#hk-help

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unkempt cave
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how do i fight these enemies?

hasty willow
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hit and run

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until DEATH

fiery iron
scenic egret
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also, ||spells go through the mask||

hasty willow
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u could go throgh by tank

scenic egret
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||2 damage though||

hasty willow
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why am i talking this way

fiery iron
idle tiger
fiery iron
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Maybe he doesnt have it

hasty willow
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he has to

scenic egret
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they might not

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its only available if you backtrack, so delete before they see it

hasty willow
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hope no one sees

fiery iron
hasty willow
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comeon thats really good then how are u gonna do ||colo||

scenic egret
hasty willow
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i defeated ||absrad|| as a shade

scenic egret
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backtracking is entirely up to the player, same with looking for secrets

scenic egret
fiery iron
hasty willow
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forgot

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im 101% in

scenic egret
idle tiger
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You can die in king's pass?

hasty willow
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come on

fiery iron
idle tiger
hasty willow
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tag

fiery iron
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Oh wait no fuck

idle tiger
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It's fucking KINGS PAS HOLY

fiery iron
hasty willow
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nvm

idle tiger
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no problem 👍

fiery iron
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I tought you Said || kings station ||

scenic egret
hasty willow
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he read as ||kings brand ||

hasty willow
scenic egret
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metroidvania experience does not have an impact on skill

idle tiger
hasty willow
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wait a sec are we gettin off topic

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and dont know how to hit

inland shadow
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hi everyone

so my current build for ||godhome|| is ||mop + ustrength + qs + twister||

ive been thinking abt replacing ||twister|| with ||sb + nmg|| or ||heart||. are either of these changes advisable?

also does like ||sb|| actually like, help/boost dps in ||pantheons||?

hasty willow
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didnt understand a word u said

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?

scenic egret
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tags

scenic egret
hasty willow
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none of these are in the game

scenic egret
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i would reccommend using ||grubsong instead of nmg||

scenic egret
inland shadow
hasty willow
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i mean wat i said

scenic egret
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tag, and they do exist.

hasty willow
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u clean with a mop

sturdy mountain
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h`ow yall so good at this game

scenic egret
inland shadow
hasty willow
hasty willow
sturdy mountain
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how many minutes should i play the game for

inland shadow
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||qs is quickslash||

hasty willow
fiery iron
scenic egret
hasty willow
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i have 2 days in the game]

hasty willow
fiery iron
neat karma
hasty willow
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bro i 100% the game so i dont remeber all the charms

scenic egret
hasty willow
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may i ask what does ||sb||stand for

atomic flower
fiery iron
atomic flower
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ohhh

slow yoke
hasty willow
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ty

hasty willow
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i didnt mean any disrespect

slow yoke
hasty willow
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to him

atomic flower
atomic flower
scenic egret
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and ||grubsong|| is typically so you have enough soul to heal after getting hit

hasty willow
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how much soul do u get from it

proper frost
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15

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There's also a synergy

hasty willow
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how much is that to heal

proper frost
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33

hasty willow
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so half way

atomic flower
atomic flower
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wait it is

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oh wait it is i didn't read the whole thing sorry

hasty willow
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then ||defenders crest for lost kin||

atomic flower
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let me check for some good ||two notch charms||

scenic egret
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theres also ||dwielder|| but imo thats mid

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and also the person doesnt ||use spells||

atomic flower
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k then i'd recommend ||longnail or unbreakable heart||

scenic egret
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both worse

hasty willow
scenic egret
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  1. they already have ||mop, which is plenty enough||
  2. ||heart is actually so mid||
hasty willow
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@proper frost what did i do wrong

atomic flower
scenic egret
proper frost
atomic flower
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||heart is actually underrated imo, although it is much better at the beginning of the game||

hasty willow
slow yoke
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||nmg > mop||

scenic egret
# atomic flower say that about my boy

||it only has a use when youre at 1 or 2 masks, and if youre at that point either you made a lot of mistakes or youre dying either way to the next boss/same boss in a place like the pantheons||

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and additionally, you can much more easily take less damage with ||sb and grubsong||

proper frost
hasty willow
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i like range more i feel like i cant liive without it\

proper frost
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Its a drug,exactly

hasty willow
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i will give ||salubra|| more geo cause of it

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but i need ||kingsoul to get salubras blessing||

slow yoke
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u do???

proper frost
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I think so

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The ||blessing|| gives close to nothing though

slow yoke
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idk

glad lava
# slow yoke u do???

Or|| Voidheart.|| But one|| White Fragment|| sadly does not count towards your charm count.

hasty willow
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||bro iwent to salubras to get the blessing but it said im missing one charm which is kingsoul||

meager river
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OMG OMG OMG I DID IT || I BEAT PATH OF PAIN|| LETS GOOO

proper frost
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Yo gg🔥

hasty willow
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||I DIED MILLION OF TIMES WHILE GETTING TO SHEO||

meager river
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proof of the deed

hasty willow
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get the|| hunters mark||

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or not now

meager river
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god my heart is pounding

inland shadow
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nevermind just had skill issue lol

fiery iron
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I didnt know it gave a || journal mark ||

proper frost
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It's unneceserry tho

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You can get the mark if you dont do it

astral bobcat
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Is ||hornet sentinel supposed to be after sly in p5||

fiery iron
proper frost
fiery iron
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Its after i looked today

astral bobcat
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Cuz in ||p3 hornet is before||

fiery iron
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Also working on it

proper frost
fiery iron
meager river
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but i somehow doubt it

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then again it did take me like 8 hours total

proper frost
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grubomg _ _

fiery iron
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İt Said || all pantheons so p5 too ||

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Anyways silksong seems to not be announcing soon and its summer break so i will have a lot of free time

proper frost
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Gg tags

trail cliff
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How many ||charm notches|| should I have at max?

proper frost
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11

plush jasper
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I think somethings wrong with my game

cinder lodge
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any tips to ||Kill failed champion||?

granite lark
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Hey guys, I was thinking about buying HK for switch, never played it before but looks to be fun. I like rogue like games so I heard this one is a good one to play? Should I buy it?

neat karma
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Well not really a roguelike this is a metroidvania so if you like exploration this games for you

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The combat is simple but hard to master with a ton of different bosses and several areas

slow yoke
neat karma
granite lark
fiery iron
neat karma
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Well that. The combat at the start is as simply as you have an attack, and 4 directions to attack in, but as you progress you get some abilities, but with the tools given theres much to improve on and by the end with hard work you can improve so much, hitting combos and feeling so connected to it that the fights and attacks will feel like a dance (itll make sense if you play) and it will simply feel like a part of you, basic tools given but if the time is used you can do a TON with it

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Btw i am horrible at explaining things

plush jasper
# fiery iron What is it?

