hk-help

[mighty crow]

Can I see your charms? I want to see something

[leaden brook]

here check this out @lethal flame

[mighty crow]

Never mind, I just scrolled up

[leaden brook]

here

[lethal flame]

There are charms that cost 15k geo

That's not a lot xd

[leaden brook]

wow

so later?

[spark cradle]

i luv you all 😍

[mighty crow]

CONGRATS!!!

[spark cradle]

||i dont have 112% neither p5||

[thick wing]

no. nonononoo
this cant be
surely there's some way, right?

[lethal flame]

You can just leave him there

[spark cradle]

||but atleast some done ♥️ ||

[thick wing]

okay, i will

[spark cradle]

tyyyy ❤️

[mighty crow]

I think you have this if you have them all ||radiant||

Especially ||Zote||

[spark cradle]

bottom right corner ahhh

[drowsy yarrow]

You can do it. Just gotta practice ||absrad|| a bit

[mighty crow]

I would suggest going to ||abyss|| first.

[spark cradle]

||cant be harder than ascended markoth||

[leaden brook]

yea sure going there now

[lethal flame]

||Absrad|| is nowhere near as difficult as ||rad markoth||

[drowsy yarrow]

it can but maybe more fun

[leaden brook]

||was the door in deepnest or somewhere else||

[solid heart]

What do? ||Give him his prize for the fruits of his labor, and give him his most desired death, in peace with himself, and proud of his accomplishments, to be remembered proudly, or see where the world takes him, and maybe find a new way to live...||

[spark cradle]

|| it looks so overwhelming ||

[thick wing]

latter

[mighty crow]

Check ||anchet basin||

[snow steppe]

contact damage is the hardest boss

[leaden brook]

okk

[spark cradle]

who is contact damage

[snow steppe]

bumping into the enemy

[spark cradle]

what did i miss

[snow steppe]

yk when u walk into an enemy

you take damage

thats what i mean

[leaden brook]

alr guys wish me luck

[drowsy yarrow]

||Normal absrad|| might be similar difficulty to ||ascended markoth||. ||Radiant absrad|| was worse for me than ||radiant Markoth||, but not for everyone.

[mighty crow]

Good luck!

[thick wing]

okay, now with the nail over with i hope to fucking GOD that the remaining ||mask shards|| are not via ||grubs.||

[solid heart]

||RAbsRad is harder than RMarkoth, just some people struggle for longer for Markoth because of various reasons, mostly luck||

[mighty crow]

🤷

[runic belfry]

iirc most are just exploration

|| then some where u save someone or smth ||

[runic belfry]

|| flower and bretta ||

[drowsy yarrow]

I thought so. But after reading a bunch of other people's struggles on reddit I doubted my evaluation

[acoustic sigil]

Common r/hollowknight L

[tawny sapphire]

[drowsy yarrow]

For the remaining ||shards||, you can use the online checklist. I don't think there's much left that would spoil things for you. If you don't want to search everywhere in ||Hallownest|| I can copy just the ||shard locations|| here

[lethal flame]

||Radkoth|| was a lot harder than ||radabsrad|| for me, personally

Took me more than 100 attempts, vs around 50 ||radabsrad|| attempts

[drowsy yarrow]

To be fair I also had more attempts on ||radkoth|| but half as much total time

[buoyant flame]

How did i miss ||Galien||

[mighty crow]

He’s not that hard to miss

[buoyant flame]

I probably skipped him because he was in ||deepnest||

And it was difficult to get my ||shade|| back

[mighty crow]

Fair

[bronze kettle]

||After Deepnest should I go back to City of Tears or use the tram?||

Why didn't the formatting work the first time?

[mighty crow]

I would suggest ||tram||, it gives you more options

[buoyant flame]

I am literally using that ||tram|| rn

I still have the beat ||colo3||

[heavy cliff]

dw it aint that bad

you might die here or there but its not too bad

[mighty crow]

||Primal aspids||

[buoyant flame]

Probably just like 2 but harder

[buoyant flame]

I don't think they are that bad

[heavy cliff]

do yku have ||shaman stone and fully upgraded nail||?

[mighty crow]

They always get me TT

Yes

[heavy cliff]

because it trivalizes the entire fight

oh and ||qf|| will help too

[mighty crow]

They just have aim bot or I’m predictable

[buoyant flame]

Yes, I have ||all charms|| and ||Pure Nail||

[heavy cliff]

ok good you can 3 shot em

[buoyant flame]

I just wait for them to shoot, do a small hop over it, hit and repeat

[heavy cliff]

and 1 ||shriek|| should kill em

[thick wing]

if they're not outside any of these areas then sure send them

[mighty crow]

I know that, but unless I ||shade dash|| they will hit me. No. Matter. What.

[heavy cliff]

(or just use || shriek to insta kill them||)

[buoyant flame]

I hit ||Millibelle|| out of the ||Pleasure House||

[heavy cliff]

or ||ddark|| for those yummy yummy iframes

[buoyant flame]

Yummy

[heavy cliff]

you need to be executed for your sins

[buoyant flame]

She stole from me, it was deserved.

[heavy cliff]

oh her

not the other one that sang

[buoyant flame]

Yeah

[heavy cliff]

nvm you good

[buoyant flame]

No

[heavy cliff]

at least you make your money back and more

[buoyant flame]

||colo3|| time

[heavy cliff]

but she gives less money when ||knocked out of pleasure house||

gl

[buoyant flame]

I put I think 4500 in all at once and got like 7k

[heavy cliff]

remember, ||god tamer is beaten when you beat the big bug, not the one with sword, cause if oyu kill big bug, both of them die||

[thick wing]

no

no fucking way i gotta do ||delicate flower|| for a SHARD

[heavy cliff]

its easy

(not its not)

clear the path on the way to the ||grave|| and THEN pick up the ||flower||

and no, you cannot ||dream nail tp||

[ruby shuttle]

or use ||stags||

[heavy cliff]

or || any kind of fast travel||

[lethal flame]

I mean, untrue

They can benchwarp

Wait no

Nvm

[lethal flame]

The bench is set to the ||grey mourner's|| bench

[thick wing]

uh
dosnt that break it

[heavy cliff]

yes

[ruby shuttle]

yeah

[heavy cliff]

thats why you dont use it

btw spoiler

[thick wing]

slight problem where do i exactly need to take the ||flower||?

[ruby shuttle]

||to queens gardens||

the room above the ||stag||

[buoyant flame]

Oof, I died in ||colo3||

[worldly condor]

Hi, I’d like some help because I’m stuck at a part of the game. I can’t defeat the ||Soul Master.|| Is there anyone available on PS5 so I can share my game with them and they can beat him for me? Thanks!

[drowsy yarrow]

That'd be like using invincibility. You can beat him, I believe

[runic belfry]

you can do that?

[worldly condor]

yes on ps5

[worldly condor]

I just know I don’t feel like spending my whole life on it — I had a way easier time with Malenia than with the bosses in Hollow Knight.

[drowsy yarrow]

You might have to skip all the remaining bosses then unfortunately

[worldly condor]

yeah

[thick wing]

is it this place i have to deliver the ||flower|| to

[hard grotto]

Yes

[shrewd crypt]

Yes ^^

[thick wing]

this is gonna be tuff

[leaden brook]

this game is getting mind boggling

i am so curious atm]

[hard grotto]

You should spoiler this

[leaden brook]

alr

[snow steppe]

u didnt

[leaden brook]

i think i put it

[snow steppe]

nope

u didnt

[leaden brook]

oh man

[drowsy yarrow]

It's spoilered for me

[leaden brook]

yess

maybe you clicked it lol

@snow steppe

||is this peak moment @drowsy yarrow ?||

[drowsy yarrow]

But I had to close and reopen to check. I might click it subconsciously at this point

It is a great story

[thick wing]

this is an actual heart attack simulator

[drowsy yarrow]

I wish I had a heart rate monitor when doing my last challenge for this game

[opaque quarry]

exuse me but how?

[royal skiff]

||how difficult is hornet just before the wyrm||

[thick wing]

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

OH MY FUCKING GOD

I BROKE IT RIGHT AS I REACHED THE ROOM

I PANICKED NO FUCK

[opaque quarry]

thamks

[drowsy yarrow]

It's okay, happens. Sometimes happens to people 3 times in a row

[royal skiff]

||worth deafening hornet in kingdoms edge?||

[drowsy yarrow]

Probably the fastest boss you've faced, but manageable. Very much worth it.

