Any good boss fight mods?
#archived-modding-development
worn meadow
fair rampart
That's really not all of the boss mods
ultimatum radiance
atomic radiance
void vessel?
did that ever get published?
yeah i guess
i could make void vessel
just use cheat engine
it speeds up the game by 25% right?
i thought that was it
There's Pale Prince, Pale Champion, Ult Rad, GoB, NGG, DoH, A Lost Kin buff, Empress Muzznik, Royal Dreamer and that's about all I remember
delicate ether
Is Randomizer 2 fit for serious playthroughs? Ive not been in the hollowknight modding scene for over a year.
fair rampart
I'm not sure if it's publicly released
what does that do even?
It buffs Markoth
no randomizer 2
fair rampart
huh
delicate ether
im going off the pined descriptions page
fair rampart
i dont think it's fit for a playthrough
you might get the dash by the end of the game
which means you can't go to city of tears
and you'll never get the dash
Pretty sure every rando seed is made so that you can beat the game without cheats
Not sure though
well then it is
delicate ether
Well, I used to play the chaos randomizer, and that would straight up lock/crash your game.
Thats what i mean by "fit for serious playthrough"
mossy pike
@delicate ether there is a much more advanced version of Rando in the pins of #randomizer
It is stable, if that's your concern
delicate ether
well, i got randomizer 3 from the website, and then it mentioned in the readme something called "modinstaller", after googling around for a bit i found that and im going to use that
However its telling me its unable to locate game files, so I guess that doesnt work.
mossy pike
Is your game folder in any strange location/with a strange name?
delicate ether
G:\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight
mossy pike
Oh it's probably because your hard drive letter is not a common one like C: or D:
Can't you just point out the location to the installer?
delicate ether
It asked me a couple times if it was the correct path
No, the installer doesnt start
It gives that error and closes
mossy pike
Oh k
I had that several times and redownloading it fixed that, but I don't know if that can fix your problem
delicate ether
Nope, didnt help
i gues i'll just do it manually, i have the files i want
i think
fair rampart
is there any mod to turn off the hud?
mossy pike
debug mod
magic rover
On Modinstaller
fair rampart
u have a link?
fair rampart
ah thanks
ah the debug mod is awsome
i lost my safe game so i dowloaded one but it doesnt have all the stuff i had now i can turn on the nail upgrades and shit
thanks for that link
solemn rivet
@delicate ether both enemy randomizer as well as item+room rando are well updated and working
delicate ether
I just used randomizer 3 manually and it works
however the rooms arent randomized
i didnt see an option for it either
well, "regions" not rooms
magic rover
Click on Item Randomizer when on setup
magic rover
Thanks
delicate ether
the area and connected area randomizer include items implicitly right?
i should probably get benchwarp heh
magic rover
Ye you should
delicate ether
is 110 precent still a thing? and does it work. also, does charming work with this as well?
magic rover
Pretty sure its outdated
delicate ether
im guesing everything in the drive is up to date? i dont seew any versioning anywhere
magic rover
delicate ether
delicate ether
Does bench warp touch controls at all?
Cuz im having issues where my guy is constantly moving left now.
After hours of playing without benchwarp
delicate ether
Yes
I'm going to use whatsitsname controller program to add a deadzone, maybe its my joys
hollow knight has always been terrible with controller support for me
delicate ether
my left joy is constantly moving, im going to add a deadzone with x360ce
magic rover
Maybe your left joy is probably moving because of dust?
delicate ether
could be, my controller is also old, but its been reliable for ages, may need to try to clean it, its actually going crazy atm, i did replug it and it didnt fix it
itsa weird i just played fine for hours
floral furnace
ughh why does my BoxCollider stops working after the game fully loads, even with DontDestroyOnLoad already
flat forum
which mod
floral furnace
the gameobject with the one that has an attached BoxCollider2D component is still a active, but the collider just stops
the mod im working on
flat forum
of course it's the mod you're working on what is it
floral furnace
oh sorry 😔
gun mod, im trying to create a box collider below the player so i can make them pogo instead of shooting if an enemy is close enough/triggering the collider beneath you
void OnTriggerStay2D(Collider2D col)
{
Modding.Logger.Log("Staying in contact " + col.name);
}
i have like this, during the setup/loading screen its definitely detecting another collider i had
vale spear
is there a mod to make shade lord a playable boss
ornate rivet
make the player recoil upward instead of pogo
floral furnace
but once it loads, its just dies
floral furnace
yeah but i want the knight to specifically down slash (since it looks better) hence i need to detect spikes/enemies below me eitherway
the finding which one to detect isnt the hard part, its making this component work thats iffy
ornate rivet
wdym by it stops working, is the GO not there anymore, is the boxcollider null, or does the boxcollider do nothing
floral furnace
the GO is still there, i can slap a Log("h") and itll continue showing up on my console
box collider seems working AT THE START TO, but once loaded, it stops
ornate rivet
how do you know it works at the start?
floral furnace
ornate rivet
hmm
floral furnace
gist is, bulletPrefabObject is instantiated at the start of the game, then i disable it once its created, then whenever i shoot ofc, the component it has will enable the colliders, all fine and dandy
which means the new boxcollider im making IS detecting the bullet initialization colliders
ornate rivet
so it detects that but nothing else?