Okay, so, a bit ago the ||notch cost of shaman, twister and eater randomly changed, removing one from their cost||

granite lark
fiery iron
plush jasper
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I tried that, both modded and vanilla, still didnt change back

proper frost
fiery iron
proper frost
plush jasper
proper frost
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A mod "more saves"

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Wich allows you to edit your saves

plush jasper
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Oh, okay

proper frost
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There's an option to change ||costs of specific charms||

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And i think it will stay the same after you delete the mod

plush jasper
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Okay, thanks

rapid rivet
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how much geo does ||enraged guardian|| drop upon killed? I always end up dying to ||that one lazer wave that spawns after killing them||

bright sorrel
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a bit over 500

rapid rivet
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i respawned with 94 geo aswell, i assume that was from where i would have landed?

rapid rivet
lean drum
lean drum
rapid rivet
lean drum
rapid rivet
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no further questioning

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if it wasn't for ||unbreakable mask|| I would have choked on last hit

bright sorrel
lean drum
bright sorrel
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however you can definitely give better/more constructive advice too, rather than "just jump"

rapid rivet
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they dodged the question in general too, i knew id have better luck here

bright sorrel
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u mean hkdiscussion?!

lean drum
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i legit have never beat ||enraged guardian|| after my first playthrough bc its such a boring boss

bright sorrel
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if u arent a regular there/someone the regulars there like, u will likely be ignored, or the ppl there are already talking abt something and want to continue their conversation

rapid rivet
lean drum
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mfw i completely forgot tags

potent shell
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Will I be able to fight ||nightmare king grimm|| in ||godhome|| if I banish ||grimm?||

bright sorrel
potent shell
bright sorrel
potent shell
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aight ty

tranquil tulip
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is this good for ||sly? i think i can trade longnail and grubsong for something else maybe?||

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opswait i mean

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i alr did that lmao

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maybe ||ToA|| then

jade sedge
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||Thorns of agony is very bad since it locks you in place during iframes so you cant use them to go to safety and youll end up getting hit again||

tranquil tulip
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what if

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i've never used that before but it seems useful

jade sedge
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||For sly you could just use only nail arts so use nmg and then you can choose the other charms so they help against the other bosses in the pantheon||

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Thats in general a fine build, ||though MoP is a bit of a crutch||

tranquil tulip
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ehhhh ||i am too noob for shape of unn||

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nhhghghghghh what am i doing

karmic dome
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Helpful Fact:
Elderbug is completely useless, other than slight hints to ||following areas||. There is no need to talk to him.

No, I don't have to add the spoiler tag to "Elderbug". Anything after Dirtmouth needs a spoiler tag, right?

bright sorrel
jade sedge
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Yeah thats the general rule, a few exceptions exist to both directions but elderbug doesnt need tags

meager river
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I hate that im forced to run ||grimmchild|| if i want to fight ||nkg||

meager river
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||sly|| as an example

bright sorrel
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||sly|| is not an exception

bright sorrel
somber hill
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while charms, map and bosses don't need tags but anything more detailed does

karmic dome
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In ||Godhome||, specifically the ||Hall of Gorbs||, when fighting ||Nightmare King Grimm||, you do not need ||Grimmchild||. (Example)

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Like that?

bright sorrel
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||hall of gorbs || grubthink

karmic dome
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||GOOOORRRBBa||

meager river
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Any recommendations for which ||charms|| to run against ||nkg||?

crystal tide
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what do you have?

neat dove
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probably a dumb question but do ||nail upgrades|| have an effect on ||spirits like soul tyrant||?

crystal tide
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Yes

crystal tide
viscid heart
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do u guys have any tips for ||soul tyrant||

somber hill
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uh well uh uh

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for his ||summon orb|| u want it to go above u i think and u ||dash towards him|| to make it do so

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and it won't hit but idk if thats 100% factual

somber hill
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the ones above his head i think

viscid heart
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bro there is a second phase???????

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why am i surprised ||soul master fight is the same thing||

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im never getting back to second phase again lol

meager river
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you can do it. just keep trying

viscid heart
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BRO WHAT IS THIS, ||HIS DIVES IN THE SECOND PHASE IS LIKE IMPOSSIBLE TO DODGE||

plucky dome
viscid heart
plucky dome
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||You need to anticipate the dive and jump early enough so that you won't hit him||

viscid heart
viscid heart
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finally dude...