[thick wing]

Umm, if you go for the ||true ending||, sure. Gives you a new ability.

[royal skiff]

|| what attacks does she do, and what charms should I use||

[drowsy yarrow]

Same attacks mostly. Use the ||charms|| you're comfortable with. Don't ||greed|| for extra slashes. One slash, back off and watch her closely.

[royal skiff]

Ok I'll give it a shot and come back in a sec

[thick wing]

||Attacks are same as the 1st encounter, just that she is much faster and at times protects herself. Nothing much crazy, but the spikes go hard in 2nd phase. Be sure to break them as soon as they come. For charms, get quick slash maybe. Idk, it's all about your style to beat bosses.|| (No spoiler for @royal skiff)

[royal skiff]

|| yeah she's fast alright, I don't rlly have a style, I suck at the bosses I've just been lucky this far, lemme send a ss of my charms ||

[drowsy yarrow]

@crystal tide I think ||greed|| should be whitelisted. Example usage: "Don't ||greed|| for extra slashes"

[thick wing]

i

[snow steppe]

oh

[thick wing]

Ya, you got a lot of decent charms. And the thing that you have ||Flukemarm||, will be a great addition to the list.

[royal skiff]

||flukenest?||

[thick wing]

You should dm the mods about that, the bots won't respond anyway.

[acoustic sigil]

The user pinged is literally a mod

[thick wing]

Yeah, whatever is that. Long time I completed the game, you know.

[drowsy yarrow]

That's the owner of the bot

not an actual bot

[acoustic sigil]

That said, the pins say to modmail

Cause KarK might not check all pings he recieves

[royal skiff]

||us there a stag station in kingdoms edge?||

[thick wing]

Whatever.

[acoustic sigil]

No

[snow steppe]

what ||charms|| should i use for ||p4||

[acoustic sigil]

Do you use ||spells||?

[thick wing]

??????????

[snow steppe]

yea

ig

[acoustic sigil]

Hybrid
||I would recommend shaman stone, quick slash, strength and any of these: spell twister, steady body, grubsong, nail masters glory.||
||Nail only||
||I would recommend mark of pride, quick slash, strength and any of these: steady body, grubsong, nail masters glory.||

[snow steppe]

how the darkness feels without ||lumafly||

[thick wing]

did my lumafly fucking die or something

[acoustic sigil]

Idk where you are but that does not look like something that is supposed to happen

[thick wing]

||P4||... well ask someone else out there who has done them. I am a sucker at ||pantheons||. I mean, getting ||strength|| and ||Flukemarm|| is still canon ig.

[thick wing]

now i gotta clear out the path AGAIN

CLUTCHD IT HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[thick wing]

Sis locked in so hard that the game glitches out lol

[snow steppe]

ima try with ||strength, q slash, shaman, steady body and grubsong||

[thick wing]

r/suddenlydarksouls

[thick wing]

For all we can do is try

[royal skiff]

|| I'm gonna need to be bay coached thru hornet I acc can't, I'm so bad at the bosses ||

[thick wing]

Even firebørn said that during his 1st playthrough.

[snow steppe]

basically ||hornet in greenpath but has spikes and the counter thing|| and faster

[sinful thistle]

Tips for the || final absrad phase with the orbs? ||

[thick wing]

Handling the ||spikes|| while defending her ||'shaws'|| is by far the worst thing a mid game boss could have.

[royal skiff]

||what the heck does shape off unn do rhat was useless||

[snow steppe]

you can hit the ||spikes|| with ||shade soul||

[thick wing]

||Use dash as effectively as you can. Pogo, dash, repeat.||

[sinful thistle]

Well yeah but I can't see myself for most of the time when I pogo

[obtuse sky]

Does anyone have advices against my worst ennemies,I named : ||the Oblobble (in radiant)||

[thick wing]

I don't think I even used ||spells|| in that boss fight, fought as much patiently as I could.

[drowsy yarrow]

For that reason I don't do the pogo strat. I have a video if you'd like to see for when I absolutely cannot take damage

[wooden ice]

how do you guys beat the second phase of ||sly||? he is a real bitch to me in ||p5||

[thick wing]

Makes sense. ||Dash|| immediately I say. Your reaction time matters there.

[royal skiff]

|| best charms against hornet? 😭 ||

[sleek rapids]

What I did is use ||soul eater dreamshield shaman stone and unbreakable strength||

Beat it first att with that build

[thick wing]

Patience, dedication and determination. Costs 2 ||notches|| each.

[sleek rapids]

Only go for one hit at a time

[obtuse sky]

Will try it, never played with the shield before

[thick wing]

i got my ||mask shard|| yay

[royal skiff]

|| I'm completely stuck idk whatta do cuz I csnr beat the watcher knights, can't beat hornet, cant beat the mantis Lords so I've gone back to hornet again, is there smrh better i should be doing atp in the game ||

[snow steppe]

istg the ||infected balloons||

[thick wing]

roars of ||anyrad|| from behind

[snow steppe]

cant even heal

[solid heart]

Now only charms remaining

[thick wing]

Wtf you mean by ||cant beat mantis lord's||? Serious skill issue spotted.

[thick wing]

SHARD

[sleek rapids]

||hornet|| is prob the best option, when she puts up the spikes, use ||fireball|| on them and only go for one hit at a time or you'll prob get hit

[solid heart]

Oh

Wait

[royal skiff]

|| I'm dookie and I had ro get my friend ro beat the soul guy, love the game but I'm dreadful at it||

[solid heart]

Why only the plural 😭

[sleek rapids]

Racist bot

[thick wing]

The bot be like - Shard is ok. ||Shards|| is not

[solid heart]

Did you ||find the secret torch in cliffs?||

[thick wing]

Bro, you need a lot of practice I say. Patience, dedication and determination. Remember it.

[thick wing]

||grimm master?|| already beat him once lmfao

[solid heart]

Ah great

[lethal flame]

You can't beat ||mantis lords|| but have already found ||hornet 2||? 💀 holy non-linearity

[thick wing]

i got the ||notch||

I mean, ||anyrad|| doesn't have platforms tho.

[solid heart]

She does?

[thick wing]

Same point bro

[thick wing]

Bro, I didn't say ||absrad||

[solid heart]

Yeah, ik, ||AnyRad||

She has platforms

[solid heart]

Did you see what's inside the other tent?

[drowsy yarrow]

I was responding to someone who asked about the final phase of ||absrad|| not ||anyrad||

[opaque quarry]

now what (my last ||grub)||

[thick wing]

Oh yes it has, but what use if the platform is spiky?

[sleek rapids]

I think you have to go from above

[thick wing]

mhm

[solid heart]

Pogo off of it, ||ddark||

[thick wing]

All I said was to pogo on last phase, proves my point.

[solid heart]

I was just confused to why you said she had no plats, but yeah, what you said is true

[thick wing]

I had forgot. Damn, looks like I really gotta replay the game, for I am forgetting the simplest things.

Alr, I gtg. Gn everone

[drowsy yarrow]

gn

[solid heart]

Gn

[drowsy yarrow]

You can beat them. There's a good skill progression in this game. Just takes a good mindset and sometimes tips from others.

I suggest trying ||Mantis Lords|| again first

[drowsy yarrow]

That one is a stinker. ||There's a gap in the ceiling.||

[snow steppe]

any tips for ||p4||

[drowsy yarrow]

How far have you gotten?

[snow steppe]

i keep dying to ||lost kin||

dumbass keeps spamming ||infected balloons||

[ruby shuttle]

i use ||dcrest|| to get rid of them

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah those are annoying. There are opportunities where you can safely hit them. ||Lost Kin|| has a sort of rhythm to its attacks, and between attacks you can safely hit the ||balloons||. Be wary that sometimes ||nail swings|| and ||shade soul|| trigger an immediate ||dash attack|| in retaliation

When it jumps, try not to predict where it will land. React slower to give yourself an easier time dodging it.

[snow steppe]

yea when the ||infected balloons|| appear every 4 seconds and i when i try to kill them i just get hit by ||lost kin||

cuz by brain cant focus on 2 different things at once

ima just train ||lost kin|| in ||hall of gods||

[drowsy yarrow]

If you feel trapped, ||ddark||. You get a lot of ||invincibility frames|| and will often clear out the surrounding ||balloons||

[thick wing]

just one away

[drowsy yarrow]

Nice. Which one?