floral furnace
i removed
Physics2D.IgnoreCollision(bx, HeroController.instance.GetComponent<BoxCollider2D>(), true);
and now its detecting a Bounds Cage collidername at the start
but yeah still the same, once the it loads proper it just, dies
ehh wtv maybe im just tired, ill get it next time
at least i got bootleg recoil working but h
also this happened out of experimenting earlier, found it amusing
ornate rivet
nimble lake
Hey Saleh I need help
I was talking in #archived-modding-help how I was trying to make the Fury mod affect Grubberfly’s elegy and Glowing womb
Fury of the fallen should work with these but it seems these two charms have their own fsms to work with
I tried doing it myself but I broke the mod by trying
lament ocean
Shade Lord Knight skin
unborn flicker
I will repost my advice from yesterday, since it still seems appropriate:
- If you try to modify an FSM which is null, you will get an exception
- You can easily find and fix exceptions using the try catch environment
delicate ether
It would be neat to have, but a mindfuck to code probably, a map that generates as you explore in randomizer 3 using room mode.
rain cedar
And how do you know there's no exceptions?
nimble lake
The game’s not crashing
unborn flicker
exceptions crash the mod, not the game
nimble lake
Oh
nimble lake
I’ll try when at home
unborn flicker
Yeah, fair
ornate rivet
try{
//put code here
}
catch(System.Exception e){
Log(e);
}```
copper nacelle
not having using System 
ornate rivet
I did it in case they don't
ornate rivet
eeeee
@nimble lake
If it's not finding the GO, you might have to do Resources.LoadAll<GameObject>(""); then find the grubberfly beam
rain cedar
namespace ModNamespace.System
{
public class Exception : global::System.Exception { }
}```56 why the maggotprime
rain cedar
Because loadall is very slow
nimble lake
This is basically what I did
ornate rivet
buddo, you have to either wait for Grubberfly Beam to exist or force it to exist before using it
nimble lake
so add yield return new WaitForSeconds(5f); before _fsm = GameObject.Find("Grubberfly BeamD R").LocateMyFSM("Control");?
nimble lake
But that's already in there
ornate rivet
yield return new WaitWhile(() => HeroController.instance == null); is better
ornate rivet
yes
I say forget about speed and do Resources.LoadAll<GameObject>(""); after the herocontroller loads
You're only doing it once at the very start so it shouldnt matter
56 Sean what is your suggestion
oh wait that's Sean
nimble lake
rain cedar
ornate rivet
Would they do something like:
Modding.ReflectionHelper.GetAttr<HeroController, GameObject>("grubberFlyBeamPrefabD");
nimble lake
well
rain cedar
Bruh moment
nimble lake
let's try
ornate rivet
HeroController.instance.GetAttr<HeroController, GameObject>("grubberFlyBeamPrefabD");
good?
rain cedar
Bruh moment v2
nimble lake
Ah well then I guess that's not it either
safe hamlet
why are you guessing
rain cedar
You're accessing a field and doing nothing with it
unborn flicker
locate your fsm and save it as a variable
nimble lake
but the prefabs are in herocontroller as fields
rain cedar
Yes
rain cedar
GameObjects have an arbitrary amount of components
Such as PlaymakerFSM
Which is what you'll have to modify
nimble lake
maybe I'm supposed to trigger the grubberfly's elegy to fire fury shots through fsms because the prefabs are just prefabs
rain cedar
Prefab is a fancy word for a GameObject that is meant to be instantiated many times
unborn flicker
The prefab is a template gameobject equipped with a template fsm which all the elegy beams are copied from
so modifying the template fsm will make your changes
nimble lake
what do you mean by template?
rain cedar
I think that's a pretty clear wording
rain cedar
Just the Control fsm
Oh there's different prefabs for fury
So you shouldn't have to do anything fancy here
Just replace the normal ones
nimble lake
There's a class called PrefabSwapper, so I'm guessing it's with that?
ornate rivet
HeroController.instance.grubberFlyBeamPrefabL = HeroController.instance.grubberFlyBeamPrefabL_fury;
rain cedar
Never gonna learn if you give them the code
ornate rivet
yea you're right
nimble lake
On one hand, you're completely right, but on the other end I'm at the stage where I can never figure it out myself yet.
Joking aside, thanks for being considerate, I appreciate it
I can't find anything about fury and glowing womb anywhere (hatchling) but tbh I'm not too concerned about this one
tiny siren
has anyone tried to do a customknight sprite but with hornet? I'm assuming not since it includes changing how the game handles the knight's spritesheet since she's so much bigger and goes outside the borders
im new to modding and want to learn more and thought this would be pretty cool to do, if anyone has any pointers it'd be super appreciated
nimble lake
wait hold on
I just realized I'm just swapping the prefabs of grubberfly's elegy and not actually making it stronger
unborn flicker
They probably all use the same fsm
rose siren
copper nacelle
same
nimble lake
How do I access these fsms though?
unborn flicker
.LocateMyFsm("Control");
unborn flicker
.LocateMyFSM then, the same one you've been using before
nimble lake
oh I'm supposed to use _fsm = GameObject.Find("") before that
unborn flicker
_fsm = HeroController.instance.grubberFlyBeamPrefabL.LocateMyFSM("Control");
nimble lake
Not _fsm = GameObject.Find("Grubberfly BeamD R").LocateMyFSM("Control");? I thought you said fsms
this is just the prefab, no?
