hk-help

[cold pine]

Dr nightmare

[tawny sapphire]

Hello

[cold pine]

What this name

Srry for my bad english

[tawny sapphire]

[cold pine]

[somber hill]

🇵🇰

[zenith basin]

its not necessary for the game

so i went for a while without it

[somber hill]

necessary for your sanity in some parts

[tawny sapphire]

Like ||WP||

That’s only area where it’s necessary

[somber hill]

for your sanity

[cold pine]

🟰🇵🇰

[somber hill]

i dont have any so means nutin to me

[tawny sapphire]

Real

[somber hill]

🇵🇰 >

[cold pine]

Explain

[tawny sapphire]

🇵🇰 is better than

[somber hill]

proof by contradiction

[cold pine]

WHYYYY

[tawny sapphire]

Where is it

I want proof

[cold pine]

Explain :

[somber hill]

assume > 🇵🇰
then ^2 > 🇵🇰^2
now ^2 - 🇵🇰 ^2 > 0
which is not true, hence by proof by contradiction 🇵🇰 >

[cold pine]

@tawny sapphire @tawny sapphire @tawny sapphire @tawny sapphire @tawny sapphire @tawny sapphire

[cold pine]

"which is not true" why

[somber hill]

wdym why

it just is smaller than 0

how do u not know

[forest pewter]

nah it's absolutely necessary

[cold pine]

= 4 🇵🇰 = 3
Assume 4≥3
Then 16≥9
Now 16-9≥0
Which is true

[forest pewter]

Bullshit

Y'all don no meth

[tawny sapphire]

Here is the thing, how do you get b from a^2-b^2

[cold pine]

Do it

[somber hill]

mb
assume > 🇵🇰
then ^2 > 🇵🇰^2
now - ^2 > - 🇵🇰 ^2
now 🇵🇰 ^2- ^2 >0
which isn't true since ^2 > 🇵🇰^2 so it's negative
which is not true, hence by proof by contradiction 🇵🇰 >

wtf do u mean 'u need nitro' discord

[cold pine]

U didn't use negative in first exemple

[somber hill]

i forgor mb

[cold pine]

Ik about negative, in this exemple yes ur right

[tawny sapphire]

Third statement is wrong

[forest pewter]

Vari vari ezy
1 is greater dan -1
1 sqaured isnt greater than -1 squaree

[somber hill]

exactly ||not mathematically||

[forest pewter]

[somber hill]

'ym' is wrong

[tawny sapphire]

Given
x>y
-x<-y

[somber hill]

assume > 🇵🇰
then ^2 > 🇵🇰^2
now - ^2 < - 🇵🇰 ^2
now 🇵🇰 ^2+ ^2 <0
which isn't true since ^2 + 🇵🇰^2 is positive
which is not true, hence by proof by contradiction 🇵🇰 >
wtf do u mean 'u need nitro' discord

wtf discord

???

[zenith basin]

any tips for ||watcher knights||

[somber hill]

tgagging?

gj what do u die to

ur thing loaded slower smh

u cant look from ur perspective only

we probably both saw it was quicker on our side

[zenith basin]

mostly just ||their overlapping attacks, i dont work well with bosses that have multiple segments||
even with ||shade cloak, my brain shuts down when one rolls and the other jumps||

[somber hill]

if u just use ||dive every time theres 2 rolling at same time ull not get hit||

[zenith basin]

theyre fast

[somber hill]

and u can also just absolutely destroy them before enough spawn in to overwhelm

[zenith basin]

elaborate

[somber hill]

||u can dnail them in their shell and then just spell them to death||

[zenith basin]

oh

i didnt know you can ||dnail them in their shell ||

[somber hill]

mmm

[cold pine]

[merry apex]

||while they're dormant?||

[somber hill]

yea

and also in their animation

[merry apex]

I just tried, only worked for the ones that were already awaken

And the animation

[forest pewter]

|| focus on one knight at a time
And abuse shade cloack and d dark ||

|| heal only when you think you can ||

[cold pine]

I think they won't Attack if they are not in screen

He can heal

[forest pewter]

Yeah it gives time but then they are guaranteed to use thier rolling attack

Oh wait I forgot the most important tip

[cold pine]

|| Shade cloak d dive double jump ||

[cold pine]

Don't die ?

[forest pewter]

Stay close to them. || it makes them less likely to roll towards you ||

[forest pewter]

[cold pine]

🇵🇰

[forest pewter]

True but sometimes they can catch you Offguard

[merry apex]

Used to hate that fight until I figured it out

[forest pewter]

I never hated it
I was very overleveled every time i fought them.

Excluding speedrun

[cold pine]

Even Speedrun wasn't hard

||I love watcher knights more than grubs||

[merry apex]

They're fun to fight once I learned how

[forest pewter]

I tried no upgrade run the first time i did a speedrun
Then I quit on || watcher knights ||

[forest pewter]

Not very fun if u try them with no upgrades

I couldn't even kill one of them

[cold pine]

In my 5hours Speedrun achievement i got ||wings and upgraded my nail ||

( Didn't listen to u srry )

[forest pewter]

It's okay
I just said it's time waste
But if u just think u can't do it without it then it's no problem

[cold pine]

I did it in 2h19min , ||hk|| was hard

[somber hill]

just ||shaman stone + dive||

[forest pewter]

I did 3 h 13 bc I have a skill issue
But also because|| watcher knights took me way longer because I forgot to equip spell twister ||

[simple island]

||Any% gear watcher knights|| are actually a lot of fun
But undoubtedly they have a high skill floor to not just get demolished

[cold pine]

||I never fought him without Shade cloak||

[somber hill]

wha

[forest pewter]

Not even on || speedrun || ??

[somber hill]

yea i'd say their floor is pretty high in terms of altitude in ||city of tears||

[forest pewter]

?

[cold pine]

My first time was on Speedrun so it was little bit harder

[somber hill]

speedrun.com

[simple island]

||Thk|| is surprisingly hard with low gear
It’s triple slash especially is bonkers

[somber hill]

wtf ||triple slash upgrade|| in this game 🫨

[cold pine]

Is there any guide ( checklist not a video) for 100% less than 20h ?

[forest pewter]

Yeah he's really hard I thought I wouldnt struggle at him at all because I can beat || pv || but I was so wrong

[somber hill]

just pick the 12% u dont wanna do and not do it

[simple island]

You don’t need one, really it’s super easy

Most people have around 8 hours to spare

[somber hill]

like its just do it how u wanna do it

[somber hill]

me when i do it be liek

[cold pine]

Tbh ik it's easy, i just prefer a checklist

[forest pewter]

Just skip all the hard stuff that count as the remaining 12% it's very easy

[somber hill]

checklist for 112% then

[cold pine]

🇵🇰

[simple island]

Well if you want a checklist of all % there are some

[cold pine]

What do u recommende to remove ( 12% )

[forest pewter]

Just skip || colo 3 , void heart , nkg and p3 p4 ||

[simple island]

https://hollowknightchecklist.com/

[somber hill]

depends on ur playstyle tbh

[cold pine]

Those are super easy

[somber hill]

probably ||colo 3||

[simple island]

Mainly ||all grubs, colo 3, last mask shard, p3,4, 2400 essence, end of Grimm quest ||

[somber hill]

but tbh u can just ||banish right||?

[simple island]

||Void heart|| isn’t % funnily enough

[forest pewter]

Lol ur right but ||Void heart is not worth it for how long it takes to get to it ||

[somber hill]

it is but doesnt 'add' %

[simple island]

That is actually pretty fast yeah

[cold pine]

||2400 essence i'll get it by beat dream bosses, no ?||

[forest pewter]

What??

[somber hill]

yea but its slower than other %'s

[acoustic sigil]

I wouldn't even get 1800, lots of effort

[simple island]

Yeah but like, going all the way to ||soul tyrant|| is slow

[somber hill]

mmmrmrm

[simple island]

Every ||dream warrior is a %||

[cold pine]

Ok i won't do it , but i need to fight them to get %

[forest pewter]

It's free on second playthrough wym effort?