[snow steppe]

||when hes stunned i try to heal but them fucking balloons have to appear||

[drowsy yarrow]

Oh right. You can try to predict when he's about to get ||stunned||. Or just focus on the ||balloons|| as soon as he's ||stunned|| instead of ||healing|| right away

[snow steppe]

yea when i kill one of them and try to heal they just hit me

cuz they spawn too fast

[drowsy yarrow]

It takes a little finesse, but you can hit one or two and have a chance to ||heal|| afterwards every time.

[snow steppe]

this is hell

ima play tmrw

[thick wing]

gg.

i'm missing 8 charms @solid heart

[stone trellis]

i need help with the ||brooding mawlek||, how do i dodge the attack where it just releases bunch of those orange projectiles?

[jade sedge]

Can you send a spoiler tagged screenshot of your inventory

[stone trellis]

i cant rn since im playing from another device

i never used the|| mantis claws ||to reach it

[jade sedge]

?tag uncspoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 An unnecessary spoiler is a spoiler (even a tagged one!) that was not directly requested by the user being helped, such as help referencing in-game content that the player has not necessarily reached - Charms build containing Charms they haven’t found, for example. These spoilers, though generally good-intentioned, can harm a player’s experience as any other spoiler would. Remember the game is non-linear; Always make sure to know what a player has and where they’ve reached. A simple screenshot of their map and inventory would tell you all you need to know.

[stone trellis]

i was able to reach it by just jumping on some spikes using my nail

[thick wing]

i mean yeah but that's somewhat unintended

you shouldn't fight the ||mawlek|| yet, do a handful more bosses then come back when you have the right abilities in order to reach the fight

[stone trellis]

ok

[thick wing]

can't really help without a screenshot

[leaden brook]

cant find way after this

[jade sedge]

Yeah but you shouldnt mention ||dash or claw||. What you do is just not help if they do not give the information required, or just give super generic tips

[leaden brook]

otso can you check the ss

[jade sedge]

Do you want to know how to get to where the arrow is pointing or what?

[thick wing]

fair

[leaden brook]

||cant see a path after that except for that hanging log from above which only be cut down if you're on the other side.||

[jade sedge]

||You cant reach the other side from this room. That is just a kind of a shortcut for when you reach the other side||

[leaden brook]

||wait what the game just ended, man, what a journey. I didnt even realise.||

||so hollow knight was really the final boss.||

[eternal cedar]

how do i get to this little ledge?

[ruby shuttle]

||dash then double jump||

[acoustic sigil]

||(You can continue after getting an ending)||

[leaden brook]

||yep just realised there must be multiple endings, I think this was not it. I one-timed hollow knight lol. Is he considered difficult?||

[acoustic sigil]

No

[ruby shuttle]

hes probably a 5-6/10 on the hard scale

[lethal flame]

If ||MMC|| is a 0 and ||absrad|| is a 10, ||thk|| is probably in the 3-4 range

[leaden brook]

nice

what might be the best combination now that I am trying for the

||true endings||

here

[lethal flame]

You're missing lotta ||notches||

You only have good charms for a ||spell|| build

||Shaman + twister + grubsong + soul catcher|| would be my choice

[leaden brook]

but i believe it was the last one?

||there are places i havent been to||

[lethal flame]

There are 11 total

[leaden brook]

||where should I head now? any idea||

||collect dream essence?||

[solid heart]

You missed something ||where it all began||

[lethal flame]

Depends on what you're looking for

[acoustic sigil]

Yes that seems like a good idea, if you are heading for ||true ending||

[thick wing]

not rn im in bed me gonna honk mimimimimi

ill keep it in mind tomorrow though

[leaden brook]

yea man + collecting a lot of items.

||I still havent discovered dlc related stuff, places like white palace etc. how do i get there?||

[stiff yew]

||can someone who knows more about the game tell me where this farm is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2EihyH1Jjg||

[acoustic sigil]

||Fwiw, white palace isn't dlc. First step of getting there is more essence||

[stiff yew]

really need it for ||unbreakable strength||

[leaden brook]

alr will focus on that thanks.

[karmic glade]

speaking of ||white palace||

what are the best charms for ||path of pain||

[acoustic sigil]

||I would personally do colo 2, because while it is less efficient, it is a lot more fun/less tedious imo||

[acoustic sigil]

||Deep focus, grubsong is the main key, after that it doesn't matter too much, I would do Shaman stone + mark of pride||

[leaden brook]

||any guide on boss fights which are best for collecting essence efficiently? @acoustic sigil||

[karmic glade]

why ||shaman stone||

[acoustic sigil]

It's a surprise tool that will help you later

[acoustic sigil]

||You can buy pins for the dream warriors from iselda (map shop). Besides that, try revisiting bosses that left behind a corpse when they died||

[leaden brook]

alr ty man

[tepid badge]

Hey, can I have some suggestions on ||GPZ? Somehow I can beat NKG consistently and I don't even get through half of GPZ's health before I die.||

[solid heart]

That's just normal lol, try to learn ways to avoid the rng, like ||specific ddarks or dashes||
@daring moat can you help?

[opaque quarry]

what ||charms|| for ||p1||

||also i main sharp shadow so im not gonna take it off||

[hoary anvil]

||glowing womb, joni's blessing, deep focus||

honlestly just pick standard good ones

[sleek rapids]

I hate the ||tamer|| in ||god tamer|| so much, shes so useless yet so annoying

[opaque quarry]

||glowing womb is horrible tho||

[hoary anvil]

that one was a joke, hence the strikethrough

[opaque quarry]

oh

[hoary anvil]

(note: ||joni's and deep focus are actively contradictory charms to include||)

[opaque quarry]

i so badly want to say "nO ||ShOoT|| ShErLoCk but im not. but seriously i need actually suggestions

[lethal flame]

||Sharp shadow|| bad

[hoary anvil]

(standard good ones being among the ranks of ||shaman stone, spell twister, strength, quick slash, for some people mark of pride/etc, in my opinion quick focus & shape of unn, and good fillers of grubsong, steady body, nailmaster's glory, and (sometimes) dream weilder. i'll sometimes use weaversong + grubsong for a soul generation combo||)

[opaque quarry]

not in my opion

[lethal flame]

It's almost objectively bad tho

Opinions aside

[opaque quarry]

not for me

[hoary anvil]

i would say it's more niche then bad

[lethal flame]

You don't seem to understand what 'objectively' means

You can use it if you like it

It's bad tho

[opaque quarry]

it like carried me through most ||bosses|| and yes it is objectivly bad but im saying for me its good since it lets me not die

[hoary anvil]

it doesn't actively harm you (unless you're doing specific ||platforming challenges||), it provides benefits, it's not "objectively" bad.

[lethal flame]

For ||pantheons||, ||quick slash, strength, shaman, twister, steady body|| are all good charms

[lethal flame]

You can't look exclusively at what a charm does and go "see, it doesn't hurt you therefore it's good"

It'd be a nice 1 cost charm

[hoary anvil]

it does help though

[lethal flame]

But since it costs 2 slots, there are better options

[lethal flame]

Doesn't matter. By your logic ||kingsoul|| isn't bad because it 'helps'

[hoary anvil]

||- increased dash range allows you to dodge a good chunk of attacks more easily

• does some extra chip damage as an added bonus||

[opaque quarry]

alright this is turning into an arguement i think. we should stop

[lethal flame]

Nah he's just made a very very bad argument and leaving that be would be a disservice

[opaque quarry]

no seriously this is hk-help not discussion

plwease

[lethal flame]

So true

[lethal flame]

Anyway here are the good charms

||mop|| is fine if you use both ||strength and quick slash||

[shut sparrow]

it can just as well hurt you

[hoary anvil]

playstyle dependent. if you're a ||sharp shadow|| user you already account for it. i'm not personally, but...

[stiff yew]

|| why does the stag station in stag nest not work?||

[hoary anvil]

-# me on my way to get flamed for being a ||shape of unn|| user

[shut sparrow]

imo this is missing ||catcher, unn, grubsong, nmg, qf, wielder and maybe stalwart||

[glad lava]

||qf|| carries me

[bronze kettle]

What is ||Mask Maker|| for? Does it combine for ||mask shards|| because I thought it's like Zelda where it just ||connects automatically||

[hoary anvil]

i still stand by this statement

[shut sparrow]

||no, I'm talking about it actively reducing your dps in some cases. The pros usually overweigh the cons but it's there||

[glad lava]

just an NPC, no function

[hoary anvil]

how so? ||taking longer to get back to the boss||?

