hk-help

[sharp torrent]

it's maybe a little harder to find than it should be

but as long as you're paying attention when you're exploring, you should come across it

how far into the game are you? ||what movement items and spells?||

[thick wing]

uh, I just got the ||dream nail|| thing

[sharp torrent]

that's still relatively early

[thick wing]

||okay, so, that’s what you need if you got the voidheart edition, to start the Grimm troupe ritual, you need to go to the howling cliffs and find the nightmare lantern, go further to the right of the nightmare lantern, and dreamnail the bug there, then strike the strike the lantern with your nail until you hear accordions||

[thick wing]

the voidheart edition is the one with all the dlc's right?

im playing on switch

[thick heath]

||how much geos do I need for unbreakable strength?||

[supple sluice]

||15,000||

[civic pier]

Gm chat

[tawny sapphire]

gm

[simple island]

The dlc are just updates, any version of the game which is available for purchase has all the content

(Unless you consider room dupes content )

[vast forge]

good morning

[sharp helm]

bad afternoon

[alpine comet]

good afternoon

[warped kite]

good morning

[midnight fossil]

spoiler???

[lofty raven]

that's why I marked it as a spoiler?

[midnight fossil]

wait I FORGOT I UNSPOILERED IT LMAO

[bold matrix]

||i just git shade soul, am i supposed to beat watcher knights now to progress? And what are the ideal charms for watcher knights?||

[stoic cedar]

||beating watcher knights is a way to progress, yes. can u show a screenshot of ur charm inventory so that we can better advise on charm builds?||

[bold matrix]

sorry if the quality is bad, i play on the switch

@stoic cedar

[stoic cedar]

u already pinged me in the reply, no need to ping twice lmao

[bold matrix]

sorry im impatient as hell mb tho

[stoic cedar]

||u could do smth like shaman stone, spell twister, grubsong. or shaman stone, longnail, grubsong. u can also try steady body instead of grubsong||

[bold matrix]

||what does steady body even do?||

oh i know now

[dark viper]

U dont get knocked back when u hit

[bold matrix]

thsn

[bold matrix]

i keep getting through the first 3 but then i always die

[stoic cedar]

||it just takes some practice to be able to read and dodge their attacks consistently. u usually want to have both watcher knights in view at the same time so that u can see what both of them are doing.||

||also do u know about the chandelier?||

[wise nimbus]

is it better to change builds after|| benches|| in|| p5?||
or should shuu just go with a single build for the whole thing.

[bright sorrel]

single

[wise nimbus]

shukayy

[stoic cedar]

first of all, u need to spoiler tag this. also, ||hornet only swoops into the hollow knight fight if u have a certain charm||

[sour comet]

Srryyy, wich one ?

[stoic cedar]

||ull get it naturally as u keep playing, its a late game charm so i dont want to spoil too much||

[sour comet]

Ok ty

[sour comet]

|| do i need awoken dream nail to get a king soul || ?

[stoic cedar]

yes

[sour comet]

Ty

[lofty raven]

no is it hard 😭

and where do I do it

[simple island]

It’s a stupidely hidden boss, go back to the arena with ||dung defender (the sewer boss) and squint really hard at the floor trying to find a part of it which is cracked, then dive||

Alternatively I’m sure you are missing a ||dream tree or two
There are 2 in crossroads which are easily missed, one near grubfather, the other (and much more missable) in ancestral mound)||

[wise nimbus]

What's the maximum amount of collectable ||essence in the game? ||
excluding the one we get from killing random mobs.

[proper frost]

||3200 or smth
Its on the esscense wiki||

[sacred dove]

Any tips for ||Radiant White Defender||?

[proper frost]

||dont mess up your jiggles||

[sacred dove]

What?

[civic pier]

as in the ||dung fella||?

[stoic cedar]

||they are talking about the dream version of dung defender, which is called white defender||

[stoic cedar]

||maybe theyre talking about the strat where u juggle white defender||

[civic pier]

i do know that

i was clarifying did i understand right

[sacred dove]

Any other tip?

[stoic cedar]

||well if u r gonna do the juggle strat u dont need any other tip since if u keep up the juggle for the entire fight u just get the kill like that. but if u doing the fight normally without juggling a safe approach to radiant it would be to just be wary of that spike slam attack where it sends spikes in both directions. if u too close u will get hit by that attack, so u usually want to go for hits only when white defender is throwing dung balls so that u dont get caught by that attack. also, if u have enough soul u can shriek when he throws dung balls to clear them out immediately. the bouncing trajectory of those dung balls can sometimes hit u if u arent careful so its better to just shriek them to clear them immediately||

[sacred dove]

I beat him

[stoic cedar]

nice!

[simple island]

The juggle is simply really strong

If you get it down you get down the boss

[dark viper]

Wait u can juggle him to death and never let him land or wdym?

[simple island]

Yup

I don’t have a video of it but I’m sure you can find some on youtube

It won’t work on ||dung defender because he staggers|| out of it

[sacred dove]

||AbsRad||, I'm coming

[sinful temple]

What is the optimal charm build for ||colosseum of fools ||

[simple island]

Assuming you have everything ?

[sinful temple]

( ||second trail to be exact)||

[sinful temple]

I’ll take a pic of what I have

[vivid fog]

tag ||hornet||next time. i'll deleted your message for now

[simple island]

Yeah inventory and charm inventory are super useful

[vivid fog]

tag ||dream gate|| next time. i'll delete your message for now

and ||dream trees|| too

[lofty raven]

oh

I wasn't thinking

[sinful temple]

These are my charms + I have every ability in the game

[vivid fog]

it's all good qikxo

[stoic cedar]

||soul catcher + soul eater, thats a rather funny build but ig that could work||

[vivid fog]

also haiii azerod

[sacred dove]

I kinda have nothing else

[simple island]

Well for ||colo|| your main objective should be to one shot everything
So using ||nail arts and spells is a must, so you put on shaman stone and nail master glory, as for the remaining notches it depends, grubsong is amazing in colo, dreamwielder while it may seem niche can let you get back up to full soul by farming the last enemy of any given wave, mark of pride can be good, as is every other soul gathering charm (spell twister, soul catcher…)
||

By the way, every time you use ||spells ||you should absolutely use the "||quick cast||" key and not the "focus" key
Using the correct key makes the ||spell|| activate like half a second earlier, which you don’t want to miss out on

[simple island]

No ||shamans|| ?
insert no bitches meme

[sinful temple]

I didn’t know about that

[stoic cedar]

||well heres my build for radiant abs rad in case u ever want to try an alternative: strength, quick slash, spell twister, soul catcher, overcharm shaman stone. i would highly recommend shaman stone on radiant abs rad just for the dps||

[simple island]

Maybe because the game doesn’t tell you about it for some fucking reason

[sacred dove]

I don't use ||spells (outside of ddark)|| that much so ||shaman|| would be a waste for me

[simple island]

But ||shriek|| ?

Is this for ||radabsrad|| ?

[stoic cedar]

||shriek is insanely powerful against abs rad, just 4 or 5 shrieks with shaman stone in the first phase and u r onto the sword rain phase. ||

[simple island]

(Aka by far the ||hardest radiant|| boss)

[sacred dove]

I need the soul for ||DDark||

[simple island]

If you don’t need to heal, I’m 99% sure you will not need that much soul

Do a few attempts, you will see that you are basically always gonna be full on soul

[dark viper]

That will help a ton thanks

[stoic cedar]

||if u deal dmg quickly enough u wont need to use ddark as often. thats where shaman stone + shriek comes into play||

[sacred dove]

Do you really think I'm fast?

[stoic cedar]

||u literally only need at most 5 shrieks to get to sword rain phase, trust me, the first phase goes by quite fast with shaman stone||

[simple island]

||https://youtu.be/BuW2_xxemXI?si=SvX4CWuVDMHcRmxA
https://youtu.be/XvEj1qIinFM?si=pUkqs4qYQ1lUanNQ||
in my two clears of that thing, ||shriek|| is a big factor, especially the first one I did (second vid) in which it does all the damage of the plat phase

[sacred dove]

Idrc about time, I just need consistency

[stoic cedar]

||it is quite consistent, there are safe openings to get one or two shrieks in||

||for example, on the beam burst attack, u can safely get in two shrieks if done correctly. thats literally like half the shrieks u need if u r using shaman stone||

[sacred dove]

I'm done with ||AbsRad|| I'm going back on ||Pale Prince||

[stoic cedar]

u beat ||radiant abs rad||? or r u just saying u got tired with it

[sacred dove]

tired

[stoic cedar]

yea understandable, i took 7 hrs to beat it, its the hardest one for sure

[thick wing]

then what makes voidheart edition different?

