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#archived-modding-development
floral blade
jolly oriole
yea, looks like it
steady comet
So something like if (ModHooks.GetMod("theothermodname") is Mod _) would be a good way to reference another mod without throwing if that mod isn't installed?
zenith hedge
Are mods made in Unity? I'm just browsing through the text at https://radiance.host/apidocs/Getting-Started.html and am trying to get a basic understanding.
jolly oriole
C#, but some custom content (like scenes) are made in unity, then loaded via the mod (c#)
zenith hedge
So it's just a C# script? Wouldn't that just be a glorified text document.
jolly oriole
mods are dll files, which get loaded by the mapi, then the mod does its stuff. Like loading a unity assetbundle to make custom content available
zenith hedge
And suddenly there are at least 3 more terms I don't know and I am reminded just how annoying ignorance is.
jolly oriole
so,
you have an IDE (programming software, like Visual Studio, JetBrains Rider or something). You make a project in that IDE, that project will be the mod, with its C#-Scripts. Compiling that gives a DLL file, which in turn is put into the mods folder and loaded by the modding api during gameplay
zenith hedge
So a dll file is the finished thing like how when you finish a making something in unity it all get's bundled into a single exe file?
jolly oriole
yes
zenith hedge
Ok, so all I would need to know is the proper terms to use to tell things what to do and how to structure it. So basically everything I don't know. 
patent zealot
If only there was a modding tutorial on getting started
zenith hedge
Are mods made in Unity? I'm just browsing through the text at <https://radiance....
If only.
jolly oriole
zenith hedge
Is it best to avoid having something get called/ran every frame if you can help it? I would assume that would take up resources.
jolly oriole
yes
zenith hedge
So if I'm not adding any new assets and just want certain things to happen when the player does a thing would that just be a single C# script/file?
jolly oriole
basically, but compiled to a dll of course
zenith hedge
Ok, thanks. Time to read a bunch of text and find out in a couple hours that my supposedly simple idea is actually impossible.
I have Visual Studio open but I can't seem to find how to make a new C# project. Is there something special I have to do.
I think I might have not had C# assets or tools downloaded. So I am grabbing whatever C# things were available from the installer and I'll see if that does anything.
jolly jungle
Ok, thanks. Time to read a bunch of text and find out in a couple hours that my ...
Other way around, most of the time it turns out to be shockingly easy
zenith hedge
That's good to here.
zenith hedge
Ok, I may have ended up deleting my entire Visual Studio installation.
cedar hemlock
_ _
zenith hedge
This is probably the closest someone will ever get to "Instructions unclear, accidentally deleted computer."
zenith hedge
That's taking up too much space anyway.
Decided to reset my computer and reinstall and it's now going through fixing protocols. 
This is gonna take awhile.
Well I guess I can spend this time reading up on hooks and whatnot.
proven plover
has anyone made a nail upgrade randomizer mod?
zenith hedge
If I wanted to do something with Soul Totems would SlashHitHook be what I need?
jolly oriole
oh god, fuck soul totems
zenith hedge
That's a strong reaction. Are they really that bad?
jolly oriole
you have to know a bit to make them work initially
if you want the source of the totem thing i made the other day
zenith hedge
What if I just want something to happen when I hit one but not necessarily do anything with the Totem itself? Also I'm just now realizing it would help if I say what I'm wanting to do. Then the experts could tell me how feasible it is.
zenith hedge
if you want the source of the totem thing i made the other day
Which one is that? There was 4 versions iirc.
jolly oriole
the one that makes it 1 orb that fuels 200 mp
zenith hedge
Ah. The best version.
Basically my idea is to make PoP maps less tedious. So when the player hits a PoP totem specifically it will set them to full soul and full hp. I was also thinking of making it warp the soul orbs directly to the player to make normal totems less annoying too. Would also help with lag if it spawns 50 for example. At least I would think it would lower lag.
jolly oriole
making inf soul totems only to have full soul: easy
directly to the player: would maybe only need to replicate what the SoulOrb class does
so all in all: you prob only need to tinker with the PlayMakerFSMs on soul totems (which the above source code already does, so you can take it as an example)
the additional custom soul orb class it contains shouldn't be needed if you want to go the spawn-50-orbs-route
zenith hedge
I was just using the 50 orbs as an example for if you're using it with anther mod. I was trying to think of a way to remove the lag issue of having a ton of orbs for people with worse pcs.
Also just is faster for casual play.
What about the Full HP part? Would that be difficult/complex?
jolly oriole
you'd only have to replicate what the SoulOrb class and the bench FSM do for soul/health increase respectively
zenith hedge
Oh, so I could just take or remake their code and just give it a new activation requirement. ie. Hitting a totem?
jolly oriole
the way i'd do it is look what they do and change the totem FSM to do that instead of having it spawn orbs
zenith hedge
That doesn't sound complicated.
jolly oriole
yet
zenith hedge
There's the catch. I was wondering when it would appear.
Probably slightly harder idea. Making it check if the player is able to focus and then not giving them full hp if they can't. This part is mainly so I can use this in Rando without cheating. Well, cheating more.
My first guess is it depends on how Focus is being disabled.
jolly oriole
i was about to say that that's simple, but the game itself always assumes that you have the focus ability
steady comet
My first guess is it depends on how Focus is being disabled.
Simply call the CanFocus function to check if the player can focus
zenith hedge
That's a thing? I guess the player can't focus midair so they would need a check.
steady comet
You can use dnspy to see what TCās code for that function is
light zodiac
<https://github.com/flibber-hk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/main/RandomizerMo...
Wdym?
zenith hedge
What's a dnspy?
cedar hemlock
should've said wdym wdym
jolly oriole
<https://github.com/flibber-hk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/main/RandomizerMo...
there is no canFocus playerdata bool and the herocontroller canFocus will definetly return false
light zodiac
Like how would calling herocontroller.canfocus show if rando is blocking healing or not
steady comet
Well, HeroController canfocus will return true if the player can focus and rando hasnāt blocked it
jolly oriole
Well, HeroController canfocus will return true if the player can focus and rando...
we're talking about the timeframe a soul totem is being hit, during the attack, canFocus will 100% return false
zenith hedge
Could I set the code to wait half a second before running?
wanton cloak
are there any good tutorials for beginners on setting up mod development? I'm specifically trying to make a mod that would alter spells and nail arts
steady comet
we're talking about the timeframe a soul totem is being hit, *during the attack*...
Thatās fair - in that case, simply call the canfocus function earlier and cache the value or something
light zodiac
Or maybe somehow try to get the RandomizerMod.Instance.Settings.GetBool(name: "canFocus")) value
steady comet
Or maybe somehow try to get the `RandomizerMod.Instance.Settings.GetBool(name: "...
You could do that too
zenith hedge
I would prefer it to not be dependent on the code of another mod. Don't want the chance of anything breaking that isn't my fault.
light zodiac
I mean If your building something around rando you probably have to depend on its code
zenith hedge
Rando was just the main example. Having it be universal would be optimal.
steady comet
Thatās fair - in that case, simply call the canfocus function earlier and cache ...
Or, even better, check if canfocus becomes true at any point in the next second or so
light zodiac
How much earlier?
zenith hedge
Or, even better, check if canfocus becomes true at any point in the next second ...
That's a good idea. That way the only way it doesn't work is if you are pogoing for a while.
light zodiac
Or maybe give player 33 soul, call function, give back original soul amount
steady comet
That's a good idea. That way the only way it doesn't work is if you are pogoing ...