unborn flicker
yes, as we discussed before, the prefab is a gameobject with an fsm
And GameObject.Find("Grubberfly BeamD R") will always be null
partly because diagonal slashes were removed from the game
but also because the game object only exists while you're slashing with grubberfly equipped
nimble lake
There's this but idk how or what to do with it
unborn flicker
Remove the booltest
nimble lake
I think I'm supposed to place these last ones somewhere else
rain cedar
What are you trying to remove?
nimble lake
booltest
rain cedar
There's no activate state in the screenshot you sent
nimble lake
I'm trying to do the same thing I did with the fury fsm to remove the vignette effect
rain cedar
Should probably target the correct state, then
unborn flicker
The state is Fury Multiplier
unborn flicker
The fsm is Control, the state is Fury Multiplier, and the action is BoolTest
The event which ends Fury Multiplier is FINISHED
rain cedar
Actions aren't indexed by names, to be clear
That's just the type of the action
The states and fsm as a whole have actual names
nimble lake
so, like this?
unborn flicker
😬
rain cedar
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You should try to understand what you have and why it works
Before adding
unborn flicker
As Sean pointed out above, there is no Activate state here
There was one in the previous fsm you modified
nimble lake
There's .RemoveTransition, but I'm pretty sure I could only use that to remove entire events
But that targets the states
rain cedar
Both ways of leaving the state use FINISHED so it won't work to remove that
The fsm will get stuck
nimble lake
Right.
Wait, wouldn't it mean removing BoolTest will cause the fsm to get stuck because FINISHED is in it?
unborn flicker
No, because the FSM always sends finished after executing every action
unborn flicker
Yes
nimble lake
Something is still wrong though
now fury is not activated at all, and I'm only getting red beams that still do normal damage
rain cedar
Not sure why that would be from what you've posted, you'll have to debug
vale zenith
Is there any weird sideeffects to the assignment that would require setting this multiple times even?
vale zenith
ohhhh, I see
vale zenith
Because compilers don't unroll loops anymore in 2019
Also please clarify runtime performance, because we're clearly not going for top development or maintenance performance
rain cedar
I would do something like
foreach (GameObject thing in new[] { HeroController.instance.whatever, etc })```I'd declare the list separately, but essentially the same
just feels easier to read if you declare it first because then the data and the flow are separate
rain cedar
Or we could one line it with .Select().ForEach()
The truly optimal solution
Wait you would need a ToList as well
Because .ForEach isn't linq for some reason
copper nacelle
ForEach really should be IEnumerable
rain cedar
Yeah
objList.Select(obj => obj.LocateFSM("Control")).ToList().ForEach(fsm => fsm.RemoveAction("Fury Multiplier", 0));```Takes so long to type this shit on mobile
vale zenith
You're just crazy even doing this on mobile
nimble lake
so this one instead of _fsm.RemoveAction("Fury Multiplier", 0);?
unborn flicker
What you have is fine
nimble lake
ah
rain cedar
Not to say I don't do shit like this in half my code
I used to use the linq keywords instead of the methods so it could be worse
ornate rivet
For some reason doing this for every frame_target.GetComponent<Rigidbody2D>().velocity = new Vector2(0f, 30f); causes the knight to go up and slightly towards the right
the amount it goes right maxes out
safe hamlet
why are you doing it every frame
ornate rivet
so the knight goes up at constant speed
ornate rivet
that takes more lines of code aka more effort
tbh might use addforce for better effect
nimble lake
Ah btw no one has an idea why fury isn’t working with grubberfly’s, even though I followed instructions
Maybe we look into it tomorrow
unborn flicker
No one has your code
rain cedar
Maybe you look into it tomorrow
ornate rivet
editing fury with elegy reminds of DoH and I don't want to think about it
rain cedar
But you haven't done anything else
nimble lake
I did some things (with help)
I removed the vignette and the sound it makes (with help)
nimble lake
And at times I gave effort
rain cedar
Not all the time, though
ornate rivet
I am very bad at helping
rain cedar
That would be crazy
young walrus
ah yes, I love when I go to work and sometimes I give effort
rain cedar
No reason to always give effort when people will do it for you
ornate rivet
btw can confirm Ttacco's problem, addforce doesn't work for me either
nimble lake
But how else am I supposed to do it? I’m tackling something I have absolutely no idea how it works, and it’s not as if I can google it, because it’s specifically for Hollow Knight
rain cedar
You can start with putting in effort
rain cedar
There's not many hk specific concepts you have to understand for very basic modding
Just Unity basics
ornate rivet
how come doing this every frame kRB.velocity += new Vector2(0f, 5f); makes the knight go up at constant velocity unless the player holds jump?
rain cedar
The HeroController resets its speed constantly, so you're always at 0+5 units/s
ornate rivet
unfortunate
rain cedar
Into the spikes
ornate rivet
I want the player to accelerate toward the spike yea
copper nacelle
add constantforce and then remove it if they go to the side 
you could do that transform.position alternative for rbs that checks collision
ornate rivet
yea might do that
ornate rivet
yep
sometimes it hits so hard the knight bounces back without taking damage 
wait this is the same as me just doing velocity = new vector2(0f,speed) where I increment speed by some value
except it ignores physics
ornate rivet
weak lodge
gives me conniptions
lone canopy
lmao
fair rampart
silk jetty
fair rampart
that's not me dungo
fair rampart
Isn't that the guy who did rad PP charmless nail only
lone canopy
I'm sure it will bring hornet some closure to know that scientists were able to determine the exact value of her mother
fringe wolf
Someone needs to make a mod for mantis lords/SoB + traitor lord at the same time
rain cedar
you
fringe wolf
i have no idea how, nor could i last more than what it takes to take 9 masks damage on it
placid barn
Are there any modding tools for HK?