[lethal flame]

I wanted to go with the "can't go wrong" charms only

[shut sparrow]

no it's peak

[hoary anvil]

doesn't increase your dps

[shut sparrow]

you can't go wrong with the ones I named either

[halcyon girder]

Hi
I started the game a few days ago. I just discovered a new location, but it's not updating.
Is this normal?

[shut sparrow]

there are many strong charms that don't increase dps

[lethal flame]

I dunno if ||shape of unn|| is exclusively good in ||p1|| or something so I ain't saying anything

Def sus

[glad lava]

while ||shadow dashing you’re not nail hitting|| iirc

[shut sparrow]

||each area has a separate map that you'll need to get||

[opaque quarry]

you need ||quill|| or ||sit on bench|| if you have it

[hoary anvil]

i mean that's true whether or not you're using ||sharp shadow||, so...

[halcyon girder]

Ah ok tks

[shut sparrow]

it's good for ||the majority of bosses no matter the pantheon||

[halcyon girder]

I was on a bench

[glad lava]

but with it you’re generally going to be ||shadow dashing more frequently|| and so attacking less

[shut sparrow]

||that and the dash takes longer||

[hoary anvil]

i suppose that would be playstyle dependent...

[opaque quarry]

truly the only reason why i use ||ss|| is since im bad at dodging ||and i can just go through things better.||

[hoary anvil]

does it now? i thought it just ||moved faster -> farther in the same amount of time||

[opaque quarry]

it just makes it longer

[glad lava]

the difference will be almost insignificant

[shut sparrow]

it's the case in many scenarios where it makes a small difference but it can also have a big impact. Take ||radiance's beam walls as an example||

[opaque quarry]

||dash|| goes farther

[shut sparrow]

the only way to really get better at it is without the charm tho

[opaque quarry]

thats true

[lethal flame]

Wait so you're only using it as a crutch

That's even worse

[shut sparrow]

no it takes longer

speed is the same iirc

[opaque quarry]

if it carries it carries.

[hoary anvil]

-# i thought it was used in ||path of pain|| speedruns...

[glad lava]

why is it a bad thing that they’re using it as a solution to their problem

[glad lava]

god no, ||pop with sharp shadow|| is a nightmare

[shut sparrow]

there is a difference between ||dash speed and overall speed. The dash speed stays the same. However since you dash for a longer duration overall you're faster||

[hoary anvil]

note how i said speedruns

(not casual runs)

[lethal flame]

They're disallowing themselves from improving in their spacing issue for the cost of 2 charm ||notches||

So they're basically nerfing themselves and simultaneously preventing improvement

[hoary anvil]

-# my brain expects the exact same take about ||shape of unn|| ... could be argued on any charm really though.

-# "using ||strength|| makes the thing die faster, so you aren't getting as good at dodging it and so are impairing your learning"

[lethal flame]

When (if ever) they decide to get rid of ||sharp shadow||, they'll have a rough time adjusting. That's not a position I imagine anyone would like to be in

[glad lava]

as pokegeek says the same argument could be made of any charm

[lethal flame]

To be forced to use a charm so the game feels right

[glad lava]

*aside from the nerfing part

[lethal flame]

That doesn't make any sense

[glad lava]

||average steady body user||

[shut sparrow]

||shape of unn can create a lot of new healing windows. That is what makes it strong. It doesn't compensate for missing skill. And if that's how you use it then yes, it has the same negative effect as sharp shadow.||

[burnt siren]

Oh gee are we discussing marp again

[shut sparrow]

marp

[burnt siren]

Marp

[glad lava]

“With ||strength|| you kill the boss quicker, so you get less dodging practice”

[burnt siren]

Yeah ||charms|| are weak stuff

[lethal flame]

This is such a bad point it's crazy if you're serious

[burnt siren]

Only bad players use them

[lethal flame]

With and without ||str|| the boss will play the same. Maybe you'll see less of their moves if you kill them faster, but if you can kill them fast you're already good at them anyway

[glad lava]

fr

[lethal flame]

With ||sharp shadow|| you have to change your positioning and ||dash|| timings

[burnt siren]

What is the argument for today actually can somebody catch me up

[lethal flame]

It fundamentally alters the way you interact with one of the most important aspects of combat

[shut sparrow]

marp

[burnt siren]

I've made like multiple video essays on this topic and at least 50% of them are not awful so I'm definitely the expert

[burnt siren]

It's mostly bad if you're trying to go fast and teaches bad habits

But it sure feels sick as hell to use !!

[hoary anvil]

to me the discussion is ||sharp shadow: actively bad or just niche?||
-# maybe i'm not interpreting right, who knows, my take is ||niche, useful in some cases and is playstyle dependant for others||

[burnt siren]

Oh uh

Niche for sure

It has a few good uses

You can ||dash through failed champ||

It's pretty good there

[lethal flame]

How bad does a charm have to be to be "bad" for u

[burnt siren]

I call them bad if they don't have any real applications

||spore shroom|| comes to mind

There's plenty more

[shut sparrow]

I think just because something is niche doesn't mean it can't be bad. At some point something is so niche that it's considered bad. There is some use for every charm which doesn't mean there aren't any bad ones

[burnt siren]

But I'd say 3/4 are niche to good

At least

[glad lava]

||defender’s crest? Glowing womb?||

[burnt siren]

||crest|| has a use case

[shut sparrow]

both of those have a usecase

[burnt siren]

It can make it easier to heal in ||kin||

[shut sparrow]

still I'd consider them bad

[burnt siren]

||womb|| I don't know the use case

[glad lava]

right ofc

[hoary anvil]

what's the case for ||glowing womb||?

[shut sparrow]

||absrad Speedruns||

[glad lava]

I found minions useful in the ||no ground colo stages||

[hoary anvil]

oh wait i saw it in a il speedrun of ||radiance|| because they were too busy ||using fury to use their soul for anything else||

[burnt siren]

I used a ||minion build|| for ||eo|| lmao

[glad lava]

||eo?||

[burnt siren]

||eternal ordeal||

[glad lava]

ah

[shut sparrow]

that is not a usecase 😭

[burnt siren]

Twas peak trust

[lethal flame]

Aight. What if someone goes "I use ||spore shroom|| to kill the ||infected bubbles in lost kin fight||. I'd say, sure, that's an application of the charm, but doesn't make it any less terrible. There are better ways to invest 1 charm ||notch|| in order to overcome this hassle.
I say this because the dude is using ||sharp shadow|| in order to avoid having to improve in his ||dash|| spacing and timing. The man is investing charm ||notches|| into not having to improve at the game. I can understand the application of ||dashing|| through ||failed champ|| because that's normally impossible, but the dude is using it to ||dash|| through, i dunno, ||nkg||, something that's already possible

I find this hard to justify

[burnt siren]

I think we worry too much about good vs bad builds but at the end of the day the goal is to make people more comfortable in their playing. ||shaman|| is the one exception since imo it encourages a more fun gameplay style so I usually recommend it. Every charm is a crutch.

[hoary anvil]

do itemless challenges

[burnt siren]

Imo if you found a charm that lets you circumnavigate a specific part of a fight, you're using charms correctly

[glad lava]

this

[burnt siren]

None of this "you're putting off learning it". You're focusing your efforts on what matters.

[lethal flame]

I agree with the circurventing a specific part of a fight part. Not all fights tho

Literally all of em

[shut sparrow]

it depends what people come here for imo. If they want to know an actual top tier charm build then they should also get one. Otherwise I agree that what's most important is the person playing having the most fun

[proper frost]

Are we having a charm debate rn

[shut sparrow]

you missed it 😔

[burnt siren]

The only charm that circumvents learning all fights is ||quick slash||

Or actually

||quick focus stalwart||

[proper frost]

Good

[burnt siren]

This is the only way to circumvent learning

[shut sparrow]

holy shit Roma ||eternal sunset final is bad 😭||

[proper frost]

Gool duck...

[burnt siren]

Ducks are pretty cool...

Sorry

Gool

[proper frost]

Idk whats so bad about it never seen it

[proper frost]

Ik a cool duck, @snow vigil

[lethal flame]

Well if you're crutching on the extra ||dash|| distance from ||sharp shadow|| in all fights, wouldn't you have problems with the fight when you approach them without the charm?