[simple island]

And those alone go for like 1500 or something

[somber hill]

but u dont need to do bosses

[acoustic sigil]

||But every dream boss is annoying||

[cold pine]

Nuh uh

[cold pine]

[acoustic sigil]

1100 iirc

[simple island]

||Failed champ is free with shriek||

[somber hill]

||are d bosses % too?||

oh they are

[acoustic sigil]

No

[somber hill]

oh nvm

[cold pine]

||Maybe s tyrant is annoying||

[forest pewter]

@cold pine honestl just skip|| something like colo 3 || and some hard charms to get like || hive blood ||

[cold pine]

||Maybe i'll get ||hivecharm|| , hive knight+ Mask ||

[simple island]

||X 100, EH 100, G 100, G’ 200, Marmu 150, NE 150 (?), mark 250 (???)||
Oh yeah 1100

[acoustic sigil]

||I suck at fc, and yes you can do lk + st but like I said, effort||

[forest pewter]

Oh right u need ||mask || I forgot

[simple island]

||Shriek though… have you seen my failed champ|| vid ?

[acoustic sigil]

No

I'm not subscribed to you iirc

[cold pine]

HOW DARE U

[acoustic sigil]

He's not subbed to me either so

[simple island]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHpTaNnOPQ||

[cold pine]

Oh , @simple island ur fault

[forest pewter]

If u have || p5 || beaten then u can probably even get 112% in 20 hours honestly

It's literally free expect || colo 3 and last two pantheon ||

@cold pine u want me to make a list for you or u think. U can do it?.

[acoustic sigil]

I'm going to be honest, does not look free

[cold pine]

||When u nail failed champion, he won't stand UP ?||

||To dnail him more ?||

[simple island]

I had ||nail 0 and no extra vessels and no spell twister||

[forest pewter]

Honestly u should ||d nail him twice then hit him till he starts spaming his hammer then he will stagger in two spells and then u repeat ||

Free boss honestly

[simple island]

Yeah, you hit the shell to ||max out your hp and soul||, cuz if you hit the head he may stand back up

[acoustic sigil]

Fair

But still, getting 1800 is effort

[forest pewter]

Imagine ||healing || when u can chesse him instead with spells

[simple island]

You can do both lol, it’s the point

You can get infinite soul

[forest pewter]

What? How? I tried pogoing his armour it didn't work

[acoustic sigil]

||Dream nail||

[main crane]

good morning, i have a question

[jade sedge]

Please add spoiler tags to your messages

[simple island]

Do exactly like in the video, maybe you waited too long after a hit

There is no time or order to do things in this game
If you found stuff, it means that you were meant to find them

If you haven’t found ||dreamnail, it’s fine, you will find it eventually
And if you found it, I suppose few people find it that fast, but it can happen||

And yes, please edit your message with spoiler tags

?tag spoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (People, Places, and Things should be spoiler tagged!! if you are confused, please see the pins for what is allowed ).
We do this to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

[cold pine]

When i nail the Shield hé will take more time to stand back?

[simple island]

He will take like a second after you hit him

So you need to alternate

A hit, ||two heals, a hit, two dreamnails||…

[cold pine]

||Nail dnail nail dnail ?||

[simple island]

Yeah

[vivid fog]

tag ||xero|| and ||dream sting|| next time. i'll delete your message for now

[cold pine]

So , attacking the shield won't increase the time

[simple island]

You can’t hit them a million time to make the time super high

[cold pine]

ik

[vivid fog]

also is ||dream sting|| need to be spoiled?

[cold pine]

No

[vivid fog]

oh okay

[simple island]

But hitting the armour and not the head does reset

[simple island]

I would say yes, ||sting is probably a bad translation of nail||

[cold pine]

||Hitting the armour will increase time to dnail more and more ?||

[simple island]

It’s just ||dreamnail|| but badly written

[simple island]

Like in the video yeah

(Also spoilers)

[cold pine]

That's what i wanted to know

[vivid fog]

ah

i'ma delete that message too

silly me

[simple island]

:cathug:

[vivid fog]

just realize i forgot to tag ||xero|| while deleting their message

[simple island]

You can’t know everything

[vivid fog]

[vivid fog]

hehe :3

[cold pine]

Wait , mods aren't perfect After all ??

[rough spruce]

When doing || Grimm troupe Fragile charm side quest ||

Does getting the || Unbreakable || is necessary to get the || 112% completion? ||

or I can get it || 112% || without it

[undone flower]

the latter

[rough spruce]

nice

Was wondering because I was on || steel run || and I doubt || unbreakable || would be useful for me

[forest pewter]

It's absolutely Unnecessary unless you want to beat || colo 3 ||

[tawny sapphire]

it's ||steel soul||

[forest pewter]

[main crane]

Sorry

[main crane]

Sorry

[undone flower]

Don’t worry, mistakes happen, just learn from it and move on

[main crane]

right

[neat karma]

Worry about it, mistakes DONT happen, never learn from it and stay there 🦹

🙀

[zenith basin]

i read this in sisyphus' voice

[neat karma]

🤯

[forest pewter]

U will most likely forget about this once u gain the ability to reach there

[acoustic sigil]

Please delete the image as it is not spoiler tagged

[cosmic bear]

Aww

[cosmic bear]

My bad

[forest pewter]

It's better to move on

[cosmic bear]

One day I'll come back (maybe)

[shut otter]

Hi,
Actually, I don't understand how to beat ||Nightmare King Grimm||
Does anyone have tips to help me plz ?

[forest pewter]

Do you know how to dodge his moves or no?

[shadow venture]

||He has not that many moves, he has an attack where he will teleport into the air and then go diagonal down and straight at you, just wait till he does the straight at you and pogo on him. He has another attack which is like a dash and then upwards dash where he shoots fire after, for this just pogo and then hit him once as he goes up, you can just shade dodge the fire. His fire you just want to tap until he uses like 2-3 and then you can hit him a decent bit, the bats you want to jump over the first one and then dash the second lower one, for his fireball move just continuously dodge there isnt much to that one.|| There isnt much else you can do other than just practice the fight though

[tawny sapphire]

pogo is bad for ||dive dash||

[shadow venture]

how so

||not on the first part of it but the second part that is on the ground, its the way i found most consistent to dodge it and get some damage in||

[winged trench]

am i cooked?

[tawny sapphire]

is highly risky since his hitbox moves up slightly when transitioning from the ||dive|| to the ||dash||

[tawny sapphire]

maybe

[winged trench]

ive never fought her before

[shadow venture]

||Yeah i more so meant you just stay away when he does the dive, and then you just treat the dash like a normal dash attack any other boss does and just pogo in like the middle of the attack||

[tawny sapphire]

oh like that

[winged trench]

i didnt even last 5 seconds bro

[tawny sapphire]

it's fine, you'll get good

[acoustic sigil]

There is a bench pretty close btw

[winged trench]

[winged trench]

i didnt see it sadly

[acoustic sigil]

Might be worth to look for that before continuing the fight to save you some time

[winged trench]

forgot to spoil

[tawny sapphire]

just below the room before ||hornet||

[winged trench]

alr

[tawny sapphire]

if you struggle too much on ||Hornet|| you can ask here for tips

[acoustic sigil]

Don't click this exq ||probably better to just say hornet, they dont know there is anytbing other than Protector||

[tawny sapphire]

mb, too used to saying the other name

[winged trench]

whos protector

[jade sedge]

Did you read the "dont click this exq" part?

[jade sluice]

"you wont last 5 seconds playing this game"

[tawny sapphire]

just another name for ||hornet||

[safe hedge]

||a title for hornet used in a couple places||

[winged trench]

LMAOOO

[winged trench]

I HAD TO KNOWWW

[tawny sapphire]

[simple island]

anyway

[hoary forge]

Guys I f did the ||P4|| finally!

Now I don’t have anything more left to do feels nice

[hollow rivet]

Yoo who's this and how do I get to them?

[hoary forge]

||Marmu in Queens garden|| I think

[verbal token]

Spoiler tag plz

[acoustic sigil]

It is

[hollow rivet]

I did

🤦‍♂️

And y'all stop with this pirate shit I have hollow knight bought on my steam since 2020 my potato PC won't even handle that game 🤓

[bright sorrel]

theres mods to help with lag as well as general things u can due to the pc to help fix it too

[hoary forge]

Please tell me you don’t play it by touch at least?