Otherwise, what are the methods of creating mods for it.
jovial vault
📌
placid barn
Gah. Is HKWorldEdit purely for modifying the aesthetics or can it be used to add events (such as items) as well?
safe hamlet
you can add scripts to stuff
placid barn
I see.
How do I install HKWorldEdit? Sorry if it's mentioned somewhere but I can't find anything.
ornate rivet
hkworldedit isn't done yet. You can edit scenes with unity editor but you can't port them into the game.
To edit levels:
https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit2 Open the folder there with Unity version 2017.4.10f1
placid barn
Thanks.
placid barn
How can I edit what a shop is selling?
I thought the whole modding process was going to be easy 
flat forum
foolish of you to assume that
unborn flicker
Here's an example of it being done:
https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod3.0/Actions/ChangeShopContents.cs
placid barn
Probably helpful, thanks
pseudo pewter
What is Elderbug God?
ornate rivet
@pseudo pewter
https://youtu.be/fuFTmh14Xo4
pseudo pewter
thank you
brisk rock
Any tips for opening(explored all I can so far) in a randomizer game? I got Claw early and grinded for the lamp because I felt it was needed to get to the Resting Grounds, but all shops offer no ranged attacks and I can not figure where to go. Cleared out Salubra's shop and no ranged at Dirtmouth shops, unless Defender Crest can kill the Baldur to Green path. Help?
unborn flicker
Howling Cliffs
rain cedar
From king's pass
brisk rock
yeah i did try there, must be something I am missing to get to the Cliff's then?
rain cedar
Left of where you initially fall in
brisk rock
i did try climbing that wall, no grip that i recall.
i will try again.
forgot about the Geo room to the left with the narrow hole to climb, thanks for the direction.
lone canopy
does randomizer make it so you can go back into the lifeblood core area after grabbing the charm?
because I can't get the arcane egg in there since I haven't found crystal heart yet and don't want to risk losing whatever that's turned into forever
simple python
yep, as long as you have lifeblood
lone canopy
omfg
who is responsible
for the great hoppers in the room next to oro's house
didn't even get geo except from the two that are supposed to spawn ;-;
delicate ether
"i thought the whole modding process was going to be easy"
lone canopy
simple python
could you imagine farming geo in 2019
lone canopy
no better year to farm geo than current year
I can't believe the chest in the weaver's den isn't exempt from the randomization pool
does this mean the chest in grimm's tent is fair game too
simple python
yep
queen dirge
can someone send me the mod installer?
royal ridge
queen dirge
thanks good sir
gilded lotus
that's a bot
flat forum
there should be a Download Anyway option
royal ridge
Thank you for using Benji Bot™
queen dirge
nah my norton straight up deleting it
leaden socket
that file was in the pins when i just checked
flat forum
and I think I there was something with all dialogue prompts
leaden socket
this is probably a stupid question, sorry in advance - i joined this discord after watching a random mod vid on yt (pale champion), the pin has what looks like a good list of mods, but there are only a couple of boss/difficulty type mods, are there any that aren't in this doc?
copper nacelle
any enemy rando/scenes.rar
leaden socket
ok thanks : - )
flat forum
where-
copper nacelle
gdrive
flat forum
I am a moron is it in pins
lone canopy
okay last joke I'm making before sleeping, probably:
queen can't do basic math
that's a third of a whole
cosmic marsh
lmao
gilded lotus
moved the mod summaries to #archived-modding-help as that seemed to be a more appropriate place with the update, just in case anyone is looking for it
flat forum
so ehre we make mods
royal ridge
ye we're writing up a announcement now
flat forum
modding help is helping others set up their stuff
royal ridge
but dyno now has the same modding commands as zote did
flat forum
and mosding discussion?
leaden hedge
whens creative category 
flat forum
is people screaming about what they did with mods on?