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took me maybe 2 hours lol

crystal tide
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Congrats!!!

viscid heart
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300 more ||essence til awoken dnail||

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idk if i should do the ||dream version of broken vessel||

crystal tide
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Do it

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It's easy

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It will do the job

viscid heart
crystal tide
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Not hard really

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I can't compare

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It like have only 2 or three basic attacks

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It's super easyyy vesselvibe

viscid heart
meager river
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which of the ||dream bosses|| is the hardest? I just did ||GPZ and FC||

meager river
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fair enough

scarlet hull
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It kinda depends what u consider a ||dream boss||

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I can tell u

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But can I see ur charm inv to check something

slim harness
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wowie

scarlet hull
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Toasty does ||radiance count as a dream boss||

meager river
scarlet hull
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Sure

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Uh ||gpz is considered hard cause of the randomness ||

meager river
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I only have ||White defender and soul tyrant|| left

slim harness
slim harness
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but ||tier 1 gpz isn't that hard iirc right?||

scarlet hull
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Well sure but like it can be hard for ur first time

meager river
slim harness
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||failed champ is really fast but if you have the right charms you can always win after beating phase 1||

meager river
scarlet hull
slim harness
scarlet hull
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But u should do all of them for the funsies

slim harness
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||but gpz and white defender are||

meager river
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fair

slim harness
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||if the sprite is the same it won't have a unique journal entry||

meager river
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Also debating on doing ||NKG or banishment||. I want both achievements down the line anyways and I feel like ||banishment would be better saved for a steel soul run?||

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im also terrified that ||NKG|| will completely beat my ass

scarlet hull
meager river
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pretty sure they dont

scarlet hull
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They do I think

slim harness
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nope

meager river
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no they definitely dont

scarlet hull
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What?????

slim harness
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last time I checked they don't

meager river
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i just beat 2 of em and my % didnt go up

slim harness
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||only warrior dreams do||

scarlet hull
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That’s stupid af

meager river
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i mean they are basically mandatory for ||ascension|| anyways

meager river
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unless ur doing ||LTE|| or something

slim harness
scarlet hull
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Welllll they actually r because ||pantheons||

slim harness
slim harness
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||you don't need them for p4||

meager river
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I guess? idk its a random barely ran speedrun category

slim harness
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just do it

scarlet hull
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Wdym to complete the ||pantheons|| u need to beat them

slim harness
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to be safe

scarlet hull
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Not like to enter the things but to beat them

slim harness
scarlet hull
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Yea

slim harness
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feelspkman

meager river
slim harness
meager river
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I was more just debating ||banishment|| so i could avoid fighting ||NKG||

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but yeah its probably better if I ||just fight him|| and leave ||banishment for steel soul or something||

inland moon
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you'll have to eventually anyway

meager river
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yeah thats partially why i was thinking its a good idea to do it now. gives me practice for when i one day try ||p5||

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any recommended charms for ||Soul Tyrant|| ?

slim harness
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good ol ||strength quickslash spell twister shaman's stone||

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Idk tbh lol

meager river
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ah yes, the same setup ive been using for everything lmao

slim harness
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||spell focused might work cause he's often far away||

meager river
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well for now lets try the old reliable

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well i beat him on my second try lets go

slim harness
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good job

inland moon
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gg

meager river
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well ||white defender|| down in 2 tries as well

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all thats left for ||non godhome|| is ||NKG and trail of the fool||

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Getting closer and closer to 112

somber hill
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Nice

simple island
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Have you installed mods of any kind ?

remote path
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vocalized

simple island
remote path
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I removed the mods but it still won't work

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let me test it without mods

simple island
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?tag crash

languid radishBOT
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simple island
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?tag error

languid radishBOT
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How to fix Installer Errors

simple island
remote path
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no thanks i'll just play it vanilla

simple island
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Uhh
Is reading so hard that you would rather give up on using mods

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Damn, like you very likely have a very easy to fix issue

remote path
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it worked on my steam version

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I had an old pirated game

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i did it for testing because i suck at modding games

simple island
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Yes, if you had read the text you would know that modding does not work on pirated copies

remote path
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that's why i checked the steam version dumbo

simple island
remote path
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ANYWAY its fixed now so thank you

hasty willow
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hey

plucky glade
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||When I defeat the first mantis lord, do the other 2 have an accumulated life or do I have to kill 1 first||

shut sparrow
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they have ||separate health||

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so if you ||defeat one, the other one still survives and you'll have to defeat that too||

plucky glade
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Ahh sadly I have no way of differentiating them I think

shut sparrow
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Yeah there is no way to differentiate them. They'll likely ||die at about the same time||

plucky glade
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Hope so

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Thank u

meager river
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They are mostly just learning the pattern

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Once you understand how to dodge their attacks ur basically 90% of the way there

hasty willow
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finaly im now doing|| panteons || i think im getting better at the game since all the ||bosse are easy||but in stuck with ||oro and mato||

simple island
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Yeah they can be odd

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But you practice individual bosses in the ||hall of gods (below the pantheons) including the ones you have yet to beat in godhome||
So you can practice them

karmic dome
meager thistle
shut sparrow
karmic dome
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I am stupid

meager thistle
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Maybe feelspkman

meager river
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so i was scared of ||trial of the fool|| cause i kept hearing how hard it was... I just beat it first try

inland moon
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that makes me kind of upset

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it took me about 10 tries to do it

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but gg

meager river
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it was pretty easy ngl

proper frost
karmic dome
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took me 10 tries to beat ||T||||H||||E|||| ||||S||||U||||N||

meager river
karmic dome
proper frost
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And i'd say for ||colo 3 stuff like hp,nail uprgades,spell upgrades,matter more than for other late game bosses||

inland moon
proper frost
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Mhm

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||so you can beat other stuff with wings,shade clock and nail 2,but with only that and white spells colo 3 WILL be hard||
I mean,much harder than other things

rigid mortar
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||Why does dreamgate cost essence?!?!?crylaI was so happy that doing all the essence bosses and stuff payed off, but now I feel bad using it. ||

proper frost
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After you do the last thing for ||essence you can not feel bad about using it,there is nowhere else you will need it||

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Also ||after you dreamgate the chance for random essence drop is highly increased,so you can get it back||

rigid mortar
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...Alright thanks

simple island
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Yeah no really do not think about this cost

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Like even if you use it 30 times to retry a ||boss without having to walk it will not be a big waste of essence||

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there are like ||600 bonus essence compared to what seer asks of you without factoring in the random essence|| drops (which are infinite)

remote terrace
hollow prawn
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whats up #hk-hell

remote terrace
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Just fine.