[snow vigil]

omg hi

[lethal flame]

What other charm can make u literally have to almost re-learn a fight

Other than ||qs stalwart|| lol

[proper frost]

||mop||

[snow vigil]

i would have to agree

[burnt siren]

Why would you need to approach it without?

You don't have to take it off

[shut sparrow]

I've only gotten there once so maybe I'm overestimating it but I don't really have any idea how to deal with it. Might watch a clear

[proper frost]

Or use the mod

[lethal flame]

Maybe they'll be struggling at ||p5|| someday and need the 2 xtra slots

[shut sparrow]

too much effort

[lethal flame]

At that point they're cooked

[proper frost]

So trye....

[hoary anvil]

except they're not cooked
with or without it, they're still going to need to experience improving at the game

[shut sparrow]

also I don't think the mod works for the boss. The final phase is... weird

[proper frost]

Surely you can savestate mid fight

[shut sparrow]

ya

[proper frost]

Thats DEFFINETELLy too mouch effort tho

[burnt siren]

I mean the meta build has 2 flex slots so...

[shut sparrow]

but would have to relearn that

[shut sparrow]

exactly

[proper frost]

When hkt bingy....

(Azerod wins)

[lethal flame]

My entire argument is "he's investing 2 ||notches|| into not having to learning spacing and how to ||dash||"

[hoary anvil]

meanwhile here i am investing 5 into ||making healing easier||

[lethal flame]

If we agree that he's sacrificing these 2 slots for this purpose, we pretty much agree

[hoary anvil]

yes, he is designating those 2 slots towards that purpose

[lethal flame]

Gg

[hoary anvil]

and since they're getting the desired affect out of said designation, it's working

[lethal flame]

Now, is that a good way to use ur charms... doubtful

[lethal flame]

I mean, I doubt he'll admit to it if asked "hey, are you using x charm just cuz u don't wanna learn this mechaninc of the game"

[burnt siren]

I just think you're using weird language. Yes it's "sacrificing" but making the game easier is literally THE purpose of charms

[buoyant flame]

Yeah so use ||Heavy Blow||

[burnt siren]

Like if the devs didn't want that they would just give you stat ups

[glad lava]

I agree with marp

[buoyant flame]

jk

[lethal flame]

I'd say that's the purpose of ||shaman|| and ||strength||

They just read 'the game becomes easier'

Other charms at least alter ur gameplay somewhat

[glad lava]

They all make the game easier to a greater or lesser extent depending on the person

[lethal flame]

||Shaman|| and ||str|| alter ur gameplay by making bosses die faster

[burnt siren]

Trust me, as somebody who has beaten ||p5|| with charms picked by the actual worst person to give that power to ever, it presents a unique situation each time which is fun in its own way

I highly recommend it

Choose new stuff, see how not-bad it is

[buoyant flame]

Is it bad that I can beat ||p1||

cant*

[burnt siren]

Yeah. So your response to me saying "pretty much all charms are good" is saying "these charms are good". Sounds like there isn't a contradiction.

[lethal flame]

I don't doubt using weird charms can be a fun challenge

[glad lava]

no, it takes a few tries for most people

[burnt siren]

It's pretty tough, and a big difficulty Spike. You'll get it eventually though.

[burnt siren]

Not a challenge. Just a new way to play

A challenge implies the game becomes harder

[lethal flame]

I didn't respond that to 'all charms are good'. I responded to 'all charms make the game easier'

[lethal flame]

I imagine the standard way to play for 99% of peeps is trying to make the game as ez as possible

[buoyant flame]

I beat ||nkg|| once and can't do it again. Either I was lucky, or the adrenaline helped.

[lethal flame]

So different ways to play would prob be harder

In a majority of scenarios

[burnt siren]

Anyways ||strength and shaman|| are definitely NOT the best charms at making the game easier. ||quick slash quick focus stalwart shell|| is BY FAR the easiest way to play

[solid heart]

You're right, ||womb and thorns make it harder ||

[lethal flame]

Either ||Str or shaman|| always find themselves in builds that try to make the game as ez as possible

[burnt siren]

Not tank builds

And tank builds are the easiest

They just aren't fun

[lethal flame]

You can't tank through ||p5||

[solid heart]

Yes

[buoyant flame]

Okay hollow knight it is

Lol

[solid heart]

As you can see it got blocked lol

[burnt siren]

You can and I've done it

[lethal flame]

Wut

[burnt siren]

The only bosses you can't tank are ||nkg and absrad||

[buoyant flame]

What does ||r5|| mean?

[burnt siren]

So you have to learn them

Everything else can be tanked

[solid heart]

I see you're struggling to ||P1|| right?

[buoyant flame]

Yeah

[glad lava]

||pantheon 5 hitless||

[glad lava]

which boss kills you the most

[solid heart]

Now imagine ||that but with all 42 bosses in a row||

Hitless

[lethal flame]

||P5|| is an endurance test where in the end u find the real challenge at ||absrad||, so I keep my point at 'u can't tank through ||p5||' because, imo, ||absrad|| defines ||p5||

[hoary anvil]

time to pull up that one ||thorns only* challenge||

[lethal flame]

But maybe I'm just an odd fella, who knows

[buoyant flame]

The furthest i got was the fight after the ||Godseeker||

[burnt siren]

I mean sure I just kinda look at it differently now that I'm pretty good at every boss

[lethal flame]

||p5|| would be boring as fuck without ||absrad||

[sudden lintel]

Still easier then ||colo cuz of those dang primal asphids||

[glad lava]

Id prefer if it just had the normal version tbh

[buoyant flame]

Just hit, wait for them to shoot, small hop, repeat

[sudden lintel]

Clearly you forget that in ||colo|| we have a lack of floor

And they predict the future

[buoyant flame]

They are secretly wyrms

[solid heart]

Now imagine ||P1, but it's all 42 bosses in a row, and do it hitless||

That's ||R5||

[lethal flame]

A bunch of casuls would probably revolt if by the end of the hour long struggle that is ||p5|| they just found regular ol' ||rad|| with nothing special

The ending is cool tho

[buoyant flame]

And you did that 2nd try?

[solid heart]

I took 2 hits

[solid heart]

Nah 💀

That's completely inhumane

[hoary anvil]

i mean if you look at the achievement percents, i think the casuals just don't do it.

[buoyant flame]

Oh ok, i thought you were just insane

[lethal flame]

It's at 5% iirc

Casuls def do it

[hoary anvil]

top 5% is a casual ... interesting, fair enough i guess

[lethal flame]

But that's in my worldview where achievements don't mean much if more than 1% of the playerbase can get them

[solid heart]

I mean, what's the % of people who picked up a charm again?

[lethal flame]

You could see it differently than I

[buoyant flame]

I was gonna do ||PoP|| but i saw it had a 2 second cutscene with no extra reward so i aint gonna waste my time and sanity

[solid heart]

||Journal entry||

[hoary anvil]

no idea, on mobile rn

[buoyant flame]

Really? Which one

[solid heart]

All I remember is it was incredibly low for being the first achievement you get

I think 80%

[hoary anvil]

would use that one as a way to check how many people actually tried the game vs bought it on sale and haven't tried it/didn't like it

[sudden lintel]

Prob a smart idea

[hoary anvil]

-# though i have no idea why ||steel soul|| achievements are rarer than ||p5||...

[lethal flame]

There's a lot of ppl who buy games just cuz they're on sale, to never touch them again

[manic abyss]

i dont

[sleek rapids]

I'm cooked, my next ||radiant|| boss is ||gpz||

[sudden lintel]

||I mean prob alot of console users do the invincibility glitch for that? Which they can't for steel soul||

It's really easy too...

[shut sparrow]

I think people ||complete a save file rather than start a new one on steel soul. Besides that steel soul is also not easy. You could argue 112% steel soul is harder than p5||

[hoary anvil]

didn't know about that one, but i'm looking at steam

[lethal flame]

Not everyone enjoys playing the same game twice. Especially games that don't offer anything different in different playthroughts

[sudden lintel]

Wild

[shut sparrow]

also ||dying in p5 is much less demotivating than losing a ss run||

[split fox]

Very good decision..

[hoary anvil]

having done both, i was able to succeed at ||steel heart|| at least before the other one. maybe im just insane though.

[hoary anvil]

(how does it work?)