also I'm happy that my complaining about lost people being confused helped bring this
royal ridge
honestly the channel is quite vague, I suppose that can fit in there & mod ideas
leaden hedge
I assume modding help is purely install/user debuging
modding dev is purely dev/dev debuging
discussion is everything else
flat forum
still tho, thanks @royal ridge
royal ridge
server announcement should be up in a sec
leaden hedge
I would assume both
royal ridge
^
ornate rivet
ah ok
jovial vault
oh nice
vagrant leaf
wait since when was this a channel
ornate rivet
since an hour ago
vagrant leaf
interesting
nimble lake
this channel is new
copper nacelle
no
nimble lake
I don't remember it being there before
and yet, my messages are up there
oh wait, this was once #modding-discussion
jovial vault
once upon a time
ornate rivet
@jovial vault
Time to make Pale Godtamer
https://twitter.com/IDA_Hollowdamya/status/1161256534938025984?s=19
ornate rivet
But I suck at making games
ornate rivet
what does it say 
jovial vault
saleh should make a game
ornate rivet
sigh
games take too much motivation and time and if we don't finish it, I will feel depressed about it till the end of time
ornate rivet
but if you do have a neat idea, dm me and maybe we will make a game 
ornate rivet
I'm not doing anymore modded bosses Zaliant smh
jovial vault
only original bosses now 😤
ornate rivet
original*
flat forum
I'm gonna endlessly request help until I get my mod delivered to me code chunk by code chunk in a large collective effort of all the people in this channel and then claim it as my own
jovial vault
isn't that what everyone here who's not modding staff does
jovial vault
also saleh game jams and stuff are things that aren't as big of a time investment + if you have a really cool idea i'd actually be pretty down as long as i can mess around with art style
flat forum
and the rest are Saleh
ornate rivet
hmm
ornate rivet
you instantiate it then you set it's position?
kind of depends on the gameobject though
specially if it has an fsm
flat forum
should I attach a Dialogue box prompt to the object or to a separate invisible box layered on the same place as the object
ornate rivet
is this hk?
ornate rivet
you shouldn't have to attach a dialogue box to anything
ornate rivet
This is how I made a dialogue box
GameObject text = Instantiate(GameObject.Find("DialogueManager"));
var txtfsm = text.LocateMyFSM("Box Open");
txtfsm.SendEvent("BOX UP");
yield return null;
GameManager.instance.playerData.SetBool("disablePause", true);
_target.RelinquishControl();
_target.StopAnimationControl();
_target.gameObject.GetComponent<tk2dSpriteAnimator>().Play("LookUp");
_target.transform.localScale = new Vector2(-1f*Mathf.Abs(_target.transform.localScale.x), _target.transform.localScale.y);
GameObject sec = text.transform.Find("Text").gameObject;
sec.GetComponent<DialogueBox>().StartConversation("testee", "testudo");
yield return new WaitWhile(() => sec.GetComponent<DialogueBox>().currentPage <= 3);
txtfsm.SendEvent("BOX DOWN");
text.SetActive(false);
_target.RegainControl();
GameManager.instance.playerData.SetBool("disablePause", false);
_target.StartAnimationControl();
(_target is the herocontroller go)
copper nacelle
GameManager.instance.playerData.SetBool
ornate rivet
shush
jovial vault
@dark wigeon hey any update on the editor asking for a friend
ornate rivet
If we all chant "nes" in a circle, eventually the editor will be done
jovial vault
saleh just finish it yourself and then we can make a new mod 😤
ornate rivet
Am not advanced enough unfortunately
jovial vault
okay then just ping 56 to incrementally write the code for you
brazen mortar
🐟
floral furnace
cool
ornate rivet
there's an hkworldedit #2 now 56
https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit2
dark wigeon
56 can you code
copper nacelle
i can
winter valley
and this is why https://i.redd.it/sdypo8z8g5g31.png
wtf last message was 'most people don't code' and when I comment it jumps
copper nacelle
yup adding a character and nothing giving NaN really puts people off coding
winter valley
I know right!
dark wigeon
56 you should be cool and help with the level editor
Wait I just realized there is modding development 
ornate rivet
@jovial vault
It appears you can assetbundle scenes too
https://streamable.com/txt0w
the effects change slightly every time I redo it
winter valley
hollow knight gradius?
hot
ornate rivet
ok I got hitboxes to work!!
dark wigeon
@ornate rivet bundle scenes is how the editor works
flat forum
what's this for?
ornate rivet
making a scene in unity and bringing it into hk
copper nacelle
@simple python merged the pr
simple python
oh cool, forgot about that. Thanks!
safe hamlet
np
charred parrot
wait couldnt you make an entire area now?
rip HK sprites, put them in unity, asset bundle magic bla bla new room?
dark wigeon
Bundle scenes from the editor are created from essentially ripping assets at runtime
You could just import a bundle level, but I was hoping to get stuff added like transitions and stuff as well as editing existing scenes to transition into the new ones
The level loader already supports loading from bundle scenes but editor doesn't have an option yet
flat forum
we need sprites
and unless you find somebody in like #art-discussion willing to put themselves through such a torture, I doubt it
and besides, I think the editor can only
edit rooms?
I don't think you can actually stable-ly add new areas yet
dark wigeon
and unless you find somebody in like #art-discussion willing to put themselves through such a torture, I doubt it
We have tk2d extract and asset studio?
fair rampart
dark wigeon
Nah fsm is the best
floral furnace
as long as you dont overuse them right
flat forum
@dark wigeon I mean don't we need an entirely new set of sprites not currently present or available anywhere to anyone, besides maybe TC to make that new area
ornate rivet
smh alek be lurking
ornate rivet
@safe hamlet
Did you ever release the death counter mod you were making?
If not, give the dll smh
copper nacelle
weak lodge
ask draco he'll tell you
jovial vault
and unless you find somebody in like #art-discussion willing to put themselves through such a torture, I doubt it
i have entered the chat
also yes me and saleh are attempting a thing lol
flat forum
why are you using this quote so much
dark wigeon
and unless you find somebody in like #art-discussion willing to put themselves through such a torture, I doubt it
why are you using this quote so much
copper nacelle
hmmm
dark wigeon
also yes me and saleh are attempting a thing lol
Tk2dextract?
