hk-help

[buoyant flame]

Is the ||Grub|| far right of ||The Hive|| in ||Kingsom's Edge||?

[neat karma]

Yes i believe if its the one i think youre talking about

[lost terrace]

HOLY ORGAN

this organ is so good

hk music peak

[thick wing]

Why the German of Germany will be in England, similarly

[buoyant flame]

Huh

[lost terrace]

im now at this ||soul sanctu whatever place|| still havent found my most beloved ||bench||

[thick wing]

Keep exploring in ||soul sanctum|| I say devil laughter noises

[lost terrace]

oh nor

[buoyant flame]

What do you mean?

[lost terrace]

where is my ||benchhhh|| AHHH

[slate skiff]

final cutsene so satisfying

under 5 hours

speedrun

[thick wing]

I mean, you asked about if the ||grub|| in ||Hive|| is in ||Kingdoms edge||, so I said in that way. Idk if ur question was different

[lost terrace]

this music is giving undertale yellow vibes ngl

[thick wing]

Few seconds later you will hear ||boss music||

[lost terrace]

FUCK I DIED

[lost terrace]

.... guess what happened

[buoyant flame]

I meant is the ||Grub|| that is positioned far right of ||The Hive||, is it perhaps located in ||Kingdom's Edge||?

[lost terrace]

oh wait i DO have bench i forgot

[buoyant flame]

Is that any better or the same?

[lost terrace]

lol

[thick wing]

||Hive|| is technically a part of ||Kingdoms edge|| I suppose, so yeah

[lost terrace]

oop

idk where my ||shade|| is now i have bad memory lol

[tawny sapphire]

Wtf it has a timer now that’s fire

[thick wing]

||Soul Sanctum|| is not big enough for two of us

[lost terrace]

cant even find map guy so idk where that is now too

[thick wing]

Yeah, just realized that

[lost terrace]

lol

[thick wing]

||Map guy|| is near your ||bench|| bro or, wait a min....

[lost terrace]

WTF

AHHH

is it near ||nail place too?||

[thick wing]

YOU FUCKING MISSED THE ||BENCH|| 1 M AWAYYYY

[lost terrace]

THE CUTE ONE?

[thick wing]

Nah, a different one. From the left there is a ||stag station||

[lost terrace]

WDYM

OOP

*stops yelling

[thick wing]

I think that's enough discording for today, see ya guys later. Peace out✌️

[lost terrace]

oh baii

[buoyant flame]

I am at the ||Grub in the bottom left of Kingdom's Edge|| but how do I get out?

[sly lance]

What's this room for (seriously)

[manic abyss]

That’s smth I never figured out

[sly lance]

I didn't find mentions of it on google

Though maybe I didn't look hard enough

[hoary anvil]

||you get extra dialogue from bardoon at the top of the room if you hit the thing||

[sly lance]

That's if?

It

[hoary anvil]

yeah. flavor.

[manic abyss]

||how do you get to the top of the room?||

[sly lance]

Just progress up there's an npc

[manic abyss]

I’ve been in that area a million times and never found it

[hoary anvil]

you might be lacking an ability (located in ||ancient basin||) that's needed to reach the top

[manic abyss]

All im missing from key items is ||one mask shard||

[lavish torrent]

do you think a mod would ge angy if i pinged them

[manic abyss]

They normally don’t respond

But knock yourself out

[lavish torrent]

<@&283547423706447872>

[sly nexus]

?? what's the ping for

[undone copper]

what

[lavish torrent]

WAIT HOW DID THA WORK

[mint quiver]

[lavish torrent]

ok i has question

[undone copper]

did you just ping us to see if you can

[lavish torrent]

can you guys remove my new knights so that i can stream

[undone copper]

ma’am these are untagged spoilers

[sly nexus]

no wait the 24 hours

[lavish torrent]

oh i thought it was a week

someone told me it was a wek

[sly nexus]

no

[lavish torrent]

dang, well ig im just gullible

thanks for tellin me though

how did i get this many mods on so quickly lol

[manic abyss]

You @ them and they respond quickly

[lavish torrent]

ohhhhhhhh

i got discord yesreday

[manic abyss]

You like it?

[lavish torrent]

yup

super cool

[manic abyss]

It’s amazing

[lavish torrent]

i want t stream for people but i hate having new knight

[royal rapids]

You will be free of your chains soon

[lavish torrent]

just like ||the hollow knight|| at the end

[thick wing]

you guys know if there are any benches nearby

[sharp veldt]

||Yeah the one u pay for where u came from (on the right)||

[fallen tundra]

Where do i find ||gruzzers|| after ||infected crossroads||?

[limpid shuttle]

||Check brooding mawlek area||

[fallen tundra]

What about ||wandering/leaping/bully husk?||

Im afraid I wont be able to find them anymore

[crisp shuttle]

||Where is the overgrown mound lol||

[limpid shuttle]

||Wandering and bully in greenpath I believe, leaping has one specific spawn in the bottom layer of the crossroads to the right of gruz mother. Best to do leaping before infection if still possible||

[fallen tundra]

||yeah im trying to get the True hunter achievement||

[limpid shuttle]

You access it through ||fog canyon||

[open wyvern]

how i unlock this?

[limpid shuttle]

Where is that?

You don't

[crisp shuttle]

oh boy

[jade sedge]

How did you access it?

[limpid shuttle]

||Unlock all stag stations. There's a dialogue that you get from the last stag hinting towards it||

[thick wing]

LFG!!

[jade sedge]

I know well what it is. I am asking them how did they reach it

Wrong reply

[limpid shuttle]

||wandering and bully are also right above the tramway in ancient basin. maybe leaping there too||

[open wyvern]

so, how i complete the hope achievement?

[fallen tundra]

Is ||logging out, then rejoining, use dream nail to tp to the enemy i wanna kill, kill the enemy, then log out again, and do it again 11 times|| an option?

cuz i think there is only ||1 single leaping husk|| in the whole game i can kill

[jade sedge]

||Get all other stations||

[limpid shuttle]

||Did you travel there through the stag station?||

If you just platformed up it won't give it

[limpid shuttle]

Pretty sure that'll work. Worth a try

[open wyvern]

yes

but dont get

[fallen tundra]

Working.

Just long process

[limpid shuttle]

Yeah, it's one of those things that you do beforehand, but you don't know if you've never done it

[wanton spire]

If u travelled || through stag || then the ||stag|| should be there

[open wyvern]

im here

but dont get the achievement

[limpid shuttle]

Have you gotten other achievements? Make sure to spoiler stuff too

[open wyvern]

yes

[limpid shuttle]

Can you send a sc of your ||stag station list||? Make sure you mark it as a spoiler

[open wyvern]

i have 11 stration

station

[wanton spire]

Can I beat ||hollow knight || as many times as I want without the || void heart||

I like the music buildup before it happens

[limpid shuttle]

Yeah, even with it you can keep doing it

It always spawns you back in the ||black egg|| when you reload the file

[wanton spire]

I beat him for the first time today

Ended the game

[open wyvern]

have 11 right?

[limpid shuttle]

Yeah, did you unlock the ||dirtmouth stag|| door?

[open wyvern]

ye

[limpid shuttle]

On steam?

[open wyvern]

yes

[limpid shuttle]

Try verifying your files

[open wyvern]

i go restart the game

[wanton spire]

How do I get the pieces of ||king soul||

[acoustic sigil]

||Mods can interfer, but also be sure to have interacted with the egg in the station ||

[limpid shuttle]

Does that trigger it? I thought it was just arriving there

[crisp shuttle]

||alright one last thing gang: now that i have all spells, any tips for hornet sentinel? she beat my ass supremely earlier lol||

[limpid shuttle]

||Pale lady and king's palace||

[wanton spire]

Damage tank and ||nail rush||

[limpid shuttle]

||It's basically the same fight but faster and she summons the spikes. you can use shade soul to wipe them out when she spawns them||

[wanton spire]

I used the ||charm which increases the amount of invulnerability after getting hit in the fight||

It worked great for me

[open wyvern]

ohhh void

and go here

now i get :)

[merry chasm]

||I have 160/160 journal entries + took the hunters mark but still didn't get keen hunter achievement help||

[woven crypt]

These are the ||charms|| I have for fighting the ||Radiance||. Any advice?

[wanton spire]

Get ||unbreakable strength||

[woven crypt]

I don't want to spend whoever knows how long grinding that

[wanton spire]

It will help a lot

[limpid shuttle]

How much geo you got?