Probably
zenith hedge
Can you just set player soul to max soul? Or do you have to do player soul + X?
light zodiac
You can set soul to max directly
zenith hedge
That would make it compatible with higher than vanilla cap. Do I have to set Soul and mini vessel soul separately? In the save editor they are separate.
zenith hedge
Downloading and installing take a long time.
zenith hedge
55% installed. I feel like this should have finished a long time ago but I'm just gonna let it run through. I don't want to risk messing it up again.
vocal spire
So I just updated hk and installed the updated the modding api, got some mods working but whenever I load into a save it can't find a hero ("Couldn't find a Hero, make sure one exists in the scene." repeating in player.log) anyone else having this or know how to solve
zenith hedge
Well, imma leave my pc running over night. Hopefully it finishes installing by the time I wake up.
jolly oriole
So I just updated hk and installed the updated the modding api, got some mods wo...
Normal, also happens in boomer patch
primal latch
So I just updated hk and installed the updated the modding api, got some mods wo...
This is because of preloading I think
light zodiac
Normal, also happens in boomer patch
boomer patch uses outputlog.txt
jolly oriole
and
light zodiac
repeating in player.log
cedar hemlock
also
zenith hedge
Does it matter which of these I choose?
steady comet
Yes
If you're developing for HK 1.4, it has to be Framework 3.5
If you're developing for HK 1.5, it has to be Framework 4.7.2
jolly oriole
yes, click back, choose class library (.net framework), then either 3.5 or 4.7.2 as above
steady comet
You'll probably have to download something from the internet to be able to do either of them
zenith hedge
Neither of which I have installed. sigh
jolly oriole
should be possible to choose though
zenith hedge
I went to the Individual Components download selection and it says I have ".NET Framework 3.5 development tools" & ".NET Framework 4.7.2 targeting pack".
Not .NET Framework 4.7.2 SDK though.
steady comet
4.7.2 targeting pack is what I downloaded, IIRC
zenith hedge
Should I just download all .NET things? Or would that not be a good idea.
steady comet
Well, there shouldn't be any need to
zenith hedge
If it matters on the installer it says I have Visual Studio Community 2019 16.11.1
steady comet
One thing you could try is to simply find the github for any 1.5 mod, clone it through VS, and then VS will tell you what you're missing
zenith hedge
Is all modding flowing (for lack of a better word) towards 1.5? So it wouldn't make much sense to make a mod for 1.4.
steady comet
Yes
zenith hedge
Ok
steady comet
I mean you can still develop for 1.4 - for example it'd be quite hard to play rando on 1.5 right now - but eventually everything will be 1.5
zenith hedge
Do you know of a 1.5 mod? I wouldn't know where to look.
jolly oriole
https://github.com/SFGrenade?tab=repositories there are 1 or 2, maybe 20
jolly oriole
https://github.com/hk-modding/modlinks/blob/main/ModLinks.xml for a few more, has gitlinks, so having the thing up until /release/... will give you the repo
steady comet
What does benchwarpfix do?
jolly oriole
When benchwarping into a scene without a bench, instead of softlock drops you into dirtmouth
zenith hedge
How do you Benchwarp to a non bench?
steady comet
When would that be necessary?
cedar hemlock
lots of times
jolly oriole
people tried to benchwarp into colosseum trials
cedar hemlock
mainly easymode
steady comet
If I have doorwarp, I want to be warping to a non-bench. Also if I warp to "set start" in rando
jolly oriole
usually the game puts you at like -20k, 20k and one way is i think hazard respawn with debug, not sure how viable though as you can't pause the game, so that is a nice alternative
cedar hemlock
you'd need to have a keybind ready if you can't pause
zenith hedge
Grenade? Why do you only have 7 followers on GitHub? This is a travesty.
jolly oriole
5, i'm following 7
jolly oriole
no worries
zenith hedge
Would the most recent version of ToT be for 1.5? I have the HellMod from the Radiance website so I assume that's for 1.4
jolly oriole
yes presumably to both
zenith hedge
Idk why it didn't have the versions you said I need. ToT imported just fine.
Although there is a lot of red underlines.
casually gets spoiled about end game stuff by looking at code
jolly oriole
oh yea, click onto the project on the left side, so it shows the contents of the .csproj file
then on line 15 you'd need to put the path to your modded 1.5 installation
zenith hedge
Where?
jolly oriole
when you click on the TestOfTeamwork on the right directly under the solution
zenith hedge
VS, why is there no line numbers? 
Found line 15. "<HollowKnightRefs>E:/GOG/Hollow Knight 1.5 Modded/Hollow Knight_Data/Managed/</HollowKnightRefs>"
jolly oriole
yes
the path in there should be where your actual managed folder of your modded installation is
zenith hedge
I don't have a modded instillation of 1.5. Or even the 1.5 mod installer for that matter.
jolly oriole
use this
zenith hedge
I have 1.5.68 & 72 & 75 that I can unzip from my archive.
zenith hedge
Do I need to compile the Nightly build myself? Because unlike the 1.4 version there is no .exe
Wait
nevermind. I found the Read Me
jolly oriole
it's the modding api itself, copy paste your .75 install, overwrite some dll files with the ones from the nightly build and you have a modded 1.5 install
zenith hedge
So does the mod installer (and the mods folder by extension) connect to all modded instances?
jolly oriole
i have no idea what you mean with that
cedar hemlock
the installer does not suppport 1.5 in any way
steady comet
Forget about the modinstaller, if you're developing mods then you're probably computer-literate enough not to need it
zenith hedge
Where would I put the 1.5 mods? Is there a 1.5 installer?
jolly oriole
Where would I put the 1.5 mods? Is there a 1.5 installer?
oh, manually move them in the mods folder for that installation
zenith hedge
Oh. I'm dumb.
jolly oriole
but they have to be in a subfolder, because new modinstaller will handle them that way
zenith hedge
For some reason I thought the mods folder was in the Saves folder.
jolly oriole
so like
Managed/Mods/{ModName}/{ModName}.dll
Yeah, I'm looking at my 1432 mods folder and I see my mistake.
zenith hedge
Forget about the modinstaller, if you're developing mods then you're probably co...
I hope this is the case. Although I am, quite literally, jut getting started.
I copied the files over. Do I need to boot the game once for it to make necessary changes?
jolly oriole
i don't think so, but just to make sure it works at all
cedar hemlock
the api icon you mean
zenith hedge
ap-icon
cedar hemlock
i don't think tc would call their own code š
zenith hedge
Why does it have gravy on it? I get the cherry but why gravey?
cedar hemlock
make sure you do a globalsetting wipe, mainly with customknight if you get it
zenith hedge
How does one wipe global settings? I think I have done that before when it wouldn't let the 1.4 installer work. Same thing? Or would it be different because it's a different patch.
jolly oriole
would be same thing
zenith hedge
Do delete this folder?
finite forumBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
zenith hedge
I was getting 1.5 modding stuff so I can test my mod and make sure it's working properly. Not many mods are made for 1.5 yet so I would mostly be playing on 1.4 until they update.
zenith hedge
One thing you could try is to simply find the github for any 1.5 mod, clone it t...
I didn't realize there was actually a clone function. So I just downloaded ToT and opened it in VS. Imma try using the Clone function this time.
I might be missing something but I don't think it did anything. It made a repos folder with a ToT folder and files, but It doesn't seem to be loading anything in VS.
Wait, I had to select the file and not the folder.
What exactly was importing ToT supposed to help with again? Because I don't think it prompted me to download the missing versions.
steady comet
If it successfully compiled on your computer, then you can make your own mods for sure
zenith hedge
It let me open it and look at the text, but I didn't try to manually compile it myself.
steady comet
I mean, notepad will let you open it and look at the text
zenith hedge
I installed the other .net stuff and this is what it says I can use. I'm guessing I am missing something obvious if nobody else had this much trouble.
zenith hedge
I'll probably just do 1.5 if 1.4 is gonna be left behind soon.
