hk-help

[oblique lion]

Understand ?

[lusty yarrow]

k

Btw can you ||Dreamnail|| the boss at the end?

[oblique lion]

How tf do you have that

[lusty yarrow]

Well first you can get it really early by getting the light and going through ||that crystal area|| (idk the name) and also you can get to the ||City of tears|| before killing ||mantis lords||

[oblique lion]

Dude ml is early game

Like rlly early

[lusty yarrow]

and its also optional for a while aparently (I DIDNT SEE THE LEVER)

[oblique lion]

LMao

Anyway i dont think u can

Wait

Did u beat ||broken vessel||?

[lusty yarrow]

the one you find in ||resting grounds||?

[oblique lion]

No in ||ancient basin||

Do you have ||monarch wings||?

[lusty yarrow]

not yet

[oblique lion]

So no u havent beaten him yet

[lusty yarrow]

yeah

Anyway, idk why im finding ||Mantis lords|| so hard, ive already ||upgraded my nail|| .

[gusty rock]

Thy end is now

[lusty yarrow]

EVERY TIME

embed fail

[gusty rock]

Can't even send funny ultrakill gif

[lusty yarrow]

dude ||thy end is now|| is a ||ultrakill|| spoiler so spoiler mark it 1!1!11!11

[copper lava]

Is that fucking minos prime

[lusty yarrow]

AGAIN?

[copper lava]

i p ranked you on standard

[lusty yarrow]

cool now do it on UKMD

[copper lava]

im working on it man

E-1 be wasting my time

[lusty yarrow]

HOW IS ||P2|| A SPOILER ITS LITERALLY AN ULTRAKILL REFERENCE

dude p-rank ||p2|| first

[copper lava]

maybe

[copper lava]

the thing is

p-2 is like reallly really long

[lusty yarrow]

LES GOO I FINALLY BEAT ||MANTIS LORDS||!!!!

[copper lava]

WW

[azure grail]

nice

[copper lava]

how dies the spoiler thing work

[solid heart]

I mean, this is not the place for Ultrakill lol
Because this is not the place for regular convos, a lot of normal words are blocked

[copper lava]

Does it do it automatixally

[azure grail]

put || before and after the message

[solid heart]

It's a blacklist, when the bot detects anything in that list it triggers the warning

[copper lava]

ok

[azure grail]

he cant

[copper lava]

i see

[azure grail]

hes early game

[copper lava]

ik i was trying to make a joke

[azure grail]

oh ok

[copper lava]

yeah

[azure grail]

why isnt the brother get a harder version

he is fun fight

[copper lava]

||SoB|| was my first ||radiant boss||

[azure grail]

nice

[copper lava]

hes very fun

[azure grail]

my first was ||grimm||reg version

[copper lava]

i beat him the third try and got very sad when ||cloth||

[copper lava]

w

[azure grail]

me too

[copper lava]

im replaying hk rn

[azure grail]

it is very cool

[copper lava]

i feel like a codebreaker rn istg

[azure grail]

lol

[copper lava]

it took me a hot minute to realize what sandmouth was

oops

[azure grail]

i jus dont want to use the spoilers thing

[copper lava]

valid

ye my second playthrough fabric went to sandtongue

[azure grail]

waht

[copper lava]

prolly yeah because he was the lowest seat

[azure grail]

the question is was the brother of battle smaller than the galsss like irl before he got enlightened

[copper lava]

or he was tbe youngest

[azure grail]

no his seat got broken

[copper lava]

it was still the fourth and lowest

[azure grail]

irl male mantises are smaller than females

[azure grail]

no i think they were all the same height

you can see it was broken and there is no hint of how high it was before

[copper lava]

i thought i remembered just the too part being broken but its been a moment

[azure grail]

yeah we ont know if it was the same heiight as the others

there is no way to know

also have you 112 percented the game?

[copper lava]

i have yes

[azure grail]

i havent personally

idk what i'm missing

i have 110 percent

[copper lava]

||p5?||

could be a missing boss like the fluke

[solid heart]

It isn't a %

[azure grail]

i have all the bosses

[copper lava]

damn i thought it was

[azure grail]

i think i'm just missing ||p4||

[solid heart]

You're probably missing
||Seer assension||

[azure grail]

but idk if there is ano

[azure grail]

what?

[copper lava]

nah ive 112%

[solid heart]

Wrong reply lol

[solid heart]

||2700 essence||

Wait no 2400

[azure grail]

i have that

i have 2800

[copper lava]

ngl i had no clue that qualified as a percent

[solid heart]

||a charm, a Colo||

[azure grail]

i think is jus ||p4||

[solid heart]

That's 1%

You're missing another

[azure grail]

ik

[solid heart]

||https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Completion_(Hollow_Knight)||

No

[azure grail]

oh ok

[copper lava]

||colosseum of fools?||

i hate those

[azure grail]

me too

[solid heart]

||P5||

[azure grail]

ik abt that challenge

panthaeoan

5

[copper lava]

bro jus said it didnt count as a percent

[solid heart]

It isn't

You gotta do it

[copper lava]

doh!

[azure grail]

for what?

[copper lava]

you have all ||charms?||

[azure grail]

yes

[solid heart]

||ending, the biggest ending, the ending to end all endings||

[azure grail]

lol

[solid heart]

What's the point of ||112 without Embrace the void||

[azure grail]

ikr

[copper lava]

real

I never did all of ||the hall of gods up to radiant||

Im gonna million percent this darn game!!!

[azure grail]

in the same save file

[solid heart]

||Do RHoG then, also P5AB||

[copper lava]

ye im gonna

im replaying rn and picked interest up again

W

[azure grail]

lol

[copper lava]

i ❤️ pans

[azure grail]

me too

i use them for panning gold

[copper lava]

rs

[azure grail]

fr fr skull emoji

[copper lava]

💀

thank god thats not a spoiler

p6

[azure grail]

confirmed?

[copper lava]

Prime Sanctum 6

[solid heart]

P6 is the ||pantheon of nightmares||

[azure grail]

omg its ||ogrim||

i think

[copper lava]

😂

dunk

[azure grail]

bapanada

[quaint trench]

[copper lava]

this game was the greatest rhing at the time i played it

[azure grail]

i think is shaw!!!

or edino

wait what?

what is ze best ||hornet||quote guys

[neat karma]

@azure grail Stop looking for loopholes to not tag stuff, follow channel rules or dont be in it

[azure grail]

ok

[ancient berry]

Any tips for ||soul tyrant?||

[azure grail]

i use ||these||

[azure grail]

what attacks are difficult for you?