[hollow rivet]

I'm broke 😭

[hollow rivet]

That pc is at least 15 years older than me, barely can run google etc. it's not worth trying. And my point is that i don't play hk that often, but thanks for your suggestion

[hoary forge]

Try to get any cheap ass controller if you can it will really elevate the experience

[hollow rivet]

I do but somehow touchscreen is way easier

like two fingers are enough to kill Grimm with no effort at all

[hoary forge]

Really? I haven’t tried myself so it may be idk

[hollow rivet]

That 1:10 on my nickname stands for me killing|| radiance|| in 1:10

In touchsceen..

[hoary forge]

Cool man

[hollow rivet]

Thanks broo you made my day

[hoary forge]

Where is ||Pantheon 5||? I can’t find it lol

[sour yoke]

Fool...

[hoary forge]

Nope I am not doing ||P5||, way above me

[acoustic sigil]

||Go up from p4||

[hoary forge]

Yep found it thx!

[sour yoke]

Theres a ||hot spring, then a tricky jump||

Ah

[hoary forge]

Yup got it

But seriously I won’t even wanna try it, it’s so hard

[acoustic sigil]

You won't know how hard it is until you try

[hoary forge]

Maybe I will give couple of tries but I have already seen ||p5|| runs and it seems impossible for me

[acoustic sigil]

But you've beaten ||p4||, so clearly you aren't bad at the game either

[simple island]

Tbh, I felt the same
And I literally got up to… ||nkg|| in the first attempt I think
To be fair I had held on it for a while, doing all other achievs and modded stuff before giving it one attempt

It is really fucking hard clearly

[acoustic sigil]

God gamer

||I don't think I ever got that far, winged nosk too hard||

[hoary forge]

I mean I can sure defeat every boss in the game but not really sure if I can ||defeat them all in one go without dying||

[hoary forge]

I am also planning on getting ||Steel Soul|| achievements first

Those seem doable

[simple island]

Good idea

[acoustic sigil]

@ aze ||This was my ss 100% run btw, I knew I didn't get 1800 essence||

[hoary forge]

Wait you can get ||100%|| without even doing ||White palace and true ending||?

[acoustic sigil]

Yes because of the added 'dlc'

Or really just big updates

[hoary forge]

Oh right dlc got it

[acoustic sigil]

||True ending isn't a % and wp works towards 1% for kingsoul||

[hoary forge]

Yeah I found it really shocking that ||even finishing the game|| doesn’t give you %

[shadow venture]

Wait you didnt even have all the charms

[acoustic sigil]

No that's like, a lot of work

[shadow venture]

could you get 88% and then do all the ||pantheons|| or sum

[acoustic sigil]

||Pantheons is only 4%||

[shadow venture]

isnt it 12?

i swear i was on 100 and then did them and got to 112

[acoustic sigil]

It is not

||1% for each pantheon, 5 doesn't give a %||

[shadow venture]

oh fr

what is the other 8% over 100 then

[acoustic sigil]

||Hive knight, 4 charms, godtuner, grimm and nkg||

[simple island]

Huh
I guess ||pantheons are good quick %
I’m pretty sure I did 0 pantheons in that run
It was bundled with steel soul anyway iirc||

[dull zephyr]

how do i get past this? ive been stuck in other areas bc of this thing too

[bright sorrel]

u need an ability which u cant get for a while

[zenith basin]

you need an item from much later

[wet inlet]

||Yo, anyone have tips for charm load outs for P5?||

[simple island]

for a late game charm build ||shaman/quick slash/strength is a base line then you can add stuff like heart/spell twister/any combination of grubsong, nmg, dream wielder, sbody to finish; you can also replace one of the first 3 charm with MoP||

[normal spoke]

Can i bind downward slash to a mouse button?

[jade sedge]

||You cant bind specific directional slashes, all nail slashes are on the same button||

[modest elm]

||here's a guide on """"Meta”””” Charm Build variants for pantheons/boss fights in general. Note that individual bosses have their own strengths and weaknesses, especially regarding spells and nail length.

At minimum, always use:
Quickslash + fragile/unb strength if you have it

Options for remaining notches:
MoP, longnail, Shaman stone,
Quickfocus, spell twister.

One notch charms to maybe use if you know how/want to:
Nail masters glory, Steady body,
maybe dreamweilder||

Pick ||charms|| based on your personal preference and general skill level. There’s no point in running ||shaman because it’s strong (it is very good) when you don’t like to use spells aggressively.||

[acoustic sigil]

||Grubsong slander||

[modest elm]

For|| pantheons?|| I'd die on that hill ye

[desert pawn]

||MoP, long nail, quick focus, and steady body are all crutches||

[modest elm]

||QF can be used to sequence break bosses by healing in places you aren't supposed to in the first place, rather than make it easier to heal where you already could.

MoP and longnail are both ways to enable new combos against bosses, but since HK is a game about positioning and arena control - being able to engage and disengage from farther distances works extremely well.||

as for ||steady body:||
|| <#hk-discussion message>

<#hk-discussion message> ||

get good

[simple island]

||Mop|| im unsure honestly

[modest elm]

overkill imo

[simple island]

Like… it does not matter for most bosses

[bright sorrel]

here, take this

[modest elm]

it doesn't matter for any of them.|| You can beat any boss charmless||

[simple island]

Sure it does for ||white defender, mawlek, watcher knights and a few others
But for most of them, it doesn’t do much
Like is being just a tad further away from sheo make you any safer ?||

[simple island]

Please, I’m trying to get a better understanding, don’t act like this

[bright sorrel]

||mark of pride|| is good because it adds more leniency for some stuff which makes fights much easier

for example ||pogoing grimms dive dash||

[simple island]

I’ve used it for that exact purpose yeah

[modest elm]

not trying to be funny. but|| the charm "not mattering" isn't true in any other way.||

||getting in range to hit/dash and being far enough away to escape without overcommiting is like 50% of every boss||

[simple island]

But I’ve later realised that I was just too scared of the ||lingering fire trail, and now my strat is to hover around in place, wait for them to come all the way to me, pogo, then dash, I see most people bundling the dash and pogo together which is why they tend to miss||

[bright sorrel]

theres a reason ||r5 runs usually take it over all other options when overcharming||

generally it just lets u play safer

[modest elm]

"safer" in HK also means "more aggressive"

you can do more with less time/space, etc

[inland shadow]

"safer" in HK means "as aggressive but in a way that's easier to avoid hits" tbh

[simple island]

I guess I’m just stubborn in the idea that "new" players shouldn’t use it cuz they will use it in places where it doesn’t help much (like all those people using it on ||radiance in which it is very useless) and get used to the range increase||

[modest elm]

Y||ou want to spend as little time as possible evading and approaching bosses. nail length is your engagment zone||

[violet ocean]

||i wouldn't say MoP is useless in radiance tbh||

[modest elm]

||Shaman changes the sizes of spells and makes it easier to hit multi hits. Should new players avoid shaman for this reason.||

[bright sorrel]

it is

[modest elm]

||Mop is useless cause longnail does everything you'd want for radiance. ||

[shut sparrow]

||shaman|| isn't tagged

[inland shadow]

wait why do people even use ||nail length|| on ||radiance||?

[bright sorrel]

because theyre silly

[modest elm]

jumping up to ||hit her without wanting to stay off the ground||

||or standing on a plat and needing a little bit more reach to get a qs+/ddark combo||

very good

[inland shadow]

ah i see

[modest elm]

||steady body better though||

[violet ocean]

without a doubt

[simple island]

It doesn’t make them easier
It allows them
Like yes you can double hit ||lost kin without it, rather easily, but you can all the time with shaman
you get more opportunities to get those doubles
It’s not just a case of not knowing how to use it

Also that only applies to one spell||

[modest elm]

Gotcha

[inland shadow]

||steady body|| is objectively one of the best charms so of course

[bright sorrel]

u can only do that in ||platform phase for 1 platform and it really does nothing||

[modest elm]

||nail length makes some things easier, but the key is that it ALLOWS new openings||

[bright sorrel]

alows

[modest elm]

you just havent seen those yet, i imagine

[simple island]

On few bosses

[modest elm]

no no, gotcha as in got you

[simple island]

Like ||watchers, white defender, mawlek|| mainly

Which I had already mentioned earlier

[modest elm]

its|| for every boss you would disengage from.||

[thorny token]

What's the debate lemme sort it

[simple island]

Here

[inland shadow]

how good ||MoP|| is

[modest elm]

||nail length functionally changes dash distance||

[thorny token]

Omg it's the ||h2 wall dude||

[thorny token]

I don't like it

[simple island]

I need to take a look at the whole boss roaster and see which work and which don’t do I ?

