archived-modding-development

[vocal spire]

For the others you also either have to add references or add “using x;” (x will need to be something else like UnityEngine) to the top of your .cs file

[indigo finch]

like this?
do I need to add also using anything? it doesn't seem to work on it's own

[vocal spire]

Yes but no

You can add references via selecting files if you right click your project in the solution view and click add reference, no need to manage the text (you also probably need to save the file since you did it with text from the looks of it). Also using UnityEngine; will be needed for assetbundles and using System.something (probably System.IO) will be needed for streams

For On it will just work since On is a namespace

[indigo finch]

oh yeah, I forgot to save the file. I fixed the Assetbundle too, but can't find the correct dll for the system yet

[vocal spire]

…

Those are already included when making the project….

Kinda essential to coding

[indigo finch]

🤷‍♂️ i'm working from modifying an example and it didn't have it

[vocal spire]

Could you screenshot your solution view

[indigo finch]

seems I had the correct dll, but I had to do using System.IO and NOT using System 🤔

[vocal spire]

Yeah

I said that

[vocal spire]

Nvm about this btw

[indigo finch]

I thought one would include the other, like in python or something lol
tried just System because I couldn't find a System.IO.dll

[vocal spire]

One dll can contain multiple namespaces

[indigo finch]

wait, should I just add all .dll's? is there any drawbacks to that?

[indigo finch]

does utiny ripper not work in 1.5?

[old bobcat]

do i need to get rid of the red boxes while making customknight?

[jolly oriole]

no

[old bobcat]

but is it gonna mess me up if i did?

cause i removed them all

[jolly oriole]

should, but afaik it shows which part is actual content in the spritesheet

[merry lotus]

@copper nacelle anything you ported the same way as ASCII camera, might not be ported correctly.

Mantis Gods on Scarab crashes HK, for same issue

[copper nacelle]

wtf i literally tested it

[vocal spire]

No, but a program called AssetRipper does basically the same thing and works

[merry lotus]

#archived-modding-help message

This is the user's error from modlog

I can't check myself rn

But it had that same hardcoded path

[copper nacelle]

that's not a hardcoded path bro

that's debug info

[merry lotus]

Wot? That's the same path it have me, but I literally don't have any part of that path on my machine

Like, I don't have a home account at all

[copper nacelle]

because it's debug info for me

the dev

[merry lotus]

Ah

[fierce star]

I cant code but got an idea for a troll mod, primal any radiance

[light zodiac]

👉 #modding-discussion 👈

[fierce star]

Ahhh

Sorry

[wet dagger]

herp

how can I FSMView Avalonia [BETA]?

[vocal spire]

?pins iirc there’s a link in the pins to it’s GitHub repo

[finite forum]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[vocal spire]

Nvm it is not in the pins

[light zodiac]

How can you use or download?

[wet dagger]

use

[vocal spire]

https://github.com/nesrak1/FSMViewAvalonia

[wet dagger]

not like I would find it

ok but how to use it?

[vocal spire]

After downloading, open the exe file. Click file, open scene, then select a scene, then select something in the scene. Alternatively click open resources.assets instead

[wet dagger]

what's a scene in hollow knight

those files called level?

[vocal spire]

A scene = a room

[wet dagger]

I clicked open scene and it crashed ;-;

[vocal spire]

Also you probably clicked open file instead of another option which opened scenes since level is the name of the files

Is your game version 1.4.3.2 or 1.5

[wet dagger]

it didn't crash now

ok I'm at zombie runner (wandering husk), now what?

[vocal spire]

Did you select it?

[wet dagger]

yeah

[vocal spire]

You can view it’s ai now

[wet dagger]

I'm in

Zombie Runner - Zombie Swipe

what's coward?

[vocal spire]

Probably a state

[wet dagger]

yeah but idk what it does

[vocal spire]

Click on it

You don’t know what any of them do, neither do I

You can view the actions for the state, aka what it does

Most have self explanatory names

[wet dagger]

don't remember wandering husk running away

[vocal spire]

If you send a screenshot of it I can point out everything to you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet dagger]

oh, I'm starting to understand it

is there a way to clone and/or edit it?

[indigo finch]

how do I like, get the current running scene? and then get objects from it
it's for a specific scene, so in theory I already know what the "object structure" or whatever is like. i'm just looking for the functions to actually access it

[wet dagger]

have yu used FSMView Avalonia?

[indigo finch]

yes, but only to view stuff

[vocal spire]

No, you do this in code at runtime after preloading the enemy, or you completely recreate it with code instead of Fsm actions

(Also my connection is bad so I might disappear)

[wet dagger]

alright imma read this comment repeatetly until I get it

is zombie runner (wandering husk) AI in code version too?

Cuz I'd like to find it

[young walrus]

no

this is the AI code

welcome to the wonderful world of fsms

[jolly oriole]

fuck those tbh

[wet dagger]

In that case, how do I edit them?

[young walrus]

with code

at runtime

[wet dagger]

It's like huh...

I don't even know what I don't know

what are the first steps to adding a new enemy?

[violet zodiac]

crying

[young walrus]

^

[wet dagger]

:)

[jolly oriole]

crying is always the first step of programming

[wet dagger]

but what's after crying?

[worn eagle]

working on a unity project that'll make creating new enemies easier

coming after ck+

[wet dagger]

I'm with an empty unity project currently

what'd I do now?]

[indigo finch]

what's ck+ 🤔

[floral blade]

wait what

is this like an AI programmer using your IEnumerator structure?

i was making something to manage enemies and adding them via code in Satchel , i do not do AI logic though that i leave to be implemented by the author currently

if you do make a nice thing for AI i can point people to it in Satchel too

[indigo finch]

what's the hardest part in making an enemy/boss? attacking? reacting to the player? moving in the environment?

[wet dagger]

knowing how to start

I guess now I just gotta code it though

so that's my problem

[floral blade]

hardest is relative i guess

some people find the code hard

some find the creation of a good balanced fun enemy harder

[wet dagger]

does any of you use the playmaker thing?

[worn eagle]

sprites and design

[floral blade]

i don't know if anyone does, you do end up modifying some FSMs using code ( as it's probably the easiest way to mod an enemy)

[wet dagger]

for me its the actual coding, if I only had to do the sprites them i'd love too

[worn eagle]

it'll be a project that includes tk2d and playmaker for people that want to experience the true tc workflow

[floral blade]

isn't playmaker a paid asset though

unless i entirely misunderstood what you meant

[worn eagle]

I paid for it a while ago

[floral blade]

gotcha i think i initially misunderstood

[indigo finch]

I added a sprite into the game but it shows up magenta/pink. that's a material thing, right? what should I set it to?

i was able to add sprite particles but I think I just got lucky on that one

[indigo finch]

ah, I had to get the sprite renderer and set the shader with sprite_renderer.materials[0].shader = Shader.Find("Sprites/Default");

[wise needle]

looking to mod a boss, have not ever modded a boss before, vaguely familiar with unity and godot, advanced javascript dev, but wanting to learn c# by making some bosses

where do I start, I downloaded mod api, but there I can't find like any direction of where to begin

not looking to do anything crazy but just thought this might be a fun way to leanr c#

[hardy stump]

Is there a value in enemy GameObjects or elsewhere that denotes whether an enemy will give soul on hit?

[tulip jewel]

you can read the game code by decompiling assembly csharp dll in hollow knight/hkdata/managed with something like dnspy or ilspy

with dnspy you can even make mods (non transferable but if you just want to screw around it's pretty good)
dnspy modding might not help you with the api but you can get familiar with the code with stuff like that
obviously I have no experience with hk mods tho: #archived-modding-development message

[wise needle]

is there no docs or guide or anything for noobs like me on just how to do some basic mods

[tulip jewel]

isn't there like literally docs on radiance.host?

https://radiance.host/apidocs/

[wise needle]

don't know, just got here

ok yes that's exactly what I wanted

awesome thanks

[tulip jewel]

yw, glad I could help

[wise needle]

me too!