Ok, text editor is open. Time to read the Radiance page again and hope that explains what I need to do.
Is there an example mod for 1.5? ToT has a lot of stuff and I don't even know the basic structure yet. So trying to understand that first would probably be a bad idea.
jolly oriole
zenith hedge
Or even which file type to use for that matter.
There is the C# Project File and the Visual Studio Solution.
jolly oriole
vs things, making a new file while the solution is selected will bring you the new project thing, while having basically anything else selected will give you the new file dialog, with class (or whatever it uses for c# script files)
zenith hedge
Apologies, but I didn't really follow any of that.
jolly oriole
on the right you have the solution explorer, you can right click basically anything that isn't the solution, then with new -> add new file, you can add classes
zenith hedge
I'm not sure I am on the same page/window as you. I don't see something labeled Solution Explorer.
jolly oriole
zenith hedge
That appeared when I imported ToT. i don't think I saw it when I made a new project.
I just made a fresh project and this is what I see.
Maybe I have to enable it in preferences.
jolly oriole
uh, either under view or window there should be an option to toggle the solution explorer
jolly oriole
no need for that tbh
zenith hedge
Also this is basically how I expected this to go. All of my road blocks are solely due to ignorance.
Would you say the 2 video tutorials on Radiance is good?
jolly oriole
yes
zenith hedge
Ok
is bad modding tutorial pt 1 (and presumable any other parts) still relevant/compatible for 1.5 modding?
jolly jungle
What's the meaning of CheckCanSeeHero
What is it looking for
what does "seeing" the player mean
zenith hedge
Enemy aggro range maybe.
cedar hemlock
What's the meaning of `CheckCanSeeHero`
maybe enemies can't see through walls? idk honestly
zenith hedge
CheckCanSeeHero: No Eyes - False
jolly jungle
I'm in colo so I can't imagine a time the enemy cant see the hero
jolly jungle
CheckCanSeeHero: No Eyes - False
zenith hedge
If you're on the walls some of the grounded enemies don't path find towards you, I don't think.
cedar hemlock
I'm in colo so I can't imagine a time the enemy *cant* see the hero
if you're in the part with the platforms where the giant centipedes go from left to right, then if the enemies is on top, or lower than you they don't attack
jolly jungle
I'm looking at shielded fools 
cedar hemlock
well F
zenith hedge
The thin red ones?
jolly jungle
Yep
zenith hedge
Don't they just kinda wander if you go to the opposite wall and stay up there.
jolly jungle
I checked their appearances, there is only one time that there is any platform other than the floor at the same time as them
jolly jungle
Don't they just kinda wander if you go to the opposite wall and stay up there.
I'll need to test, thanks 
zenith hedge
Np
I once did Colo with Hiveblood being my source of healing. So I needed to find stall areas.
jolly jungle
Fortunately I don't really need the canseehero thing
I just hoped it might make things easier
zenith hedge
If you needed it wouldn't you know what it did?
jolly jungle
Like I said, I don't need it
zenith hedge
Right.
jolly jungle
What I need are the other things in that state
It just seemed odd that the ai needed to check this bool to do anything
zenith hedge
Maybe it's so they don't try and hit you through a wall even if your in aggro range.
jolly jungle
Aight I got it
It checks if we're above their hitbox, like you said
If you're on the walls some of the grounded enemies don't path find towards you, I don't think.
This is what it causes
zenith hedge
Neat
jolly jungle
Yeah, they just start wandering around with a generic walker
once you slide down to the height of the top border of their detection hitbox, they suddenly turn around and start walking towards you
jolly oriole
is bad modding tutorial pt 1 (and presumable any other parts) still relevant/com...
Should be
zenith hedge
Well my pc decided to become a paperweight again. So I'm waiting on it to re boot.
jolly oriole
btw mandar1jn, i bet a few of them won't even work
jolly oriole
a few of the mods, because of your comment
primal latch
What comment?
jolly oriole
primal latch
Ah. That. Didnāt you test them,
I just commented because where you say a few I see a lot
jolly oriole
i do test them, but i didn't yet check if they work for others as well
primal latch
Ok
zenith hedge
Can SlashHitHook be used to tell what specifically the nail hit?
Do I need to manually make a Mods folder for my 1.5 modded instance?
jolly jungle
Can I do Instantiate(transform.Find("Attack Range").gameObject) to create a copy of a gameobject?
jolly oriole
great, achievements broke again
jolly jungle
good luck fixing them
jolly oriole
that's easy
jolly jungle
or is it something else you need to fix that caused them to break?
jolly oriole
i just have to repair my gog installation, so my copied 1.5 modded (and vanilla) installations work again
jolly jungle
Can SlashHitHook be used to tell what specifically the nail hit?
Seems so
zenith hedge
Cool
jolly jungle
zenith hedge
Also real nice of the tutorial to use keyboard shortcuts without saying what they are.
jolly jungle
So I'd say so
jolly jungle
Also real nice of the tutorial to use keyboard shortcuts without saying what the...
Which tutorial are you following?
zenith hedge
jolly oriole
i just have to repair my gog installation, so my copied 1.5 modded (and vanilla)...
yep, that did fix it
zenith hedge
Any idea what this warning box thing means? I think it means that I don't know something again.
steady comet
If you try to do Modhooks.Instance.???, instead do Modhooks.???
zenith hedge
That fixed it, thanks.
Error: Expects ; and } at line 16
Me: deletes ; that's already there
Error: Expects ; at line 16
Me: Adds back ; in the same spot
No Errors
light zodiac
Modhooks.instance = 1.4
Mod hooks. = 1.5
zenith hedge
Oh, what i would give for a 3rd monitor. Too many things, not enough screen space.
I improved the visuals.
How to add the Search window in dnSpy?
cedar hemlock
Modhooks.instance = 1.4
Mod hooks. = 1.5
the space 
zenith hedge
How to add the Search window in dnSpy?
Found it
Anyone know what's wrong here? I have it typed how 56 does and added the references they said to. I also tried without Instance and it still says there is an error.
worn eagle
i
steady comet
For these sorts of things, there's a cool trick that Visual Studio has. If you type HeroController. and then press tab, it'll give you a window where you can see the list of options of things that can come next
zenith hedge
i
Next time please use more words so I understand you are giving me the answer i need.
But for 1.5 do I need to manually make the Mod folder? Because I currently don't have one.
jolly oriole
Next time please use more words so I understand you are giving me the answer i n...
instance
zenith hedge
Thank you.
zenith hedge
But for 1.5 do I need to manually make the Mod folder? Because I currently don't...
?
jolly oriole
ig yes
zenith hedge
Ok, and iirc you said the mod needs to be in a sub folder with the same name as the mod.
jolly oriole
name of the folder doesn't really matter, just for easier manual management
zenith hedge
Ok
Well, the Modding API is there now. Not my test mod though.
My mod does appear when not in the sub folder.
jolly oriole
My mod does appear when not in the sub folder.
@fickle sparrow is the nightly build link pinned still the right one?
zenith hedge
Ayy, mod works. I am officially a programmer.
Everything in this tutorial breaks due to formatting updates.
cedar hemlock
https://hk-modding.github.io/api/ is more for 1.5, but is alot harder to understand
zenith hedge
Yeah, that's probably not gonna be much help. Having the compilation of terms does nothing if i don't already know what those terms are.
zenith hedge
Well, at least I'm figuring some things out.
Coding is a multi thousand piece puzzle and every piece fits together and they only tell you something is wrong after you try things. I hate this so much. But it's great if you actually know what your doing. Sadly that is not me.