[quaint trench]

HOLY CARP I JUST BET ||PURE VESSEL||

*carp

*carp

*carp

[ancient berry]

Mainly the one with the ||orbs around it||

[solid heart]

I just fished a carp

[ancient berry]

And the ||ground slam one||

[azure grail]

where he is above you floating across the arena?

[ancient berry]

Yeah

[azure grail]

you have to jump abd ||dash|| through the ||soul orbs||

[quaint trench]

||For tyrant I recommend using mainly nail arts||

[ancient berry]

Ok

[quaint trench]

Don't go chasing them around the arena too much, they will teleport away

[azure grail]

i used ||wraiths||for the last phase

jus save ||soul||

when youre close to that part

[quaint trench]

||Also there are so many healing opportunities in phase 1 that you can save soul for healing whenever you take damage||

[azure grail]

ye

[quaint trench]

same

||Non-shaman wraiths|| deals a lot less damage than I expected

it's like 39

[ancient berry]

Any charm recommendations?

[quaint trench]

Show me your current ||charm build||

[solid heart]

That's 8|| base nail hits lol||

[azure grail]

||shaman stone||

for the end phase

[ancient berry]

||quick slash mark of pride Nailmaster glory and shamen||

[azure grail]

use ||strength||

[ancient berry]

It’s broken rn

[azure grail]

what is?

wait it is?

[ancient berry]

You mean ||fragile/ unbreakable strength?||

[quaint trench]

I would recommend not using ||quick slash||

[ancient berry]

Ok

[quaint trench]

it's only really useful in phase 2 (marginally)

[ancient berry]

What should I swap it out for

[azure grail]

well then if you cant use a charm bcz its broken use a diff broken one ||flukenest|| lol

[azure grail]

yes

[ancient berry]

Oh ok

[quaint trench]

||It's not like other bosses where you can just stay right next to them and spam attack, soul tyrant teleports around and you can only get one nail hit every few seconds||

[azure grail]

ye

so ||strength|| really helps

[quaint trench]

||flukenest|| is really hard to use for beginners (and also experts)

[ancient berry]

I have 3 extra ||charm notches|| what should I use?

[azure grail]

it was a joke

bcz ||strength||is broken in a bad way

[quaint trench]

It's so funny though have you seen the ||soul master/tyrant|| phase 2 speedkills with ||flukenest||

Where they just ||blast flukes into a corner and they dive on it and instantly die||

[azure grail]

no i havent how quick are they

||dive|| is spoiler?

[quaint trench]

I was about to ask

[ancient berry]

Would ||spelltwister be good?||

[azure grail]

i think so

[quaint trench]

Yes.

[azure grail]

it could be ok

[ancient berry]

Ok

[quaint trench]

||soul catcher|| might also be good if you need ||soul for healing||

[ancient berry]

What’s should I do with my last ||charm notches?||

[quaint trench]

Like, ||grubsong|| or something

[modest elm]

If you ||use spells, twister is an extremely high value charm.|| if not, don’t be pressured into using it

[azure grail]

does anyone have any strategies for the ||pure vessel||

[modest elm]

Jump|| often. I’m also about to send a comprehensive guide on each move and strategies for each move ||

[ancient berry]

Ok ima try it again

[quaint trench]

lol i just bet ||pure vessel|| like 10 seconds ago

[azure grail]

oh ok

[azure grail]

lol nice

[modest elm]

||Sharp shadow can|| work but it’s not realistic to rely on long term. It’s also slower, which is unfortunate

[quaint trench]

It's like ||nkg||, the fight is basically just a dance

[modest elm]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OUgIZSwHfg||

[quaint trench]

It's a lot less consistent from my experience though

[modest elm]

Lategame spoiler. Ignore if not pinged

[azure grail]

isnt it ||jump over his nail moves and dash through the sword throw?||

[modest elm]

mhm.

[azure grail]

ok

i havent got to the ||void tendrils|| part yet lol

[modest elm]

||Nail length and spell damage can be extremely helpful ||

[quaint trench]

Also very random tip, ||if pv just finished an attack and you're wacking them with your nail, don't be greedy||

[azure grail]

ok

[quaint trench]

if they do the ||funny three slashes|| you die instantly

[modest elm]

That’s when he’s below ||25% hp, you’ll get there soon||

[azure grail]

so like 1 or 2 hits myb 3 right?

[quaint trench]

Isn't it ||33%||?

[azure grail]

wdym

[modest elm]

||False, react to the riposte attempt, or simply be built different. Like so:||

[azure grail]

that move has been the easiest for me or is there a diff version of the ||triple slash move||

[modest elm]

Three ||slash is easy. Jump over them and attack them in/out of the riposte||

[azure grail]

ik

[modest elm]

You seem comfortable with the boss, just give it time

[quaint trench]

i have a reaction time of 359 miliseconds

[azure grail]

wait they do the block at set times?

[modest elm]

The ||boss has limited moves and choreographs them ahead of time. It’s not an multiplayer fps, it’s surely within your means||

[quaint trench]

Whenever they did the ||triple slash|| i tried to do the strategy that worked for ||thk|| and just ||dash away||

[modest elm]

Not particularly. Just watch for them

[quaint trench]

so that obviously didn't work.

[azure grail]

oh ok

[modest elm]

They obviously only attempt it if you’re close but that’s it

[azure grail]

i react faster to the sound tbh so i'll jus listen out for it

[modest elm]

Whatever works

[quaint trench]

How much practice on ||pv|| should I get before going back into ||p4||

[azure grail]

i think until you can beat him 3 times in a row

thats what i'm going for

[quaint trench]

Also for ||p4||

should I use ||quick slash strength MoP steady body nmg||

[azure grail]

||watcher knights are so annoying||

[quaint trench]

or ||replace MoP with shaman||

[azure grail]

i think ||shaman stone is always good||

but there are some situations where it is outclassed

[azure grail]

whats ||nmg||?

oh i remember

[quaint trench]

I feel like ||MoP|| is a masive help against specifically ||white defender||

[azure grail]

true

i like ||both the length charms for nkg as well||

also kinda random but what is your favourite ||boss to fight like is fun||

i find ||nkg and hornet|| fun

[quaint trench]

||There's a few that I only find fun because I can bully them||

||I really like hive knight||

I would say ||grimm and oro and mato|| are the most fun for me

[ancient berry]

I finally beat ||soul tyrant||

[quaint trench]

I just bet ||pv|| with only 1 hit at the very end

[quaint trench]

[ancient berry]

[quaint trench]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA ||PV JUST STAGGERED AND FELL OVER ONTO ME||

[keen quest]

Just to be sure its two slashes on each side for the secret thing

Spoiler*

[quaint trench]

(i died)

...what?