Also I didn't realize by "we need sprites" you meant "we need new sprites"
flat forum
flat forum
the fact you called me poopers is annoying me so much more beyond the fact you're using quotes
dark wigeon
You could definitely reuse assets and just make new characters and enemies and stuff
charred parrot
what are you attempting
jovial vault
Dreamscape 2 electric boogaloo
ornate rivet
@leaden hedge
Animations do work with assetbundles btw
All you had to do was go.GetComponent<SpriteRenderer>().material = new Material(Shader.Find("Sprites/Default"));
leaden hedge
oh
ornate rivet
lmao
leaden hedge
unity big brain
leaden hedge
ornate rivet
I will take this as both mods will be released tomorrow
ornate rivet
Can someone explain why this is happening and how to fix it?
https://streamable.com/0qsa4
This is in a new scene. The ground and walls are made of black boxes with BoxCollider2Ds
Maybe @dark wigeon knows?
Double jump doesn't let the player go higher and wall climbing goes crazy
dark wigeon
idk
three possibilities: list with scene names, manager gameobject, or you didnt put the walls on the right layer although it looks like you did
did you check errors too?
ornate rivet
will do
weird
NullReferenceException: Do not create your own module instances, get them from a ParticleSystem instance
at (wrapper managed-to-native) UnityEngine.ParticleSystem/EmissionModule:SetEnabled (UnityEngine.ParticleSystem,bool)
at UnityEngine.ParticleSystem+EmissionModule.set_enabled (Boolean value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at UnityEngine.ParticleSystem.set_enableEmission (Boolean value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at HeroController.CancelWallsliding () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at HeroController.orig_Update () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at HeroController.Update () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Yep figured out the problem. I always forget to check the output_log.txt, thanks for the help 
Apparently deleting a specific particle makes the game go dungo
I dont understand why though
umbral lichen
saleh definitly needs a modding staff role smh
ornate rivet
that's disgusting
leaden hedge
saleh will get modding staff right after angle and lazy 😩
unborn flicker
give Saleh speedrunner 😩
ornate rivet
I want a manly dark blue 😠
unborn flicker
A modder role similar to speedrunner would be cool, not sure if it would be good for anything
leaden hedge
give me yellow name 😔
unborn flicker
Since it seems like the core conflict that happens is people want to be distinguished from white names because of experience/knowledge, but not everyone needs pin powers
idk though
leaden hedge
they'll bully you
ornate rivet
also this should be moved to modding-discussion probably
leaden hedge
I went in lore and they tried to get me muted for having a coloured name 😔
umbral lichen
tf
ornate rivet
not again
weak lodge
look! haramboi!
fair rampart
where's the reference for Modding.Logger?
copper nacelle
Assembly-CSharp
fair rampart
so uh
what's the next step after learning a bit of C# and looking at existing boss mods and understanding little about the code
is a heavy knowledge of unity required and if so, are there any good resources?
copper nacelle
heavy no a bit yes
floral furnace
what are you trying to make jngo, you could branch out from there
fair rampart
something with traitor lord
pale prince seemed like a good reference given the trail and dagger throws so I tried to disect it
unfortunately small brain
copper nacelle
I mean if there's anything in particular you want explained I can do that
Generally unity docs are also pretty okay
fair rampart
it's more of a general misunderstanding
I suppose I should just further improve my unity/c# knowledge
floral furnace
youve already made a minimod right
fair rampart
lol no
fair rampart
ok I'll mod soul warrior since he's smaller than traitor lord
I'll take a look at the example mods
copper nacelle
fair rampart
so dnSpy rips the actual source code?
fair rampart
mhm
copper nacelle
C# stores things as bytecode unlike some other languages
So what dnSpy does is it tries to reverse byte code => source code
but stuff gets messed up
Compiler optimizations happen
Local variable names aren't saved
etc
So it's as close to real source code as we'll get but it's not exactly what tc wrote
fair rampart
hmm, can't even get ExampleMod1 working
unborn flicker
^
rain cedar
Don't think wyza tested them
fair rampart
rain cedar
It's probably only missing an "UPDATE NAIL DAMAGE" event
fair rampart
are they a good reference though?
umbral lichen
just realized that i have enough knowledge to make a mod
shitpost mod here i come
fair rampart
Ok, quick question. If I were to use unity, and "Create" a few rooms, would it be possible to tie them into dreamnailing NPCs? Ex: Using a finished version of the cut hornet bench room, give the player a 10% chance of entering said room when dreamnailing hornet at temple of the black egg. Also, kinda piggybacking off that idea, is it possible to bring back the level data from the cut areas from the older version of the game, or is that not allowed/possible?
I guess what I'm trying to do is bring a form of dream diving into the game, but use a percentage based chance of entering area, and use custom rooms/levels
fair rampart
Instead of sitting on my ass and being useless, I decided to look into it myself. I think the dream nail to enter a room would be possible through hooks, but I didn't see anything on getting a percent base of running the "my code" part. As for the second half, all related menus simply say TODO, so I have no idea what's possible there. Any help would be appreciated!