hollow prawn
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thommie lurk (real)

hollow prawn
remote terrace
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||btw,for p4,a melee,which charms should i use?wanna beat the other bindings(did nail binding)||

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||not mop.||

hollow prawn
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what you should use is spaces after your punctuation quirrelsob

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||uhh yeah quickslash, strength, longnail, wielder, NMG, steady body||

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that was 12

remote terrace
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||hmmm ok no longnail||

hollow prawn
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you asked for my help

remote terrace
meager thistle
karmic dome
meager river
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god i feel absolutely hopeless against ||NKG||

inland moon
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dw it only took me 2 hours feelspkman

meager river
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its the last thing i need before ||godhome||

karmic dome
humble glen
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lol

karmic dome
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SPAMTON G. SPAMTON!!!

humble glen
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yes

void iron
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can someone show me on the map where I can spend these again?

karmic dome
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||Resting Grounds||

meager river
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I keep getting hit by ||the stupid flames after his uppercut||

simple island
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Trying to beat ||ngk|| ?

plucky glade
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||MANTIS DEAD 4TH TRY LETS GOOOO||

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Respect

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||Bro why tf is Cornifer here did he beat the Mantis Lords too?||

remote terrace
remote terrace
simple island
# meager river I keep getting hit by ||the stupid flames after his uppercut||

The ||flame should always appear at the same place, compared to where nkg ends up, that means that if you dodge the initial upercut in the same way you will always have to dodge the fiteballs in the same way
what i do is dash away from them when they arr on the ground, get a hit before they jump, and then not moving basically always lets me dodge them||

remote terrace
plucky glade
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Really?

remote terrace
plucky glade
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Is it for lore reasons

remote terrace
plucky glade
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Ah

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Thats kinda the reason I bought the game for tho

simple island
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Yeah no you can definitely go in there

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But it is not the path of least resistance for sure

plucky glade
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I want the ||mask shard|| I can see in the entrance

meager river
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well im done for now. this is somehow more draining and pain than ||PoP||

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doesnt help that i actually am finding the fight boring as all hell

simple island
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Taking breaks is very important

real forum
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|| Hey guys what charm build should i use for patheon 3?||

plucky glade
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This place claustrophobic af

simple island
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Yes

sleek ether
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I need help about beating the ||A.Radiance in Radiant.|| Any Advices?

simple island
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?tag spoilers

languid radishBOT
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🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (Charms, bosses, locations, etc.) to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

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simple island
real forum
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Sorry Im new to this i didnt knoe how to put spoilers...

simple island
real forum
simple island
real forum
simple island
real forum
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oop

neat dove
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are the ||skips to get to areas early|| mostly dev intended or accidental?

real forum
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I suppose accitdentle such as ||Sulubra shade skip||

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and ||shriek pogo||

neat dove
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I thought pogoing was an intended mechanic

simple island
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Depends on which, but I think a handful are intended
Like ||shade skips were clearly something they knew could happen, same with watcher knight without wings, or the squit pogo in greenpath||

real forum
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yes but not on ||shriek||

crystal tide
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spoiler tag

simple island
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||Shriek pogo|| was discovered like 6 month ago zote obviously it was not intended

crystal tide
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Ty!

real forum
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Im sorry

crystal tide
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dw

real forum
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So ||spells, charms, locations, skips and bosses?||

meager thistle
chilly zinc
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guys ive heard that everytime you enter ||godhome|| there is a low chance it takes you to a special place

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is it real?

ember quarry
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So, I’ve been wondering I believe there is a way to show your % completion but I don’t know how. Unless is it a mod?

chilly zinc
ember quarry
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Yes

chilly zinc
ember quarry
chilly zinc
chilly zinc
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the classic one

simple island
chilly zinc
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i beat them all so i might as well just start ||spamming the godseeker||

crystal tide
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It is real

chilly zinc
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yay ill get to work then

fiery iron
simple island
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There are two

chilly zinc
ember quarry
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I have beaten ||pantheon 2|| and fought the ||the radiance from inside the hollow knight|| but I don’t see my %

simple island
inland shadow
fiery iron
acoustic sigil
simple island
ember quarry
unique flint
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I think you need to beat ||pantheon 4||

inland shadow
acoustic sigil
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nor in inventory

acoustic sigil
ember quarry
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So I just read the tablet in the ||black egg?||

acoustic sigil
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Yeah

ember quarry
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K thx

fiery iron
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@inland shadow what does || PoP || mean i am not good with abbreviations

fiery iron
chilly zinc
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i got the easter egg yay

round ferry
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||My god! The dream versions of bosses are tough as nails!||

remote jacinth
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Are you struggling with any of the ||dream versions|| in particular?

azure lantern
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What sharms do yal recomend for || panteon 1||

remote jacinth
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||Quick slash, strength, MoP/quick focus||

hardy grove
azure lantern
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Ye

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Only 3 are fragile

hardy grove
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Those are some great ones...

azure lantern
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Does the fragile break when you die in || god home ||

hardy grove
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No.

azure lantern
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Oh then i just use those

hardy grove
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Yeah.

crystal tide
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You may leave now the sign inss!!

hardy grove
crystal tide
#

huh?

hardy grove
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I'm not sure what's wrong but I will send it to you.

crystal tide
#

okay. . .?!

spiral light
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||can someone explain to me how to defeat the absolute radiance. I haven’t been able to beat this crap for 2 weeks now, and out of anger I deleted the game, tell me how to kill it||

shut sparrow
shut sparrow
shut sparrow
# spiral light ||can someone explain to me how to defeat the absolute radiance. I haven’t been ...