[woven crypt]

2k

[wanton spire]

Grind in the ||kingdoms edge||

[woven crypt]

And I've already went through pretty much all the sellables lmao

[wanton spire]

Where the || mosquitoes ||spawn

With ||greed||

[limpid shuttle]

||Did you beat the shit outta millibelle yet?||

[wanton spire]

They give 23 each with ||greed||

[wanton spire]

They give like 250 in 2-3 minutes

[woven crypt]

I don't remember who that is

But I'm pretty sure I have done everything beside ||Godhome||

[limpid shuttle]

||Banker in fog canyon||

[wanton spire]

Grind in the ||kingdoms edge||

[woven crypt]

I've seen that, it'd take a horrible amount of time to do that

[fallen tundra]

||getting the mark sucks||

[merry chasm]

||Kings station||

[wanton spire]

For that even they should deposit the max account

[wanton spire]

Yes from there to ||kingdoms edge||

[merry chasm]

half my message was deleted

[limpid shuttle]

It's like 10 minutes and it doubles your geo. Make sure you give 4500

[merry chasm]

is better if you are confident fighting the big guys

[wanton spire]

I think ||strength|| is a must have for any major boss fight

[merry chasm]

I don't remember exactly how much geo you get but you can easily get 2000 in like less than 10 minutes if you're decently fast

[limpid shuttle]

Other than that ||colosseum 2 gives 2k every time you beat it. It's pretty fast||

[woven crypt]

Oh I was talking to the other guy, I think I have deposited that, but don't you need like 100k for the ||unbreakables||?

[wanton spire]

Same with the ||kingdoms edge||

[fallen tundra]

||how many required for true hunter achievement?||

[wanton spire]

U only need ||strength|| which is 15k

[merry chasm]

||I got 160/160 completed but still didn't get it||

[fallen tundra]

Cuz ||if you want keen hunter you need 164||

[limpid shuttle]

Nahhhh, for ||unbreakable strength it's 15k||

[woven crypt]

I've gotten to the point of dying to ||the Hollow Knight|| again cause I just want to do that fight ASAP

[limpid shuttle]

It'll take less than an hour and it's used on pretty much every boss

I never take it off

[merry chasm]

||I got most optionals except for the godhome ones and grimmkin nightmares,are they necessary?||

[wanton spire]

Same it’s a must have

Prolly one of the best charms

[fallen tundra]

Just discovered that the ||dream nail doesn't work in lifts||

[merry chasm]

No need to rush,just grind and keep doing other stuff until you have a near maxed out build,I personally got like 107% before i fought them and it took me like 50 hours or something,so unless you are dying tomorrow there's no reason to rush

[woven crypt]

That's the thing, I've done literally everything in the game besides this and ||Godhome||

[limpid shuttle]

If you plan on doing ||godhome||, you'll want it

Actually, it doesn't break

nvrm

[merry chasm]

then just get ||unbreakable strength|| and you're set

also optionally switch ||long nail|| for ||spell twister|| or ||sharp shadow||

[woven crypt]

I like that one a lot so I'm not going to do that

[merry chasm]

cuz if you spawn 4 ||shrieks|| immediately at the beginning of the fight you skip a whole phase

and then just keep blasting more and you'll fly through 2nd and 3rd phase

your build is solid, ||strength|| is the only pretty much essential thing ur missing and the rest is mostly optional

[woven crypt]

I said it before I find ||spells|| really awkward to use and I kinda need the soul for healing

[merry chasm]

if you really don't want to grind, just add any decent ||3 notch charm|| or any ones you like really and just go on and attempt

[woven crypt]

The ||mosquitoes|| are giving like 20 or 30 tops

[crisp shuttle]

okay new question

||How to fight hornet 2 when the wind during the fight turns the game into a fuckin slideshow||

[sudden lintel]

That doesn't happen tho?

Iirc

[sinful thistle]

|| tips on dealing with absrad orbs on the platform phase? There's barely any surface ||

[woven crypt]

There's no way I'm getting to 15k in this place

[stoic cedar]

||u want to try to bait the orbs to crash into the platforms as soon as possible so that they don’t loop around and cause more complications. Imo this is most easily done on the bottom middle platform since there r a lot of platforms around there where u can lure the orbs to crash into. If u r at the top platform when the orb attack starts I would suggest immediately dropping all the way down to that bottom middle platform to start luring the orbs to crash into platforms||

[crisp shuttle]

seriously guys all my settings are at minimum hel me

[jade sedge]

What exactly are you asking?

[stoic cedar]

try install the RemoveLaggyObjects mod, this will remove many of the more laggy objects in the game such as the ||wind in hornet 2's fight||

[crisp shuttle]

TSMMMMM

[woven crypt]

Well if someone knows a place I can actually get 5k geo relatively quick that'd be great

[stoic cedar]

depends on how far into the game u r. can u show a screenshot of map?

[woven crypt]

The only thing I have left is fighting the ||Radiance and Godhome||

Also I am pretty sure I have sold all the items I could

[acoustic sigil]

||Colo trial 2||

[woven crypt]

That's super hard to do for grinding though

Screw it, guess I'm not getting ||unbreakable strength|| then

[stoic cedar]

||colo2 isnt that bad if u have late game upgrades and stuff. but if u dont want to do colo then u can always do hopper farming||

[acoustic sigil]

The 2nd isn't too bad if you already have the skills for the 3rd

[woven crypt]

Yeah but I'm bad at the game, so it is kind of a big ask

[viscid heart]

its fair, you can farm ||hoppers in kingdom's edge or infected crossroad|| as an alternative

[woven crypt]

I think that might have gotten patched out cause those enemies give like 60 at most

[stoic cedar]

||u dont farm the great hoppers, u farm all the small hoppers||

[jade sedge]

||No it still works. Go to the bottom of the tall room in kingdoms edge, enter the room on right, kill the small hoppers near the entrance, exit the room and repeat||

[acoustic sigil]

||https://youtu.be/Q2EihyH1Jjg||

Although I seem to recall there being a more efficient routing of this room

[woven crypt]

Yeah, I know, still gives 60 a pop

[ivory kindle]

How do I easly get ||1800 essence. I have 1200 bcs I've beaten warrior dreamerS||

[ivory kindle]

Did you try use || gathering swarm|| I gets all geo you miss

[acoustic sigil]

||Revisit some bosses you have fought before||

[woven crypt]

Yes, I had it on

[ivory kindle]

Eh I don't like ||dream bosses 😭😭 faild champion to hard||

Maby || white defender||

[acoustic sigil]

That's the hardest one imo

You don't need it for 1800 per se

[ivory kindle]

Ye but like don't forget HIM

[sand canopy]

||am I supposed to be looking here for something? will something show up later? will after some time something show up?||

[acoustic sigil]

No there is nothing

[sleek plover]

||it's more so there to highlight the lore of the person you are there for, lurien the watcher||

[sand canopy]

||hah. the watcher has a telescope good one||

[sleek plover]

||there's a hidden lore tablet beneath him if you look around a bit||

[sand canopy]

||Im not that into lore to look for it myself but thank you I will probably watch some youtube videos about it after my playthrough||

[woven crypt]

How much harder is phase 2 of the ||Radiance||? I haven't even gotten to it and I'm dreading it

[sleek plover]

in ||base game||?

[woven crypt]

Ye

Not ||Godhome|| lmao

[sleek plover]

||it's difficult, but not insurmountable, think of each phase as a separate boss fight||

[woven crypt]

I mean if you take the break I took into account I've spent months on just the first phase

[sleek plover]

||i can give some pointers if you'd like, each phase is different in its own way, you might find latter portions of the fight easier than the first||

[woven crypt]

Sure, first phase is already kicking my ass so I'm all ears

[sleek plover]

||you can d dark the spikes on the floor to make them disappear||

[woven crypt]

But it only makes them go away for like half a second then they're right back

[sleek plover]

||that's fair, all the tips i or anyone else will give is not gonna be a cheese or anything, it's still gonna be hard||

[sleek plover]

||when she transitions from phase one to two, she's gonna rain down swords from above, you can stand below and spam shriek to get a headstart in the platform phase||

[woven crypt]

The thing is I find ||spells|| kind of really awkward to do, which is why I've gone through most of the game just not touching them

[sleek plover]

||once phase two, the platform phase starts, she's always gonna spawn one the middle bottom platform, ready yourself there for a few more shrieks||

[sleek plover]

||radiance is probably the fight that you have to utilize spells the most while at the same time knowing when to do so, there's very few openings in the fight||

so don't get discouraged if it feels like you can't get any damage in

[woven crypt]

That's kind of the thing, ||spells|| leave you so open that I always eat a hit after using one. I'd rather just nail it to death

[sleek plover]

||shriek is high damage and locks you in place, which in most situations is bad, but in order to dodge radiance's swords you often want to get locked in place||

[woven crypt]

But it gives you no invul, I've tried using that and that's what happens, I eat a hit right after

[rocky dragon]

||Radiance requires a lot of maneuvering with short opportunities for high damage which makes spells the best choice for the fight.
I also prefer melee, but spells are objectively better for radiance||

[sleek plover]

||the fight does feel kinda unfair more than any other boss in the game, i hate to say it but it comes down to learning the fight||

[woven crypt]

I'm gonna keep trying just melee

[sleek plover]

also i don't think it will ever feel easy, you just get better at it

[woven crypt]

