#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 510

jolly oriole Apr 3, 2021, 7:15 PM

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GG_Blue_Room

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 7:17 PM

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the eternal ordeal?

deep wave Apr 3, 2021, 7:17 PM

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isn't there a google drive folder somewhere with a map of all the scene names

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also my xml literally has eternal ordeal in it listed at the bottom

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GG_Mighty_Zote iirc

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 7:17 PM

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oh really?

deep wave Apr 3, 2021, 7:17 PM

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it's given a meme name but yeah

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 7:19 PM

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what is the scene name with uh

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the godseeker standing between battles in pantheons?

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actually there are multiple of them

deep wave Apr 3, 2021, 7:19 PM

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install benchwarp, go do the pantheons w/ display scene name on

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honestly the easiest way tamershrug

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 7:20 PM

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me do

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that

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GG_Boss_Door_Entrance

light zodiac Apr 3, 2021, 7:23 PM

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GG_Engine(only godseeker in the room), GG_Engine_Root (white lady) ,GG_Unn,GG_Wyrm (pale king)

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 7:53 PM

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this is what apple's error details gives me

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this is on calling new Texture2D(2,2) inside my mod

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nothing in modlogs

deep wave Apr 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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did you check output_log

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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there doesn't seem to be one

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if i run the exact same function on menu it works

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:00 PM

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huh

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:01 PM

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but if i run it after entering dirtmouth it fails

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:01 PM

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that doesn't seem intuitive

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:01 PM

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it's player.log in a unity folder on mac

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:03 PM

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do you know where it is located ?

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found this in player.log

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:05 PM

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wtf

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raw skill

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show code

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:06 PM

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modlogs end at the Texture format line , so my assumption is new Texture2D(1,1) is the one erroring out

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seems to be the same way suggested by player.log

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Is HKMP on?

cedar hemlock Apr 3, 2021, 8:13 PM

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it is for that mod, so i assume

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Oh didn’t realize lol

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:14 PM

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vocal spire Is HKMP on?

yes, the crash happens when i try to load skins and make a new texture to hold it on connecting to server

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if i load all skins on game load it works but would be a massive memoryhog if someone has a lot of skins

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:16 PM

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and most likely laggy

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:19 PM

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made new/assigned don't log yeah?

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:23 PM

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yeah i'd added that later on to check if something else was going on

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initially the creation and assignment were one line

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Does it still die without the LoadImage call

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:29 PM

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copper nacelle Does it still die without the LoadImage call

yep it does

runic topaz Apr 3, 2021, 8:39 PM

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when i try to open assembly-csharp.dll in visual studio code it says is not displayed "because it is either binary or uses an unsupported text encoding" how to i open it?

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:40 PM

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you use dnspy

runic topaz Apr 3, 2021, 8:40 PM

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you cant do it in visual studio?

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:40 PM

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no

runic topaz Apr 3, 2021, 8:40 PM

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ok then

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:41 PM

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you can see the tree itself, but not the assembly codes itself iirc and it takes more time & effort

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so just use dnspy

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:41 PM

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@floral blade could try using www to load the texture I guess

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fucked up

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Could also try a 1x1 texture as that's what I normally see but I doubt that'll actually make any difference

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:42 PM

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copper nacelle <@731231925599076432> could try using www to load the texture I guess

the error is gone now, i had to move my function call out of the client code and into playerUpdate hook, so first update call after the client is connected is when we will load the skins

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Oh

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Is this threaded

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:43 PM

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weird that just moving where it is called fixed it

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:43 PM

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unity and threads don't go together

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any unity call off the main thread is basically suicide

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:45 PM

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copper nacelle any unity call off the main thread is basically suicide

this might be it, i'm going to have to check if it is

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:46 PM

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you can effectively force a call onto the main thread via a coroutine invoke with a frame wait inside it to make unity call the next MoveNext in the state machine

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:48 PM

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copper nacelle you can effectively force a call onto the main thread via a coroutine invoke wit...

i'm not sure i followed any of that , what i got was : if i use a coroutine it would do the work on main thread and unity functions wont kill themselves ?

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:49 PM

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basically yeah but you need to have a wait before doing any work

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:49 PM

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in either case, thanks everyone who helped with figuring out the logs and what not, the player.log was the biggest hint in that it might be a threading issue.

with this part done we now have a good skin distribution strategy i think

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:49 PM

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@light zodiac i finished my mod and published it to github! :o

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:49 PM

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something like

IEnumerator Wrapper() {
    yield return null;

    // do whatever
}

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the yield return null means the initial call will go up to that point and then start coroutine will handle the rest on the main thread

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:51 PM

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copper nacelle the yield return null means the initial call will go up to that point and then s...

alright, thanks i'm gonna have to read a bit more on c# it's quite alien to me

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 8:51 PM

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don't worry i encountered yield return TYPE stuff recently too

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:')

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i've been coding in C# for quite some time

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 8:51 PM

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but i got the gist thanks to your description

jolly oriole Apr 3, 2021, 8:54 PM

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if you wait for something, please don't do

while (true)
    yield return null;

this decimates fps

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 8:55 PM

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https://sharplab.io/#v2:CYLg1APgAgTAjAWAFBQAwAIpwHQGED2ANoQKYDGALgJb4B2AzgNzLJQDMmM6u6A3sukGYOASQCitAK4BbEgCcAhhXxz0AWQAUASj4Ch+rAE4NAIgBCJAGYqSJrcyT79ep5jhxMAdnRTiD14IuTkamAIKWFPJ2/kIAvsixQA=

SharpLab

C#/VB/F# compiler playground.

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you can see the compiler generated class

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:03 PM

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can't i just add the direct download link to github in modlinks.xml?

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oh

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some people have done that i guess

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also uh wait

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do i just add the DLL file or what?

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add dll link

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 9:09 PM

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if you add the dll it will only work for modinstaller2

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:10 PM

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so i have to add it into ZIP and add both README and DLL

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is that ok?

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what about the SHA-1 field, does it have to be the SHA-1 hash of my zip file or what?

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Readme isn’t required tmk

copper nacelle Apr 3, 2021, 9:11 PM

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sha-1 of the dll

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:11 PM

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vocal spire Readme isn’t required tmk

ik i just want to add it for installation guides

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sooo

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i think i'll just

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add PR

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pog

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now everyone can enjoy having funny discord rpc in their profile

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:33 PM

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anyone here up to test the new skin sync in HKMP ?

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:34 PM

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I guess I can

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:35 PM

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alright i'll send the mod.zip

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would you be able to make a hamachi room ?

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Yes

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:36 PM

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HKMP - ServerKnights v0.2

you'll need to extract this in your mods directory

📎 ServerKnights.zip

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Ok

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:38 PM

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yo i published my mod to modinstaller

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pog

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i added installation instructions next to it

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in README button

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OH WAIT I MISPELLED

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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good job

jolly oriole Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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lmao

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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lol

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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RIP

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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you killed your own creation

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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should i just make another PR to fix it X)

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:41 PM

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rough pulsar should i just make another PR to fix it X)

the earlier one is merged ?

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:41 PM

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yes

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:41 PM

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dang no choice but to move forward with another one then :p

floral blade Apr 3, 2021, 9:41 PM

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vocal spire Yes

please share the network once you create i'll join

vocal spire Apr 3, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I dmed you it

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 9:42 PM

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;;;_;

jolly oriole Apr 3, 2021, 10:08 PM

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typo visibility: https://github.com/ricardosouzag/ModInstaller/pull/77

rough pulsar Apr 3, 2021, 10:09 PM

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a

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yes

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it still isn't merged zote

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i'm going to live a pain until this pr gets merged

runic topaz Apr 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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im trying to follow the tutorial by 56 and i have no idea what wrong with this

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can anyone help?

steady comet Apr 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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It needs to be called Initialize, not initialize

runic topaz Apr 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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...

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well, that fixed it, thanks!