[simple island]

Hmm

Nothing ?

[crystal tide]

same thing?!

[simple island]

I mean I think it’s technically a different patch from anything that was released on PC, but like besides the patch number being different there is next to no gameplay difference

(There are differences in how rng, some cycles and some glitches work but stuff like that also varies based on fps so like whatever)

[bright vigil]

||is there a way to save progress in p4 and p5 or do you have to start from 0 every time?||

[alpine comet]

start from zero everytime

[supple sluice]

Leave the game open

[vague cloak]

Also kinda true

[bright vigil]

wdym

[wise nimbus]

||Blue cocoons|| for ||P5|| are unlocked after ||ab p1-4 ||

?

[tawny sapphire]

uh not exactly

but yeah

[alpine comet]

after || 8 binding || 3 ||cocoons unlock|| iirc

[wise nimbus]

awhhh..
is it better to just focus on ||p5 or should shuu unlock cocooons first? ||

[tawny sapphire]

doing ||12 bindings gives 4 and all 16 gives 5||

[tawny sapphire]

||P5, cocoons are unnecessary||

[wise nimbus]

shukayy

Also

is ||flukenest ||good?

[alpine comet]

only on a few bosses

[tawny sapphire]

if you are speedrunning yeah

[wise nimbus]

shuu has watched 211A's ||Destroying Pantheon 5|| video a lot of time..
Feels like shuu should use it

[wise nimbus]

uhh not exactly doing it but yeah

[tawny sapphire]

it requires a lot of practice and good rng to use iirc

[alpine comet]

iirc you never get good rng

just use ||shaman stone ||10x better for normal runs

[wise nimbus]

Wht should shuu remove then?

[wise nimbus]

ohww

Not good for overall run then.

?

[tawny sapphire]

yeah

[wise nimbus]

uhh, really

[tawny sapphire]

just stick with ||Shaman|| it's more consistent

[wise nimbus]

Doesn't feel like it honestly

[alpine comet]

yeah REALLY

[tawny sapphire]

yeah that's fine as well

[alpine comet]

||steady body || ewwwwwwwww

[wise nimbus]

Then, this or ||shaman + nmg/ d.weilder||

[tawny sapphire]

your choice, both work

[tawny sapphire]

[wise nimbus]

Haha shuu didn't touch it until he saw ||p4||

[wise nimbus]

wht bout ||fluke & nmg/d.weilder|| instead of the last 2

shu can play anyhow

[tawny sapphire]

you can try but I won't recommend ||flukenest, but if you wanna use it go ahead||

[wise nimbus]

ohww...
Maybe shuu should give it a couple of tries then

Will figure it out

.
thnx

[tawny sapphire]

yw

[distant gale]

guys what charms should i have, how many masks and how many times d||o i need to upgrade my nail for traitor lord boss fight ||

whats recommended?

[tawny sapphire]

uh atleast ||nail 2||? and ||7 masks||? idk tbh

[alpine comet]

send inv and charm inv

[distant gale]

my charms are awfull 😭

[alpine comet]

?tag imgspoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1048068304801120336/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg

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[alpine comet]

send inventory too

[alpine comet]

tf

HOW DO YOU HAVE THIS LESS CHARMS

[distant gale]

wym

[tawny sapphire]

real

[alpine comet]

you are in the endgame and you have pretty low amount of charms

[distant gale]

idk bruh i didnt find any, and i didnt buy some

i can buy like|| shaman stone ||

i heard its good or whatever

[alpine comet]

yeah buy that

[distant gale]

yeah and what do i replace it with

[alpine comet]

use || shaman stone and spell twister for traitor lord||

if you can get another || notch || equip || longnail || too

[distant gale]

how about ||wayward compass || 😭

oh i can just unequip it for the boss fight

im stupid

[flint spear]

guys how do u beat ||soul master?||

mf keeps spitting those fireballs like shi

[simple island]

First off, please edit your message with spoiler tags

Secondly what I would recommend trying to ||stay grounded as much as possible
When he just shoots orbs, dashing under them is ideal as that leads them to just hit the ground and disappear, you also need to have a jump ready for when he dives, or flies across the screen
Also don’t try to to heal outside of staggers or after he finishes that one attack in which he flies across the screen with balls around him (just stay in the center and you can heal for one or two)||

[flint spear]

yeah my bad

[flint spear]

thank you

[simple island]

-# appropriate

[frosty ocean]

WASAP BRO

time to sleep

[humble sphinx]

The game is unstable. I've just installed it on a fresh computer and took 3 minutes to crash. I had this problem before (on the previous computer) and someone told me to use a specific version or something similar, but I dont know how to do it again

[simple island]

the game is known for not being well coded, but unstable and crashing often ? not so much

where did you get your game ?

[humble sphinx]

steam

[simple island]

im gonna assume no mods

[humble sphinx]

correct

[simple island]

1. verify the game files, you never know
2. are you running a 32 bit operating system ?

I do not know how you can easily check that, but if you are using like windows 7 its a good start

oh wait, before that, do you get an error code or something ?

when it crashes ?

[humble sphinx]

1. I just clicked "Install", shouldn't it be automaticly alright?
2. I dont know how to check that lmao

[humble sphinx]

a little popup with the hollow knight head logo

[simple island]

sometimes verifying the game files just after an update does stuff, idk how

can't hurt to try

so... from a quick google search
you press win + r to get the execute prompt, and then you type "winver" for windows version on it to find out what version you are using

but if you are on windows 11 no way that could be an issue

[humble sphinx]

I have Win11 yes...

[simple island]

Well in any case what you can try but I see no way it changes anything is to downpatch to 1.4.3.2

Late reply I know but follow this

?tag betas

[languid radish]

No tag betas found.

[simple island]

?tag beta

[languid radish]

No tag beta found.

[simple island]

?tag steambetas

[languid radish]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[simple island]

Do that but instead of none, select 1.4.3.2

[humble sphinx]

Still crashes

[acoustic sigil]

Make a post in #1057825333841240104 after reading #1090079233520451714

[turbid beacon]

if im hearing the word windows 11 again im going to murder somebody

that shit sucked ass

[torn needle]

I haven't really noticed anything bad about Windows 11 yet

[turbid beacon]

well when i had it for like 4 months i couldnt use my computer

so laggy

couldnt even watch youtube at a decent quality

let alone video games

anyways im back to windows 10 and it feels so good to be back

[alpine comet]

yeah win 11 was uneccersary

they made changes that were unimportant and some changes were inconvient too

[proper frost]

Loser 11

[proper frost]

Im with that guy tho

[bold matrix]

||hey, i just killed lurien, am i supposed to get descending dark now?||

[tired patio]

||how long does it usualy take to beat pure vessel||

[radiant raft]

Only if you want the damage upgrade

[radiant raft]

However long it takes to learn its attacks

[tired patio]

i finnaly did it after 1 day

[old parcel]

i dont think theres a specific order for the way you get things like i got ||ddark|| way before i went and killed ||lurien||

[radiant raft]

||then get DDark before Dive||

[old parcel]

💔

[radiant raft]

[bold matrix]

||oh, i didnt get ddark before lurien because i thought that i get kingsbrand somewhere after beating watcher knights||

[radiant raft]

||why would kingsbrand matter for DDark?||

[old parcel]

nah thats after ||hornet 2||

[thorny token]

Mfw people get insanely spoileredbefore playing the game then are like "don't I need insert late game thing before early game thing"

[bold matrix]

||i thought that you get ddark with kingsbrand||

i forgot

[radiant raft]

||wrong spell||

[bold matrix]

||DUDE MB DAMN||

[bold matrix]

||isnt kingsbrand for that shadow cloak thingy?||

[radiant raft]

Yes

[thorny token]

[bold matrix]

and where do i get it?