Cause I don't like ||spells|| at all

[sleek plover]

||spells are a huge part of the combat, sure you can nail everything, but radiance is the last fight that almost forces you to utilize your whole kit||

[rocky sequoia]

I got stuck here

[sleek plover]

||what's the problem?||

[rocky sequoia]

this key won't go down when I hit it

[sleek plover]

hit the elevator

[rocky sequoia]

omg I didn't see it

thanks

[sleek plover]

[sleek plover]

||i went through a phase of thinking radiance was bullshit, and i still kinda do, but it really does come down to practice instead of learning the fight as opposed to most other hard fights in the game||

[sleek plover]

||i've got another tip for the final phase if you've gotten there||

[woven crypt]

lmao I haven't even seen the second phase

[sleek plover]

||for the platform phase, do not chase, ever, prioritize staying safe and doing damage only when you can||

[woven crypt]

Hm hm

[sleek plover]

||shriek is great damage there, will outdamage nail when you can only get close for so long||

[woven crypt]

If I ever get to the second phase I'll keep it in mind

[naive oriole]

I shirked ||spells|| during my first playthrough since I wasn't very good at using them. That being said, sneaking in an ||abyssal shriek|| does not require a lot of skill and does good damage because ||Radiance|| doesn't knock back. That aside, my advice is to pay attention to the time in between ||Radiance's|| attacks. There's a longer window than you might expect, and that's when you want to be dealing damage. At other moments, your intention should be to dodge.

[woven crypt]

I use that time to heal cause I get hit a lot

[sleek plover]

||first phase doesn't have as much hp as you might think, try a run where you take hits if they're absolutely free, otherwise prioritize your own hp||

[sleek plover]

||i often ruin my own attempts by trying to squeeze in hits here and there and that doesn't work in this fight||

[woven crypt]

Okay what do you think first phase is?

Or more like, where it ends?

[naive oriole]

Healing is less practical against ||Radiance|| -- even if you're getting hit a lot -- because she does 2 damage for each hit, so you need to spend twice as long and take twice as much soul to get back your masks. You're likely to survive longer if you focus intently on damage and heal during specific moments where you can't attack much anyway.

[woven crypt]

Cause to me it seems tanky enough

[sleek plover]

||there's a little "cutscene" where radiance gets knocked down||

[woven crypt]

I have never, ever gotten to that point

I die before that

If I don't heal I'd last even less

[sleek plover]

||that's why i recommend spells, it's only a few shaman shrieks for the next phase||

[naive oriole]

That's the intuition, but it's actually less likely to be true. Think about it this way: if you instead focus on dealing damage instead of healing, you're denting the boss's HP, and thus giving them less time to deal more damage to you.

[sleek plover]

||right, healing on radiance is only allowed in specific instances||

[rocky dragon]

||If you deal more damage the fight is quicker and you lose less health simply because the fight is shorter||

[solid heart]

||The Radiance has 3 phases, the first one with 3 subphaces before she gets knocked down
Each one has 350/400/250 respectively for a total of 800 hp, while abyss shriek does 80 (120 with shaman), that's 10 regular or 7 with shaman. In comparison that's 25 strength nail hits||

[bright sorrel]

such as during every attack

[solid heart]

You can actually ||heal so much during this fight, it's crazy compared to basically all other fights||

[solid heart]

You stole the words out of my ... Is typing

[bright sorrel]

[solid heart]

Just do it hitless smh

[sleek plover]

||you're saying you can heal during every attack in radiance fight?||

[bright sorrel]

multiple times too

[woven crypt]

Yeah healing room is surprisingly lenient, which should tell you how much I get hit

[bright sorrel]

WITHOUT ||charms|| 😛

[woven crypt]

How many regular hits would it be then to kill phase 1?

[solid heart]

Yeah you can ||heal even twice or thrice between some attacks||

[sleek plover]

||we're also talking about someone doing the fight the first time||

[bright sorrel]

it applies to everyone

[sleek plover]

xd

sure

[solid heart]

@woven crypt

[sleek plover]

"just dodge everything and kill the boss" kind of attitude

[bright sorrel]

no not at all

[woven crypt]

I mean without ||unbreakable strength|| since I don't have it and it'd take too long to grind

[bright sorrel]

if you deliberately misinterpret it then yes

[solid heart]

Not really, ||healing windows are all about seeing when the boss is slow, all you need to pay attention is time here||

[solid heart]

Ah right lol, that's ||38 hits||

[sleek plover]

||we're talking about someone who can't get a hit in without dying though||

[woven crypt]

I could swear I've hit it that much, but I guess not

[solid heart]

He said he uses all the ||attack downtime in healing||

Which is the point we're making

[woven crypt]

Yeah full disclaimer I just find ||spells|| too risky so I'm most likely not gonna use them

[bright sorrel]

[solid heart]

This is not like ||Nkg where finding the window between the bats is hard to see||

[woven crypt]

I did beat ||NKG||

This feels harder

[naive oriole]

This is fair, but it is worth noting that if you're using your nail a lot, ||Unbreakable Strength|| is by far and away the best charm in the entire game.

[solid heart]

Yeah, by far

||You see how it decreased 13 nail hits off the hp||

[naive oriole]

If you're really struggling, it may actually be less time to grind out the geo.

[woven crypt]

Right but I'm like 5k geo short and the grinding places seem to have been patched out? Or at least that's what I've gathered

[sleek plover]

||and i was making the point that it's better to learn the fight rather than learning "healing windows" or anything like that, you'll know when you can heal once you know when it is safe to do so||

[bright sorrel]

that dichotomy doesnt exist

u can learn both when to heal and attack

[solid heart]

||healing windows will just naturally appear by playing||

[bright sorrel]

[sleek plover]

yes that's my point

i'm not disagreeing with either of you

[bright sorrel]

or are u

[solid heart]

Why are we discussing then?

[sleek plover]

idk i was trying to help this person

?

[bright sorrel]

because he did disagree

nevertheless i have GD to play

[solid heart]

I have Ponder to pet

[sleek plover]

i mean if you're better at the fight, which you probably are, help the person asking for help instead of arguing with the one trying to give advice xd

[solid heart]

||hoppers and Colo 2 are the best places to grind geo||

[naive oriole]

The best grinding place in terms of geo accrual rate I think is the ||hopper|| strip on the way to ||Oro|| in ||Kingdom's Edge||. ||Hoppers|| drop like 30 geo apiece, and there's around 7 right near a room transition, so you can just pop in and out and get a lot of geo quickly that way.

A more fun thing you can do is to just do a few ||Colo 2|| fights.

[woven crypt]

I've tried the first thing, but it feels like the time it'd get to 5k doing that would be hours on hours

[naive oriole]

Also -- ||Colo 2|| is a good place to practice ||spells||. ||Spells|| are really really good in that arena, and you're not at huge risk of dying if you have endgame gear.

[woven crypt]

Guess I could try the other thing

[naive oriole]

It only feels that way because it's boring af.

[solid heart]

Yeah lol

But you get 210 geo per cycle without ||greed|| which is a lot

[uncut patrol]

|| guys i just got this charm and i want to make the true ending what is the next step ||

[naive oriole]

||Go to the abyss while wearing it||

[uncut patrol]

ok im going

[zealous sentinel]

Why and how-

[sleek plover]

||white palace?||

[zealous sentinel]

Yeah but I've already done everything there, I wanted to get to ||path of pain|| but idk how

Since it's the only thing I didn't do yet

[sleek plover]

||white palace locks down some paths once you've done it, but you can still get to path of pain||

[zealous sentinel]

How can I get there though ?

[sleek plover]

||get to the central bench, take elevator up||

[sleek plover]

||once you've taken the elevator up and the take first transition to another room, hit the wall to the left||

[zealous sentinel]

||It just took me to the smaller parkour area where I've already been and I think it only leads to the throne||

[uncut patrol]

i got the || voidheart || what should i do now

[zealous sentinel]

I got it tysmm

[sleek plover]

||that unlocks the final ending, make sure to explore everywhere else||

[uncut patrol]

|| guess i did everything ||

[sleek plover]

good luck there

[uncut patrol]

|| but how do i get to the true ending ||

[sleek plover]

||now that you have the void heart, the final boss will have a different outcome||

[uncut patrol]

|| ooh ok thanks man ||

[sleek plover]

||how's the run going?||

[zealous sentinel]

I rage quit thanks for asking

[sleek plover]

||xd fair enough, there's a hidden totem for heals in the beginning for next time||

[zealous sentinel]

I know I know :c

[vale elk]

||trial of fool count towards 112%||

[naive oriole]

ye

[uncut patrol]

guys

[solid heart]

What

[uncut patrol]

sorry for late answer || when i do the true ending, can i play that save again?||

[naive oriole]

Yes

[uncut patrol]

thanks

[solid heart]

||You can't do anything to not be able play in the same file again, you can get any ending as many times as you want||

[uncut patrol]

oh thats nice

[naive oriole]

It's Zelda-like in nature: when you complete an ending, it drops you off at your last save point, before you won.