I assume that adding a new room wouldn't be impossible, as I plan on only using in game assets, and possibly cut content if it's possible to bring those assets into present game. It should only be a matter of creating the room, packing it into a levelXX file and using it in the hook, but, I'm a noob when it comes to this and I really don't know.
leaden hedge
wait for the level editor to work well
fair rampart
Can you not just edit a level through unity?
leaden hedge
yeah that works fine
assetbundles can't bundle code though
so you have to manually add every single behaviour
copper nacelle
buoyant obsidian
Someone in the Risk of Rain discord made an API sort of thing to get around that
leaden hedge
thats what the level editor would do I assume
buoyant obsidian
also as long as you're using scripts that are originally from HK it should work straight up I thought
leaden hedge
no link
it doesn't magically know your healthmanager is the same as the games
afaik
buoyant obsidian
could be wrong haven't looked into it too much
dark wigeon
assetbundles can't bundle code though I haven't tried but can't you just include a text script like the editor does?
it might take the type tree
and you can definitely reference a script from a bundle from a modded dll
dark wigeon
753 you didn't even try
buoyant obsidian
Text script meaning a monobehaviour right?
dark wigeon
Monoscript
There's a field that accepts a string of c# code rather than an assembly/namespace/class name
I'm not sure if a build would accept a typetree change
Also if lazy just make mod read from textasset and execute ez
buoyant obsidian
I have no clue what a typetree change is but I used
GameObject.Find("shrine of chance").AddComponent<ChanceShrine>();
GameObject.Find("shrine of order").AddComponent<OrderShrine>();
instead of
public class ChanceShrine : MonoBehaviour
{
void Awake()
{
if (NetworkServer.active)
{
// blah blah blah
}
UnityEngine.Component.DestroyImmediate(this);
}
}
for my Risk of Rain mod
since when I tried just slapping the script on it didn't work
dark wigeon
Typetree tells unity how the asset is serialized
buoyant obsidian
is this not a monoscript
dark wigeon
That works too but I feel like you could just make your mod, import the dll into your unity project, and bundle using the mb from there
Yes that's a monoscript and when it's a component it's a monobehaviour although "newbehaviour" is a little silly
As long as the hash matches I don't see why it wouldn't work
umbral lichen
to make a mod
i just create a unity script write references in it for example SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN change the value , and then done
wait where do i put the script to
floral furnace
you have to compile it into a dll
umbral lichen
how so
floral furnace
at the start you chose Class Library (.NET Framework) right?
when creating a new project i mean
umbral lichen
yes
cant i just get a script from unity?
that d work too
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/327461802311155714/612538187478204427/unknown.png like this
floral furnace
well if youre using the ModdingAPI youll need it to be a dll file before you drop it in the mods folder
umbral lichen
if i dont
floral furnace
well then i have no idea how to make mods without using the API
umbral lichen
how do i donwload the apı without the mod installer
umbral lichen
thank
floral furnace
tho you could like, use the installer, install it from there and it should be the same afaik
fair rampart
wait
umbral lichen
sure
fair rampart
can you use class library (.NET Core)?
floral furnace
was doing something
im not sure jngo but i could be wrong with the framework since its been a while since i created a new proj, but i think they should do the same
and no you dont rename it
once you finish your mod, you press the build option
once it finishes building if you go the the project folder, go to "bin" folder, then "debug" folder, your mod should be in it in the form of a dll
ornate rivet
imagine not making it automatically output to the mods folder
floral furnace
i never bothered changing my output path ok
and yes, i copy paste it, everytime, every single goddamn time, when i make a small change
ornate rivet
wtf
floral furnace
dunno it fancies me more, a weird thing i know
ornate rivet
put this in your .csproj file
<Target Name="PostBuild" AfterTargets="PostBuildEvent">
<Exec Command="@echo on" />
<Exec Command="echo Copying mod" />
<Exec Command="copy "$(TargetPath)" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods\"" />
</Target>
change the path if it's different
floral furnace
couldnt you just configure it directly in vs studio
ornate rivet
yea
I dont remember how though. I have a template project setup so it does all this automatically everytime I make a new mod
floral furnace
im reading some stuff online but im not seeing stuff about it specifically sending the dll itself only, not the entire contents of it
eh doesnt matter ill just slap that shit in the csproj
ornate rivet
using DnSpy's debugging feature takes too long to setup
otherwise it would actually be kind of useful rn
copper nacelle
It also kills the game
umbral lichen
correct
blissful ibex
pls make recolor for wings (make them dark) plssssssssssssss
copper nacelle
gilded lotus
But my dark wings
dark wigeon
@echo on
😂 😂
ornate rivet
@jovial vault
https://youtu.be/eH9lYO7ak6I
Getting the knight to work with horizontal gravity will be a big pain
I hate herocontroller
jovial vault
Okay just hand over your soul
ornate rivet
btw why does unity hate 2d so much? The assetbundle issue where sprite textures dont move over from Unity to HK doesn't happen with 3d stuff
jovial vault
solution: stop modding hk and make a game
ornate rivet
ew
jovial vault
Saleh 😳
umbral lichen
solution : leak into tcs office and steal hollow knight unity project
make the mod , build it
ornate rivet
no the solution is just
i.GetComponent<SpriteRenderer>().material = new Material(Shader.Find("Sprites/Default"));
still makes no sense why though
umbral lichen
understandable
jovial vault
Relatable
umbral lichen
what is i
ornate rivet
a go
umbral lichen
hm
jovial vault
Also do you have any specific sub locations/story behind the area for me to work off of rn or no
safe hamlet
saleh, tell mino to draw it
jovial vault
Friendship ended with sid now saleh is my friend
safe hamlet
please
jovial vault
Nvm saleh aint it either
safe hamlet
imagine asking nicely
jovial vault
I am in bed
safe hamlet
yhtsi
jovial vault
I will not get out of bed at 2 am just to draw a tentacle forest for my depraved friends
ornate rivet
mino we should probably figure out how the player enters the area
jovial vault
Yes just coding hackerman that away
By which i mean bother 56
ornate rivet
something like: once grimm troupe dlc ends, the player can go and dreamnail the weird thingy in howling cliffs
idk what the starting area would be, but the first stop should definitely be a carnival town
jovial vault
This makes sense
Oh hell yeah
what would the boss look like tho
Bunch of grimmkins and stuff stitched together?