[keen quest]

The spoiler text box

Its two of / on each side yeah?

[ancient berry]

It’s ||

[keen quest]

Ah

Ok thanks

||Just beat steel soul p5||

Very happy with myself

[keen quest]

20h in for it

So w imo

[burnt zinc]

||why is it that the dung defender is still here even after i beat the white defender? is that normal?||

[cosmic stag]

you can fight the || white defender ||multiple times
for more dialoge/lore

be warned: it gets harder

[burnt zinc]

alright thanks

[worthy shore]

Can someone please help me beat ||tik tik|| It keeps on escaping me and I end up dying.

||Just a joke im not bad at the game||

[solid heart]

My tier list

[solid heart]

Just don't fight it, it's way too hard

[worthy shore]

Yeah

[cosmic stag]

having ||hornet ||not best highest tier is kinda sad

I absolutly agree with || marmu|| tho

[solid heart]

||Hornet 2 is A tier||

[cosmic stag]

I see it was black

[solid heart]

Yeah, blame the template

[cosmic stag]

||Zote|| on whatever? Isnt he just boring or do you give him extra points for just being ||zote||

[solid heart]

Bonus points lol

It's at least fun to just wack him around

[cosmic stag]

true that

also idk sad about the || dung defender one|| he is easy but still, funny fight and has varierty (if you are not maxed gear)

[azure grail]

||gpz|| in S tier is crazy work i find it way too random

[solid heart]

He's crazy fun once you crack down the attacks

[worthy shore]

That makes it fun

[solid heart]

With an 8 hour session lol

[azure grail]

lol

[quaint trench]

I JUST DID ||ASCENDED PV|| ON ACCIDENT

AND BEAT IT FIRST TRY

[azure grail]

lol

nice

[cosmic stag]

daem good job

[idle ingot]

bro just discovered satire and immediately came to let us know

heartwarming

[idle ingot]

||pv||'s difficulty doesn't scale too much with ||ascended/radiant|| modifiers

[quaint trench]

...and now I just bet ||p4|| with a hitless ||pure vessel||

[idle ingot]

what a beast

time for ||radiant markoth||

[solid heart]

Do ||R4||

[burnt zinc]

||i made it to the pale king in the white palace and i got the white fragment. then it tped me out. how do i get to the path of pain? do i need to redo all of the platforming?||

[solid heart]

You get spawned in the second bench

||pop is close||

[burnt zinc]

im at the beginning

[burnt zinc]

i redid the platforming

now idk what to do

||im back at the pale king||

[solid heart]

||Pop is at the start...||

[burnt zinc]

||yeah i just made it to pop i did all of it again before realizing nothing is at the end||

[ancient berry]

Can you still make ||fragile charms|| into ||unbreakable charms|| after killing ||Grimm||?

[neat karma]

Yeah

[ancient berry]

Ok ty

[calm relic]

Wait how

[neat karma]

Wdym how

[calm relic]

Oh wait nvm

[twin heron]

what i can do here?

[calm relic]

||Coliseum|| is all the way to the right of that room

[twin heron]

but i cant brake it

[calm relic]

Ok you’re not where I thought you were

What area are you in

[stoic cedar]

||this is a breakable wall that can only be broken from the other wide||

[calm relic]

Oh right-

[twin heron]

ohhh thank you

[worthy shore]

I need help with a charm build for the ||pantheons||

My build is ||mark of pride, unbreakable strenght, quick slash, nailmasters glory, and steady body ||I want to have some ||spell charms ||in there. What should I swap out

[bleak gale]

||mark of pride for shaman stone||

You don't really need any other charms

[lethal flame]

||mop for shaman, nmg and sb for twister||

[worthy shore]

@gael What do u mean?

The only thing is I am really used to ||mark of pride|| any tips to practice without it?

[stoic cedar]

||i mean u should just go in hog and practice there without mop||

[worthy shore]

What do you mean ||hog||

[lethal flame]

||hall of gods||

[stoic cedar]

||hall of gods||

[worthy shore]

ok what boss should I fight?

[lethal flame]

||absrad||

or the hardest one u have available

[worthy shore]

Thanks Ill try it

so new build is ||strength, quick slash, nailmaster, steady body and shaman|| Sound right?

[lethal flame]

swap ||nmg and sbody with twister|| and ur good

[bleak gale]

Disagree smh

Both are fine, previous is better

[lethal flame]

||sbody|| kinda mid without ||mop||

[bleak gale]

How....

[lethal flame]

and between ||twister|| and ||nmg||, ||twister|| is just a better charm

[bleak gale]

Depends a lot on their playstyle

[bleak gale]

||I never use mop and steady body works great for me||

[lethal flame]

any charm can work great for anyone

doesn't make them good in a vacuum

[normal rain]

Man

[bleak gale]

It's good for anyone who knows how to use it and uses ||quickslash||

[lethal flame]

damn u must be a god gamer to be able to use ||sbody||

lmao

what do you even mean with that

[bleak gale]

What?