[uncut patrol]

wow

[hollow scaffold]

||after i get an ending will i able to go back into my save just before i got it and continue||

[naive oriole]

See my last post.

[naive oriole]

^

[hollow scaffold]

oh wow that’s convenient

[vale elk]

least favorite part about that games ending it feels so incomplete

[solid heart]

Why? ||It's dumb when a game just deletes your file for winning||

So you can continue playing, do more quests, maybe ||win again||

[vale elk]

not ||deleting your file, but at least changing the world a bit, ie removing the infestation from the crossroads/removing the purple stuff all over the map in botw||

[naive oriole]

The reasonable alternative would be to have a post-game world, but Hollow Knight's setting doesn't work very well with that.

[vale elk]

i t just doesnt feel right when nothing changes imo

[livid shoal]

[naive oriole]

I mean, considering what happens ||to The Knight in any of the possible endings, any postgame world would either need to be a complete overhaul or be noncanon/inconsistent in some way||.

[blissful hawk]

||is it possible to get soft locked in the crystal mines? i got here without having double jump yet and now can't seem to find the exit, nor do i think i can get the crystal dash||

[naive oriole]

There are a couple of ways out.

[vale elk]

||you dont need double jump to get crystal dash||

[blissful hawk]

oh i see

i must have forgot where it is then

[vale elk]

you should be able to get it if you didnt cheese your way into there

[blissful hawk]

na i have the ||soul catcher slam||

[naive oriole]

Which means you have ||Mantis Claw|| and ||Mothwing Cloak||.

Both of those are enough to traverse a majority of the ||Crystal Peaks||, including the ||Crystal Dash|| area.

[blissful hawk]

i think i know where it is then

thank ye

[rocky sequoia]

I came here ||to get the pale ore|| but I don't have ways to climb back. I only have ||the mantis claw and the mothwing cloak|| can't pass through those spines

[zinc zodiac]

you can get through with just ||claw||

go up the right side

[rocky sequoia]

but there are spines there. do I need to nail pog

when I try to climb I get trapped inside the spikes

[hoary anvil]

nah, you can just ||claw|| up. the spacing is a little tight though

[zinc zodiac]

ig you could save quit and go back into the game

[hoary anvil]

pogo might help, idk

[hoary anvil]

-# this is assuming they didn't sit at a bench down there

[zinc zodiac]

-# correct T^T

[rocky sequoia]

I sit on a bench

[zinc zodiac]

hm

[rocky sequoia]

will I get the geo if I quit

[hoary anvil]

-# fun fact: it's possible to softlock yourself there by going there without ||claw|| using speedrun skips

[livid raft]

Ye

[zinc zodiac]

'-_-

[hoary anvil]

quit to menu will keep all of your stuff, and just bring you to the last bench you sat at

[hoary anvil]

(it's impossible to do this accidentally - you need to do a really difficult ~itemless ||shade skip|| to ||blue lake||)

[zinc zodiac]

who has the time to try that

[broken lagoon]

man i lost my ||steel soul|| cus i thought the ||shade in abyss|| did one damage not 2

;-;

[zinc zodiac]

sry dude

[broken lagoon]

aight bro

[hoary anvil]

-# i don't think editing it will save it unfortunately

[rocky sequoia]

I managed to climb but with only 2 masks left

[zinc zodiac]

it did not

[broken lagoon]

yep

lmao

[zinc zodiac]

XD

huh

[vale elk]

||how do i pogo my shriek? ive seen ppl do if idk if its pc specific or what||

[zinc zodiac]

very tight timing

[vale elk]

so like frame 1

[zinc zodiac]

smth like that

[night sinew]

||best build for trial of the fool? I’m getting owned in the no floor and no platforms part mostly||

[zinc zodiac]

uh

nvm i remembered i havent beaten it either

[fossil flower]

for the ||no floor bit just use great slash to kill squits||

[night sinew]

||would you say nailmasters glory is good for it||

[vale elk]

||the nailmasters glory, grubsong, longnail, fragile strength, shaman stone ||

[vale elk]

||also dream weilder and just slash your dream nail and reset ur health whenever you can ||

[night sinew]

I will try this thank you

[fossil flower]

very

[vale elk]

do enemies respawn when you ||take stag stations||

idk if i really need to spoil that

mvm it doesnt

[fathom bison]

||Enemies respawn when you bench.||

[keen sundial]

I got a question is ||god home a DLC||

[solid heart]

||Technically, but in reality it's just an update, you can't play without it||

||If you play in 1.4+ you have Godmaster active, and there's nothing you can do about it||

[hoary anvil]

-# well you can if you actively choose to downpatch to like 1.2.2.1 or something

[keen stream]

should i start a new save before doing ||p5||?

[keen sundial]

So if it is a ||DLC then y it has achievements ||

[keen stream]

or should i just do ||ascended hog||?

also... whats ||godseeker||?

[hoary anvil]

depends on why you want to start a new save. it is by no means necessary, but it can be fun in its own right. +you can go for achievements that require a 2nd playthrough.

[hoary anvil]

||the bug you dreamnailed to get into godhome. godseeker mode is a mode that's just in godhome. means you don't need to walk back if you want to do a godhome run, but there's a few things that unfortunatley aren't unlocked by default.||

[keen sundial]

How|| hard is P4||

[hoary anvil]

...plenty of games do that, but fortunately for you it comes preinstalled at no extra cost so they aren't walling off 100% achievements with another purchase (like some games do 😒)

[keen sundial]

Ok

[hoary anvil]

||harder than P1-3, bar specific challenge runs||

[keen sundial]

Your|| opinion what is the hardest boss in p4 other than the fact boss||

[hoary anvil]

assuming by "fact boss" you mean "final boss" ... i might say ||failed champion|| without the cheese strat, although you're guaranteed to have enough resources to execute the cheese strat provided you know about it. ||traitor lord|| has also ended several of my runs whenever i start making random stupid mistakes. beyond that, probably ||watcher knights||. ||soul tyrant|| is worth getting good at because ||they are the one right before the final boss||. ||no eyes|| is just annoying and unfun (especially because ||playing it safe by hiding in the bottom center where you can't get hit takes like forever to complete the fight||)

[solid heart]

I'd say ||eh, actually I don't know, I feel they are all the same difficulty, maybe Failed Champion, it ended many P4AB runs||

But I can't with ||Lost Kin empty hops||

[keen stream]

do yall buy maps in speedrun?

[lone island]

Nah

[keen stream]

aight

[lone island]

Depends on how your knowledge tho

Are you going for the achievements or

[solid heart]

I'd say if you're going for the ||achievement, just memorize the route you want to do, you can tho, it's not a massive time loss||

[lone island]

If you're learning then buying them won't be too bad so you can understand the routes

[hoary anvil]

to me those are mainly an issue on itemless (||dashless||) iirc ... been a while though

[lone island]

Yeah I'm not sure if I used maps or not but my first speedrun I got 2h 37m which isn't too fast but that's abt half the limit and buying maps won't like take you over assuming I had an average time

[solid heart]

Ah right, it's 5 hours lmao, I forgot. That's way too much time

[hoary anvil]

• competitive speedrunners would never (unless there's a glitch or something that would need them)
• speedrun achievement has more than enough time for this
• i still buy them in casual runs because both completionism and it helps me keep track of which rooms i visited

[lone island]

Maps don't give completion tho or do you js mean you like collecting

[hoary anvil]

collecting lol

[keen stream]

les goo

[solid heart]

||AB and hitless did and do annoy me, empty hops have hit several good P5 runs, and have stolen quote a bit of lifeblood that could have been for Markoth and Zote||

[keen stream]

is it possible to finish the game without going through any ||stations||?

[hoary anvil]

-# this is why it really annoys me that i missed the ||lifeblood core room arcane egg|| in my first playthrough

[solid heart]

Yes

[hoary anvil]

yeah, ||stag stations|| are optional. save time though

[keen stream]

like speedrun

[solid heart]

You can finish the game almost however you want lmao

[hoary anvil]

-# is it possible for full game ||clawless|| with skips? no major glitches ofc.

[solid heart]

But they are insanely good in spredruns. ||Any% buys crossroads, distant village and king's, aside of the free dirtmouth||

[solid heart]

Yes, thanks to ||Shrogo||

But even before that it could be done with downpatching and a TAS only skip

[hoary anvil]

doesn't any% also ||buy distant village||?

[solid heart]

Right

[hoary anvil]

nobody got time to walk all the way back from there

[solid heart]

Actually, iirc, ||max% without any single ability is just everything but that, for cloak also everything behind shade gates, and for claw sadly white palace too. But all of them can achieve well over 100%, most 110%||

[keen stream]

omw to ||greenpath|| now

[acoustic sky]

||What are the common charms for godhome? I guess its depends on the playstyle. Ive been trying out dashmaster quickslash and without them.but mostly with shamans.