There isn't a trick to instantly beat the boss. ||Some advice I could give is using a lot of spells. Specifically your up spell does a lot of damage and your dive spell can be used to dodge many attacks in a bad situation. If there is anything you specifically struggle with you can tell us and we can try to help. Remember that it is still gonna take time though and won't suddenly make the boss easy just with a few tips||

shut sparrow
leaden briar
spiral light
gentle parcel
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Guys i have a question i have a cracked version of the game and i want to transfer the game data from a pc to another

leaden briar
shut sparrow
spiral light
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Thanks guys for advice

neat karma
balmy bear
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Can you get the ||embrace the void achievement in godseeker mode?||

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because if not I will do some very bad things

neat karma
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The issue is theres no real one.

proper frost
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I meant the legal one obviously

proper frost
neat karma
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No they did not

proper frost
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Wtf gg

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Yeah i cant read

neat karma
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Smhsmh

proper frost
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Mb

neat karma
#

S7

proper frost
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You said about legal copy and my brain implimented that into their message o7

livid imp
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Charm recommendations for ||trial of the conqueror?||

meager river
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||Shaman Stone, Spell Twister, mark of pride, grubsong||

simple island
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||colo|| is very different from the rest of the game
||quick slash isn't good as you don't need the extra attack speed while enemies are flying, get knockback accross the screen and die in two hits
for me nail arts and shade soul are peak in colo
so you want shaman, nail master
if you have it, strenght is busted, and if you have strenght having mark of pride can be good, that leaves you with one slot for either grubsong or dream wielder (you can farm the last enemies of waves for infinite soul)
if you don't have strenght, then you better just stock on soul with like, eater twister grubsong/dream wielder||

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Oh wait you don’t have one of the charms I recommended
No matter

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By the way, every time you use ||spells ||you should absolutely use the "||quick cast||" key and not the "focus" key
Using the correct key makes the ||spell|| activate half a second earlier, which you don’t want to miss out on

livid imp
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going to try Narwhal's build first, and modify if I lose to your recommendations

meager river
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there's something alluring about a sweet and simple answer, isn't there?

simple island
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Yeah but it doesn’t explain why it is a good answer

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(Also no ||nail master glory|| is kinda wack)

meager river
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I basically just said what I used and I beat it on either my first or second try. DtShrug

bright sorrel
simple island
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:3

bright sorrel
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cant cross those without an ability

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HK is a metroidvania, a common concept in these games is stuff being locked behind an upgrade

rigid mortar
meager river
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show map

bright sorrel
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u can explore ||kingdoms edge more||

bright sorrel
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or send an image of ur inventory, u might already have the stuff u need

simple island
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Oh yeah
You got the ||kings brand from kingdom edge||
You ought to use that somewhere

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(Same deal with the ||elegant key|| you have in your inventory)

rigid mortar
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

bright sorrel
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its description gives a hint

rigid mortar
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Yeah, just read the description of the ||key||, I'll go there

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Thanks

simple island
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At any rate, if you want clues as to where to go

  1. you still have a tiny part of ||fog canion to explore||
  2. each area has at least one item that makes you able to reach new areas (forget ||howling cliffs), think about the one that didn’t give you one||
  3. the ||brand||
rigid mortar
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Alright thanks

brave stream
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Any advice for ||Markoth|| in ||P5||? I got there for the first time earlier today and ||WHERE IS THE DAMN FLOOR!?||

simple island
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Haha

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You can practice, and should practice, them in the ||hall of gods (you have to play ascended)||

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But basically

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First off, play it safe, ||nail arts|| are amazing at hitting him without putting yourself in danger, but that does mean that you can be attacking him constantly, as sometime, he will just be in a bad position for you to be able to hit him, second off, ||shriek should not be used, use shade soul instead, unless you see the perfect shriek opportunity you are likely to not hit the whole spell, maybe take damage in the process, so going for double hit shade souls is definitely more worth it, using that you can make the second phase really short
Thirdly health, in pantheons he only has 680 health, that is actually really small, phase two only has 340, that is 4 double hit shade souls, so the tldr is, as long as you have ressources (either health or soul) the fight will be quick, as you can either trade health for damage and damage tank, or trade soul for 80 free damage, that said if either one of your ressources gets low then it is a big problem
So the absolute 100% consistent strat to beat markoth is to get very good at soul tyrant, and using the 4 lifeblood you get at the bench right before, that way you can somewhat easily get into markoth with full soul and maybe more than your max health
And then you use something like heart to get even more ressource and you simply beat the boss with sheer numbers ||

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Blub

bright sorrel
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stay on ||the right wall|| iirc

stiff prism
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how do i get in the ||garderns||? i did it once already but i forgot how

acoustic sigil
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Where you currently are is a one way shortcut so yeah not through there

acoustic sigil
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||I would guess from fog canyon||

stiff prism
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tanks

acoustic sigil
west panther
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can someone help me with how to unlock the ability to purchase ||Fragile Heart|| from ||Leg Eater||?

neat karma
#

Wdym

slow yoke
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u just buy it

west panther
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its not there to purchase as in the option to buy it is missing

slow yoke
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did u buy it before

west panther
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no

acoustic sigil
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Can you send a screenshot of the menu

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As in the vendor menu

livid raft
west panther
west panther
bright sorrel
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u should check methinks

west panther
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ill double check

livid raft
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This is crazy lol. Maybe one mod made the game go brrr

acoustic sigil
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What mods do you have installed?

west panther
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i could send a list?

acoustic sigil
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That is probably the easiest yes

bright sorrel
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a screenshot of the mods from the menu iirc

acoustic sigil
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But first go check on ||divine||

west panther
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which of the charms cost 12000 to get back?

acoustic sigil
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||Heart||

west panther
#

...

acoustic sigil
bright sorrel
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feeling fleacrying rn

west panther
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i uhh...

acoustic sigil
neat karma
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?tag xy exists in the modding server should we add it here too

languid radishBOT
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dynoError No tag xy found.

acoustic sigil
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Do what you can't resist

neat karma
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It brings up this