[tulip jewel]

actually I should read it too,
I've been meaning to do that

minor spelling mistake moment

there appears to be another api doc: https://hk-modding.github.io/api/api/index.html

[wise needle]

yea that one I know about, but I needed a bit of a precursor first

[fair rampart]

Just a question because boredom
How are the pale court, test if teamwork, and sanctuary mods going?

[proven cipher]

https://discord.gg/WDwQzr7E

Head to this server for the most up to date stuff. You want to be working on the latest patch at this point. The above information is out of date.

[hardy stump]

a lot of damage to enemies by certain damage sources (e.g. Flukenest flukes, Defender's Crest aura, Spore Shroom aura, Weaversong minions, Dreamshield collision, and Grimmchild projectiles) don't trigger HealthManager's TakeDamage function. Where can i override these damage amounts?

[hybrid skiff]

hello

anyone here

[tulip jewel]

nope

[hybrid skiff]

hi

u here goldenguy

[tulip jewel]

hello

[hardy stump]

...are you there Bhar?

[tulip jewel]

‎

[hardy stump]

Dang it, I thought I could get by without it, but it seems I’m going to have to learn the intricacies of FSM

[fierce star]

How do you mod hk?

I’m wanting some help cause I’ve never done this

[primal latch]

?pins

[finite forum]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[fierce star]

the file did nothing

the thing I want to do but have no idea how to is changing the skin

know what file or something I have to click?

[glossy olive]

wha

[young walrus]

why are you pinging the moderators

[glossy olive]

oh common mistake

we moderate the server

We don’t do actual modding stuff

[fierce star]

ahhhh

[young walrus]

are you just looking to install mods? or make them

[fierce star]

I thought mod for modding

[fierce star]

install

[young walrus]

this channel is for making them

go to #archived-modding-help

[fierce star]

sorry

[primal latch]

How would I disable the effect for shaman stone? I can't use a GetBool hook because I need to know wheter it is equipped or not

[floral blade]

so you want to disable effect of shaman stone but make it have new effect ?

[primal latch]

yes

I'm making it double the fire damage

[floral blade]

i did something similar in smolknight using IL hooks, by changing the name of the playerdata float that the vanilla game requests

part where i change the name of the playerData thingy https://github.com/PrashantMohta/Smolknight/blob/master/SmolKnight/Patch/ILHooks.cs#L33-L52
part where i override the value
https://github.com/PrashantMohta/Smolknight/blob/master/SmolKnight/Patch/PlayerDataPatcher.cs#L25-L39

[primal latch]

thanks

[floral blade]

np

[indigo finch]

i used utiny ripper and ported the result to 1.5 and the game somehow "works". music plays, and there's particles, but I can't do any input. is there any way to use this for debugging or is it too broken and will only serve as a visual preview?

I did also try asset ripper but the scripts were too broken for it to ever compile. definitely happy that I at least have this to preview things moving

[tulip jewel]

the hollow knight main menu graphic & interactable menu are different scenes

at least with runtime scene loading i just load the scene called exit to menu or something like that to get there

[arctic vale]

What all can you do in the multiplayer mod?

[jolly oriole]

thanks mods

[cedar hemlock]

https://github.com/hk-modding/modlinks/pull/21 merge pls

[safe hamlet]

i am gonna close this pr

[jolly oriole]

Sid now on modding dev duty, since 56 left

[safe hamlet]

56 left?

[jolly oriole]

yes

[worn eagle]

barges into modding-dev
posts scarab
refuses to elaborate further
leaves

[vocal spire]

Shouldn’t use that for play testing/stuff like that. Also pretty sure you can fix the scripts from asset ripper? Could you show the errors in the scripts?

[indigo finch]

it said 999+ errors lmao

[vocal spire]

Wha

[vocal spire]

Could you actually show an error?

[safe hamlet]

my love is gone, imma leave as well

[jolly oriole]

sad

[vocal spire]

:(

Y 56 lev

[young walrus]

u

[vocal spire]

:0

[young walrus]

[vocal spire]

[indigo finch]

it's all errors like this. the scripts are very messed up

[vocal spire]

Well that needs to not decompile methods

Or at least decompile IEnumerators to be better read by c# compilers

If no one else will, I’ll see if I can rewrite part of AssetRipper for that

[indigo finch]

that'd be great in a general sense, but would there be any benefit for my case in fixing these when I already got the other one 'working'?

[vocal spire]

That’s stuff from 1.4, plus it might not update properly

1.5 has changed sprites, scripts and other stuff

[primal latch]

What happened with 56?

[cedar hemlock]

gone

[primal latch]

Does anyone know why? (No jokes please)

[jolly oriole]

left

[primal latch]

Does anyone know why? (No jokes please)

[patent zealot]

That's their business and I think its best not to interfere with it

[ornate rivet]

ez

because this server sucks

[primal latch]

Definitely true. I just find it wierd for such a prominent member of the community to suddenly leave without any message.

[jolly oriole]

had the server muted before regardless

[primal latch]

guess I’ll assault him in the monomod discord

[primal latch]

Spitting straight facts

[jolly oriole]

to the person who deleted their message: the part that i read

is there a resource on custom level creation?
yes

[tame bronze]

Oh, I re-read the pins and found it

[jolly oriole]

nice

[tame bronze]

Just need to figure out how it works, since I'm looking to make custom levels in a different Unity game and I knew you guys had that stuff

[jolly oriole]

https://radiance.host/apidocs/NewScene.html

[tame bronze]

thanks, that looks useful

[primal latch]

How would I go about patching the spells sfm? That seems to be the only way to remove the shaman stone effect under certain circumstances

[modern star]

question, does RandomizerMod track non-randomized items at all? i made a hook for GiveItem but it's only for randomized items

for example i would like a way to know if a geo rock has been broken if the randomized geo rocks setting is false

[proven cipher]

You can check player data

[vocal spire]

By patching it like a normal fsm? If you don’t know how to do that yet I can

[proven cipher]

Every rock is tracked on player data. I'm sure there's a way you can check for it

[primal latch]

I mean how do I get a reference to the FSM

[vocal spire]

You can either do HeroController.instance.gameObject.LocateMyFsm(“spell control”) or HeroController.instance.spellFSM

[primal latch]

Ok. Thanks

[modern star]

flib to the rescue~

[steady comet]

If you want to check when a geo rock is broken, I have some example code here https://github.com/flibber-hk/HollowKnight.Kronk/blob/main/Kronk/Counters/RockCount.cs

For any item not affected by rando, you'll have to come up with your own code for it

If you want to look in the save to see if a particular rock has been broken, you'll want the GeoRockData in the scenedata

uhh

[modern star]

mmmm I see

probably too much work for what it's worth, if i have to consider the other items/checks too

[steady comet]

I would say so

If you're playing a randomizer game but with some vanilla pools (like vanilla relics or vanilla skills), those still go through GiveItem (it's any "standard" pool, minus stags, that this applies to)

[steady comet]

(BTW if you, or anyone reading this, wanted to do this, this is some sample code except for PersistentBoolData rather than GeoRockData https://github.com/flibber-hk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/98033e0075a64d3f6b87482df8954ace961ec6a4/RandomizerMod3.0/SceneChanges/BossRewardReplacement.cs#L138)

[modern star]

are geo rocks a subset of persistent bools?

[steady comet]

No

The scenedata consists of three separate lists - one for PersistentBoolData, one for PersistentIntData and one for GeoRockData

But the FindMyState function has a separate overload for each type

[modern star]

well it's a start, I think for now i can try checking the state of everything in those three lists upon certain events

[steady comet]

Uhh

I don't recommend that

The lists only get updated when the scene is changed objects get unloaded

[modern star]

ah...

[steady comet]

Actually it might work for some objects, if they're actually destroyed rather than simply sitting there and only getting unloaded when the scene changes

[primal latch]

So I have a reference to an SFM state. There is a setint action that I need. How would I get a reference to it? So I can change a value

[steady comet]

Are you using Vasi?