Even reading through Grenades BetterTotems mod I can barely follow. Ugg.
I just realized this is simply pure ignorance. I have to have a tutorial/help to be able to do anything. Because I don't know anything.
jolly jungle
Well, at least I'm figuring some things out.
what in the heavens below did you do
jolly jungle
Coding is a multi thousand piece puzzle and every piece fits together and they o...
dw about getting all the pieces to fit immediately; do it in small runs to check every few new lines you add
zenith hedge
what in the heavens below did you do
I took the code from the tutorial and changed it. When the journal updates ie: something dies, it adds 200 soul to the player.
jolly jungle
Ohhh
That explains it
It seems to not fill in the soul that was used for casting the spell that did the kill
zenith hedge
It does. It's just a visual bug.
Same thing happens if you Dnail an enemy when Gwomb spawns.
zenith hedge
dw about getting all the pieces to fit immediately; do it in small runs to check...
Maybe I'll try making a couple small mods before I do things I actually want to do. For practice.
As dumb as it may sound I don't want to ask a bunch of questions as I feel that might get annoying. But I also know you don't learn anything by not asking questions.
jolly oriole
i screw up my unity scene, built it and now i can't ctrl+z
jolly oriole
of course not
so now i'm setting z values of like 300 gameobjects according to their spriterenderers layer order
zenith hedge
Ouch, I hate when big losses like that happen.
zenith hedge
Foggy Totem
Couldn't you use data from a prior build and just use that so you don't have to place everything manually again?
jolly oriole
meh, i'll just do it now, but organized
before it was like "yea, this a bit more to the screen, this a bit behind"
zenith hedge
One benefit to being forced to redo things is nearly every time it gets upgraded.
jolly jungle
Maybe I'll try making a couple small mods before I do things I actually want to ...
That's the other tip I'd give 
At some point, for me, I just slid into a project while doing random practice junk
And now I have a comfy colosseum mod I'm working on when all I was doing at the start was practicing things to mod crystal peaks
wanton cloak
how would I replace spells with custom made spells?
I dont understand how to use spellControl
zenith hedge
And now I have a comfy colosseum mod I'm working on when all I was doing at the ...
Crystal Peaks you say?
makes Lazer Miners shoot EGuardian beams
vocal spire
how would I replace spells with custom made spells?
Use a fsmutilās extension methods to change what the states in the spell control fsm do
one day Iāll make that fsm modding tutorial
wanton cloak
Use a fsmutilās extension methods to change what the states in the spell control...
aight Ill look into that
ty
just got into hk modding so Im a bit confused on everything especially since the documentation is limited and there are few tutorials
vocal spire
Youāll probably benefit from looking at other modsā source code after reading the documentation
If there is public source code then itās probably on GitHub
For fsms I suggest looking at fsms in fsmviewer and looking at a boss mod that edits that fsm (excluding inferno king Grimm and corrupted kin since they completely recreate the boss)
Imma go now, if you need anything from me feel free to ping
strong cosmos
Hello again. Is there anybody around who'd be willing/able to assist me with modifying the Bonfire mod?
I'm 80% certain I know where I need to make modification(between two separate areas, but w/e), but I don't know what exact numbers I'd need to change and what I'd need to change them to
jolly oriole
also funny, using sorting layers, it's also possible to have a sprite be rendered in front of basically everything else from HK, yet have a z position of 900, making it also technically be behind everything
primal latch
That is also how FPS games render guns
zenith hedge
Might try and make a fast Millibelle mod.
Doesn't sound too complicated.
Player hit her
Check bank total
Is greater than 0?
If yes set player geo to player geo + (Bank total + 24)
Set bank total to 0
If no return
jolly oriole
Why 24?
jolly oriole
my achievements broke again, maybe because gog isn't signed in???
merry lotus
my achievements broke again, maybe because gog isn't signed in???
Yeah, if you launch the Galaxy install, without Galaxy being turned-on/signed in, then every time you bench it'll give you all Achievements.
jolly oriole
best part: you can then repair your game and it does download something, despite nothing being changed according to git
(yes, i did git commit my entire hk installation for that)
zenith hedge
Why 24?
Isn't the rng bonus 24 because a big geo can spawn as the last geo instead of a small geo?
merry lotus
Isn't the rng bonus 24 because a big geo can spawn as the last geo instead of a ...
I thought it was a flat increase of ~20%? Maybe that was bad info though. I've never cared enough to look into more.
jolly oriole
milibelle spawns in waves of
6-10 small
1-5 medium
0-2 large
all at once before checking the bank total again
giving up to 84 extra
jolly oriole
yes
steady comet
Might try and make a fast Millibelle mod.
Doesn't sound too complicated.
Player...
I think this seems like a fairly good introductory project
zenith hedge
Is there any tutorials about the general structure of the code and how/what can call things? Or would that just be a general C# tutorial and substitute HK "classes" or whatever the terms are.
steady comet
I think it's easiest to look at example mods
Like, if you can find a mod that does something simple, and look at how it does it, then that would help
I'll see if I can find an example
zenith hedge
So don't look at the code of Rando, got it.
steady comet
I think this is a really good example mod for 1.4, I think we'll need to bully @unborn flicker into updating it for 1.5 though https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.InfiniteNotches/blob/master/InfiniteNotches/InfiniteNotches.cs
zenith hedge
casually updates it myself /j
jolly oriole
millibelle payout is entirely FSM though
zenith hedge
Wouldn't infinite Notches just be setting total Notches to the 32 bit integer limit?
steady comet
Well, there's the number of notches in the save data, and the number of notches that the game sees whenever it asks for the total notch count
Look at the code
zenith hedge
I'll do that after I get off work.
steady comet
It's quite well-commented
zenith hedge
Nice, I like me some good explanations.
Also thanks for the reminder. I should put comments in my code.
steady comet
millibelle payout is entirely FSM though
Maybe you're right and fsm modification isn't the best for an introductory project š¤·
zenith hedge
FSM acronym meaning please.
unborn flicker
I think this is a really good example mod for 1.4, I think we'll need to bully <...
I'll push an update in an hour or so.
zenith hedge
Bully completed successfully.
jolly oriole
FSM acronym meaning please.
this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/671443633253384225/The_Hollow_Knight.png
zenith hedge
I remember what it looks like, just didn't know if it had an actual name.
Is this the entirety of THK's ai? Or something else.
jolly oriole
yes
unborn flicker
Finite State Machine. It's a concept in theoretical computer science, but in practice FSM is used here to refer to an implementation by Playmaker for Unity.
zenith hedge
yes
Please show MMC for comparison. That would be hilarious.
But breaks over, chat later.
jolly oriole
pale current
would it be crazy to use vs code to make hk mods?
primal latch
No
ornate rivet
oh my god that's insane
pale current
is there any documentation of ModCommon anywhere?
vocal spire
No tmk
Most stuff is pretty self explanatory though
At least the stuff usually used
ornate rivet
what do you need modcommon for
pale current
no idea bc idk what it does, I'm just starting out and I'm curious what it can do
vocal spire
Itās a ācoreā/dependency mod. It has a bunch of useful features you can use in your mod if you reference it, it includes: the obligatory fsmutil, a bunch more useful stuff that idk since itās been a bit since Iāve used it since I have my own core mod
primal latch
Most people have steered away from modcommon recently. IDK why
Because sfcore had the same and more?
ornate rivet
looking good
mild pecan
Does anyone want to make a skin for the Grimmchild, one that makes it look exactly like a primal aspid? I tried, but I cannot get it figured out.