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 6:54 AM

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rough pulsar NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

what is this mod

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Its in the modinstaller download it and find out

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 7:29 AM

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is there a known list of all files that we can skin for the player character in HK?

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:52 AM

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go does not exist in current context

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Error    CS0103    The name 'go' does not exist in the current context

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 9:30 AM

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then change 'go' to nkg's gameobject (or that of whichever boss you want to change)

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 9:58 AM

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Error    CS1061    'DamageHero' does not contain a definition for 'damage' and no accessible extension method 'damage' accepting a first argument of type 'DamageHero' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 9:58 AM

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lol i wrote that in discord, let me find the member name

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 9:58 AM

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does anyone know what directive or reference im missing

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ohok

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 9:59 AM

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damageDealt

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 9:59 AM

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yeah that also didn't work

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maybe i am doing smth wrong

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do capitals matter in scenename?

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:00 AM

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yes

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:03 AM

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nope still 2 damage

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i have "GG_Grimm_Nightmare" and "Nightmare Grimm Boss"

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        Dictionary<string, string> NKGboss = new Dictionary<string, string>() { { "GG_Grimm_Nightmare", "Nightmare Grimm Boss" } };
...
 private void SceneChanged(Scene arg0, Scene arg1)
        {
            var go = arg1.Find(NKGboss[arg1.name]);
            if (NKGboss.ContainsKey(arg1.name)/* || UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.GetActiveScene().name == "Grimm_Nightmare"*/)
            {
                foreach (var dh in go.GetComponentsInChildren<DamageHero>())
                {
                    dh.damageDealt = 1;
                }
            }
         }

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:05 AM

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oh wow nvm i know why

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:05 AM

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oh nice

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:06 AM

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though idk if there's a workaround

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GetComponentsInChildren doesn't get the components of inactive children in unity 2017

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with grimm being inactive at the start

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:07 AM

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cant i just make it wait for 20 sec or smth?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:07 AM

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you could, but let me check something to make it just more reliable

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:07 AM

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go ahead

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:08 AM

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you just (true) don't you?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:08 AM

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2017 doesn't have that sadly

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for no fucking reason

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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I could've sworn hk had it

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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wait nvm it does

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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so?

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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add a true to your method call

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also don't use getactivescene

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The hook provides you with the next scene already

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Just check arg1.name

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:10 AM

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arg1.name.Equals("GG_Grimm_Nightmare")

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:10 AM

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.equals x5fiftAleph

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java tier

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:10 AM

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from c++, can't be bothered if c# ever decides to compare pointers

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

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if .equals works then == is basically always set to just call it

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

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how do i "add a true to your method call"

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

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go.GetComponentsInChildren<DamageHero>(true)

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

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thx

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:12 AM

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oh, i mixed the Component.GetComponentsInChildren up with Transform.Find, with the latter not finding inactive GOs

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:12 AM

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Does it not

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Useless

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:13 AM

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something didn't at least

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:13 AM

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Wouldn't it be easier to hook onto take health hook

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:13 AM

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maybe i'm also way off with that though

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:13 AM

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light zodiac Wouldn't it be easier to hook onto take health hook

would override all damage taken in that scene

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not only that from the boss

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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still does 2 soulpensive

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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wait a frame

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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What else is there in godhome nkg scenes

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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spikes

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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and the sides

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Nkg takesa long time to spawn

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So you have to wait until you find it

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Aids

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:15 AM

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WaitWhile destroys frames

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:15 AM

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put the code inside the fsm action for spawning

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if it wasn't literally every frame it'd be a lot nicer on performance

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Don't wait while use wait for seconds

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Could wait like a physics frame or something

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:17 AM

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Error    CS1955    Non-invocable member 'WaitForSeconds' cannot be used like a method.