[shut sparrow]

it's likely also highly subjective

[sudden lintel]

||go to the ledge at p4 and inventory drop then close map lil b4 u drop in juice and then u should sink then open up map again and click into a area then jump out with map still open and charge a cdash then close the map then use a dreamgate but like 4 seconds after u start the tp let go of cdash and if u use the l button it should do nothing (saving resets u so no benching or leaving godhome)||

[buoyant flame]

||Godhome|| is one of my favorite places in the game, because the best part of Hollow Knights are the bosses so ||there you can just fight them whenever you want.||

Or the story might be the best, idk yet

[sudden lintel]

Not doable in ||godseeker save|| btw

Cuz u can't ||dreamgate||

[halcyon girder]

How i send a media as spoiler ?

[glad lava]

?tag imgspoilers

[languid radish]

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[burnt siren]

People don't want to do another playthrough

Especially not in stressful mode

[sudden lintel]

But I love having a mental breakdown

[glad lava]

based

[manic abyss]

I need help trying to get to ||white defender||

[glad lava]

show inventory

[halcyon girder]

Wtf i hear the man for the map but dont see

[sudden lintel]

||dive under the lever thats after dung defender||

[glad lava]

you can’t reach him until later

[sudden lintel]

Did u install some Halloween mod? It looks super orange

[drowsy yarrow]

Mostly either invincibility glitch or the fact that it's one playthrough required I think

[halcyon girder]

Nah its my flash

[glad lava]

||dive|| under the lever thats after ||dung defender||

oop snail

[sudden lintel]

@manic abyss Bro Low-key dismissed my message cuz I'm a demon

The audacity

[manic abyss]

Mb

Also ||white defender|| ez

Only got it on my second try

[drowsy yarrow]

Difficulty isn't usually the bottleneck. Like ||banishment|| has half the completion rate as ||ritual|| even though the former is so much easier

[glad lava]

well that’s probably because ||ritual is the more obvious option, some people might not know banishment is an option||

[sudden lintel]

It helps that ||nkg|| is a fav boss for like everyone and ||grimmchild|| kinda good

[glad lava]

||imo carefree melody is better than gchild||

[sudden lintel]

I totally missed the ||4th flame|| that shows that

[sudden lintel]

But summoner build

And

It's 1 less ||notch||

[solid heart]

Yeah, it is, both are really bad but at least ||melody does something||

I'd like ||Grimothy|| to be good

[bright sorrel]

[solid heart]

||https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1340392750385729580.png?size=160||

[bright sorrel]

notice how ponder must be spoiler tagged

[solid heart]

Yes, ponder is such a spoiler

[glad lava]

It is too great a secret

[hoary anvil]

i will have to ponder on the depths of knowledge just bestowed on me for clicking that spoiler

[drowsy yarrow]

Honestly I think ||carefree melody|| is really good for ||heal/tank|| builds. Even with just ||quick focus|| I was able to sort of face-tank some bosses without engaging with their mechanics. Felt a little undeserved at the time. With ||melody|| and ||stalwart shell|| you could seriously cheese things

[hoary anvil]

🤔 i know it gets used on modded challenges, i'm not sure on vanilla challenges though as i never bothered.

[sleek rapids]

and thats all the bosses on the first row done, now for the harder bosses

[hoary anvil]

i suppose it gets more and more valuable when you can't use other options like ||quick focus|| due to mod difficulty

[glad lava]

Not really asking for help

[sleek rapids]

ok

[drowsy yarrow]

Nice. You got this.

[halcyon girder]

How do I break the ground

[sleek rapids]

||ability||

come back later

[halcyon girder]

Okk

[drowsy yarrow]

80%+ of the time I look in #hk-discussion there's an off topic conversation I don't want to interrupt. It's also not spoiler safe so a lot of discussion topics seem to get moved to here. It's fair to want to share successes in the same channel where you asked for help imo. Also helps motivate others to help or try.

[wispy canopy]

How do I hide text?

[drowsy yarrow]

?tag spoilers

[languid radish]

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[wispy canopy]

||like this?||

Ok ty

What do I do after beating the ||broken vessel and the crossroads turns infected?||

Idk how to reach the ||three masks||

For the ||black egg temple||

[drowsy yarrow]

Could you send a screenshot of your inventory?

[wispy canopy]

I’m not home rn I’ll do that when I get home

Is there a certain item I need?

[drowsy yarrow]

(also spoiler tag that if you do)

[wispy canopy]

Mk

[drowsy yarrow]

You should be able to access a couple of them at least. Just explore near where they are marked

[wispy canopy]

There’s one near ||city of tears I think||

But there’s like no way to get there

Whenever I get close it’s just closed off

[drowsy yarrow]

Did you try coming at it from below?

[wispy canopy]

…

You’re a person of wonders

😤

Yea no I didn’t try that

🤦‍♂️

I should probably

There’s also another one near ||green path||

Kinda ig

It’s like super far to the left tho

[drowsy yarrow]

For the other two I'll need to see your inventory to know for sure.

(without spoiling things for you)

[wispy canopy]

Ok Ty

I’ll @ you when I get home

[drowsy yarrow]

I may or may not still be around, but sure

[bronze kettle]

How to grind geo early game?

(I just lost 2000)

And also are there any more places that just say fuck you and you lose all your geo

[ebon copper]

im gonna be honest, geo seems really important in the early game, but it really ismt, having lost it is mostly fine unless you need geo for something specifically id not recommend grinding it

you mostly start needing geo past ||city of tears|| where you can sell ||artifacts|| to ||lemm|| anyway
[spoilers for post ||mantis slaw||]

[bronze kettle]

Yeah I unlocked selling ||artifacts|| and if it isn't important then I'll just keep going for now

[ebon copper]

id recommend going to ||lemm|| and selling ||artifacts|| of value eqialent to whatever you need to buy, and just go there and buy it, there mostly isnt a reason to just keep geo on you, at some point some items get really expensive, but at that point you will also unlock a fast money making method

hope im not overexplaining things too much

[bronze kettle]

Basically just don't gaf about geo unless you want to buy something specifically, if you want to buy a certain thing now, just go to ||Lemm to sell Artifacts|| because you probably have some from exploring the game

[ebon copper]

exactly, no need to worry about it, just focus on the combat and exploring, youll die a lot anyway so just dont take it to the heart

[young lava]

whats better for geo ||kings station rotation or collosium?||

[olive mirage]

||Colo|| iirc

[round hearth]

FQ

[fossil flower]

I would say go for || the colo u can complete easily and quickly||

[ebon copper]

||colo|| is faster, just to clarify

[devout walrus]

Isn't it harder without ||the right charms||

[terse flare]

Ive just got ||Unbreakble Greed|| and am wondering if it works in the ||colosseum of fools.|| I just need a little extra geo for some stuff

[livid shoal]

Nope

[ebon copper]

if you need to farm geo, you should have decent charms

[devout walrus]

That and ||nail upgrades||

[ebon copper]

i mean going for ||unbreakables|| before having most charms and ||nail upgrades|| doesnt sound like something ppl would normally do

[drowsy yarrow]

I'm posting this here for future reference so I can link the message next time someone asks how to do ||radiant Markoth||. The gameplay isn't amazing but I think that makes it easier to replicate.

[sleek rapids]

Well looks like I don't have to ask about that in a few days

[drowsy yarrow]

This is also ||charmless|| and can't store up ||soul|| so it should work for any build

[sleek rapids]

Never tried to properly do the second phase before though

[bright sorrel]

yes u should play a ||radiant fight as if it were all bindings||

[stoic cedar]

||im not entirely sure how useful an ab clear of markoth would be for someone who is doing a regular radiant markoth clear. not to say its not helpful at all since the spacing and stuff is still useful to see, but usually u would approach the fights a bit differently between ab and normal. like normally u could just spam spells at markoth in second phase from the soul saved from first phase and he dies very fast, but in ab u obviously cant save the soul to do that||

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah. It's mostly to show the spacing and patience. I'm sort of rewatching my recorded footage to see if any of it has much pedagogical value.

But also, oftentimes you will run out of ||soul|| during the ||2nd phase|| and will need to know how to hit him without it.

That happened to me a few times because I didn't get enough double hits.

I do recommend becoming consistent with ||nail arts|| in phase 2 as well, even if ||spell spam|| is enough if used well.

It would be nice to have a guide that has each boss in isolation.

so as not to spoil things for anybody who only asked about one boss

[keen stream]

i dont need to clear all ||colo, grimm troupe, and godhome|| for 100%?