I know what I'm supposed to do, I just don't have the skills needed.
crude wave
Have you updated the mods for version 1.5?
mild pecan
Mods are compatible with 1.5 now?
steady comet
@crude wave
crude wave
<@!863617937825595412>
That's ridiculous. Why would you do such a stupid thing?
cedar hemlock
lmao
oh wait i can just
here is your api
you'll have to compile and get the mods for it yourself
oh and also install it yourself
gl
mild pecan
Primal aspid Grimmchild?
patent zealot
thats a thing already i think
somewhere there? cant remember
Ok yeah, it's called aspid child, just use custom knight and u have it
also we should continue to #modding-discussion
zenith hedge
This is more complicated than I was anticipating. Mossy Control be wild.
jolly oriole
rip that guy that just got banned
pale current
Does anyone know where the MP Cost variable is set in the Knight-Spell Control FSM? I've been hunting for a while but can't find it, I feel like it should be somewhere related to Spell Twister but can't see anything that refers to Spell Twister or charm 33
pale current
yeah I looked in ilspy too but can't find anything there either
jolly oriole
charm effects - set spell cost
pale current
aha tysm
pale current
Is there something special I need to do to add a dependency to my mod? I want to use FsmUtil from SFCore or ModCommon
pale current
import?
vocal spire
I think saleh means add a
using NamespaceOfFsmUtil
Maybe since I think you do something with import as the equivalent in python?
dark wigeon
ayy got some bug fixes for avalonia merged in finally
should fix some crashes on fsm viewer avalonia
light zodiac
Technically it existed once
fair rampart
Wait what
jolly oriole
WE NEED A MASSIVE MOSS CHARGER MODDED BOSS
make it :)
jolly jungle
WE NEED A MASSIVE MOSS CHARGER MODDED BOSS
Is this the start of a promo for your new MMC mod? Like when redfrog comes in to chat and starts explaining how limited ck is to promote ck+
jolly jungle
So?
@fair rampart's MMC mod hasn't released yet either
And they're clearly trying to promote it in here
zenith hedge
MMC mod. The Chargers form the moss into forms of other bosses and use their attacks. You deal enough damage to break the shell and then have to hurt the Chargers before they go back into the ground.
Or when they slam the ground shock waves appear.
Ngl, I kinda want AnyMMC now.
latent hound
Or just stop the boss from taking knockback
ornate rivet
just add the attack animations MEBI made for it, that would actually be cool
merry lotus
Question for any <@&328354344313421825> :
A dedicated HK modding server was created recently, in order to give mod devs more freedoms and to give non-devs more discussion options and easier-to-maintain resources.
Would it be alright if I posted an invite link here and/or in #modding-discussion ?
(We were trying to get more devs over first, before opening the server up fully, so get as much feedback as possible on it, but honestly we can still change things after more people show up)
ornate rivet
nice
merry lotus
I have to be AFK for a bit, so I'm going to go ahead and post it here: **Hollow Knight Modding: ** https://discord.gg/VDsg3HmWuB
I think I've been around long enough for people to know that I'm posting in good faith lol.
If there is a different approach that's preferred, lmk and feel free to delete this.
ornate rivet
I am pretty sure we're not allowed to advertise at all in this server
vocal spire
merry lotus
I am pretty sure we're not allowed to advertise at all in this server
Yeah, without some form of permission/approval, I'm not intending on posting it outside of this channel (although, the only other place I was gonna post it was #modding-discussion). If it was a personal server or something, then I wouldn't even think about posting a link. I help run HKMP, but I don't post direct links to that server here.
The only reason I've posted this one, is because the intention of HK Modding is to literally act like an extension of this server/community- so that the modding aspects of HK aren't limits to a very small space, with very limited resources/controls. Essentially the same reason that HKSC exists.
primal latch
I agree. Where we now have 2 channels dedicated to modding, in a seperate server we can have a seperate channel for getting started, the modding api, fsmās and seperate mod channels
fair rampart
Is this the start of a promo for your new MMC mod? Like when redfrog comes in to...
No it was just a joke lol
rough pulsar
I have to be AFK for a bit, so I'm going to go ahead and post it here: **Hollow ...
i want join
i will join
please keep archives of all modding channels here if modding staffs are going to make that server official though 
zenith hedge
casually downloads the entire channel history
jolly jungle
No it was just a joke lol
Aww but I was super hyped for it
And I think a lot of people here were too
Can't you maybe try to make it??
ember furnace
Hi I'm following 56's mod development tutorial but I can't get the first Modhook to work
I need to write: "ModHooks.Instance.RecordKillForJournalHook += OnKill"
The 'OnKill' has a red squiggly line under it
Here's a screenshot:
winter moss
You need to create a method called OnKill
topaz mortar
idea: Mod where you get one extra lifeblood mask every time you hit something with your nail
downside, getting hit costs 4 of these lifeblood masks
cosmic wedge
hey just wondering using the custom knight mod that is already a thing could i make my own skin using just photoshop of the base sprite if i had the correct file format or something?
radiant basin
yeah you can edit straight onto the spritesheet
cosmic wedge
thanks
hushed otter
Hi I'm following 56's mod development tutorial but I can't get the first Modhook...
where can I find their dev tutorial?
I started looking into mods so I can make a parry mod, but i'm not sure where to start aside from just learning how to use unity as a whole
(well I originally wanted to download a parry mod, but there wasn't one so I decided to try to make one... parry atm doesn't really do anything aside from sound effects, because both parties still take damage if their hitbox is in the path of the weapon swing)
languid goblet
there's a parry mod that deals damage to every enemy on screen for 4x nail damage when you successfully parry
intended for use in p5 but it's a bit jank
curious to see if you could solve that
hushed otter
intended for use in p5 but it's a bit jank
p5?
I'm curious to see if I can do a good job learning in the first place tho lol
but the parry mod I wanted to make was just a simple "parry actually blocks/negates damage"
and then also add settings for other special effects like, increasing the parry window, if you time it perfect it can give you back some soul, or maybe giving you bonus damage on your next attack
if I can learn how to make this, I wouldn't mind looking at the other parry mod
hushed otter
the other parry mod will probably be helpful to look at
Tbh I'm having a hard time finding that parry mod
It's not in the Google drive, and I don't see it anywhere on Google search or mod websites. Is it in the mod installer? I haven't downloaded that yet
pale current
Afaik mod installer takes from the drive so it wont be
languid goblet
search it in this server
also, the modinstaller/google drive is the only maintained source for mods, so don't use nexus mods or whatever
hushed otter
I don't use Nexus mods after the ordeal they pulled off
I was just searching online on every source
There are other mod websites besides Nexus
Would this be it?
languid goblet
yes
jolly jungle
but the parry mod I wanted to make was just a simple "parry actually blocks/nega...
but the parry mod I wanted to make was just a simple "parry actually blocks/negates damage"
pretty sure that's already the case, parrying gives you iframes
what you can do is making it more rewarding (like the rest of the ideas you listed)
hushed otter
> but the parry mod I wanted to make was just a simple "parry actually blocks/ne...
It doesn't.
In that same line I explained that you still take damage if the enemy's weapon touches your hitbox
Just like the enemy takes damage if your weapon touches theirs
proven cipher
That is extremely not true
proven cipher
The iframes are likely not long enough for some attack animations is the issue
You can use iframes from a parry to phase through an enemy
fair rampart
If you manage to get the parry you do get iframes
hushed otter
I'm pretty sure that the portion of the attack animation that hits you, is only as long as the party animation for the guard dudes.