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"Instead of asking how to do something that you think will fix your issue, please actually explain the original problem that you are having. This is known as the XY problem, and in many cases by not explaining the original problem you will not only waste a lot of time, but may not actually get your issue resolved."

west panther
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does anyone know any good geo farms?

slender mural
bright sorrel
west panther
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can you do the ||Colosseum fights|| again and still get the reward? if not what are some other options

slow yoke
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yes

bright sorrel
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u can however that is a very slow option

acoustic sigil
livid raft
neat karma
acoustic sigil
neat karma
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That image wasnt tagged

slow yoke
bright sorrel
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it gives ||half of the amount that hoppers do||

acoustic sigil
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||hoppers ||give like 700/min

west panther
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welp time to be a fool lol

bright sorrel
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for ||trial 2 to be the fastest u need to do it at WR pace consistently ||

acoustic sigil
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||You do colo 2 in 4ish minutes, which is 500/miin||

acoustic sigil
bright sorrel
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ya it is very slow

neat karma
#

Bestie by definition that is NOT slow

bright sorrel
west panther
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how much geo does ||Colo 2|| give per run?

bright sorrel
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||2000||

meager river
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do I just keep trying to beat ||NKG|| or do i just stop for now and go do ||godhome|| instead?

neat karma
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It depends sometimes its 2k flat sometimes not

acoustic sigil
neat karma
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But its always aroudn there

west panther
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is it ever below 2k?

neat karma
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I dont think so no

bright sorrel
neat karma
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But the range is if 100 anyways

acoustic sigil
slender mural
neat karma
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Neither of the ||troupe reward charms are good i assume theyre doing it for the challenge or acvievement||

slow yoke
bright sorrel
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no it isnt

meager river
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I just want to fight him cause ||i want the experience for if/when i do p5|| and also cause i want ||The achievement||

neat karma
#

Yeah

meager river
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no idea what to run or do. i cant even get to first ||pufferfish||

acoustic sigil
bright sorrel
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u can make minor mistakes and still get in the 600-700 range

neat karma
#

There you go, minor

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How is minor different from "the faster side" ||with colo||

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Smh the bias

bright sorrel
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there are no major mistakes to makeseerpray

simple island
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This debate is pointless imo
||Colo is slower, but more fun and actually makes people be good at the game + it is easy to explain how to do it
Hoppers require a set up, you need to describe the room, and it is boring as hell||
Giving people both options is obviously preferable but it is quite obvious why ||colo|| is often recommended and it shouldn’t be deemed ass bin

neat karma
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Yeah ||hoppers is actually a grind, colo you atleast do soemthing||

neat karma
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Cuz like

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"Very slow" thats simply not true bestie

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Theyre both good options

bright sorrel
neat karma
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No need to frame the other like its bad and shouldnt be attempted

slow yoke
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what about the ||deepnest farming method?||

bright sorrel
acoustic sigil
bright sorrel
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||hopper || haters 🙄

acoustic sigil
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What a hk-disc argument

neat karma
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Were not hating ||hoppers|| you are making seem ||colo like a trash option|| bestie

neat karma
slow yoke
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right honestly no clue

acoustic sigil
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||Then I am misunderstanding what you mean by deepnest farming method||

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Because the one I am thinking of is for sure not afk

slow yoke
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||Im talking about the one where the flying worm spawns the things||

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does it stop spawning them?

acoustic sigil
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||The flying worms don't spit more than 5 so then you need to start being not afk||

slow yoke
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oh

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I thought it infinitely spawns them

simple island
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There is a ||deepnest farming method which can give upwards of tens of thousands of geo|| per minute though
But I think it isn’t really in the mindset of this channel

slow yoke
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how get rich?

trail cliff
#

How do you get this scene to happen?

meager river
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I think this is as far as i can get tsubaSalute

slow yoke
meager river
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I mean I probably can do ||p1|| if i try more than single time but ngl ||NKG|| drained me of motivation lmao

slow yoke
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yea the game gets much harder

meager river
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yeah i noticed lmao

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all i have left for 112% is ||NKG and the pantheons||

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I know I could just ||banish|| but i still need the ||achievement||

azure lantern
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Is this a glich i alr unlock || 3 phanteon but i never fought the god tamer lol ||

neat karma
#

Not a glitch thats intended

azure lantern
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K thx

meager river
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like how can ||trial of the fool|| be so easy when ||NKG|| is so hard. they arent even ||far apart % wise either||'

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actually I think I know why i found ||trial of the fool|| so easy. A lot of people seem to struggle on the ||no floor section||. But i had already done ||path of pain|| so that part was braindead easy to me

indigo halo
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guys does someone have save files ||where the flower is not been taken yet ||im trying to get plat but i dont want to redo everything

neat dove
#

: (

neat karma
meager river
indigo halo
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will that give me the achievement?

neat karma
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||delivering it and going back to her will||

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||she just has infinite flowers incase you break yours||

indigo halo
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oh alright

meager river
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||seeing as i got this after getting hit like 4 times. id say yes||

indigo halo
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aight thanks guys

neat karma
#

Also how would someone elses save work since when csn you transfer saves in ps

acoustic sigil
#

Please delete the image as it isn't spoiler tagged

shut sparrow
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please delete the image. It seems to be an image of a really old version of hollow knight. This room doesn't exist like that in the game but I believe it was what is now a room ||to the left when you drop down into fungal wastes from crossroads||

acoustic sigil
shut sparrow
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I believe so

acoustic sigil
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Well it looks the same in current patch

simple island
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Yeah they were answer in #hk-discussion or something, they don’t quite seem bothered to fix it

shut sparrow
slow yoke
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it just looks brighter

acoustic sigil
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And with fewer pixels

slow yoke
#

yea its not the whole room

spark yoke
#

What?

acoustic sigil
#

what what

spark yoke
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Why does it matter what the resolution is

acoustic sigil
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Allows you to see details less good

spark yoke
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Oh ok

simple island
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(They took it from a video, which is why it looks weird and hue shifted)

spark yoke
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Ok so yall js dont that the image is still there?