[drowsy yarrow]

Here's my cleanest recording in an actual run of how to do ||Collector AB||. I haven't seen other people use this method, which is maybe unorthodox and tricky, but easier to practice without mods or setup saves.

[drowsy yarrow]

If you're only going for 100% then you can skip the tough parts of those

assuming you're doing this for ||steel heart|| I would skip ||colo3|| but do the first two ||pantheons||

[sleek rapids]

I heard ||cyclone slash|| works well there too

Never tried it tho

[drowsy yarrow]

It does work well. It can be worse in some cases because it takes two hits from ||cyclone slash|| to kill an add, but it does generate more ||soul||. In ||hall of gods||, ||cyclone slash|| will one-shot each add if you have the ||max nail||, so practicing there with ||cyclone slash|| isn't ideal training, and I died several times to that. If you hit an enemy at the edge of the range, it can often get away and hit you. Also ||cyclone slash|| locks you in to your current position for longer, which is the main reason I died more when using it.

[keen stream]

speed completion

is the skip here difficult?

is it harder than the ||fog canyon|| skip?

[drowsy yarrow]

In that case, definitely pick up the ||god tuner|| for the free percent, but you can skip the ||pantheons|| if you're not confident. I would also ||banish the troupe|| for ||speed completion||. I skipped ||colo3|| as well, but got all the ||charms|| and ||nail upgrades||. I think I skipped ||delicate flower|| (which also means I skipped a few ||mask shards||)

I later did everything on that file though, well within the time limit.

[drowsy yarrow]

I've never tried either

[stoic cedar]

||this is way harder than the fog canyon acid skip. its much more precise and doesnt have as consistent as a setup as the fog canyon one. for reference, i could maybe get qga like 10%-20% of the time after about an hour of practicing, and i have only hit it twice in a row before, never three times in a row or more. meanwhile i probably have around a 90% consistency or even more on fog canyon acid skip, the setup is super simple and its really lenient on the timings||

[sleek rapids]

Yeah

[drowsy yarrow]

Looks good to me

[keen stream]

how am i gon open this one?

[sleek rapids]

Have you beaten him on ||ascended||

[atomic oxide]

i'm strugling with ||p3 mostly because of gpz. i got to p3, stopped playing, reeturened for all achiements, and then made the mistake of fighttimg him. i can easy clear the rest of p3 but its literally just gpz i struggle with. any tips?||

[sleek rapids]

Yeah

[sleek rapids]

I like to take advantage of him staying still when spawning ||zotelings|| by slashing him as much as I can, and whenever I can't predict him or he's offscreen, I like to ||ddark||, when he does the flail attack, you can ||pogo|| and ||double jump|| after each ||pogo||, but after you do it twice it's good to ||ddark|| on him

Can you beat him on ||attuned|| consistently

...

Make sure you're mostly jumping over him and you ||parry|| his attacks a lot, then you should win soon

[atomic oxide]

alr ty

[sleek rapids]

Yw

[keen stream]

[drowsy yarrow]

Another reason for this is that ||bindings|| force me to use easy strategies that are friendly to newcomers, as opposed to speedrunning it with my latest muscle memory.

[keen stream]

i forgot ||kings brand|| is needed in ||qg||

[sleek rapids]

Good luck

[drowsy yarrow]

That is probably more overall suffering. Also you don't have to ||parry things||, it just happens by accident oftentimes when ||pogoing|| over his ||triple slash|| (whenever your ||nail hitbox|| makes contact with the ||enemies' nail hitbox|| while you're not in range of that hitbox, it's a parry).

[sleek rapids]

Personally I feel like it's impossible to miss your ||parries|| when you have ||MoP|| on

Unless you somehow miss the timing

[drowsy yarrow]

I can show a recording of ||Pure Vessel|| (with ||all bindings||) if that would help

[solid heart]

Leave that to Suscat

[sleek rapids]

Suscat is him

[keen stream]

im doin ||hornet2|| with this shitass nail cause i forgot to collect ||pale ore|| first

[drowsy yarrow]

I used to try to parry the ||triple slash|| every time but I realized it's faster to just clean ||pogo||

slightly more precise ironically

[sleek rapids]

I always miss the ||pogo|| so I kinda feel like I have to ||parry||

[drowsy yarrow]

My main tip for ||PV|| is don't be greedy. Two ||nail slashes|| then wait and see what he does.

[keen stream]

||hornet2|| pls

im getting clapped hard

i got rusty af

[drowsy yarrow]

You might be able to squeeze in several ||extra heals|| with ||quick focus||

yeah, and also when she ||surrounds herself in thread||

but that's tighter

[keen stream]

*he

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah, but ||double healing|| at the cost of 33% damage might be worth

[keen stream]

im panicking when 1 helth

[drowsy yarrow]

Honestly I would go with a ||survival build|| with your upgrades instead of ||dps||

I think you're underestimating ||quick focus||

[keen stream]

i used ||mop and dash master|| instead of ||spore shroom||

i cant use ||spore shroom|| since i rarely heal

[drowsy yarrow]

I don't really think the ||range charms|| are all that helpful here since what hits me most in this fight are the ||lunges||. It's pretty easy to get close enough to hit her without them.

[keen stream]

i panicked and paused in the right moment

im cooked

[young lava]

||charm set up for absolute radiance||?

[keen stream]

ima die bro, she's on her last helth as well

[keen stream]

do ||spells||

especially ||shriek||

[young lava]

so a ||spell set up||?

[keen stream]

||spell twister, soul catcher, shaman stone, and soul eater||

[stoic cedar]

I would recommend ||qs, shaman, strength, twister||

[young lava]

not ||enough notches|| 😭

[stoic cedar]

How many do u have

[young lava]

10

[stoic cedar]

….

Go get the last one rn

[drowsy yarrow]

You can get away with replacing ||twister|| with ||grubsong|| I suppose

[stoic cedar]

Which ones have u gotten already

[young lava]

not sure i gotta look on yt

ohh bruh the last one i need is ||defeat grimm dude|| i still dont got ||unbreakable greed|| ;-;

[stoic cedar]

That’s impossible , u must’ve already beaten ||troupe master grimm|| to unlock ||p3||

[young lava]

whats ||p3?||

[stoic cedar]

||pantheon 3||

[young lava]

idk what that is but i meant|| ending 3||?? idk how to explain

[stoic cedar]

Oh bruh u r fighting ||radiance|| not ||absolute radiance||

[young lava]

oh mb

[keen stream]

how much dmg does ||glowing womb|| deal?

[stoic cedar]

U don’t need to know, just know that it sucks and u shouldn’t use it

[keen stream]

how bout ||weaversong||?

[stoic cedar]

But if u really need to know its like 9 dmg

[drowsy yarrow]

9 per ||fly||, 14 with ||defender's crest||, still not worth

[keen stream]

i used this for survival setup

[stoic cedar]

I think it’s like 3 dmg per hit, usually the usage for this is with ||grubsong|| which ||makes each weaverling hit give soul||

[solid heart]

No, ||with crest it still does 9||

But 5 of it as an aoe

So it can, and pretty often does, reduce damage

Which is insanely stupid

Like, congratulations, you made the ||worst charm in the game even worse||

[drowsy yarrow]

That could work. I might use some sort of ||soul generation|| instead of ||stalwart shell|| because ||quick focus|| uses a lot but I haven't tried ||stalwart|| out so I'm not sure

[solid heart]

Yeah, it's the worst charm in the game, it actively nerfs you by ||stealing soul||

[drowsy yarrow]

Oh huh, that is bad

[solid heart]

Don't get me started in ||fluke+crest||

[keen stream]

i think ||quick focus|| doesnt affect soul consumption ngl, i can still heal 3 when full

[drowsy yarrow]

yeah but you'll be healing a lot more ^^

[solid heart]

No it doesn't, neither does ||deep focus||

You always heal for 33 soul

[drowsy yarrow]

I meant that it uses it faster than you're likely to generate it

er, you'll have more opportunities to ||heal|| than you will have ||soul|| to spend on it

[keen stream]

||quick focus|| is good for my low af helth, but idk what to use for the spare 2 ||notches||

is ||quick focus+spore shroom|| a good combo?