I’ll take a look at the whole roaster

[inland shadow]

personally i love it but i agree that it's one of the most overrated ||charms|| in the game

[modest elm]

||if the boss teleports frequently or isnt evasive then probably nah.||

[thorny token]

It's a good charm for casual players early game who don't like ||spells||, but optimisation wise it is outshined by ||spell charms like shaman and twister||

[modest elm]

either way, its #hk-help

why have players use the minimal timings for evasion against like. ||NKG||

[thorny token]

Why are you roasting bosses

[inland shadow]

Personally I think of it as a great thing to throw on to ||overcharm|| in ||radiants||

[modest elm]

Made that ||pretty clear in the charm wall||

[modest elm]

.

[thorny token]

||me when soul eater||

[inland shadow]

That is generally the better option, but for some ||radiants|| ||MoP|| is actually viable

[simple island]

so looking at the list
||oro and mato is very arguable since they leave after attacking anyway, so you can't engage again, collector, god tamer, grimm, hive knight, hornet, sob, nosket, oblobbles is a strech again, like yeah you do engage and dissengage, but you always go way far between the two, cuz you can't stay near, and also they are 100% a fight in which you want shamans, sheo idk I don't know the fight enough, rad, soul tyrant, soul warrior, traitor lord, uumuu, vfk, all warriors dream expect markoth, CG2, failed champ, technically again yeah ig mop helps, but you also 3 shot the dude with shaman and shriek so... ehh, lost kin, nkg, pv
all of those, don't really benefit from mop (forgetting the shitty bosses cuz no one cares) 23 and 4 maybe
white defender, GPZ (arguably, not sure, fiablo would know better), markoth, wk, sly, mawlek that said do benefit from it, sometimes greatly, 6
6 bosses basically get new opportunities that you couldn't get before by playing better

I think the one argument to be made for mop in p5 is to use it in specific segments, especially the before to last one (with markoth, gpz and nkg), but even here I would actually replace quick slash and not shaman as many of the bosses of that segment don't benefit too much from quick slash (tyrant, markoth, nkg don't, failed champ and gpz do)

tldr of all this shit
it is at the end of the day preference

yes if you are stubborn, use focus cast, and don't like to use spells, then don't use shaman, but recommending mop for general use is to me a mistake, quick focus could honestly be a better pick. my main gripe being that it does hinder people from getting better at they will use less spells and play less optimally, and getting off mop after using it too much is very hard as it embeds itself into muscle memory

ok im closing in on the character limit, imma go back to playing ace attorney||

cough cough

[bright sorrel]

[acoustic sigil]

||uumuu??||

[violet ocean]

you mean ||uumuu? hit it with an explosive core from one of the minions it spawns||

[acoustic sigil]

Medusa is a legend which turns you into stone when looking at her

[violet ocean]

gets easier with practice

[acoustic sigil]

How is that ||uumuu||

[violet ocean]

||the technical name for most jellyfish is medusa.||

[thin plover]

wow, wall in hk-help

you dont see that every day

[acoustic sigil]

Do you not

They are pretty common I feel

Just send a hk-disc wall if you feel like there are not enough

||Uumuu|| wall by AppleEgg101#6467
||Wall for Uumuu:
Lightning Chase: Uumuu tracks the Knight with bursts of lightning. These bursts appear quickly and each last for two seconds. The attack lasts a total of six seconds, and can be dodged by dashing and double jumping around the arena.
Lightning Flash: Uumuu creates random bursts of lightning around the arena. These bursts persist for a second and cover most of the arena, but there will always be a safe space. The attack lasts 2.5 seconds.
Float: After each attack, Uumuu will slowly float toward the Knight for 3 seconds.

In Godhome, Quirrell is not at the Knight’s side to break Uumuu’s membrane. Uumuu balances this out with a new attack:

Summon Ooma: Uumuu screeches, summoning two Oomas (long jellyfish that have exploding cores) that float up to the top of the screen. While their cores are unexposed, they pass through platforms. Their explosive cores can be directed to hit Uumuu, dealing 100 damage while also breaking its membrane for 5 seconds. There are multiple methods of doing this:
-Having the Ooma be right in between Uumuu and the Knight and shooting it into Uumuu.
-Using a ranged spell to destroy the Ooma from afar. This is useful when both the Ooma and Uumuu are far away and lined up.
-This method is the hardest. Destroying the Ooma’s membrane while it is away from Uumuu, and guiding it toward Uumuu by moving around, as the cores home in on the Knight.
Beware as the cores do double damage on impact.

Charms:
Uumuu can be Dream Nailed for Soul, but it can be hard to avoid it while Dream Nailing. Using the Dream Wielder charm makes this easier. Soul generating charms such as Soul Catcher/Eater and Grubsong are helpful in this fight as it is difficult to get Soul. Shaman Stone allows for Uumuu to be killed in three Abyss Shrieks under normal circumstances.||

[blazing mason]

||am i supposed to be able to beat the boss that gives monarch wings in dream right after i beat him normally?||

[acoustic sigil]

No

Maybe

Depends on when you find the boss

[simple island]

usually no, but for some reason I don't understand, many find him easy

[midnight parcel]

heyo can anyone help me through ||water ways? i need help finding the acid swimmer thingy or at least a direction becuase i am petrified of the weird fucking maggot thigns they scare me||

and i dont want to go on the wiki and spoil it for me

[shut sparrow]

||have you found the map yet?||

[midnight parcel]

no

i love the ||grub|| emojis lol

[shut sparrow]

||then you should head for that first . Search for it all the way on the left side of the area||

[midnight parcel]

alrighty, thanks you!

[shut sparrow]

Yes me too ||grub needs to be spoiler tagged though||

[midnight parcel]

also what is the food..?

i found bug that sell food

[shut sparrow]

Did you buy it?

[midnight parcel]

not yet

[midnight parcel]

oh mb

[shut sparrow]

it's very cheap so just try it imo. Don't get your hopes up tho

[midnight parcel]

ok

LOL

[midnight parcel]

yay found him!

UM WHAT THE FREAK IS THAT IS IT A BOSS

DISGUSTING

[zenith basin]

murder it

[midnight parcel]

ok

[zenith basin]

imo the ||flukamungas are more disgusting||

[stoic spade]

|| is 6 masks, +2 nail 6 charm slots good enough to beat The Hollow Knight? This is going to be my first ending, and if I need upgrades what do I get? Also I’m not trying to get locked out of this ending so how do I not get locked out? Thanks||

[midnight parcel]

ok it ded

damn that literally took me 1 minute

[midnight parcel]

are thoes the ||3 in 1 package maggots?||

[zenith basin]

thats about what i had (except one more mask)
as for the locking part you can return to your save file ||after beating him, its fine||

[zenith basin]

you havent seen them yet

[midnight parcel]

kk

[zenith basin]

though theyre nearby i recommend searching ||waterways a bit more||

[midnight parcel]

eww ok

also how do i get through thoes ||2 spike paths in the broken elevator down to ancient basin-?||

[zenith basin]

you need to beat a boss in ||waterways||

[midnight parcel]

euwgh okkkk 😭

left or right side of it?

[zenith basin]

hes in the topright direction in general

[midnight parcel]

alr ty

[stoic spade]

Thanks! Any tips? I || run quick slash and mask of pride but id there anything else I should run||

[zenith basin]

spoiler charms
anyways no thats a good combo for ||thk||

though id use ||dashmaster and sprintmaster over mop||

(if you have them)

[stoic spade]

yes i do thanks i will try that if i fail alot

[midnight parcel]

is ||flukenest|| better than my curent build? this build atm is just for wandering around

like should i add it i mean

[zenith basin]

||flukenest is good for specific situations and combos||

[midnight parcel]

oke thanks

[simple island]

Ehh

||Shaman stone ||is usually better

Some glitches make ||flukenest op but you need to know how to use them
With shaman stone vengeful spirit tends to double hit often, in which case it does more damage than flukenest||

[keen dagger]

@thorny obsidian Can you?