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can i just do

private void WaitForSeconds(int v)
        {
            throw new NotImplementedException();
        }
```?

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:17 AM

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no

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then it would call that

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and throw

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:18 AM

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then what do i do

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if the lightbulb isn't right

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:19 AM

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You need to be in an IEnumerator function to do that

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:23 AM

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private void SceneChanged(Scene arg0, Scene arg1)
{
    if (arg1.name != "GG_Grimm_Nightmare") return;
    var go = arg1.Find("Nightmare Grimm Boss");
    var fsm = go.LocateMyFsm("Control");
    fsm.AddMethod("Dormant", MakeGrimmNoDamage)
}
private void MakeGrimmNoDamage()
{
    grimmGo = GameObject.Find("Nightmare Grimm Boss");
    foreach (var dh in grimmGo.GetComponentsInChildren<DamageHero>(true))
    {
        dh.damageDealth = 1;
    }
}

may work, not tested

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:23 AM

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It probs won't cuz nkg doesn't spawn when the scene changes so the find (nkg) will return null

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Why not just use the fsm onenable hook?

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:24 AM

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I would like to note that it runs after the spawn ngl

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that's like a sledgehammer to a nail

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You could it's just kinda overkill

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Oh I see

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:27 AM

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i mean, the pfsm onenable (or another pfsm method, don't remember) hook is what i used to make jngo's gatlingaspid not eat frames

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:27 AM

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fair

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hm awake would prob be decent for a generalized enemy spawn hook

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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i have actually no clue which hook i changed it to

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would have to download it again to see

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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rofl

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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best part about that: i made those changes in dnspy

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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🥴

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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nvm about that, i just found a vs project

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probs exported

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pfsm.start is what i used

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but yea, awake would be a good general enemy spawn hook

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and a lot of other things as well

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dnSpy, you alright?

primal latch Apr 4, 2021, 10:44 AM

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I have changed all the charm textures using CharmIconList.Instance.spriteList. It shows up fine in the charms menu, but not in shops. Is there a way to change the textures in the shop?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:44 AM

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oh god shops

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i think redfrog did some things for either shops or lemm (selling new relics)

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but i also did a thing to add items to a shop

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let me find that

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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randomizer also has to deal with shops if you want to just check that

primal latch Apr 4, 2021, 10:46 AM

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jolly oriole i think redfrog did some things for either shops or lemm (selling new relics)

I don't mean new charms. I mean the texture.

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I have a new texture for all the charms

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but they don't show up in shops

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:47 AM

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looking at my code... i think you look at randomizer's one, like 56 said

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found it: <#archived-modding-development message>

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Ah

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I guess I never got around to it

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Mb

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 10:53 AM

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apparently

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at least now we know why it was so familiar

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 10:54 AM

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yeah

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 10:58 AM

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jolly oriole ```cs private void SceneChanged(Scene arg0, Scene arg1) { if (arg1.name != "...

your code had a bit of typo's lol

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lets see if it works

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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it didn't for me, 1st hit did 1 damage and 2nd hit onwards it did 2

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 11:01 AM

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With me it just did 2 damage

night cosmos Apr 4, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Hi ! Do you know where to start from scratch for modifying HK (without tool) I started RE and wanted to know if it's possible

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Lemme link the docs

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Wait a sec

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https://radiance.host/apidocs

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Its in c#

night cosmos Apr 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Thanks willoh some Reading for today

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 11:48 AM

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is there a guide to making skins or something that might have a list of all the sprites we can alter for the player character ?

primal latch Apr 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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floral blade is there a guide to making skins or something that might have a list of all the ...

Install CustomKnight

proven cipher Apr 4, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Lol

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 12:00 PM

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primal latch Install CustomKnight

i know of the list here
https://github.com/jngo102/HollowKnight.CustomKnight/blob/master/CustomKnight/CustomKnight.cs

but are there any sheets that are not a part of ck, but do affect the player character

primal latch Apr 4, 2021, 12:01 PM

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No. I don’t think so

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 12:02 PM

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i ask because one of the recent commits on this was "added more sprite sheets" vesselsip

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:29 PM

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primal latch but they don't show up in shops

You need to replace the charm textures in each shop. I can write some code for it in a bit

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Maybe a stupid question but if I have a GameObject go, is there any difference between Object.Destroy(go) and Object.Destroy(GameObject.Find(go.name)) ?

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 12:40 PM

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i have a question for the modding community

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

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The latter is shit

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It won't find children

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

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nimble lake i have a question for the modding community

Cool

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

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It's also straight up slower

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

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if you had to think about a single “HK modder” who would it be

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because i have an idea for an emote and trust me it regards modding

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:42 PM

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make whatever 56's nickname is as an emote

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Yeah

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Sounds about right

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 12:42 PM

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sure

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wait can someone type his nickname here for later? i’m on mobile

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:43 PM

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𓌬

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Just realized I’m on mobile

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 12:43 PM

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ty

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Hmmmm nickname change

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 12:44 PM

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copper nacelle The latter is shit

(I'm not planning on doing the second lmao - the question was somewhat academic, I don't actually have the GameObject, I wanted to destroy a game object with a particular name and was wondering why Object.Destroy(GameObject.Find(...)) wasn't working but foreach (var go in FindObjectsOfType...) was)

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:44 PM

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find only finds direct children, not children of children

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outlined here: https://docs.unity3d.com/2017.4/Documentation/ScriptReference/Transform.Find.html

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:45 PM

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This is GameObject.Find(static) not Transform.Find(instance)

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Yeah GameObject.Find is only going to find active root game objects

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find objects of type finds inactive child objects as well as active and root stuff

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It makes it slower but more powerful

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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oh that was what changed in unity 2020

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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That changed?

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Huh

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Cool

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Busted tech

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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wait nvm

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Nice

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:46 PM

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but i swear something like that changed

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where they added a bool to also find inactive stuff

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 12:47 PM

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copper nacelle It makes it slower but more powerful

If it's slower then it's probably better to just use GameObject.Find if it works for a particular case?

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Yeah

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Great, thanks!

runic topaz Apr 4, 2021, 12:53 PM

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if im making a scene in unity to implement into hollow knight, what unity version does it have to be in?

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Check the api docs

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I believe 2017.10f

runic topaz Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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thats what i thought, but https://steamcommunity.com/app/367520/discussions/0/3109143313947465227/

Hollow Knight v1.5.58.11762 now on public beta :: Hollow Knight Gen...

Hi Everyone, Hollow Knight v1.5.58.11762 is now available on the public-beta branch for all platforms. It can be accessed by right-clicking the game in your Steam library, then clicking "Properties", "Betas", and selecting "public-beta". The main purpose of this version is to update our Unity version, but we've made some fixes also: - Added "Bor...

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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2017.4.10f1

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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the beta is 2020 yeah

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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Thats 2020

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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beta is 2020.2.2

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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The current version isn't though

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why does everyone have a knife with legs now

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Plagiarism

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:54 PM

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i don't

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

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that's true

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based

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

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I cant even see it

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Cus im on mobile

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Just a wierd box

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

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i just picked some hieroglyph that looked nice

runic topaz Apr 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

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so... im good to use 2017.4.10f on the main game?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

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10

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not 1

runic topaz Apr 4, 2021, 12:56 PM

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ik

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cool

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thx

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 12:59 PM

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cedar hemlock Cus im on mobile

I’m on mobile and can see it

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 12:59 PM

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If you can see it depends on the operationg system and emoji's that come with it

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Cool

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 1:00 PM

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The knife on legs doesn't come with my device

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 1:00 PM

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or you just change the font used by your device

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Or that

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 1:38 PM

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is this a good idea

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enabled tab

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 1:38 PM

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Yes

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 1:39 PM

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ok

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Can anyone confirm if this list/breakdown seems correct ?

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File names of skin sprites made for CK

Playtime player sprites :
"Knight",
"Sprint",
"Wraiths",
"VoidSpells",
"VS",
"Unn",
"Fluke",
"Shield",
"Baldur",

Playtime Companion sprites :
"Hatchling",
"Grimm",
"Weaver",

Playtime UI sprites :
"Hud",
"OrbFull",
"Geo",
"Inventory",

Story Cutscene sprites :
"Dreamnail",
"DreamArrival",
"Wings",
"Quirrel",
"Webbed",
"Cloak",
"Shriek",
"Hornet",
"Birthplace",

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 1:55 PM

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seems right

floral blade Apr 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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alright,
so we can basically skip syncing all UI sprites & cutscene sprites till enemy/progression sync happens and i'm not sure if HKMP syncs companions right now either, if not then only the player sprites would need to be covered

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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copper nacelle is this a good idea

smh using sfcore, i thought you were against generic mod classes smhmyheads

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 2:27 PM

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true