Im still dont know which one i like. P1-4 just adjusting because of different bosses. But p5 feels like a commitment. Esp with my bad bosses.

And ik its a eh charm. But my body feels like hivecharm would be a good crutch for me. My minor mistakes pile up. And it can help mitigate it. But jn the long run? Lol||

[keen stream]

i should just buy the ||lantern||?

no oter else?

[stoic cedar]

||hiveblood is a pretty terrible charm considering that its 4 notches can go towards the standard dps charms like strength or whatnot. also, since most of the time u get a bench every 5 bosses anyways, the healing from hiveblood isnt really gonna be that effective in the span of 5 bosses||

[hoary anvil]

speaking of minor mistakes piling up, my standard build is built on mitigating that, as ||a hybrid nail/heal build of strenght/quick slash + quick focus/shape of unn||. allows me to play more aggressively because taking a hit isn't as punishing when you can just heal it off easily.

standard for most people is just the DPS check builds though. (i think)

so basically, standard DPS charms of ||quick slash, strength, shaman stone, spell twister (that's 11), and then some other ones depending on if they want to commit fully to nail or spells. steady body helps keep up offensive pressure, nailmaster's glory is a different offense (doesn't work well with strength/quick slash, but is a great filler on a spell build imo, esp if you can work cyclone slashes in for soul)||

[acoustic sky]

||Wait. I dont rememver getting a bench in p5. Am i dumb. Just the bosses. Then a godhome resident then oro and mato. Ive only reached this far for now. I decided to prac in the hall

But yeah. My brain just wants to feel safe i guess. I shoukd just stick with shamans+quick focus. Poke poke poke was fun with single bosses but i get super impatient after a while using quickslash.||

[hoary anvil]

||there's a bench right after oro and mato||

[acoustic sky]

Hmm. Havent tried that. Ill see how it goes

[acoustic sky]

Loool

[stoic cedar]

||the first 10 bosses do not have a bench in between, then its 5 per bench until the very last bench||

[keen stream]

les goo

[keen stream]

there's a bench every 5 bosses

[hoary anvil]

||hornet: is it a bee, or is it a spider? nobody knows.
-# actually, everyone with game lore knowledge knows||

[keen stream]

except for the first one

[keen stream]

idek if she's a bug

[hoary anvil]

canonically a ||spider||. how? i have no idea, the visuals don't reflect the part. probably is actually just ||half spider||, considering ||their dad wasn't a spider||, but...

-# as for the name being ||hornet||, iirc that in part comes from scrapped content where ||they were going to be trained in the hive growing up||.

-# actually, looking it up, nobody knows if it's still cannon or not, just that it was the idea.

[ruby thicket]

||What happens if I challenge them? Like are there a lot of enemies or bosses? If so how many and are they hard? (Sorry I'm trying to figure out if I should do this or work on something else for a bit ||

[livid shoal]

They'll give you one thousand dollars

[hoary anvil]

||boss fight, difficulty may vary depending on your skillset, might as well try it||

as a convenience note, ||if you scale the left wall first with some tricky wall jumps from the door to the wall there's a breakable wall with a lifeblood cocoon behind it that you can use to get 2 lifeblood masks from before each fight||.

[viscid heart]

the path is yours, you can try and if you dont feel like doing it, you can move on with something else

only like 20% of the entire game is absolutely compulsory

[ruby thicket]

Okay thanks I got || the life blood! ||

[keen stream]

should i get the ||queens station||?

[hoary anvil]

speedrun achievement? i mean it could be useful for going back to ||deepnest|| a bit faster, depending on route.

casually? for sure imo

[spark trail]

i need help fighting everyones favorite moth||the mf with shields||

[hoary anvil]

full item spoilers allowed?

[keen stream]

tryna do speedrun 1

2 if possible

||mantis lord|| rn

[stoic cedar]

||mantis lord|| is kind of a waste of time since u can enter ||deepnest|| through faster entrances but the achievement is pretty lenient so u should be fine

[spark trail]

||i got all charms, max nail upgrades||

[spark trail]

but its real fun tho ||and mark of pride||

[stoic cedar]

||mark of pride takes up 3 notches and in a speedrun, notches are pretty limited so i wouldnt suggest mark of pride for the speedrun achievement anyways||

[hoary anvil]

alright, good enough for what i wanted to comment about:
||- save spells for phase 2 before just dumping them into markoth to get that one done faster

• the floor is very useful actually, for moving sideways to evade the nails
• great slash can help outrange markoth's shields if you properly position yourself so they don't rotate into you instantly
• dash slash just full outranges it but requires more distance to get it off. particularly useful for right at the end of the shield spin where it's for sure not going to spawn a nail in front of you||

[keen stream]

so i can reach ||deepnest|| without ||mantis lord||?

[spark trail]

||oh speedrunning, that makes sense now||

[gloomy hamlet]

That second point is useless in ||P5 or ascended and higher||

[hoary anvil]

yeah, most notably there's the entrance right by ||moss chapel|| that just requires ||claw||.

[hoary anvil]

aware

they didn't specify

[gloomy hamlet]

Ah

[hoary anvil]

-# it's also called foreshadowing btw

[spark trail]

oop

[hoary anvil]

tragic

[spark trail]

sent message accidentally

[keen stream]

||deepnest|| needs ||lantern||?

[hoary anvil]

:soulponder:

[spark trail]

||okay, what about charms? my current set is: Strength, twister, grubberflys, quicklslash||

[bright sorrel]

i wonder what the extent of the spoiler bot is

[stoic cedar]

||about half of it is dark so yea u should get lantern||

[hoary anvil]

yes*
*you can technically complete it without it but... good luck without being a true speedrunner

[bright sorrel]

holy shit

no way u cant say that

[hoary anvil]

that's fair enough i suppose, although i personally don't recommend ||elegy|| due to requiring constant positioning to maintain uptime. ||narts|| are burst damage for whenever it's convenient. personal tech build later.

[keen stream]

wdym by that

[hoary anvil]

you need the rooms memorized to get through without it in any reasonable amount of time

[spark trail]

||ive replaced it with fury and Nglory||

[keen stream]

i didnt memorize it

[hoary anvil]

i didnt either

[keen stream]

i only played the game for like 80hrs now

[spark trail]

i only have 45 hours

[hoary anvil]

-# my steam says 875h

[bright sorrel]

theres always a bigger fish

king

[hoary anvil]

LMAO no way it filtered that

[bright sorrel]

i wonder if it asks u to spoiler the word otter

[spark trail]

[hoary anvil]

-# a bit of that was afk for some things like watching ||sibling|| play and ability to quickly pull up demos though

[hoary anvil]

as a note, ||narts|| don't get any benefit from ||strength and quick slash|| so they can be swapped out too.

[spark trail]

||THEY DONT??||

[hoary anvil]

the fact it doesn't from ||strength|| is real disappointing to me

none from ||quick slash|| is fair enough though

[spark trail]

even ||sharp shadow|| doesnt take from it

[stoic cedar]

i feel like ||narts|| would be kinda busted if it were affected by ||strength modification||

[keen stream]

do yall collect ||mask fragments|| in speedrun?

[spark trail]

combining that with ||NGlory would be OP if it did synergize||

[hoary anvil]

that's because ||strength|| is just OP on its own right now

[stoic cedar]

not needed but if u dont feel comfortable at 5 then u should

[gloomy hamlet]

Unless you want to do certain ||shade skips||

[hoary anvil]

Potential Build:
||Core Charms:

• Nailmaster's Glory (+1 =1), Shaman Stone (+3 =4), Spell Twister (+2 =6), +5 remaining
  Potential Options:
• Soul Generation: Soul Eater (+4 = 10), +1 for whatever
• Hybrid Soul Gen: Soul Catcher (+2 = 8), +3 for whatever
• Healing Charms: Shape of Unn (+2 = 8, allows heals during nail spawns), Quick Focus (+3 = 11)
• Steady Body is useful if you for some reason need to charge a nail art without taking nail knockback from a wall.
• Grubsong is a classic filler charm||

[keen stream]

i think i'd do ||mawlek|| for the money

[hoary anvil]

does he know?

-# ||mawlek drops a mask shard, not money||

[keen stream]

fuck

[stoic cedar]

im kinda curious, do u have a route in mind for this achievement? or u just doing whatever u feel like doing at the moment and seeing how it goes?

cuz i would definitely recommend having a route in mind for the achievement

[spice spindle]

WHERE IS THAT LAST ||MOB||I WATCHED 500 VIDEOS CANT FIND IT

[keen stream]

just doin what i think would be good

didnt really think about certain path...

[hoary anvil]

i mean rather than watching a video, you could consult a list and compare your entries

[stoic cedar]

u really should have a route in mind

i would suggest searching up a guide if u dont want to think of ur own route

fireborns guide is really good, u can use that if u want

[hoary anvil]

||https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hunter's_Journal|| has a list that should be in order too, though it does have a couple that exist but aren't counted in that counter.