[primal latch]

no

sfcore

[steady comet]

Uhh

Hmm

[primal latch]

Or just give me how to do it in vasi so I can yoink code

[steady comet]

https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Vasi/blob/c04a30341fd27eb84724a5165ad44c8cd376ee49/Vasi/FsmUtil.cs#L96

[jolly oriole]

fsm.GetAction<ActionClass>("stateName", actionIndex).value = 5;

the same in vasi

[modern star]

also funny aside, RMM originally used a whole .cs to parse the helperlog.txt file to figure out if a randomized item was reachable, when it could all have been done as a one-liner:

[steady comet]

Vasi's doesn't have to supply an index though

[primal latch]

PlayMakerFSM spellControl = self.spellControl.Fsm.GetFsmGameObject("Fireball Top").Value.LocateMyFSM("Fireball Control");
SFCore.Utils.FsmUtil.GetState(spellControl, "Set Damage").GetAction<PlayerDataBoolTest>().boolName = "Fyremoth.equippedCharm_19";

This returns a error.

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at SFCore.Utils.FsmUtil.GetState (PlayMakerFSM fsm, System.String stateName) [0x00000] in E:\Github_Projects\HollowKnightMods\SFCore\Util\FsmUtil.cs:59 
  at Fyremoth.Fyremoth.HCAwake (On.HeroController+orig_Awake orig, HeroController self) [0x0009d] in C:\Users\Erik de Vlaam\Desktop\Fyremoth\Fyremoth\Fyremoth.cs:275 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<HeroController::Awake>?-86123648(HeroController)

[steady comet]

Are you sure your state has the right name?

Like, capitalisation, spaces, question marks etc

[jolly oriole]

spellControl then is null

[primal latch]

dang

[steady comet]

When are you running your code?

[primal latch]

On.HeroController.Awake += HCAwake;

[steady comet]

spellControl is apparently set in Start

[primal latch]

ah

[primal latch]

Well, I got it working. It just doesn't set the correct variable. The bool name is still just equipedCharm_19

I might try using an on hook and the name of the holding gameObject

[light zodiac]

Did you try to set the name before spell control is set or after?

[quaint jay]

Slight gui issue in Scarab, can't scroll further

[primal latch]

Yeah. I already created an issue for it on github. But since 56 seems to have left I don't think it'll be adressed soon

[primal latch]

tried both

[jolly oriole]

where

[primal latch]

wait..

Did I only report it in here?

[jolly oriole]

apparently

[primal latch]

So I wrote this code:

private void HCStart(On.HeroController.orig_Start orig, HeroController self)
        {
            PlayMakerFSM spellControl = HeroController.instance.gameObject.LocateMyFSM("Spell Control").Fsm.GetFsmGameObject("Fireball Top").Value.LocateMyFSM("Fireball Control");
            PlayerDataBoolTest test = SFCore.Utils.FsmUtil.GetAction<PlayerDataBoolTest>(spellControl, "Set Damage", 3);
            test.boolName = "Fyremoth.equippedCharm_19";
            self.spellControl = spellControl;

            orig(self);

            spellControl = HeroController.instance.gameObject.LocateMyFSM("Spell Control").Fsm.GetFsmGameObject("Fireball Top").Value.LocateMyFSM("Fireball Control");
            test = SFCore.Utils.FsmUtil.GetAction<PlayerDataBoolTest>(spellControl, "Set Damage", 3);
            test.boolName = "Fyremoth.equippedCharm_19";
            self.spellControl = spellControl;
        }

And it does not work. Does anyone have any other suggestions on how to do this?

[mortal kindle]

Does anybody know if realtimeSinceStartup and RealtimeSinceStartup interact with RNG at all, i.e could a different value for either of those change how many calls are made to the generator on any given frame?

[primal latch]

It should give the correct value independent of everything

[mortal kindle]

was that in reply to me or part of your message

[primal latch]

to you

[mortal kindle]

Wdym by the "correct value"

[steady comet]

@primal latch I would suggest not doing it through the HeroController hook

On.PlayMakerFSM.OnEnable += ...;

private void ...(... orig, ... self)
{
  orig(self);
  if (self.FsmName == "Fireball Control" && self.gameObject.name.Startswith("Fireball Top")
  {
    ...
  }
}

Fireballs are kinda cursed

[primal latch]

ok. I'll try this

It doesn't work

[primal latch]

The correct time since startup

[mortal kindle]

Yeah but this is for TAS stuff

im trying to sync RNG on room transitions

so in this case I have two separate TASes which take different amounts of time

but they go through the same room transition and I want them to sync there

[primal latch]

I'm sorry, but I don't know

[mortal kindle]

no worries

[primal latch]

public bool IsGameplayScene()
    {
        this.UpdateSceneName();
        return !this.IsNonGameplayScene();
    }

    // Token: 0x06000FF2 RID: 4082 RVA: 0x0004D474 File Offset: 0x0004B674
    public bool IsNonGameplayScene()
    {
        this.UpdateSceneName();
        return this.IsCinematicScene() || this.sceneName == "Knight Pickup" || this.sceneName == "Pre_Menu_Intro" || this.sceneName == "Menu_Title" || this.sceneName == "End_Credits" || this.sceneName == "Menu_Credits" || this.sceneName == "Cutscene_Boss_Door" || this.sceneName == "PermaDeath_Unlock" || this.sceneName == "GG_Unlock" || this.sceneName == "GG_End_Sequence" || this.sceneName == "End_Game_Completion" || this.sceneName == "BetaEnd" || this.sceneName == "PermaDeath" || this.sceneName == "GG_Entrance_Cutscene" || this.sceneName == "GG_Boss_Door_Entrance" || InGameCutsceneInfo.IsInCutscene;
    }

Why is UpdateSceneName called in both functions? It only has to be called in IsNonGameplayScene right? Also: why is IsGamePlayScene a function? Can't they just invert the value of IsNonGameplayScene?

They could also change all the sceneName comparisons with a HashSet

[steady comet]

Strong recommendation: don't ask "why" when it comes to TC code

[primal latch]

true

[eternal adder]

why

[vocal spire]

False but sometimes true

The condition is the letter red

[jolly oriole]

my favourite letter, red

[serene dome]

Hey just wondering, with little to no programming knowledge, what is possible to be done with hk modding?

Like would adding a spell require advanced knowledge or would a begginner be able to do it?

My expierence modding games is just with custom minecraft behaivior packs, but those are pretty easy to put together, especially since apps exist to do the json formatting for you.

I am interested in making a mod that balances things for hell mod (while keeping the huge difficulty additions). One thought is to make focusing have it's own spell (I say the lightbring mod does this) and to have deep focus buff it tremendously.

But I am unsure on wether I can with my little knowledge.

[tulip jewel]

it's possible to install & run other people's mods,
like I'm fairly certain any way you're going to be making mods is going to involve coding

[proven cipher]

you can open up other projects and use logic to try and figure out what does what for simple stuff. I've been using HK mods to try to apply my very basic C# knowledge and made edits to multiple mods and created one of my own at this point.

Making a mod with its own new actions like new spells would likely require art.

Adding them in isn't so bad, it is more advanced than some other stuff. You can try to use existing code and edit it.

[primal latch]

@tulip jewel please refrain from giving useless advice.

@serene dome The advice from TamiJo is very true. I’d recommend watching some videos on c# and start with creating some small mods. If you don’t want to do that you could also find some other mod developers to work together with.

[serene dome]

Ok

[modern star]

anyone willing to help with modifying some existing sprite art? shouldn't be too difficult I think

[supple spade]

Which sprites?

[modern star]

I'd like the key/totem to have a bit more constrast against the background

[supple spade]

Do you happen to have a version of the background without the items?

[modern star]

no... but someone else might, I'll look in the meantime

I'm wondering if just adding a bit of extra glow around the items would help

[supple spade]

Something like this?

[modern star]

yeah! maybe even a little more, since these icons will be fairly small

[modern star]

that's perfect thank you

[modern star]

awesome, I'll mention you are a contributor

[supple spade]

Aight

Is this for rando?

[modern star]

my version of MapMod

[supple spade]

Ohh nice

[modern star]

hmm, they are still kind of getting lost on the map, maybe the items need to be brighter instead

[supple spade]

Yeah

Alright hopefully those work better

[modern star]

better

[supple spade]

Definitely

[modern star]

could you now try the same thing without the added glow?

plsss

[supple spade]

Just a sec

[modern star]

thanks so much man

[supple spade]

np

Can't take that little bit of glow off the key since that's how it was to start with

[modern star]

let's goooo

[supple spade]

Nice

Is that good enough?