But if it's true that you get iframes, it seems to be wonky
Because like I said, it repeatedly doesn't work
It only works if my hitbox isn't in the path of their weapon swing (the white line)
At which point, it might as well not be a parry
cedar hemlock
i've managed to survive some battles on only the fact that parry'ing gave iframes
hushed otter
Maybe you have bias that you believe that's the case, but it was actually just you being lucky dodging
proven cipher
There are three people here confirming you get iframes
hushed otter
Or maybe parrying actually swirls for some bosses, but not some mobs
hushed otter
There are three people here confirming you get iframes
I'll make a video to show you that it doesn't
fair rampart
I'll make a video to show you that it doesn't
I have one that shows it does https://youtu.be/olQzU5Py2sA. Check out the NKG part of that vid
hushed otter
IDC how many people compare that it does, it's still wonky even if it does give you iframes. Hence why I want to make a mod for it
proven cipher
Parrying is an optimal strategy for getting through devouts in I believe low% nmg in Beast's Den
hushed otter
I have one that shows it does https://youtu.be/olQzU5Py2sA. Check out the NKG pa...
Why are they still taking damage in some of those parries?
cedar hemlock
do you mean the start?
fair rampart
Why are they still taking damage in some of those parries?
Give me a time stamp
hushed otter
Sure there's several
cedar hemlock
and it possible the boss hit them, before the parry
fair rampart
Or after yeah, theres a part where he parrys WK and their next attack then hits him because parry iframes just arent on, idk, ddark level of brokenness
proven cipher
The enemy still takes damage from a parry if you hit the enemy
hushed otter
Give me a time stamp
nvm, it was around 0:35 but there's no parry "ding" when it happens
so that doesn't count
and the ones at the start he wasn't parrying
but yeah I'll make a vid to show you my issue, which might just be related to some basic mobs
maybe parrying actually works for bosses
proven cipher
It also works for devouts
potent summit
hello, so uhh how can i do in visual studio a button that install files?
patent zealot
wait i got the perfect clip let me find it
hushed otter
@fair rampart @proven cipher I used a cheat engine to keep my health at 7, and to change my nail damage to 1, so I would kill them slower. you can see a few times where I get the parry ding, but both sides still take damage. If I stand away far enough, then the parry can happen, but I'm already standing away from the attack so it might as well not happen. I tried parrying a bit later, but then the enemy just hit me before I could parry. If I parry too soon, the enemy still hits me and sometimes it wouldn't parry the attack.
maybe there's one successful parry in there, so I'd still want to make a mod to change the iframe time to something that feels more consistent
oh wait, i uploaded the wrong one
proven cipher
Could you try again but only use upslashes?
hushed otter
sure
proven cipher
HK has an issue with certain damage events where it refreshes them in a crap way
hushed otter
and the second video i'll have to upload to youtube, because it's too big for discord nitrro
proven cipher
(This is why Flukenest is broken)
hushed otter
HK has an issue with certain damage events where it refreshes them in a crap way
maybe my mod can fix that, if that's the case
patent zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441521707967184896/831192173219020800/Hollow_Knight_2021-04-12_16-39-46_Trim.mp4
Parrying gives I frames @hushed otter
proven cipher
It could actually be a case that your iframes are being cancelled by the nail knockback
patent zealot
This is consistent, and with other bosses as well
hushed otter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441521707967184896/831192173219020800/Hol...
I've already seen a video compilation
hushed otter
It could actually be a case that your iframes are being cancelled by the nail kn...
from the enemy?
proven cipher
The knockback you get when you hit things with your nail, I mean
If you notice in the WK video they are all upslashes
hushed otter
lemme try changing charms for that one that doesn't have knockback
patent zealot
the Iframes are tiny FYI so if u do get the parry but the hitbox still collides when over, you will get punished. thats why its a bit weird
and in your clip, you hit it too early
hushed otter
and in your clip, you hit it too early
I have another one where it happens multiple times, regardless of when I hit it.
It's just wonky dude
patent zealot
It's not, is it with that specific enemy?
Test it with other enemies
I am pretty sure knockback has nothing to do with it
hushed otter
Test it with other enemies
gimme a sec dude, trying to reply to tamijo
patent zealot
Also lets go to DMS since we are clogging this chat
hushed otter
The knockback you get when you hit things with your nail, I mean
Using the charm that prevents the knight from getting knocked back from their own attacks
jolly jungle
Maybe you have bias that you believe that's the case, but it was actually just y...
I literally had a copy of Sly's Greatslash not erase itself once the animation was over and survived for ~20s in its hitbox by repeatedly parrying it
cedar hemlock
note that this enemy does 2 attacks after each other, meaning its attack hitbox exists longer, possibly longer than the IFrames you get
hushed otter
note that this enemy does **2** attacks after each other, meaning its attack hit...
it still happens when parrying both
but the damage instance is happening on the first attack, not the second one
cedar hemlock
attack hitbox exists longer, possibly longer than the IFrames you get
proven cipher
Either way
cedar hemlock
the IFrames are small, otherwise i'd be overpowered
proven cipher
Parries are hard, and a mod making them better is a reasonable mod idea
But this does mean that your mod is just extending the iframes, rather than adding them, so it's important.
jolly jungle
That's what I said at the start
hushed otter
I literally had a copy of Sly's Greatslash not erase itself once the animation w...
we've already had this convo... someone else already showed a compilation of successful parries
jolly jungle
Parrying exists, you'll just make it better
hushed otter
But this does mean that your mod is just extending the iframes, rather than addi...
maybe that's just what i'd do then
increase the iframe to 0.3s or 0.4
or just give players a slider that lets them set it to whatever they'd want
proven cipher
BetterParries.globalsettings.JSON
cedar hemlock
ui 
light zodiac
1.4
cedar hemlock
1.4 ui 
hushed otter
HK has an issue with certain damage events where it refreshes them in a crap way
should I also try to optimize this? or maybe I could just add a 0.1s iframe at the start of an attack
proven cipher
It seems like that's not what's happening, so I wouldn't worry about it
hushed otter
well it could be related, because my pc is an old PC š
potent summit
hello, so uhh how can i do in visual studio a button that install files?
No one?
proven cipher
What exactly is the issue you're having?
potent summit
Is with me?
Because if is with me I just want to know how do I do a button in visual studio that install files
hushed otter
what type of files, and where do you want to install them from?
and where do you want to install them to?
potent summit
what type of files, and where do you want to install them from?
A folder with PNG into it
potent summit
and where do you want to install them to?
Mods custom knight folder
proven cipher
Unless I'm misunderstanding, you don't need visual studio for that?
potent summit
no is like mod installer install mods in the mods folder i want to do like that like a skin installer or a skin installer its not useful
floral blade
someone was already working on a modified modinstaller that installed skins
Perhaps you could look at that project ?
Iirc there were two seperate versions being worked on by two seperate people
hushed otter
Anyone know how many frames occur in between refresh?
Or does it not work like that for HK?
young walrus
frames of what
and what do you mean refresh
the game physics runs at 50 Hz if that's what you mean
hushed otter
So every 0.02s*
hushed otter
My bad, I missed a zero
vocal spire
Anyone know how many frames occur in between refresh?
What is a ārefreshā
hushed otter
What is a ārefreshā
I'm probably wording it wrong, but basically the time interval in-between each time the game registers a new event
vocal spire
Do you mean like time between update cycles
hushed otter
Yeah
vocal spire
Then what mickely said if for physics update cycles
hushed otter
It would be for physics, yeah
vocal spire
If you want to get the time since the last physics update then use Time.fixedDeltaTime
hushed otter
Ty
jolly oriole
<@&283547423706447872> channel spammer
edit: thanks mods
empty tartan
snek
potent mesa
Cool snek
mighty helm
Can i play online in 1.5?
primal latch
No
potent summit
I have a idea for a mod but idk how to do this idea, my idea is do like a mod that shows the damage like numbers not a health bar
If someone can help me
I gonna be happy
light zodiac
Something like this?