[thorny token]

||H2||

[radiant raft]

The ||”shadow cloak thingy”?||

[bold matrix]

||kingsbrand||

[thorny token]

^

[radiant raft]

||Kingdoms edge||

[radiant raft]

That’s who you fight for it not where you get it

[thorny token]

Same thing

[radiant raft]

No

Wrong

False

[thorny token]

I was being more specific

[radiant raft]

Expunge yourself from the HK-hep channel

[radiant raft]

Then it’s ||in the cast off shell||

Can’t get more specific then that

[thorny token]

Fair

[thorny token]

Hk-hep

[radiant raft]

Know what it’s my fault for a minor spelling mistake

I shall simply stop breathing now

[thorny token]

[old parcel]

whats the strat for ||the white palace section right before path of pain||

[idle ingot]

there's no unique strat for any particular section. it's just regular platforming all the way up

[lofty raven]

why can you fight|| white defender|| more than once

[sacred dove]

Bc ||Ogrim is sleeping, not dead||

[lofty raven]

ik but like if we defeat him in his sleep then

[sacred dove]

Idk

[proper frost]

||he's still sleeping||

[idle ingot]

where are you trying to get at even

[idle ingot]

yeah

[sacred dove]

Should I try learning to use ||NArts|| or am I just good with my trusty nail and ||spells|| sometimes

[lofty raven]

||narts||

[idle ingot]

depends on your goals

if you want to be better at the game, obviously having a wider array of options will give you better results

[sacred dove]

Beating some specific modded bosses

[idle ingot]

if you want to be better at beating modded bosses, this applies

[sacred dove]

☹️

[torn needle]

||I personally don't really use Nail Arts but if you know there's a section where you can't hit the boss, like you have to wait then you can charge it up||

[distant gale]

||is shaman stone, unbreakable strenght and spell twister a good charm combo?||

[torn needle]

||Yeah that's good, does that use all of your notches up?||

[distant gale]

yep

[torn needle]

Alright

There's ||some 3-charm notches you can replace Spell Twister with once you get 1 more||

[distant gale]

what ones?

[torn needle]

How far are you into the game?

Actually just send a spoilered pic of your ||charms||.

[torn needle]

Okay yeah you don't have it

||Quick Focus is good (slightly depends on your playstyle) but I'd recommend asking again once you have more charms.||

[distant gale]

got it ty

[viscid heart]

i find it funny how he made ||strength unbreakable|| that early

[torn needle]

Yea same, I was really confused

[slender pike]

are there any tips for ||no eyes sanctuary with (pretty much) no charms, basic nail and basic spells||

[arctic oracle]

can anyone help me ? ive been fighting ||NKG|| and i cant seem to get even close to beating it... I got all charms and upgrades and am currently using ||strength, heart, nailmasters glory, mark of pride and grimmchild|| Are there any strategies i am missing or should i change my build to something else?

[hollow prairie]

So hate to tell you this but pretty much you just have to git gud just practice practices PRACTICE until you win because you got a really good load out I’m not just trying to sound like an ass but it’s a skill issue sadly BUT just play him over and over and maybe put down the game for a few hours and come back 🫡

Good lucky mi friend

[sacred dove]

Unless you actually use ||Nailmasters Glory||, I'd suggest removing it for something like ||Grubsong||

[arctic oracle]

okie thanks guys for your advice

[sacred dove]

Also, as for tips:
-||when he summons the bats, jump and dash to avoid them and hit him (back off if needed so he doesn't teleport)||
-||4 pillars: do little step and hit him from below after the 4th pillar||
-||Dive Dash: Jump and pogo or dash away and pogo when he comes||
-||Dash uppercut: you can either dash through or pogo when he comes||

[sacred dove]

Don't wanna sound mean or anything but saying "practice" to someone who needs help on a boss isn't really helpful

[hollow prairie]

And a good tip not just for him but any boss is to play him a few time with out attacking and just focus on dodging his attacks and finding good heal spots

[outer shuttle]

I'm playing the game for the first time, anyone got any advice?

[slender pike]

try the game out first before playing

[sacred dove]

Just have fun and explore

[outer shuttle]

alright

[slender pike]

dont click on the tags as well

just play the game how you want

[hollow prairie]

Well yeah I’m but sometimes you have everything and you can’t really improve unless you just play him because honestly sometimes it’s not about the charms it just a skill issue which isn’t a bad thing but I see we’re your coming from

[sacred dove]

Well that's true but if someone have trouble beating a boss, you should first give them advice on how to beat it like how to avoid its attack

[hollow prairie]

Yeah I mean your right but most of the time unless your just built different then to apply those you need to practice so in the end it all just comes down to practice

[sacred dove]

That's true but then, you shouldn't just say "practice", you'd have to give actual advice first

[somber hill]

But u need to know where they’re struggling too

U need to get to the bottom of the problem

[livid shoal]

||What charms should I use for PoP, I have all of the charms and every notch||

[supple sluice]

||Deep focus, grubberfly’s elegy, grubsong, quick focus and whatever you want||

[livid shoal]

Okay :3

[olive mirage]

Don’t use ||grubberfly’s|| it messes up ||pogos|| sometimes and you don’t need to to have infinite heals

Nvm you will die eventually but it takes forever.

[sturdy finch]

||spells||

||nkg has a few extremely exploitable spell windows||

[hoary anvil]

how specifically does it do that? is it like a ||the projectile kills the enemy type thing||? edit: realized it was ||pop|| specific

(also, i was wondering if it had any ||iframe conflicts resulting in base nail damage being skipped -> reduced dps||)

[supple sluice]

||You don’t need grubberfly’s full health you just need the extra soul||

[sturdy finch]

||when he stands still and does the fire pillars attack, dodge them until the last one almost fires and then get out of the way and abyss shriek from below||

||the flame dash and uppercut can both be invalidated with ddark, and if you're quick you can also shriek the uppercut||

[hoary anvil]

but have you considered: ||hiveblood grubsong for infinite hp when not by a soul totem, and then quick slash to make it easier to hit things||?

[sturdy finch]

||the fireball circus/pufferfish attack happens at increments of 25% hp—75, 50, 25—so you can use that to track his health||

||the pufferfish also always ends with a stack of two fireballs, so if you get a hang of how long it lasts you can wait for that tell and sneak in a shade soul||

[shut sparrow]

||with elegy you basically have infinite hp and don't need to wait for hiveblood's regen time||

[hoary anvil]

||you're almost always next to a soul totem so you can take the literal infinite and then just only actually use focus to heal once you've taken real damage and heal some damage off with hiveblood while doing the platforming on the long sections once you have the start down||

[whole sail]

please help me with ||pure vessel||

I feel like i've tried everything and I just can't do it

[hoary anvil]

any specifics you have issues with?

[whole sail]

||the three slashes is the worst for me||

||everyone is like "down pogo" or just jump over or whatever but he does it faster than I can even jump||

[hoary anvil]

real

what i've noticed with that one is ||you won't have shade cloak active if you used it to get in after a soul daggers and it goes directly for triple slash next. there is the jump away for a little more distance and pogo tactic if you want to keep up pressure, or you could not close in after soul daggers to give more time to react/recharge shade cloak.||

(also, ||dive preemptively might work, unsure||)

[whole sail]

Hmm okay I'll give it a shot

thanks

[supple sluice]

||Double jump pogo gives much better results especially if you’re pre jumping||

[whole sail]

||I am having trouble making pre-jumping work||

||I feel like i take damage more on the part where he throws the spikes if im in the air||

[sleek plover]

||try a few runs of not doing any damage but just avoiding damage with movement and d dark, see if that helps getting it down||

[whole sail]

am i supposed to be using ||d dark?||

I dont really use it and ive beaten a few times. i cant beat consistently yet though

[sleek plover]

||you don't have to, but learning how to use d dark makes the game way easier||

[sleek plover]

||most bosses have attacks which are "random", meaning you can use d dark to get i-frames, making you bypass said randomness||

[sleek plover]

||pv has some animations in which you can't be sure what he's going to do, if you get the d dark animation through, you can bypass his damage and get some on him at the same time||

[whole sail]

||so basically for the invincibility?||

[sleek plover]

||yeah, d dark is a "clutch" for that, but it's a core part of the endgame||

[sleek plover]

||don't get me wrong you can no hit any boss without it, but learning how to use the spell is very helpful||

[whole sail]

||wait that actually helps a lot||

||especially during the pillar part||

[sleek plover]

||pillars is what i d dark always, it can be very risky otherwise||

[sleek plover]

||one more thing i'd say about pv is that the fight felt impossible for a while until it didn't for me, it's one of those bosses that clicks after a while||

[whole sail]

okay so its not just a skill issue thats good

[sleek plover]

||in a way it is, it's one of the most consistent fights in that after you "get it", it's like a flow state kinda fight, but for me it took a long time to get there it feeling impossible lol||

[hoary anvil]

(||personally i never end up doing that ... iirc the spacing is always consistent due to it targeting the player directly, but it is definitely an option, and it is close enough for that to do big damage||)

[sleek plover]

||that might just be my way of learning that particular fight but it went from "this is impossible" to "oh this is not that bad"||