[modern star]

I think so, thanks a lot!!

[supple spade]

Np!

[primal latch]

Turns out that I messed up patching the nail damage. I check if the HitInstance is a nail attack. Not whether it is a nail art. So now nail arts deal the same damage as regular attacks. This has been so for at least 3 months. Now that I have learned about FSM’s I should probably patch them directly

[light zodiac]

You can see glass soul for how i did it

[merry lotus]

@opal crypt
Link: <#archived-modding-development message>

||Edit, I thought this was #modding-discussion Sorry ||
Edit 2: This may not work on 1.4.3.2. It was created before GodHome, so YMMV

[opal crypt]

Thanks

[jolly scaffold]

Just a suggestion for rando mod, cursed nail should randomize nail upgrades as well

|| Then again, early pure nail kinda op ||

[proven cipher]

That messes with logic and has been discussed multiple times

[jolly scaffold]

Oh

[ornate charm]

Do the rando mod will be on scarab?

[vocal spire]

It will also #modding-discussion

[lavish vine]

you the warden round these parts?

[vocal spire]

This doesn’t relate to modding?

[rough pulsar]

hey what if i updated a mod AND changed its name

[light zodiac]

What did changing name affect?

[rough pulsar]

i don't really know but i guess it still would display the old mod in modinstaller and won't update the mod
eh i guess i'll keep the old name

[merry lotus]

You could probably PR to have the old changed, no?

Or if it's just Scarab it has a new name for, then it doesn't really matter

It wouldn't be the first mod to have a name change

[foggy sapphire]

Anybody here interested in helping me make an mmc modded boss fight?

would be interesting

we could make mmc actually difficult

with new attacks

dm me if interested

[rough pulsar]

Sorry can't help
I'll give a few ideas such as you take 8x damage compared to normal damage

[jolly oriole]

ferocious foes would like to know your location

[ornate plinth]

hey

anyone know where i can get hollow point and if its for scarab?

[proven cipher]

It is not available for scarab

[ornate plinth]

oof

[proven cipher]

It is only available for 1432.

[ornate plinth]

where can i get that?

[proven cipher]

The pins of #archived-modding-help

[ornate plinth]

ight

lets see if it works

[proven cipher]

Contains the installer and instructions on how to down patch

[ornate plinth]

ok

which pin?

[proven cipher]

Did you look?

[ornate plinth]

ok

i got modinstaller 2

so how do i get hollow point?

[merry lotus]

This channel isn't for help.
Please use #archived-modding-help if you have questions

[ornate plinth]

ight

i was just wondering

[primal latch]

Am I the only one who kind of misses 56?

[light zodiac]

DM them if you want to talk to them

[jolly oriole]

or you just have him on your friend list

[primal latch]

No. I thought about it, but I figured there is a reason why they left. It’s also not necessarily that I miss talking to him, it’s just that the modding community is not the same without him.

They are just such a core part of everything.

[jaunty oxide]

Silly questions:
I have used MMhooks in other modding but am really partial to harmonyX patching

Deos HK support harmonyX patches? Or only monomod detours? Looking at the template seems to function off mmhook detours is why i ask

[primal latch]

Monomod is the only thing the modding api supports as far as I know

[rough pulsar]

is there a github repository of enemyhpbar

(if so, what's the name of it?)

[cedar hemlock]

https://github.com/ricardosouzag/Enemy-HP-Bars

or mulhima's fork of it

[rough pulsar]

thanks a lot

i finally dont have to go through the struggle of looking up boss game object names

[rough pulsar]

update

i dont know how i am going to deal with multiple boss enemies (such as sisters of battle)

maybe add together their hp or something?

[cedar hemlock]

add together prob good option

[tulip jewel]

having an added together hp in combination with the seperate ones next to it would be epic

[marsh flame]

MODS

[foggy sapphire]

Does anyone want to help me in the coding aspect in making a new modded boss fight of Massive Moss Charger? If so then do dm me.

I want to make a normally jokingly easy boss into a fair-ly difficult fight that takes place over several phases

[fair rampart]

what mod is this?

[proven cipher]

Randomapmod

[rough pulsar]

there isn't enough space to fit all boss hp into one line in the user popout (the panel that appears when you click on a username/profile picture in discord)

[tulip jewel]

aw that's sad

[rough pulsar]

i might do something like how many mantis lords/bosses you have defeated in the fight

i added most of the things i wanted to add

[vapid lily]

epic

[rough pulsar]

i finished the update now and im working on the 1.5 version of it which shouldn't take too long

wait how do you implement global settings in 1.5

[deep wave]

https://hk-modding.github.io/api/api/Modding.IGlobalSettings-1.html i assume

[cedar hemlock]

api 61

get 63

it's on scarab

unless api 63 just says 61 in which case mb

[rough pulsar]

shouldn't it still work on 63

[cedar hemlock]

no, that's the problem

there are no changes but for some reason it needs to be specifically built for api 63

*to work with api 63

[rough pulsar]

can i still get api 63 from nightly builds

[cedar hemlock]

<@&283547423706447872>

[cedar hemlock]

download and see

[glossy olive]

yeye

[drifting glade]

Yeah we got it

[rough pulsar]

cools

is this

[cedar hemlock]

Just say yes

The window too smol

[rough pulsar]

finally

after hours of waiting for visual studio to load

ah, i gotta add options too

[vocal spire]

Kool

[cedar hemlock]

very kool

[floral blade]

vewy kwool

[solemn rivet]

what am I looking at?

what's this mod do?

[rough pulsar]

hold on

[jolly oriole]

discord rich presence i think

[rough pulsar]

#archived-modding-development message

[solemn rivet]

cool

[cedar hemlock]

kool

[pure nova]

Is there a doc or something similar somewhere listing the differences between 1.5 and 1.4.3.2 modding? I've been wanting to dip my toes back into it but I'm very lost.

[rough pulsar]

there are a few breaking changes in 1.5

ol version is in radiance.host (1.4.3.2) while the new version is in https://hk-modding.github.io/api/ (1.5)

there is a new installer for 1.5 called scarab as well

[steady comet]

Just off hand, the changes I can think of are:

• .NET Framework 4.7.2 instead of 3.5
• Modcommon (and SereCore) no longer exist
• Save/Global settings have changed (example https://github.com/hk-modding/api/blob/master/Examples/CustomSaveData/CustomSaveData.cs)
• Making menus is easier than before (docs https://hk-modding.github.io/api/articles/menu_api.html)
• Using modhooks means you have to do ModHooks.??? rather than ModHooks.instance.???
• The Get/Set player ??? hooks, and the LanguageGetHook, have changed (see https://hk-modding.github.io/api/api/Modding.ModHooks.html for info on the new hooks)
• The mapi is no longer being ILMerged, so it's made up of a bunch of files and you may have to reference more than just Assembly-CSharp (most notably you have to reference MMHOOK_Assembly-CSharp and/or MMHOOK_Playmaker to use On hooks)
• ReflectionHelper.GetAttr has changed to ReflectionHelper.GetField (same for SetField)
• If you're modifying FSMs without using a core library like Vasi then you have to modify transitions slightly differently

[rough pulsar]

i loooooove menu api

[pure nova]

Alright that clears things up a lot, thanks!

[modern star]

is there an existing public repo for what is to be RandomizerMod on 1.5 that I could look at, to prepare for porting myself?

[unborn flicker]

You're probably looking for one of these:
https://github.com/homothetyhk/RandomizerMod
https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.ItemChanger
I'm not sure there's too much in RandomizerMod that would be useful for porting RandoMapMod at the moment.

[sage relic]

I'm interested in adding an option to disable screen shake for QoL on 1.4.3.2. I did something quick on the 1.5 source as a proof-of-concept, but I couldn't find the source for the 1.4 QoL. Where is that, and is it open to accepting changes?

ping me with reply plz

[steady comet]

@sage relic
Probably here: https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.QoL/tree/296bbfb9201c0bc032d3805299937de63acf3c69
Probably not accepting changes to 1.4 for obvious reasons, but you can ask 56 IG

My recommendation would be to make a separate mod - rando will be updated soonTM anyway by which point you probably won't need 1.4 any more, I imagine

[sage relic]

I won't need 1.4 after both rando and plando are updated for 1.5

But I might go the separate mod route, thanks!