[drowsy yarrow]

||stalwart|| might be good, also ||soul catcher|| or ||grubsong + steady body|| but I don't know if you're used to ||steady body||

yes

[solid heart]

In these conditions it's meh

[drowsy yarrow]

no ||quick slash|| though

[solid heart]

But it helps at least

[keen stream]

not sure bout ||steady body|| since i continuously walk towards my enemy

[keen stream]

ooohh

forgot about that one

[drowsy yarrow]

I do spend a fair amount of time just running at her when ||charmless|| so I think ||steady body|| could be good, but also I don't swing at her more than once at a time so maybe not

In any case, if you're not sure, I'd use ||soul catcher||

[keen stream]

i'll try this setup, if i die i'll get ||qs||

[drowsy yarrow]

Does ||spore shroom|| get rid of ||spikes||?

Also I'm not sure if it breaks her out of her ||stagger||. If it does that could be bad.

[solid heart]

No

[keen stream]

oohhh

i think ||spore shroom|| worked really well

idk if it ticks fast af tho

[drowsy yarrow]

oh you won? Nice

1 damage per tick, so if you get the maximum of ||28 ticks||, that's about 3 ||nail swings|| worth if your ||nail was upgraded once||

2 damage per tick with ||defender's crest|| and I think the radius is bigger, but it only has ||20 ticks||

[daring moat]

I would if it wasn't 3 am :P

[keen stream]

would use that combo at some point

[solid heart]

Ah lol

Right

[bright garden]

yo guys

if i wanna 112% i gotta not banish grim troupe right

[drowsy yarrow]

You can get ||112%|| either way

[bright garden]

no cuz like

what about the

charms

[drowsy yarrow]

You get a ||charm|| either way. And I think ||banishing|| gives you a ||completion percentage||, so you don't have to fight the boss

It's impossible to lock yourself out of ||112%|| as far as I know

[bright garden]

yes but if you ||make fragile charms unbreakable and banish u loose em||

[drowsy yarrow]

ah, you don't lose it, it drops on the ground if you haven't bought it back yet

And the ||fragile charms|| are each a completion percentage. Making them ||unbreakable|| doesn't affect that.

[bright garden]

so i dont need to make them ||unbreakable at all||

is that what ur saying

[drowsy yarrow]

You don't, however you will lose the opportunity to make them ||unbreakable||

[mighty crow]

If one is in process, it will be left in the ground still ||breakable||

[bright garden]

yes but my question is if i ||banish|| and have a ||unbreakable charm|| will i loose the charm

[drowsy yarrow]

no

[mighty crow]

No you will keep it ||unbreakable||

[keen stream]

where do i get ||shade soul||?

aint that the ||black dash||?

[drowsy yarrow]

You need to get the ||elegant key|| from ||sly|| after getting his ||shopkeeper's key|| in ||crystal peak||. Then you can use it just left of the entrance to ||soul sanctum||

Unrelated, but I have to upload this before I have to leave my computer. For future reference, my example for how to do ||Zote AB||: (Although now I also recommend using ||shade soul|| on the ||volatile zotelings|| to make space)

[mighty crow]

Sorry, I was wrong. That’s on me, sorry

[keen stream]

||grandpa grub|| being rich

twas 2665 geo

[stoic cedar]

||hmmm i never use shade soul like ever against ab zote. for the volatile zotelings i usually just hit them to make space and then save my soul for a ddark if needed||

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah, that's what I did in the video. Although I've found that making a very large space with ||shade soul|| in the opposite direction of ||Zote|| is more consistent for me

[mighty crow]

He was holding back in the beginning

[drowsy yarrow]

The main reason being sometimes there's not enough room to make space by hitting them. Then I have to ||ddark|| when it might be a bad time to.

Plus I'm already super consistent so long as I have space, so gaining it is better than iframes.

(if I ||ddark|| in a bad spot, then things might be exploding on one side while ||Zote|| is on the other side when the iframes wear off)

I guess the bigger reason is that you're basically clearing out all the ||volatile Zotelings|| that could be a problem while ||Zote|| is still in his animation. Whereas saving it for ||ddark|| means you're dealing with both at the same time in order to have a safety net. I'd rather have the former, but that's just my preference.

[stoic cedar]

||well i usually dont face any issues ddarking through the volatile zotelings, its usually when theres still other types of zotelings bouncing around nearby while volatile zotelings are spawned where i really have the most trouble||

[keen stream]

les goo

7hrs in and i think im at 50% progress stmh

[drowsy yarrow]

I do feel like I need a lot of horizontal space in order to deal with his ||flail||. I don't have enough reaction time to jump straight up consistently, so I usually ||dash|| away from him first, then jump. But that can get me into trouble with the ||volatiles|| if I only hit them once or twice. I also don't have the reaction time to ||ddark|| in response to the ||flail||, so ||shade soul|| preemptively was my solution. Both methods work well I think though.

[supple fulcrum]

||anyone help wth all bindings oblobbles pls||

[keen stream]

demn

[keen stream]

suffer less

them projectiles are random so just dodge ig

[stoic cedar]

||narts and shade soul are ur friend against ab oblobbles. try to get them clumped up and then keep knocking them back with narts and shade soul||

[supple fulcrum]

damn who wouldve thunk

lmao

[keen stream]

stay away when they're shooting orange juice as well

[supple fulcrum]

what nart do i use

[keen stream]

||gs||?

[supple fulcrum]

also is there a way to get them in the same cycle? cuz they shoot unsynched its so annoying

[keen stream]

hit em at the same time

[stoic cedar]

||all of them, depends on the situation. if they are lower to the ground cyclone slash is best, if they are higher up u might want to use great slash instead. and if u r spaced correctly dash slash is a good option too. for second phase u want to be primarily using dash slash tho||

[supple fulcrum]

alr ill try that thx

[pearl wind]

Does anybody have any tips for hollow knight mobile?

Just before I get into it

[neat karma]

The tip is dont download it because thats supporting an illegal port of the game

[supple fulcrum]

i think you can connect a controller to it. if you have one you should i bet it makes the game 10x easier and more enjoyable.

[median scarab]

||p5 collector is taking my lunch money any advice?||

[supple fulcrum]

can i see ur build

[drowsy yarrow]

I think you're able to one-shot the ||adds|| right?

[supple fulcrum]

||u need strength||

[drowsy yarrow]

If not then yes you need ||strength||

well, ||strength|| is good everywhere anyways

[median scarab]

wait wait wait do I get a percent for ||pantheon 5?||

[supple fulcrum]

^

[median scarab]

cause im at 108

[supple fulcrum]

no

[median scarab]

oh wait i can get 112 early

[supple fulcrum]

but if you wanna be baller you should get the 112 ending wth ||p5|| hehe

[median scarab]

yeah thats the plan

but i heard ||delicate flower gives a new ending||

[supple fulcrum]

yeah

[median scarab]

and i need that for a ||mask shard||

[supple fulcrum]

its not an achievement tho

its a different cinematic

[median scarab]

I care about that

[supple fulcrum]

das cool

[median scarab]

ok so if i get strength

ill 1 shot ads?

[supple fulcrum]

maybe ill do it if i ever do ||p5ab||

but that ||quest|| is so annyoing to do tbh

[supple fulcrum]

yeah

[median scarab]

but you need that quest for 112 right?

[drowsy yarrow]

I think a fully upgraded ||nail|| should also one-shot, but I'm not positive

[stoic cedar]

||pure nail by itself does not one shot adds from ascended collector. u need strength for that||

[supple fulcrum]

||completing the flower quest doesnt give the other ending. it's giving the flower to the seeker that gives a new ending||

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah, but in ||p5|| it should, I think it's the same as ||attuned||

[median scarab]

it didnt

[stoic cedar]

||the adds in p5 collector are the same hp as ascended collector||

[median scarab]

oh woops

[drowsy yarrow]

ohhh right ofc

Nice job

[median scarab]

wait so i can get all masks without locking myself out of the ||embrace the void?||

[supple fulcrum]

fuck ||oblobbles man||

[supple fulcrum]

I dont think flower locks you out of that either tho?

[drowsy yarrow]

yep, same for ||hornet 2 radiant|| imo

[supple fulcrum]

oh it does nvm

[keen stream]

do i need to kill allat ||dreamers|| for 100%?

[supple fulcrum]

it gives you the achievement though

you just don't see the two cinematics

[median scarab]

yeah i wanna see both by unlocking both

[stoic cedar]

technically no, but ||each dreamer gives a percentage and the bosses that guard lurien and monomon also give a percentage so u might as well||

[lethal flame]

100% isn't max percentage btw