[hoary anvil]

(personally i will often ||ddark both of the late addition attacks for increased pressure||)

[sleek plover]

||yeah i think i misspoke there, the fight is so fluid that saying "just d dark it" is misleading||

[whole sail]

||what am i supposed to do if he triple slashes twice in a row? am i just screwed?||

[hoary anvil]

you weren't wrong, it is a good opportunity to use it, i just personally don't end up doing it

[hoary anvil]

i thought ||shade cloak|| would always be off of cooldown in that case, but i might want to check

[whole sail]

||so do yall pogo or just shade cloak?||

[hoary anvil]

personally? ||pogo||

[rich vine]

I tend to ||pogo||

It just takes some practice to be fast enough to do so

[hoary anvil]

(the advantages being ||it does damage, and also means you can always respond the same way rather than needing to check shade cloak cooldowns||)

[sleek plover]

||when is double triple slash a problem?||

[hoary anvil]

it's never bothered me, so i don't think it is

[sleek plover]

i think if it is you're not positioning well

[hoary anvil]

hmm

[whole sail]

probably

[hoary anvil]

i'm going to go do some runs to check stuff

[sleek plover]

triple slash is probably the hardest to dodge/react to

[hoary anvil]

(agree)

[whole sail]

||i will say d dark has been helping me get farther more consistently||

[sleek plover]

||another thing with pv is that there is no free damage, each attack has a certain window to punish and if you miss it, don't greed, you'll get double hit, just wait for his next attack||

[whole sail]

just got my 4th victory (ever) 😭

[sleek plover]

||one thing i like to do with the last phase void tendril attack is, jump up, dash toward him, pogo to avoid the damage, and then d dark to get good damage on him||

[hoary anvil]

it showed up like immediately on the first attempt i did, this is the ||pogo variant||

[sleek plover]

||because the the tendril's hit box extends far enough that you can avoid the attack by pogoing where it looks like you're gonna get hit||

[sleek plover]

that's how i do it @whole sail

[whole sail]

||is that why you're supposed to pogo for triple slash? I feel like if I just try to double jump over I dont always have enough time to do it||

[inland lion]

if i kill zote in my save will grey prince zote be available in the pantheon?

[whole sail]

wait what do you mean

[supple sluice]

No

[sleek plover]

||zote is not in the pantheon only if you let him die in greenpath||

[supple sluice]

Spoilers btw

[hoary anvil]

(actually, ||they can still not be in the pantheon if you kept them alive but haven't finished their quest -> beat gpz in overworld||)

[sleek plover]

||jumping and pogoing is the way to go on pv, but it's hard to explain and hard to do, so it's kinda hard to give advice||

[hoary anvil]

wait you can ||pogo the tendrils||? didn't know that one as i was too busy ||rushing over to pogo pv themselves||

[whole sail]

ya i gotchu

[sleek plover]

||not sure if the tendrils themselves, but i always jump, dash, pogo close to pv, then d dark||

||the hitbox is close enough that you can panic dash and then pogo to avoid the damage||

[whole sail]

||i just dont want to continuously waste my time going through pantheon 4 until i can beat PV consistently||

[hoary anvil]

sucking hard when i'm trying to just not do anything and use ||shade cloak for triple slash, as part of the not doing anything involves keeping distance -> it's just more optimal to run away or jump over the triple slash at that point||

[sleek plover]

||there's a video i could link that does all that we've been talking about if you wanna see a practical example||

||yeah sometimes you just have to avoid damage, you're not always in position to do damage yourself||

[whole sail]

i've likely watched it, i've seen many of videos im just having trouble putting them into practice

but u can link it jic

[hoary anvil]

i say as i get it near immediately the next try - verification that ||against 2x triple slash that shade cloak will be back on cooldown if used to dodge it||

[sleek plover]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_j6Ziz3vQ jumping before each attack, pogoing, doing damage only when it's safe||

[whole sail]

||oh thanks, i think im just not keeping my distance enough if its causing a problem||

[whole sail]

||havent seen that one actually, thanks a lot||

thx for the tips all, i'll keep trying to put them into practice

[hoary anvil]

that would be for safe strats - i usually play aggressive as i use a ||nail/heal|| build - ||use nail to rack up damage and soul, and then heal off the mistakes with the soul gained||

[sleek plover]

||you had trouble with the spike attack, see how the video is already in air once it starts so you can shade cloak through it||

[whole sail]

||the thought of having to do another boss after this for p5 sucks||

[sleek plover]

that's why it feels so good

[whole sail]

||does health replenish before AR?||

[sleek plover]

||you get a bench after NKG and health replenishes after pv||

[hoary anvil]

dw, you get a ||full hp refill|| after it so focus on ending with ||high soul|| if anything

[whole sail]

oh thats good

[hoary anvil]

(the same applies for regular ||thk into radiance||)

[whole sail]

im shocked honestly since u ||dont get one before PV i dont think||

[stoic cedar]

||it also conserves any lifeblood u may have after the end of the pv fight so it might be worth to do radiant pv practice||

||(if u have lifeblood unlocked)||

[hoary anvil]

||you do in p5, not in p4 though||

[whole sail]

yeah

||soul tyrant|| aint hard tho

||p4 is my final percent||

[sleek plover]

||you know the failed champ "cheese"?||

[whole sail]

not sure I do?

[stoic cedar]

||pogo the armor during the stagger to reset stagger timer||

||garaunteed full heal and soul after each stagger||

[sleek plover]

||one of the last fights in p5 giving you a bunch of heals, i can tell if you want||

i mean there it is lol

[whole sail]

dang ive never heard of that

[hoary anvil]

the ||p5|| ending order is ||bench/spring (full heal + lifeblood), tyrant, markoth, gpz (save file dependent), failed champ (full heal if you abuse cheese strats), nkg, bench/spring (full heal + lifeblood), pv, (automatic full heal in cutscene), abs rad||

[whole sail]

i was wondering why there would need to one since ||failed champion is p easy, but i guess u will need the soul for future bosses||

[sleek plover]

||you have to pogo, then dream nail the head, pogo again or it resets||

[hoary anvil]

speaking of

[whole sail]

||how do you unlock lifeblood again?||

[hoary anvil]

(i usually ||upslash from the ground||)

[hoary anvil]

||8 pantheon bindings, room next to hall of gods, dream nail a thing||

[stoic cedar]

||the cheese strat is helpful if u mess up gpz very very badly. u still need to get to first stagger without dying, but the fight is free from there||

[sleek plover]

does that reset it?

[whole sail]

honestly, i dnt think i have ||gpz||

||i saved and he's in dirtmouth but he's not in the pantheons||

||i think he was supposed to be in 3||

[sleek plover]

||failed champ is not hard, true, but it's nkg afterwards so at least knowing you can get to him with full soul is worth||

[whole sail]

ya that makes sense

[stoic cedar]

||gpz is supposed to be in p3, yes||

[whole sail]

ya so i mustve missed smthn

[sleek plover]

||gpz is in p5 as well||

[hoary anvil]

yeah, any form of ||hitting the armor|| does

[whole sail]

oh wait

is it cause i havent ||fought him yet?||

[sleek plover]

||if you haven't he won't be in either (i think?)||

[hoary anvil]

||failed champ|| cheese in action - note the fact that ||shade souls were timed with the slams to triple hit as the mace has a damageable hitbox for some reason - it hit mace close, body, and mace far||

[whole sail]

thats so funny

[hoary anvil]

oh no, any form of ||hitting the head|| actually progresses

[whole sail]

||what PV is keeping me from||

[sleek plover]

nvm i'm dumb

[whole sail]

although, im sure ||pantheon 4 is most people's final percentage||

[sleek plover]

surely not?

||isn't p5 an achievement?||

[whole sail]

well, not part of ||112%||

[stoic cedar]

||percentage, not achievement||

[hoary anvil]

(also, for reference for those that don't know on it, when the ||armor makes a special clink sound when hitting it, it will never get up so you can always just spam dream nail freely before finishing it off ... armor is actually still dream nailable after finishing it off, but that starts the animation that ends the room||)

[sleek plover]

pretty sure it is on steam

[whole sail]

ya it is

but its not a percentage

thats what i meant

[sleek plover]

sorry

[whole sail]

oh nws

[sleek plover]

||is p5 not a percent? lol i'm positive it's a steam achievement||

[rich vine]

It is on steam, but doesn't count for a percent

[sleek plover]

yeah that makes sense, thank you

[whole sail]

got another victory

they're becoming more frequent at least

[rich vine]

Nice!