[steady comet]

Oh right, plando, lmao

[mighty chasm]

How would I check what enemy was spawned in the enable enemy hook?

[modern star]

according to https://radiance.host/apidocs/Hooks.html?highlight=enemy#onenableenemyhook the enemy is passed as a GameObject, you should be able to check with enemy.name

[undone flint]

When will the new rando settings like cursed mask be available, like full release?

[unborn flicker]

Most likely sometime in the near future.

[undone flint]

Alright, can't wait!

[jolly oriole]

oh, hollow knight update

.78

[floral blade]

did all mods break ? 😮

[jolly oriole]

nah, public beta

[floral blade]

alr

[light zodiac]

[steady comet]

[worn eagle]

what's broken different this time

[jolly oriole]

i have no idea, i don't read changelogs

even better, there are no changelogs lol

[worn eagle]

mhm

[floral blade]

clearly the superior way

[worn eagle]

it's basically just some code restructuring

variables to properties, name changes, == null returns to != null

[young walrus]

#archived-modding-help

[worn eagle]

also some new fields in LightBlurredBackground to I assume make changing shader params from the component instead of directly from the material

also hero parent becomes null on hazard death

revolutionary

[steady comet]

== null returns to != null
What does this mean, that they completely changed it from true to false?

[worn eagle]

instead of

if (flag == null)
{
    return;
}
func();

if (flag != null)
{
    func();
}

[steady comet]

Is it definitely not a quirk of the decompiler? (Or mybe they just chnged a compiler setting or something)

Well, it probbly doesn't really matter anyway

[floral blade]

so an if block instead of a guard clause

[jolly oriole]

EDIT: v1.5.78.11833:
- Fixed background blur for Low and Medium options when using a screen resolution that is taller than 16:9
- Fixed Low and Medium background blur to have the same vibrancy as High

[floral blade]

interesting... perhaps some new dev is working on this code and disagrees with the code style lmao

[primal latch]

It can’t be a quirk of the decompiler. There is a specific op code in the c# intermediate language for not equal

[hybrid skiff]

hmm

[cosmic drift]

Hi I want to get into creating mods with hollow knight can anyone point me in the right direction

[brisk bramble]

i like this icon

[modern star]

we can try to help you in different ways depending on your experience with programming, how much do you have?

and more importantly what do you want to make?

[cosmic drift]

@modern star i have very minor experience

[modern star]

right, and do you an idea for a mod you want to create?

[modern star]

imo easiest thing to do to start with is to clone an existing mod's repository and play around with what's already there, to learn how the different parts of the code work

[merry lotus]

This is the one I've been using:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879133769070706698/886318961023668324/unknown.png

||Dung Defender is one of the only Scarabs in-game, afaik. I feel like there's another, but off-hand, I don't remember who.||

[cosmic drift]

@modern star I want to be able to make a new boss

Or just practice modding

[rough pulsar]

PlayerData.instance.MPCharge should include only the current soul you have in your main soul container, and not the reserve soul right?

[rough pulsar]

progess

[modern star]

I think this code is a good place to start if you want to see how an existing boss gets modified https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Mantis-Gods
Creating an entirely new boss will be a lot of work

[modern star]

looks like it, MPCharge is main soul and MPReserve is vessel soul

[modern star]

i have a question, for two mods using the same hook what determines the order?

[steady comet]

If the mods subscribe to the hook in Initialize, then it's load order (default to alphabetical, I think)

So if you want your code to run first, make your load priority lower than the other mod's and vice versa

Actually it works differently for On hooks - the way those work is that for the second subscriber, the orig parameter it gets access to represents the first subscriber (which gets access to the original method). So the second subscriber can choose to run its code before or after everything else happens

[modern star]

Right, but with the On hooks it still depends on the load order to determine who is the second subscriber?

[steady comet]

Yes

Well, the order of the subscribers is, like, the order that the "On.Blah.Blah += Blah_Blah" lines execute

And if both those lines are in the respective mods' Initialize methods, then that order is load order

[modern star]

that makes sense, thanks

[rough pulsar]

subscribe to ModHooks.HeroUpdateHook

[jolly oriole]

like and subscribe

[cedar hemlock]

and comment "E"

[floral blade]

😮 who we spamming

except the channel i mean

[crude cradle]

hi where can i find the mod link to download

[cedar hemlock]

#archived-modding-help👈

[crisp cargo]

Why did I just read this as pogress

[naive crypt]

Alright guys. I asked in modding help and I'm sorry apparently I require someone with a bit more knowledge on the file parameters in the game. So the Hollow Point Glitch. The Fix featured in the pinned posting isn't fixing the issue. Heals are back to 33 from their old values, but I can also apparently heal at a rapid speed. I can get four heals off in the time it normally took two Quick Focus heals. With Quick Focus actually on it's coming out of the gate 0=100 within like 2-3s. What parameter in what file controls casting speed?

Is it even something normally exposed to the player?

Came here last of several stops so, please forgive the impudence. Been on a week long campaign on this hehe.

[light zodiac]

Could you see the save that was altered

[cedar hemlock]

send*

[cedar hemlock]

@naive crypt ^

[naive crypt]

Aye. My apologies. Didn't want to just drop it in. Had to step out. <3

[topaz wigeon]

how do i download the hollow point mod?

[naive crypt]

open pinned messages, download the mod installer

[topaz wigeon]

well i have that

[naive crypt]

Then on the list, Hollow Point shows up.

Install, restart HK,

[naive crypt]

Need the whole directory or just the user1.json?

[cedar hemlock]

only user1.json

and ping mulhima

[naive crypt]

@light zodiac @cedar hemlock

Thank you. Sorry for the weirdness. But just noticed a small % had the issue and all dead ended. Hehe. It's also easy just to enjoy it because it makes you pretty damn strong.

So might go largely unreported lol

[vocal spire]

Fast focusing? That’s a pretty known one (unless I’m misunderstanding)

[primal latch]

does anyone have a preload for the grimmkin nightmare for me? Feel free to ping me

[patent zealot]

Check trial editor

[naive crypt]

I reverted to a backup so it's all good, I was just curious if that feature even had a config parameter in the json.
If not wonder how it even got modified. Haha...

[floral blade]

🥴

[rough pulsar]

<@&283547423706447872>

[rough pulsar]

<@&283547423706447872>

[vocal spire]

How many of these are there

[rough pulsar]

2

[vocal spire]

(There was a 3rd one sent right before I sent that)

[jolly scaffold]

I have a few suggestions for randomizer:
-Colloseum geo(basic enough, might want to have it give less geo, once that colloseum is completed once, it will revert back to geo)
-Godhome pins (basically, whenever a boss is defeated for the first time, it will drop an extra item,(for godhome doors) and to unlock the doors, you have to collect what I like to call “godhome pins”)

(Godhome pins are just to make Godhome ending more painful, doesn’t make much of an effect on other endings)

[foggy sapphire]

NPC rando would be awesome.

Anyways

Anyone want to help me make some interesting mods?

A new side quest, and a couple of new bosses?

I've made the idea and the designs of the bosses along with the side quest plot and lore

all I need is a good coder, because I. am terrible.

so do dm me

[nimble lake]

why do i see this in this channel so often lol

[rough pulsar]

this chat isn't much active and i often visit here so i ping mods when i see em and sometimes mod pings pile up

[modern star]

for shop items, is it possible to have ShopItemStats.playerDataBoolName to reference something outside of PlayerData? How would I go about having my own bool value?

[modern star]

nvm I found it

[unborn flicker]

The easiest way is to just use Modhooks to receive get/set calls for your custom string.
You can also see this ItemChanger class which edits the shop fsms for more extensive control over items, but it is probably overkill for most applications: https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.ItemChanger/blob/master/ItemChanger/Locations/ShopLocation.cs

[modern star]

yep, I ended up figuring out that ModHooks was the easiest way to go, thanks!

