave

[brazen vine]

best area, dw

crank ur volume to max and enjoy the music

[iron hearth]

ohmygod

[sonic moss]

she found one of the coolest areas in the game

there's only like 2 areas in the game I enjoy more than the ||city bench|| near there

[brazen vine]

||deepnest|| is the best ;))

[silver scaffold]

||Does Greed charm also increase the geo rewarded from Colosseum of Fools?||

[gritty idol]

use hk check list

if u don’t think u fully completed

[idle yoke]

No

[iron hearth]

I feel like he will steal my nail

[sonic moss]

I was then shot 57 times

[sonic moss]

he's very nice

[brazen vine]

do it

[idle yoke]

Best bargain you'll ever find

[gritty idol]

doo it

[worn crown]

Hi, just wanted to know, is there checkpoint in ||path of pain|| ? Or do I have to do everything in one go ?

[iron hearth]

Alright.

[idle yoke]

Do everything in one go

[low bay]

anyone who knows a game as good as undertale

[iron hearth]

HE DIDNT STEAL ITT

[worn crown]

Whaaaaaat

Ok i'm not doing that

[gritty idol]

deltraeune

[low bay]

finished all chapters 3 times

weird route included

[gritty idol]

hk

hm

[low bay]

absolute bullshit

[gritty idol]

undertale with mods

[low bay]

ive done 3 ftm and lowkey gets boring

[acoustic sigil]

#off-topic

[brazen vine]

well this looks intimidating if I need to fight him for that 1%

[idle yoke]

Why are you here then 💔

[gritty idol]

ur fine

u should be stacked

[low bay]

i was here back then i needed help

but the game was hard so decided to stop

[low bay]

thx

[gritty idol]

its easier than sekiro

sekiro is trahs

[low bay]

is it hard?

[sonic moss]

there's checkpoints but I believe you can't close the game and reopen it, just checkpoints if you fail some platforming

[gritty idol]

ye

[acoustic sigil]

Stop the off topic discussion here

[low bay]

ye i wont play that shit neither

[winter gale]

how do you get past this barrier

[acoustic sigil]

You need an ability you dont have yet

[idle yoke]

Late game ability

[gritty idol]

||you need a ability ||

wont say

[winter gale]

bruh

i was js tryna get the map

[acoustic sigil]

Yeah that ain't happening anytime soon

[winter gale]

or am i just in a late game area

[gritty idol]

yeah that area is inteded for later

[winter gale]

oh

[gritty idol]

kind of yea

[winter gale]

shame

[gritty idol]

Just go under that area

the entire area

and ur on right track

[worn crown]

Oh okay yes I was talking about that, I'm fine with leaving the game open for 6 hours lol
Thanks !

[sonic moss]

cheers, and good luck!

[worn crown]

And do I need ||path of pain and radiant|| for ||112%|| ?

[shut sparrow]

no, you need to do neither

[sonic moss]

no
(also try not to die entirely cause I don't think you respawn at a checkpoint)

[gritty idol]

no

[worn crown]

That's fine I have ||the bee hive charm||

[sonic moss]

ye just letting you know :3

[worn crown]

Thanks yall, I might be able to get 112% then XD

Even tho ||godhome|| seems like hell

[silver scaffold]

||What's the reward for beating all bosses on Attuned and Ascended and completing the Hall Of Gods board in Godhome?Is it necessary for 112%?||

[gritty idol]

||do u need a simple key to go to pantheon area in junk pit||

[worn crown]

Yes

[gritty idol]

not required for full comp

[sonic moss]

to be fair you only need ||4 of the pantheons|| for %

[worn crown]

Oh really ??? Ok I really may have my chance then !

I thought u needed to beat every bosses in ||ascend||

[sonic moss]

no you're good, just ||pantheons 1-4||

[simple island]

All of the ||hall of gods|| is optional, but it’s nice for practice

Go there if you struggle with a boss

[winter gale]

why is the map drawn like this does those uncoloured eras mean i havent explored them yet?

[sonic moss]

there's a lot of content in HK that doesn't contribute to completion but is extra. I still have like 3 more things to do even with my 112% and full ||hunters journal||

[idle yoke]

Yep

[gritty idol]

ye

[torpid wadi]

||they get filled in after you go there and sit on bench after||

[shut sparrow]

||you get a journal entry||

[crystal hazel]

what should i do now i have killled almost all main bosses (except for the final) but still only 66% completed
explored all the area maybe some secret places left

upgraded all the ||spells||

can't find the ||pale ore||

[pine zinc]

Get 1 more %

And your life is complete

[crystal hazel]

??