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 2:34 PM

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🤔

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 2:46 PM

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is the Hud a Canvas object?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 2:48 PM

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afaik no

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 2:51 PM

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If you want to check yourself you can use (extension method found in modcommon)GameObject(instance).PrintSceneHiearchyTree(); then checking the GameObject dump of it in the mods folder

primal latch Apr 4, 2021, 2:52 PM

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vocal spire You need to replace the charm textures in each shop. I can write some code for i...

that would be appreciated

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 3:35 PM

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so uh i have 2 questions

how many canvas objects are there loaded in a scene?
is there any components i need to display canvas objects beyond CanvasRenderer?

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 3:45 PM

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oh god, redfrog found a difference between loading with preloads and loading without, now i have to tell people to add irrelevant preloads when they want to add custom menu styles

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 4:15 PM

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god

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 4:49 PM

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@neon oyster https://radiance.host/apidocs

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 5:02 PM

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modders

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there we go

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modders

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rate

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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3/10 not enough green

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otherwise 8/10

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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use it wisely

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very wisely

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56 tell me your opinions

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it was made in your image

rain cedar Apr 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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-6/10

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 5:21 PM

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extremely interesting

nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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nimble lake Apr 4, 2021, 5:27 PM

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copper nacelle extremely interesting

why thank you

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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i can't seem to set the location of this funny text object

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i tried doing this

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rt is the rectTransform of the text object

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m

deep wave Apr 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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which fork of debugmod is the current patch version available on the installer? VanillaStare

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Why is this text object i made is blurry??

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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What's your game res?

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Is there anything I can do to counter this?

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Oh and also uh second question, what is the game's usual font file name

lunar warren Apr 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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rough pulsar

HARD\ BRUH

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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?

lunar warren Apr 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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that game res

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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My pc ain't strong >:(

lunar warren Apr 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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fair i used to have a toaster

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i feel u

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let me tell u turning it to full for the first time is an unexplainable joy

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 5:56 PM

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still higher than this

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Oof

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 5:56 PM

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amazing

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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I really don’t like that

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It hurts

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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anyways is there anything i can do to counter that problem?

deep wave Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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19fps 🥴

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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hold up

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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rough pulsar anyways is there anything i can do to counter that problem?

Get a new PC shroompog

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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is the hollow knight's font pixel perfect?

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if so what is the file name of hollow knight's font called

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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google it

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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m

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Ah yes, my favorite font, m

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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https://fontsgeek.com/fonts/Trajan-Pro-Regular

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that

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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uh the font used in dialogues?

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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hmm

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idk

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 6:00 PM

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i'll stick to trajan pro regular

jolly oriole Apr 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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hk's font is Perpetua

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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ah. ok!

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thanks

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 6:42 PM

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deep wave which fork of debugmod is the current patch version available on the installer? ...

probably mine

deep wave Apr 4, 2021, 6:46 PM

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ifls

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 6:47 PM

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you know uhh

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i'll just

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look at other mods' source codes

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i clearly don't understand how to make a text object and i suck at it

steady comet Apr 4, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Fsm viewer question. If I have an event like SendEventByName, is there any way to see what the event target is?

(My current solution is to get a mod to log the eventTarget.gameObject.GameObject.Name but I'd prefer to have a way that doesn't have to open HK if possible)

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 7:17 PM

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i'm absolutely suffering

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Nice

rough pulsar Apr 4, 2021, 7:20 PM

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i can't find a way to use the in-game fonts in my text objects and i'm suffering

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Godhome :D

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Hive knight

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P3?

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Love the dc rich presense

idle plinth Apr 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Ok so I messed up and didn't pick up Grubberflys elegy. Now there is no in-game way for me to pick it up amymore. Is there a way to get it anyway by moding? I play on Nintendo switch, so im not sure if that would even work.

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Do a save-edit

idle plinth Apr 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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how does one acheve that

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Check modding-help pins

idle plinth Apr 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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ok I'll check

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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idle plinth Ok so I messed up and didn't pick up Grubberflys elegy. Now there is no in-game ...

Are you sure?

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Also #archived-modding-help

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This is for the development of mods

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I told him to go here i thought it was about making a mod soulpensive

idle plinth Apr 4, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I was sent here by @cedar hemlock so...

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Yeah my bad for miscomunicating that

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where do I go if I have further questions? modding-help?

cedar hemlock Apr 4, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Ye

idle plinth Apr 4, 2021, 8:12 PM

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ok thaks

light zodiac Apr 4, 2021, 8:38 PM

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copper nacelle is this a good idea

Instead of having a separate tab for it wouldn't it be better just to sort the list in the installed tab. Enabled on top and disabled at the bottom

copper nacelle Apr 4, 2021, 8:39 PM

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maybe

vocal spire Apr 4, 2021, 10:02 PM

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@rough pulsar did you include discord_game_sdk? #archived-modding-help

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:41 AM

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I'm trying to add a scene and im doing so by following saleh's tutorial, but on the title screen, the the top corner where it mods you have installed, it says that my mod "failed to load" and i dont really know whats wrong, any advice?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:44 AM

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look at modlog and output_log

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:45 AM

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where is output_log?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:45 AM

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next to modlog

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:47 AM

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i dont really see anything, what am i looking for?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:49 AM

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anything with exceptions ig

ornate rivet Apr 5, 2021, 12:51 AM

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post the modlog

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:51 AM

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i found an error in the modlog

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[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: The classes in the module cannot be loaded.
[ERROR]:[API] -   at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly:GetTypes (bool)
[ERROR]:[API] -   at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
[ERROR]:[API] -   at Modding.ModLoader+<LoadMods>d__9.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```

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oh, hi saleh, your tutorial was great!

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 12:52 AM

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is your mod targeting .net framework 3.5

ornate rivet Apr 5, 2021, 12:52 AM

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:) glad it helped

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:54 AM

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deep wave is your mod targeting .net framework 3.5

3.5 isnt an option

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deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 12:55 AM

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because you targeted .net core

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target .net framework instead

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:55 AM

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how do i do that?

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oh, nvm, i see it

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 12:56 AM

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can't remember off the top of my head but you could just remake the project and select .net framework

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:56 AM

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theres a separate option for class library .net framework

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i just didnt see it

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 12:56 AM

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correct

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:58 AM

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and just in general, im referencing assembly-csharp, unity engine, unity engine.physics 2d module, and unity engine.core module. are there other things i should be referencing or is that it?

copper nacelle Apr 5, 2021, 12:59 AM

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really depends on what you need to do

ornate rivet Apr 5, 2021, 12:59 AM

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^ e.g. if you need playmaker, then playmaker too

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 12:59 AM

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ok, cool, thx, lets see if this works

ornate rivet Apr 5, 2021, 1:00 AM

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if you don't have a ref, the ide usually tells you

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 1:00 AM

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yeah, thats what i found, it told me i needed physics 2d when i didnt include it

pearl ether Apr 5, 2021, 1:01 AM

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hey idk if this is the right channel for this but could anyone say me how to bind things in the mod menu? like the debug mod

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 1:09 AM

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#archived-modding-help , and click the bind then press the key you want to bind it to

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 5:40 AM

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if I want to update a mod that's already in the installer, should I just edit my github release?

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 5:54 AM

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create a new github release, then submit a pr to modinstaller w/ a link to the zip in the new release and the new SHA1

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Ok thanks

nimble lake Apr 5, 2021, 7:01 AM

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modders

cedar hemlock Apr 5, 2021, 7:10 AM

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#modding-discussion

deep wave Apr 5, 2021, 7:10 AM

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assuming this is for rando? also #modding-discussion

regal iris Apr 5, 2021, 7:11 AM

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Oops. I blame insufficient coffee.

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 11:09 AM

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i'll start working on modinstaller so i can make my own mod work properly without telling people to install this to there

abstract siren Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 AM

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HI

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 AM

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the hell?

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i try to open modmanager.cs it just displays this

abstract siren Apr 5, 2021, 11:22 AM

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hi

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 11:23 AM

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Wrong channel numbers

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 11:31 AM

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where is the code that scans the modlinks.xml?

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oh

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looks like i found it

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nope i don't think so

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 11:38 AM

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https://github.com/ricardosouzag/ModInstaller/blob/master/ModInstaller/ModManager.cs#L123 from here onwards i think

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 11:41 AM