[blazing saddle]

Guys I have a question, I'm going to attempt a rando run, is there some file In need to fix my game after ? Like the ak-47 mod or is it ok ?

[rough pulsar]

that question is suited for #archived-modding-help
(and ak-47 will break your focus in your save file)

[proven cipher]

A Randomiser run can only be done on a new file, and you cannot open it without Rando installed or else it will break

[sudden fjord]

where i

i

?

where is mod installer

sorry my back space broken

oh and wrong chat sorry

[proven cipher]

.

[fair rampart]

Are mods available on PS4?

[rough pulsar]

no

[fair rampart]

Thanks.

[rough pulsar]

they are only available on Windows, Mac and Linux at the moment.

[jolly oriole]

technically

[rough pulsar]

cries

oh you mean mods on ps4 are technically available or

[merry lotus]

Mods as in the ModdingAPI that we use, are only for PC versions.

IIRC someone did manage to Mod a console one recently. They applied a custom skin

[rough pulsar]

yeah it was on nintendo switch.

still impressive

[jolly oriole]

technically ps4 is linux

[rough pulsar]

oh

[jolly oriole]

i think

[merry lotus]

Aren't a lot of Console OS's based heavily on Linux? (Xbox is presumably based on Windows, as iirc it uses DirectX)

[proven cipher]

PS3 was, right?

Hollow Knight for PS3 when? 👀

[merry lotus]

But being based on Linux wouldn't changed the fact that the game itself is built differently. Like, afaik, the "Voidheart Edition" is just different in-general.

[rough pulsar]

Presumably never

[ornate canopy]

does anyone know how to change fsm weights for an existing ( vanilla ) fsm

[steady comet]

What do you mean, weights?

[light zodiac]

The probability of each event happening ig

[vocal spire]

If you mean one of the like send random event v3 actions (maybe also v2), action.weights[eventindex].Value = new weight

[steady comet]

Why do they have SendRandomEventV2 and SendRandomEventV3

[vocal spire]

they wanted to skip doing all the work maybe? It does slightly contribute to how the ais function, so a lore video might need to be made on that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steady comet]

But, like, aren't they supposed to do the same thing

Seems like 🍝 to me

[vocal spire]

Well seeing by the names, no?

Same idea? Yes. Same method? No.

Anyways imma stop using discord at 3am and force myself to sleep

Cya

[steady comet]

Well, the tooltip attribute on both of them is the same

[modern star]

the OnEnter for v3 uses two flags

according to DnSpy

idk what that does to the overall function though

[steady comet]

Yeah the code for v3 is more complicated (I was too lazy to understand what it's doing)

[jolly jungle]

They use v2 at all?

[vocal spire]

V3 either includes an upper bound or lower bound to how many times a event can happen in a row (v2 includes the other bound)

[jolly jungle]

I don't remember ever seeing it in use

[vocal spire]

Wk I believe

Maybe hive knight

[jolly jungle]

How did I never notice it in hive knight

[vocal spire]

Well imma actually sleep now

Bye

[modern star]

merging on 1.4 modlinks hasn't been done in a while, anyone know what's going on or am I just impatient/missing something?

[steady comet]

@modern star 1.4 mod development is being discouraged, so they're not really merging stuff on modlinks. If you have a final version of mapmod for 1.4 you could try pinging @unborn flicker (I think he has the ability to merge PRs); I guess it's a little awkward for something like randomapmod because rando is changing drastically so you can't really develop for it for 1.5 at the moment 😐

[floral blade]

This sounds like a situation where alpha build sharing (if one exists) and collaboration between Dev's might be usefull

[modern star]

yeah I'm not doing any more changes to MapMod for 1.4 any more, I did actually DM homothety to confirm my PR (to which I got a reply), but maybe homothety's been busy lately

[steady comet]

Yeah probably

[modern star]

[steady comet]

[unborn flicker]

Sorry about that! I do have write access, but I'm not really a contributor to the modinstaller, so I don't normally monitor it or merge pull requests. But since it seems quasi-abandoned, I went ahead and merged the map mod and debug mod updates that were pending.

[light zodiac]

just as that happens a new debug version exists

[fathom latch]

hello

[modern star]

thanks a lot!

[tiny widget]

[jolly oriole]

sir, this is modding dev, no spam channel

[buoyant goblet]

Do the mods work in "Windows 11"?

[primal latch]

Probably, also wrong channel

[arctic dragon]

hey real quick question, are ghost's horns included in its hitbox?

[proven cipher]

No

You can use debug mod to see the hitbox of various things

[arctic dragon]

awesome

i don't have access to a pc but this does make my idea doable :)

[vale bronze]

Hey, I'm trying to make a basic mod where the player has one mask, but there's one problem: The fury charm doesn't work. I did some testing in debug mod and I think the player has to take damage for the charm to activate. Can anyone help me out?

[young walrus]

glass soul already changes masks to 1 (so you can use this as a reference)

if you want to change how fury works, just intercept that and change it to always active

[steady comet]

There's also some code in rando that might help (Pimpas had to solve this problem for the recently added Cursed Mask setting)

https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.ItemChanger/blob/master/ItemChanger/Modules/FixFury.cs

[vale bronze]

Perfect! Thanks

[chrome spade]

where in the hollow knight sprite rip is the dung spore shroom particle effect?

[vocal spire]

<@&283547423706447872>

[merry lotus]

Aww man. I was gonna do the ping this time

[rough pulsar]

Did the message get deleted or did you miss the ping by 17 hours

[merry lotus]

Message was deleted as I was typing the mod ping

[rough pulsar]

Ski

Nevermind

Oh wait another one appeared here again

Ah well

[modern star]

does anyone want to help me playtest a MapMod for vanilla 1.5?

[light zodiac]

Me

[merry lotus]

I will if you need another. I try to give meaningful feedback when I test things

[jolly oriole]

more maps, as if additionalmaps and satchel aren't enough (/s)

[modern star]

🗺️
btw would possibly know why with additionalmaps 1.5, the custom maps don't show the second time you load a game?

i'd be happy to add compatibility if this is addressed, otherwise I might have a deeper look into your code to see why

[jolly oriole]

oh god

uh, i'll note that down, but i think i did test it (definetly tested it in 1.4.3.2 where i think it worked)

[modern star]

thanks! I'll have a look when I have time as well

[worn eagle]

speaking of issues with map mods I still don't know why inventory input gets disabled when manually calling GameManager.BeginSceneTransition

[jolly oriole]

easy, just don't do that

[steady comet]

@modern star https://github.com/syyePhenomenol/HollowKnight.VanillaMapMod/blob/master/MapMod/Trackers/ItemTracker.cs#L297

[modern star]

[steady comet]

(I have already been pranked by this bug lmao)

[modern star]

So I thought about a possible fix, which is to rename one of the duplicate named GameObjects + rename the GeoRockData, based on LocalPosition

... but they are goddamn geo rocks man, will anybody care

[steady comet]

FWIW they actually have different names, I think one of them is called Geo Rock and the other is called _Props/Geo Rock or something (i.e. its parent is _Props rather than having no parent) - that's how rando distinguishes them

Unfortunately the GeoRock component has no way to distinguish that

[modern star]

ohhh right
yeah I think the SceneData only keeps record of one of these rocks (ie. one of them infinitely respawns when reentering the scene if the other one hasn't been broken)

[steady comet]

Yeah, and breaking the other causes the first one to become broken even if it wasn't

[modern star]

I wonder if the SceneData entries change if the Geo Rock GameObjects are renamed?

[steady comet]

If you rename the rock early enough, then I think so

I can't remember when the geo rock sets the parameters of the GeoRockData, but you'll have to rename it before then

[modern star]

I'll give GeoRock_OnEnable a go

[modern star]

yeah this works

[merry lotus]

GeoRock% players will ping you when they find out

[steady comet]

Hopefully renaming the rock won't break rando

[fast willow]

been away for a long while, feeling motivated
what's the current status of multiplayer? i heard someone else started working on a separate mod different from jngo's
which one is the one people are working on?