-# could in theory be ||void tendrils||, that's an easy one to miss as it's ||behind a hidden ceiling in the abyss after the lighthouse||

[keen stream]

i think i'll do speedrun 1 for now

should go to ||city or deepnest||?

or ||crystal cave||?

[spice spindle]

tysm i just realised i have never ||killed a husk warrior|| ☠️

[keen stream]

1hr 16m... and i just finished ||mantis lord||

[stoic cedar]

||i would really suggest just going for the 5 hrs speedrun achievement, that way u can get both the speedrun achievements at once and u dont waste ur own time doing so many different runs||

[hoary anvil]

impressive

[keen stream]

i think ima watch speedrun 2 guide, and then start ||steel soul|| run when im ready

im still not sure about ||steel soul|| ngl

[hoary anvil]

the way i ended up doing it was attempting it, failing the 5h because of repeated deaths, grabbing extra gear ((||shade cloak||)) and going for 10h successfully, and then repeating the 5h on the next run but with grabbing the extra gear i needed.

[keen stream]

still happy i managed to do 112% in 60hrs on my first run

[stoic cedar]

i would suggest looking at a guide while u r doing a run, u dont have to memorize it or anything. pausing the game also pauses the in-game timer so u can read what to do from a guide, do it in-game, then pause and read the guide, and repeat until u beat the game

[hoary anvil]

i have no idea why that achievement rate is so low, it's not the most difficult one in the game, all you need to do is play cautiously and collect like all the optional tools.
-# you can even quit out to save the run, but doing that is cringe and takes away from the satisfaction of doing it legit

[keen stream]

im thinking about if i fail to do speedrun 2 or 1 on the new save, I'd go for the speed completionist achievement

since i managed to do it once, i just didnt roll the credits, surely i can do it again

[stoic cedar]

||i would actually suggest trying to overlap steel heart achievement with speed completion achievement. 20 hrs is really lenient and even if u r playing super catious since its steel soul, 20 hrs is more than doable||

[hoary anvil]

that one is super easy to just tack on to a file you did the other speedrun achievements on after completing them.

[hoary anvil]

also true, i just never bothered doing it that way

-# for ||steel soul 100%|| avoid ||colo 3||, and instead take advantage of ||dlc %s, like pantheons that you can't end a steel soul run at ever||. if you want ||steel soul 112%||, do it early then so it doesn't end you at ||111%|| like it did to me that one time.

-# i had even practiced beforehand

[spark trail]

||this f*cking moth is more difficult than Grimm||

[vague cloak]

Yup

[hoary anvil]

[spark trail]

now im just gonna ||overcharm grubberfly's elegy with mark of pride, strength, and quick||

[hoary anvil]

best of luck

[spark trail]

yeah that was dumb

oop

i thought spoilering the text would spoiler the image aswell

||theres nothing more satisfying than this||

got em

[hoary anvil]

as a curiosity, controller or keyboard? ||nail arts are a lot harder on controller with default controls due to attack and jump being both letter buttons -> sharing a finger usually||

[hoary anvil]

gg

[spark trail]

keyboard

[hoary anvil]

keyboard gaming 🦀

-# i used custom controls for it almost immediately because i saw that jump wasn't space and said no

[spark trail]

i just suck at videogames ||does first trying hollow knight(the boss) count as sucking||

[spark trail]

YEAH

i changed it to WASD

cause i cannot do arrow keys

for ANY game

[hoary anvil]

considered doing that, but i haven't and muscle memory sure does exist now.

[spark trail]

now i have to defeat ||galien||

any suggestions?

[hoary anvil]

as a note i discovered on some keyboards (like my laptop), pressing the combination of Space + [Up + Left]/[Down + Right] will drop the 3rd input and freeze all inputs until one of the three is released. quite annoying, caused me to move it over to IJKL to avoid needing to relearn muscle memory.

[spark trail]

IJKL?? that feels cursed to me-

[hoary anvil]

they are annoying ... ||moving back and forth under the scythe each bounce can help manage it as its homing is limited||

[hoary anvil]

my other hand rests on Shift A S C Space, which my sister finds very cursed. (I don't use shift atm though)

hmm... i might try learning a WASD control set eventually

[spark trail]

you learning the advanced controlls before the basic

my mind cant comprehend anything other than wasd

[hoary anvil]

no, i remapped everything lol

[spark trail]

im not judging im just making joke

[hoary anvil]

wait wdym by advanced contorls? probably misunderstood

-# plus i've played WASD Mouse on like terraria

[spark trail]

i was making a joke cause ive never heard of ijkl lol

of using those as your up down left right

[hoary anvil]

IJKL was arrow keys but transposed onto the keyboard to prevent a hardware issue i was running in to

[spark trail]

OH

[hoary anvil]

mainly because i didn't want to have to relearn the left hand

(and the key causing issues with arrow keys was spacebar for jump)

also, i ran into IJKL before on some random multiplayer game with 2 players at 1 keyboard that i don't even remember what it was it was that long ago

[spark trail]

now to the fight the ||pantheons||

[pearl wind]

Does anybody have any tips for ||absrad radiant?||

[drowsy yarrow]

I did the ||speedrun|| achievements after ||etv||. I vaguely thought of a route and took my time, even talking to NPC's for lore and resting by ||Quirrel|| for a while. I finished in a little under 4 hours after several deaths to ||thk|| (he's surprisingly tricky without upgrades). I got all ||stag stations|| and several unnecessary ||mask shards||. It's lenient so long as you don't death spiral.

[keen stream]

jus watched ||absrad|| fight, i don't think its way harder than normal ||rad||...

[stoic cedar]

||as with a lot of fights, ddark is ur friend here. Don’t be afraid to use it to dodge attacks or clear the spikes. U can also use ddark in the platform phase as an offensive tool to deal more damage to abs rad while using the ddark iframes through whatever she does||

[stoic cedar]

||u can’t really tell just based on a video of abs rad by itself since it’s rather deceptive, but a side by side comparison will show the speed difference. Abs rad is like 2x faster than radiance, after playing abs rad ull feel like everything in radiance is really slow||

[pearl wind]

Thanks for the advice! 😊

[keen stream]

I'll do ||ascended sly|| then attempt ||p5|| again

i feel like ||sly|| would be the only hindrance

[drowsy yarrow]

||Sly|| is very consistent at least. Every move has a very consistent counter. I struggle more with ||Hornet 2|| because you have less time to react and because of her ||spike traps||

[hoary anvil]

if needed, there is the method of ||only clearing some of the spike traps, letting them all bunch up in one half of the arena until the limit (5?) is reached||

[stoic cedar]

6

[hoary anvil]

-# i think the spawning limit is different than the spawn trigger limit

[drowsy yarrow]

Yeah, although I'm also impatient and want to ||shade soul|| her a lot when ||all bindings|| are active. That also ||clears spikes|| which works for me

[stoic cedar]

||in all bindings I play like a scaredy cat against hornet 2 lol. I just go for like one or maybe two hits and immediately back off. it’s just so easy to take hits on hornet 2||

[spark trail]

using this to cheese ||lost kin||

[drowsy yarrow]

With ||sly|| I can relax though. You can actually heal after his ||three hit combo|| ending in his ||spin move|| if you start immediately as his ||spin|| starts.

I also play pretty cautious vs ||Hornet 2||, one hit at a time, but sometimes that hit is a ||shade soul|| instead of a ||nail swing||

[hoary anvil]

that is among the builds of all time

[spark trail]

IT WORKED

[stoic cedar]

Standard heal build fr 🤣

[wise nimbus]

||Does the time spend in benches counted in pantheons? ||

[ruby thicket]

|| I did it and now the mantis don't attack me and they bow when I walk past! || thanks for the help earlier to the the people who help

[rocky sequoia]

||I tried to pass this with crystal heart, it is where conifer was sitting. but at some point I have to jump down and I can't nail bounce. so is this route not possible without the wings?||

[drowsy yarrow]

I've never tested. Would be interesting to know

[fossil flower]

||c dash should be enough||

[rocky sequoia]

the normal one? ||with the mothwing cloak?||

[stoic cedar]

||cdash stands for crystal dash, which is the crystal heart ability||

[stoic cedar]

Yes

[wise nimbus]

Assuming the worst case scenario, we take full heals in each ||bench. ||
How much time would it add?

Approx

Any idea?

[rocky sequoia]

as I said it doesn't go all the way. there is a part where I have to jump down. and down there there is nothing where I can stand

[stoic cedar]

||u can cdash off walls||

[rocky sequoia]

oh

[stoic cedar]

Pretty significant time loss, maybe 15 seconds or so if I had to guess, assuming u talking about ||p5||

[wise nimbus]

Ahh shit...
Shuu wants to get the actual time

But since livesplit isn't for mobile

Not possible

[stoic cedar]

Oh I don’t have the exact time loss for u since I don’t do ||pantheon|| speedruns

[prisma mountain]

haha I used something like that against|| colo3|| last night with surprisingly good results

[spark trail]

||still havent beat colo 3||

||way to difficult for me rn||

[fierce fjord]

Omg i just did a massive skip

[wise nimbus]

Ohww, nvm

should

[fierce fjord]

On mobile

Btw how do you put spoilers on the video?