[thorny obsidian]

Uh...Well I use PC

[full verge]

Hello everyone ! I am currently trying to speedrun the game and I am encountering an issue : ||the watcher’s knights !this darn boss is giving me a hard time and I only have around 45 minutes to get the success where I Finnish the game in under five hours. If someone who is godlike at beating this boss (for example someone who got them in radiant) I would love to hear about any tips to make this fight much easier (I would’ve gotten more time if I new the map better 😅). My nail is only upgraded once and due to my small brain I didn’t get descending dark, but I do have shaman stone and shade soul (no shade cloaque tho) ||thanks in advance 🙏

[desert pawn]

||take it slow, don't rush it, also don't get stuck in between them and make sure you always know where both are and what they're doing, there's a bit of tech you can do with shade soul, if they begin rolling, use shade soul in the direction they're rolling and it might hit multiple times, focus using shade soul, cause it is infinitely better than nail at this point with your current gear, sorry for this being late||

[full verge]

||No problem I was just chilling watching a video. Thank you so much I will try it out. I just hope I have enough time left (I might go train in godhome first just to master this cursed fight haha)||

[little gate]

is it possible to mix and match parts of different skins? like what if i love a skin but really hate one part of it, is there any way to get like a ||shade soul ||from a different skin and put it into the skin i like?

[desert pawn]

This is a question for #1057825333841240104 or #modding-discussion I think there is, but it requires literally going into the image files for the skin and manually changing all the sprites, probably wrong though

[desert pawn]

Also spoiler ||shade soul||

[little gate]

may i ask why?

[desert pawn]

Anything game related has to to spoilered

[little gate]

ok

[desert pawn]

New players come in here all the time

[shut sparrow]

please use spoiler tags for anything from the game in this channel || like this || and edit your message. ||Also tbh I doubt many people would do that. You can explore more and get more upgrades practice to be able to beat it yourself. That's also way more rewarding||

<@&283547423706447872> not tagged

[full verge]

modiify ur message mate its important 🙂 please 🙏

[earnest dove]

@keen dagger Please use spoiler tags when talking about bosses. All the rules for what is a spoiler can be found in the pinned comments

[full verge]

thanks @little gate 👍

[little gate]

sry was looking up how to do it i forgot

[full verge]

np haha

[dire lintel]

I think you'd need to do a Custom skin yea. Shouldn't be too bad 'cause you got all sprites in the folder you created when you applied the skin ^~^

[little gate]

im gonna be honest i dont know how to access the sprites

[little gate]

like i can get to the skin sprites, but not the actual sprites inside of the game

[shut sparrow]

There is a mod to mix skins. Not sure how far that actually goes since I've never tried it out. It might just be left/right side

hello Mango! 🥭

are you tassing now

[dire lintel]

Heya Nonsenf! Also, yea I dunno how to do it as well. You may create your own skin pal or wait somebody respond your message there hah

[dire lintel]

This is referencin to an accomplishment of mine (Celeste) nothin much

1 Tas, anyway no discussion rule right? sorry

[keen dagger]

Alr srry

[final mortar]

Can anyone tell me why this happened to me? (Glitch of some sorts) it stopped when I jumped.

[somber hill]

woa

idk i know nothing abt glitches and kinks

[zealous briar]

// Spoilers ahead // Plz help!!!!! I just started playing Hk and so far I love it but I'm close to beating the game and i wanted to play the DLC when I'm done. So I did some research and found out there are multiple DLCs correct me if I'm wrong but do i have to play the DLCs in order or can I skip ||hidden dreams and go to grimm troupe|| plz help me I'm so confused!!!!

[bright sorrel]

they arent dlcs, theyre updates which are integrated into the game

[somber hill]

the dlc's are called dlc's but theyre just in-game content already so please 1 spoiler tag your message of in-game content and 2 u can 'skip' a lot of stuff,

[bright sorrel]

so u dont skip any of them to access other ones

[somber hill]

?tag spoilers

[languid radish]

🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (People, Places, and Things should be spoiler tagged!! if you are confused, please see the pins for what is allowed ).
We do this to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

[bright sorrel]

[somber hill]

[somber hill]

pls tag ||hidden dreams and grimm troupe|| asap

shift + \ = |

[zealous briar]

did i do it

[bright sorrel]

the /spoiler command doesnt work for edited messages

[zealous briar]

sorry im new to this

[final mortar]

Do || on both sides

Or simpler terms 2 of these | on each side

[somber hill]

very noice

[zealous briar]

I DID IT

[somber hill]

[zealous briar]

thanks

So there just in the game i dont have to download anything theyll just eventually come up in the game?

[final mortar]

Yep

You’ll encounter them at some point of time in the game

[zealous briar]

Do i have to beat the game to do anything involving the "DLCs" or could i do it where I am in the game right now

[tawny sapphire]

The latter

[zealous briar]

wait what?

[bright sorrel]

the latter refers to the 2nd option when given 2 choices

[zealous briar]

oh so it depends on what path I chose?

[bright sorrel]

well the game isnt linear, so u might or might not have the things to start the content currently

[inland shadow]

||Beating the game doesn't really do anything, after the credits you can just reopen your save and you wake up at the last bench you sat at||

[scenic egret]

the thing ponder is talking about is the term "latter", which is a phrase

[bright sorrel]

ponder

[scenic egret]

latter means "second", former means "first"
so like if i were asked "do you want apples or oranges", former would mean apple and latter means oranges

[zealous briar]

ok, sorry Ponder i didnt understand

[scenic egret]

to restate what the other person said: do them anytime you want, you can do them now

[zealous briar]

Ive already lost to many braincells

Thanks for explaining tho

The part of the map for || Grimm Troupe is Howling cliffs correct ||

[cold pelican]

Yep

[steep stratus]

||any tips for the 2nd part of soul tyrant||

[violet ocean]

||which part, the dives or the fireball spam?||

[steep stratus]

||both||

[violet ocean]

||for dives, just jump and dash. for fireballs, basically just jump over or dash under to avoid them, or use dive for iframes||

[spark silo]

any tips for ||pure vessel hes not even that hard i just keep throwing||

[long sorrel]

use ||dive for iframes||

[violet ocean]

||if you feel confident in your skill but not in your consistency, you could use fury and kill him in like 30 seconds||

[signal escarp]

I need help need any new slik song still in development nbthes haven't given up

[steep stratus]

whats better for ||failed champion?|| ||spell build or nail build?||

[desert pawn]

||nail, you don't get soul from hitting him except for when his head pops out||

[violet ocean]

||well
spell build works very well actually
3 well timed shade souls with shaman stone will stagger him (you can get triple hits during tantrums||

[desert pawn]

||that can take some skill though, and if you miss by accidentally turning around, or need to use soul to heal, then you're left with no soul and not a good nail build to finish the phase, we don't want to give advice that relies on semi-difficult tricks||

[violet ocean]

||with spell twister you basically can't mess up unless you shoot a fireball in the wrong direction. (This isn't even taking soul vessels into account.)
And dreamnail is a full heal and full soul every stagger||

||Failed champion also basically gives you full soul at the start of each fight because of the maggots, which you can dreamnail||

[gentle mason]

Chat is
||Sharp Shadow||
||Longnail||
||Mark Of Pride||
||Strength||
A good kit for ||p3?||

[inland shadow]

||Unlike double hits, getting triple hits in the tantrum is actually somewhat difficult||

Is it still possible to ||stagger|| him without ||triples||? I don't remember

[gentle mason]

Isnt his ||stagger|| just ||his head popping out?||

[inland shadow]

In my opinion you should at the very least use ||quickslash||

[gentle mason]

I was debating that or ||strength||

[barren cliff]

I'd recommend putting those charm names and ||P3|| in spoiler tags 😅

I think the loadout is fine but do you really need ||that long a nail?|| Perhaps you could go with ||Quick Slash instead of Mark of Pride||, say 🤔

[gentle mason]

1: Just now realized that 😭
2: I beat the entire game while using this kit ||Minus Strength|| so I am not used to ||having a short nail 😭||

God its like a poorly written SCP document in here with how much blacked out text you have to put. 😭

[somber hill]

i love SCP

also only 1 out of the big 3

[young eagle]

Lmao

[haughty blade]

||charms recs for ascended markoth?||

might js be a skill issue for me 😞😞

[scarlet hull]

what’s an alumni unq?