[floral blade]

HKMP

[fast willow]

so uh, the one that hasn't been updated since jun 2020? 😦

[merry lotus]

Last release was a month ago, so.. not the one that you found lol

https://github.com/Extremelyd1/HKMP

[fast willow]

thanks

[jolly oriole]

do you mean quick map or inventory map? quick map just tested, loading into a save and directly trying quick map worked

inventory map also shows

[quartz roost]

Out of random curiosity, would it be possible to create a mod that just removes all the types of spider enemies?

asking for a friend who wont replay hk simply because of deepnest giving them anxiety

[floral blade]

i think someone made a mod like this already

[quartz roost]

wait really

is there any way to find out? I couldn't find anything from googling

I wasn't sure which channel to ask in since im not really involved in modding myself besdies using the modding api to install some

[fast willow]

#modding-discussion message

[floral blade]

yeah that's what comes up in my search too

[quartz roost]

thanks

do you know just by chance if theres a way to take the bg out of a specific area as well

im not sure if thats something that would have to be modded or you can just remove manually

[floral blade]

so custom knight has a swapper feature to modify random sprites which may work out for you (just replace it with a transparent image), or you could make a mod to do so but either way it would be a manual process.

[quartz roost]

Ah ok ty

[primal latch]

Where is the most up to date version of the randomiser 1.5 version?

[steady comet]

There's not been an official release (it's still got some bugs), but you can find the source quite well-hidden on Homothety's github

[primal latch]

Ok. That is what I was looking for

[simple frigate]

im new to modding can someone help me with finding the sprite files for mods
im in hollow knight data but where is the sprites
ping me if you can help

[merry lotus]

The sprites aren't just raw files anywhere.
You can get them in the #art-discussion pins, or use GoDump to generate them yourself. Then use the swapper functionality of 1.5 Custom Knight to implement them (or use them for a stand-alone mod)

[vocal spire]

Be warned the ones from #art-discussion are from version 1.4.3.2 and some spritesheets were changed updating to 1.5 for some reason

[merry lotus]

Were more than just THK changed?

[vocal spire]

Iirc there was one, idk

[rough pulsar]

waiting for 1.5 version of spritesheet zzz

[modern star]

For those interested, the Hollow Knight Modding Server has a new channel for information/development on VanillaMapMod on 1.5. Anyone can contribute!
#898429311294509096 message

[steady comet]

<@&283547423706447872>

😤

Thank

[elder radish]

Does shader graph work while modding?

[floral blade]

<@&283547423706447872>

[rough pulsar]

<@&283470606366801930>

[lucid needle]

hey guys, does anyone have any code that fixes that Lifeblood glitch in 1.4 where, for example, if you have 1 Lifeblood, and get hit for 2 damage, you take like 3 or 4 damage?
and if anyone does, would it fix instances where you have 2 Lifeblood and get hit for 3 damage and take more than 3, and so on?
ping or DM me if anyone does please

[vocal spire]

<@&283547423706447872>

[modern star]

@unborn flicker PR for MapModS update https://github.com/ricardosouzag/ModInstaller/pull/118

[signal shoal]

does hollowknight modding use harmony?

[stiff otter]

why am I getting these errors when these are my references?

im on mac

wait

how do you even access those dlls on mac

[stiff otter]

ok I got it all working except I can't use any unity functions in the code

the namespace has nothing

I've tried every UnityEngine.dll under the sun

[modern star]

the .dll files in the Managed folder of your Hollow Knight folder can be used to resolve references

[stiff otter]

yeah I did that, they are referenced but dont work

[modern star]

can you show us a list of all the references you have added

[stiff otter]

the block ones were already there from the example mod

Im loading some from copied files and some from from a bootcamp version of windows cuz I actually am on mac

they both resolved the errors but I can't use like UnityEngine.Object

wait

I think im a genius

yeah I needed to do UnityEngine.CoreModule

they should really say that on the wiki

[stiff otter]

does anybody know how to get the actual values of fsm actions? they seem to be set to super random things that makes editing them in code a nightmare

[light zodiac]

https://radiance.host/apidocs/PlayMakerFSM.html#editing-variables

[vocal spire]

No, it has its own ModdingApi that uses mono mod’s hook gen which is similar

[primal latch]

Doesn’t harmony use monomod?

[vocal spire]

we’ll we don’t use harmony, we use hookgen which iirc is not used in harmony ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rough pulsar]

what's harmony

[jolly oriole]

google harmony

[signal shoal]

What's your guys pipeline for getting content into the game

In the unity games I mod I like to make my game objects in the editor and export as assetbundle

[jolly oriole]

Then in a mod load said assetbundle with your stuff

[stiff otter]

for some reason when I multiply a variable by 2 it becomes some massive number

anybody know where mod logs are?

I can't find it on mac

[merry lotus]

?saves

[finite forum]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[merry lotus]

Modlog is with your save files

[stiff otter]

ohhhh

thank you

hmm this isn't what I wanted tho

is there a place to see all the Debug.Log() or something similar? I've been using the Debug Mod but it has no scrollbar and I can't see everything I need

[worn eagle]

Player.log

[stiff otter]

I dont have a file like that

in that folder

[merry lotus]

Debug's in-game log doesn't get saved.
You can go into your modding API global settings and change the logging level to 0, which will give you significantly more info in your log though.

[stiff otter]

I just wanna print stuff from my code

I might just create a new text file

[worn eagle]

Unity Explorer hooks Unity logging to mod logging and it's made by a very cool dude

[stiff otter]

its not for 1.4 tho

right?

[worn eagle]

oh you're on 1.4

[stiff otter]

mhm

[worn eagle]

output_log.txt

[stiff otter]

I could upgrade probably idk if that would break everything

in my mod

[floral blade]

nah its still player.log on mac

it's just in some other folder

[stiff otter]

neither of those files exist

[vocal spire]

You’re checking in the save files path?

[stiff otter]

im searching in the unity.TeamCherry one

[floral blade]

and ~/Library/Logs/Unity/ to get player.log

|| yes, i copied my message from modding help because i'm lazy||

[stiff otter]

to upgrade to 1.5 I would just need to retarget a different assembly-csharp dll right

[vocal spire]

You’d need some extra files that aren’t merged with it for hooks and some other stuff but that’s about it

Might need to rewrite some code

[stiff otter]

my code is like

nothing

[vocal spire]

Also you’ll need to target .net framework 4.7.2 instead of 3.5

[stiff otter]

the way im doing it is im installing hollow knight on a windows bootcamp and then referencing those dlls

is there a better way

on mac

cuz its annoying to switch over if I need to change something

[vocal spire]

You already have them on Mac

[stiff otter]

where

[vocal spire]

Right click the hollow_knight.app file and click open package contents

Somewhere there

[stiff otter]

I searched everywhere there

[vocal spire]

They’re there

[stiff otter]

I even did a search for .dll and nothing came up

so

[vocal spire]

Otherwise the ModdingApi wouldn’t be possible on Mac without replacing hollow_knight.app

Plus mods are stored there

[stiff otter]

wait my computer was just stinky

thank you

wait wait

is unity explorer for 1.4? or just 1.5

I can't find it on either

[vocal spire]

Either of the mod installers? I don’t think it’s on them

[stiff otter]

oh its not a mod

I thought I saw it somewhere

[vocal spire]

Iirc there was a version made into a mod

[stiff otter]

gosh this is complicated to install 🥴

oh

[vocal spire]

It’s just installing BepInEx with the non api mod ver

[stiff otter]

where

so I need to get thunderstore or whatever

wait thats windows only

[vocal spire]

It should be on scarab

[stiff otter]

ugh so complex Ill do this later

[vocal spire]

You should be able to just install it like any other mod

[stiff otter]

what is?

[vocal spire]

?

[vocal spire]

….the 1.5 mod installer

[stiff otter]

no

I know that

sorry

what mod am I installing

[vocal spire]

Unity explorer?

[stiff otter]

oh

yeah

its not there

[vocal spire]

Isn’t that what you’ve mentioned?

[stiff otter]

wait

nope

lmao im stupid

so sorry

thats why I was confused

it wasn't coming up cuz I was on "Installled"

[lucid needle]

hello. could anyone write some code that disables the "Withdraw" button on Millibelle the Banker, please? preferably for 1.4.3.2 but ill take anything

only disabling the "Withdraw" button, please. nothing else.

its a long story.