[whole sail]

i also am sort of starting to ||understand the pogo?||

[rich vine]

Once they become consistent you can start making runs at ||p4||

[sleek plover]

making the fight easier?

[hoary anvil]

((||percent ≠ achievement||))

[hoary anvil]

🦀

[sleek plover]

ye ye i'm just being dense

[hoary anvil]

we do need to keep a certain amount of density, otherwise we would float into the sky

[sleek plover]

we'd all be in the heavens if it were for me

[whole sail]

not yet bc im not good at it 😭

||so like, do you jump once and then pogo||

i feel like im still getting hit

[sleek plover]

||by which attack? you jump in preparation for each attack and go from there||

[hoary anvil]

worth noting, ||pogo multiple times on triple slash||

[whole sail]

||triple slash||

[sleek plover]

||for triple slash, try jumping and spamming pogo, since he slashes thrice lol||

[sleek plover]

||you'll land behind him giving you a free slash||

[sleek plover]

||you have to position well too, if you're too close to him you have shade cloak through, if you're too far you have to dash away||

[whole sail]

||see my problem is, i feel like maybe im too close or something with the spikes? when i jump early and those ones come i always just dash straight into them and take damage||

[sleek plover]

||for every attack with pv, you have to be not too close, but not too far away either||

[hoary anvil]

have any way to record a clip of you having said issue?

[sleek plover]

which sounds obvious but

replay would help a lot

[whole sail]

i got tired of waiting for my thing to load so just skip to the last like 4 seconds

[sleek plover]

||i think you're doing well but you're punishing too much||

[hoary anvil]

||- unorthodox way of dodging the soul pillars imo, but if you get it it can work

• that one soul daggers jump was very high (i usually jump for it but not that high)||
  i generally don't use ||wings|| personally 🤔

[sleek plover]

||when you're dodging the triple slash, you have to let pv finish the combo or you get hit, like you did here||

||||0:53, you dodged the combo, but you can't retaliate there, let him do another attack||

[whole sail]

||so do i not have to jump that high to dodge the other attacks?||

[whole sail]

wait ok that makes sense

[sleek plover]

||your spike dodges are really good||

||and d dark at 0:45 is great||

||never hit back like you did at 0:47, pv will always parry after that combo||

||d dark is risky like that, it registers as a hit which registers pv to parry||

[hoary anvil]

(||when looking at the ai with some mod tools i thought it was just a 20% on a proximity trigger during idle, with another 20% for jump away and 60% to do nothing... then again that's post stagger so i might be misremembering with the idle||)

[sleek plover]

||so the spikes d dark was great, but then i would shade cloak to the other side of him||

[sleek plover]

||i can't see which msg you're referencing, are we still still talking about pv?||

[hoary anvil]

(||"never hit back like you did at 0:47, pv will always parry after that combo"||)

[sleek plover]

hmm

[sleek plover]

||that's valuable, i am of course speaking from personal experience||

||thanks, that's fun to know||

[hoary anvil]

looking at it, the ai path was probably ||stagger -> hit get up -> don't teleport (50% if i am interpreting correctly) -> idle -> proximity trigger -> parry (20%)||

||parry|| can also be triggered by "Tele Choice P1" (||counter 20%, slash/dash 40% each||), but i don't see any triggers for that thing, and i'm not experienced enough with the mod tools to know if there's something external to what i'm looking at that can trigger it ((i think there is for some, because i don't see any triggers for ||jump||, and that happens if ||you spend enough time above them||, and also ||stagger controller seems separate||))

[whole sail]

a really bad victory for analysis?

[hoary anvil]

also, something worth noting, there's a brief window ||as the parry is going up|| that you can swing and it just won't hit anything

[whole sail]

Sometimes 😭

[hoary anvil]

i'm trying to get a good victory that i don't do stupid stuff in for a demo, but i keep taking damage at stupid spots and then resetting. i have one that was good until ||void tendrils, where i accidentally grabbed a wall -> pogo was converted to an away-from-wall slash -> i slid into the boss|| and then things spiraled out of control from there with stupid mistakes before stabilizing right at the end

i noticed for ||tendrils|| you stuck on the ground oddly much in my opinion (most of the time). going to ignore things that look like you just ||dashed in the wring direction||

[stoic cedar]

well the parts where u take dmg will be examples of what not to do XD

[whole sail]

||which one is tendrils sorry||

[lament socket]

Hiii - || I just beat all three stages of the fool, what's best to do next ||?

[whole sail]

applaud yourself first of all

[hoary anvil]

great point, just noticed it is bigger than discord allows in this server for non-nitro users :P

[hoary anvil]

(||final attack added - black void tendrils spray out||)

[whole sail]

i think that was unintentional

[scenic egret]

preemptively jump for every attack instead of ||shade cloaking||

[whole sail]

i think i got overwhelmed 😭

[scenic egret]

you can ||sneak in a heal on its focus attack(does need good reaction in case you get bad luck)||

[whole sail]

see thats what ive been trying to do but then i cant seem to dodge the ||thrown spikes||

[hoary anvil]

you can also ||dive|| during it to ||iframe the initial blast||

[whole sail]

||i can avoid them just fine on the ground but when im in the air i dash right into them||

[whole sail]

what percentage are u at?

[scenic egret]

||1. go further away
2. dash later||

[hoary anvil]

||- consider holding off on the dash slightly in the air (the higher ones take a little longer to reach you)

• don't go too high or you'll get caught by the ones going up||

[hoary anvil]

here's the run that did some choking at the end (after the accidental ||claw use|| into taking damage) - completely ignore the healing spot, that is not an actual healing spot that is safe even with my build

(also, was trying to go for some cheeky nail hits on ||soul pillars|| using an itemless strat to dodge, using ||dash|| can be easier)

[whole sail]

pro gamer

so youre jumping like

way later and lower than i am

[hoary anvil]

note how i barely ever used ||wings||

[scenic egret]

||parries||

i should hop on fr

[whole sail]

i feel like maybe i just have to accept i cant do it the way everyone else does

[hoary anvil]

(what in specific is being referred to? ||the triple slash "parries" i did or responding to pv's parry?||)

[scenic egret]

the ||triple slashes||

[hoary anvil]

different people play differently - this is normal. ((most people don't use a ||heal|| build - i do))

[hoary anvil]

noted 🫡

🤔 i think i'll try and demonstrate an emergency ||counter counter|| that can sometimes work if ||shade cloak is on cooldown||

[scenic egret]

hoping it actually recorded

rip it didnt

[whole sail]

it sounds rly good tho

[stoic cedar]

damn my guy did the entire fight blind, what a gamer (/jk)

[whole sail]

im still waiting for hollow knight 112% speedrun (blind)

[scenic egret]

holy shit i suck at the game(the first recording was REALLY good and now i cant even beat it lol)

[hoary anvil]

there does exist a normal blindfolded run iirc

[whole sail]

is the fact that im getting worse a sign i need to put down the game

[stoic cedar]

yea it was like 6 hrs long iirc

[scenic egret]

take a break

[scenic egret]

i swear im good ive gotten ||radhog minus the big shiny door||

[whole sail]

gotcha, goodnight fam thanks for the tips

[hoary anvil]

here's the emergency ||counter counter|| - only sometimes works but is better than nothing

[lament socket]

|| 98!! ive done grimm both times and the radiance ||

[hoary anvil]

also, a funny bug i found a while back (initially on ||abs rad||, but works almost anywhere a certain player animation gets used - notable exception being ||nkg as it has a separate freeze animation first that means you can't cyclone during it||)

i think it works by ||the cyclone starting in the air and still going on causing the game to think you're still in the air, but the inability to fall onto the ground causes the landing part of it never to play so it never goes to the grounded version and you just slide back until you hit a wall or the animation stops||.