[inland moon]

||shaman, heavy blow, catcher, nmg, twister, and sbody maybe?||

[haughty blade]

i’ll try that

[jade sedge]

The role is for retired mods

[haughty blade]

that didn’t work for me 😞

[inland moon]

You need a specific strategy

[haughty blade]

im gonna try ||nmg, heart, catcher, shaman, grubsong, and twister||

[haughty blade]

yeah im gonna try ||nail arts|| and then spam ||spells|| afterwards

idk if that’s the best tho

[inland moon]

That's the safest

And most reliable

[haughty blade]

yeah it’s going a bit good but i feel like it’s js a skill issue 💀

[inland moon]

It is indeed a skill issue

[haughty blade]

yeah :(

[inland moon]

Keep trying, you'll get it

[haughty blade]

okay i finally did it

im using those ones from now on

[cobalt sun]

I need help with advice for||Pure Vessel||, specifically ||the three strike attack|| I've watched hitless runs and the main strat seems to be ||jumping high and pogoing on it||, but the timing is so tight

[inland moon]

You can always jump away when it does that if your timing is tight

I find it works decently

[haughty blade]

i used ||sharp shadow|| for that boss and that worked for me

[inland moon]

Please don't

[haughty blade]

i did lol

[inland moon]

It's a crutch, and the damage is pitiful

Not to mention it's worse than the alternatives

[scarlet hull]

aze and thommie ?

[cobalt sun]

||Dashing is a resource|| and|| good god I dont have enough for this boss it aint worth wasting it||

[inland moon]

Yeah that

Use it on ||daggers||

[desert pawn]

||a lot of times he jumps back then slashes three times which you can jump and dodge, when he doesn't, just shade dash, if your shade dash is on cooldown, it's probably because you dashed through daggers then immediately charged, don't charge, he often follows daggers with the three slash||

[cobalt sun]

Spoiler help ||NKG had attacks I personally labelled as completely not worth attacking during does Pure Vessel have any that would be considered that||

[jade sedge]

Other mods at least have had to ask to get it so thommie and azerod wouldnt have it yet. Also it might or might not be different

[desert pawn]

||daggers, sword pillars maybe, when he focuses get out of there as soon as possible, but you can turn around and fireball||

[jade sedge]

Please spoiler tag your message

[simple island]

What

[jade sedge]

Theres a new alumni role

[simple island]

Oh… something is telling me I’m not getting it

[inland moon]

Why not

[scarlet hull]

lumos doesn’t have it either. It’s just unq and ttaco rn?

[scarlet hull]

It’s for prev mods

so u could ask if u wanted it…

[inland moon]

Taco isn't mod anymore?

[simple island]

Anyways

[scarlet hull]

yea lmao

[jade sedge]

Appears so

[jade sedge]

Wombat has it too

[scarlet hull]

don’t know who that is but ok

so unq ttaco and wombat

[bright sorrel]

stupidest thing ever

[jade sedge]

Azerod, apparently alumni have message perms so, welp

[scarlet hull]

wdym message perms

[jade sedge]

Permissions to delete and pin messages and be immune to slowmode

[inland moon]

So it's just mod lite

[bright sorrel]

so its just mod 😹

[scarlet hull]

uh

[jade sedge]

As tammo worded it, mod without the responsibilities

[scarlet hull]

ok lmao 😭 that’s so random

[inland moon]

That's very stupid nvm

[bright sorrel]

mod doesnt even come with responsibilities

i wouldnt mind it, but iirc simo has said he doesnt want the server cluttered with lots of roles

this is the pinacle of useless

[inland moon]

This is a certified moment

Just give them mod at that point

[bright sorrel]

fr

[cobalt sun]

||Thanks finally made it to the part where he does a new very telegraphed move||

[desert pawn]

||iirc, every third of his health is a new ability, so at that point he's 2/3 of his health down||

[zenith basin]

:ponder:
||ss is good for pv if youre struggling with the timing, pvs hitbox is peak bullshit at times||

[inland moon]

It's not, actually

||Twister|| is way better

Also what

Since when is the hibox an issue

[somber hill]

erm what

sounds like a ||squit|| issue

[zenith basin]

when his ||nail starts coming out of his ass||
like holy shit im 3 miles away from him and he hits me
i hate ||pvs hitbox||

[somber hill]

late-game spoilers

[inland moon]

No? Just don't land directly behind it

[zenith basin]

i give up

[inland moon]

gg

[simple island]

Their point made some sense melon

Basically, if you ||dash through, you can get hit from the back, and ss with the extra distance makes it easier to not get hit

But I prefer to pogo them, and in the long run it is the more consistent strategy ||

[inland moon]

The problem with the charm is that it's outclassed by most ||2 notches||

Even if we completey forget it's a crutch

[zenith basin]

||pogoing is even worse for slash imo||
his ||nail literally has a 270° angle, ive genuinely gotten hit while being at 3/4ths of the arenas height||

[inland moon]

I might boot up the game with hitboxes on

I've never really had its nail be an issue

[zenith basin]

this is his ||second nail swing|| (though we should prob take this to #hk-general)

[inland moon]

Eh, kinda makes sense

Could be moved forward a tiny bit I suppose

[hoary forge]

Hi I was wondering where can I get save files for the game?

[somber hill]

?tag savefiles

[languid radish]

Save Files

What do save files looks like?

• Each Hollow Knight save file is a user#.dat where # is the save slot for the file
• You can rename user3.dat to user1.dat to set it to your first save slot
• You can keep a copy of all of your save files by copy and pasting them into a different folder on your computer

Reverting Backups

• Automatic backups are called user#.dat.bak#, where the first # is the save slot, and the second # is the backup number. You will usually have your last three backups
• You restore a backup by deleting the main file, and then removing the .bak# part of the backup version

Modded Saves

• A modded save may also have a user#.modded.json (and similarly named backup). This file and the user#.dat are part of the save

Where are the files?

• On windows, the default path for Save Files is:
  • %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • You should just copy and paste that path directly into the File Explorer path bar at the top.
• For other operating systems (and Xbox Games), type ?tag saves into chat

I need a specific type of save file

• Various save files can be found in the "Saves" section of this page: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources
  • If the file you download is a .rar or other archived format, then you will need to extract it with something like 7zip

Editing save files

• MoreSaves: With the MoreSaves mod installed, you can edit save files from the Menu, by going to Options > Mods > MoreSaves
• QoL: Opening a save with QOL installed will create an extra save file called user#.json, which can be edited using Notepad or a similar text editor
• DebugMod: While not an intended purpose, you can edit some parts of your save file using Debug, such as Nail Damage, and those changes will remain even after uninstalling the mod
• Website: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/

[somber hill]

oh from someone else?

[hoary forge]

Yeah exactly

[somber hill]

:0

[inland moon]

Get them to send it to you

[hoary forge]

I was wondering is there any website in the community where people can post their save files?

[inland moon]

And download it

[inland moon]

There are some in the speedrunning server, but there's no need for anything more

[hoary forge]

Oh alright I need a save file with ||PoP || unfinished

[acoustic sigil]

You can just use mods to replay it on the same save

[inland moon]

You can install debug/qol

[acoustic sigil]

Speedrunning.com as well

[acoustic sigil]

Just QoL

[hoary forge]

Oh I can do that?

[acoustic sigil]

Yeah, get lumafly

[inland moon]

Can noclip through the wall

[acoustic sigil]

?tag lumafly

[languid radish]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[hoary forge]

Whats QoL?

[inland moon]

I am failing with the reply pings today

[acoustic sigil]

A mod on Lumafly, stands for Quality of Life

[hoary forge]

Oh got it

Any downsides to installing mods?

[inland moon]

Nope

Just turn them off if you want to speedrun

Or launch the game vanilla rather

[hoary forge]

Alright cool time to mod then, thx!