[drowsy yarrow]

||mark of pride|| is more often than not a positioning crutch. ||sbody|| can be too, but it also improves dps and allows much more aggressive chasing in the air

[lethal flame]

anyone can press forward and slash

[normal rain]

||Quick slash + Steady body + Strength is one of the most powerful combinations in the game. People who say Steady Body is a bad charm simply doesn’t know how to utilize it properly||

[bleak gale]

Know how to use as in ||not walk into the boss out of muscle memory and use it to be hyper aggressive||

[lethal flame]

pressing forward and slashing with ||sbody|| isn't as pressing forward and slashing with ||sbody + mop||

[bleak gale]

What does this mean

[lethal flame]

||mop|| gives u a lot of opportunities for dmg that otherwise wouldn't really be there or would require too precise of an execution

[bleak gale]

Can this be done somewhere else please

This is a help channel not a discussion channel

[drowsy yarrow]

besides pillar attacks, it's generally unnecessary to reach the boss

[lethal flame]

are you implying the extra range isn't useful

[normal rain]

||Exactly. Steady Body allows for a much higher DPS output. People really need to stop spreading the idea that it’s bad||

[lethal flame]

who's saying ||sbody|| is bad

[bleak gale]

Gg

[drowsy yarrow]

But I prefer ||cyclone slash|| with ||nmg|| for pillar attacks anyways

[drowsy yarrow]

no, it's always useful of course. Just that it's not usually a dps boost

not nearly as often as ||sbody|| in any case

[lethal flame]

with perfect execution a charm like ||sbody|| also wouldn't usually increase dps. ppl often fail at perfect execution tho

[bleak gale]

This is false wtf

[lethal flame]

i could be wrong and all tas vids use ||sbody||

[bleak gale]

They do pretty much

[drowsy yarrow]

Tell that to the TAS guys. All of them use ||sbody||

[lethal flame]

lmao imma look into that rn

[drowsy yarrow]

speedrunners too

[bleak gale]

||any enemy or boss that takes knockback will cause steady body to give a dps increase when using quickslash||

[lethal flame]

i retract my previous statement

[drowsy yarrow]

Speedrunner: ||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4YGYEQvToA||
TAS: ||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ScLClJmmw&feature=youtu.be||

[lethal flame]

i still hold that ||mop + sbody|| >>> just ||sbody||

[bleak gale]

Crazy

||4 notches > 1 notch||

[lethal flame]

if you're using ||sbody|| might as well go all in on nail dmg

[bleak gale]

||mop doesn't increase nail damage tho,,,||

[lethal flame]

neither does ||sbody||

alas, we're not talking about direct dmg increases

[bleak gale]

||mop doesn't increase dps tho,,,||

Or at least it does by a very small amount

[drowsy yarrow]

||sbody+mop|| is a very nice combo for pillar attacks tbf

[lethal flame]

for most players ||mop|| will be a decent dmg increase

for good players it'll be minor

[ebon copper]

||sb|| only increases dps in ||absrad|| fight

[ebon copper]

that also gives no dps

[drowsy yarrow]

also every fight where a boss takes knockback

[bleak gale]

It doesn't even do that

[ebon copper]

depends, but true ig, however if you can match their speed while spammin nail, its mostly fine

[bleak gale]

You cant

[lethal flame]

ppl here be hating on ||mop|| like fromsoft fans be hating on ds2

[ebon copper]

i mean it makes the ||pogo|| tactic much better and more consistent

[bleak gale]

||it's the 4th best 3 notch charm. It just gives barely any damage compared to the others||

[ebon copper]

ig nor really s dps increase there eighter strictly speaking

[bleak gale]

||sbody doesn't affect pogoing though what||

[solid heart]

Yeah, nobody be hating on ||mop||, it's S tier

[solid heart]

Face dance

[drowsy yarrow]

It's actually a massive difference from my own experience, but I haven't measured it myself to be fair. I do know that the TAS guys and speedrunners swear by it too, and if anybody would know it'd be them.

[ebon copper]

no, it affects the knockback youd take midair and makes the turnarounds much more managable

[bleak gale]

What kinda casual player is face dancing

[pale anvil]

||I’m stuck on the part of the game where hornet yelled “SHAW” and Shawed all over hallownest||

[bleak gale]

This channel is so ass bro

[ebon copper]

its just hard to picture, as i never quite see a boss being out of my hut distance for a whole hit from knockback

[solid heart]

Kondy was saying ||SB makes facedance more consistent, which is true||

[ebon copper]

but ive also heard its a dps increase

[solid heart]

Or at least for mid skilled players

[ebon copper]

yes

[bleak gale]

I mean yeah but no one is face dancing at a casual level which is what I thought we were talking about

[bleak gale]

I can send a vid

[ebon copper]

you mean that shows off the difference?

im interested, sure, send it please

[bleak gale]

||https://youtu.be/sWSq7kDKaf0?si=oBfNBvB9g03I6bzr||

35 seconds to kill without, 20 seconds with

[drowsy yarrow]

you might be able to argue that with perfect play it'd be closer, but it really isn't according to TAS timing either

[bleak gale]

Or speedrun times

And ||steady body|| playstyle is easier anyway, you just walk forward and spam

[ebon copper]

not to be rude, but this kinda feels like one of those commertials where they show off their own product not taking dmg from like a 10th of the impact the other ones suffered
what i mean by that is that the ||sb|| fight you did was basically close to perfect, while the other one just didnt follow ||lost kin|| properly

[bleak gale]

If you can get a below 20 second fight ||without spells or steady body them I'd be glad to see it||

I was genuinely trying to test them fairly

The fight is just a lot harder without it

[ebon copper]

i just really struggle to understand why ||sb|| would be something we need when we have quite a ||long nail distance, spells, and a dash ability||

[drowsy yarrow]

You had some opportunities to cover the distance by dashing and to slash upwards at ||infection blobs|| to avoid the knockback, but that wouldn't have made up the difference anyways

[ebon copper]

i can try to, but i aint very good

still you have to agree with me, the fight you didnt use ||sb|| in looks infinitely sloppier

[bleak gale]

||after hitting lost kin, if I swing again immediately, I'll miss. Dashing takes time and doing a dash after every hit will lose a ton of time and get you hit more. Walking forward without attacking loses a lot of time. Your basically able to get off only half the swings||

[bleak gale]

Cause it's significantly harder

You can't stagger chain him as easily

[ebon copper]

have you tried walking towards him tho...

[drowsy yarrow]

It does look sloppier, but that's also because ||sbody|| is just easier to play.