[wise nimbus]

||should Shuu unlock cocoons first? Or just practice hog.
For p5 speed run||

@stoic cedar

[wise nimbus]

?imgspoilers

[fierce fjord]

Video

[wise nimbus]

Same

Thing

[fierce fjord]

No i meant i dont know how to put spoilers

[rocky sequoia]

is this game available for mobile?

[fierce fjord]

I did not use discord for like 2 months now

[fierce fjord]

No i dont think soo but i think someone did put it on mobile

[wise nimbus]

?tag imgspoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1048068304801120336/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg

🔹 Images that were sent untagged cannot be edited and must be deleted.

[wise nimbus]

Unofficially

[fierce fjord]

Yep

[fierce fjord]

Here

[stoic cedar]

||lifeblood is important if u doing fury, otherwise its not as important||

[wise nimbus]

Ahh

Later then

rn

Wow

[rocky sequoia]

nice it looks good

[fierce fjord]

Yeah i rarely play on normal mode now

[rocky sequoia]

what do you use to record?

[wise nimbus]

Wow

[fierce fjord]

How do you guys put spoilers on message?

[fierce fjord]

Its soo difficult it took me about 40 minutes retrying

[wise nimbus]

Damm

[rocky sequoia]

"|"

[wise nimbus]

Is this harder than|| qga||

[rocky sequoia]

use this twice

[fierce fjord]

I also did this skip but i think every player knows it already

[wise nimbus]

I mean yeah... Every skipper knows about almost every skips

For yrs

[stoic cedar]

Nice that’s a very well known shortcut already

[wise nimbus]

Unique setup

[rocky sequoia]

may I ask what you use to record on mobile

[wise nimbus]

?tag spoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (People, Places, and Things should be spoiler tagged!! if you are confused, please see the pins for what is allowed ).
We do this to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

[fierce fjord]

A random recorder and just edit most of the stuff

[stoic cedar]

Nice! This is a hard skip so congrats. U should try the even harder version of this with no ||cdash||

[wise nimbus]

That's hell

Shuu tried that

[fierce fjord]

Nah that famous one? Thats soo stupid

[wise nimbus]

[fierce fjord]

I cannot even beat ||pantheon 4||

[fierce fjord]

Yet

Here's a funny one

[rocky sequoia]

do you have a video on that

[stoic cedar]

Just watch the latest patch any% nmg wr

[fierce fjord]

Its on YouTube just search
||No CDash Isma skip||

[fossil flower]

Hardest ever

[upbeat heath]

Need Help as soon as possible!

I started another steal soul save today for no reason and after quitting and reloading all I see is this, I thought originally it was QoL mod but it dose not seem to be that, and the reason I have not turned of all other mods is because of a hkmp randomizer I am doing with a friend so I can't turn them off without losing that save, if there is anyway you know to fix it please let me know as soon as you can!

[hoary anvil]

initially i thought that meant the latest (1.2.2.1) any% nmg wr ((||fury route|| iirc)), not not the current patch one.

[fierce fjord]

I mean yeah

[alpine comet]

bro i read ||fury route || as furry route
me thinking wtf this guy talking about

[stoic cedar]

lol yea latest patch and current patch mean the same thing, but i feel like more ppl call it latest patch since the acronym for current patch can be mistaken for smth else....

[hoary anvil]

||crystal peaks||

[fierce fjord]

Besides having a hard time on ||pure veseel|| and ||colosseum of fools|| i can do the ||112%||

[hoary anvil]

you didn't hear about that? crazy

[alpine comet]

💀

[fierce fjord]

Yoo guys do you have ||charm Set|| for ||pantheon 4?||

[hoary anvil]

just my standard one, which is an unusual pick that i like personally

being (full item knowledge assumed): ||quick focus/shape of unn + strength/quick slash||

[upbeat heath]

please help... I don't want to lose data

[fierce fjord]

I never ever tried ||shape of unn|| before

[hoary anvil]

quite useful. ||makes healing ... not completely free but a lot easier. combo with quick focus for faster move speed.||

[upbeat heath]

I would not use it

[fierce fjord]

I already reach 102% on ||steel soul|| but died cuz i attempted the ||true ending||

[hoary anvil]

dps check method enjoyer detected (presumably)

[upbeat heath]

I would use for ||patheon 4|| a full combat focused build

[hoary anvil]

full combat focused build ... what is ||shape of unn|| if not something that makes ||healing in combat|| easier? it has like no use outside of combat

[rugged veldt]

Morning guys, what's up?

[upbeat heath]

I'm soft locked and hopefully not hard locked, I don't want to lose the saves data but nothing is working to get the save back to normal

[prisma creek]

Make a backup of your modded saves then disabled the mods and try again, if that doesnt work make a post in #1057825333841240104

[fierce fjord]

Oof

[hoary anvil]

probably ask in #1057825333841240104

[upbeat heath]

how would I make a backup?

[fierce fjord]

But this is the charms i used on the first half its pretty useful purely countering ||lost kin|| XD

[rugged veldt]

If this is mod related then yeah only way is to go to modding and let them figure it out.

[upbeat heath]

yes

[prisma creek]

There should be a .bak file in your saves, one for each save

[hoary anvil]

-# you can just copy the files somewhere

[rugged veldt]

Also uh you might want to spoiler tag ||steel soul||

[thick wing]

is this worth doing yet

[upbeat heath]

is it just there automatically? and if so would it just be safe to disable API now without changing something

[rugged veldt]

You mean the statue? No, I'd say you note down its place and come back later

[hoary anvil]

wouldn't trust those as they get overwritten

[hoary anvil]

if you're looking for a number, ||3000||

[thick wing]

been there before people told me to come back later
at one point should i come back though, without spoilers if that's possible

[rugged veldt]

[hoary anvil]

when ||you're rich||

[hoary anvil]

.

[prisma creek]

They are there automatically, they update with your saves, just copy one to an external folder then you can do whatever without fear of corrupting your saves, just make sure to confirm that they are uncorrupted and functional before deleting the external backup

[hoary anvil]

-# time to note that ||shape of unn|| can also help vs ||lost kin|| as you can just ... ||move away from the balloons||

[hoary anvil]

i'd copy both the .bak and the .dat file personally. or if just one, the .dat

[thick wing]

pretty sure the ||trials|| allow me to do that, speaking of those, i just beat the first tier
i heard that there's a new ||dash|| that i could possibly get at this current stage of the game?? like is it this icon right here or is it just the arena and i'm stupid

[upbeat heath]

I am so sorry but I am stupid and don't know how to do that, could you possibly send me a kind of step-by-step sort of thing in private dms if not here please? it is ok if you don't want to

[prisma creek]

Theres a tag for the backups step by step

[upbeat heath]

you get it (it being the ||dash upgrade||) from a place in ||basin|| once you get the ||kings brand|| item

[prisma creek]

One sec

[hoary anvil]

...a new ||dash||... i can see you're missing a prerequisite, you might be missing more, inventory check?

and ^ would not be that icon, that icon is just ||a marker for the colosseum of fools, which is where the trials are. community shorthand names of like "colo 1/2/3"||

[prisma creek]

?tag backup

[languid radish]

No tag backup found.

[hoary anvil]

rather direct, but true. could be an uncspoiler moment though as they for sure don't have that 2nd spoiler

?tag uncspoilers for reference

[languid radish]

🔹 An unnecessary spoiler is a spoiler (even a tagged one!) that was not directly requested by the user being helped, such as help referencing in-game content that the player has not necessarily reached - Charms build containing Charms they haven’t found, for example. These spoilers, though generally good-intentioned, can harm a player’s experience as any other spoiler would. Remember the game is non-linear; Always make sure to know what a player has and where they’ve reached. A simple screenshot of their map and inventory would tell you all you need to know.

[upbeat heath]

😶

[prisma creek]

Sorry im not at my computer right now so my help is limited but you can make a post in #1057825333841240104 , they have the resources to help, just make sure to follow pins.

[upbeat heath]

by new ||dash|| I think they mean ||shade cloak||

[hoary anvil]

alright, it's just the one prerequisite you're missing. if you want to know where to go to get said ||new dash||, it would be first ||a spot in kingdom's edge requiring wings|| and then ||a spot in basin requiring said new item you get||

[hoary anvil]

they do

(probably)

-# i can see on the map that they didn't go to ||cast off shell||

[upbeat heath]

ok, I just have very limited time (around 10 ish minutes) until I either leave it be or have to delete the save before I have do do other things

[prisma creek]

I would leave it be, if worst comes to worst theres always debug mod and save modification

[simple island]

Make a #1057825333841240104 post

[upbeat heath]

just did

[simple island]

This to me sounds like a benchwarp issue

Probably fixable

[hoary anvil]

isn't there a mod specifically dedicated to fixing something in benchwarp?