#archived-modding-development message
fair rampart
that is like, actually really cool
fair rampart
was that written for 1.4 or 1.5 btw?
jolly oriole
Lets ask @worn eagle
proven cipher
That is really cool, actually
worn eagle
1.5
fair rampart
light zodiac
jolly oriole
check 1.5 patch notes
proven cipher
If you got the game from steam then they are linked on the steam page for your game
This is not the channel, you should really use #hk-help
bold hazel
My bad i think i was in help channel
fair rampart
anyone knows how do i upload mods I created to the mod installer?
vocal spire
anyone knows how do i upload mods I created to the mod installer?
You make a pull request to the mod installer repo if itās for version 1.4.3.2
If for version 1.5 (doesnāt have a public mod installer yet) then make a pull request to the modlinks repo
Also if you donāt mind, what is this mod?
ornate rivet
so true bestie xE
jolly oriole
rip that guy
floral blade
fair rampart
Yes, a lot
vocal spire
Nice
fair rampart
Its just one class should be fine
vocal spire
Also hereās the mod installer repo if you need it https://github.com/ricardosouzag/ModInstaller
Hereās the modlinks repo https://github.com/hk-modding/modlinks
ember furnace
Hi I'm trying to figure out how to mod hollow knight so I've downloaded the Hell Mod template, opened it in visual studio but heaps of the things are underlined in red
Is it the way i downlaoded vs or is there something else I'm doing wrong
I'll give you a screenshot:
patent zealot
you have to reference the modding api
tulip jewel
Hi I'm trying to figure out how to mod hollow knight so I've downloaded the Hell...
to mod hk simply download dnspy & screw with things
ez
ember furnace
you have to reference the modding api
Yeah I did but it said the reference was invalid
tulip jewel
to mod hk simply download dnspy & screw with things
ez
you can't exactly distribute it at that point but oh well
ember furnace
_you can't exactly distribute it at that point but oh well_
Yeah I might do that if VS won't cooperate
but I want to try to do things properly first
tulip jewel
like I just installed bepinex to get unity explorer running & made some screwey mods with dnspy to just run around & have fun
you know warp through stuff, fly, spam the nail
tulip jewel
well unity explorer runs on bepinex which I don't think is used for hk modding but it works with (almost) all unity games
bepinex docs: https://docs.bepinex.dev/master/articles/user_guide/installation/index.html
unity explorer: https://github.com/sinai-dev/UnityExplorer
I really have not looked into it but there may be already existing equivilants with mods that use the api
ember furnace
Thanks
tulip jewel
dnspy just hit edit method c#, change it, hit compile on the edit window, & then go to file & save module
ember furnace
nice
ember furnace
you have to reference the modding api
worn eagle
mod incompatibility I sleep
ember furnace
mod incompatibility I sleep
?
Do you mean I need to uninstall the mods I have at the moment
tulip jewel
also how do the current mods work anyway?
do y'all use like harmony or something?
worn eagle
monomod
tulip jewel
ty
primal latch
@ember furnace I think you selected the wrong .net version
proven cipher
I have to be AFK for a bit, so I'm going to go ahead and post it here: **Hollow ...
@ember furnace Here's a link to the new modding discord
If you're interested in making mods it will be easier to find resources/get help there
ember furnace
<@!518254849150681100> Here's a link to the new modding discord
Thanks š
ember furnace
<@518254849150681100> I think you selected the wrong .net version
Do you know how I could fix that
vocal spire
If you got it from github, then it should be correct (assuming the game is on the right version)
What version of hollow knight is currently installed
@ember furnace
cedar hemlock
#879130756146954240 is where they are talking now
vocal spire
Ah ok
Not used to having a different server for that yet
Starting to not like the idea of it as much
steady comet
Is there a version of the fsm viewer that works on 1.5 and also has tabs?
jolly oriole
1.5: avalonia
tabs: not yet
steady comet
floral blade
wait didnt fsmavalonia have tabs?
vocal spire
Actually yes
For a while you had to build it yourself for tabs but iirc there was a release or something
floral blade
ah yes i was using source, that would explain it
jolly oriole
i never updated since 1.5 support lol
steady comet
Where can I get the source?
floral blade
steady comet
thank
floral blade
yep
dark wigeon
oh yeah maybe I should make a release
floral blade
nesquack did you also fix the path thingy in a newer commit ?
because on mac the folder is called just Data and not hollow_knight_Data
dark wigeon
there's also upper case but all underscores as well
actually I might just brute force instead of checking the os
jolly oriole
but gog windows 1.5 has both small with underscores and big without underscores
dark wigeon
how can it have both simultaneously
jolly oriole
don't ask me
jolly oriole
small with underscores only has a config
dark wigeon
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ok I'll search for like resources.assets in
Hollow Knight_Data
hollow_knight_Data
Hollow_Knight_Data
Data
I swear there better not be two folders that both have resources
also also @floral blade Managed is in a weird place too right
floral blade
lemme just pwd it for you
~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/Contents/Resources/Data/Managed
this is where it is
dark wigeon
why is it like this
floral blade
wdym?
dark wigeon
I mean why is it like this
why did team cherry and unity team up to make my life hard
floral blade
that idk but i really appreciate you dealing with the hard stuff for us though 
dreamy mulch
I don't know how this server takes to requests, but if someone could make a mod that removes the shade mechanic that would be pretty epic. I set up a multiplayer mod server with my friends, and pvp is annoying when you need to go find your shade constantly
light zodiac
Easy mode mod
dreamy mulch
is there any way to toggle all of the features but the shade thing
light zodiac
This version of the mod has a globalsettings file where you can toggle stuff on and off https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LmLOuPxRhS3Bla2abfm0NuptdW65vCTj/view?usp=sharing
rough pulsar
ok I'll search for like resources.assets in
```
Hollow Knight_Data
hollow_knight...
eternal suffering
at least i get only one hollow_knight_Data folder in windows
calm folio
hey im new on the server and this has probably already been answered but does anyone know how to get to the base game files for modding and stuff on a mac?
long sun
Does anyone have a zenitsu skin from demon slayer or dragon ball?
and also from JoJo's?
tulip jewel
hey im new on the server and this has probably already been answered but does an...
you could get them by just going into the hollow knight install folder iād assume
calm folio
nah i tried that and it just leads to a shell program telling steam to launch the game
tulip jewel
is this in steamapps/common/game?
calm folio
naw this is in Desktop/Hollow Knight.app/Contents/MacOS/run.sh
floral blade
`~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knigh...