ornate rivet
one day
jovial vault
tbh we could just do an entirely original platforming thing instead of basing it off off hk like the abyss expansion idea, i feel like its be easier for both of us
I mean we are discussing conceptual development for mods
unborn flicker
I think either channel would be fine, right?
ornate rivet
okie cool
unborn flicker
I was going to say, it would be cool to add room packs to room rando some day
umbral lichen
i already do smt similiar to that mino
ornate rivet
mino wdym by that
umbral lichen
moth storyy
jovial vault
Yeah that would be pretty cool
ornate rivet
like not make it a mod?
jovial vault
What im saying is: maybe a small original game thing if messing around with TCs code is too much of a headache for you
umbral lichen
yes just do what i do
jovial vault
But keep it somewhat mechanically similar
It doesnt affect me much either way
and we still have to figure out the current mod
jovial vault
Eh id have to do that anyways
ornate rivet
hmm I dunno tbh
I think sticking to hk would be easier in terms of polish
umbral lichen
no actually
ornate rivet
then again we are making an entirely new area
umbral lichen
graig told that he wants fan games
copper nacelle
Did you just set the physics vector for that video saleh
ornate rivet
for the gravity to change, yes
but the knight didn't like that at first
jovial vault
Didnt graig say he doesnt understand why we arent putting our talents to making something original, sugar
umbral lichen
yeah he meant fangames
jovial vault
alright now i sleep, goodbye
ornate rivet
umbral lichen
safe hamlet
gn
umbral lichen
imagine sleeping tho
ornate rivet
fixing herocontroller's jump, jump release, djump, and other stuff is fine with hooks correct?
or is there a better way?
copper nacelle
That's the only way I can think of
I was trying to do a mod like that a while back
The raycasts are all fucked
ornate rivet
yea hk areas aren't meant to be played upside down
it works when you're making new areas though
umbral lichen
so you know maybe ask him ?
ornate rivet
that has nothing to do with what I'm doing
ornate rivet
- I dont want to flip hk levels
- I'm only flipping the knight
weak lodge
flipping hell mate 😔
fair rampart
what does FsmUtil.cs do?
ornate rivet
adds some fsm extensions probably
The one I have adds an AddTransition method, idk if that's the one you have too
fair rampart
yeah
56 added a whole bunch of new methods on top of KT's
I see that they're used in Prince.cs which seems to be where most of the logic is
copper nacelle
yes
fair rampart
turns out I actually don't have much C# knowledge so I have a ways to go
had to teach myself generics and property setters/getters 
dunno if you guys have any other features of the language to learn that might be useful?
copper nacelle
events
fair rampart
ok
floral furnace
reflection
:ech:
fair rampart
anything from unity?
floral furnace
coroutines
copper nacelle
components
fair rampart
thanks all
fair rampart
why does PP start at phase 3 when I build it
fair rampart
ah
copper nacelle
kind of a pain to do 2k damage every time you want to test something
fair rampart
true
fair rampart
what was your process for finding the FSMs and events in PV for PP with dnSpy and FSMView?
copper nacelle
Like FSM events?
The FSMs affecting the boss itself are almost always components on the boss
The rare exception is like mantis lords
where you have an fsm on each entity but also an fsm on the battle go
You just open the scene and look under the entity name
FSM Events are done via SendEvent or by finishing all the actions in the state
And you can see what states respond to what events by what events are underneath that state in the viewer
fair rampart
in the case of TL would the entity be "Mantis Traitor Lord-Mantis"?
copper nacelle
😤
You can see the names of each enemy go in like debug mod
under the enemies panel
fair rampart
yeah
copper nacelle
But bosses are fairly often the only thing in their scene or their names are obvious
so you usually don't have to check
but like pale lurker is Pale Lurker
two spaces
fair rampart
leaden hedge
fix it 56 pls
leaden hedge
nice
ornate rivet
fun times
Does HeroController control pogoing and upslashing recoil?
I only see horizontal recoil stuff in it
umbral lichen
probably but not sure
fair rampart
wait there is knockback from slashing upward?
umbral lichen
yes
fair rampart
I was fucking right
umbral lichen
fair rampart
fuck you grover
umbral lichen
@glacial panther