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~~eh i'll just make a code that scans a part of modlink if it exists i guess~~

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actually

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hmm

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:10 PM

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i don't think i can modify the code in any way lol its just way too complicated. i'll add auto-dependency-install from the mod itself i guess

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@jolly oriole Does this code get the location of my DLL or simply the location of the game's exe file?
Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().Location;

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:20 PM

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that is a very good question that i don't know the answer to

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so i suggest googling that (msdn probably has an asnwer)

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Seems like a fuzz

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 12:21 PM

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rough pulsar <@!202560032712163329> Does this code get the location of my DLL or simply the l...

Dll I think

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At least in among us modding it’s dll

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:23 PM

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i hope

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:23 PM

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rough pulsar Seems like a fuzz

idk, microsoft seems like a good source for c# stuff

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considering they made it

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Yeah

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:26 PM

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OH WAIT

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ziparchive doesn't exist in .net framework 3.5

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what can i use now

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 12:36 PM

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What does the installer use

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To unzip

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:37 PM

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ZipArchive

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The ModInstaller uses .NET Framework 4.7.2@vocal spire

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 12:38 PM

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~~Let’s forget I said that~~

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/593026/is-there-a-built-in-zip-library-in-net-3-5

Stack Overflow

Is there a built-in zip library in .NET 3.5?

If not, what are the popular open source .net zip libraries.

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Can I even upgrade to .NET Framework 4.5 in my mod or any newer versions? @jolly oriole

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Or just any version

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:42 PM

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if you target any .net version aside from framework 3.5 in mods for 1432 the mod won't get loaded correctly

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if that's what you're asking

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:42 PM

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1432 the mod????

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oh

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1432?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:42 PM

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hk patch 1432

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:43 PM

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And .NET Framework 3.5 is from like, 2002. soulpensive

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 12:44 PM

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and what unity 2017 uses ¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 12:50 PM

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I got a library that can interact with zip files for .NET Framework 3.5 so that's pog

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That's pogn't is that

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i had to use the old version

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0.86.0

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:11 PM

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Also uh I noticed there are different scenes with
Cinematic_Ending_A,Cinematic_Ending_B,Cinematic_Ending_C
and so on
I only know Cinematic_Ending_C, can anyone explain the others

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 1:13 PM

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a is the hollow knight ending
b is sealed siblings
c is dream no more
d is embrace the void
e is embrace the void

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:13 PM

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e = embrace the void with flower

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i assume.

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 1:13 PM

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i have no idea which of d & e is the flower one tbh

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 1:23 PM

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rough pulsar i'll start working on modinstaller so i can make my own mod work properly withou...

~~you could just put 'READ THE README' in the modname and put the instructions on how to install it in there~~

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 1:23 PM

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as if that helps, just look at hollow point

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 1:28 PM

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That says readme in the installer. The trick is to say it in the modname which also shows on top left of main menu

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 1:29 PM

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hm, may actually be more efficient grubthink

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Yeah I'lld o that

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After adding #region stuffs into my code this seems WAY more clean

jolly jungle Apr 5, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Wait what are you making @rough pulsar

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Finally my eyes don't bleed reading that

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:47 PM

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jolly jungle Wait what are you making <@!820685412208345148>

A mod that adds detailed stats into your discord game status

jolly jungle Apr 5, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Yo that's cool

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How complex is the setup though that makes it so important to read the readme

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Well I guess anything that isn't just load the mod makes reading the readme important already

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But you know what I mean

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 1:48 PM

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You have to add a file to data ->plugins

jolly jungle Apr 5, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Ah, not so complicated
Only read-the-readme-and-do-what-it-says complicated

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Is the mod itself done or...?

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Cuz I remember seeing a screenshot

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At some point today or yesterday

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 1:50 PM

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Yea it's in the installer

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I'll update it just a little bit later

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Which will display your current SOUL and HP

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Alright I changed some stuff

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Now is the time I create the guide

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Btw not sure but you know the SHA1 field in modlinks.xml?

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I wanna make sure that uh

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is the SHA1, the SHA1 of the Zip or the DLL?

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Dll

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 1:58 PM

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i hope it's the DLL inside the Zip we are talking about

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Yes

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:24 PM

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look at my status

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full status

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i'm also going to add a keybind to disable SOUL preview

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 2:25 PM

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why is it 33/66 soul

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:25 PM

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each soul vessel has 33 soul, i have 2 soul vessels

proven cipher Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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One of which is full

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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looks confusing

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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hmm

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i don't know how to measure it

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i'm just going to leave it at disabled in default

proven cipher Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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I got it straight away, but honestly I don't think it's necessary

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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ye probably

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 2:26 PM

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maybe writing the amount of spells usage?

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like 33 = 1 spell

proven cipher Apr 5, 2021, 2:27 PM

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I think that's more confusing

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 2:30 PM

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rough pulsar i'm also going to add a keybind to disable SOUL preview

instead of keybind make a settings file for the options.

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:31 PM

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it looks more bloated so i just removed it

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 2:31 PM

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it = key bind or soul?

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:32 PM

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soul

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 2:51 PM

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i made a guide for my mod
https://kaangaming.github.io/HollowKnightDRPC/guide/Guide.html

merry lotus Apr 5, 2021, 3:05 PM

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light zodiac instead of keybind make a settings file for the options.

This.
I have so many key binds going on these days. Unless something needs to happen instantly while playing, I'd rather it not be a bind.

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 3:05 PM

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don't worry i just scrapped the idea

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no keybinds or anything zote

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this is my readme for my mod

📎 README.txt

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 3:26 PM

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I have made le pull request, can relax now. grimmsleep

light zodiac Apr 5, 2021, 3:27 PM

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rough pulsar i made a guide for my mod https://kaangaming.github.io/HollowKnightDRPC/guide/Gu...

Imagine doing all that work for no one to read it 🙃

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 3:28 PM

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they'll eventually have to

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or else they will ask in #archived-modding-help without realizing the README exists

floral furnace Apr 5, 2021, 3:28 PM

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mood

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 3:29 PM

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i made a commit immediately so people read the readme hollowwheeze
https://github.com/ricardosouzag/ModInstaller/pull/80/commits/d3c9fdc6022a173a00d497de9809e10c6258b008

merry lotus Apr 5, 2021, 3:46 PM

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rough pulsar or else they will ask in <#462200562620825600> without realizing the README exis...

You say this like it doesn't happen literally every day grubthink ||#hollowpoint||

rough pulsar Apr 5, 2021, 3:47 PM

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oh recently someone asked that they had troubles with my mod

nimble lake Apr 5, 2021, 7:12 PM

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rough pulsar this is my readme for my mod

modders

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 7:31 PM

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how can i add something from the base game (e.g. a vengefly) into my custom room?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 8:04 PM

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you could construct it yourself

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 8:05 PM

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i could, but i have even less of an idea how to do that

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Preloading

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Look in the mod class in the apidocs

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 8:07 PM

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oh, thats perfect, thank you!

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 9:40 PM

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where do i find the full name of an object i want to preload?

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Pins, scene dumps

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It will look like
Parentofparent/parent/target object
but probably with a different number of parents

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 9:47 PM

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which pin is that...?

vocal spire Apr 5, 2021, 9:47 PM

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runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 9:47 PM

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thx

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 10:03 PM

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ok...

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what am i doing wrong now?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 10:04 PM

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/, not \

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 10:05 PM

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yeah, i suppose that would be a fairly large problem...

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ok, and after i've preloaded something, how do i actually spawn it?

copper nacelle Apr 5, 2021, 10:12 PM

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UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate

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Set it active too

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 10:15 PM

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is that mentioned on the apidocs or is there somewhere i can see what that looks like?

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 10:16 PM

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looking at the apidocs, i can't believe saleh put a frame eater in the tutorial with utiny ripper

jolly oriole Apr 5, 2021, 10:17 PM

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runic topaz is that mentioned on the apidocs or is there somewhere i can see what that looks...

https://docs.unity3d.com/2017.4/Documentation/ScriptReference/Object.Instantiate.html

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 10:18 PM

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awesome, thx you all so much, this community is the best

runic topaz Apr 5, 2021, 11:59 PM

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in order to use object.instantiate i need to know the name of the object I'm cloning, what do i refer to the object i preloaded as?

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

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or i suppose its also entirely possible im doing this all wrong because im an idiot who has no idea what he's doing, but if thats the case, what should i do instead

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 12:19 AM

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you need to set it up in a dictionary in initialize right

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https://radiance.host/apidocs/ModdingAPI.html#initialize

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 12:22 AM

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you don't need to do a dictionary necessarily

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you can straight up just assign the dict it gives to a field

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or you could like just fill some fields

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 12:26 AM

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is there any reason why this shouldn't work?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 12:27 AM

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I mean you could do that

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You'd just have a husk in the menu

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an inactive one at that

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 12:27 AM