[proven cipher]

Deposit 1550g and that happens anyway

[tulip jewel]

may I ask what for?

[lucid needle]

so basically, we are making a mod where enemies do extra damage and have extra health, but all of your Geo is multiplied, all of this depending on what you set in your settings. however, there is a glitch with the Geo multiply where say, for example, if the multiplier is set to 2x, if you deposit 50 geo, then withdraw 50 geo, youll get 100 geo back.

i dont want to bother you guys asking for a fix for this so i thought the quickest solution would be to just turn off "Withdraw"

[steady comet]

Honestly it would probably be easier to just fix it

actually I lied

[lucid needle]

well, if anyone is open to it i wouldnt mind, but i figure the quickest and simplest way to blanket fix would be disable Withdraw

plus its a "New Game Plus" modpack so like, banker being disabled would just be another challenge angle

i figure the easiest way to do it would be get some code that disables the "Withdraw" button, then make a statement saying "if geo multiply is anything but 1, activate this Withdraw Button Disable"

i also know very little about coding

[steady comet]

Look in the scene dump pinned in this channel, go to the scene for the banker (Fungus3_35), and see if you can find the object that corresponds to the withdraw button

With any luck it's called withdraw or something

then just destroy it

[lucid needle]

but what if they dont use the Geo Multiplier? again, i dont know much about coding so idk what Scene Dump does

[steady comet]

Look in the scene dump
Look in the pins, there's a zip file called scenes or something, the dump is just some txt files

It's not used to change anything, it's just so you can see what's in the scene without having to open the game

so when you're coding you can just look in there to figure out what you have to do

[lucid needle]

ohhh i see now

ill dig more into the game right now

i found "Bank Menu\Menu 1\Withdraw" and a bunch of FSM stuff after it, but i also found a bunch of stuff like "Bank Menu\Menu 1\Withdraw\Pointer L", "Bank Menu\Menu 1\Withdraw\Glow", etc etc, what do i do with this?

[modern star]

you need to find the corresponding game object called "withdraw" and disable it

something like GameObject.Find("Withdraw").SetActive(False);
but probably only do this when you are in the scene with Millibelle
edit: probably requires editing the corresponding FSM actually (see below)

[rose tide]

hate to ask this, where do you find the mod installer?

[young walrus]

#archived-modding-help pins

[rose tide]

aight thanks

wrong channel too, my bad

[vocal spire]

That probably won’t do it since the function of the button and selecting it is probably handled in a different fsm

[jolly oriole]

Prob in conversation control or smth

[void burrow]

what tools do you use for modding? in VS code i can't see characters right

[proven cipher]

What do you mean? You can use any app that will let you code in C#. I don't think you can build using VS Code. I downloaded VS proper for that.

[void burrow]

The characters aren't normal

I opened CharmOverhaul for using an example

[proven cipher]

You can't just open a .dll

You need to download the source code, which is why you'll need proper VS

A .dll file is made up of many different .cs files.

You'll open a solution which will contain multiple .cs files to do different jobs for the mod

https://discord.gg/j4nsaQ7R

You can head to this discord which has a tonne of resources for this kind of thing

Including links to the github projects for lots of mods

[void burrow]

Ok thanks

[fast willow]

just how many hollow knight discords are there

[void burrow]

A lot

I think

[proven cipher]

Main one, speedrun, modding, racing, TAS

Racing discord isn't used much

[stiff otter]

for some reason some playmaker fsms dont have all the actions on them at first? Im doing a tree search on each spawned enemy through each fsm, state, and action but for some reason some states come up empty

for example, my code shows that the "idle" state for soul master has no actions when it first loads

im testing in the HOG if that makes a difference

I even tried waiting until "ActionsLoaded" is true

[primal latch]

Well, I don’t think that soul master is able to be idle so why would that state have anything in it?

[primal latch]

Did he really…… try to open a dll in visual studio?

[proven cipher]

I mean they did, yes

Because they are new to modding

It's not exactly a hard mistake to make 🤨

[primal latch]

Fair point. It’s just a mistake I have never seen before

[jolly jungle]

this made me want to check something

sad

[primal latch]

Aseprite looks for certain file headers to identify the image. Visual studio is a glorified text editor. It will open any file you give it

[jolly jungle]

looks for certain file headers to identify the image
yeah, sadly, most image editors don't like opening random file types

[stiff otter]

I checked the fsm and the idle is whenever it just floats between attacks

[stiff otter]

ok I fixed that lmao

does anybody know how projectiles work? Are there projectile scripts? how many different types are there?

[vocal spire]

Iirc they are just gameobjects with DamageHero, Rigidbody2D, some collider, and rendering components and have their velocity set by the fsm that spawns it. Some probably also have their own fsms. Anything near enemies that isn’t related to health, hit effects, or death effects is probably in a fsm

[stiff otter]

fuck fsm

all my homies hate fsm

thank you tho

this game is a pain to mod because TC added like 10000 things and everything is coded differently

[worn eagle]

PaintBullet is one of the few competently implemented projectiles

[modern star]

Is there any way to modify a member of an existing FSM such as boolName in this scenario?

[light zodiac]

https://radiance.host/apidocs/PlayMakerFSM.html#getaction

fsm.GetAction<PlayerDataBoolTest>("Crossroads",0).boolName = //stuff

[buoyant goblet]

Team Cherry has just released a new patch. Does this mean that the mods are not going to work again?? You will have to update the mods again??

[jolly oriole]

mods are now in public beta channel

[primal latch]

1. Wrong channel. Use #modding-discussion or #archived-modding-help 2. This is a minor update. Except for a few cases everything should continue working when you install the new modding api

[crude wave]

"DebugMod" and "InfiniteNotches" both work with the new patch. Those are the only mods I use so I don't know about the other mods.

[wide delta]

in which namespace PlayMakerFSM class is?

i already included HutongGames.PlayMaker, HutongGames.PlayMaker.Actions, and ModCommon.Util

[rough pulsar]

cool so mods aren't dead

[steady comet]

Did you add a reference to PlayMaker.dll?

[wide delta]

No

Ok

Thanks

Ill check

[rough pulsar]

is there a gameobject with the fsm that defines whether the scene is a dream or not

(if so what is it)

[vocal spire]

Idk about fsm, but have you seen hk’s SceneManager?

[rough pulsar]

no

[vocal spire]

[rough pulsar]

it seems to only have music control and uh

gg_music_control

[vocal spire]

Where are you finding this?

[rough pulsar]

i never realized godump existed so i made myself a fsm dumping mod

[vocal spire]

This isn’t a fsm, it’s a component

[rough pulsar]

OH

[vocal spire]

.

[rough pulsar]

alright 👍

[real yacht]

I have a request, can you make a mod where we fight the God Tamer without the beast, and replace the beast with 2 Watcher Knights.

[crystal adder]

Watcher tamer

[primal latch]

What kind of maniac are you?

[crystal adder]

Watcher tamer.

[primal latch]

Just….. no

[crystal adder]

Mod request: Replace every enemy in the game (including bosses) with primal aspids

[real yacht]

Watcher Tamer

Collector but with 100% chance of spawning a Primal Aspid in a jar.
In addition to that, make a 33% chance of spawning a double Primal Aspids in a jar.

[primal latch]

Pretty sure that exists

[crystal adder]

Oh cool

Amma try that

[primal latch]

Not sure where though

[crystal adder]

Eh

Not like Scarab wanna works

[primal latch]

What’s wrong? Also, let’s move to #modding-discussion

[jolly oriole]

<@&283547423706447872>

[glossy olive]

Thanks

[scarlet cypress]

So, I tried to produce my own Custom Knight skin over the last month, and I have realized I can't make sprites for shit

My Super Ghost Deluxe spritesheet wasn't worth continuing

[primal latch]

@scarlet cypress wrong channel. Use #modding-discussion for this since this isn’t related to mod development

[honest jetty]

nevermind, there was a scam link/ip grabber here but it was removed, ty mods

[prime urchin]

<@&283547423706447872>