[inland moon]

gl

[vital ruin]

||best charms for p4?||

[inland moon]

||Strength, qslash, shaman, twister||

[vital ruin]

alr ty

[forest pewter]

@hoary forge when|| zote||

[hoary forge]

Alright going to ||deepnest|| right now

[forest pewter]

Really? Awesome

[hoary forge]

Ye I don't have much left to do anyways

[green stone]

Have fun down there

[forest pewter]

Also before you save him just tellling you you are responsible for what u do not me

[hoary forge]

You are making me have second thoughts

[forest pewter]

If u want a full hk experience
||Zote|| is worth it honestly I had a lot of fun killing him over and over

[hoary forge]

Yeah

Do you know where he is? I don't wanna wander in ||deepnest|| for long

[forest pewter]

Wait I'll show you the map

[hoary forge]

Awesome thx

[forest pewter]

Ok I am gonna create a better map but if u dont wana waitif u wana find him quickly he's somehow in this circle

[hoary forge]

That will do I am at ||Hot Spring bench|| rn

[forest pewter]

Alright

[hoary forge]

Why is he such a jerk everytime

@forest pewter where to now?

[forest pewter]

||Colo 1 ||

[forest pewter]

Only do the|| first trail and |then go back to dirtmouth||

[hoary forge]

Okay got it

[forest pewter]

Good luck

You'll need it

[hoary forge]

Thanks

[forest pewter]

Try || dream nailing him during the fight || u might find some answer ||

[forest pewter]

Wait why do you have more ||geo|| than me

[hoary forge]

Lol my ||Grimmchild|| killed him in ||Colo||

[hoary forge]

I am rich fr

[somber hill]

not rly

thats not that much lategame

[hoary forge]

I did ||dream nailed|| him he was saying something about his ||father||

[somber hill]

tagging

[hoary forge]

Yeah true but also there isn't any use of ||geo|| anymore

[somber hill]

tagging

[somber hill]

tagging

lore

[hoary forge]

🐌

[somber hill]

snailing urself?

smh

[hoary forge]

Yeah

[somber hill]

i mean it was just slow, it wasnt a snail

[hoary forge]

So who is his ||father||?

[forest pewter]

Nobody knows

[forest pewter]

Lmao

[hoary forge]

Ah sad

[forest pewter]

Now go fight ||bretta's dream||

[zenith basin]

[forest pewter]

[hoary forge]

I am going to ||Dirtmouth|| now

I mean it can't be that bad

[forest pewter]

Extremely 100× good luck

[zenith basin]

it can be

its worse than what you imagine

[forest pewter]

Nah it's not that bad

[hoary forge]

[forest pewter]

He's fun once u know how to get rid of his minions

[hoary forge]

Wtf

He is so random

I managed to stagger him once how close was I?

[zenith basin]

what nail

[hoary forge]

Highest + ||strength + qs||

[zenith basin]

roughly 1/3rds

[hoary forge]

I am happy at least he doesn't do ||double damage||

[zenith basin]

about that

[hoary forge]

WHAT?

[somber hill]

staggers aren't based on hp

[hoary forge]

Got him!!

[zenith basin]

ok now ||fight him again||
im serious

[hoary forge]

Ah I see

[hoary forge]

Ok wait a min sure

[zenith basin]

wait nvm that needs 3

dont ig its not worth the funny

[forest pewter]

What he was very easy to me I beat him first try

[zenith basin]

i fought him once died and never got back to him

[hoary forge]

He got me off guard with all his attacks at first got him in second try though

[versed urchin]

||staggers are based on hits||

[forest pewter]

Cmon I tagged at the last moment

[zenith basin]

[somber hill]

whar

[forest pewter]

[forest pewter]

You Gotta beat him 4 times

[zenith basin]

||3 for the funny 2x damage||

[hoary forge]

Did second time just now didn't notice anything different?

[forest pewter]

Why not 10

[somber hill]

all 10 times

[zenith basin]

im stupid
the funny happens at 3

[forest pewter]

||He has more 100 health and spawns more minons durring first three time
And fourth fight all that happens ad he does double damage
After that everything remains same but his damage increase||

[zenith basin]

||and health, 1200 to 1500||

[forest pewter]

Doesn't it happen at 4

[forest pewter]

||Yeah 100 health per fight till the fourth fight||

[hoary forge]

Defeated him thrice so far

No ||double damage|| yet

[forest pewter]

One last time after that its your choice wether u wana continue or not

[hoary forge]

Also it's funny how his ||titles|| are increasing

[forest pewter]

Yeah I think they are 12 in total

[hoary forge]

Cool

[forest pewter]

Good luck

[hoary forge]

These ||flames|| denote how many times I have beat him right?

[inland moon]

Kinda

[zenith basin]

isnt it 13

[forest pewter]

Wait I never payed attention to that

[forest pewter]

Might be

[hoary forge]

How many ||flames|| are there in total?

[inland moon]

4

It only shows 4, but there's ||10 fights||

[hoary forge]

Oh okay so one last remaining!

[inland moon]

not quite

[zenith basin]

[hoary forge]

[zenith basin]

well yes but actually no

[hoary forge]

God ||double damage|| is hard, I didn't realize how much damage tanking I was doing before

[forest pewter]

Yeah you should use || feagile heart || for it

[somber hill]

the agile

[forest pewter]

@hoary forge also there's another ||dream boss|| who can be fought more than once

[hoary forge]

Yay got him 4th time!

[forest pewter]

Congrats

[hoary forge]

Oh really who?

[forest pewter]

|| white defender ||

[versed urchin]

||white denfender||

[somber hill]

bruh

[hoary forge]

I can't take off ||MoP|| though

[somber hill]

gg

[hoary forge]

Wait we can fight ||White defender|| multiple times

[versed urchin]

||whats your charm loadout?||

[hoary forge]

So he isn't dead?

[forest pewter]

Noooo

[forest pewter]

You can wake him up

[simple island]

Two ||dream bosses where added later in updates
And those can be beaten 5 and 10 times, each time harder than the last||

You don’t really get rewards

[forest pewter]

||Dream essence||

And lore

[hoary forge]

||Zote|| didn't gave ||essence||, did he?

[simple island]

They do the first time

[forest pewter]

Idk he might give like 1 per defeat

[hoary forge]

Oh right he did gave ||essence||

[simple island]

But afterwards it’s just lore

[hoary forge]

Wait a minute guys where is ||Bretta||?

[simple island]

And bragging rights

[forest pewter]

Wana try || white defender || now

[forest pewter]

Hehe

[forest pewter]

Read her diary

[hoary forge]

I was in the middle of my ||Steel soul|| run but sure why not!

[forest pewter]

[simple island]

She lives after ||4 zote defeat
Her illusion of his grandur is gone, and she lives, disgusted||
I don’t think ||her diary|| gets updated when she does ?

[hoary forge]

No it did got updated

I think she left to find ||true love||

[forest pewter]

It does get updated

[hoary forge]

I can't defeat ||Zote|| 5th time it seems

[forest pewter]

Not necessary

But try If u want to

[hoary forge]

Nah not worth it I think, time to take a break and continue my ||ss run||

[forest pewter]

Alright

[hoary forge]

Btw what does ||p5 41/42 means in your username||?

[forest pewter]

Wait u haven't beaten the final ||pantheon||?

[hoary forge]

You can defeat ||41|| bosses in a row?

[forest pewter]

How many || pantheon 5|| boses I have defeated

[hoary forge]

Nope and never trying it too lol

[forest pewter]

Yeah

[forest pewter]

Okay that's understandable but the || sisters of battle is worth unlocking || it's really easy and its one of best fights in the entire game

[hoary forge]

That's awesome, on my first try ||Sisters of Battle|| wrecked me

[hoary forge]

Yeah I unlocked them but got defeated by them in ||Pantheon||

[forest pewter]

Oh I see

[forest pewter]

I got wrekedck by fucking || oblobles || first try

[tawny sapphire]

||RadObles|| right?