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?

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 12:27 AM

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i think you should probably create a variable containing the gameobject

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so you can set it to active and stuff

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idk tho

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 AM

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quick question does anyone know if nail arts are on Knight.png ? they look like they are, just confirming

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 12:48 AM

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they are

fair rampart Apr 6, 2021, 12:53 AM

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sadcowgrub

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 12:55 AM

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languid goblet they are

ty

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 12:56 AM

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how do i set the aforementioned husk as active?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 12:57 AM

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var go = UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(husk, pos, Quaternion.identity);
go.SetActive(true);

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 1:08 AM

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thx

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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a small teaser 😁 (deleted from the other channel as this one seemed better suited to it)

runic topaz Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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ooohhh

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that seems awesome

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 1:27 AM

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a few animations are buggy but much of the Knight.png & Sprint.png can sync now

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 1:51 AM

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ooh are you the one working on HKMP?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 1:55 AM

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languid goblet ooh are you the one working on HKMP?

yes the "ServerKnights" skin sync feature

dire tiger Apr 6, 2021, 1:56 AM

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nice

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 1:57 AM

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that's fantastic! does the server get the skins from your machine or is there like some "server folder" with skins that all the players can choose from?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 1:59 AM

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languid goblet that's fantastic! does the server get the skins from your machine or is there li...

the server has a json file which has drive links to the available skins (max 9 per server) - individual player's game downloads them and caches them for the future (even for other servers, as long as the skinurls are the same)

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 2:01 AM

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sounds cool, guess it's more efficient this way than sending all the skins to the server and then back to everyone's games

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:02 AM

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languid goblet sounds cool, guess it's more efficient this way than sending all the skins to th...

yep, i'd tried sending just one way server -> client. 9 Knight.pngs took around 10~ mins to transfer 😅

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:39 AM

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how does one debug a message like this ? is there a way to add breakpoints in our code ? or do i have to add a log line after every line of the function to actually get the line number that is cursed ?

message: Object reference not set to an instance of an object, stacktrace: at HKMP.Animation.Effects.CrystalDash.Play (UnityEngine.GameObject playerObject, HKMP.ServerKnights.clientSkin skin, System.Boolean[] effectInfo) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:39 AM

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the log is what people tend to do

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you can get the actual trace w/ lines though

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:40 AM

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how ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:40 AM

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you have to use mdb2pdb on the pdb and then put that next to your dll

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might also need the debug unity runner?

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i have a copy of that if that ends up being the case fwiw

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i'd check but like effort

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:41 AM

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i have 0 idea what any of that even is

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mdb2pdb sounds like sourcemaps ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:41 AM

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it's just a util that comes with mono

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might come with vs

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:42 AM

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i'm using vsc + msbuild

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:43 AM

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lemme see if i can find mdb2pdb

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i found the tech

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https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=SebastienLebreton.VisualStudio2015ToolsforUnity

Visual Studio 2015 Tools for Unity - Visual Studio Marketplace

Extension for Visual Studio - Write and debug your Unity 3D games inside Microsoft Visual Studio.

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this thing had it

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there's also one in mono

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:44 AM

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this looks super windows only

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:44 AM

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mac?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:44 AM

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yep

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:44 AM

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https://github.com/mono/mono/tree/79b6e3f256a59ede74596ce82547f320bf1e9a99/mcs/tools/mdb2ppdb

GitHub

mono/mono

Mono open source ECMA CLI, C# and .NET implementation. - mono/mono

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wow this is the tiniest fucking app in existence

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straight up just use cecil

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the god tech

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I can just give you the exe if I can find it tbqh

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:47 AM

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would the exe work on mac ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:47 AM

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yeah you just run it through mono

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:48 AM

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okay and how'd i use it to link the stacktrace with the line number?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:49 AM

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you just run it on the pdb to get an mdb

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and then put the mdb in the mods folder so it loads with the assembly

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:49 AM

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okay, could you share the exe ?

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i'll just add it to my build.sh to make the mdb and copy it everytime i build

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https://gist.github.com/jbevain/ba23149da8369e4a966f

is this it ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:52 AM

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probably yeah

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seems like it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:54 AM

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okay i'mma try it

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i'm guessing this is not the exe i need ?

mono pdb2mdb.exe ./HKMP/HKMP/bin/Debug/HKMP.dll
WARNING: The runtime version supported by this application is unavailable.
Using default runtime: v4.0.30319
Fatal error:
System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:56 AM

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wait

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maybe i'm bad nvm

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You need an outfile

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

^ this is what the thingy said

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oh outfile would be hkmp.dll.mdb ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 2:57 AM

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no it's another assembly

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from the source

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they add some data to make the mdb work from the look of it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:00 AM

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so this should have worked right ?

mono pdb2mdb.exe ./HKMP/HKMP/bin/Debug/HKMP.dll ./HKMP2.dll
WARNING: The runtime version supported by this application is unavailable.
Using default runtime: v4.0.30319
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Wtf

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i'll dnspy it ig

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this one is just 1 arg

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apparently

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idk why it would throw

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Do you have unity?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:04 AM

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i do

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:05 AM

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in the unity files under unity/editor/data/monobleedingedge/lib/mono/4.5 there should be a copy of pdb2mdb there

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:05 AM

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is it possible that i need an older pdb2mdb ?

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ah okay let me try looking for it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:15 AM

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copper nacelle in the unity files under unity/editor/data/monobleedingedge/lib/mono/4.5 there s...

would it be possible for you to share the file ? i can't seem to find the file path on mac

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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ye

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📎 pdb2mdb.exe

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idk if it needs the dlls w/ it

📎 4.5.zip

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but here's the zip

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:21 AM

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ty

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this is what i get
mono pdb2mdb/pdb2mdb.exe ~/serverknights/HKMP/HKMP/bin/Debug/HKMP.dll HKMP.dll
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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don't use the 2nd param

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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okay

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it still spits out the same thing

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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index error?

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you could try going to the folder of the dll

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otherwise no idea

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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no no it just gives "Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly
"

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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with only one argument?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:31 AM

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yep

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:32 AM

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show

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idk

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:42 AM

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variations i have tried

mono ./pdb2mdb.exe HKMP.dll
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

mono ./pdb2mdb.exe ./HKMP.dll
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

mono ./pdb2mdb.exe HKMP
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Fucked

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If it thinks your file doesn't exist that would make sense

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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i have even tried giving it absolute path though :/

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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the dll is in the same folder?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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yep tried that too

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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try

📎 aa.exe

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instead of pdb2mdb

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:51 AM

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dafug?

mono aa.exe ./HKMP.dll
args length is 1, args is ./HKMP.dll
file does not exist (but from the catch in try/catch) ngl
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:51 AM

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lmao

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alright

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do you have a pdb in the folder?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:53 AM

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ls
HKMP.dll HKMP.pdb aa.exe

mono aa.exe HKMP.dll
args length is 1, args is HKMP.dll
file does not exist (but from the catch in try/catch) ngl
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:54 AM

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📎 aa.exe

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use this one now

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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gg

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mono aa.exe HKMP.dll
args length is 1, args is HKMP.dll
file does not exist (but from the catch in try/catch) ngl
System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Cecil, Version=0.10.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies.
File name: 'Mono.Cecil, Version=0.10.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756'
at Pdb2Mdb.Driver.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00049] in <1279233ce2304b44acb52c964b80239f>:0
Mono pdb to mdb debug symbol store converter
Usage: pdb2mdb assembly

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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ah

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yeah that would do it

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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copper nacelle idk if it needs the dlls w/ it

use this

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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okay

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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and put the pdb + dll in it instead

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it's missing dependencies

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:57 AM

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i still get the same error tho

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:57 AM

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with aa.exe in that folder?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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is this meant to have a Mono.Cecil.dll here ?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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copper nacelle with aa.exe in that folder?

yep

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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you know

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you make a good point

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i'm just gonna build it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 4:02 AM

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with a built in copy of Cecil ?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 4:43 AM

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so turns out i have a copy of what is called a pdb2mdb on mac as a part of the mono framework

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it seems to run but then says
"Error: A portable PDB can't be converted to mdb."

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https://github.com/dotnet/msbuild/issues/4223
😭

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:03 AM

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I was with family sorry

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You can set msbuild to not create a portable pdb

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In the csproj

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You don't want it set as portable

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you want full

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afaik

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or pdbonly if that doesn't work

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:10 AM