[bleak gale]

Yeah and it loses dps

[drowsy yarrow]

I don't think she wasn't trying as hard or something

[bleak gale]

I can re try it while trying to be as aggro as possible in each

Anyway can we stop talking about this here this is a help chat

[ebon copper]

i have to see what time ill get, i wont be satisfied without that at this point

[worthy shore]

Without sbody you can't really stick to some bosses like ||hornet||

Also just tracking and following any boss in the air is way harder

[charred wraith]

||Steady body|| is a crutch. It helps those who struggle to keep up with the recoil. Buuut it does help in specific scenarios. Think of an acfual crutch: not really useful in everyday use outside of helping with walking, but it IS good for hitting people with

[worthy shore]

With some people they don't need to play that aggro or they just have a less aggro playstyle where killing the boss as quick as possible is not the priorety or they just prefer ||spells|| to end a fight

I have a very nail heavy playstyle

Tho i do agree

[bleak gale]

||except pro players in speedruns, hitless runs and tases all use steady body||

[worthy shore]

I always tell people to not use ||steady body||unless they are already good at nail combat

[worthy shore]

They also don't upgrade ||spells|| in their runs so they can't rely on that to end fights

[bleak gale]

||pro players in pantheon speedruns I mean||

[worthy shore]

ok.

Also soul is a more rare thing to have so that is why many of these ||pantheons|| have nail heavy builds

[bleak gale]

How is it rare...

[worthy shore]

You need to hit the enemy for it is all I mean

With the nail you have it all the time and it is always there. With ||spells|| you need to wait

[bleak gale]

||speedruns use flukenest as the only spell because fury quickslash strength steady body does more damage than any other spell||

[worthy shore]

Yeah because of the 140 dmg per hit because of the bug with the hitboxes

[bleak gale]

||spells just do too little damage outside of flukenest to be worth using||

[bleak gale]

Not rly thats not how it works anymore to my understanding

It can instakill some bosses and is mostly used to setup as a hazard for when the boss isn't on the screen

[charred wraith]

So like... do you guys wanna move this to hk-discussion or...?

[worthy shore]

Well it does a lot of damage because the hitboxes linger

[bleak gale]

Or is far away

[bleak gale]

It does a lot of damage cause it does a lot of damage as well tho

[worthy shore]

Yeah srry @charred wraith

lets move this to discussion @bleak gale

[bleak gale]

Ok

[twilit gale]

How do I add spoilers on mobile

[ebon copper]

well, i definitely didnt get 35 sec runs, tho i think i also only got 1 20 sec one

[twilit gale]

|| t ||

[ebon copper]

i couldnt upload the full trial session, so this is just the 2nd 6mins or so

[twilit gale]

|| I tried desolate diving during mantis lord scream skip in p4 and I got stuck on the ceiling 😭 ||

[ebon copper]

@bleak gale

[twilit gale]

I just started floating up and I could do everything normally except I had no gravity

[worthy shore]

@kondy These are great runs

Also these are the ||steady body and no steady body|| tests right?

[ebon copper]

its still very sloppy in my eyes, i want to not miss hits, but its good enough to hold up at least

[worthy shore]

Yeah but They are still quick

[bleak gale]

Like these are quick but you're almost dying every time. I could've played more aggressive in my ||sbody|| runs and tanked all the damage. ||Steady body|| gives you the damage without having to tank everything

[worthy shore]

You could definetly shave of at least 2 seconds tho

[ebon copper]

i dont have to tank persay,there is just no reason to kill the blobs, so i try not to kill them for style points

xd

the 2nd run i admit uses a tech thats very reliant on tanking tho

[twilit gale]

|| Do attuned enemies have same hp as radiant? ||

[bleak gale]

The blobs damage you tho :<

[ebon copper]

literarly standing in the boss and abusing invincibility frames

[bleak gale]

Sometimes

Most have increased HP but some dont

[twilit gale]

What about with || pure vessel ||

[bleak gale]

I think so

[ebon copper]

they cool

[bleak gale]

Yeah he has increased health

[twilit gale]

Aww cus I no hit it in || attuned || lmao

[ebon copper]

its also cool to see how many i can keep on the screen at once

[bleak gale]

Only like 15% more

[ebon copper]

||tho lk always ends up jumping in the middle of them so they all just die||

[keen stream]

you guys think ||rad gpz|| is easier than ||rad sly||?

[solid heart]

No

[bleak gale]

No

It's significantly harder imo

[keen stream]

is it?

[solid heart]

Only 3 bosses don't scale iirc

[solid heart]

Yeah, ||rad gpz is one of the hardest||

[bleak gale]

Like 5th hardest for me when I was doing it

Maybe 4th idr

[keen stream]

is this good?

[bleak gale]

So true

[twilit gale]

Which 3?

[ebon copper]

peak gaming

[keen stream]

i think this is the most amount of charm one can use

[solid heart]

||crest+SB instead of Baldur, dreamwielder and Sprintmaster instead of heart||

[bleak gale]

||absrad, GPZ and some other guy idr||

[twilit gale]

Alr

[solid heart]

||white defender||

[bleak gale]

Damn thought so

I should've guessed it grr

[keen stream]

i'll try to use all charm that only uses 1 ||notch||

[solid heart]

Grrr

[worthy shore]

2c pheonix has a great boss guide playlist linked here||https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQZDiJBPzNvfTzyJ-S0CGMAPaFD5QrAFP||

[bleak gale]

Curses

Foiled again

[ebon copper]

honestly..., ||zote|| should scale

[keen stream]

there's only 9 of em

[bleak gale]

I'm gonna make fun of their ||absrad|| guide

[worthy shore]

Ok

[solid heart]

There's 10

[keen stream]

i found it, this shit is peak

i'll use this in ||rad gpz||

[solid heart]

Being ||deep focus instead of Baldur||

[solid heart]

Surely lol
How outdated will it be?