[whole sail]

thanks!

reminding myself that there's one thing i can do that ||pure vessel|| can't - and that's get better

[hoary anvil]

(admittedly a lot of charms could be skipped as they aren't very good)

[hoary anvil]

(spoiler ||pure vessel|| btw)

((and yes, charms is expicitely stated as allowed unspoilered in the pins))

[whole sail]

my bad

[hoary anvil]

tis fine

[exotic sand]

i have a couple of questions if anyone can answer them ( my highest point of exploration is the ||city of tears ||or ||howling cliffs||, dunno which one is more advanced )

• Whats the best use for the ||simple key||, the weird glowing thing at the bottom of ||the city of tears||, or the other weird door thing kinda near the ||soul sanctum|| ( i brought one, tested it on the door at ||dirtmouth||, didnt know it was single use
• Is there any point of the|| howling cliffs|| this early in the game other than the ||charms||?
• Should i bother with ||soul sanctum|| yet?
• Why is there a ||hornet|| symbol on the ||black egg temple||, yet nothing else there ( may have mentioned in the dialogue i cant remember )
• Are there any uses for ||hollownest seals||, ||wanderers journals||, and ||the kings something|| ( forgot its name ) other than selling them

ik its alot, but im kinda lost

[hoary anvil]

?tag spoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (People, Places, and Things should be spoiler tagged!! if you are confused, please see the pins for what is allowed ).
We do this to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

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[hoary anvil]

in this case, most of the message needs to be spoilered, just put || at the front and the end of it

[exotic sand]

yeah mb

[hoary anvil]

🫡

[hoary anvil]

• there are exactly as many ||simple keys as there are simple locks||. (also, the ||one by sanctum|| doesn't use that, it uses an "||elegant key||" instead, and the ||"glowing one at the bottom of city"|| is one of the more useful ones.)
• (don't know how early you are) i mean, the area is pretty empty, it just contains ||a charm and a nail art|| early game, and later ||a thing at the grave and the starting point for a side quest (behind a breakable wall)||
• probably - it's difficult but useful
• ||it's not hornet, and it's there because you interacted with the fountain in city. it just notes that the final boss is there||
• no, other than ||collecting them yourself||

[exotic sand]

alright, thank you for this

[hoary anvil]

((with respect to ||simple keys||, the ||dirtmouth one is probably the least useful imo. most of the others are up to preference|| - i do think they were placed with specific target locations in mind though))

[lament socket]

Okay this is what I was going to do, thanks!

[pearl solar]

||im getting through all of p5 except for not, pv, and absrad i need help||

[exotic sand]

wait how do i get ||simple keys ||after using it on the ||shade summoning|| thing (|| i brought it from dirtmouth shop||

[pearl solar]

There are. Few scattered around the map

[exotic sand]

is there any i can get only having unlocked
||dirtmouth
forgotten crossroads
greenpath
fungal wastes
city of tears||
misclick

[pearl solar]

I know one you can get

||city of trars||

[stoic cedar]

||just practice them in hall of gods until u r consistent with them. is there smth specific that u r struggling on with these two bosses?||

[alpine comet]

|| theres one in city of tears and a shop in dirtmounth ||

[exotic sand]

||got the dirtmouth one, but thanks||

do the ||little trees with rings on them|| have a use?

[stoic cedar]

yes, tho u cant do anything with them at the moment

[pearl solar]

||nkg is just fast, and pv idk i just cant||

[stoic cedar]

||i mean didnt u already beat p4? so u should have quite a bit of experience with pv already right?||

[pearl solar]

Yea but it’s still difficult I barely beat it on my like 70th try

||I’ve also beat nkg but that was a while ago haven’t fought in a bit||

[vivid fog]

you forgot to spoiled ||mask shards||

[exotic sand]

any tips for|||| s||||||oul twisters? ||i hate them

[lethal flame]

You can always ||dash|| past the ones you aren't required to kill

[vast forge]

Use ||vengeful spirit to snipe them, sometimes you can double hit or hit multiple with one||

[ornate grotto]

is there any difference between ||quick cast and normal cast on kb||

[alpine comet]

Yeah || quick cast || is a bit faster

[alpine comet]

Tag || dash||

[ornate grotto]

like inbetween ||casts?||

[vast forge]

<@&283547423706447872>

a milli

[alpine comet]

its like a few frames faster on the first|| cast|| and also faster inbetween|| casts ||

[river bough]

Does everything i write here have to be with spoilers on it?(idk how to do them)

[stoic cedar]

u should spoiler anything that a new player that hasnt played the game much wouldnt know about

[river bough]

and what things do you write to make it a spoiler? ive seen something like !< but im not sure

[stoic cedar]

u can either put /spoiler before ur msg to spoiler the entire msg or put double bars around the parts that u want spoilered

u dont need to spoiler stuff like focus or nail (full list is in pins), but pretty much anything else thats in the game should be spoilered

[river bough]

||i just banished the grimm troupe, so when i didnt get to the nkg fight, is it possible to close hk without saving it and then doing the fight and still being able to banish the troupe?||

[stoic cedar]

||u cannot banish the troupe and beat nkg on the same save file. im not sure if doing alt f4 would save the game or not, but both banishment and beating nkg are achievements so ull need to have two save files for that anyways (if u care about achievements)||

[vestal nymph]

I don't know about that way but doing ||pantheon 5|| will unlock ||nkg|| if you reach him

[river bough]

||i guess ill do nkg, already banished the troupe but closing the game without saving seems to work also i should have probably gotten unbreakable charms first, since i wasnt able to get greed and the health one||

[river bough]

||well shit, i cant do nkg now FUUUUUUUUUCCK||

[torn needle]

||Don't wanna spoil anything but you will be able to do it later||

[stoic cedar]

||im assuming closing the game still saved ur game? or what happened? anyways, u will still find the nkg fight somewhere else, tho u r locked out of the ritual achievement on that save file||

[river bough]

||in the pantheons right? i think ive seen somewher that he appears in p5||

[torn needle]

||Yeah, he appears in p5 and then you unlock him in Hall of Gods||

||Sorry nevermind, he should already be in Hall of Gods||

[river bough]

||doesnt matter, i dont even know how to get to the hall of gods:P||

||where can i find zote after rescuing him from deepnest so he comes to dirtmouth?||

[dark viper]

Beat him in ||colo1||

Then he is there

[river bough]

||the first trial?||

[dark viper]

Yes

[formal pine]

I recently beat HK in 8 hours, any tips for geting below 5?

[simple island]

Well it’s mostly about having a good route

[simple island]

There are a couple of great premade ones if you want, but maybe you wanna build your own little thing
What were you doing currently ?

[formal pine]

I would|| kill FK, get VS, greenpath, squit skip, dash, quit to A.Mound, to F.Wastes, to CoT, D.Dive, C.Peaks, C.Dash, Blue Lake, Dream nail, and then do watcher, teacher, beast.||

[dark viper]

There is an amazing guide on steam by fireborn

[simple island]

Oh, in this channel you need to use spoiler tags, so make sure to edit your message with spoiler tags

Well if you are already skipping on ||wings and isma’s this is really good
I assume you are getting descending dark and shaman stone for damage ?||

[formal pine]

yeah

[dark viper]

Isnt it possible to do like sub 3h with that route

Probly way faster tbh

[simple island]

Your route seems about optimal for your level of play (regular any% is just much more brutal) I think just doing a second run in which you know better where to go and are more confident with your bosses is enough to get you below 5h easily

Make sure to get ||geo from relics obviously to buy lantern||

[dark viper]

I recommend

[simple island]

You should be able to get that before entering ||peaks (well relic, rafter relic and soul sanctum relic is more than enough)||

[simple island]

They have a more optimal hand made route

I think routing yourself is half the fun of doing such a run

[dark viper]

If u need money u can go to ||fungal from greenpath and kill mossy for 300geo||

[formal pine]

I've been trying to repent for my sins

[simple island]

What

[formal pine]

my first ever run was 121+ hours

[dark viper]

Im taking a set route and modifying it cuz i want 5h on steelsoul so its not too easy

[formal pine]

I must get under 5 to repent

[dark viper]

112 or any%?

[formal pine]

any%

[somber hill]

also pls tag this, there are so many spoilers

[dark viper]

Dont stress it, just have fun

[somber hill]

there is a lot of leeway if you 1 have a good route and 2 practice bosses enough to not die to them on ||low gear||

[somber hill]

?tag spoilers

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[formal pine]

how do I tag?

[sacred dove]

Read the Dyno msg

[formal pine]

got it

[somber hill]

perfect

[dark viper]

I was thinking abt getting few more|| relics and grabing shade soul for my 5h steelsoul|| run im routing out since yesterday

[somber hill]

i would just opt for ||ddark and qslash for when I do it, those are broken af||

thats what im thinking

[dark viper]

Imma do ||steel soul 100% 5h amd 100% 20h all in 1 save ||

[sacred dove]

Doesn't ||QSlash|| take a lot of time tho?