slow yoke
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we care

spark yoke
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Ok

acoustic sigil
#

Giving them time to respond before pinging mods

spark yoke
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You can remind them

slow yoke
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its like 5 mins

spark yoke
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Like ping or something

acoustic sigil
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I mean they were already pinged 4 min after posting and I told them roughly 2 seconds after posting

spark yoke
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But still

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Its not like we want mods to get into this

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Its only if we need to

slow yoke
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cat guy would have by now

acoustic sigil
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Yeah sure

shut sparrow
spark yoke
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Ok

acoustic sigil
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I just doubt they will magically come back when not having before

spark yoke
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Ok

acoustic sigil
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Okay my patience is up
<@&283547423706447872> untagged image

slow yoke
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that was quick

acoustic sigil
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Thanks not orange mod

plucky dome
#

@south rune please spoiler tag all content past dirtmouth in this channel, thanks!

neat dove
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how do i get ||the grub in crystal peak blocked by crushers?|| I've tried many times but I am really struggling

spark yoke
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You have to time your ||dashes||

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Try to get a rhythm going

neat dove
#

I've tried doing that. No luck though

shut sparrow
neat dove
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oh I'll try that

south rune
acoustic sigil
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No worries

shut sparrow
neat dove
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I was relying just as much on audio cues as visual so hopefully that works

spark yoke
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Good luck

west panther
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is the only difference between ||fragile|| and ||unbreakable|| charms that they dont break on death or is there something else

shut sparrow
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no that's it

thick wing
#

How do i find what i still Need for the ||Hunter's Mark?|| I'm 160/162 🥲

simple island
#

First off you should add spoiler tags to your message

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?tag spoilers

languid radishBOT
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🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (Charms, bosses, locations, etc.) to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

scenic egret
thick wing
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Sorry

shut sparrow
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?tag imgspoilers @south rune

languid radishBOT
scenic egret
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also i am a koala get the emoji right

neat karma
#

Dyno mentioned it before you

scenic egret
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trashno did not mention midmouth

neat karma
#

L???

neat karma
slow yoke
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is ||charm okay?||

neat karma
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Yes

scenic egret
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also apollo more like midpollo beevil

neat karma
#

Skissue

bright sorrel
west panther
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can someone help me find the ||breakable floor|| near ||Oro ||to find the ||training dummy|| its because im looking for ||Quickslash||

slow yoke
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its next the ||training dummy right of oro||

slow yoke
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its at the end of the room

west panther
scenic egret
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not going to the right place then

west panther
frank shale
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what is after ||hornet2|| in ||p5|| until the next break spot

bright sorrel
frank shale
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*after the break spot

bright sorrel
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its the ||1st half of p4||

frank shale
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ok thanks

bright sorrel
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so ||enraged guardian, lost kin, no eyes, traitor lord, white defender||

frank shale
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thanks

slow yoke
#

the easiest ones

languid radishBOT
meager thistle
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Iirc just ||grimmsong, troupe master Grimm, and nkg/banish (either works)||

alpine crescent
meager thistle
alpine crescent
proper frost
meager thistle
#

The spam in HK meme gaslit me into forgetting the charm name...

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I meant ||Grimmchild||

slow yoke
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yea me confused for a second

proper frost
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cryoclock

slow yoke
#

?!?!?!

proper frost
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lol

slow yoke
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cry o’clock

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I should have done that

proper frost
slow yoke
slow yoke
proper frost
#

holyshaw !!

south rune
#

||Do I jump down?||

glossy cliff
shut sparrow
#

can you please edit this so it’s spoiler tagged?

south rune
#

||How y’all escaping this?||

magic basin
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yall i need help with|| zote all bindings panthion 3 any things i should use and practise ||

magic basin
chrome shale
# magic basin yall i need help with|| zote all bindings panthion 3 any things i should use an...

||i dont know if youre good at beating gpz normally but definitely focus on jumping over his shockwaves, use ddark as much as you can, kill his mini zotelings as soon as they spawn, DONT kill the exploding dudes if you have the soul (waste of soul, also a bit risky, instead try healing or waiting) and definitely just practice him ascended/radiant and learn his attacks and healing opportunities as much as possible||

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||also remember you can do 1 binding at a time but id asume you wouldnt wanna do that||

magic basin
magic basin
chrome shale
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||yeah ddark is extremely helpful during gpz. also i recommend jumping and going above the zotelings and using dive on them too, or abyss shriek could work if you dont wanna go up||

magic basin
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||or just regulars||

chrome shale
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||great slash would actually be very helpful i think, it should be able to oneshot them even with nail binding if im not wrong||

magic basin
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okay ill practise later all this thanks for helpclownkin

chrome shale
frank shale
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guys im getting consistent at ||nkg||

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im going to do ||p5|| again soon

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any tips for ||absrad||

scenic egret
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try it first

frank shale
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ok thanks

chrome shale
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delete this image please, you can re-send it with a spoiler.
||this is a soul warrior||

steep belfry
#

sPoIlEr

south rune
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||Does anyone know who this is?||

chrome shale
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||lmao its fine, and also quite relatable, hes the boss i died to most in my first playthrough||

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||do you need advice to beat soul warrior?||

south rune
#

And my reaction speed isn’t fast enough

chrome shale
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its alright
||if he spawns above you, dash away as soon as you notice. he will usually walk back after this attack so hit him at that time. when he shoots a soul-ball, try to get the ball to hit the wall or ground (it'll despawn), and go back to hit him. when hes about to do his attack across the ground with his nail behind him (as seen in the image), jump on top of him and pogo him or get behind him to do a regular attack. using vengeful spirit is also helpful in this fight. if youre having trouble with his speed then try NOT to heal in this fight, its just an opening for him to hit you again. Also remember, you can always learn his moveset, speed and attacks before actually trying to fight||

remote terrace
chrome shale
#

YEAHHH

south rune
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||Oh my god that felt so satisfying||

chrome shale
#

lesss gooooo

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||fuck soul warrior all my homies hate soul warrior||