[keen stream]

most ass setup

[ebon copper]

||heavy blow||

[solid heart]

And how casual friendly

[keen stream]

most useless possible setup

[worthy shore]

That it amazing

[ebon copper]

setup for failure

🔥

[keen stream]

i think i'll remove ||s body||

i cant stop moving

[ebon copper]

based, even in that build ||sb|| stinks the worst

[keen stream]

fr

[keen stream]

its so ass its not even worth using in this stupidly useless setup

[ebon copper]

i somehow feel like im presonally attacking you with this

[bleak gale]

It feels that way

[ebon copper]

in my defense its 7am and i most definitely didnt evel look at my bed

[bright sorrel]

[keen stream]

i give up, i'll use emotional support setup

[bright sorrel]

[ebon copper]

start with ||glowing womb||

[keen stream]

i dont have ||grimmothy|| in this save

[bleak gale]

What

[keen stream]

peak build

[ebon copper]

||melody|| is infinitely better anyway

[bright sorrel]

FAKE suscat

[ebon copper]

this looks like something some new players would actually come up with

[bleak gale]

Mine is better

[keen stream]

if i beat ||rad gpz|| with this setup, im a god

[ebon copper]

may be easier ||charmless|| honestly

[keen stream]

its slow but its working

[bleak gale]

I'm bored give me an ||absrad challenge run idea||

[solid heart]

||worst possible build: deep focus, thorns of agony, heavy blow, glowing womb, defender's Crest, overcharm flukenest||

[ebon copper]

one handed

[bleak gale]

||flukes are peak....||

[keen stream]

i have the worst one in mind

[bleak gale]

Kk

[solid heart]

Not with ||crest...||

[keen stream]

an absurd amount of helth

[solid heart]

@bleak gale use that build to do ||RadAbsRad||

[keen stream]

[solid heart]

I challenge Anika to do ||AnyRad while pondering about Ponder||

[bright sorrel]

i do that everyday

[ebon copper]

do it ||soulbound too||

xd

[bleak gale]

sure

[keen stream]

feels like im fighting ||gpz|| charmless

[bleak gale]

wanna watch genio?

[solid heart]

I'm sure this build is harder than charmless lol

[bleak gale]

probably

half of them do nothing tho

[ebon copper]

you should do it with ||soul binding|| on

so none of them do anything

[keen stream]

ts is gas

[bleak gale]

ill stream the fight now

surely first try

[timid horizon]

OK OK

[bleak gale]

no you dont get it

[timid horizon]

||if i kill hornet will i get her spear weopon||

[ebon copper]

ill come watch, im bored asf anway

[timid horizon]

how do i unlock new wepaons

[keen stream]

you dont

its all nails

[timid horizon]

is it able to upgrade the current weaponn=

[keen stream]

yep

[timid horizon]

okay

[solid heart]

Right, ||thorns debuff does nothing in radiant lol||

[timid horizon]

are there guns

[solid heart]

And ||heavy blow in radiance||

[solid heart]

No

[timid horizon]

can i spew lead at the enemies

aw

[keen stream]

no

[timid horizon]

is ther any ranged weapons other than soul blaster

[ebon copper]

crazy, 1st try ||rad||

[timid horizon]

radian?

[ebon copper]

wp, i wasnt familiar with your game

[ebon copper]

ye

[bleak gale]

||deepfocus and heavy blow too||

[bleak gale]

with mods yes

[night river]

oh shart

whoops

anyway what the f||uck||

[bleak gale]

goofy

[timid horizon]

are mods officially supported or is it againt rules

[solid heart]

This is a fun challenge for something like, idk
What modded boss receives knockback?

[ebon copper]

i wanna be that consistent at ||rababsrad|| what did it take to get there?

[night river]

im crygn

[bleak gale]

||lifeblood bee boy?||

theres no that many

[night river]

also guys what character is this

[solid heart]

Well, ||lifeblood master with that build, that is surely a fun challenge||

Oh I know I know
||Gorb+||

[keen stream]

best progress so far

this shit is peak

its so ass, i dont even want to complain

[night river]

WHAT IS ||GORB+||

[ebon copper]

like that fight isnt already chaotic enough, you just need ||glowing womb||...

[timid horizon]

@bleak gale

[bleak gale]

||modded gorb that shoots extra spikes||

[bleak gale]

yes theyre supported just fine

theres a modding channel in the server

[timid horizon]

ok great

[bleak gale]

surely

[timid horizon]

is it recommended that i play with mods or without mods on ng

[solid heart]

Tf is ||WD||

[night river]

i dont knwo

[solid heart]

Oh, ||white defender||

[timid horizon]

westren digital

[bleak gale]

without

[night river]

me bro

me

wart dinky

[bleak gale]

but if you wanna have some fun after beating the game then yeah try mods out

[night river]

whag

oh shasrt

++ward

kill me

[solid heart]

First playthrough only custom knight if you want skins, but I still say vanila
Try out mods after you finish everything the game has to offer

[timid horizon]

ok i will be sure to add the gun mods

[night river]

WHAT IS THIS CHARACTER

WHO IS THIS

WHARGIYHRWGU

WHO IS THIS

IM FREAKING OUT

[solid heart]

Wait wait
||Enhanced Gorb+ ascended with the worst build ever||

[bleak gale]

no :3

[bleak gale]

theres a hollow knight comic

[solid heart]

||Quirell comic Tuk-like being||

[bleak gale]

go read it

[night river]

wait! wait! uhh uhh ||grub mother|| with ||infinite charm mod|| and ||all charms||

[solid heart]

Yes :3

[keen stream]

imagine if ||gruz mother|| has moves like ||absrad||

[night river]

what is happening

[solid heart]

What is this?

Npc tier list?

[night river]

i think

i made it a while ago

geeked list

its not gameplay of bosses its also lore behind them and how much they contribute to the story etc etc

[keen stream]

||zote|| being in the bottom is very unacceptable

[night river]

im soryr

[keen stream]

||mmc|| should've been in the bad section

||mmc|| is ass

[night river]

ehh

but hes fun to fight

cause you just whack him to deagth

he has ||2 attacks|| so its pretty bland though

[ebon copper]

why so much hate against ||nosk and flying nosk||

[keen stream]

||gruzz mother|| is way better than ||mmc|| ngl

[night river]

u know why

[keen stream]

and ||GPZ||?!!!

he's awesome af

[ebon copper]

i really dont

[bright sorrel]

||ellina||

[night river]

i FUCKING hate ||zote|| im sorry

[ebon copper]

its a decently engaging bossfight

[keen stream]

his moves are decent but annoying, but he cool af

[night river]

oh

[night river]

i looked it up and it came up with ||v**e|| of it

im scared of the hk community now

[stoic cedar]

huh?