[dark viper]

||quick slash??||

[somber hill]

gl, i did the latter on my 1st run so i only need the ||speedrun 1||

yea cuz its op and theres so much extra time

it just makes me not die to ||thk||

well mainly ||ddark||

[dark viper]

Not stupid but its a huge detour

[somber hill]

yea ik

[dark viper]

Ik|| ddark|| is essential

[somber hill]

o maybe i could use ||catcher instead||

[somber hill]

yea

rn im struggling on ||radpv :/||

if i just beat him and then do ||p4eb|| then i can finish ||p5 twice then I can go for steel run||

[dark viper]

Im stugguling on ||abs white def and tyrant||

[somber hill]

||juggle strats ||

[dark viper]

So im taking a break from ||radhog ||and doing 2sd save

[sacred dove]

I still have 11 hours left on my ||SS run|| and 29% to get but don't know what to do for that

[dark viper]

I heard

[dark viper]

Just explore

[somber hill]

if he does the ||triple dung throw attack then it means he's gonna ball up||

[dark viper]

%come with that

[somber hill]

^

[dark viper]

I got 106 without ever caring for %

[somber hill]

and tbh if ur confident in ||beating pantheons quick then do those since u dont die ||

[dark viper]

Ye ik just gotta practise that

[somber hill]

but its a detour

[sacred dove]

P sure I won't get the 29% in the time needed

[somber hill]

yea when its a slow ball u can ||hit, dash, hit, dash and if its close to the edge just hit, hit dash...||

[dark viper]

Oh wait speedrun1 nvm

[somber hill]

anyways time to try grind more ||pv||

[dark viper]

Gl and ty

[sacred dove]

No, ||speed conpletion||

[somber hill]

u have so much time tho???

[dark viper]

Yea

Speedrun1 achivement

[somber hill]

11 hours for 29% is like an unholy amount of time

[dark viper]

Wwit nvm

Nvm

Im dumb

Not speedrun1

Dont listen.to me

[somber hill]

lol

[sacred dove]

But Idk where to get those 29%

[dark viper]

U didnt route it out?

[sacred dove]

Trying to

[dark viper]

:c

[formal pine]

I want to retry a 112% run to, my first run (the 121 hour one) was only 109%, and that was at like 160 something hours

[dark viper]

I have 110 in 58h or so

And like 30 ||radiants||

[simple island]

Just finish the first one ?

[formal pine]

dang

[sacred dove]

I'm gonna grind ||Radiant IKG|| back I think

[dark viper]

Gl

[formal pine]

I ||banished the grimm troupee before finishing all unbreakable charms||

[dark viper]

How hard is|| ikg compared to ngk||

[simple island]

Also yeah times really varies
You can have ||70 hours for 112 up to like 120 hours for 112 quite easily
Well tbh late pantheon hours can rack up really quickly
Like adding 40 hours to go from p3 to p5 isn’t uncommon ||

[formal pine]

so I can't get 112%

[simple island]

That isn’t %

[formal pine]

?

[simple island]

You can’t lock yourself out of 112

It’s impossible

[dark viper]

?

[sacred dove]

I'd say twice as hard but I'm pretty bad

[simple island]

(Well technically you can but the steps involved are ultra obscure and require skips and knowledge)

[dark viper]

I did ||rad nkg||

[dark viper]

Fr??

[formal pine]

the ||unbreakable charms|| count as one precent

[dark viper]

Ye

[simple island]

Yeah… and the ||fragile ones also count as one %||
If you had both you would get more %, but you can’t have both at the same time

So tldr, whether ||unbreakable or fragile, you get 3% from having those 3 charms||

[acoustic sky]

Are there more platforming like ||white palace||?

[simple island]

You need to get ||shade soul before vengeful spirit ||
That locks you out of ||vs||

[formal pine]

so not|| upgrading the charms you out of 112%, i did pantheons 1-3, and stil was 3% off?||

[sacred dove]

Compared to other mods, ||IKG|| is very doable and fair

[dark viper]

Not rly

[dark viper]

Damn ok

[acoustic sky]

Other games then. Thanks

[dark viper]

I see

[dark viper]

Wait u did ||path of pain||

?

[sacred dove]

Do ||P4|| it'll give you one more percent

[formal pine]

yeah, but I'll stll be 2% short?

[sacred dove]

Idk what you're missing

[dark viper]

There was a list somewhere

[acoustic sky]

Whats that? Not yet. Im still doint my ||2nd ending. After soloing the hk..i just got the half of the mask in the palace|| no worries. I technically heard of that but i just dont kmow what that is

[formal pine]

see? me and my friends were brainstorming on what it could be

[dark viper]

Its a part of|| palace hard optional platforming||

[dark viper]

Gimme a sec imma look for the list i did it with

[sacred dove]

I don't have access to your save file to check anything

[acoustic sky]

I guess i unlock it in the future

[stoic cedar]

||if u have access to white palace, then u have access to path of pain as well||

[dark viper]

Can i send a link here?

Imma send a link idc

[sacred dove]

I wanna take a guess:
You don't have ||2.4k essence||
You haven't beat ||Colo 3|| yet

[dark viper]

Here @formal pine

[formal pine]

I even spent like, 5-6 hours doing ||PoP||

[stoic cedar]

At this point, the best way to check which percentage u r missing is to look at a completion percentage list, or use a save analyzer online

[acoustic sky]

I guess ill come back. Because i didnt see that. I only did ||left right switches. Then otw to the 2nd half of the mask|| ill just do my current mission for now

[dark viper]

@formal pine

[sacred dove]

Which doesn't count on the %

[stoic cedar]

||it is behind a rather non obvious breakable wall||

[formal pine]

done both, ||got accession, and fool achievements||

[dark viper]

Somedude

Just do this

[acoustic sky]

Okay. Thats good enough. Ill bang everything after i finish. I plan to complete all achievements and % anyway

Phrasing...

[dark viper]

Phrasing

LMAO

I cant im laughting like an idiot in class help

[formal pine]

||Nkg, P4, and P5|| are what I need

[dark viper]

||P5 ||isnt even a %

[formal pine]

it's what the check list said

[dark viper]

Its an achivement tho

[void wave]

||Doesn't p4 give a percent||

[dark viper]

It does give 1

[formal pine]

but I banished the troupe so I am locked out

I think

[stoic cedar]

||banishment gives 1%||

[dark viper]

It litteraly doesnt say it anywhere

[dark viper]

No

||Banishing is 1% in stead of nkg||

U cant lock urself out

[formal pine]

oh, then something is missing

I'll have to check

also, I play on nintendo,

could that effect something?

[dark viper]

I dont think so

[formal pine]

hmm okay

idk what it could be??

[dark viper]

How can i know

[round pier]

Whats your ||%||

[formal pine]

109%

also, give me a sec I'ma check

yeah 109%

[river bough]

||how many times do i have to beat grey prince Zote to fully beat him?||

[dark viper]

||GPZ|| doesnt give %

[sacred dove]

10

[river bough]

idc

[dark viper]

Not 4?

Idk from where but i remember number 4

[sacred dove]

4 if you want ||Bretta to leave Hallownest||
10 for the ||Golden Statue||

[dark viper]

Mb my head was still in previous convo abt %

[dark viper]

So i wasnt fully wrong ok

[somber hill]

gg 112%

[river bough]

||didnt know she leaves, is there any way to make her come back?||

[sacred dove]

No

[stoic cedar]

please spoiler tag ||sisters of battle||

[sacred dove]

?tag spoilers

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[spare garnet]

HOWWW???

its very difficult

[sacred dove]

Tag your msg first

[spare garnet]

ummm how

[sacred dove]

Read the Dyno msg

[spare garnet]

ok

|| how to beat sisters of battle ||

yeah how

[ornate grotto]

any tips for beat ||markoth as ascended|| cosistently

[spare garnet]

just try not to fall

thats what i did

on the practice place

[ornate grotto]

||sisters of battle radiant is ezier than markoth normal||

||markoth is too hard||

[ornate grotto]

||just learn every attack pattern and make a counter for it
cus theres not that many and theyre all systematic so u can almost always do the same thing||

[sullen zephyr]

hi does anyone know what the best way to fark geo ? late game?

[teal oracle]

|| colo ||

[sullen zephyr]

i am sorry i dont get it can you elaborate

[teal oracle]

||colluseam of fools, its found in kingdoms edge||

[sullen zephyr]

Ah i see i have been there before. Thank you!