Mac path for the files you want for modding
F mobile has betrayed me
fixed it
56 pls reopen my PR 
calm folio
ah thanks thats it
nimble lake
how can i go about replacing the music with something else?
calm folio
I mean, you could just mute the game in the internal settings and play something from your desktop
proven cipher
I think that is missing the point
cedar hemlock
how can i go about replacing the music with something else?
custombgm
one of the many grenade mods
primal latch
public static void OnSceneLoaded(Scene oldScene, Scene newScene)
{
switch (newScene.name)
{
case "Tutorial_01":
GameObject maul = Object.Instantiate(Assets.scarletMaulBundle.LoadAsset<GameObject>("Scarlet Maul"));
maul.FindGameObjectInChildren("collider").AddComponent<ScarletMaul.ScarletMaulTrigger>();
maul.FindGameObjectInChildren("ScriptHolder").AddComponent<ScarletMaul.ScarletMaulCutscene>();
maul.transform.position = new Vector3(115.5f, 31.5f);
Fyremoth.Instance.Log(maul.transform.position);
Fyremoth.Instance.Log(maul.activeSelf);
break;
}
}```
I have this code. The object spawns, but doesn't show up in game. The hook is `UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.activeSceneChanged`not even trying to prevent leaks lol
primal latch
like you know what this is
cedar hemlock
that doesn't matter
vocal spire
Morning
cedar hemlock
setactive
vocal spire
F
vocal spire
I see you are trying to add that
primal latch
just tried it. It doesn't work
vocal spire
Hmmm
deep wave
ty
primal latch
If I have a text renderer, how would I give it the hollow knight font?
jolly oriole
perpetua / noto serif
dark wigeon
`~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knigh...
where are the assets files at
floral blade
resources.assets sharedassets415.assets.resS resources.assets.resS sharedassets416.assets resources.resource sharedassets416.resource sharedassets0.assets sharedassets417.assets sharedassets0.assets.resS sharedassets417.assets.resS sharedassets0.resource
these?
they're at ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/Contents/Resources/Data
dark wigeon
so everything is in Contents/Resources/Data ?
assets files in Data and dlls in Data/Managed?
also I guess I should build a mac os version
hopefully it works, I know a lot of mac things won't build unless on a mac
floral blade
assets files in Data and dlls in Data/Managed?
yes
floral blade
hopefully it works, I know a lot of mac things won't build unless on a mac
i have been running it directly from VS after editing the path right now because i dont fully understand how to pack the app so that you can double click it to run
dark wigeon
you could prob just open a terminal and type dotnet FSMViewAvalonia.exe
floral blade
in case it needs to be built on mac and you don't have access to one i can build a version for you
floral blade
you could prob just open a terminal and type `dotnet FSMViewAvalonia.exe`
yes but more user friendly to have a double clickable app š
dark wigeon
yeah I don't think I can do that besides like making a shortcut
I know there's a way to add the app to the Applications folder or whatever
but it's been years since I've dev'd on mac
floral blade
i would just steal how MI2 does it tbh
dark wigeon
what is mi2
and yeah there is .command file
dunno if it has to be executable or not
and it apparently opens in the user's home directory š
floral blade
https://github.com/fifty-six/Modinstaller2
from what i can tell the make_app.py is what makes it a .app
dark wigeon
how does mac know which file is the executable
floral blade
i have no idea
floral blade
https://github.com/nesrak1/FSMViewAvalonia/releases/tag/v4
i downloaded the osx-64 zip , what do i run?
dark wigeon
either ./FSMViewAvalonia2 or dotnet FSMViewAvalonia2.dll
I swear
stupid visual studio
aight hold on it might just crash instantly
floral blade
i have to individually allow the libs it seems
good user experience apple, thanks!
dark wigeon
sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /path/to/files
apparently an issue when dotnet is included with program
floral blade
works!
floral blade
ye no classdata.tpk
dark wigeon
even with it
floral blade
oh
floral blade
oh yeah i am on the latest release (not public beta) if that helps
dark wigeon
so 1.5 yes
floral blade
yes
dark wigeon
good there better not be no 1.6 I didn't know about
cedar hemlock
1.5.77 š„“
floral blade
okay
i still get this You're missing classdata.tpk next to the executable. Please make sure it exists.
dark wigeon
and if you type like ls -l classdata.tpk from the terminal it shows up
floral blade
yes
apparently it dont work if i set the .command to executable & click it. but if i run from terminal it launches
floral blade
what's the arrow thingy to the right ?
dark wigeon
yeah that's normal
floral blade
oh gotcha
dark wigeon
oh the arrow
that's avalonia trying to let you scroll down but it's too small
if it's anything ui related it's always an unfixable avalonia issue
floral blade
okay and i give it the Data folder or Managed?
floral blade
but it does not allow me to select the .app
dark wigeon
ahhhh what
dark wigeon
bruh how am I supposed to do anything then
ok select Hollow Knight folder and let it crash
floral blade
i can select things inside it
dark wigeon
just select the Hollow Knight folder and let it crash
floral blade
okay crashed
dark wigeon
do you have an hkpath.txt file
floral blade
yep
dark wigeon
ok add the .app part to the end
floral blade
lol
works
is it possible for the folder picker to also have option to select files ? (i suspect that might solve this)
dark wigeon
no lol
I suppose I can check if on mac and switch to a file picker
or I can switch it to just select the Content folder inside of hollow_knight.app
dark wigeon
aaaaaaa
floral blade
the picker wont let me open the .app at all
dark wigeon
ok updated release info: https://github.com/nesrak1/FSMViewAvalonia/releases/tag/v4
temporary workarounds
but yay tabs
I haven't had any issue with them yet personally
so should be more stable than the wpf version
btw we hit over 100 downloads yay š„³ š like subscribe and comment
floral blade
woo hoo
interestingly i had to use /Users/<username>/Library/ instead of ~/Library/
using ~/Library/... got me this : ```
Unhandled exception. System.ArgumentNullException: Path cannot be null. (Parameter 'path')
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share)
at System.IO.File.OpenRead(String path)
oh that's cuz that's bash resolving the path, forgot about that
floral blade
ye
dark wigeon
@jolly oriole pls explain
jolly oriole
i start it and hit File -> open, to see which folder it searches in. And that shows me my 1.4.3.2 installation folder
ok, there are apparently differences between just open and the search for scene by name thing
so it may work correctly, i just can't differentiate if it really is gog 1.5 or my steam 1.5
dark wigeon
file -> open is the last place you opened a file from file->open
it's not the path it finds from file -> open scene list
jolly oriole
yea
ok, it does use the one used (though it didn't autogenerate the hkpath.txt for me)
now it does
primal latch
So I have a coroutine (IEnumerator) containing this line of code: yield return new WaitForSecondsRealtime(2);, but after waiting for 1 minute nothing happends. Without this line everything works fine.
floral blade
what do the lines after this do ?
primal latch
Set text on a Text object
jolly oriole
does it work without realtime?
primal latch
Yes
jolly oriole
i meant with yield return new WaitForSeconds(2);
jolly oriole
does the object containing the coroutine get deleted before it can finish the coroutine?
jolly oriole
afaik the only things stopping coroutines are destroying and maybe disabling gameobjects, so if either of those happens, that might be why
primal latch
Hmā¦.
Nope. The scriptholder object is always active. Butā¦ why do I even use it? I can just attach the script to the parent
Nope. Still doesnāt work
jolly oriole
hm :/
primal latch
Even a delay like 0.1 doesnāt work
jolly oriole
that does sound like the script gets destroyed
floral blade
either the script or the go containing the text maybe ?
primal latch
either the script or the go containing the text maybe ?
Iām sure the script doesnāt get destroyed. Itās attached to the root object. Destroying that would also remove the text from the screen but it stays on screen
primal latch
I found the issue. I disabled the object calling the coroutine.
jolly oriole
afaik the only things stopping coroutines are destroying and maybe disabling gam...
damn, than i appear to actually be correct for once lol
floral blade
I found the issue. I disabled the object calling the coroutine.
ah makes sense
primal latch
damn, than i appear to actually be correct for once lol
You didnāt make it clear that it also happens if you disable the object calling the coroutine
void shore
If i want to make mods,where can i find the tutorialš§ š§
tulip jewel
probably in the pins
void shore
I feel sorry but what is pinsš
light zodiac
?pins
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void shore
Oh, thanksš„³
tulip jewel
warm fog
pure nova
void shore
How can i make other bosses' spell appear in this boss?For example, i want to make hive knight's roar appear in maga knight.š¤Ø
jolly oriole
Make america grotesque again