(idk i just saw it on the list)

[fossil flower]

wha?

ther a mod for that?

[fossil flower]

wdym scene without a bench?

[hoary anvil]

may or may not be relevant, but who knows

[fossil flower]

how do u warp to a no bench?

[simple island]

Basically you can deploy benches with benchwarp

[fossil flower]

oh yeah

[hoary anvil]

i would think basically any room that doesn't have a bench. so like ||king's pass, the room down the well, not dirtmouth, etc||

[simple island]

And if you deploy a ||bench in like… a dream, or within a colo||
It bricks your game

[fossil flower]

it wont let me sit and edit ||charm|| though

[simple island]

Press warp

You will warp to the bench you’ve just deployed

[fickle jasper]

Which ones I should be using for|| Traitor Lord||??

[simple island]

They don’t matter too much for that boss really

You can’t heal in the fight so…

||Shaman stone, mark of pride, then whatever you can fit with soul catcher, spell twister, grubsong||

[fickle jasper]

I was healing lol

[simple island]

It’s called gambling lol

[fickle jasper]

thank you

[simple island]

I don’t like gambling with ||a two damage boss||

[fickle jasper]

yeah but with ||quick focus|| there's really no risk

[hoary anvil]

have you considered: ||scythes attack||

[simple island]

… not convinced
Like the boss is so aggressive, you are basically just betting on them doing a ||jumpy move instead of a straightforward attack||

[fickle jasper]

I don't have it tho

[simple island]

Ok so you are betting on a lucky spacing

[hoary anvil]

it's an attack not an item

[fickle jasper]

oh lol

[hoary anvil]

uh... the spacing is consistent i think

[simple island]

Mayhaps

[fickle jasper]

what is it

is it ||nail art||??

[hoary anvil]

no, if you get far enough away from ||traitor lord||, it ||throws two orange things||

[fickle jasper]

ohh

you mean that

[hoary anvil]

yeah, if you space yourself right you can just heal on it. that's what i do anyways. even easier with a certain charm you don't have.

[hoary anvil]

...i want to record myself doing this now, will do

-# on second thought, actually posting it here might technically unnecessarily spoil something else

[fickle jasper]

this boss is too hard for me.

[olive mirage]

Which one are you working on?

[hoary anvil]

||traitor lord||

[fickle jasper]

||Traitor Lord||

[hoary anvil]

for reference

[olive mirage]

Maybe you could come back later if you don’t have ||maxed out nail||

[fickle jasper]

nah, I am not fighting with other bosses to have a|| better nail||

[olive mirage]

Huh?

[simple island]

After testing you can reliable heal if they do two ||grounded attacks, cuz you now know that the follow up will always be a jump||

Not sure how useful that is

[hoary anvil]

i usually still just ||outrun them until they eventually throw scythes, look at the scythes, space myself, and then heal||. even recorded a clip of it that would uncspoiler here

-# either that or use my favorite ||charm|| that they don't have

[simple island]

It is a pretty big gap in difficulty
And the walk back to them is super long (shorten it by any means necessary)
What is important to note is that your ||shade dash recharges as fast as they attack
You can always dash through them (though the timing isn’t the most lenient)||

[hoary anvil]

you can even get away with ||shade dash for both standard attacks followed by dash back and go for a hit and be fine, if differentiating them is an issue||

[fickle jasper]

I am bad at|| dashing trough||

[limpid shuttle]

Nah, pogo is the goat

[fickle lotus]

just got the ||crystal dash||, now where do i go/what do i do?

[limpid shuttle]

explore more of the map

[fickle lotus]

anywhere in particular u recommend?

[keen stream]

there's a secret place in ||godhome||??

[limpid shuttle]

Go down

[fickle lotus]

i havent played the game in yrs and have come back to this point, im gonna need a bit more guidance lol

what part of the map should i go to?

[fickle jasper]

it feels like fighting with 10 immune ||primal aspids||

[alpine comet]

check your map

[fickle lotus]

what about it?

[alpine comet]

see your map and check where you can go like unfinished path etc

[limpid shuttle]

Just go places you haven't been yet and keep note of areas you can't get to to come back to later

[buoyant flame]

How do I get the ||Grub|| that is left of the ||White Lady||?

[simple island]

from below

[buoyant flame]

But I don't see a path

I hear it when I touch the left wall

[limpid shuttle]

Gotta go all the way around

[buoyant flame]

I think I found the path

Yep

[hoary anvil]

yeah, what are you thinking of?

[buoyant flame]

What are the best ||Charms|| I an use against ||thk||?

Nvm I beat him

[buoyant flame]

First try

[simple island]

Yeah ||thk|| isn’t exactly the hardest thing around

A very ||disappointing final boss
As if there was more to it …||

[buoyant flame]

Yeah I know what that means, ||there is more to it||.

Also I am not going to even attempt ||Steel Soul Mode||

I'm going back there

No that's just the fight again

[median scarab]

how do i reach ||zote in deepnest im staring at the dude but i cant find a way in||

dude i found it just now

[inner sandal]

Nice

[median scarab]

hollow knight players when tasked with 3 minutes of exploration

[inner sandal]

Real

[jade sedge]

You shouldnt send full maps like that, they contain lots of unnecessary spoilers they didnt ask for

[inner sandal]

Mb gng

[obtuse hedge]

wher's the spoiler option ?

[inner sandal]

If u wanna spoiler text u have to use | two time before and after the text and if a photo u gotta select the photo then click on it before u send it

Wait

Like this

[inner sandal]

And then just click spoiler

But if u on pc I dunno

[obtuse hedge]

ok thank you

| like this ? |

||wait||

ok i got it

[stiff yew]

guys idk what boss to go next i just beat ||broken vessel but cant beat his dream version rn🥲|| and ||the guy guarding the shade soul||

[keen stream]

the ||temporary tuning|| thing

||temporary tuning made of carapaces|| smth

jus saw it earlier

didn't know it exists until now

[simple island]

its rather pointles

[neat karma]

You should go exploring to ||areas where you couldnt reach before because you were missing an extra jump, youll probably find a lot, also dw about beating the dream boss you wont really need it right now just keeo in mind that hes there for later||

[keen stream]

its kinda cool tho

is it a "by chance" thing or do i need to do some stuff?

[stiff yew]

what areas can I go to with the ||monarch wings?||

[keen stream]

||watch tower||

[stiff yew]

is that in ||the city of tears where the dreamer is?||

[keen stream]

also that one place in ||ancient basin||, there's a ||grub|| there iirc

[keen stream]

yep

[stoic cedar]

||yes, the tuner memory, as its called, is a 2% chance and it can only be entered once on a save file.||

[keen stream]

sounds like its time consuming

[neat karma]

||Well just about everywhere there are places you couldnt reach before, but if you want more specific locations of important stuff, in the heart of the city and the borders of the kingdom there should be somd stuff for you to find||

[simple island]

||wings open up like 3%|| if you do basic skips 🙂
none if you do harder skips

[neat karma]

Ok bestie but this is hkhelp not hkspeedrunning

[stiff yew]

also was i meant to be able to go to ||blue lake|| by this point? ||with the monarch wings||

[simple island]

-# yeah but spiiiddd

[neat karma]

Sure! If you can reach it youre meant to be there

[stiff yew]

i did a skip😂

lol

[neat karma]

Unless you purposefully bugged something out'

So yeah in those cases just assume no

[simple island]

||blue lake is expected to be reached with just claw, just cdash or wings||
there are tons of ways to get there

[stiff yew]

but i mean with the abilities that i have atp i could go there anyway so yeah

[simple island]

well reaching it with only ||claw and dash is not possible
but add lantern, city crest, tram pass... and you can reach it||

[thick wing]

just defeated ||soul master||, i wonder what's next since i've heard there's an upgraded ||dash||
you can get in ||king's pass||

[simple island]

oh boy, well ||KE doesn't have much for you
I would reccommend that you try to go to the top right of the map, above resting grounds and explore there||

[fierce fjord]

Why im i doing this to myself

[quaint trench]

I DIED IN THE F*CKING ||GRAVE ROOM|| IN ||FLOWER QUEST|| AGUHAUGHAUGHAUGAUHGAUGH

The funniest part is that I sent this message in #hk-discussion 40 minutes earlier

So anyways I now want to rip my eyes out

[obtuse hedge]

it remembers me when i lost the|| flower quest|| in|| fog canyon|| cause i forgot to desequip my ||grimmchid||

[gleaming prawn]

How do i open this? i dont find any way of doing so

[quaint trench]

I JUST DIED IN THE ROOM BEFORE THE ||GRAVE||

OIJGKSFDSF

[quaint trench]

Short answer: ||somethign something seer something something||
Actual answer: ||It's a reward you get for getting some amount of essence||
either way it's not really important so it's fine

[jade sedge]

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