[ebon copper]

true, hes like A tier at least

[bright sorrel]

idk what ur saying but

[keen stream]

fr

[night river]

ok im srory

[keen stream]

you should make a boss tier list

like rn

[night river]

all of the bosses are included in the npc tier list

[ebon copper]

lets both make1

[keen stream]

idk how

[night river]

bocchi

[ebon copper]

kinda

[night river]

idk it looked like her

[ebon copper]

im not the biggest fan, but this emote rules

it is from yuru camp i think

wouldnt bet on it tho

[drowsy yarrow]

@Kondy Here's a couple of attempts from me on ||ascended||. Both of them have issues, but you can kind of see how much easier it is for me to stagger him with ||sbody||

[night river]

WHAT COULD THAT POSSIBLY SPOIL

[ebon copper]

like actually why

[night river]

im soryr i have a stupid sense of humour

[keen stream]

literal dog shit

[ebon copper]

thats fair, but i think with optimal gameplay the time should be really close

[night river]

o dam this is lowk cool i never read it but yea

[ebon copper]

||https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-bosses-769340|| @keen stream lets do this1

[keen stream]

das fckn awesome

ima make mine rq

[night river]

OHS WHOOPS

||gruz mother|| first

[keen stream]

is it based on difficulty?

or just the moves?

[solid heart]

I already have mine, let me find it rq, I don't think meii has seen it

[night river]

just overall i assume like gameplay and lore

[drowsy yarrow]

I relied on the wall to prevent knockback with the no-||sbody|| recording. In the middle of the arena the dps difference is a lot more noticeable. Also I actually made more mistakes in the ||sbody|| video, and I spent less time working on it despite not using any ||charms|| for like a month.

[night river]

||gruz mother is going in either b or c for me||

[radiant raft]

Real.

[night river]

what in the ||marmu|| and ||false knight|| and ||traitor lord|| hate

how does one put ||uumuu|| so insanely high

otherwise great tier list

[drowsy yarrow]

Also watching the videos, it looks like there's more time to save in the ||sbody|| video than the non-||sbody|| one, (adding up the impact of each mistake).

[solid heart]

||False knight is literally nothing. I feel nothing and I do nothing while fighting him. It's just the same set of inputs over and over again, like I'm a robot doing the same actions over and over just to prove a point that I can beat this whole pantheon hitless...||

[night river]

i hjust did this one

its a horrible tier list but only because i rushed it

[solid heart]

||TL walks into you 😡||

[night river]

also im judging based on lore and how much it impacts the story as well

[night river]

ok fair

[ebon copper]

here is mine

[night river]

this is pretty good lowkey im not seeing anything i dont lik- OHEA ||NOSK|| IS SO HIGH

[solid heart]

Check my ||nosk|| again lol

[ebon copper]

its a cool fight, and doing it with low equipment is pretty fun

[solid heart]

Ah, normal ||nosi||

[night river]

eh fair

[night river]

i HAAAATE ||nosk||

im soryr

[ebon copper]

tbf, why is ||flying nosk|| higher than the normal1?

[shut sparrow]

Guys please move off topic discussions to the discussion channels

[night river]

real

[keen stream]

this mine

[solid heart]

Because

[night river]

||oblobbles||

[keen stream]

they're still in ||attuned||

[night river]

WHAT

WHAT

WHAT

[ebon copper]

damn, ||fk and mantis lords|| so low

[night river]

[ebon copper]

unexpected upset

[night river]

i think its based on difficulty

[timid horizon]

|| how to get more notches in charm equip||

[shut sparrow]

you find them on the map or buy them from a specific shop

[keen stream]

i based it on the difficulty of the fight not how cool the fight is

[ebon copper]

ahh, k

thats a different list than, ill rearrange it for that ig

[keen stream]

should i do one based on how cool they are?

[night river]

i do it based on how much lore the character has and what impact it has on the story, and with bosses that and gameplay, not the difficulty

[night river]

yea ok lets all do that @ebon copper

[timid horizon]

are this many bosses in the game

[night river]

ok done (based on how cool they are)

[night river]

holy spoil

[shut sparrow]

Again please move to another channel

gg

[timid horizon]

wow ! thi game is totally worth

[night river]

oh so thats how long ive been listening to it

[timid horizon]

How many hour will it take if i want to complete hollow knight normally and explore most of the areas

1 ending

[shut sparrow]

[night river]

uhh usually like on your first run around ||25-30|| hours

[ebon copper]

im sorry

[night river]

M-M-M-AAAAIURGTHEBHJRINUJHG

[timid horizon]

ok that does not seem like to much

[night river]

if you want full game completion, like 112%, usually ||60-70|| hours

[timid horizon]

no not fully but omostly

[ebon copper]

oops, i left ||mantis lords|| there by accident, lel

[night river]

||SISTERS OF BATTLE IN WHAT||

||PURE VESSEL IN WHAT||

||MANTIS LORDS IN WHAT||

[ebon copper]

its not a hard fight, tho its really fun

[keen stream]

this mine

[timid horizon]

what what is 112%

[night river]

yea fair i did it on ||radiant|| fifth try

[night river]

oh shart

what

what happened to my spoiler

[timid horizon]

is it like including dlc or something

[night river]

did my spoiler just break

[night river]

uh

[ebon copper]

nice list, i can stand behind that

[timid horizon]

yes?

[night river]

yeah

[shut sparrow]

112% is basically just this game's 100%

[night river]

yeah should we put spoilers over it or no cause im nott too sure

[ebon copper]

this game doesnt really have separate dlcs, if you just download the current patch of the game it will come with all the "dlcs"

[timid horizon]

then why is it said 112% why ot just 100%

[shut sparrow]

112%? No

[shut sparrow]

It ended up being 112% because of updates

[keen stream]

cause the 12% is just the latter stuff that are actually cool

[timid horizon]

ok

[timid horizon]

later stuff is only available in ng+ or something?

[keen stream]

tis aint soulsborne

no ng+ here

[timid horizon]

ok

[ebon copper]

there are however 2 achievements that you can only get by doing the game in|| permadeath mode||

[timid horizon]

i see

[shut sparrow]

||permadeath|| would be a spoiler just like ||steelsoul|| is.
Also that's only the case if they don't play on ps

[ebon copper]

yea, i assumed pc automatically

welp

[keen stream]

theres no ||steel soul|| in ps?