[forest pewter]

I can't even beat || ascend || but yeah they beat me in || p5 ||

[tawny sapphire]

[forest pewter]

Also ||enraged guardian is suprisngly hard on p5||

[hoary forge]

I find every boss that does ||double damage|| hard

[tawny sapphire]

Just

[tawny sapphire]

||P5 is free as long as you don’t forget to turn off AnyRad||

[forest pewter]

I think everyone does ( on first playthrough)

[forest pewter]

Hes pretty far in the || pantheon || so I normally take 6 damage to him due to panicking

[simple island]

||Double damage is necessary
You can just spam nail and not dodge anything to beat most one damage bosses||

They really force you to play more defensively, and you need to learn moveset

[shrewd stone]

how do i get this

[somber hill]

from top iirc lemme check

[shrewd stone]

nah i think ur confusing it for this one over here

[somber hill]

wait no

[somber hill]

yea its just top of the room u have

[shrewd stone]

theres nothing there just a geo deposit

[somber hill]

like a hole in the cieling and u go right

[simple island]

Yeah there is a hole in the ||celling under that grub
By far the hardest grub||

[shrewd stone]

huh where

[somber hill]

not directly under, a bit to the left

[shrewd stone]

wait is that spoilered or not

[somber hill]

oop both unspoiled

BRUH

[somber hill]

here

[shrewd stone]

lemme check

oh i see the hole

[somber hill]

mm

[shrewd stone]

but how am i supposed to reach that 😭

[somber hill]

u can ||cdash||

[zenith basin]

||cdash||

[shrewd stone]

||cdash?||

oh

[zenith basin]

[shrewd stone]

wait from where

[somber hill]

yea

[zenith basin]

wall

[somber hill]

from the highest point on the other wall

[somber hill]

wall gives no info smh

[shrewd stone]

ohh wait nv,m i was thinking like ||cdashing ||from the ground lmfao

[somber hill]

i could say 'e' and everything else would be a snail with that logic

[somber hill]

LOL

[shrewd stone]

ok i got the ||grub ||thankss

[main crane]

||Has an order to defeat all bosses?||

[tawny sapphire]

no

[main crane]

oh nice

thanks

[zenith basin]

there are required bosses but most bosses are optional

[midnight fossil]

I need help with ||Winged Nosk on radiant.|| I really hate the ||attack|| where it ||spits across the whole arena||, ||dodging it is hell.|| And I don't mean the one where it ||crawls up into the ceiling.|| Any strategies/tips??

[shut sparrow]

||you can shade dash through it or use ddark at the right time to dodge it||

[midnight fossil]

I always ||dash ||into one of the ||blobs||, and I never have ||soul ||to ||ddark||. WIll try ||ddark ||though, thanks. Also I HATE the ||hitbox|| of the ||swoop attack.||

(Also yep, the unnecessary amount of spoilers instead of just 1 big one is intentional.)

[shadow venture]

||Im like 90% sure that you can pretty much just stand still every time it uses it and there will always be a gap where you are||

[midnight fossil]

||Swoop|| ||attack ||is so annoying. If I try one big ||jump|| i often don't time it right and end up not being ||high up ||enough and ||taking damage||, and if I use ||wings|| I end up too ||high|| to ||slash ||||downwards.||

[midnight fossil]

huh okay, never realised

will try

[tawny sapphire]

||who said you can't do both simultaneously||

[midnight fossil]

Yeah with using ||wings|| I mean doing that after the ||big jump,|| sorry if that was unclear

[simple island]

That is most definitely not the case
But yeah that attack is shit to react to, I would recommend running something that focuses on ||soul gathering and just using ddark each, and every time the boss uses that attack||

[tawny sapphire]

||doesn't matter lol,
when jumping/Djumping you can use your downslash as you go up
so after the big jump use wings and down slash simultaneously giving you both the safety from wings and the pogo
the vertically heigh from the pogo is cancelled out by the wings||

[simple island]

Which is most definitely annoying and lame, but functional

[tawny sapphire]

||DDark my beloved ||

[midnight fossil]

im practicing for ||p5|| btw. keeps fucking me up after ||uumuu||

[forest pewter]

[tawny sapphire]

it's basically just ||VFK but with a bigger hitbox and more rng||

[shadow venture]

||Just listen for the screeches, sound queues kinda say everything in that fight||

[midnight fossil]

BUT ||THE SPIT ATTACK SUCKS||

I HATE ITTTTT 😭

[forest pewter]

Which?

The normal is really easy

[midnight fossil]

when it spits across the arena, i just cant sightread it for some reason. i just cant react

Y'all don't understand, ||I need to almost be on full hp if I wanna beat sly and hornet||

[tawny sapphire]

then practice ||Ascsly and Aschornet||

[forest pewter]

|| ascend sly || is harder than the entire || p5, || no cap

[shadow venture]

nah

[forest pewter]

I can show you how to dodge it on stream if u want

[simple island]

||Sly||, if known somewhat well
Can be beaten almost hitless/hitless consistently

[shadow venture]

||grubberfly elegy|| makes the fight easy

[simple island]

You are not supposed to take much damage during ||sly||

[inland shadow]

True, ||Sly|| is pretty hard to learn but he gets very very consistent

[midnight fossil]

||Just practicing nosk would be easier cuz ik ill def get through hornet and sly if i have a good amount of health, and then there's a bench right afterward so i dont need to worry about health when fighting hornet very much||

[frigid charm]

hello

[forest pewter]

Naaahhh I disgaree I normally I reach || sly || at 6 hp and then I have 8 hp when I reach || hornet ||

[simple island]

Basically your goal with ||sly should be to use mostly and only nail arts,|| cuz those are super safe

[midnight fossil]

||"Hurgh! Hargh! Rahhh!!" and then he does the funny spin thing||

[midnight fossil]

thats clever

[frigid charm]

||sly|| Hitbox big as hell

[forest pewter]

Yeah too big

Make it small

[inland shadow]

His ||Great Slash|| hitbox is....... wtf was team cherry thinking

[frigid charm]

also 2 ||mask damage||

[simple island]

||https://youtu.be/doM3Q6l15os?si=G3JP1OAL5fW13jhb ||
For me discovering ||nail arts on sly|| made a world of difference, it is something you need to learn, but it becomes so consistent

[forest pewter]

Yeah I am like 100 feet in the air and it still hit me XD

[rigid fractal]

i|| counter almost all of his attacks with cyclone slash ⭐|| safe right?

[frigid charm]

cool

[simple island]

I think that is optimal yeah

[inland shadow]

That's a very interesting strategy, the way I learned the fight was to learn the windows after certain attacks that you can get in ||~3 nail hits||

[rigid fractal]

yay. not like i play hk rn

[forest pewter]

@midnight fossil should I show you || winged nosk || fight or no

[midnight fossil]

nope, in school :) thanks tho

[inland shadow]

oh yeah, tips for ||winged nosk||:

use ||shaman stone||, learn the timing when he flies across the arena for ||double hits|| (it's not as hard as it seems)

[frigid charm]

||Vengenfly king 2.0||

[forest pewter]

Yeah that things crushes him

[frigid charm]

with Weird hitbox

[forest pewter]

Very wierd hitbox

[simple island]

It’s bad yeah

||Godhome|| hitboxes are really bad

[frigid charm]

the third Part of ||pantheon 5|| FULL of Annoying boss

[simple island]

Like in general

[forest pewter]

Some aren't annoying it's just the amount of stress that increase theier difficulty

[simple island]

Nah
||Pv, nkg, soul tyrant,|| those are bangers
(I would add ||gpz|| here as well but I know opinions of him

[inland shadow]

I don't know why people hate ||GPZ|| so much, he's a fun boss?

[shadow venture]

||Pv?||

[inland shadow]

||Pure Vessel||

[shadow venture]

ah

[frigid charm]

random as f#ck

[forest pewter]

Yaey I found someone who thinks that

[tawny sapphire]

what about me

[tawny sapphire]

negative

[shadow venture]

||I wouldnt say fun but he is easier than people say||

[forest pewter]

I forgot
Sorry

[forest pewter]

True I heared someone say hes the hardest boss lol

[tawny sapphire]

this is cyber bullying, mods ban him /j

[frigid charm]

||Soul tyrant Fight so Fun||

[forest pewter]

Plewse don ban me

[tawny sapphire]

[shadow venture]

||I feel like the most fun bosses are like Sisters of battle and Absrad, least fun boss is markoth, screw markoth||

[forest pewter]

[tawny sapphire]

ehhh atleast it's not ||White Defender||