#

i love seeing that dudes corppse hollowcool

lean drum
#

how do i do ||absolute inferno king grimm phase 2+ flame pillars||? The chasing is spot on and i always walk directly into it

bright sorrel
#

not the channel for that

south rune
#

||Guess who just fucking ruined the moment?|| ||How do I defeat her guys?||

lean drum
chrome shale
bright sorrel
hollow nimbus
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|| hey guys i did all pantheon except hollownest beat the radiance in the real game but still can’t access the fight in hall of gods ||

bright sorrel
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u have to ||reach the fight in a pantheon, just like the other pantheon exclusive fights||

hollow nimbus
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||p5?||

chrome shale
south rune
chrome shale
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woo! hollowflower

lean drum
hollow nimbus
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|| and I mean normal radiance not the absolute||

lean drum
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only the harder version is

hollow nimbus
lean drum
hollow nimbus
lean drum
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i can beat chatgpt up any day

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how is this related to hollow knight tho?

hollow nimbus
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|| what’s behind the 2 gates in hall of gods then hmm ||

lean drum
south rune
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||I feel like genuinely uninstalling this fucking game I just lost all my fucking geo to this stupid shit!||

hollow nimbus
lean drum
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also how do you die twice

lean drum
chrome shale
lean drum
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||theres a reward for all bosses on attuned, all bosses on ascended, and all bosses radiant||

south rune
hollow nimbus
south rune
lean drum
hollow nimbus
lean drum
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anyway you unlock it by beating every boss on ||attuned||

hollow nimbus
lean drum
hollow nimbus
chrome shale
lean drum
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there was this guy that wanted to do every boss under 10 attempts then ||nkg|| kicked his ass

lean drum
hollow nimbus
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|| to fight her||

hollow nimbus
lean drum
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||p5|| is overhyped. Its just ||every boss|| and half of them are easy as shit

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you need to get to the very end to be able to open the gate

hollow nimbus
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Yeah but I don’t wanna do ||nkg|| again

hollow nimbus
ornate gorge
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i want to ask an advice for certain thing, but i am not sure how to hide it, as it's a spoiler

hollow nimbus
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Put 2 straight lines at the beginning and at the end of your text

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And it will be covered

glossy cliff
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you can spoiler text or images by selecting it, then pressing the eye icon

lean drum
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?tag spoiler

languid radishBOT
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dynoError No tag spoiler found.

lean drum
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?tag spoilers

languid radishBOT
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🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (Charms, bosses, locations, etc.) to be considerate of multiple conversations taking place. Two vertical bars on either side of text will tag it as a spoiler - ||This is a spoiler.|| > ||This is a spoiler.|| Alternatively, adding /spoiler at the start of a message will tag it.

🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

ornate gorge
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||I think i did it!, Thank you 🙂 , Uh my question or in need of advice is about the radiance. There is this attack i cannot find on youtube :(, i think it is stage 1-2 of her fight. There is horizontal and vertical spears coming at the same time, how does one dodge these? I have had hard time defeating her and i feel bad xd||

bright sorrel
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||it sounds like radiance is doing a sword wall, then it overlaps with a sword rain?

in that case, dodge the sword walls before they reach the middle of the arena||

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that is not rly too common to happen tho

ornate gorge
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||I am always in that scenario to be honest xd , i start the fight with 2 abyss shrieks , i probably fought her 20-30 times and i only tend to get to stage 3 when character starts climbing the first slabs -||

hollow nimbus
bright sorrel
ornate gorge
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||thank you very much for the information and advice! I will do that on my next fight :))||

south rune
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How do I defeat this guy?

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Anyone?

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Is the picture blurred?

bright sorrel
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its been 2 mins groozy

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based on ur messages, it seems like u have been attempting this fight for 15-20 mins?

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if u wanna ask for help u can, but thats like what.. 5-6 attempts at most at the fight?
imo u should try it a bit more before asking grubthink

south rune
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No just lost first try and first try was enough for me to ask for help

south rune
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But if you insist then

lean drum
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Poke at it a little before you come for help

south rune
# lean drum Why?

Because I lose multiple times or a boss sometimes and I don’t want this boss to be that but maybe he’s right

bright sorrel
# south rune No just lost first try and first try was enough for me to ask for help

some of the pinned messages say
"Don't Be Over-Reliant
The help channel is a nice place to be where you are free from spoilers, and that's great! But this game is still meant to be played by you. If you don't need help with something, you don't need help with it. Trust yourself. If you're feeling frustrated, we'll do our best to assist you, but try not to use the help channel as a way to avoid facing the game's dangers."

i dont want to push u away from the channel/asking for help in the future, but u should try to ask for help when u have done a few more attempts imo

zenith cloud
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is it even possible to open this door? ive been playing this game for years and its bugged me forever

zenith cloud
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very sad

glad sigil
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What is this if not a ||lifeblood door||?

crystal tide
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||bindings door||

sly rune
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You need to do ||pantheon bindings|| to open it.

glad sigil
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gotcha

crystal tide
whole latch
rapid rivet
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How many ||grubs for pale ore||

tawdry pulsar
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||31||

rapid rivet
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do I need to go to ||deepnest|| or ||collector||?

tawdry pulsar
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For what

neat karma
vivid fog
tawdry pulsar
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Employment crisis grubhappy

rapid rivet
# tawdry pulsar For what

well i dont want to miss too many i was just wondering if there are still enough ||grubs (for pale ore)|| without it

tawdry pulsar
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Idk

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||collector would definitely be helpful though||

crystal tide
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You haven't beat all the game yet Willie?

rapid rivet
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then where is ||love key (please use ingame map)||