[timid horizon]

is ther fast travel from different benches

[keen stream]

no

[ebon copper]

no achievement

[sudden lintel]

Save and quit

[keen stream]

there's this thing called ||stag station|| tho

[timid horizon]

Yes i discovered it

[sudden lintel]

Need more of those

Like 50% more

[ebon copper]

why are you here, i didnt sleep

[sudden lintel]

gives you sleep paralysis

[keen stream]

awesome feature, demons have gadgets now

[ebon copper]

damn, i can see something in the corner of my room

turns around

[keen stream]

theres a big burger walking down the hallway

[ebon copper]

tf, its lebron james

[timid horizon]

omg lebron the goat

[ebon copper]

want an autograph, i gotchu

[timid horizon]

you is not lebron you a fraud

[ebon copper]

no, no, hes sitting next to me, you dont get it

imma stop before ppl start being angry at me for ruining this chat

they dont

[pale sail]

hmmm okay

[keen stream]

wait a min, i have the perfect guide for that

[ebon copper]

do you have all ||mask shards?||

[keen stream]

this

[pale sail]

yeah i have all the easy obvious stuff

[ebon copper]

maybe a ||charm notch||?

[pale sail]

oh actually i see what it is right away

[shut sparrow]

how much ||essence||

[ebon copper]

there is one in ||fog canyon||

[shut sparrow]

doesn't give %

[pale sail]

it's ||pantheon 4 i think||

[ebon copper]

really?

[shut sparrow]

yes

[ebon copper]

you learn something new everyday

[pale sail]

i've only done up to three, but if fourth gives it then

yeah

[timid horizon]

wow most of the game is undrground

[keen stream]

cause its full of bugs

[timid horizon]

yes

[ebon copper]

but like well programmed bugs

[keen stream]

i wonder what the game was like when twas on beta test or smth

[ebon copper]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy2Fn8oDo1Y||

[shut sparrow]

I can tell you 5 more things you didn't know if you want

[ebon copper]

go ahead

my sleepdeprived ears are wide open

[keen stream]

barely anything changed

game looks peak since the very beginning

[keen stream]

too much grass tho

[hoary anvil]

7.8/10 too much water

[ebon copper]

we should replace it with coke

[keen stream]

wtf

i wish they didnt remove that backstep smth

it looks awesome

[hoary anvil]

||backdash|| ... i can think of a really good control for it if it was a keyboard game (being holding down both left and right arrow keys at once)

[ebon copper]

imagine how happy everyone would be if every bit of water suddenly transformed into coke

[stark heron]

hey, how do I make the second thing glow ?

[keen stream]

does ||flukenest|| work against ||noskwings||

[shut sparrow]

||proceed with the pantheons||

[keen stream]

you need to fight the better version of em

[stark heron]

oh okay thanks

will it glow if I || defeat them in pantheon of hallownest|| ?

[keen stream]

nah

you need to fight them there again

[stark heron]

where I am ?

[shut sparrow]

yes

[keen stream]

a lever will appear there

in that very statue

[stark heron]

kay ty

[timid horizon]

||I have aquired a thorns charm is it good||

[keen stream]

fckn ||absrad|| once again

[ebon copper]

you doing ||radhog|| again?

[shut sparrow]

sadly it's horrible

[timid horizon]

wow i just wasted 5 minute of my life trying to get it

[shut sparrow]

damn good progress! You'll get them soon

[keen stream]

its my first ||radhog||

[shut sparrow]

well getting more charms is good for multiple reasons

[keen stream]

i wont do ||oblobbles|| tho

[ebon copper]

ah, somehow i was sure you did it once

[keen stream]

i'll leave that as it is

[ebon copper]

its much easier than ||absrad||

[shut sparrow]

it would take a lot less time than ||absrad||

[keen stream]

i'll ||rad absrad|| first, then break for a few days or finish ||steel soul|| then come back here ask how to ||radiant oblobbles||

[shut sparrow]

there's not a lot to ask about them

||nailarts and shade soul||

[ebon copper]

it really isnt that bad, its basically free if you manage to kill one of them

also focusing one of them helps a lot

[keen stream]

best charm setup my brain can ever come up with

fckn ||ascended|| hitless

[timid horizon]

some areas are to dark does this mean i am not suppose to go here yet

[shut sparrow]

don't use ||fury|| if you aren't speedrunning
unless you find it fun of course

[keen stream]

||strength and fury|| is like a god given weapon

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for speedrunners

[keen stream]

its awesomely fun, i tried it on ||pv|| and he did ||tendrils|| before even doing ||soul explosion||

[shut sparrow]

it's true it's very fun

[ebon copper]

its so good, like ||fury|| is amazing

everything just melts

[keen stream]

and kinda good for practicing ||radiant||

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you should do ||p3ab||

[ebon copper]

i mean, not really, since you do much more dmg

[ebon copper]

[timid horizon]

some areas are to dark does this mean i am not suppose to go here yet

[ebon copper]

i dont wanna, its too bothersome

[shut sparrow]

only really bad thing is ||collector||

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nuh uh it's great

[keen stream]

you need an item for that

[ebon copper]

||i just hate being on 4hp with 1 charge of healing and spellcast shared...||

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did you do ||p1ab and p2ab?||

[keen stream]

craft torches

[timid horizon]

oh is the one for 1200 runes at that guy's shop

[ebon copper]

i mean, they are kinda easy

[keen stream]

1800

[timid horizon]

ok

[shut sparrow]

There's nothing you're "not supposed" to do yet but if you can't continue or feel like it's too difficult then leave and come back to it later

[ebon copper]

i just hate being on low hp, eventho i should technically be confident in not getting hit, just seeing that i only have ||4hp|| makes me take hits...

[shut sparrow]

subjective, but yeah ||p3ab|| is quite a step up

[shut sparrow]

ya I get that

at least there isn't too much ||2 damage stuff in p3 yet||

[keen stream]

im willing to do 3 ||bindings in pantheon|| as long as i have charms

[ebon copper]

ye, tho tbf, im not that scared of the ||2dmg|| bosses other than ||absrad||

[keen stream]

life without charms is

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TRUE ||the real challenge is ||

[ebon copper]

id rather be ||charmless|| than on ||4hp||

[keen stream]

you can use all ||lifeblood|| charms and ||heart||

[ebon copper]

fking hate that asshole, always takes away like ||4 lifeblood||

[shut sparrow]

she is peak

[ebon copper]

still worse than just having the ||9 healable hearts||

[timid horizon]

whattt i cant even say the name of the game??

tspmo

[shut sparrow]

sorry the bot is weird sometimes

[timid horizon]

is it bad if the souls meter is broken

[keen stream]

hk is good tho