[mint wadi]

Find all ||charms||

[mint wadi]

||pale ore|| places are ||top of crystal peak, ancient basin, grubs, colosseum, deepnest, and the seer||

[gritty idol]

ignore him

[gritty idol]

i recommend using hk check list

[native prairie]

I'm trying to do 112%, is ||saving zote necessary? Because if it is I'm f-ed||

[mint wadi]

No

[native prairie]

Okay good

[mint wadi]

#sk-help

[native prairie]

I'm on 105% and failing at beating ||great nailsage sly|| lol

[neat karma]

Holy shit hii

[mint wadi]

Omg hi ismoil

[neat karma]

[pine zinc]

Peak hater🥀

[gritty idol]

#putendtobrainrkt

[lethal siren]

wat

[gritty idol]

i found a dude in the tierlist servers lmao

crazy stuff

[lethal siren]

OH LOL

[crystal hazel]

how to get the ||spell twister charm||

[half flax]

Guys i just tried ||GODSEEKER|| MODE AND IT'S THE BEST FEELING OF ALL TIME

@brazen vine no it's trail of suffering💀

[mint wadi]

||soul sanctum||

[brazen vine]

Trail of Torment 🗣🔥

[crystal hazel]

i am at the exact location

[gritty idol]

no its path of aslids

[half flax]

@brazen vine it's path of made in China

[mint wadi]

Uhh more specifically it's ||closer to the soul master fight but you go up||

[shut sparrow]

please delete this. This is a hollow knight channel

[crystal hazel]

wher is up

[half flax]

@shut sparrow it's actually legit bro it's just an multi-player server version of game and have a bit mod

[crystal hazel]

any ||broken wall||

[shut sparrow]

it's from silksong. Please delete it now

[crystal hazel]

from wher i go up??

[brazen vine]

yes master

[half flax]

@shut sparrow if the team cherry doesn't allows any slight mods he should but if they don't he shouldn't cause it doesn't does too much advantage for player

[latent grove]

I need help on ||Traitor Lord|| any1 got any tips?

[brazen vine]

spam ||d-dark||

[shut sparrow]

what? Mods are totally allowed

[half flax]

@shut sparrow i was saying that too

[onyx spruce]

how do i open this door in the ||pantheon||

[brazen vine]

you can||shade dash|| through, but if that is not available/in cd, spam ||d-dark|| 'till u got no juice

[latent grove]

Also I haven't got ||Abyss Shriek|| on this save, do you think I should get it b4 I fight ||Traitor Lord||?

[brazen vine]

do ||pantheons, but with bindings||

[onyx spruce]

how many

[gritty idol]

yea

its wonderful

and it isnt hard to get

[latent grove]

Ik how to get it

It's ny second save

[brazen vine]

I mean you can use ||abyss shriek||, but its hard to pull off, ||d-dark|| and ||shade soul|| is ur best bet for now

[latent grove]

Ok i'll try that

[onyx spruce]

how many

[brazen vine]

8 I think

you can do 2 bindings per ||pantheon||

[native tinsel]

You have to have done ||8 bindings|| iirc

[errant arch]

where is the ||fluke hobo|| i haven't found it ever

[brazen vine]

||waterways||

somewhere... on the left

[chrome drift]

||complete pantheons with bindings||

[errant arch]

i'm in there right now farming the fat ones for the journal but remembered it exists

[brazen vine]

you refrring to ||flukmarm|| or ||fluke hermit||?

for ||flukemarm||, there is a secret passage

[errant arch]

shit

||hermit||

[brazen vine]

ah, you gotta ASCEND 🔥

you know where ||godseeker|| is?

got to the very top right

[onyx spruce]

can i do the same one multiple times

[errant arch]

yeah i thought i went up there

[chrome drift]

No different

[errant arch]

i'll check again i guess

[chrome drift]

But you don't have to do them all at the same time

[brazen vine]

you remember a pool there?

swim to the right

and you'd find him

[chrome drift]

Like you can first complete with ||soul binding|| then ||complete same pantheon with different binding||

[errant arch]

ohhhh

thanks

[onyx spruce]

oh oh, what does the door lead to

[chrome drift]

||nothing but it gives you blue hearts at checkpoints||

Useful when it comes to ||p5||

[thick wing]

how do i get to ||godseeker?||

[cold sleet]

Any tips for last 3-4 waves of ||colo 3?||

[thick wing]

||i feel like generally for the entire colo 3 grimmchild is useful||

[neat karma]

Nah

[thick wing]

no?

[neat karma]

||awful damage, whiffs a lot, two notches could be used with a lot of other stuff||

[brazen vine]

use ||glowing womb||, its better 💯

[flint sparrow]

also ||kills enemies so you can't farm soul||

[thick wing]

ive tried that but its almost impossible to heal cuz of them

[neat karma]

They suck ass

Theyre trolling

[vapid pilot]

can i not|| jump deflect pvs parry||

[brazen vine]

I'd suggest a build for ya: ||Mark of pride/Longnail, Quickslash, Shaman stone|| and the rest should be for survivability

[brazen vine]

thats if u are nail main/agressive type of player

[neat karma]

||longnails quite not good tbh||

[thick wing]

not blue heart?

[neat karma]

||if youre gonna extend your range use mop instead, never longnail||