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according to the github issue on mac it never generates a full pdb always portable

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my csproj had it set to full

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Oh that's shitty

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hmmm

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you're building for framework yeah?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 AM

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copper nacelle you're building for framework yeah?

how can i confirm this ? i recall trying to install both when trying to get the thing to build 😅

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 AM

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show me the top of your csproj

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Screenshot_2021-04-06_at_10.47.06_AM.png

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:19 AM

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hmm

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oh this is vsc yeah?

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you could try the jetbrains msbuild http://jb.gg/msbuild

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but at this point it's probably easier to just log tbh

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Unfortunately

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:22 AM

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i am using msbuild in the terminal to build currently , and yeah logging seems easier at the moment

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Wtf

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Are you not using OmniSharp?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:29 AM

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i have no idea what that is 😅 i just went ahead and compiled modding api, modCommon & HKMP using terminal and setup my own build script to copy the dlls into the game.

rest till now i've been using vsc as the only tool

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:31 AM

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there's a vsc extension called OmniSharp which gives you c# error/warning/suggestions etc.

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:34 AM

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i have been getting those tho, maybe i installed it when vsc suggested to?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:35 AM

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maybe

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there's a build button in there too though fwiw

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:37 AM

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can i set it to run my script of delete files & copy dlls ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 5:41 AM

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you just put it as a postbuild event

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https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.QoL/blob/master/QoL/QoL.csproj#L71

GitHub

fifty-six/HollowKnight.QoL

A collection of QoL improvements for Hollow Knight - fifty-six/HollowKnight.QoL

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like this is what i have

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there's an <Exec command to run anything though so you can just run a script

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 5:48 AM

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copper nacelle there's an <Exec command to run anything though so you can just run a script

i think this would work for what i want

cedar hemlock Apr 6, 2021, 7:32 AM

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rough pulsar oh recently someone asked that they had troubles with my mod

i made a pull to fix the inf updates

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why do people always break their mod

jolly jungle Apr 6, 2021, 8:05 AM

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rough pulsar this is my readme for my mod

I love the last feature, it shows the modding community in a really nice light

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Also there's a mod in development called Sanctuary which iirc also adds a new area or something

jolly jungle Apr 6, 2021, 8:07 AM

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floral blade a small teaser 😁 (deleted from the other channel as this one seemed better sui...

Is that what I think it is sharpeD

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 9:06 AM

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<@&283547423706447872> channel spammer

nimble lake Apr 6, 2021, 9:07 AM

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not modders

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:51 AM

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jolly jungle Is that what I think it is <:sharpeD:627803420799270933>

if you think it is a multiplayer mod with players being able to have different skins then yes, this is HKMP - ServerKnights !

jolly jungle Apr 6, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Woo, nice

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Is it part of HKMP or an additional mod?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:52 AM

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part of HKMP

jolly jungle Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Awesome

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Enemy syncing is next?

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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i hope enemy sync exists

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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jolly jungle Enemy syncing is next?

can't comment on that , it is being looked at but nothing concrete as of now

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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well

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will exist i hope

jolly jungle Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 AM

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It's gonna be more complicated than skins, I guess

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:55 AM

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syncing enemies when we are dealing with a single player game is going to have a lot more challenges than just the networking bits, atleast if we want it to still be fun for all players at the end

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 10:56 AM

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hollow knight is a singleplayer

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my idea would be to just sync the enemies with the host's enemy positions

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:57 AM

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rough pulsar my idea would be to just sync the enemies with the host's enemy positions

this may not be fun in multiplayer , imagine all if enemys ignored you in the base game but for possibly 3-4 players

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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@floral blade thought i would ask quick, is custom knight supported right now?

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 12:15 PM

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rough pulsar <@!731231925599076432> thought i would ask quick, is custom knight supported rig...

not custom knight directly, but the skins support is coming along via ServerKnights

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

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floral blade this may not be fun in multiplayer , imagine all if enemys ignored you in the ba...

Possible solution: if when an fsm gets the distance to a object, check of the target object if the knight or an multi-knight, if it is, then set the target object to the closest of the knights

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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is there any way to make my mod toggleable

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Itoggleablemod

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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thank

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 12:46 PM

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vocal spire Possible solution: if when an fsm gets the distance to a object, check of the ta...

so just sync the enemies with the host's position of these enemies, just with the difference that the target is different

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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I should have clarified that the host willl sync the targets

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Anyways if no one else will do it, I’ll see about doing it

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It seems fun

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 12:59 PM

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any way to replace default assets in mods?

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Wdym

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Like replace a sprite with another?

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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yes

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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GameObject(Instance).GetComponent<SpriteRenderer>().sprite = thecustomspriteimade

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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like how custom knight does maybe

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oh

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ok

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Oh, then you probably aren’t going to use spriterenderers

cedar hemlock Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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tex2d

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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You can look at the CustomKnight source on how to do that

rough pulsar Apr 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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oki

vocal spire Apr 6, 2021, 1:03 PM

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cedar hemlock tex2d

(This explains nothing)

cedar hemlock Apr 6, 2021, 1:10 PM

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it doesn't

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i only know that has something to do with it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 1:48 PM

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vocal spire Possible solution: if when an fsm gets the distance to a object, check of the ta...

set to closest with a min time it will remain locked on might work

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that and retarget on getting hit (maybe with heavy blow 😛 ) sounds like it might be fun , how would it work for mantis lords tho ?

pure nova Apr 6, 2021, 8:18 PM

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How do you "get" the variables from a script? I get how to do methods and booleans, but nothing I try to do works with other variable types.

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I feel like I've asked this question before.

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I just can't put my tongue to the answer.

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 PM

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I downloaded the scene files

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from the pins

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how do you open them using HKedit?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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you don't

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you open them in notepad ngl

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:36 PM

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and edit them from there?

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but how does one get the proper type of file to open in HKedit

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Do you need the prefabs?

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or something like that?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:54 PM

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what

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the zip and rar in the pins are text files

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:54 PM

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do you know unity?

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ik that

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but they are text files that reference prefabs

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pretty much just the playmaker scripts

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I haven't used hkedit much at all but from what I understand you just load the scene from the asset file

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The text files are like completely unrelated

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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ok

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and how do I get the asset file?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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they're in the game folder

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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I'm on mac

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and I don't know how to decompile

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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ok

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and

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they are still in the folder

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit2 i have no clue if this works with mac at all

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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That's what I've been using

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I set it up

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I just have none of the actual scene files

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because of the way that mac works

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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yeah you do

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they're literally in the .app

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you just show contents

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I'm there

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would it be in the data folder?

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because it's either empty

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or I don't have permission to see any of its contents

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 9:01 PM

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steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:01 PM

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oh my bad

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thanks

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a lot

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:29 PM

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and it's stuck loading

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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general conceptual question, does anyone have any ideas on how we could sync "private"/"challenge" skins so that others can see the player's skin but not be able to use it themselves ?

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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steady dome and it's stuck loading

does the console show any errors

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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one sec

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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floral blade general conceptual question, does anyone have any ideas on how we could sync "pr...

I mean you can leave them in memory but at the end of the day if you transmit the image data someone is going to be able to modify the client if they really care

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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dark wigeon does the console show any errors

it might be working now

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it got stuck last time on Recursing GameObject dependencies

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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copper nacelle I mean you can leave them in memory but at the end of the day if you transmit th...

exactly the challenge, you can't encrypt / decrypt it either because if its in game a mod can pick and export it

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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yep it's getting stuck there

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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what's the error

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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floral blade exactly the challenge, you can't encrypt / decrypt it either because if its in g...

that's an unsolvable challenge though

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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NullReferenceExeption Object reference not set to an instance of an object

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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screenshot the entire thing

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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ok

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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nullreference is a generic error

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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ok

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just quit out of unity

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:04 PM

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jolly oriole that's an unsolvable challenge though

if we can make the sheets useless with customKnight & ServerKnights if exported it can work