[teal oracle]

👍

[stoic cedar]

||nail arts are the safest option for both markoth ascended and markoth radiant. on the first phase, always be charging up a nail art, and if markoth is close enough and u have a safe opening to attack, use a great slash on markoth and immediately back off while charging the next nail art. u can also use a dash slash if u feel like u r in the correct position and u have the space to do so. dash slash is also helpful for that spinning shield attack. u should never be chasing markoth, but instead waiting for markoth to drift towards u. but u shouldnt let markoth drift too close or else ull obviously get hit by contact damage. also, u shouldnt use any spells at all until phase 2 (when the two shields spawn). once markoth transitions to phase 2, just start spamming fireballs like crazy, given that u r safe to do so. the spinning shield attack gives a huge opportunity to spam fireballs so use that to ur advantage. ||

||in first phase, u can also pogo markoth if u r in the correct position to do so, but watch out for the spinning shield, that can mess up with ur pogo and u might get hit by it||

[spare garnet]

nope not at all

[spare garnet]

ok thanks

[ornate grotto]

ok ty

[spare garnet]

but || markoth || is soo easy i dont see y its soo hard

[sullen zephyr]

failed champion is obnoxious, any tips for him?

[spare garnet]

use shadow dash for him

like the damage taking charm

[ornate grotto]

||whe he jumps close dash under him and attack
when he jumps away let him and keep ur distance cus he gonna do the shockwave attaack||

[spare garnet]

sharp shadow

[sullen zephyr]

Thank you!

[spare garnet]

also hwat is ur fav charm

[ornate grotto]

nah bro
ive beat ||sisters of battle on radiant|| but cant beat ||markoth in ascended||

[spare garnet]

what thats CRAZY

howw

[ornate grotto]

||ong sisters of battle is so free||

but like ||markoth is impossible||

[spare garnet]

i cant beat || sisters of battle but i can beat markoth ascended easily||

[formal pine]

bro, whaaaaat?|| I can EASY beat Markoth radiant! Markoth is easy!||

[teal oracle]

i cant beat either

🔥🔥🔥

[ornate grotto]

💀

[stoic cedar]

bro that crap took me two hours to beat 💀

[ornate grotto]

hes ended my last like 4 ||p5|| runs

[formal pine]

Just Git Gut

JK

I spent like three or four hours to learn the patterns

just to say I first tried ||radiant Markoth|| lol

[sacred dove]

I just realized between the time I got ||Lifeblood Core||, and the time I actually used it for the 1st time, it's been around 100hrs

[pearl citrus]

||movement abilities obtainment in order?||

[acoustic sky]

found it. thanks.

[stoic cedar]

what kinda screenshot is this lol

[acoustic sky]

jesus.omg im sorry.wth

[acoustic sky]

this is the right one.i forgot its on the clipboard

[stoic cedar]

good luck!

[spare garnet]

oooh good luck

i am really trash at ||path of pain|| i cant get past the first part

im not good at the parkour stuff

i mean platformer

also does anyone else think that after u practice ||pure vessel its really really easy to kill||

[dusky sonnet]

Everything is easy if u practice it abit

U just gotta learn the patterns and dodge

[spare garnet]

yesh

[dusky sonnet]

An hope u don't get unlucky with a combo

[stoic cedar]

||pure vessel is one of those bosses that become extremely consistent once u know how to dodge each attack.||

[spare garnet]

yeah

its my favourite boss

i love fighting him

[dusky sonnet]

Like I suffered with ||NKG|| I attempted him soo many times now I can easily do him radiant

[spare garnet]

WOW NICE

i still struggle really hard on ||NKG|| but i killed him once

have u guys finished ||p5||

im on it rn

[dusky sonnet]

Nope

[acoustic sky]

Ill prob do the ||hornet ending before pop. Im also still missing some charms. So i guess it depends on the mood which one ill go for. Also colosseum 3 is still up||

[dusky sonnet]

I am still on ||P3||

[spare garnet]

what

how many % r u on

im 111

[dusky sonnet]

110%

[stoic cedar]

||yea ive beaten p5, ive done p5 with each of the bindings individually too||

[dusky sonnet]

I still got ||Path of pain and the pantheons left||

[spare garnet]

noice

[wise nimbus]

Enjoy

[spare garnet]

i got thhe last || coloseum, p5 and path of pain||

[gloomy hollow]

Yes very recently

I also beat a bunch of bosses ||radiant||

[river bough]

||chat the best thing happened to me, i was in the last room of path of pain and then my game crashed. Lovely!||

Also holy shit is that the even number 118

[gloomy hollow]

Yes

Best number on earth

[gloomy hollow]

RIP

[river bough]

i think 3 is the funniest number imaginable
also i prefer 12(also when we divide 118 by 10 and round up to the nearest whole number we get 12)

[spare garnet]

wow

guys i need really good tips on ||sisters of battle||

im tryna beat ||p5||

[alpine comet]

use || descending dark alot|| and try to stay in the centre of arena

[spare garnet]

ok

thank u

[gloomy hollow]

Fair, acceptable

[spare garnet]

y u guys doin math

[gloomy hollow]

Yeah, why are you dying to video game bosses? Just use ||descending dark||

[alpine comet]

[river bough]

||through where the hell do i get to the grub thats top right in the hive?(cant send image)||

[arctic oracle]

||there is a secret entrance :)||

[river bough]

WHAAAAT?!
NO WAY THERES A SECRET ENTRANCE WHEN ITS A SECRET
AND THAT I NEED HELP SO I WENT TO A CHANNEL CALLED HOLLOW KNIGHT HELP

[arctic oracle]

|| you should look outside of the hive||

|| you cant get the grub from the inside||

[river bough]

||yea i laready got him, was the one you need to get with c dashing clsoe to the roof and then wall jump to it if yk what ik||

just one more ||grub|| to find!!!

thankfully i also got the ||collectors|| map

[arctic oracle]

||I think the one you're trying to find is accessed by a secret "backdoor" located in kingdoms edge and not in the hive||

[river bough]

yes i know about which youre talknig about, i already got that one

[arctic oracle]

where the hell is the ||grub|| ur missing then

oh top right

yea this one took me a while to find

i think its a ||cdash into monarch wings|| shenanigan to get this one

unsure if that is the intended way tho

[restive sierra]

[harsh cairn]

Yeah I think that’s the intended way

Or maybe with pogo idk

I did it the same way you did

[burnt grove]

dude I almost beat ||pantheon 3|| but the massive|| jellyfish|| destroyed me 😭

[sullen zephyr]

is there a definitive best build in the game ?

[acoustic sky]

Ahhhh. Wtf. I dont like the ||sealed siblings ending||

[torpid maple]

How do you spoiler things?

[acoustic sky]

|| before and after

[torpid maple]

Ok

[torpid maple]

I don't really know but I like to use ||Unbreakable strength, quick slash, shaman stone, grubsong and nail masters glory||

[acoustic sky]

Ill just explore everything again. I legit dont know where to go now. Missing some charms.

[harsh cairn]

you want some pointers on where to go and what to do ?

[torn needle]

||It depends on if you want a nail or spell build but most people use Shaman Stone, Quick Slash, Unbreakable Strength, Spell Twister or Unbreakable Heart||

||I personally replace Shaman Stone with Mark of Pride but I'm just a huge MoP enjoyer||

[balmy bear]

||If I exit in the middle of PoP, where do I spawn when I enter the game again?||

[harsh cairn]

on your ||last bench||

oops

[balmy bear]

||Damn it, I'm on the last section but I don't have enough time to complete it||

[harsh cairn]

so you will exit ||PoP and will have to start from the beginning again ||

[shut sparrow]

you did open a shortcut somewhere in the middle so you will be able to skip a part

[torn needle]

^

||And after the first time, at least for me, it was a lot easier||

[lone delta]

Can you help, please?

When I try to save and quit, I click yes and it automatically moves my marker to no

[neat karma]

What button are you using

[sacred dove]

The game autosaves tho?

[lone delta]

I'm on PC, I click it with my mouse cursor

[lone delta]

I am not sure, this bug happened three times to me and the progress was never saved

||Probably I will have to alt + f4 and lose progress, but I just beat the collector and it is kind of stupid to beat him again||

[jade sedge]

Please add spoiler tags to your message

[lone delta]

ok

[hoary anvil]

ah yes, computer menu automatic mouse placement (in the center of the screen) ... get annoying

[lone delta]

nvm it didn't save

[hoary anvil]

have you tried navigating the menus with the arrow/movement keys?

[lone delta]

Yes, didn't work

[hoary anvil]

(does that on bench, proper save and quit, or specific other instances)

[lone delta]

Tried everything I thought of, nothing worked

[restive sierra]

You guys should play Hollow Knight, it's so good

[turbid beacon]

i think when you bench your progress is saved

[turbid beacon]

no shit sherlock this is a hollow knight discord

[restive sierra]

Silksong making me insane