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like an entirely different spritesheet layout could be a starting point

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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steady dome just quit out of unity

I'm expecting it to look like this error?

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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that looks like an older version of unity

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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you need unity 2017 to run this anyway

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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I just changed the version

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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but it doesn't really matter since that only happens at the very end

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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when transfering it

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there's an option to shift project versions

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so I just shifted it to 2020.something

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:06 PM

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right but for this case you need to keep the original project version

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normally when you upgrade a project it will upgrade the files as well, but since hollow knight is not technically part of the project, those files aren't going to be upgraded

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so stay in 2017

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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well where could I download unity 2017

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Unity has discontinued it

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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https://unity3d.com/get-unity/download/archive

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:07 PM

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oh thanks

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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get 2017.4.10f1

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just to be safe

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but it should be backwards compatible with any 2017.4 versions

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:08 PM

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got it

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wait

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will it be in 32 bit?

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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doesn't matter

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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because macs can't run 32 bit apps anymore

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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hkwe is in c# not c++ so 32bit or 64bit doesn't matter

steady dome Apr 6, 2021, 10:09 PM

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ok

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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floral blade like an entirely different spritesheet layout could be a starting point

have fun making the changes to the spritesheet on the fly, because the custom skin creators probably won't remake their spritesheets because of hkmp

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

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jolly oriole have fun making the changes to the spritesheet on the fly, because the custom sk...

yep thats the thing a really dedicated person could still get it out

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watermarking is one option, the skins are shared over the network after adding a watermark, the player who earned it sees it in its full glory and if anyone steals it they will be publicly announcing that fact.

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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x5fiftPrime

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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i mean yea, why not, make it look hella ugly for everyone(-1) in a multiplayer game

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but this is an easier method of doing that

📎 Pale_King_Reimagined.zip

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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whose face is gonna be on it

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i cba opening it

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:14 PM

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it's radial spectrum, or however you call it

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rainbow circle

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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ah

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:15 PM

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jolly oriole i mean yea, why not, make it look hella ugly for everyone(-1) in a multiplayer g...

i'm just exploring possible options here.

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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just jpegify the sheet a lot before sending it

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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deepfry

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:16 PM

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another option is adding a "private" mode, where you can set a public skin and a private skin (might just be the default skin)

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this might be the simplest option to let people enjoy the skins they've earned while being able to play multiplayer

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:18 PM

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i mean honestly idk if anyone who wants to steal skins would even know how to dump them tbqh

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:19 PM

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copper nacelle i mean honestly idk if anyone who wants to steal skins would even know how to du...

this was kind of the thought behind just obscuring it slightly, to make it hard to obtain for most people

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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make it like that one minecraft mod hid a killswitch: obscure it with base64 encoded reflection calls

languid goblet Apr 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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is it possible to detect if godump is installed

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and then just like, stop if from working if it is

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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languid goblet is it possible to detect if godump is installed

could i not just write my own mod to dump player object's textures ?

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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you could yeah

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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doesn't godump take like 3 minutes flat to just gather sprites?

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:21 PM

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you could do anything by just dnspying the mod

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perfect place to catch the png coming in and write it

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:22 PM

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dark wigeon you could do anything by just dnspying the mod

this is why i want to obscure the image itself in such a way on the sender side that it can not be used by just dumping

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its possible to get the file but if it isn't much use without significant effort, that might turn most people who would try to steal off

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:23 PM

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obviously, but if the client is rendering it somehow then you can already find a way to dump it

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I guess you could do something like making a mesh with uvs on a palette or something

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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you can just straight up take the texture off the renderer

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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hence why the texture would be a palette

copper nacelle Apr 6, 2021, 10:24 PM

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oh

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i see

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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dark wigeon I guess you could do something like making a mesh with uvs on a palette or somet...

you're referring to a tile map ?

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:25 PM

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basically, yeah

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you could like scramble up different sections of the image and have the mesh correct it in the right order

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

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i mean, one could still dnspy it though, especially with server & client being in one dll

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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well you'd have to write something to turn the image back into a png since the client would only have a one way function

jolly oriole Apr 6, 2021, 10:35 PM

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yea ¯_(ツ)_/¯

floral blade Apr 6, 2021, 10:36 PM

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is there a way to make a file not able to decrypt after a certain time ?

dark wigeon Apr 6, 2021, 10:36 PM

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not really since you could always fake time

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:03 AM

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this is a very high level logic of what could work for a multiplayer system IMO

Server sends “Challenge phrase” to client.
Client uses it , a key file & the skin to generate a “response phrase”
Using response phrase + challenge phrase + skin server determines if the client has a valid key (the key is never sent to the server)

If they have a valid key, only then they are allowed to equip the skin on that server.
Others can see it but not equip it over multiplayer because they dont have the key.

obviously this does not solve the problem that these skins can still be used in customKnight.
maybe some obfuscation here to make it harder to use with customKnight might be enough to work?

vocal spire Apr 7, 2021, 12:08 AM

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in the end you can't really do anything since HKMP is open source and anyone can decrypt whatever you do by just making a custom ver of the mod. now, you could add something where you check with google drive or something if the mod's hash is the same as what it should be, but that still could easily be fixed by rewriting whatever code you write for it

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:22 AM

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vocal spire in the end you can't really do anything since HKMP is open source and anyone can...

this is true, but see the challenge phrase is determined by the server instance not HKMP code itself , this information is not available to anyone before hand and the key is held by the skin owner , this information is also not known to the attacker.

so it might be possible that they can rip the skin files themselves, but they would not be able to equip them on this server. perhaps when/if we have official servers where anyone can join, then this might make more sense.

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without the correct response phrase the server will simply not broadcast to other players that they are using such a skin. and might even choose to disconnect the player on multiple invalid retries.

runic topaz Apr 7, 2021, 1:44 AM

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2 questions: 1) whats wrong with this? 2)should this spawn an active husk in "newroom" when i enter it?

vocal spire Apr 7, 2021, 1:47 AM

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runic topaz

Why is preloadedObjects in there?, it’s supposed to be in initialize

dark wigeon Apr 7, 2021, 1:47 AM

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dark wigeon you could like scramble up different sections of the image and have the mesh cor...

this is basically what I meant but obviously with much smaller blocks (or even 1x1 blocks if you hated people's computers). if someone tried to dump this texture they would get the stuff on the left but in game it would look like something on the right. not easily dumpable but still rendering fine.

runic topaz Apr 7, 2021, 1:58 AM

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vocal spire Why is preloadedObjects in there?, it’s supposed to be in initialize

its there because im an idiot who doesn't know how to mod, or, evidently, read

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is this better? i really have no clue what im doing here, im just trying my best

vocal spire Apr 7, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Well remove it from GameManager thing since it doesn’t belong

runic topaz Apr 7, 2021, 2:02 AM

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ok, i wanted it to spawn when i enter the scene, and i thought that would be how id do it, if its in initialise itll just spawn when the mod boots up, not when i enter the room, right?

copper nacelle Apr 7, 2021, 2:06 AM

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declare a field to hold your preloaded objects

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hooks need a specific signature for the method you can't just add shit

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but you can use your instance and static fields just fine

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 2:26 AM

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dark wigeon this is basically what I meant but obviously with much smaller blocks (or even 1...

this looks precisely like i had imagined it when you'd said it , this + the server challenge response could be enough to deter all but the most dedicated people.

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 11:55 AM

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except there is no money involved and this setup would be free for everyone to use (or to not use) 😅

it'd just be a shame if people who had unique skins could not use them on multiplayer because others would be able to steal them, they might not want to but i would like for them to have an option to (use the skins in MP).

vocal spire Apr 7, 2021, 11:56 AM

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a solution could be sending skin names instead of files

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if someone else equips a skin and you have a skin with that name, that skin is put on that player

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 11:58 AM

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vocal spire if someone else equips a skin and you have a skin with that name, that skin is p...

this way only if you have that skin you'd see it, which for unique skins would be a very few people (maybe none)
in that case might be better to just have a "local skin" option which only applies the skin to the local player

jolly oriole Apr 7, 2021, 12:02 PM

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has the exact same effect if you ask me

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:03 PM

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jolly oriole has the exact same effect if you ask me

yeah, this is why i wanted to have a skin that can be shared with other players but not equipped by them (at least not with trivial effort reqd)

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it is basically going to be a kind of DRM

jolly oriole Apr 7, 2021, 12:04 PM

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but the name (or a hash of the images) could save upwards of 1 MB (idek how big some skins are)

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per person/skin

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:14 PM

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jolly oriole but the name (or a hash of the images) could save upwards of 1 MB (idek how big ...

i am sending hashes over tho

jolly oriole Apr 7, 2021, 12:14 PM

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k

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:14 PM

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and if the player has a directory with the same name as the hash i use the files inside it

jolly oriole Apr 7, 2021, 12:14 PM

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k

floral blade Apr 7, 2021, 12:15 PM

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else we give them a url to download the skin (which the mod does internally)

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in case you're interested in the skin sync flow i wrote up a small doc :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2HdoL29BQockHCaMaMtrgxEyBD1yykYuRSfxiXqJXg/edit

rough pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 12:26 PM

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what are the scene names for Mr. Mushroom cutscenes and Stag Travel cutscene?

steady comet Apr 7, 2021, 12:28 PM

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I would guess Cinematic_MrMushroom and Cinematic_Stag_travel

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(Those files exist if you download the pinned "game object dump by scene")

light zodiac Apr 7, 2021, 12:29 PM

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pretty sure they should be caps

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best way to check would be to use LanguageGetHook and log the keys

rough pulsar Apr 7, 2021, 12:29 PM

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is it Cinematic_Stag_Travel or Cinematic_Stag_travel

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I want to be 100% sure